WEBVTT - Democrats At Fault 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.680 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:19.880 Me your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Bunker, Folks. 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:25.480 On today's show, I'm speaking with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel, 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.920 as I do every Wednesday, and I got to tell 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:36.440 you that I felt with today's show that it just 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:41.000 feels heavy. You know, the moment that we are in 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:46.120 and experiencing and living through just feels heavy. And I 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:52.360 know that you will feel the tone that Jonathan and 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:56.480 I have on the show as we unpack the latest 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:01.640 decision coming from a federal judge another their Trump appointee, 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:05.040 and there will be many, right because here's the thing, 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:11.240 what I say in conversation with Jonathan is the fact 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:20.240 that we cannot just have conversations about how horrible Republicans are, 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:27.280 how disgusting, distrustful, immoral Republicans are. We are in this 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:31.240 predicament where we are seeing the power of the bench, 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.640 the power of the courts, the power of federal judges 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:40.640 who have no courtroom experience, no trial experience, but just 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:42.600 by virtue of being in the right place at the 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:47.199 right time with the right fucking president, and the mindset 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:52.280 of power over everything else being appointed into positions to 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:58.520 up end, up end rules, up end regulations that are 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:00.920 meant to keep us all safe. Thing that I keep 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:08.320 thinking to myself is Democrats are at fault. Never, not 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.680 one time during any election, whether it is mid term 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:20.160 elections or presidential have I ever heard a candidate discuss 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.520 the importance of the courts unless it is a question 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.359 that is posed in the midst of a debate. Do 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:32.800 I ever see even the strategy around what it means 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:38.040 to own the courts, Because it's where all of our 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:45.240 fucking rights have come from. When you think about school integration, 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:51.120 when you think about abortion, marriage equality, these are just 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:56.440 things that have happened in recent years. All of those 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:01.520 decisions came from the courts. They didn't come from compromise 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:05.920 or collaboration with Republicans to create policy that then the 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:11.200 president would pass. No, if you think about the major 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:16.000 ways in which we have increased and expanded equity in 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:21.120 this country, it has come solely solely from the courts. 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.919 So why is it then that Mitch McConnell knew that 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.880 he knew that through the entirety of the Obama administration, 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.799 I'm going to ensure that this black man, the nation's 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.960 first black president doesn't get a Supreme Court justice and 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.400 doesn't have the ability to fill as many seats as 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:43.040 possible because he's going to remake this country in the 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.240 image of the Democratic Party, and I don't want that. 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:52.800 And instead, instead of Democrats being able to use Mitch 0:03:52.880 --> 0:04:00.640 McConnell's aggression against progress, to use his embrace of white 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:07.240 supremacy and patriarchy as a rallying cry and an opportunity 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.920 to talk about the importance of the courts and why 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:16.920 it matters who you are voting for right in your 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:22.280 congressional districts. For president, it matters because these are the 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.280 people that are sitting on the bench that are going 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.159 to be deciding whether or not Republicans are able to 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.560 jerrymander the fuck out of a district, whether or not 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.240 a woman and a person with a uterus is going 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:38.440 to be able to access an abortion, whether or not 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.200 your child is going to be able to participate in 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:48.360 a sport that matches their gender identity, whether or not 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.360 they're going to be able to go to school and 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:59.440 learn about the diversity of this country and what truly 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:04.560 makes us great without the fear of persecution of their teachers, 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:09.640 their administration. All of these decisions are coming down to 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:14.560 the courts. Mitch McConnell knew this, Donald Trump knew this. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:19.320 Why didn't Democrats? So it's not enough for me to 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.960 sit here on this show day in and day out 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.520 and admonish right and try to shame a shameless group 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:31.520 of people. The reality is is that Democrats drop the 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:37.680 fucking ball. That's why we're here because we always believe 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.320 there is another election to be had, and I'm here 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.479 to tell you there isn't. The clock has run out 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:48.240 on our democracy and it isn't just about midterms coming 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.720 up in seven months. It's about what is happening in 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.280 two months in June when the Supreme Court makes their 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:59.480 final decisions on some of the most important cases to 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:01.760 be in front of the Supreme Court. A six to 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:06.599 three Supreme Court thanks to Democrats' inability to fight for 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.960 the seat that Merritt Garland should have right now because 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.720 he's sure it's function be in anybody's Department of Justice. 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:19.560 But that's a story for another day. He needed to 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:24.200 be on the bench because at least then we would 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.080 have a five four with the possibility of a swing. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.720 Now we know where things are going, these decisions that 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:35.119 are coming down in June our formality, do we really 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.720 think that we're going to continue with Roe v. Wade. No, 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.719 and all of the red states that are putting in 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:45.480 place their precursor to Roe v. Wade being rolled back. 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.560 They know they've been chomping at the bid for forty 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:53.880 years for the moment to be able to put women 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:58.640 and people with uterus is chained in the house, locked 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.000 in a life that they can't find a way out of, 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.000 because we sure less fucking I'm not going to have 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.000 a government that is going to be run by Republicans 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.840 that's going to give a shit about your kids. They 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.160 care about control. And what Jonathan and I will talk 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:21.040 about today isn't just about power. It's also about the 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.560 power to punish. This is a thing that has come 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:29.040 up for me as of late. It isn't power just 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.520 for the sake of power. It is power so that 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:39.360 you can punish, punish marginalized people for even believing for 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:45.960 a moment that they are deserving for equity and for justice. 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:52.480 These abortion bills that are rolling out across the country, 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:56.400 they are about punishing women and people with uterses because 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.960 you see It's not enough to just say abortion can 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.400 only happen in the case of this, this, and this. No, 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:09.400 it is now about criminalizing, about throwing people in jail 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:15.880 for having the audacity to control the outcomes of their lives. 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.800 It isn't just enough to say that, oh, we don't 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.400 want to teach critical race theory. No, it is about 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:34.319 completely whitewashing and returning us back to pre nineteen fifties America, 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:40.160 where our schools are not integrated, where our curriculums are 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.440 completely whitewashed, where we're going to go back to a 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:47.160 place where we have prayer in school. Now you can 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.400 bring that case and say, oh, we're supposed to have 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.720 separation between church and state, And how you think that's 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:57.560 gonna land. With the other Trump appointed federal judges that 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.520 are sitting in lifetime fucking appointments at thirty something years old. 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.720 We're waiting on mid terms to tell us that democracy 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.480 is done. And I'm telling you it's been done, just 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.839 like in my conversation a couple of weeks ago with 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:17.319 Danielle Campamore and her saying we're talking about the fall 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.400 of rov Wade, as if that hasn't happened in places 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:28.800 like Mississippi, Texas, Alabama, and now more recently Florida, Utah. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.960 You have a handful of Democratic governors who are going 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.960 to be overrun. But that's only overrun with people that 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:41.840 can afford to make it to those states. Because for 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.920 those that are in poverty, that are in low wage jobs, 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:53.080 that are hourly wage workers, what are their options going 0:09:53.120 --> 0:10:05.760 to be? Folks? We are in a terrible place. And 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.360 for years I've been saying on this show, since it began, 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.079 that I believe that things in this country are going 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.040 to get bloodier before they get better. You can take 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.640 that anyway that you want, but what I recognize is 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:22.400 that we are not members of a party that are 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.840 willing to do the hard work. They want to wave 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.959 a finger, they want to try and shame the shameless. 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.800 They want to talk about morality for people that have 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.400 long since given up their values. How are you going 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.680 to talk to people about morality when they have turned 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.600 Donald Trump, a man that has been married multiple times, 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.840 has multiple sexual assault and harassment cases against him, that 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.679 bragged about grabbing a woman by a pussy, that is 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.679 a racist, and has talked about shiitthold countries. How are 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:58.679 you going to appeal to their moral fiber. You're not. 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:05.480 So why are we pretending? Why are we pretending that 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.720 our democracy is still intact when it's not. The Trumps 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.920 know it, the mcconnells know it, the McCarthy's know it. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.360 I think that change is really hard, right, That's what 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.199 we know to be true. That's what we've seen over 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.880 the last two years. As nimble as we would like 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:30.000 to think of ourselves, we're really not. We're creatures of 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:35.640 habit and so it's really hard and jarring to say 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:40.120 to the American public, you've lost your democracy. That's not 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:44.400 what we're living in now. We're living in some form 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:51.079 of a kleptocracy, a loose democracy, or, as was stated 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:59.199 for the first time, a regressive democracy. We all wanted 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:04.000 to believe that a democratic win in twenty twenty was 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.720 somehow going to save us. And what we have all 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.880 realized and known to be true now is that I 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.679 feel worse. I got to tell you. At least with Trump, 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.440 every day was a nightmare. But I knew why, and 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:23.280 I knew it was because Republicans were in control of everything. 