1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: Me your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: On today's show, I'm speaking with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel, 4 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: as I do every Wednesday, and I got to tell 5 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: you that I felt with today's show that it just 6 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: feels heavy. You know, the moment that we are in 7 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: and experiencing and living through just feels heavy. And I 8 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: know that you will feel the tone that Jonathan and 9 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I have on the show as we unpack the latest 10 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: decision coming from a federal judge another their Trump appointee, 11 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: and there will be many, right because here's the thing, 12 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: what I say in conversation with Jonathan is the fact 13 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: that we cannot just have conversations about how horrible Republicans are, 14 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: how disgusting, distrustful, immoral Republicans are. We are in this 15 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: predicament where we are seeing the power of the bench, 16 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: the power of the courts, the power of federal judges 17 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: who have no courtroom experience, no trial experience, but just 18 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: by virtue of being in the right place at the 19 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 1: right time with the right fucking president, and the mindset 20 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: of power over everything else being appointed into positions to 21 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: up end, up end rules, up end regulations that are 22 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: meant to keep us all safe. Thing that I keep 23 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: thinking to myself is Democrats are at fault. Never, not 24 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: one time during any election, whether it is mid term 25 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: elections or presidential have I ever heard a candidate discuss 26 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: the importance of the courts unless it is a question 27 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: that is posed in the midst of a debate. Do 28 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: I ever see even the strategy around what it means 29 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: to own the courts, Because it's where all of our 30 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: fucking rights have come from. When you think about school integration, 31 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: when you think about abortion, marriage equality, these are just 32 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: things that have happened in recent years. All of those 33 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: decisions came from the courts. They didn't come from compromise 34 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: or collaboration with Republicans to create policy that then the 35 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: president would pass. No, if you think about the major 36 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: ways in which we have increased and expanded equity in 37 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: this country, it has come solely solely from the courts. 38 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: So why is it then that Mitch McConnell knew that 39 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: he knew that through the entirety of the Obama administration, 40 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: I'm going to ensure that this black man, the nation's 41 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: first black president doesn't get a Supreme Court justice and 42 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: doesn't have the ability to fill as many seats as 43 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: possible because he's going to remake this country in the 44 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: image of the Democratic Party, and I don't want that. 45 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: And instead, instead of Democrats being able to use Mitch 46 00:03:52,880 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: McConnell's aggression against progress, to use his embrace of white 47 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: supremacy and patriarchy as a rallying cry and an opportunity 48 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: to talk about the importance of the courts and why 49 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: it matters who you are voting for right in your 50 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: congressional districts. For president, it matters because these are the 51 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: people that are sitting on the bench that are going 52 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: to be deciding whether or not Republicans are able to 53 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: jerrymander the fuck out of a district, whether or not 54 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: a woman and a person with a uterus is going 55 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: to be able to access an abortion, whether or not 56 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: your child is going to be able to participate in 57 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: a sport that matches their gender identity, whether or not 58 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: they're going to be able to go to school and 59 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: learn about the diversity of this country and what truly 60 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: makes us great without the fear of persecution of their teachers, 61 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: their administration. All of these decisions are coming down to 62 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: the courts. Mitch McConnell knew this, Donald Trump knew this. 63 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: Why didn't Democrats? So it's not enough for me to 64 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: sit here on this show day in and day out 65 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: and admonish right and try to shame a shameless group 66 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: of people. The reality is is that Democrats drop the 67 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: fucking ball. That's why we're here because we always believe 68 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: there is another election to be had, and I'm here 69 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: to tell you there isn't. The clock has run out 70 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: on our democracy and it isn't just about midterms coming 71 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: up in seven months. It's about what is happening in 72 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: two months in June when the Supreme Court makes their 73 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: final decisions on some of the most important cases to 74 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: be in front of the Supreme Court. A six to 75 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: three Supreme Court thanks to Democrats' inability to fight for 76 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: the seat that Merritt Garland should have right now because 77 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: he's sure it's function be in anybody's Department of Justice. 78 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: But that's a story for another day. He needed to 79 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: be on the bench because at least then we would 80 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: have a five four with the possibility of a swing. 