WEBVTT - Framber Valdez's struggles, Tarik Skubal's situation and the Tigers' rollercoaster 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:12.559 And welcome in toun that episode of Tiger Territory, part 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.320 of the Foul Territory. Now we're at Detroit Tigers Podcast. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:17.440 I'm Karen Steckley with me as always as a man 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:21.239 who is happy to not have to answer the question anymore. Hey, 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.160 do you catch that World Cup match? Here's Cody Savina. 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:24.800 How we're doing. 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:28.200 You're right, it's time to watch some baseball people. We're 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.800 done with the little soccer tournament. We can lock in 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.760 on the big leagues. The trade deadline is coming up. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.040 We've had a really exciting Monday for the Tigers, not 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.760 such an exciting Tuesday. That's all right, Well, we kind 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:42.479 of have a lot to talk about. There's kind of 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:43.680 a lot going on. 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.199 Yep. So just in the interest of full disclosure, we 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.400 are recording this before the conclusion of Tuesday's game. I 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.480 hope you guys will forgive us as we as we 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.440 get going here. I just got a text with my 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:59.040 wife actually the. 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.680 Full breakdown of Zach McKinstry's pitching performance. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.080 Yeah, well, Dingler just hit a home run, So wife 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.840 just texted me looking out for me that little update there. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.280 So right now it is eleven to two, so if 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.600 this comeback happens, we'll come back on here and then 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.119 we'll adjust everything we have to say. But like you said, Cody, 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:19.479 there's a lot of storylines big and small, and and 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.520 to be honest, I kind of want to start with 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:27.440 a larger thought process here that I had coming into 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.640 this game, and I thought this could go one way 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.520 or another, and it went like pretty far in the 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.720 direction I did not anticipate, which was, look, you have 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:41.480 this awesome win on Monday, and then you have your 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.679 big free agent acquisition starting pitcher from Bervaldez coming on 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:47.960 on Tuesday. It's like, wouldn't it be great for him 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.920 to kind of come in here when you a series 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.760 on the road against a team that's like what twelve fourteen, 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.680 whatever it is, games above five hundred, Like this would 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:02.279 be great. It's not great, Cody. In case you guys 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.000 missed it, Robert did not make it out of the 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.000 first ending allowed five hits, six earned runs. He had 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.160 two walks in one k and basically he was just 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:13.079 kind of getting hit all around the yard and and look, 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.120 but you know, much much empathy and sympathy for what 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.520 he you know, just coming off the bereavement list, you know, 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.240 dealing with the death of his grandmother. Obviously, all the 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.320 thoughts and prayers to him and his family, but we're 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.120 just going to keep it to the baseball part of this. 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.760 I had a a thought, Cody. I was like, you know, look, 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:34.239 the Tigers, obviously the goal is the playoffs, and given 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:37.040 where they've been the season, the goal is not to 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.600 skip the wildcard round. The wildcard round is coming if 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:42.959 you if you make the postseason, so that's the best 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:47.840 of three. So who's your three? That was the question 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.560 that was kind of like like percolating through the mind 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:52.840 a little bit because it's like, Okay, you have school 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:54.840 bull or you don't, and we can kind of talk 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:56.520 about that a little bit later. You have school where 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:03.040 you don't. That's one Moultain feels pretty safe. Mys what 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:07.639 has definitely pinched the like to be in that rotation. 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.200 But the injury thing. As of now he's on the 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:15.120 il so hopefully everything's okay with him. Uh from Bert 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:20.400 like should be like a no discussion boom, that's that's 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:25.079 in there. Unfortunately today and we saw I would probably 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:29.200 wager the worst version. Unfortunately today that just in my 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.560 mind does not feel like a slam dunk. 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:33.240 Is that fair? 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.320 Is that fair to me to kind of like percolate 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:36.600 that through my mind a little bit? 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.120 Well, that's certainly an interesting thought. And of course to 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.680 get to this situation a lot would have to go right. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:44.800 They would have to keep everybody, everyone would have to 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:49.480 stay healthy. But it's kind of an interesting thought exercise, because, Yeah, 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.360 if I was just picking who are the three best 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.320 pictures right now from Bervaldez, is not one of them. