1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Mark mass Show. 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: We're always talking about the decentralized revolution, how the world 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: is changing as we look at through the lens of politics, finance, 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: and technology. Of course, that technology being bitcoin, that decentralized 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: technology that is always changing the world. 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: You know. 7 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: I'd like to bring you some education, some breaking news 8 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: so you know what's going on, and some interesting guests. 9 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: And that's what I have to today. I'm sitting down 10 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: with Spike Cohen. He's returning back to the show. Spike 11 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: was a twenty twenty vice presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party, 12 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: so I wanted to dig into a little bit of politics, 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of technology with bitcoin, and talk about 14 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: what the heck just happened in Argentina. Spike, thanks so 15 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: much for joining me today. 16 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 3: I'm happy to be on, man. Thanks for having me 17 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 3: on again. 18 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: Man, I got to say just real quick too. We 19 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: both spoke at the Freedom Fest in Memphis this year. 20 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: Listening to your talk, that was really cool, Man, you 21 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: really laid it out. I like that. So I just 22 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: wanted to say congrats on that. 23 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, thank you. 24 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: The conference. I would like to see it a little 25 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: bit better I'd like to see more people there for freedom, 26 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: but unfortunately, you know, it is kind of kind of 27 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: is what it is, I guess. But I want to 28 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: talk about what just happened in Argentina, Spike, and I 29 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: want to get your opinion on this, because I saw 30 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: something that I didn't think we would ever see. And 31 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: what am I talking about? Probably, like you, you can 32 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, But you know, democracy is 33 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: sort of a scam, right, tyranny of the minority by 34 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: the majority mob rule. And I've thought that once more 35 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: than half of the population has found out they can 36 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 1: vote themselves more money, they will always vote themselves more money. 37 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: I thought that's how it always be. And yet here 38 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: we have a democracy whatever voted themselves to basically cut 39 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: the government down and probably end a lot of entitlements 40 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: for themselves. I was shocked to see that. What was 41 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: your thought on that? 42 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean the. 43 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: Thing is, Javier Malay, I think can only happen an 44 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: election of a candidate like that can only happen when 45 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: people see the consequences of voting themselves a bunch of 46 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: free stuff. Let's get some perspective here on just how 47 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: bad things are in Argentina. Right now, their official inflation 48 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: rate is one hundred and fifty percent. Between one hundred 49 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: and twenty five and one hundred and fifty percent. That's 50 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: the official one. It's actually probably double that and has 51 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: been that way for several years now. The Argentine peso 52 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: is essentially worthless. The official exchange rate is three hundred 53 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: and fifty pesos to the to one US dollar, but 54 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: it's actually much higher than that, and it's as a 55 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: direct result of both so called left wing and so 56 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 2: called right wing governments, Perinista governments and conservative governments and 57 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: socialist governments who get into office and spend more than 58 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: the last group of government that was in before them. 59 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: And that all came to a head in twenty nineteen 60 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: when they had their market they had a market collapse, 61 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: and the government responded by spending by almost an order 62 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: of magnitude more than they had ever spent before, while 63 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: also introducing capital control to try to control control the 64 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: value of the Argentine pays. And we saw what happened 65 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: as a result of that. Now, you know, the prices 66 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: are more than doubling every year, roughly tripling every year. 67 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: Their economy is completely in the toilet, and then here 68 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: shows up one of their legislators saying I'm going to 69 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 2: eliminate all of this. 70 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: And not only that. 71 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: But he correctly blamed it on the political cast, on 72 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: the politicians who were robbing them blind with their own 73 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: money and causing the economic rumin they were in. And 74 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: by a pretty decidable margin, he beat Sergiol Masa, who, 75 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: by the way, was the economic minister during most of 76 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: this nonsense that's been going on. So this was not 77 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: just an election of a libertarian by one of the 78 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: largest percentages of the voting public in Argentina, but a 79 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: complete repudiation of the economic policy. 80 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: That led up to this. 81 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was pretty interesting who he beat 82 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: and how he was responsible for the economy. And yet 83 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: you know they're like, hey, we don't want that anymore. 