81 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: Now we know where things are going, these decisions that 82 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:35,119 Speaker 1: are coming down in June our formality, do we really 83 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: think that we're going to continue with Roe v. Wade. No, 84 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: and all of the red states that are putting in 85 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: place their precursor to Roe v. Wade being rolled back. 86 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: They know they've been chomping at the bid for forty 87 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: years for the moment to be able to put women 88 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: and people with uterus is chained in the house, locked 89 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: in a life that they can't find a way out of, 90 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: because we sure less fucking I'm not going to have 91 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: a government that is going to be run by Republicans 92 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: that's going to give a shit about your kids. They 93 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: care about control. And what Jonathan and I will talk 94 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: about today isn't just about power. It's also about the 95 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: power to punish. This is a thing that has come 96 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: up for me as of late. It isn't power just 97 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: for the sake of power. It is power so that 98 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: you can punish, punish marginalized people for even believing for 99 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: a moment that they are deserving for equity and for justice. 100 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: These abortion bills that are rolling out across the country, 101 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: they are about punishing women and people with uterses because 102 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: you see It's not enough to just say abortion can 103 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: only happen in the case of this, this, and this. No, 104 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: it is now about criminalizing, about throwing people in jail 105 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: for having the audacity to control the outcomes of their lives. 106 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: It isn't just enough to say that, oh, we don't 107 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: want to teach critical race theory. No, it is about 108 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: completely whitewashing and returning us back to pre nineteen fifties America, 109 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: where our schools are not integrated, where our curriculums are 110 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: completely whitewashed, where we're going to go back to a 111 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: place where we have prayer in school. Now you can 112 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: bring that case and say, oh, we're supposed to have 113 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: separation between church and state, And how you think that's 114 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: gonna land. With the other Trump appointed federal judges that 115 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: are sitting in lifetime fucking appointments at thirty something years old. 116 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: We're waiting on mid terms to tell us that democracy 117 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: is done. And I'm telling you it's been done, just 118 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: like in my conversation a couple of weeks ago with 119 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: Danielle Campamore and her saying we're talking about the fall 120 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: of rov Wade, as if that hasn't happened in places 121 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: like Mississippi, Texas, Alabama, and now more recently Florida, Utah. 122 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: You have a handful of Democratic governors who are going 123 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: to be overrun. But that's only overrun with people that 124 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: can afford to make it to those states. Because for 125 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: those that are in poverty, that are in low wage jobs, 126 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: that are hourly wage workers, what are their options going 127 00:09:53,120 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: to be? Folks? We are in a terrible place. And 128 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: for years I've been saying on this show, since it began, 129 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: that I believe that things in this country are going 130 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: to get bloodier before they get better. You can take 131 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: that anyway that you want, but what I recognize is 132 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: that we are not members of a party that are 133 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: willing to do the hard work. They want to wave 134 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: a finger, they want to try and shame the shameless. 135 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: They want to talk about morality for people that have 136 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: long since given up their values. How are you going 137 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: to talk to people about morality when they have turned 138 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, a man that has been married multiple times, 139 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: has multiple sexual assault and harassment cases against him, that 140 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: bragged about grabbing a woman by a pussy, that is 141 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: a racist, and has talked about shiitthold countries. How are 142 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: you going to appeal to their moral fiber. You're not. 143 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: So why are we pretending? Why are we pretending that 144 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: our democracy is still intact when it's not. The Trumps 145 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: know it, the mcconnells know it, the McCarthy's know it. 146 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: I think that change is really hard, right, That's what 147 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: we know to be true. That's what we've seen over 148 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: the last two years. As nimble as we would like 149 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: to think of ourselves, we're really not. We're creatures of 150 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: habit and so it's really hard and jarring to say 151 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: to the American public, you've lost your democracy. That's not 152 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: what we're living in now. We're living in some form 153 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: of a kleptocracy, a loose democracy, or, as was stated 154 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: for the first time, a regressive democracy. We all wanted 155 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: to believe that a democratic win in twenty twenty was 156 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: somehow going to save us. And what we have all 157 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: realized and known to be true now is that I 158 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: feel worse. I got to tell you. At least with Trump, 159 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: every day was a nightmare. But I knew why, and 160 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: I knew it was because Republicans were in control of everything. 161 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: So I had worked up in my mind that once 162 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: Democrats took the gavel and took back the Oval office 163 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: that sanity would return. I had no idea, honestly, how 164 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: fucking deep the Trump disease would be, and that it 165 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: has spread just as fast, just as voracious as COVID. 166 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: You got people now like cheering and throwing up their 167 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: mass on airplanes because they think that somehow this is 168 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: a fucking win. When all you have to do is 169 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: look at what is happening in the UK, what is 170 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: happening around the world with these latest strains, and know 171 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: that we are careening towards disaster in so many fucking ways. 172 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: It's hard to keep your head straight. It's on a swivel. 