1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Hi, Happy Friday. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: The last series of the twenty twenty five season is 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: upon us. Welcome back to Cardinal Territory, the official Saint 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: Was Cardinals podcast of the Foul Territory Network. Come into 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: you live from Ridleyfield. I'm your host, Katie Woo. If 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 2: you miss today's game, you didn't really miss much. But 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: let's just start with the news. Mason Wynn underwent successful 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: surgery to repair his torn meniscus Thursday in Dallas. It 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: went as expected per manager Ollie Marble, so Mason should 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 2: be a full go for spring training. Matthew Libertore has 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: been shut down. He will not make his final scheduled start. 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: Michael m'greeby starts Saturday. Kyle Lahy will get the start 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: Sunday in what will be a bullpen game. Expect the 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: team to stay away from Brendan Donovan the series. He's 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: basically for emergency use only that groin titaness is plaguing 16 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: him a little bit. Nothing that needs to be addressed 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: in the off season, just rest in recovery. So, with 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: the Cardinals eliminated, no reason to push Donnie for any reason. 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: Let's go back a little bit though, to Matthew Libertour. 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 2: So as we know, it was a big focal point 21 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: for the Saint Louis Cardinals to give Livy a full 22 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 2: season of work. 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: After his last start, which I. 24 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 2: Believe was in was at home against the Brewers, his 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: vila was good, sustained it quality. Outing manager Ollie Marmel 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: said that they are going to go ahead and shut 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: Libby down. 28 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: He's done a tremendous job this year. 29 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 2: His last outing was exactly what we needed to see, 30 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 2: Allie said, especially with the overall workload and how it 31 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: sets up for next year. But for him to bounce 32 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: back and be ninety seven to ninety eight, he showed 33 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: exactly what he needed to show. To throw in an 34 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: extra game on top of him. This point based on 35 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: being eliminated does not make sense. So no, Libby had 36 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: a great year in terms of figuring out if he 37 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,639 Speaker 2: could sustain a full season as a starter. 38 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: Kyle Lahey will get that start in. 39 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: A bullpen game as the Cardinals continue to evaluate what 40 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: his role looks like next year, whether or not he 41 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: could be a starter. Allie said that it'd be good 42 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: for a Libby or for Libby, it'd be good for Lay. 43 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 2: He to go out and experience the whole prep of 44 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: getting ready for a start and what that feels like. 45 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: My inclination is, I'm led to believe that come next year, 46 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: we'll see Lakey as a tryout for the starting rotation. 47 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: All right, news over, let's get to the game. We 48 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: don't have to spend a lot of time on it. 49 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't good. 50 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 2: The Cubs throttled the Cardinals twelve to one thanks to 51 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: a casual seven run seventh inning by Chicago. While the 52 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 2: Cardinals were officially eliminated from post season contention on Wednesday, 53 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: Friday's loss mathematically guaranteed that Saint Louis will finish with 54 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: the record below five hundred. Now, there's two ways to 55 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: look at that stat both of them true. You can 56 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: frame it this way. The Cardinals have had two losing 57 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: seasons in their last eighteen years. And if you're looking 58 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 2: at that, you're thinking, hey, you know what, that's really 59 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: not bad. Actually that's pretty impressive. Not ideal that happened 60 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: this year, but pretty good track record. Two losing seasons 61 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: in eighteen years, almost two decades, that's a pretty good run. 62 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: Or or you can say the Cardinals. 63 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: Have had two losing seasons in their last three years, 64 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: and that sounds much much worse. 65 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: You're not feeling as good about it. 66 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: You're kind of like, eh, I don't love that you choose. 