84 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: So is it sort of I guess what you're saying, 85 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: And sort of what shocked me. It's sort of like 86 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: you have to hit rock bottom before you want to 87 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: go the other way, Like your your friend that's an 88 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: alcoholic drug addict, and they don't want rehab. And so 89 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: these people for since the forties, really so over sixty years, 90 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: have been voting for more and more and more and 91 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: they finally just realize, okay, like it's not working. We 92 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: have to go. We've hit rock bottom. We have to 93 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: go the opposite way. 94 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 2: I hope that we don't have to hit rock bottom, 95 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: but it certainly helped. It was certainly the I'm not 96 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: sure that a Howavier Mila could have been elected ten 97 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 2: years ago in Argentina, maybe five years ago, but you know, 98 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: he certainly was able to get elected because they have 99 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: hit at pretty darn close to rock bottom. I think 100 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: there are many lessons we can learn here in the 101 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: States and across the country, across the planet on how 102 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: libertarianism can be presented. The reality is Malay does not 103 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: pull punches. He does not try to you know, couch 104 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: libertarianism in relatable terms or anything like that. He's very 105 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: upfront about the fact that the current political system is 106 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: an act of robbery by a political cast that speaks 107 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: to rob everyone blind and benefit from it, and he's 108 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: going to completely undo all of that. He talks about 109 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: how socialism is a failure, representation of failure on every front, 110 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: not just economically, but socially, culturally, and and every aesthetically. 111 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: Even he says in every way he talks about the 112 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: fact that bitcoin is really the return of money back 113 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: to its actual originators, which was the private sector. 114 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: This is a man who. 115 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: In no way tries to water down or you know, 116 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: pand Er in his messaging, and you know, the public 117 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: connected with it. So even if that message couldn't necessarily 118 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: win in other countries or in the US, it certainly 119 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 2: connects far more than someone trying to present libertarianism as 120 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: you know, the best part of being a publican and 121 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: the best part of being a democants none of that. 122 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 2: It is a complete stark change that is necessary and needed, 123 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 2: and the public bought it in Argentina. 124 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the messaging format. You know, one thing 125 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: I'm kind of known for is talking about these cycles 126 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: and sort of how these pendulum swinging back and forth 127 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: and human nature takes things too far and then they 128 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: go back the other way. Right, There's sort of how 129 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: it works. And so you know, we're at this age 130 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: right now of like the millennials and the snowflakes and 131 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: now the wokeism and like, you know, all of that 132 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: that's going on. But yet we're sort of seeing the 133 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: Andrew Tates and the Jordan Peterson sort of rise dramatically, 134 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: rise being the strong opposition to that, if you will 135 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: right stand up, pull yourself by your bootstrap, so to speak. 136 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump sort of embodied that, so to speak, very brash, 137 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: kind of crewe just said, kind of whatever the big bully, 138 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: sort of like what Meila is doing as well. And 139 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: what's interesting is in a time of snowflakes and wocism 140 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: and stuff, you would think that the stuff Meaily is saying, 141 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: such as calling these politicians parasites. He calls them right like, 142 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: you would think that that's not socially acceptable. And today 143 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: people are too weak and frail to deal with that. 144 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: But again back with the taps of the Jordan Peterson's 145 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: of the Trumps, and now Meila is do you think 146 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: back to your point the messaging that this is sort 147 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: of the messaging that people want, and the media is 148 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: trying to suppress it and pretend that we don't. But 149 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: really this is what we need right now. Is that 150 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: the pending back. 151 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: I think this is demonstrating that political correctness or vocism 152 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: or whatever you want to call it has always been 153 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: a paper tiger. It has always only been powerful if 154 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: their accusations against you and their their name calling. 155 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: Against you if you don't, you know, do what they're. 156 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: Telling you to do, if they actually affect you, if 157 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: you're scared of being called a bigot or a racist 158 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: or such and such fobe, if you don't accept their 159 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: narrative as it's ever not just their current narrative, but 160 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: it's ever changing narrative. And what's happening is people are demonstrating. 161 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: Even in the comedy world, you have people like Joe 162 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: Rogan and Dave Chappelle who just flat out and told 163 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: them I'm not I don't care what you say about 164 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: me or what you call me. This is what you know, 165 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: the people want to hear it. And the reality is, 166 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: I think the vast majority of people are think the 167 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: same way they did twenty or thirty years ago. And 168 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: you know, there we're seeing now that this was all 169 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: like a largely a corporate media and government driven campaign 170 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: to try to cow us into fear against saying the truth. 171 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the other thing, and something that I've 172 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: been worrying about for a long time we're kind of 173 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: paying attention to from the political standpoint is like I 174 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: hate using labels, man, but unfortunately this is sort of 175 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: what we have to talk about. But you know, one 176 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: side of the aisle, the left side of the aisle, 177 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: if you will, seems to always be on the on 178 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: the offense. And then maybe the conservative side, I guess, 179 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: because they're trying to conserve, has always been sort of 180 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: on the heels, like and you can't win from a 181 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: defensive position, and so like that's you know, if you're 182 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: boxing or whatever, that's strategy. Let me put my opponent 183 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: on their heels, so to speak. Right, And so the Conservatives, 184 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: the Republicans, the right whatever, has always been in this 185 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: like sort of cowering posture and just trying to defend 186 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: a never ending barrage of attacks. And maybe this immediate 187 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: going back to the messaging is like taking the fight 188 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: back to them. No, you're the ones stealing the money, 189 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: You're the ones that are the parasites. Your policies are 190 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: the ones that have caused us. And it's sort of 191 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: gone from that defensive position to a more offensive position. 