WEBVTT - Ep. 632: Putting Up Coyotes

0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:13.320
<v Speaker 1>If this is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,

0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.599
<v Speaker 1>bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listeningcast, you can't

0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.040
<v Speaker 1>predict anything. The Meat Eater Podcast is brought to you

0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.520
<v Speaker 1>by First Light. Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands,

0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.880
<v Speaker 1>or scouting for el, First Light has performance apparel to

0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.960
<v Speaker 1>support every hunter in every environment. Check it out at

0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.199
<v Speaker 1>first light dot com. F I R S T L

0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I T E dot com. Welcome to the show today.

0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Krinn is among other things, well, no, she's only doing

0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.040
<v Speaker 1>one thing. Among other things that will happened on today's

0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.320
<v Speaker 1>show is Krinn. You will be able to listen to

0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Karinn unless you're on YouTube that you can watch it happen.

0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Does she got a camera at her phil? Yeah, you'll

0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.320
<v Speaker 1>be able to listen to and or watch krinn less.

0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Her first coyote huge flaws?

0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Is that like a homemade Ulu?

0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.600
<v Speaker 1>There the homemade Who I did not make this. I'll

0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.400
<v Speaker 1>tell you about it in a minute. Uh, Trien, did

0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:15.679
<v Speaker 1>you grow up calling them coyotes?

0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:17.840
<v Speaker 3>Wiley?

0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now that you've got one, you'll switch. I found

0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:26.520
<v Speaker 1>that people, Yeah, people that say coyote have likely gotten one,

0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.120
<v Speaker 1>and people that say coyote, haven't.

0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:33.319
<v Speaker 4>I say coyote? Does that track?

0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I code switch? There's a number of tools here that

0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:43.120
<v Speaker 1>she's gonna be doing in my she's gonna I'm reluctant

0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.520
<v Speaker 1>to let her use this. This is a a dexter.

0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.560
<v Speaker 1>This is an assemble draw knife or flashy knife people.

0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, you might call it necker knife. This is

0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:54.200
<v Speaker 1>a good way for you to put a hole in that.

0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.160
<v Speaker 1>But I'm gonna let you use the backside. So this

0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:04.600
<v Speaker 1>is your cutting edge. Okay, this is your pushing edge.

0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.920
<v Speaker 1>You're allowed to use the pushing edge. The cutting edge

0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:09.560
<v Speaker 1>you'll have to spend more time figuring out on.

0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.959
<v Speaker 5>And for listeners, it's a sixteen inch blade with a

0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:14.560
<v Speaker 5>draw knife, handles at both sides.

0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Yourself, yourself a new mental tape.

0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Kind of looks like a machete with a handle on

0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:21.560
<v Speaker 2>both ends.

0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Don't boom. It's like a ninja sword. Yeah, it's a

0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.600
<v Speaker 1>ninja sword. Cut it in half and put a handle

0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.320
<v Speaker 1>on the other end of the blade. M hm, katana

0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Is that what they call them?

0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.400
<v Speaker 5>Oh that's the traditional yeah, yeah, curved blade.

0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, I highly recommend for parents speaking of ninja swords.

0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Is nunchucks. No, man, we have more fun throwing stars.

0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:48.119
<v Speaker 1>We buy ninja throwing stars. You can't buy them on Amazon.

0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:50.920
<v Speaker 1>You have to go to ninja supply houses. But we

0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.560
<v Speaker 1>go to online ninja supply houses and buying ninja throwing stars.

0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:55.760
<v Speaker 1>There is nothing more fun.

0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever make them out of sheet metal?

0:02:58.680 --> 0:02:59.000
<v Speaker 4>Class?

0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:01.720
<v Speaker 1>You never could make anything that was as good as

0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:02.320
<v Speaker 1>what you can buy.

0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.120
<v Speaker 6>Still fun, but kids safe ones at Costco. Now there

0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:06.840
<v Speaker 6>throwing stars?

0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.360
<v Speaker 2>No, sorry, Were they made out of belcrow or something?

0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:12.959
<v Speaker 6>I couldn't tell you what they're made out of?

0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:13.880
<v Speaker 4>Little plastic.

0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.000
<v Speaker 6>If it's not a throwing star, I'm talking eight in

0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:19.799
<v Speaker 6>the shape of a star.

0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:24.720
<v Speaker 1>We like seven and eight point four star ninja throwing star.

0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.520
<v Speaker 1>A four point ninja throwing star means that halftime it

0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.480
<v Speaker 1>don't do anything. You get an eight point ninja throwing star,

0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:32.880
<v Speaker 1>that's some bitch is gonna stick.

0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.760
<v Speaker 2>You're a big block of wood, big round of wood

0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:36.080
<v Speaker 2>out here.