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.120 So I had worked up in my mind that once 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:30.600 Democrats took the gavel and took back the Oval office 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:36.720 that sanity would return. I had no idea, honestly, how 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:41.480 fucking deep the Trump disease would be, and that it 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:48.680 has spread just as fast, just as voracious as COVID. 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:54.520 You got people now like cheering and throwing up their 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.760 mass on airplanes because they think that somehow this is 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:01.160 a fucking win. When all you have to do is 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.240 look at what is happening in the UK, what is 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.920 happening around the world with these latest strains, and know 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:11.240 that we are careening towards disaster in so many fucking ways. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:16.920 It's hard to keep your head straight. It's on a swivel. 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:23.280 I pose this question yesterday on Twitter, and I'm going 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.520 to pose it to all of you right now, and again, 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.959 I encourage you in the comments section, even if you've 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:35.280 never commented before, please consider answering this question. What do 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:39.240 you think is wrong with America right now? And can 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:43.280 it be fixed? Because that's the thing is that we 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:50.560 all realize that something is incredibly wrong. We have this 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:56.679 feeling that sits with us right it's become this residue 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.160 that you're just trying to scrub away. I feel like 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.839 Macbeth and I'm just out, damn spot out, Get rid me, 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:09.000 Rid me of this residue, rid me of this continued 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:16.000 perpetual fear and anxiety and stress. So here are some 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:24.600 of the responses that people have posted. First person Wayne 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:30.880 Glapion tweeted, the majority is unwilling to fight, minority unwilling 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:35.320 to relinquish benefits based on racist policies. Solution will be 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:39.240 decided by who is more determined to educate, organize, and 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:46.120 implement a proactive effort to obtain their vision of America. 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:52.080 The Honorable Arliss Green tweeted, in my opinion, the problems 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.920 that we're facing today are rooted in the absolute moral 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:59.160 corruption of religious leaders in the US. The MAGA crowd 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:04.680 genuinely leaves that their hatefulness is righteousness. Many religious leaders 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:13.280 teach politics on Sundays. Now the Bible warned us. Jennifer 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.640 Coleman says, extremism on the right and the left politically 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:20.479 and culturally, Americans are moving farther away from each other culturally. 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.360 I do not know how we can fix that. Any 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:31.920 ideas selfishness, ignorance, says cynical army wife, and hate masquerading 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:37.080 as patriotism, sophistication, and values. I'm afraid our system will 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.440 have to collapse before we wake up and build a 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:48.520 decent society. And here's another one. I really thought that 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.440 things would be so much markedly better under this administration. 0:15:53.080 --> 0:16:03.840 I'm so disillusioned. It's really hard right now for us 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.880 to imagine things getting worse. But my fear is that 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.840 we haven't even hit the tip of the iceberg yet. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:17.600 America is the Titanic. Is it impossible to turn things 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:21.600 around that we see coming literally a mile away? No, 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.360 but it's going to take a lot of collective action 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.520 in order to turn things around. And I don't know 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:32.040 if there is the will. I don't know if it is. 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:37.720 If they're right, will we need to experience collapse and 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:41.720 complete in total devastation for people to realize what it 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.640 was that we had. But at that point, how many 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:52.840 democracies that collapse are able to rebuild within our lifetimes? 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.440 I don't know. But coming up next my conversation with 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.960 our good friend doctor Jonathan Metzel to unpack where we 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:07.560 are with the latest COVID numbers, mass mandates thrown out 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:12.520 the window, and just genuinely with our democracy. But in 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:17.840 the comments section of this episode. My question stands, what 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.840 do you think is wrong with America? And can it 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:27.360 be fixed? Friends? You know that when it is Wednesday, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.040 we have our in house doctor, which apparently we are 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:34.520 all going to need soon, doctor Jonathan Metzel joining us 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:41.040 on Woke f Jonathan this week. Judge out of Florida, 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:46.360 Judge Mizzelle, a Trump appointee who the American Bar Association 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:50.280 said was unqualified to be a federal judge, who has 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:56.159 never tried a case, just overturned the federal government and 0:17:56.200 --> 0:18:03.680 the CDC's ability to institute mass mandates on public transportation. 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:09.080 So this includes railways, this includes planes. When the news broke, 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.440 I saw it, I saw it on Twitter. I saw 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.560 a video as well that I wasn't sure if the 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:19.320 video was real, and it was people aboard a plane 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.960 apparently an announcement from the flight deck that said that 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.040 the mass mandate was over, and the people on board 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.720 ripped off their masks and started cheering. You would have 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.119 thought that they said, COVID is finished, and you know, 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:37.480 it's no longer a pandemic, it's not killing two thousand 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.960 people a day, and you know, life as we once 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.360 knew it, can resume, but that's not what happened. Jonathan, 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:51.840 what was your reaction from the decision by trumper Judge 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.879 Mizzelle And if you did see that video, what was 0:18:55.920 --> 0:19:01.240 your reaction from that. I think the whole science of 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.320 public health depends on kind of getting people to work 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.640 collectively to do things that may or may not be 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.360 what they would choose to do individually. Right. I mean, 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.439 it's pleasant to smoke. It's probably pleasant to smoke in 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.879 a restaurant if you're a smoker, but you don't smoke 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.320 because second hand smoke can be bad for other people. 