173 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: I pose this question yesterday on Twitter, and I'm going 174 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: to pose it to all of you right now, and again, 175 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: I encourage you in the comments section, even if you've 176 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: never commented before, please consider answering this question. What do 177 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: you think is wrong with America right now? And can 178 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: it be fixed? Because that's the thing is that we 179 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: all realize that something is incredibly wrong. We have this 180 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: feeling that sits with us right it's become this residue 181 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: that you're just trying to scrub away. I feel like 182 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: Macbeth and I'm just out, damn spot out, Get rid me, 183 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: Rid me of this residue, rid me of this continued 184 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: perpetual fear and anxiety and stress. So here are some 185 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: of the responses that people have posted. First person Wayne 186 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: Glapion tweeted, the majority is unwilling to fight, minority unwilling 187 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: to relinquish benefits based on racist policies. Solution will be 188 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: decided by who is more determined to educate, organize, and 189 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: implement a proactive effort to obtain their vision of America. 190 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: The Honorable Arliss Green tweeted, in my opinion, the problems 191 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: that we're facing today are rooted in the absolute moral 192 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: corruption of religious leaders in the US. The MAGA crowd 193 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: genuinely leaves that their hatefulness is righteousness. Many religious leaders 194 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: teach politics on Sundays. Now the Bible warned us. Jennifer 195 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: Coleman says, extremism on the right and the left politically 196 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,479 Speaker 1: and culturally, Americans are moving farther away from each other culturally. 197 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: I do not know how we can fix that. Any 198 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: ideas selfishness, ignorance, says cynical army wife, and hate masquerading 199 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: as patriotism, sophistication, and values. I'm afraid our system will 200 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: have to collapse before we wake up and build a 201 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: decent society. And here's another one. I really thought that 202 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: things would be so much markedly better under this administration. 203 00:15:53,080 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm so disillusioned. It's really hard right now for us 204 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: to imagine things getting worse. But my fear is that 205 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: we haven't even hit the tip of the iceberg yet. 206 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: America is the Titanic. Is it impossible to turn things 207 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: around that we see coming literally a mile away? No, 208 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: but it's going to take a lot of collective action 209 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: in order to turn things around. And I don't know 210 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: if there is the will. I don't know if it is. 211 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: If they're right, will we need to experience collapse and 212 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: complete in total devastation for people to realize what it 213 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: was that we had. But at that point, how many 214 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: democracies that collapse are able to rebuild within our lifetimes? 215 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. But coming up next my conversation with 216 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: our good friend doctor Jonathan Metzel to unpack where we 217 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: are with the latest COVID numbers, mass mandates thrown out 218 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: the window, and just genuinely with our democracy. But in 219 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: the comments section of this episode. My question stands, what 220 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: do you think is wrong with America? And can it 221 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: be fixed? Friends? You know that when it is Wednesday, 222 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: we have our in house doctor, which apparently we are 223 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: all going to need soon, doctor Jonathan Metzel joining us 224 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: on Woke f Jonathan this week. Judge out of Florida, 225 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: Judge Mizzelle, a Trump appointee who the American Bar Association 226 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: said was unqualified to be a federal judge, who has 227 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: never tried a case, just overturned the federal government and 228 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: the CDC's ability to institute mass mandates on public transportation. 229 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: So this includes railways, this includes planes. When the news broke, 230 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: I saw it, I saw it on Twitter. I saw 231 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: a video as well that I wasn't sure if the 232 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: video was real, and it was people aboard a plane 233 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: apparently an announcement from the flight deck that said that 234 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: the mass mandate was over, and the people on board 235 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: ripped off their masks and started cheering. You would have 236 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: thought that they said, COVID is finished, and you know, 237 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: it's no longer a pandemic, it's not killing two thousand 238 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: people a day, and you know, life as we once 239 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: knew it, can resume, but that's not what happened. Jonathan, 240 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: what was your reaction from the decision by trumper Judge 241 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: Mizzelle And if you did see that video, what was 242 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: your reaction from that. I think the whole science of 243 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: public health depends on kind of getting people to work 244 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: collectively to do things that may or may not be 245 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: what they would choose to do individually. Right. I mean, 246 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: it's pleasant to smoke. It's probably pleasant to smoke in 247 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: a restaurant if you're a smoker, but you don't smoke 248 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: because second hand smoke can be bad for other people. 249 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: And so it's not just about your freedom, it's about 250 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: other people's health implications. People probably in the beginning, as 251 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: we know, didn't want to wear seatbelts. It's kind of 252 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: a pain in the butt to have to strap something 253 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: around yourself. I'd rather just drive down the road free 254 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: and easy in that kind of thing. Bike helmet, you know, 255 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: motorcycle helmets, all this kind of thing. So, in a way, 256 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: the whole idea of public health is we define what 257 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: we have as a society or a civilization, and then 258 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: we make rules that collectively not just protect communal health, 259 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: but they also lessen the load on this system, right 260 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: the financial system, the cost the healthcare system, and that's 261 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: kind of what is underneath a lot of the pandemic 262 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: era stuff that basically, it's like, you know, we're going 263 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: to make some decisions that some people like and some 264 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: people don't like, but we're looking at kind of the 265 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: system itself. You have, so you have to be able 266 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: to imagine the system, and certainly that's been the case 267 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: with the transit decision. People can take off their mask 268 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: wherever they want at home and daily pretty much everywhere 269 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: in daily life right now, but when you're locked on 270 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: a plane with people, and especially right now because this 271 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: shiite is getting pretty bad again right now, and it's 272 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: going to get a lot worse, you know, the timing, 273 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, So there's a balance here, right, There's always 274 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: a balance. And for anybody who flies on a plane. 