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.960 His era went up nearly a half run, what four 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.600 four nine after the last outing, and beyond that, it's 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.920 this is at least the third time he has come 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.040 out this season and basically been completely useless. He gave 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.120 up eight earned runs on April eighth. You give up 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.520 seven earned runs on May fifth, That was the ejection game. 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.000 He came out here six earned runs, didn't even finish 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.440 an inning. Froumber has kind of been prone to outings 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.000 like these throughout his career, but it's happened three times 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.599 in just over half a season. He's had a couple 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.480 other outings that weren't great. Maybe that speaks to actually 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.840 the fact he's a really good pitcher, because he's been 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.440 just terrible several times, and his era still has a 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.840 four instead of a five or six in front of it, 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.120 so he's capable of being good. He has playoff experience. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.799 He's maybe about thirty six and a half million dollars. 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.200 I think as a result of that, realistically, the Tigers 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.800 would probably start from Rivaldez in a playoff game, and 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.960 they'd probably yank around and find a different way to 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:57.600 use Troy Melton or even Casey Mize or even cater Montero, 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.840 because that's just how these things tend to go. Then 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.560 you could argue Fromber's experience pitching in the playoffs in 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.360 the World Series might actually hold some weight there in 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:11.000 terms of just being able to manage the environment, the emotions. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.600 He's been there, he's done it. However, it's just disappointing 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:18.920 when this guy comes here to that much acclaim, when 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.560 he's getting paid that much money, and he just hasn't 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:25.720 quite performed up to that standard on a consistent basis. 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.120 I think it is totally fair to be asking the 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:29.560 question you're asking right now, Kieran. 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.240 Well, I'm glad you think that, because the other thing 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.320 that I like ask myself, like, is it fair to 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:44.800 think X is like is it fair to over empathize, 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:49.680 over emphasize, over critique, like really notice some like the 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.120 little things with fromber And I've talked about this before, 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.000 especially after the ejection game, where it's like, look, dude, 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.119 like it like if you want to be the guy, 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.839 which that money dictates, you are the guy, whether or 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.200 not schools on this roster or not. And at that 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.920 time he was hurt, right, It's like you have to 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.000 carry yourself a certain way in my opinion, like maybe 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.880 not everybody agrees with me, but you got to carry 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.359 yourself a certain way if you're gonna carry that price 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.359 tag and you're gonna have that sort of a claim 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.880 like that's what the money's for, as as they say 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:20.719 in mad Men. And today was another example of just 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.599 bad body language. You know, a ground ball goes up 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.040 the middle, like you know, look, it's a groundball. Your 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.240 job in that situation is a good groundball. So I 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:33.120 understand like potentially being frustrated, but you have the whole 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.560 like kind of raise your hands and you know, like 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:40.560 kind of emotion here that kind of it's not showing 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.320 anybody up per se, but it's not calm and cool 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.360 and and and in these situations, especially in the first ending, 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.800 especially on the road, especially when everything everyone's looking to you. 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.920 I want guys that look like they can like they're 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.520 the same no matter what. And there's and there's a 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:04.159 difference between demonstrative and forceful. Like I think we could 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:08.960 say Schooble is a forceful reactionary, but like fromber a 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.160 lot of times, is a kind of head up, sigh 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.360 like reactionary. And I just don't think that does a 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:17.920 lot of good. And we saw multiple examples of that 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.040 today when we just didn't have his stuff, and so 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.040 that those kind of things concerned me overall as well. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.760 And again I repeat myself, this is why Houston wasn't 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.800 exactly like having candlelight vigils when he like signed with 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:32.040 another team. 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.800 Yeah, I would just say that's that's part of the package. 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:37.720 The Tigers knew what they were getting when when they 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.360 signed him. Again, like starting the more we see it 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.160 starts to make sense why maybe other teams weren't willing 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:47.000 to give him that five plus year deal he initially wanted, 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.600 probably initially thought he was gonna get, probably want a 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:53.240 ship performance basis deserved by the way he had pitched. 