0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. We took a big slab of cottonwood and I

0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.200
<v Speaker 1>hung it from chains. So you know, like a swing

0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:46.760
<v Speaker 1>set has those angle the supports like saw leg style things.

0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:51.120
<v Speaker 1>I put a s or an eyebowlt up on that

0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.920
<v Speaker 1>on the on the saw horse legs of the swing set.

0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I put an eye bowl so I could suspend a

0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.680
<v Speaker 1>cottonwood stump. They dry out and fall apart, but you

0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.480
<v Speaker 1>put that cotton would stump up. And then next very

0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:08.320
<v Speaker 1>important step that is such horseshit. Yeah, what come.

0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:08.880
<v Speaker 2>On, kids?

0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Safe? It's like a nerf bow. Yeah. So no. The

0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.159
<v Speaker 1>next step that's very important is you take all these

0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.080
<v Speaker 1>throwing stars you just purchased, and you spray paint them

0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:22.159
<v Speaker 1>blaze orange.

0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.320
<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna ask if you had any get

0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:25.479
<v Speaker 2>sucked up in your line.

0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.520
<v Speaker 1>It's like M I A and it's blaze orange.

0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.400
<v Speaker 5>Oh you don't like put up a carpet backstop or something.

0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:35.640
<v Speaker 1>No, I paint them blaze orange. One. I don't. I'll

0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.880
<v Speaker 1>never understand what happened to it. We've taken the metal detector.

0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.760
<v Speaker 1>We can't find it. Blaze orange Ninja throwing star missing.

0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:45.320
<v Speaker 5>Did they practice from different positions, you know, like kneeling?

0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.240
<v Speaker 1>No, I've showed them. You know, we do it like

0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.480
<v Speaker 1>you hold it like you're pinching it between your thumb

0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and the main knuckle on your forefinger. And I was

0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.440
<v Speaker 1>telling them that in Ninja movies. I don't really know

0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.080
<v Speaker 1>what the move is, but they kind of got like

0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.000
<v Speaker 1>a they do. They're like they kind of got like that.

0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.120
<v Speaker 1>It's like they're doing it. I don't know, they got

0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:04.080
<v Speaker 1>their fingers out.

0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.360
<v Speaker 4>Spiderman Stuck's like this. It's like, yeah, they're like they're

0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.440
<v Speaker 4>they're like palming it almost, and then they.

0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.520
<v Speaker 1>Is that what they're doing? Yeah, I don't know how

0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh they're palming it.

0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.839
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then it's sort of like a frisbee move.

0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:20.279
<v Speaker 4>I think like a discus yeah, or there's between the fingers,

0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.120
<v Speaker 4>but I think that's more for style than substance.

0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I remember there was a ninja movie and they

0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.400
<v Speaker 1>when they're training, they had that string with a weight

0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.320
<v Speaker 1>on the end, and you'd have to pin that string. Man.

0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:33.560
<v Speaker 1>But the problem is, you're never gonna kill anybody with

0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:35.320
<v Speaker 1>a ninja throwing star. And this is coming from a

0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:36.200
<v Speaker 1>guy that owns something.

0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.360
<v Speaker 2>The old movie is just like dude would get hit

0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:39.719
<v Speaker 2>and he'd just fall over dad.

0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.480
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, right in the chest. What would really happen

0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.320
<v Speaker 1>if you hit someone with the ninja throwing star? They're

0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:49.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna go, oh, that's probably what I've got a one

0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:54.760
<v Speaker 1>inch cut. I love what else? The other two we

0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.239
<v Speaker 1>have here. Tyler Friel, who's been on the show before,

0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:02.240
<v Speaker 1>made this Ulu knife. You know, it's cool as ship.

0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.279
<v Speaker 1>So I'm hold up with Ulu knife right now. He

0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.599
<v Speaker 1>made he said it an antler single bevel.

0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:10.200
<v Speaker 7>Man.

0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.800
<v Speaker 1>We we're this project I'm working on that. I haven't

0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.680
<v Speaker 1>been able to talk about what it is. We were

0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:21.040
<v Speaker 1>We actually filmed with Mett and Aaron from the Kent

0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:27.760
<v Speaker 1>State Archaeological Experiment Lab. And he made an Ulu with

0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:32.720
<v Speaker 1>an obsidian blade. And you see that and hold that

0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:36.159
<v Speaker 1>in your hand, and you immediately understand the evolution of

0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:36.800
<v Speaker 1>the Ulu knife.

0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't it have a handler, It's just a chunk of rock.