192 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: If you just tune in right now, you're listening to 193 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: the Mark mass Show. We're talking about what's going on 194 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: with this libertarian movement across the country. We'll be back 195 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: with more in a minute. Don't go away, be right back, 196 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: all right, welcome back. If you're just tune in, you're 197 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: listening to the Mark mass Show. Sitting down with Spike Cohen. 198 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: He was previously the twenty twenty Libertarian candidate for vice president, 199 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: and we were talking about maybe this shift that's happening 200 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: across the world, and Spike, that's what I want to 201 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: kind of talk about now, maybe this shift that we're 202 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: seeing around the world. I you know, I'm looking for nuance. 203 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just optimistic, but I'm looking for signs, and 204 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: it seems like all across the world, at least the 205 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: West maybe if you will, but maybe the world, we're 206 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: starting to see this kind of pendulum swinging back. Maybe 207 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, Italy, we got Maloney down there, you know, 208 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: we have in Hungary, there's some pushback. Poland is sort 209 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: of on this battleground. But even in nations like France 210 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: and Germany, we're seeing sort of this this swing back. Obviously, 211 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: what's happened down here in Argentina El Salvador is a 212 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: great example. I mean, do you think that's that, is 213 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: that the pendulum starting to swing back or just being 214 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: too hopeful there? 215 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: I think there's always this pendulum swinging back and forth. 216 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: And it starts, as with all things, at the cultural 217 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: and social level, and it works its way downstream to politics. 218 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: The problem is we see and we see it here 219 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: in the States. What happens is when that pendulum swings back. 220 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: And you had kind of talked about this previously. What 221 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: can when we go from progressives to conservatives? The conservatives 222 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: and I think was Michael Malice who first said it. 223 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: Conservatives are basically progressives going to speed limit or or 224 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 2: they're basically they're preserving what aggressives fought to win, say 225 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: ten years prior. And so when the progressives get replaced 226 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: with conservatives and the conservatives do little to nothing to 227 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 2: actually change things and are really fighting this constant defensive battle, 228 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: well then and nothing really improves as a result, it 229 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: swings back to progressives. This is where libertarians can not 230 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: just win, but actually change things because we aren't trying 231 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: to preserve the progressives gains from five or ten years ago, 232 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 2: we aren't trying to go the speed limit. We recognize 233 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: that this entire thing, and this is what Malay is saying, 234 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: this entire thing is a scam. You have a relative 235 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: handful of people who are controlling everything from the top 236 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: and robbing everyone blind to benefit themselves through inflation, through taxation, 237 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: through overregulation, and all of that. And he seeks and 238 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: we seek as libertarians, to completely get rid of all 239 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: of that, or at least to massively reduce it. And 240 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: that is not only a winning message, but when we 241 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: actually do it, then I think the pendulum actually swings 242 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: further in our direction towards people recognizing that was always 243 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: the best way forward and that they need to reject 244 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: all of the statism from the left or the right. 245 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where these labels start to get really messy, 246 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: which is why I hate to use them. The definitions 247 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: have gotten so messed up these days. But you know, 248 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: I think of conservatives as like, if they're trying to 249 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: conserve the principles of the Constitution, like that might be 250 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: something that libertarians would get in line with, right, So 251 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: that would be good. Let's let's conserve the Constitution as 252 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: it was written, not in a living document type of way, 253 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: as opposed to, Hey, let's conserve to your point, what 254 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: the progressives have put forward like a decade ago. So 255 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: I think maybe that's more in line, and that's where 256 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: these labels start to get sort of mixed up. What 257 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: about the Independent Party? So RFK now has jumped on 258 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: the Independent Party. How does the Independent Party and the 259 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: Libertarian Party sort of work together, coexist or differences there? 260 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think anyone who's not a Republican or Democrat, 261 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: even if we even if you have an example like 262 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: the Green Party, where there are things where we are 263 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: polar opposites, we can at least work together on things 264 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: like ballid access. See one of the reasons that Javier 265 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: Malay was able to actually become president was because first 266 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 2: he was able to get elected to the legislature. And 267 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: the only reason he was able to get elected to 268 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: the legislature is because they have in Argentina, they have 269 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: open ballid access and they also have proportional voting. He 270 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: got elected to the legislature with just over seventeen percent 271 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 2: of the vote, and it was from that elected position 272 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: that he was able to build his brand and to 273 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 2: demonstrate what it was he was trying to promote as 274 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: a libertarian. It was from that position. So I think 275 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: that there are many things that Libertarians, Independence, Green Party, 276 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: Constitution Reform Party, you know, every other party can work 277 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: together on to try to break the stranglehold that Republicans 278 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: and Democrats have on