67 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: You get to choose the way that you look at 68 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: this season. All jokes aside. I think fans can all 69 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: agree that it has been a frustrating rebuild, reset runway year, 70 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: and I think that's something that's been magnified over the 71 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: last two weeks when you look at the state of 72 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: the NL playoff picture. I mean, the Mets just tried 73 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: to give their spot away essentially, and nobody will take it. 74 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 2: The Reds and the d Backs are still firmly in 75 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: the wildcard picture for the sixth spot at time of recording, 76 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: and the fact that the Cardinals were a mathematical possibility 77 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: up until Game one hundred and fifty nine. It really 78 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: makes you think about what a handful of games could 79 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: have done for this club. You know, if it's not 80 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: fair to look at it this way, but it's it 81 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: also is. I take that back. I think it is 82 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: fair to look at it this way. If the Cardinals 83 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: bumped erk Fetti out of the rotation and replaced him 84 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: with Michael mcgreeby sooner do they win a few more 85 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: games if they didn't stick to Andre Polante once he 86 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: started faltering in the second half, which you know they 87 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: did because of their desire to see him through an 88 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: entire year as a starter. And that is a situation 89 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: that John Mozaeloc said at the beginning of the season 90 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: might happen, that the Cardinals might not put out their 91 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: best option. They might sacrifice that in order to prioritize development. 92 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: It might cost them ballgames. So we were warned that 93 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: that could happen. 94 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: But I digress. 95 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: If this team simply plays better the first two weeks 96 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: of July, does Mozellac keep one of the top free relievers, 97 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: does he keep Hellesley, get rid of Matt's Mayton, does 98 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: he keep one of the other gives them somewhat of 99 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: a chance. I think these are questions that are going 100 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: to haunt the organization as they look at the season. 101 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: I'm not saying the Cardinals deserved to be a playoff 102 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: team this year. 103 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: Ownership in the front office made it very clear that 104 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 2: wasn't the top priority this year. But a couple of 105 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: reverse decisions might have changed their destiny. 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Excludes customers who were 132 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: deemed pre launch. Sign up on for terms at sportsbook 133 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: dot DraftKings dot COM's slash promos. 134 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: Okay, up on the Athletic? 135 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 2: Where is it? That's wrong? That's also wrong? There we 136 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: go third times a charm. You think after a full 137 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,679 Speaker 2: season of doing this, I would have better control over. 138 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: The podcast, but I don't. Up on the Athletic. 139 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: Nolan Arnado said that he will be more open minded 140 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: to trade possibilities this winter and that he will expand 141 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: his trade list. Obviously, he did not disclose those teams, 142 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: but if we reverse back to the off season prior, 143 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: Nolan gave John Mozelak five teams that he would consider 144 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: keyword consider waving his no trade clause for They were 145 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: at the Boston Red Sox, New York Yankees, Los Angeles Dodgers, 146 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: San Diego Padres, and Houston Astros. 147 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: We know how that Tsago went. It's why we are 148 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: still here. 149 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 2: Nolan is prepared for another winter of heavy trade discourse 150 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: this season. Coming into this winter, it feels, at least 151 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: to me, much much more definitive that Nolan Arnado will 152 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: not be a Carden. 153 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: Will come next year. 154 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: Last year, I didn't feel like I felt like it 155 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: was fifty to fifty, and then I believed it was 156 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: going to be seventy five to twenty five. Once Moe 157 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: said that trading Arnada was priority one, two and three, 158 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: are inclined to believe that that's going to happen. 159 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: It didn't. 160 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: But with the new front office coming in and a 161 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: clear clear direction coming in under hind Bloom, who was 162 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: expected to take over pretty much as soon as the 163 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: season ends for the Cardinals, it doesn't make sense to 164 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: keep Nolan. For Nolan, it doesn't make sense to stay here. 165 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: He knows the riding is on the wall. He expects 166 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: to be traded, but he knows in order to make 167 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: that happen, he has to make some concessions based simply 168 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: on the contract and the fact that he just didn't 169 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: play well at the plate this year. The defense is 170 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: still the defense. He's still a Hall of Fame third baseman. 171 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: But if you are a contending team, because Arnatto wants 172 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: to play for contender, you're not going to go pay 173 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: that monster contract. He still has two years over forty 174 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: million dollars remaining on that deal for a guy that 175 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: has a career low and slugging percentage under three fifty 176 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: and has hit just eleven homers this year and knows that, 177 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: so he knows he's going to have to make some concessions. 