0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.440
<v Speaker 1>It's got the same handle and betted into it as

0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:46.320
<v Speaker 1>a big obsidian blade. And you're like, oh, that's where

0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Ulus came from. One hundred percent. Man Krim might be

0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.039
<v Speaker 1>using this Ulu. I don't know. I don't know what

0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.360
<v Speaker 1>she's what. I don't know what. You're not going to

0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:59.600
<v Speaker 1>get that off, matter, don't take that off. Don't take

0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.720
<v Speaker 1>it off. Let me explain. Let me explain where we're

0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:08.520
<v Speaker 1>at on this kyote fleshing project. Uh I okay. Stu

0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Miller the fur handler and trap er. Stue Miller, I

0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:15.520
<v Speaker 1>fleshed cool or I fleshed some kyotes with Stew Miller.

0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:22.679
<v Speaker 1>Stu Miller traps in southern Illinois. He fleshes his kyotes down, clean, clean, clean,

0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:28.840
<v Speaker 1>down to the leather. I was curious about how like

0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.240
<v Speaker 1>cause I hear different ways and like Mercer Longing would

0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.680
<v Speaker 1>not flesh them all the way down. I asked Mercer,

0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I said, how clean do does when you send it

0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.080
<v Speaker 1>into a tannery? Not for the fur trade, but you

0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:41.600
<v Speaker 1>do it the same way, so this is fur trade

0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.840
<v Speaker 1>or not? Well, as we're talking, you can they see

0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.000
<v Speaker 1>that kyote that's on that board. Yeah, that that kyut

0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.840
<v Speaker 1>on the board for instance, that would that's prepared in

0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:53.920
<v Speaker 1>a way that it would be suitable for the fur trade,

0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.240
<v Speaker 1>or it would go to a tannery just like that

0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.520
<v Speaker 1>off the board. And I asked Mercer, I'm like, hey,

0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.200
<v Speaker 1>how if you're if you're sending the kyote to the tannery,

0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.520
<v Speaker 1>how clean do you flesh it? And he had the

0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:10.040
<v Speaker 1>brilliant idea of he said, why don't you call the tannery?

0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.400
<v Speaker 1>HM never would have occurred to me. I called the tannery.

0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:20.119
<v Speaker 1>I said, how do you like coyotes? They said, excess fat,

0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:26.040
<v Speaker 1>excess muscle, and did they give you I knew what

0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:27.680
<v Speaker 1>they meant, Well, what do they mean?

0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.280
<v Speaker 2>What I'm having heard now, I'm saying, like why did

0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:32.640
<v Speaker 2>they prefer them that way?

0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.560
<v Speaker 1>So you don't overdo it? I think that you're that

0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.080
<v Speaker 1>you're taking it all off. And now they have these wheels,

0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.720
<v Speaker 1>these kind of like they have these wheels that they

0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:43.840
<v Speaker 1>can thin the leather with anyways if they need to.

0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.640
<v Speaker 2>But there's got to be other critters where you're trying

0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:46.880
<v Speaker 2>to get.

0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:51.840
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of stuff that's clean. A raccoon is clean, right, yeah,

0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.719
<v Speaker 1>like a muskrat. You leave the saddle, like right now,

0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.360
<v Speaker 1>krim's on the saddle. Pinch that little thing there.

0:08:57.880 --> 0:08:59.520
<v Speaker 3>It feels like it's not doing anything.

0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.080
<v Speaker 1>That's like a saddle. Just cut the take take the

0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:07.040
<v Speaker 1>take this flat tail, the final tool a m CAC

0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.280
<v Speaker 1>flattail made by a man who sat right where Brody's

0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.920
<v Speaker 1>sitting one time. Take the flat tail and cut that

0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.000
<v Speaker 1>way like you're like you're cutting the diaphragm out of

0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.720
<v Speaker 1>deer and you're gutting it. That's kind of a weird

0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:20.720
<v Speaker 1>way you're doing that.

0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:22.200
<v Speaker 3>Do you want to.

0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.280
<v Speaker 1>You got it? You got it. That's the saddle on

0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.840
<v Speaker 1>a muskrat, you leave the saddle on. On a mink,

0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:31.679
<v Speaker 1>you leave the saddle on, and a red fox you

0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.240
<v Speaker 1>leave the saddle on, and a raccoon the saddle comes off.

0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:40.599
<v Speaker 1>Beaver clean, nothing gets left on. And a kyo. I

0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.760
<v Speaker 1>think they used to do them clean, but they told

0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.920
<v Speaker 1>me don't do it clean. H So that little membrane there,

0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:48.480
<v Speaker 1>but you see down when she gets down by the

0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.600
<v Speaker 1>the teats, that's a female, right. Oh, she just put

0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:53.280
<v Speaker 1>a damn hole in it.

0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.400
<v Speaker 4>No, not yet, not yet, okay, damn it.

0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Excess fat and excess meat cameras are a This is

0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.640
<v Speaker 2>the worst case scenario for someone doing this to a

0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:04.679
<v Speaker 2>kaya for the first time.

0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.599
<v Speaker 4>Oh so a lot of pressure. Oh, you at the

0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.480
<v Speaker 4>table and three cameras pointing thet here.