275 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: I fly every week, there are a lot of people 276 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: on the flight who don't want to have to wear 277 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: a mask, and there are a lot of people who 278 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: feel like they're safe wearing a mask and stuff like that. 279 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: I always thought like, I don't want to force anybody 280 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: to do anything that want to do, but also I 281 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: don't want a bunch of COVID in the air when 282 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: I'm on the plane. So I wish we could just 283 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: have pro code COVID fights and anti COVID flights and 284 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: you could just kind of decide which airplane you want 285 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: to get on. But that's not the system we're in. 286 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: So part of the story I thought was just kind 287 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: of the death of the idea that we can kind 288 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: of work collectively, not just about it's not about individual liberty. 289 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: It's like, if everybody gets COVID now, our healthcare system 290 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: is going to collapse. And so is that something you 291 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: want or not? So that's part of it. That's point 292 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: number one. Point number two again is the timing is 293 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: horrible because if you look what's happening in the UK 294 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: right now, for example, they're they're almost at bed maximum. 295 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: They've been they've been doing kind of the same. You know, 296 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: everybody you don't have to wear pants if you don't 297 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: want to or whatever, and their system is falling apart. 298 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: You're at risk of it because the new variants are 299 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's not just infections that are going up, 300 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: hospitalizations are going up. And so I think there's some 301 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: pretty serious COVID coming down the Pike here, So it's 302 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: not a great time for this kind of thing. And 303 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: I guess the third point is something we've talked about 304 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: all year here, which is about the power of the judiciary. 305 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: In other words, if you can I mean, this judge 306 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: is a thirty three year old appointee, a lifetime appointment 307 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: to a federal judge ship who, as you say, not 308 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: only has never had never heard a case and therefore 309 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: was deemed unacceptable by the ABA, but also in this 310 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: case didn't hear the case right. There was no hearing 311 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: in front of the judge. There was a hearing that 312 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: was supposed to be next week, but the judge said, 313 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: I don't even need to hear it. I know what 314 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: my opinion is, and I'm ripping this up. And so 315 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: the power of the judiciary, I mean, this is kind 316 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: of what the Republicans figured out ten years ago, and 317 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: the Democrats were too busy fighting about random crap. The 318 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: Republicans realized and the Federal Society and all these guys 319 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: that you can circumvent the will of the people if 320 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: you control the judiciary and the Democrats. I mean, you 321 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: and I talked about it from I mean, we talked 322 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: about it every single week, but the past three years 323 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: that the Democrats are fighting about stuff that is much 324 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: more flash in the pan kind of stuff. But if 325 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: you don't, if you don't control the judiciary, you're it 326 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, right. And this is the first of many 327 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: such examples that are about to come down the pike 328 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: of the ways in which if you control the judiciary, 329 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter what your local laws are. And 330 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: that's probably even more terrifying, I think, one of the things. 331 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: And and I want to stay with the point that 332 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: you just made with regard to you can circumvent the 333 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: will of the people if you own the courts, right. 334 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: And I want to also lift up what don Trump 335 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: Junior said in his text messages to Mark Meadows, which 336 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: was we own all the paths to power, right, so 337 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: just make it happen my father's second term starts now. 338 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: They are a party that does not believe in democracy. 339 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: And I think that we as Democrats, and particularly the 340 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: Democrats that are part of the establishment, the ones that 341 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: are making, you know, the policy sees, and the ones 342 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: that have the ability to take Republicans head on and 343 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: not just in the twitter sphere right like you know, 344 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,239 Speaker 1: or on television like you and I do, but like 345 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: have the ability to take them on. Are complicit, Jonathan 346 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: in what is happening? We can't you know? And this 347 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: is this is what really frustrates me, is that I 348 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: can't just look at what Democrat, at what Republicans have 349 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: done to undermine our judiciary, to undermine our democracy, and 350 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: hold them solely to blame, because you needed a week 351 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: and naive Democratic party in order for this to happen, 352 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: and a fractured one and a fractured one right in 353 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: order for this to happen, because if Democrats had been 354 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: as united and remained as united during the Trump years 355 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: and now right recognizing what it is to be true 356 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: that these people right no longer hold our democracy as 357 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: a shared value, They no longer hold our Constitution as 358 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: a shared doctrine that is a living, breathing document that 359 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: is about the expansion of what the Framers believed, right, 360 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: And so if you understand that to be true, then 361 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: the moves that you would make right would match what 362 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: you know. But what we see and what we've seen 363 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: over the last you know, a couple of years, particularly 364 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: since Biden, you know, came into office, is this desire 365 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: for a political nostalgia that no longer exists, right, this camaraderie, 366 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: this collaboration for the betterment of the country. And so 367 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: it's that naivete that is really going to be is 368 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: the death of the Republic. Because yesterday, when I'm watching 369 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: as these people are ripping off their masks and cheering 370 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: on this enclosed germ flying germ machine. Which is what 371 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: I've always said about planes, Right, there has never been 372 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: a time that I have traveled until COVID while wearing 373 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: a mask that I didn't end up getting sick. Right, 374 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: That's just virtue of being on a plane in my 375 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,959 Speaker 1: immune system doesn't love it, right, and I would always 376 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: get sick. And so you see these people, and I'm 377 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: just like, I don't even believe, Jonathan, to be honest 378 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: that if we had this all to do over again, 379 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: and Donald Trump hadn't been president and it had been hilary, like, 380 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: if all of these things had been true, I honestly 381 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: don't believe that two plus years in people wouldn't be 382 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: where they are right now. I gotta I gotta be honest. 383 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: I think that the American people have not only a 384 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: very small memory, but a very short memory but I 385 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: also believe that they have a very small appetite for 386 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: being dictated to right. And so it's not that I 387 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: believe that we wouldn't be in this place of just 388 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: exhaustion as it pertains to the pandemic. But it's just 389 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: like I want Democrats to have taken responsibility for the 390 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: fact that we wouldn't be in this situation with the 391 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: courts if they had paid attention for the last ten years. Well, 392 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: and not only that, I'm going to give you a 393 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: very counterintuitive take, right, which is if you study how 394 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: the Republicans like got this power, they had to make 395 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: a lot of very uncomfortable deals. I mean, it wasn't 396 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: like getting in bed with the NRA or the Federalist 397 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: Society or things like that in the beginning. Was you know, 398 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: their goal was power. Their goal was not ideology. The 399 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: ideology was power, and so people had to make they 400 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: had to make a lot of uncomfortable deals in in 401 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: the aim of power. I mean they literally sacrificed a 402 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: lot of their base for it. Um But and so 403 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: it's not like it was. It mean, it took four decades, right, 404 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: but but the idea was we're gonna We're gonna under 405 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 1: our umbrella, um, bring in the proud boys and the 406 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: three percenters and the NRA and the whatever whatever whatever, 407 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: and so um. You know it probably I have no idea, 408 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: but it probably became like less of a It became 409 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: less of a kind of moral dilemma, you know, because 410 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: everybody understood that the goal was power, and then you know, 411 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: you take over the judges, you take over the school boards, 412 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: you take over the election apparatus, which is what's happening 413 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: now or things like that. So if everybody's on board 414 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: with like the goal being power, um, then the narrative 415 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: makes sense. And I contrast that, and here's where the 416 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: unpopular take is going to be. Um, Like let's think 417 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: about like managing and cinema and all that kind of stuff. 418 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: Like the idea was basically, when people see that we 419 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: vote for this social safety net all this kind of stuff, 420 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: that everybody's going to see how good the Democrats are doing, 421 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: and they're going to rally to our side. And that's 422 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: probably true. But I can say, having studied the Affordable 423 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: Care Act, that you can give people a social safety 424 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: net and it's still not going to assume if you 425 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: don't also have a strategy for power. Then it's not 426 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: like people are going to automatically say, oh, the Democrats 427 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: are making our lives so much better because we have 428 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: free healthcare for example, or something like that. And what 429 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: people miss about like management and cinema for example, is 430 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: that they've voted for every single one of the judges 431 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: that Biden has put forward. Right, So, just from a 432 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: power perspective, I don't know. I guess I'm not exactly. 433 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: But here's the thing here, here's the thing is that 434 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: I think I agree mostly, but I have an addition. 