178 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: Here's what he told me in an interview with The Athletic. 179 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: He said when I asked him if he'll be more 180 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: open minded to the trade process this winter, Nolan said, 181 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: I think I have to be. That's something I'll discuss 182 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: with my agent and my family. I think the discussion 183 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: I'll have with my agent for sure is that the 184 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: list will be different. Yeah, it kind of has to 185 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: be out of fairness. Nolan Arnatto is not the only 186 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: party here that needs to make some concessions. Cardinals' ownership 187 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: has historically declined or refused to take on a substantial 188 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: and of their definition of substantial portion of a contract 189 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: in order to move a player, and in the entire 190 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: history of the Saint Louis Cardinals under the DeWitt era. 191 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: It sounds insane that this organization would pay to move 192 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: a future Hall of Famer off of their roster. 193 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: But we know a multi year rebuild is coming. I 194 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: would expect. 195 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: Fans to have more transparency on what that looks like, 196 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: or I would hope so by the first couple of 197 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: days the off season. So not much I can really 198 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: say yet because the people in charge of the messaging 199 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: aka He and Bloom, have not said anything yet. But 200 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: my hope is that we all have a better clarity, 201 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: a better idea of what this looks like come next week. 202 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: If ownership wants to really prioritize drafting and developing and 203 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: as committing to this multi year rebuild like they said 204 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: that they have, they have to be willing to make 205 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: concessions as well. They have to eat a lot more 206 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 2: money of the contract to move Arnauto. That's just a reality. 207 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: Nolan has to be more open minded to other possibilities. 208 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: Ownership has to take on more money of that contract. 209 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: Otherwise we are sitting here in an absolute mess. Come 210 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, it was this one about as well 211 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: as it could in terms of the player and the 212 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: organization handling this without any drama. There's no way that 213 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 2: is replicated in twenty twenty six. Arnatto has to be moved. 214 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: It's what's best for the player, it's what's best for 215 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: the organization. In order to make that happen, both sides 216 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: have to say, Hey, I need to not be as 217 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: adamant here and I need to make some concessions. I 218 00:09:59,200 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: need to scale back. 219 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: I need to be more open minded overall to this process. 220 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: And no one has said that he would. 221 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: He's also said that he's really hopeful that this off 222 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: season doesn't go the way that it did last offseason. 223 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 2: When you think about the Botch deal, the Astros, the 224 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: fact that he was connected to the Red Sox up 225 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: until Bregman signed. 226 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: Just a lot of drama, a lot of rumors. 227 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: That's natural for that this point of the season, speculation 228 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: rumors kind of drive the entire offseason. But this, this 229 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: is different to me. This both things can be true. 230 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: What the Saint Louis Cardinals are doing, whether it's popular 231 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: or not with the fans right now, is totally your decision, 232 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: and I get it. It's probably what's best for the 233 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: long term. Sustainability of this organization. When I say the 234 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 2: Cardinals are looking to contend, let's scale back the definition 235 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: of contending. By definition, the Cardinals were contending in September 236 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,479 Speaker 2: this year for a wild card birth. 237 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: Were they a good team? 238 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: I don't think any of us would sit here definitively 239 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: and say yes. But by the definition of the word contending, 240 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: they were in it up until the last and they 241 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: had a mathematical chance of sneaking into that wildcard spot. 242 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: The Cardinals don't want to contend that way anymore. Ownership, 243 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 2: the new front office wants to make the Cardinals legitimate 244 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 2: contenders like the status of the Phillies and the Dodgers, 245 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: just obviously not to that level of market. 246 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: Size or payroll. 247 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: But they don't want the goal to be the wildcard 248 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: participation trophy that the Cardinals have had since twenty twenty. Okay, 249 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 2: they want it to be nationally pennant minimum back to 250 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: when the Cardinals and they're twenty ten's, we're doing Cardinal things. 