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.960 It's kind of things like that that have followed him 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.320 out throughout his career. You know, you kind of hear, well, 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.240 he's gotten better, he's gotten better at managing his emotions 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.200 and bouncing back, and it's like, well, only for so 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.520 long when things are going badly, he does still have 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.960 a tendency to kind of let the emotions, the body 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.840 language creep in. He's not the only guy, like, like, 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.080 there are others throughout the league, even on this team 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.160 who can kind of struggle with that. But I think 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:20.080 just subjectively, it's it's fair to say that's not the 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.720 most desirable trait. That's not the ideal trait in what 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:25.320 you want to see from your guy on the mount. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.440 And again, like you're throwing guys like Montero who don't 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.760 have near the experience that he does. I feel like 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.600 Montero like always looks locked in, Like sometimes with Valdez 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.640 it doesn't necessarily always appear that he's locked in, because 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.640 he does kind of let those spurts out. And the 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.319 reason like, and I struggle even bringing this up because 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:49.280 I am a believer in like accepting people and accepting 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.240 like players and coaches and everybody like as they are. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.800 Like I don't want to like double punish them for 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.360 just doing what they usually do. Does that make sense? 0:08:58.080 --> 0:08:59.960 So like I struggle bringing that up, but like when 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.679 on a game like today, and what everything's crucial, right, 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.680 We've talked about this a lot on a game like today, 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.480 like you just needed to put your best foot forward 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:10.840 and if it wasn't your stuff, it had to be 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.160 something else and and and neither one was the case here, 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.280 and you end up you know, ty Madden just come 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.120 just gets called up, and yeah bring in ty Madden 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.680 the first endy and that you know, you know, yet 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:23.880 no days off here for a bit, Cody, Like that 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:28.120 throws everything off into you know, contingency plan territory there. 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:33.480 So just disappoint overall from fromber And again, like you're right, 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.600 he probably is going to start a playoff game should 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:41.160 they get there. But like as of right now, there's 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:45.920 been too many instances of of lack of feel that 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.200 will give fans and even you know, coaches and players, 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:53.040 I'm sure confidence overall should that situation presents present itself. 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.640 All right, we are going to get to a quick 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.720 break and then afterward we're gonna talk some tek Schooble 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.360 Cody just wrote a story at Tererek, and of course 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.320 you know he's the man of the hour, of the week, 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.199 of the next couple of weeks in Major League Baseball. 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.360 It's a lot to get there. But first I'll work 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:08.400 from our sponsors. 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.400 What if you can actually have it all? 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There's Terrek Schouoble the Man, 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:28.360 and then there's Terrek Schooble the Plan. And so Cody, 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.400 you wrote about Trek Schoolble the Man as somebody who 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:37.160 is just kind of been at the forefront of I 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:42.680 don't know, everything extracurricular that you don't necessarily like want 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.720 to talk about on a near daily basis or whatever. 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.000 You know, like like, look, he's gonna it's all gonna 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:51.439 be worth it for him, because no matter who the 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.360 team is, he's gonna be, you know, one of the 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.480 richest players in the history of Major League Baseball. So 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.080 I'm not trying to paint like wax poetic that he's 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.760 some victim here, but it is a again, like extracurricular uh, 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.120 not advantageous to the day to day being of a 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.720 baseball player and having to deal with everything from injury 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:14.520 from Team USA, from arbitration, from rehab to just kind 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.320 of getting back right dealing with the trade rumors and 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:21.960 then what you know, the uncertain future. You've seen him 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.320 on a daily basis. You've talked to him about this, like, 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.679 how is he kind of how is he being? I 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:29.720 guess is the way to kind of ask his question. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.839 Yeah, well, I'm glad that the story finally running and 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.760 that we're finally talking about it. I think for as 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.040 much as you know, we do the speculation thing too, 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.880 when we talk about the trade deadline. Like in my 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.120 actual job as a writer, one of the things that 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:49.560 really fascinates me is kind of chronicling fame and attention 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.880 and money and pressure and criticism and what that does 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.520 to people. I've seen it a lot. I haven't necessarily 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.440 covered many people as famous as Trek Scooble in my 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.200 time around the Tigers, but I'd seen another sports before, 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:06.120 and it's a very fascinating, quite honestly, very modern thing, 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.920 especially in the social media age. I mean, think about it. 