the voting system. And to be clear, 279 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 2: it's disenfranchisement from their own perspective, from the status perspective 280 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 2: on voting rights. It's disenfranchisement. If you were telling someone 281 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: that they really only have two choices, and you use 282 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 2: the power of government to all but foresaw every other 283 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: option from even being on the ballot by their own definition, 284 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: that's disenfranchisement, and we should be fighting against them. 285 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: We could certainly work together to do so. 286 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: I was in Amsterdam a month or two ago. I 287 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: spoke at the bigoin Amsterdam conference and I was talking 288 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: to a taxi cab there and he was explaining how 289 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: their government in Holland or I don't know, I grew 290 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: up calling it Holland. They're like, oh, you can't call 291 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: it Holland. It's not Holland. It's the Netherlands. Yeah, Holland 292 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: is a city, right, that's the city. It's not in 293 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: the country. That's the Netherlands. Anyway. It's not about how 294 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: the political party is very I guess decentralized if you will, 295 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: because every time somebody leaves one party, they go create 296 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: another party and he says, you know, he thinks that 297 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: maybe some of the people there think that there's too 298 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: many parties and so they can't ever get enough of 299 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: the vote. And maybe you know, you're only getting fifteen 300 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: percent of the population of populist vote, but yet it's 301 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: the majority. I mean, do you think it gets too 302 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: decentralized at some point like that? 303 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: I think it depends entirely on how you're leg I mean, 304 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: there's so many different factors. There's what kind of voting 305 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: system you're using, There's how your legislature is made up, 306 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: and then there's the real politic reality of coalition building 307 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: and all of that stuff. But generally speaking, I would 308 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: much rather have it where politicians are having to cobble 309 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: together some kind of coalition of the various parties than 310 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: to basically have a two headed unit party that when 311 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: it comes to things like ever increasing debt, ever increasing 312 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: growth of the military industrial complex, ever increasing growth of 313 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: the administrative state, ever increasing taxation and theft, I would 314 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: much rather have. 315 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,119 Speaker 3: If the other extreme is that those. 316 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: Politicians, when they get elected, are now figuring out how 317 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: to cobble together a majority, I'd much rather have that extreme. 318 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: But I think that we don't necessarily have to have 319 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: either extreme. I think that you can still have, you know, 320 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: state based electoral systems, which is what we need to have. 321 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: We can't have a national one. We shouldn't have a 322 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: national one. We're fifty nation states that are confederated together. 323 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 2: But I think that you should also be able to 324 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: have enough really just open access to the ballot and 325 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: to stop funding campaigns. So Republicans and Democrats get hundreds 326 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: of millions of taxpayer dollars to fund their campaigns, their conventions, 327 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: their primaries, and everything else, while the rest of us 328 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: not only don't get any of that, nor do we 329 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: want it, but we have to actually spend our own 330 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: money to fight in court to even be able to 331 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: be on the ballot. All of that needs to end. 332 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: The restrictions to ballot access and the taxpayer funding of campaigns. 333 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: Just eliminating those two things would do so much towards 334 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: allowing non Republicrats to actually be able to win elections. 335 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about ballot access. I was in Texas this 336 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: last week in Texas Blockchain Association, and there was a 337 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: bunch of politicians there. Senator Luma from Wyoming was there, 338 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: and I woke up in the morning, I see the 339 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: headline that in Wyoming they're trying to remove Trump and 340 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: Loomis from the ballot. And I went and I said, hey, 341 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: I just saw this morning they're trying to move you 342 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: from the ballot. She's like, Oh, I guess I'm doing 343 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: something right. But like talk about like, I mean, you're 344 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: trying to literally remove a president, the leading presidential candidate, 345 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: or a senator from your own state from the ballot, 346 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: and that's somehow a protection of a democracy. I mean, 347 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: it's just insane the way they're doing this. I want 348 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: to I want to talk. I want to talk more 349 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: about some of the strategies. I listened to James Lindsay, 350 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: doctor James Lindsay talking about some strategies. That was really good. 351 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: I want to run that by you, sort of the 352 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: scam of politics, if you will. So I want to 353 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: run that by and see what you think about that. 354 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: And I want to talk more about how they were 355 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: able to get meally elected counting votes by hand in 356 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: a single night. I think it was pretty big. And 357 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: then talk about bitcoin. If you're just tuning in you're 358 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: listening to the Mark Mass Show, We're going to cover 359 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: all those topics in a minute. I'm sitting down with 360 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: Spike Cohen, libertarian vice presidential candidate in twenty twenty and 361 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: a wealth of information. So we're going to come back. 362 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: We'll talk about those a couple of subjects in a 363 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: minute after a very short break. Don't go away, we'll 364 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: be right back. All right, Welcome back. If you're just 365 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: tuning in, you're listening to the Mark mass Show. I'm 366 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: sitting down with Spike Cohen, and we are talking about 367 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: a lot of things around what's going on in Argentina 368 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: with the new libertarian of presidential candidate that's down there. 