251 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: That's what they want to return the level of contention to. 252 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: So that's going to take time if they're going to 253 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: commit to that multiple years, because it's going to take 254 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: two three four seasons to get there. When you look 255 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: at the overall minor league system and the current players 256 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: on this team, that does not fit into Nolan Arnado's timeline. 257 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 2: He'll be thirty five next year. It's best for him, 258 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: who wants to go play for contender, to go find 259 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 2: a contender to play for. And it's best for the 260 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: Cardinals to offload a thirty four year old third baseman 261 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: and create room four players like JJ weatherhol for Thomas 262 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 2: the JC. Where's Nolan Gorman going to play like? Those 263 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 2: are questions that they hope they'd answered this year but 264 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 2: weren't able to. So they need to move Nolan in 265 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 2: order to make that happen. Long story short, TLDR moving 266 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: to Arnado. It might suck to hear for fans. I 267 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: know he's a fan favorite. He's a Hall of Fame 268 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 2: third baseman. It's what's best for the player, it's what's 269 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: best for the team. But for the things, both of 270 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:18,479 Speaker 2: those things. 271 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: Can be true. So here's the banner that I made 272 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: for the segment that I forgot to put up. We'll 273 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: throw it up there right now. He will expand his 274 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: trade list. 275 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 2: He said there are drastic changes that need to happen 276 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: for me individually and probably with this team. I'm not 277 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: a part of those plans for those changes for the team, 278 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: and that's okay. I understand that. Obviously I could come back. 279 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: That's always a possibility, so I try to understand that. 280 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: But at the same time, it looks like it's best 281 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: to move on. I think the Cardinals agree. Now both 282 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: parties need to ensure that they can actually make that happen, 283 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: all right. Coming up next, we'll discuss Sonny Gray, another 284 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: Cardinals who came to Saint Louis under the pretenses that 285 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: he would be playing winning baseball, and that does not 286 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: look to be the case. He has some interesting comments 287 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: in San Francisco after Wednesday's loss. We'll get right to 288 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 2: after we hear from Fair Harbor. 289 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 4: Ftfam, it's still time for you to check out what 290 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 4: bathing suit you're wearing and why it's not Fair Harbor. 291 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 4: Can we get a little show and tell from Eric 292 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 4: Krats Nice? 293 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 5: I mean, unfortunately, you can't even see all the little intricacies. 294 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 5: We got sharks, we got patterns, we got waves, we 295 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 5: got sailboats. Oh, and they feel super buttery on your skin. 296 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 4: Can you show us the liner so people can understand 297 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 4: how it's different, because I've actually been talking it up. 298 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 4: I was vacation. 299 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 5: I got the Unique Liner too, I got the I 300 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 5: got the Baby Blue John something about it. I don't 301 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 5: know it like it pops. 302 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 4: Head to Fairharbor Clothing dot com slash foul twenty and 303 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 4: use code foul twenty foul two zero for twenty percent 304 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 4: off your order. Once again, that's Fair h A R 305 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 4: B O R Clothing dot com backslash foul twenty for 306 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 4: twenty percent off. Makes use that promo code foul twenty 307 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 4: so they know FT sent you. 308 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: Okay, quick comment about Fair Harbor as they sent me 309 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: a couple of their shorts and I'm obsessed with them. 310 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 2: They're running shorts, super comfortable for all my girlies who 311 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: like to work out but hate running because your shorts 312 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: like kind of right up, These do not. 313 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: I could wear them every day if I could. 314 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: All right, Sonny Gray has a decision to make about 315 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: next year, he said to reporters after Wednesday's loss. His 316 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: final start of the season in that sunny through a 317 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: quality start, three earned runs, two earned struck out seven, 318 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: amassed two hundred strikeouts for the second time in as 319 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: many seasons with the Cardinals, and I want to commend, honestly, 320 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: I want to commend both Sonny Gray and Nolan Arnado 321 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: for their honesty and their candor here. It's so much 322 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: easier for everybody involved when players can just be honest 323 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: about their situations, both their personal ones. 324 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: And the team and just say what we are all thinking. 