435 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: So it's not it's not even a subtract. I have 436 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: an addition to what you're saying. I do believe that 437 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: the Republicans goal has always been power, right, They've been 438 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: on this, like you're saying, a four decade march back 439 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: to total power. But also what I believe, Jonathan, and 440 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: this is new, I think under Trumpism is punishment. And 441 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: this is the thing that I don't believe that we're 442 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: also uplifting and paying attention to. They don't want just 443 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: power for powers sake. They want power for the ability 444 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: to punish those that believe that they should have access 445 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: to the American dream to democracy. To anything, right. So 446 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: it isn't enough to just be able to dictate, Oh 447 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: we don't want abortion, No, we're going to criminalize women 448 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: and people with uterus is for having the audacity to 449 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: want autonomy over their bodies. Not only are we going 450 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: to dictate curriculum right and what is taught and if 451 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: it moves outside of the frame of white supremacy, then 452 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: we are going to criminal allies, right, our teachers and 453 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: administrators and you know, and and take these schools, these 454 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: public schools, to court or bleed them dry, starve them right, 455 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: starve them of federal resources. Once Republicans get in power, 456 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: it's not enough to just say, oh, we don't agree, 457 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: we don't like the LGBTQ community. No, we're going to 458 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: punish you. Right, So you're not going to be able 459 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: to play sports, You're not going to be able to 460 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: participate if you are trans youth or LGBTQ youth with 461 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: your peers, right, we're going to ostracize you. It is 462 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: about power and punishment for them. And so what pains 463 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: me is that then when I know that to be true, 464 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: and I hear Biden and other Democrats continuing again to 465 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: refer to these people as their friends and think that 466 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: there is a common ground to be had with people 467 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: that want to see you in pain and you listen. 468 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: I mean, fucking Don Junior tweeted on Easter, for the 469 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: love of God an Easter bunny with an AR fifteen saying, 470 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: come and get it. This is about violence, right, It's 471 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: about violence, pain and power. And I'm like an until 472 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 1: Democrat the establishment understands that narrative, they're never going to 473 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: be able to counterbalance it. Well. I mean, I of 474 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: course agree. You know, in Tennessee we've just criminalized homelessness, 475 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: so I think there's lots of examples of that kind 476 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: of punishment happening right now. But I would also say 477 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: that it's not just a question of the democratic establishment. 478 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: It's actually a question of the democratic base. I mean, 479 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: part of what the Republicans did is they convinced their 480 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: base to go along with this, and I don't think 481 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: that the Democrats have quite done that. In other words, like, 482 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: what are the what are the if the goal is 483 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,959 Speaker 1: getting power back, what are the are the what are 484 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: the trade offs you're gonna have to make to get there? Right? 485 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm just being like really nuts and boltsy about it. 486 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: But I mean, I've been reading some good stuff recently 487 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: that the Democrats path to winning back elections actually involves 488 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: winning back um centrist Latino voters who are who are 489 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: drifting toward the Republicans, and figuring out a way to 490 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: win back working class wide voters in parts of the country. 491 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: And so what kind of what kind of trade offs 492 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: would the Democrats have to make to bring those two 493 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: voting blocks back under the Democratic tent It would probably 494 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: not be um stuff that we feel is important, like 495 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: the Green New Deal and me to care for all 496 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And so the question is, like, um, 497 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's if the framework is power. 498 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: It's different than morality or righteousness or ideas. And I 499 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: say don't and I say, don't sell it right, like 500 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: I'm not interested. I'm going to be honest with you 501 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: when at the stage we're at. I woke up this morning, 502 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: and you know, against my better judgment, I turned on 503 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: the news, which I usually do not do until the afternoon. 504 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: And it's, frankly because I would rather read the news 505 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 1: than begin to ingest it right via television, And against 506 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: my better judgment, I turn it on and I'm listening 507 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: to Mika and Joe on Morning Joe and Mika is 508 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: going through every single headline. She's talking about an uptick 509 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: in violence in schools, in public schools because the reintegration, 510 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: the anxiety around COVID like has created this unpredictable, unstable 511 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: kind of mental health environment for kids. And this is 512 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, it was a top story in New Mexico. 513 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: They're talking about Utah now taking on abortion, right, yet 514 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: another red state that is now taking on abortion and 515 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: saying that, you know, we're going to create law that 516 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: is only abortion in the case of the risk of 517 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: the health of the mother, who which, by the way, 518 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: who the fuck gets to determine that, right, Like your 519 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: right wing red state doctor gets to say whether or 520 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: not you know, this is life threatening, whether or not 521 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: you actually were raped or this was a product of insects, Like, again, 522 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: the determination is not your own, right. So they're going 523 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: to ban abortion ahead of what is already going to 524 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: be the national band come June, except for the few 525 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: abortion asylum states. Right, So you're looking at all of 526 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: these news stories. Then it was the COVID story and 527 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: all of these things that I'm saying, Jesus Christ, right like, 528 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: Octavia Butler wrote Parable of the Sower back in nineteen 529 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: ninety three, and it was foreshadowing to twenty twenty four, 530 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: which is where the story took place, and it was 531 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: talking about the confluence of climate change, a right wing 532 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: evangelical Christian takeover of America that destabilized all of the 533 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 1: social safety nets you have. Drugs are rampant, violence is rampant, 534 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: and unless you have the money to be able to 535 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: hire your own police department to protect yourself or live 536 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: inside of this walled off community, you know, you're basically 537 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 1: living in the wild, right, And this is what Republicans want. 538 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: So for me, it isn't about Democrats continuing to have 539 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: policy discussions. It's about them identifying who the fucking villain 540 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: is of our story and us coalescing around our common villain, 541 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: right and pointing out that these people are a threat, right, 542 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: They are a threat to everything that you hold dear, 543 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: And until we can agree that the Republicans are the 544 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: villain of the American project right, don't talk to me 545 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: about policy and facts and statistics when they are on 546 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: earth to creating their own alternative facts. They have not 547 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: identified who the villain is, and so there is no 548 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: coalescing around this common enemy. I mean, two years ago 549 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 1: we won a national election based on a common villain. 550 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: So it's not like we can't do it. We just 551 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: did it literally the last election. But but the minute 552 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: we won then it was like, well, you owe me 553 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: because my voting block showed up for you, and it 554 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: became fractured right away. And in the meantime, the Republicans 555 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: were using the twenty twenty election, as we've talked about here, 556 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: to overtake the apparatus of the election itself, and the 557 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 1: Democrats just were way too slow to see the threat 558 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: that was actually happening, and so we needed to keep 559 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: the focus back on what it was. I mean, we 560 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: I think we badly misinterpreted the twenty twenty election. Just 561 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: to be totally frank, It's not like it's not like 562 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: we loved Joe Biden, we hated Trump and so. But 563 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: but I think the minute we won the election, it 564 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: was like my block showed up, and this is what's 565 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: to happen, or my blockshepp and this is what happened, 566 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: and we didn't see that. Really what we needed to 567 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: do is keep that coalition together and defend democracy, right 568 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: run for every local school board, run for every local 569 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: election thing, keep the freaking Lincoln Project doing our messaging, 570 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: like all the kind of things that we didn't do 571 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: after that election because we thought, oh whatever, and so 572 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 1: now we're kind of paying the price for it. And 573 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: the other side was very disciplined about something that is 574 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: total horseshit, which is this idea. But I mean, wait 575 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,439 Speaker 1: till after they win the mid terms. They're going they're 576 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: going to try to decertify the twenty twenty election. I'm worried, 577 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: and so it's they're not going to try, Jonathan, They're 578 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 1: going to do it. They're also going to begin impeachment 579 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,879 Speaker 1: proceedings for Joe Biden, and they are going to use 580 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden's laptop as this bullshit story that they're going 581 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: to pump into the press NonStop. And then all of 582 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: a sudden, the media is going to start questioning things. 583 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: And then Donald Trump wills have ceased to exist, and 584 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: the moment that Democrats had to once again tell the 585 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: story of this criminal enterprise being run outside of our 586 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: run in our White House for four plus years, we'll 587 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: be done. Yeah, right, And then Democrats can go back 588 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,240 Speaker 1: to watch waving their finger and trying to shame people 589 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: that have told you that they are shameless. And you know, 590 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: you've had Jason Stanley on the show, like the fascism 591 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: rises with a fractured resistance right, and so dividing the 592 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: Democrats into different camps is you know, we're going to 593 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: be in the resistance for quite some time. And so 594 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not too late, but I mean, again, 595 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: we need to massively mobilize to run for local elections. 596 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: I mean, that really is the lesson here that if 597 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: we run for you know, the state apparatus really has 598 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: to get a lot stronger. That should have been you know, 599 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: the move for the Democrats after winning the election is 600 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: we're going to we're going to be hardassies and we're 601 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,959 Speaker 1: going to defend democracy. It wasn't even putting Trump on trial. 602 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that was important, but it called 603 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: on a kind of moral assumption about people that assumed 604 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: that they would all see the threat to our republic 605 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: and then turned back towards whatever we should have been, 606 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: like really working hard to seize the mechanisms of power 607 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: that let that thing happen in the first place. And 608 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: so again, it's not too late, but we really need 609 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: to really invest in these local elections that determine how 610 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: elections are run and and and really unify about that. 611 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean, again, you know, I got really depressed their day. 612 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm an upbeat person and as you know, 613 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: I love puppies. But but but the Washington Post had 614 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: a story about here the top ten Democratic convendors for 615 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election, and it was like the 616 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: exact same ten people we've seen running forever. And I'm like, 617 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: you know, right now, we need to think outside the box. 618 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: We need to we need a convert We need an outsider. 