369 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: So I want to talk about this sort of the 370 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: scam of politics, and this is kind of the way 371 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: that I've been starting to think about it, and there 372 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: was really listening to a Jordan Peterson interview with his 373 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: daughter a month or two ago, me kind of changing 374 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: my mind on this, and you're hitting on it, the 375 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: scam of politics sort of like a magic trick. Hey, 376 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: look over there while we do this to you here. 377 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: And you mentioned earlier that we're confederative states. We're a 378 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: republic if you can keep it right, and so fifty 379 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: independent states and so in that the whole nation is 380 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: caught up in this presidential election, and we have been 381 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: since I was a kid. I remember being in elementary 382 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: school asking me who I wanted to be president. Right, 383 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: we're always watching this presidential election and none of that matters. 384 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: What matters is right in front of our face, and 385 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: we're not even paying attention. My city council matters, my 386 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: county supervisor matters, or you know, however that structure in 387 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: your state, my sheriff, my DA, my governor, those matter 388 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: to me. And we're all being you know, misdirected. And 389 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: James Lindsay was talking about he had this really good 390 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: video I'm going to find out put in the show 391 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: notes for everybody listening down below. But he talked about 392 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: a plan to beat the left, and he talked about 393 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: how the left sort of infiltrated the Democrat Party the 394 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: squad and how they kind of came in and he said, 395 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: we can basically take that and build out our own plan. 396 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: And he said, start with your local politics. Can you 397 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: just get one or two because we you know, the 398 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: Republican Party has been taken over by the rhinos, and 399 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: you can fill in the Libertarian Party or whatever you want. 400 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: But like in my county, for example, could we just 401 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: get one or two Republican seats and then could we 402 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: force the other report public conceits to then get rid 403 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: of the rhinos and go with us, and then could 404 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 1: we get enough of them in our district and then 405 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: could we go to the state. But we've talked about 406 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: starting at at the lowest level, and then if you 407 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: win there, then people see see that you're winning, they 408 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: see that movement, and then they can start to rally 409 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: behind that, and then it builds and then I get 410 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: the next level. The next thing, you know, we take 411 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: over the state, and then if we can take up 412 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: the state, then we take over coalition states. And I 413 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: was like, man, that is a dang good idea, because 414 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: what happens is let's focus on the president and then 415 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: we don't get it, and then everyone's defeated and then 416 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: oh why bother? It doesn't even matter. As opposed to 417 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: setting and this is just like goal setting one oh one, right, 418 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: Like set a realistic goal in front of you, achieve that, 419 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: and then move up. And I thought it was just 420 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: genius the way that he broke that down. I mean, 421 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that? 422 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just about verbatim what I've been saying within 423 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: the Libertarian Party for quite some time. You know, there's 424 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 2: one thing that the Libertarian Party nationwide is known for, 425 00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: not winning elections. 426 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 3: The reality is. 427 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: What Vivic said. 428 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: But the thing is we've actually almost despite ourselves. We've 429 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 2: won hundreds of elections, but they're all local elections. But 430 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 2: because we also focus on our presidential candidates and our 431 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: Senate candidates, and our gubernatorial candidates and congressional and candidates 432 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: and so forth, we're seen as the loser party, even 433 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: though we've been winning elections. And not only have we 434 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 2: been winning those local elections, but there's a benefit of it. 435 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: As a result, the people there are happier, they're being 436 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: tax less, the the the the services that are being 437 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: provided are better and far less expensive, and we're able 438 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: to show what libertarian governance actually looks like, and it's 439 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 2: at a fraction of the costs that we spend. Two 440 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 2: looms so and long before the vast majority of people 441 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 2: ever ever consider voting for a Libertarian for the White 442 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 2: House or for their governor's mansion, or for Congress or 443 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 2: anything else, they need to see how it works in 444 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: their backyard, which by the way is our backyard, and 445 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: you are far more likely to be to suffer under 446 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: the tyranny of on a day to day basis of 447 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: your city council or your county council, or your local 448 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 2: share for police department, then you are to suffer from 449 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: anything at the federal level. Right, So it not only 450 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: does the most acute, immediate good, It not only is 451 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: the best use of your resources, and it not only 452 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 2: builds up your stable of elected officials who can eventually 453 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: work their way up to the state and federal level, 454 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: but it also kills the whole narrative that we can't 455 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 2: win and replaces it with not only can we win, 456 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 2: not only can they win, but when they win. When 457 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 2: Libertarians win, we all win. It's not just if Team 458 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: Red or Team Blue one, but America actually won because 459 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: we're freer and benefiting from that freedom. So no, I 460 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 2: am a huge fan of the focus on local, especially 461 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: for the Libertarian Party and other you know, so called 462 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: third parties. That's where we can win and where we 463 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 2: can build up from. 464 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: What about though, like kind of one of the points 465 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: he was making was that you have these two apparatuses. 