325 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: They don't have to do that, but both Nolan and 326 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: Sonny have been total pros and would have been del situations. 327 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about what Sonny Gray said. 328 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: I'll pull this article also up at The Athletic when 329 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: he was asked by John dentnem MLB dot com, it 330 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: was a great question with a team basing a rebuild, 331 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: Sonny signing here in free agency before the twenty twenty 332 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: fourth season to win. Obviously in twenty twenty four, after 333 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: that weird year, Sonny said he'd like to stick it out. 334 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 2: That could change now because twenty twenty five was about, 335 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: you know, maybe they can compete. Twenty twenty six is 336 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: going to be like, hey, we're really looking to rebuild here. 337 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: So when Sunny was asked that question, he said, quote, 338 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: just to be frank and honest, I definitely think I 339 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: do have to make a decision. Having said that, whether 340 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: I decide I want to go somewhere, whether that actually happens, 341 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: I still don't have complete control of that. Obviously, I 342 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: have a control of where I don't go. But I 343 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: think I have a decision to make. He went on 344 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: to say, I mean, I'm going to be thirty six, 345 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: it's going to be my fourteenth season, last year of 346 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: my contract. 347 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what that looks like for me yet. 348 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what the future holds for me. 349 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: So I thought that was super interesting because we're all 350 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: thinking it. Sonny Gray like he said, the thirty six 351 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: next year, fourteenth season was brought to Saint Louis to 352 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: be an ACE and hopefully play. 353 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: For a contending team, and that's not what's happened here. 354 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: He said as much. 355 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: He said, I've enjoyed my time in Saint Louis. I 356 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: love the people, but I came here to win. I 357 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: signed here two years ago with the expectation of winning 358 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: and trying to win. That hasn't played out that way. 359 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: I want to win, I expect to win. I came 360 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: here with the expectation to win. He also went on 361 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: to say that he's had conversations with Hein Bloom. He 362 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: knows the direction, he knows what the plan is, so 363 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: it's up time to make that decision. A couple of disclaimers. 364 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: Sonny Gray, as we know, full not trade cost, so 365 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: he's not going to go anywhere just to go anywhere. 366 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: He's also entering the final year of his contract, like 367 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: he said, his heavily backloaded contract. Mind you, Sonny Gray 368 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: will make thirty five million dollars in twenty twenty six. However, 369 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: if he decides to be traded, and my gut feeling 370 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: I've said this for the last couple of months now 371 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 2: is that he will decide that. I'm not worried about 372 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: the Cardinals finding a suitable trade partner. I don't see 373 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 2: this being a Nolan Arnatta situation at all, one because 374 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: this is the most important reason starting pitching is so 375 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: coveted and in such high demand. 376 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: Thirty five million dollars. 377 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 2: For one year of a top quality starting pitcher is 378 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: pretty much where the market is right now. 379 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we might have. 380 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: Different opinions or definitions of the word ace, but Sonny 381 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: Gray is someone that you plug into any team starting 382 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: rotation and he's your top two, so I think they'll 383 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: be able to find a suitable partner what he's looking for. 384 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I've always thought the Braves made sense. 385 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: They're very close Atlanta to his home city in Nashville, 386 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: the Giants. Susan Sluster of the s F Chronicle Reporter, 387 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: there's interest there. Bob Melvin, his manager with the oapwen A, 388 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 2: is still the manager in San Francisco, and Sonny really 389 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: really enjoyed his time in open under Bob Melvin, so 390 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: maybe that's a connection. He has a decision to make, 391 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 2: and when we asked if the direction of the Cardinals 392 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: aligned with what Sonny wants about his decision, he was 393 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: honest and said, I'm not in the right state. 394 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: Of mind to answer that question yet. 395 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 2: Cool fair. As a reporter, I appreciate that. I would 396 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: never want a player to go out and say something 397 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 2: in BS. 398 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: He could have just been like, oh, yeah, I don't know, 399 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. 