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.520 There was a time where athletes were revered the greatest 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.440 athletes where they were just revered figures, and I feel like, 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.640 now there's a thing where you achieve a certain level 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:22.679 of success and then people inevitably just start to dislike you. 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.800 It's kind of a weird thing. And Schoolbol I think, 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.600 has experienced a lot of this over the past couple 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.319 of years, and especially over the past six months. If 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.079 you think about it, from off season trade rumors to arbitration, 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.440 to the WBC back and forth drama, to getting hurt, 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.560 to the surgery to now back at the center of 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:45.040 trade rumors. He has been the main character kind of 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.960 in the twenty twenty six baseball season, and that might 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:53.040 just be getting started. Seeing how Schooble's handled kind of 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.920 a rise from a ninth round pick, a guy with 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.280 one d one offer, I think has been very fascinating, 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.040 and I've always wondered if that for a little bit 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.080 of why he is kind of handled the public side 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.080 of things, I would say as well has as he has, 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:11.760 He's become very friendly. He's been incredibly accessible. Where a 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:15.160 lot of guys can kind of close off, become very guarded. 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.360 S Google has been the opposite. He's kind of opened 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.120 up this year. You could argue he hasn't necessarily done 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:24.120 himself any favors simply by being out there and talking. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.520 He's talked to himself, you know, think about the WBC, 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.560 the back and forth. Maybe if he just would have 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.480 not said anything, that wouldn't have been a thing. As 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.800 a media member, I obviously appreciate it when guys are 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.440 open and when guys are honest and willing to talk. 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.840 But you know, I sat down with Errek a while 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:41.600 back and I kind of just asked him, what is 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.840 it like when everything you do becomes a story? How 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.320 does that impact you? And it seems to me like 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.520 Trek has a pretty good head about it. He gets it, 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.800 he understands it. He seems to do a decent job 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.000 of blocking out the noise. But I think he's very 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.320 much aware of what's being said, what's going on. He 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:02.040 had some quotes about that in the story. Interestingly enough, though, 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.240 like Terrek's at this point where he can't even explain 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.240 like the real human side of what he's been through 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.520 without probably generating some other headlines. I'm sure a lot 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.640 of people will latch onto a quote where he says, 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:16.640 if I could go back, I probably should have gotten 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:20.080 MRI in January and hammered it out to where I 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.080 was done with it in the off season. He's talking 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.560 about the loose body in his arm, but there were 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.920 other factors in play. I was going through arbitration, the 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.640 decision by the organization to take me to court. I 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.400 think that probably had some impact subconsciously. I'm sure that's 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:37.520 probably already sparking some reaction out there, and it's sparking 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.600 reaction because Trek Scoble said it. These things don't necessarily 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:44.960 spark the same reaction when I don't know, Drew Summers 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.040 says it or something like that. You know, this is 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.920 like the stuff that comes with the territory, and my observation, 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.600 Schooble's handled it very well for the most part, but 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.680 now it's it's grown. It's just this thing, and every 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.560 day there's a there's a new Schooble segment on talk radio. 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.880 So there's another report, there's another rumor, there's another school 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.560 quote that's stirring up, and people are kind of picking 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.960 it apart. What does he mean? What are his motivations? 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.240 So I kind of tried to write just about that 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.720 aspect and some of the things that's gone on behind 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:17.400 the scenes and what that is like on a human level, 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.640 because I just think it's a fascinating topic. And I 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.960 know not everyone loves the way School has handled it, 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.640 but it's interesting put yourself in his shoes, how would 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:27.920 you handle it? How would I handle it? Like, I 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.840 don't know, probably not well, probably worse than Trek Schoobel, 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.440 because it's a strange position to be in. You're right, 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:36.920 that doesn't mean he's a victim. Like he's a very 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.920 wealthy man and going to become a wealthier man. But 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.000 he is living this life that not that many people 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.000 either get to live or have to live, and there's 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.240 no simple roadmap for how to navigate that. 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:54.120 Yeah, you're right. And the word there that's key is human. 