466 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: You have the Democrat Party of the Republican Party, right, 467 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: that's what they are. The republic or the Democrat Party 468 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: has you know, seemingly kind of been taken over by 469 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: this radical left whatever you want to call them, socialists, 470 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: I mean they are, right, I mean you look at 471 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: the squad what they're doing, Bernie Sanders, I mean, they're socialists. 472 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: They didn't start a socialist party. They took over the 473 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: Democrat Party. And so using that, couldn't the Libertarian Party 474 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: take over the Republican Party? Right? And when I say that, 475 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: I mean the apparatus, right, So you have there's you know, 476 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: the Freedom Caucus guys are probably more in line with 477 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: the libertarian you know, more or less right as opposed 478 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: to the rhinos anyway, right, And so like, could the 479 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: libertarian parties start to infect the apparatus that's already there 480 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: from a local level and starting to kind of get 481 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: these rhinos out that don't agree with that, you know, 482 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: smaller government, less taxation, those types of things, and then 483 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: sort of use the tool that's there, sort of like 484 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: the left has used as opposed to trying to get 485 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: this third party, this Libertarian Party, and then to your point, 486 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: you know, suing to get on ballots and all those things, 487 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: would it be easier just to sort of infect and 488 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: take the apparatus over, just like we saw on the left. 489 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 2: There are many libertarians who are doing that, and to 490 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: those who do that, I say godspeed. I would very 491 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: much like a more libertarian Republican Party, and for that matter, 492 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: of a more libertarian Denic Party, if that's even I'm 493 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: not sure that's even possible, but I certainly anyone who 494 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 2: wants to focus their efforts on that. Also, I'm not 495 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: sure you have to choose between the two. The reality 496 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: is one of the best ways to keep the Republican 497 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: Party as libertarian as possible is the very real threat 498 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: that they will lose votes to a libertarian candidate if 499 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 2: they don't, you know, if they don't deliver. And so 500 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: I think that you can have both. You can have 501 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 2: libertarians who are trying to make the Republican Party more 502 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 2: Republican or more Democrat, and you can also have libertarians who, 503 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: in order to grow that party and help the Republican 504 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: Party become more libertarian, give them that ever present threat 505 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: of losing their votes to the Libertarian Party as a 506 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: result of it, I will say, and we saw this 507 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: with Ron Paul we've seen it with other libertarians who 508 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 2: are a Republican. I do think that there is a 509 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: ceiling that libertarians can reach in either of the major parties. 510 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 2: And here's why and why it didn't do the same 511 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: for the Socialists. The socialists and the status quo uniparty 512 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 2: that runs the country both want a bigger government. They 513 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 2: just argue over how much bigger and what that would 514 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 2: look like, but they both want bigger and bigger government 515 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: that is more and more involved in your life. We 516 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: want the opposite of that. So I think there will 517 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 2: always to some extent as long as this uniparty or 518 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: duopoly or whatever you want to call it, As long 519 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 2: as that establishment exists, there's always going to be a 520 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: bit of a ceiling of just how much we can infiltrate, for. 521 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 3: Lack of a better word, in that. But I may 522 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: be wrong. 523 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: Maybe if libertarians are able to take over the Republican Party, 524 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 2: it will become the libertarian equivalent of what the socialists 525 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: did and the Democrat Party. 526 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 3: And if that's the case of what happens, then that's great. 527 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: Like I said, I think that there is a ceiling, 528 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: But I also think that part of that forcing the 529 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 2: Republicans to be more libertarian or the party to be 530 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 2: more libertarian is to have that ever present threat that 531 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 2: if they don't they if they say they're going to 532 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: be libertarian and then they don't deliver, they're going to 533 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: lose votes to the actual libertarian party. 534 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. I hear what you're saying. I mean, you could 535 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: have a libertarian and I don't even know what a 536 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: Republican is under the Republican name. The ideologies are different. 537 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, though, as posed, like right now, 538 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: the Republican and Democratic Party both want bigger governments, including 539 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: socialists want bigger government as well. Socialists want a bigger 540 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: government apparatus that has more power and control, whereas libertarians 541 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: want less of it. But unless you get maybe to 542 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: this extreme example of Argentina where he's literally starting from 543 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: zero zero based accounting, like let's just burn it down 544 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: and rebuild it, it's maybe we have to maybe more 545 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: whittle it down, and so that maybe is more like 546 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: a process. If you're just tuning in you're listening to 547 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: the Mark mass Show, I'm sitting down with Spike Cohen 548 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: talking about what is going on in Argentina and are 549 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: we seeing a revolution across the world. We'll be back 550 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: with more a minute. Don't go away, We're back, all right, 551 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: Welcome back. If you just tune in, you're listening to 552 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: the Mark mass Show. Sitting down with Spike Cohen. We're 553 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: talking about what's going on in Argentina, the libertarian uprising, 554 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: if you will. We're talking about the scam of politics. 