400 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 2: He said, straight up, I can't answer that year that 401 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: my mind's not there yet. I expect this to be 402 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: decided relatively soon in the off season, and I would 403 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: add Sunny Gray right there with Nolan Arnado on players 404 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: the Cardinals expect to trade in the winter. That opens 405 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 2: up a whole new can of worms as to what 406 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 2: that rotation will look like, I don't have any answers 407 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 2: for you there. 408 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: I really don't know, and I don't think the organization 409 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: does either. 410 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: But they'll be able to clear a lot of money 411 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: from Sonny Gray, and Sonny Gray will get you a 412 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 2: profitable return that could exite this rebuild a little bit, 413 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: because the Cardinals know that a picture like Sunny Gray 414 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: doesn't come on the market via trade very often, and 415 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 2: they can really maximize the return there. So it sucks 416 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 2: as a fan to see these players like Nolan Arnaudo, 417 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: like Sonny Gray ultimately decide to leave. The was the 418 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 2: once proud franchise that kept these kinds of players, that 419 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: these kinds of players wanted to come to. 420 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: We're probably not going to see that narrative for a 421 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: couple of years, and as fans, I'm disappointed. 422 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: I get it, I do, but this is the nature 423 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 2: of the rebuild again, It's not a full tear down, 424 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: though these trades make it seem that way. It's probably 425 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: just what's best for the organization from a payroll standpoint 426 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 2: and from a personnel standpoint, Both of these players were 427 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 2: brought to Saint Louis the expectation. 428 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: To win and that just hasn't happened. 429 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 2: Here one more player that we haven't heard from that 430 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: absolutely fits this bill was Wilson Contreras, who is with 431 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 2: the team in Chicago. 432 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: We saw him today. 433 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: He has said that he will speak to reporters this 434 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: weekend about what his decision will be. If he, like 435 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: like Sunny Gray, would consider waving his no trade clause, 436 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 2: if he, like Nolan Arnatto, will be open minded to 437 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 2: a trade, we don't know yet. 438 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: I do know that he had conversations with Heine Bloom 439 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: in Chicago on. 440 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 2: Friday, so also has a better understanding of what the 441 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 2: future is and what his role could be going forward. 442 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: Both Wilson and Sonny last year were adamant that they 443 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 2: wanted to stay. 444 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: They wanted to what twenty twenty five look like and 445 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: have a. 446 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: Better idea of what the future, long term trajectory of 447 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 2: this franchise would be. 448 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: They got it in twenty twenty five. 449 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: The conversations that him has had with these players, they 450 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: need to believe that this is not going to be 451 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 2: a competitive franchise going forward at least in twenty twenty six, 452 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 2: so decisions to make. Contreras has two years left of 453 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 2: his eighty seven point five million deal that he signed 454 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: before twenty twenty three. He's doue eighteen million and eighteen 455 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: point five million, so that's thirty six point five that 456 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 2: they could clear if he decides to stay. He's proven 457 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 2: that he can be an impact bat, set a career 458 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: high in RBI twenty plus homers. 459 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: Stayed mostly healthy. 460 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: I'm not as convicted that Contrarast will be traded or 461 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 2: wants to be traded, but we'll certainly have more. 462 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: Answers to that by the weekend. 463 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: So that's a wrap from this Friday afternoon edition of 464 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: Cardinal Territory. I'm going to go to Happy Hour in 465 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: Chicago after that game. I think we all need it. 466 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 2: We'll be back Sunday with an end of season breakdown, 467 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: and then I would expect the off season news press 468 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: conferences wrap ups to start almost immediately at. 469 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: Now next week. So you know I got you covered there, 470 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: all right? For yeah, just me here. 471 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 2: This is another episode of Cardinals Territory. Stick in, guys. 472 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: We've got two more games left of the season, and 473 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 2: then I think we will hit the ground running in 474 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: terms of this winter. 475 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for watching. We'll talk soon.