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.880 And by the way, Schooble doesn't look at himself as 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:59.560 a victim, like you know we've had him on the 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.000 podcast couple. You know you have him on the podcast 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:03.760 and you know you've talked to him, and if you 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.240 observe the way that he goes about his business, he 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.440 is not someone who carries himself as like a victim. 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.880 He is somebody who has the utmost belief in himself 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:13.919 and thus the utmost belief in the team, and he 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:19.920 has given everything to the organization through now and however 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:21.960 long he is here, you know what I mean, Like, 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:23.840 there's no doubt about that. So the people that are 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.800 kind of like picking everything apart just kind of feels, 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.199 I don't know, I'm gonna say, lazy and kind of 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.600 missing the broader picture here. Uh And so like I 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.320 don't really have a whole lot of like headspace to 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.840 give like those kind of like talk radio segments and 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.080 and and those kind of opinions because I just don't 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.560 think they're based in reality. So uh So, like I 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.840 see him, I'm not viewing them. I'm not giving them clicks. 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.679 I'm not giving them like impressions or anything like that, 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.960 because I just know that it's not grounded. And I 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.480 you know who I know is grounded, Terrek Scoogle, Cause 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.440 that quote right there that I'm sure you we're gonna 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.560 pick apart, that's a grounded quote. That's a quote of 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.200 him just like thinking everything through, you know what I mean. 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.480 And then and just be like, well, like maybe I 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.600 should have just gone back and done this. How many 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.320 times in your life? You you know, everybody out there 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:16.879 have you thought, you know what, maybe I should have 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:18.800 done this, But at the time I thought this was 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.280 kind of the best way. That's just him going through life, 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:25.320 man livelihood, that's okay, and it had nothing, and it 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.400 was not pulling back or holding himself back in any fashion. 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.640 So like, if people look at that in any other fashion, 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:33.639 I'm just I'm just gonna say, miss me with that. 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.840 So like, so there's so so there's the school human piece, 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.800 all right, and then the broader piece of this is 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:45.760 is he gonna get traded? What's the likelihood more likely 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.159 than not? So I guess I'll give my uh my 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.800 seventy percent is my number right now as the Tigers 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:53.200 lose eleven to two to the. 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.359 Cup, so I'm thirteen what a jump? 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:59.159 Yeah yeah, so yeah, seventy percent, how about that? Uh, 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:04.320 because there's something picking up steam. This was one of 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.280 my bold predictions that we talked about a couple of 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.800 weeks ago, Cody, that I know you're not a fan of, 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.960 but like it just kind of seems like other people, 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.080 not just me, other people are kind of saying, you know, 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.400 maybe the Tigers they trade schoogle, but they're but they're 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.080 not punning on the season, and and your colleagues at 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.879 the Athletic also wrote about this and it and we 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.080 don't know. I would encourage everybody to go read it. 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:29.960 See the names on there. That kind of makes sense 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.120 for various teams. I want to spoil, uh, spoil the story, 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:34.720 but the fact that this is picking up. 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:38.160 From Ken and will Sanon was sourced information from other 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.160 executives around the league, basically just saying the Tigers are 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.240 considering a thread the needle option. Not that they're going 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.159 to do this, but they are. They're looking into it, 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.120 They're thinking about it. That's as close as to anything 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.920 solid as we've heard anywhere throughout this whole thing. 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.520 Which I think means that like it that, like again, 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.960 that notion is like, as we sit here July twe 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:06.400 first is picking up steam, which, like it, like anything 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.120 else with the school decision, is something that no matter 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:13.440 what you decide, can easily be picked apart and eventually 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:16.719 it's gonna be Monday morning quarterbacked. Right, This is the 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:21.200 one that probably in the moment, would be the easiest 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.600 one to pick apart and Monday morning quarterback fair or not. 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:28.080 But I do feel like this is something that if 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:33.720 you're gonna like appease all bosses metaphorically. This might this 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:35.480 might be what they end up doing. I'm saying I 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.400 would do it. I'm just saying that was my BOT 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:39.320 prediction for a reason. 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:43.359 Yeah. Again, it's not what I would do if I 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.080 were running the team, but I understand it. It would 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.679 also be malpractice if they didn't at least consider this 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:52.120 and think about what it would look like. But as 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.440