555 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: Now let's get to the money for a minute, Spike. 556 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: So you know, the new president there in Argentina is 557 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: an economist. Some of the legacy media's economn a right 558 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: wing economist wherever they get right wing some whatever attack 559 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: He's an Austrian economist, right, so he believes in sound 560 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: money principles and human action and those types of things. 561 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: He does want to go to a dollar Who does 562 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: want to dollarize the country? Yes, so a lot of 563 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: people that are, you know, maybe hardcore libertarians or freedom 564 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: lovers like, well, wait a minute, he just wants to 565 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: go on the dollar standard. Isn't that the same thing? 566 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: But he's also been pro bitcoin as well, which, of course, 567 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: why wouldn't he. We have two presidential candidates in the 568 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: US on a pro bitcoin platform, but why wouldn't they 569 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: who could run for the land of the free and 570 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,959 Speaker 1: not say you don't have the freedom to choose what 571 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: type of money you want anyway. So he's running for both. 572 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: Like I said, there's criticism though he wants to go 573 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: to the dollarization route. I mean, what's your take on that. 574 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's a matter of perspective. 575 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 2: First of all, he has talked about the fact that 576 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: bitcoin is, for lack of a better word, purest form 577 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: of money. 578 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 3: It is the return of money back to the private 579 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 3: sector where it belongs. 580 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: There has been talked about bitcoin becoming a form of 581 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 2: legal tender in Argentina. But I want to be clear 582 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 2: about this dollarization thing. The dollar, the inflation rate under 583 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: the dollar has been the official rate is by anywhere 584 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 2: from five to eight percent. It's probably more like fifteen 585 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 2: to twenty percent. Argentina's Paso, their inflation rate. Official rate 586 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: has been around one hundred and fifty percent, and it's 587 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 2: probably closer to two or even three hundred percent year 588 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 2: over year. So if you're comparing two fiat currencies, it's 589 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: not even comparable. That the US dollar, comparably speaking, is 590 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 2: far more stable. It's also going to be a lot 591 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: easier for the economy to say okay, for the Argentinian 592 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: government to say, okay, we're going to have to turn 593 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,479 Speaker 2: off our pay so it's a failed experiment. We destroyed it, 594 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 2: and we're going to just replace it with this fiat 595 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 2: currency at least in the interim. That's a more immediately 596 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 2: feasible thing than saying okay, our new official currency that 597 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: we use for everything is bitcoin. So I do believe, 598 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,239 Speaker 2: based on what he has said, and obviously what the 599 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: advisors that are advising him, that all of them are 600 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 2: also Austrian trained, I do think that these steps are 601 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 2: introduction of bitcoin, normalization of bitcoin, introducing it as a 602 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: form of legal tender, like what they did in El Salvador. 603 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 2: But I think an immediate intermediate step to just reduce 604 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 2: the absurdly high inflation that is literally killing people in 605 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: Argentina right now is to switch from their peso, which 606 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: has gone the way of the wem Are republic riche marks, 607 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 2: to the US dollar, which comparatively speaking, is exponentially more stable. 608 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you. I was saying the 609 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: same thing. I think that's a really good intermediate step. 610 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: It's like triage, it like stops the bleeding. Let's just 611 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: get it to like sort of like an inflation like 612 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: we have in the US, and then we can get 613 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: to the next step. We have to do something immediately. 614 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: And as much as I'd like to see a bitcoin standard, 615 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I just don't think it's super 616 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: realistic today. Like, let's just take this first step. I 617 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: think it's I think this very moment. Yeah, yeah, and 618 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: then we can see sort of what's happened in El 619 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: Salvador where they're on the dollar standard, but now they're 620 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: bringing bitcoin in as a reserve currency. You're not reserve 621 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: as a medium exchange, but that's brought in massive amounts 622 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 1: of tourism, investment, capital, businesses, I mean, and it has 623 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: changed in that country very rapidly. So I think it's 624 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: a good intermediary step as well. I've seen some people say, oh, 625 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: he's probably controlled demolition, controlled opposition. His pictures on the 626 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: World Economic Forum website. Have you seen that? 627 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 3: I have seen it. 628 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: So my understanding, and I'm not going to claim to 629 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 2: be an expert on this, My understanding is that his 630 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: involvement with the WEFT the World Economic Forum was that 631 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen he was included on a panel of 632 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 2: economists from Argentina or from Latin America talking about economics 633 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: in Latin America. That's the extent to his involvement. I also, 634 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: my understanding is that they removed his contributions in that 635 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 2: from their website. So it seems like they didn't like 636 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: what he had to say, whatever it was he had 637 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 2: to say, I don't believe from what I've heard and 638 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 2: my understanding, I don't believe he has any other involvement 639 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: other than what ten years ago, nine years ago, they 640 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: invited him to speak on a panel about Latin American 641 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: economics and as a result of that, you know, because 642 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 2: he's he's he has spoken at one of their events 643 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 2: and was a panelist. He has a page on their site, 644 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 