619 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: We need like the Democratic Trump who comes out of nowhere, 620 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,240 Speaker 1: who has sway and power and authority, Like it, now's 621 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: the time to think outside of our boy. We need divergence. 622 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 1: We need a divergence, a divergent candidate from Like, you're 623 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: absolutely right, I'm tired of the same players and frankly, 624 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: like they're not winning, they're not They're you know, we 625 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,479 Speaker 1: we we said to ourselves, we swallowed this hard pill. 626 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: We'll go with Biden, right, because we don't know who 627 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: else can win. We'll go We'll go with him. And 628 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I honestly think it was a big mistake, 629 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: but we knew that, right. I believe that it was 630 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,879 Speaker 1: a mistake because I don't think that he sees the 631 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: world in the way that it is. I think that 632 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,359 Speaker 1: he sees the world in the way that it was 633 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: and what he has understand as the political landscape for 634 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: the last forty plus years of his life of service. 635 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: But that's not where we are. I mean, if you 636 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: look at historical examples, I mean, I just say that 637 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: anybody on the list is not going to win an election. 638 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Elizabeth Warren is not going to win an election. Respectfully, 639 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: AOC is not going to win a national election right now, 640 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: and neither is Kamala Harris or mayor Pete or any 641 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: of those guys, you know, because they're all associated with 642 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: this brand that is not a great brand right now. 643 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: And so what you need, I mean, history tells us 644 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: the power of the convert, right that somebody who was 645 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,720 Speaker 1: on the other side and then came to your side 646 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: and they have inside into the other side and has 647 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: sway or something like that. Like I think we should 648 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: have a you know, AOC list Cheney ticket or something 649 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: like that, like something that is just completely not linked 650 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: to or just you know, something we need something we 651 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: need George Clooney, something I don't know, we need something 652 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: that's not linked to the brand right now, because the 653 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: brand is not is the brand is tarnish. And honestly, 654 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: I want, folks, you know, as you're listening to this, 655 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: who would be your ticket? Who do you think, in 656 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: all honesty in the comments section, who would be the 657 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 1: ticket that right now if you could run them, you 658 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: believe that they would get the votes. And I don't 659 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: mean the popular vote, I mean, like be the racist 660 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: electoral college, Like who is going to do that? I 661 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: want to hear from you. Well, But I mean the 662 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: other part of that, let me just say, is that 663 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: the people who would win those elections are not going 664 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: to be palatable to a lot of Democrats, right, And 665 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 1: so that's the problem is that the Democrats like, think 666 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: about all these people who hated Trump and then they 667 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 1: love Trump. I mean jd Vance top of that list. 668 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 1: And so the issue is the Democrats have to think 669 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: change the way they think about democracy. I mean, I 670 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: think that's just kind of the way it is in 671 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: this moment. And so it's it's just much more much 672 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: more strategic, and I'm not saying sell out your values. 673 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, think about who can actually win and 674 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: what they do. So's it would not be comfortable for 675 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,800 Speaker 1: Democrats to think, you know, it's it's not a comfortable 676 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: moment for Democrats. Everybody needs to move outside of their 677 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 1: fucking comfort zone. Everybody needs to get off of their 678 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: idealized shit right Like it doesn't fucking work, right. And 679 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: at this point in where we are, we are at 680 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: war with the Republican Party, and there's only one party 681 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: that believes that we are at war, and it is 682 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 1: not Democrats. And so I don't know how you continue 683 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: to function when people are beating your ass up and 684 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: down this country right now, from abortion to gay rights 685 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: to voting rights, like it's all going and yet we 686 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: own all the quote unquote mechanisms of federal power, and 687 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: we're seeing that that doesn't matter. Right, So at some 688 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: point you need to have a stop, pivot and reflect 689 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 1: on what is not working and make a dramatic move. 690 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 1: And the thing that is true about the democratic establishment 691 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 1: is that it is like the Titanic, right. You see 692 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: the iceberg right ahead. But to stop that ship and 693 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 1: to turn it all the way around is going to 694 00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: take everyone on board, moving to the other side right 695 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: and recognizing that we're the only ones that can stop this. 696 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,800 Speaker 1: But until then, we're just going to continue towards the iceberg. 697 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,319 Speaker 1: And I would also just quote mister t enclosing, when 698 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,240 Speaker 1: you get on a plane, wear a motherfucking mask. Yeah, 699 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: even if everybody else isn't doing it. So guys, stay safe. 700 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: As always, Jonathan, we appreciate your insight and you know 701 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 1: your continued energy as we move through what is inevitable disaster. 702 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: Never a dull moment, Never a dull moment. That is 703 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 1: it for me today, dear friends on wo gay app 704 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: as always, Power to the people and to all the people. Power, 705 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,879 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.