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.560 And so it's not just about your freedom, it's about 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:26.160 other people's health implications. People probably in the beginning, as 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.080 we know, didn't want to wear seatbelts. It's kind of 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.160 a pain in the butt to have to strap something 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.280 around yourself. I'd rather just drive down the road free 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.040 and easy in that kind of thing. Bike helmet, you know, 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.520 motorcycle helmets, all this kind of thing. So, in a way, 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.919 the whole idea of public health is we define what 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.320 we have as a society or a civilization, and then 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:49.960 we make rules that collectively not just protect communal health, 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.560 but they also lessen the load on this system, right 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:58.040 the financial system, the cost the healthcare system, and that's 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:02.520 kind of what is underneath a lot of the pandemic 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.679 era stuff that basically, it's like, you know, we're going 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.119 to make some decisions that some people like and some 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.439 people don't like, but we're looking at kind of the 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:13.280 system itself. You have, so you have to be able 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.240 to imagine the system, and certainly that's been the case 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.840 with the transit decision. People can take off their mask 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.320 wherever they want at home and daily pretty much everywhere 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:27.040 in daily life right now, but when you're locked on 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.640 a plane with people, and especially right now because this 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:32.840 shiite is getting pretty bad again right now, and it's 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.760 going to get a lot worse, you know, the timing, 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.680 you know, So there's a balance here, right, There's always 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:42.800 a balance. And for anybody who flies on a plane. 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.080 I fly every week, there are a lot of people 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:46.480 on the flight who don't want to have to wear 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:47.680 a mask, and there are a lot of people who 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.320 feel like they're safe wearing a mask and stuff like that. 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.160 I always thought like, I don't want to force anybody 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:55.159 to do anything that want to do, but also I 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:56.640 don't want a bunch of COVID in the air when 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.399 I'm on the plane. So I wish we could just 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.879 have pro code COVID fights and anti COVID flights and 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.000 you could just kind of decide which airplane you want 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:05.919 to get on. But that's not the system we're in. 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:10.640 So part of the story I thought was just kind 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:12.480 of the death of the idea that we can kind 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:16.240 of work collectively, not just about it's not about individual liberty. 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:19.280 It's like, if everybody gets COVID now, our healthcare system 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:21.840 is going to collapse. And so is that something you 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:25.040 want or not? So that's part of it. That's point 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.320 number one. Point number two again is the timing is 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:31.160 horrible because if you look what's happening in the UK 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.879 right now, for example, they're they're almost at bed maximum. 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.119 They've been they've been doing kind of the same. You know, 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.400 everybody you don't have to wear pants if you don't 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:43.080 want to or whatever, and their system is falling apart. 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.800 You're at risk of it because the new variants are 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:49.760 you know, it's not just infections that are going up, 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.280 hospitalizations are going up. And so I think there's some 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:54.720 pretty serious COVID coming down the Pike here, So it's 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.520 not a great time for this kind of thing. And 0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:59.800 I guess the third point is something we've talked about 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:05.760 all year here, which is about the power of the judiciary. 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:07.920 In other words, if you can I mean, this judge 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.680 is a thirty three year old appointee, a lifetime appointment 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:15.280 to a federal judge ship who, as you say, not 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.560 only has never had never heard a case and therefore 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:21.160 was deemed unacceptable by the ABA, but also in this 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:23.520 case didn't hear the case right. There was no hearing 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:26.080 in front of the judge. There was a hearing that 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:28.560 was supposed to be next week, but the judge said, 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:29.800 I don't even need to hear it. I know what 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.080 my opinion is, and I'm ripping this up. And so 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:34.760 the power of the judiciary, I mean, this is kind 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.560 of what the Republicans figured out ten years ago, and 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:41.440 the Democrats were too busy fighting about random crap. The 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:45.440 Republicans realized and the Federal Society and all these guys 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:47.760 that you can circumvent the will of the people if 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:52.639 you control the judiciary and the Democrats. I mean, you 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.080 and I talked about it from I mean, we talked 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.960 about it every single week, but the past three years 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.440 that the Democrats are fighting about stuff that is much 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.280 more flash in the pan kind of stuff. But if 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:07.879 you don't, if you don't control the judiciary, you're it 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:10.399 doesn't matter, right. And this is the first of many 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.640 such examples that are about to come down the pike 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:16.440 of the ways in which if you control the judiciary, 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:18.960 it doesn't really matter what your local laws are. And 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:22.480 that's probably even more terrifying, I think, one of the things. 