2: or you used to have a page on the site. 645 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 2: That's the extent from from the research I've done, which 646 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 2: I will admit has not been exhaustive. But from what 647 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 2: research I've done and what I've seen from others, that's 648 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 2: the only thing I've seen was that he did that 649 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: panel one time, and again apparently they didn't like what 650 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,959 Speaker 2: he had to say because they were they scrubbed him 651 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: from the they've scrubbed any any of what he had 652 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 2: to say from their site, I. 653 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: Seen the same thing. And you know the world like 654 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: my forum is putting everybody's picture on their website, and 655 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: so like, just because they put a picture of you 656 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: on there, doesn't mean that you're pushing their policies. And 657 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: that's what I try to remind people. And I just 658 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: feel that even if maybe that was the case ten 659 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: years ago, anyone that goes on Tucker Carlson and can 660 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: and can recite fa Hayek from memory if you have 661 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: read that enough to have it ingrained enough to be 662 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: able to recite it by memory, like you you believe 663 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: it right, you have the you have an economic side down. 664 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, but I want to this is an important 665 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: point because let's say let's say he's a a WEF 666 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 2: puppet and a CIA operative, you know, a plant by 667 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 2: by the the you know, the the Western establishment. It 668 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 2: is crucial whether he is or isn't. It is crucial 669 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 2: that as libertarians we hold him to account. Sure if 670 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 2: he doesn't deliver like he said he would, if he 671 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: said he was going to do this, but does this instead, 672 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 2: then we need to be the loudest ones in holding 673 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: him to account, because the alternative is if he comes 674 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 2: in and promises to do all these things and then 675 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 2: fails to deliver or does the opposite. Then the the 676 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 2: the narrative from the ruling class, from the corporate media 677 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 2: or the global corporate media and the Western governments around 678 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 2: the world, is libertarianism failed. And so it is crucial 679 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 2: that we be at the forefront of praising him when 680 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: he does what he said he would do and criticizing 681 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 2: him when he doesn't say when he doesn't do what 682 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 2: he said he would do or does the opposite of it. 683 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 2: So whether he is or is not a WEFT puppet 684 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: or a CIA puppet or whatever else, if he's a 685 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 2: true believer or not, it is crucial that we hold 686 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 2: him and anyone else that is under our ban or 687 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 2: even more accountable than we would hold anyone else because 688 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 2: this is, for lack of a better word, our brand. 689 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 2: Anything does the wrong thing and it fails and he 690 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 2: does it under our brand, then you know the libertarian 691 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 2: brand is going to suffer writ large. So it's important 692 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 2: that we hold him accountable. 693 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have about two minutes left. I have another question, 694 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if you really have got into 695 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: it this deep into the economic side, but Argentina does 696 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: have a trade deficit of about a billion dollars or 697 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: about four hundred billion dollars in debt. How do they 698 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: dollarize with that type of a trade deficit, you know, 699 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: when they lose ability to control their own money without 700 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: taking on even more debt and sinking. Do you I 701 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: think that maybe by stripping all this government bloat they 702 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: can unleash economic activity and kind of grow their way 703 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: out of it or have you thought about that? Yeah? 704 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 2: I think that's the plan, is to so strip down 705 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 2: government that they can, like you said, grow their way 706 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: out of it. I think there's also going to be 707 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 2: some haggling to try to you know, and this is 708 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 2: where a lot of Libertarians are going to get upset. 709 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 2: He's going to have to haggle with the ims. He's 710 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 2: going to have to haggle with his creditors, right like 711 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 2: he came in and inherited this massive and I'm not 712 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 2: making excuses, but the reality is he is going to 713 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 2: have to He can't simply say, okay, all debt is gone, 714 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 2: all you know, we have completely you know, clean splate. 715 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 2: This is Argentina day zero. He's coming into a reality 716 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 2: that was created before him and so there's going to 717 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 2: have to be haggling, there's going to have to be 718 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 2: working these things out. But I do think the overarching 719 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: plan is to massively reduce government and introduce the kind 720 00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 2: of pro commerce incentives and pro trade incentives that set 721 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 2: the Argentinian economy on fire and you know, cause massive 722 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 2: amounts of growth that will allow them to grow out 723 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: of this, which will include massive tax productions. 724 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 3: It don't have. 725 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's such a great viewpoint. You know, 726 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: there's the world that we want to be in the 727 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: Heaven Island, and then there's the world that we're in 728 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: Hell Island, and we have to build a bridge to 729 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: get there, right, And so, I mean, the debt is 730 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: what the debt is. He's gonna have to work it out. 731 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: You can't just magically get past this and back to 732 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: kind of even this going going to the dollar first. 733 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: It's like, this is a process. If you're just tuning, 734 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,919 Speaker 1: you're listening to the Mark Ma Show, I've been sitting 735 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: down with Spike co and talking about the revolution in 736 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: the air that's happening down in Argentina. That's what I 737 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: got today. Thanks so much for listening.