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:25.600 And and I want to stay with the point that 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.560 you just made with regard to you can circumvent the 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.320 will of the people if you own the courts, right. 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:36.080 And I want to also lift up what don Trump 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:39.520 Junior said in his text messages to Mark Meadows, which 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:42.480 was we own all the paths to power, right, so 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:46.400 just make it happen my father's second term starts now. 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:50.440 They are a party that does not believe in democracy. 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:55.080 And I think that we as Democrats, and particularly the 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:57.880 Democrats that are part of the establishment, the ones that 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.800 are making, you know, the policy sees, and the ones 0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:04.560 that have the ability to take Republicans head on and 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:07.800 not just in the twitter sphere right like you know, 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.239 or on television like you and I do, but like 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:15.840 have the ability to take them on. Are complicit, Jonathan 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.080 in what is happening? We can't you know? And this 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:22.399 is this is what really frustrates me, is that I 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:26.439 can't just look at what Democrat, at what Republicans have 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:33.840 done to undermine our judiciary, to undermine our democracy, and 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:39.440 hold them solely to blame, because you needed a week 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:43.560 and naive Democratic party in order for this to happen, 0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:47.159 and a fractured one and a fractured one right in 0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:51.480 order for this to happen, because if Democrats had been 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:56.679 as united and remained as united during the Trump years 0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:01.359 and now right recognizing what it is to be true 0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:07.360 that these people right no longer hold our democracy as 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:12.400 a shared value, They no longer hold our Constitution as 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:16.879 a shared doctrine that is a living, breathing document that 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:21.160 is about the expansion of what the Framers believed, right, 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:26.000 And so if you understand that to be true, then 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:31.240 the moves that you would make right would match what 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.480 you know. But what we see and what we've seen 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:37.800 over the last you know, a couple of years, particularly 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:42.680 since Biden, you know, came into office, is this desire 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:49.320 for a political nostalgia that no longer exists, right, this camaraderie, 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:53.760 this collaboration for the betterment of the country. And so 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:58.520 it's that naivete that is really going to be is 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:02.040 the death of the Republic. Because yesterday, when I'm watching 0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.920 as these people are ripping off their masks and cheering 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:09.600 on this enclosed germ flying germ machine. Which is what 0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:12.800 I've always said about planes, Right, there has never been 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:16.720 a time that I have traveled until COVID while wearing 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:20.720 a mask that I didn't end up getting sick. Right, 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:23.040 That's just virtue of being on a plane in my 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:26.959 immune system doesn't love it, right, and I would always 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:30.360 get sick. And so you see these people, and I'm 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:34.120 just like, I don't even believe, Jonathan, to be honest 0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:36.919 that if we had this all to do over again, 0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:40.720 and Donald Trump hadn't been president and it had been hilary, like, 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:43.120 if all of these things had been true, I honestly 0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:47.600 don't believe that two plus years in people wouldn't be 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:50.240 where they are right now. I gotta I gotta be honest. 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:54.159 I think that the American people have not only a 0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:58.040 very small memory, but a very short memory but I 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:02.720 also believe that they have a very small appetite for 0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:07.879 being dictated to right. And so it's not that I 0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:11.600 believe that we wouldn't be in this place of just 0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:18.880 exhaustion as it pertains to the pandemic. But it's just 0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:22.520 like I want Democrats to have taken responsibility for the 0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:24.679 fact that we wouldn't be in this situation with the 0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:29.320 courts if they had paid attention for the last ten years. Well, 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.679 and not only that, I'm going to give you a 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:38.040 very counterintuitive take, right, which is if you study how 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.879 the Republicans like got this power, they had to make 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.600 a lot of very uncomfortable deals. I mean, it wasn't 0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.679 like getting in bed with the NRA or the Federalist 0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:51.199 Society or things like that in the beginning. Was you know, 0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:54.520 their goal was power. Their goal was not ideology. The 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:58.760 ideology was power, and so people had to make they 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.280 had to make a lot of uncomfortable deals in in 0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:04.919