0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.760
<v Speaker 1>The Meat Eater Cyber Monday sale. This is your last chance.

0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:16.880
<v Speaker 1>This is your last chance to take advantage of the

0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Cyber Monday sale first like FHF gear Phelps, game calls,

0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Dave Smith decoys, and the Meat Eater store. Uh okay,

0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:32.160
<v Speaker 1>it shuts off at eleven fifty nine PM. What time

0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:35.360
<v Speaker 1>zone like if you're gonna get that specific, Oh, it

0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.280
<v Speaker 1>probably rolls. It probably rolls.

0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, And Hey, Kret, you've got no mics. You

0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:42.839
<v Speaker 4>gotta use your outside voice whenever you say it.

0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I think it would on your IP address soon now

0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:52.679
<v Speaker 1>eleven fifty nine tonight. Don't be trying to shop at

0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:58.800
<v Speaker 1>midnight too late fifty up to fifty percent off until

0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:02.320
<v Speaker 1>eleven fifty nine tonight. I would like I challenged someone

0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.320
<v Speaker 1>to try and make a purchase at eleven fifty nine

0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.200
<v Speaker 1>and thirty seconds and bye.

0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.880
<v Speaker 5>And by tonight we mean December second?

0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Is that what this is?

0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:13.319
<v Speaker 4>Correct?

0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.240
<v Speaker 6>Monday to December second, Monday.

0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:19.640
<v Speaker 1>December mountain time, up to fifty percent off First Light gear,

0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:25.000
<v Speaker 1>So like yeah, first Light Gear, FHF Gear, Felts, game calls,

0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Dave Smith decoys. Go to first light dot com and

0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.880
<v Speaker 1>do all your shopping there. Have you covered our tools? Yeah,

0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.760
<v Speaker 1>we got the uber knife, we got the flat tail.

0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:36.800
<v Speaker 2>What's that black handle thing there?

0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Oh little honer, I got you, little honer. So

0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.240
<v Speaker 1>does that a lot of feedback? This is one of

0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.440
<v Speaker 1>those things that continues. Oh, I was gonna say something

0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:51.600
<v Speaker 1>else that was gonna talk about.

0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Was it as tombots, no trapping, our first stuff, don't

0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:00.320
<v Speaker 2>show up.

0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.080
<v Speaker 1>At eleven fifty nine, don't shop at eleven fifty nine.

0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.480
<v Speaker 4>No, don't get them wet, don't feed them.

0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:11.240
<v Speaker 5>After, don't take too much stuff off the coyote, the saddle.

0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.560
<v Speaker 6>Ft up shitters calendars.

0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.920
<v Speaker 1>No, Cory's a great calendar. Corey is a good company man. Here,

0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.320
<v Speaker 1>it's a great calendar. There. Dale was talking about it,

0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.280
<v Speaker 1>and I dreamt up about the calendar with Santa Claus

0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:24.520
<v Speaker 1>in it.

0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:27.440
<v Speaker 6>I might have to walk that one up the ladder

0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:28.120
<v Speaker 6>if you're cool with that.

0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:32.280
<v Speaker 1>No, it's a phenomenal idea. Yeah, Randalls needs to play Santa.

0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I would love to.

0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.439
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, perfect, I would love to consider it done.

0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.120
<v Speaker 1>On a recent episode, we got the feedback keeps coming.

0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I remember there was a there's been other subjects in

0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.880
<v Speaker 1>the history of the show where where it just kind

0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:49.360
<v Speaker 1>of kept going, you know, you like, you cover something

0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.920
<v Speaker 1>and then there's feedback, and you cover the feedback, and

0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:53.040
<v Speaker 1>then the feedback gets.

0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Feedback, sometimes for years, and the feedballbrates.

0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.960
<v Speaker 1>It becomes what might be called a feedback loop of feedback,

0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:03.880
<v Speaker 1>and it never ends, and then I'll say this is it,

0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.400
<v Speaker 1>and then a while later we'll cover it more and

0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:11.200
<v Speaker 1>eventually it'll die. So here we go again. On the

0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:17.240
<v Speaker 1>show we covered pre chewing food for your children, in

0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.560
<v Speaker 1>particular that when our kids, we have three of them,

0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.720
<v Speaker 1>when our kids would get to be nine months old,

0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.439
<v Speaker 1>I would chew up deer meat and I'd give them

0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.280
<v Speaker 1>the chewed up deer meat and they would eat that,

0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.320
<v Speaker 1>and I would say his first thing ever was that

0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.440
<v Speaker 1>deer meat or something to that effect. And we were

0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:38.480
<v Speaker 1>talking about pre chewed deer meat, and uh, we had

0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:43.440
<v Speaker 1>follow up from Dirkin Pat Durkin talking about eating pre

0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.480
<v Speaker 1>chewed meat. Our kids all eate pre chewed meat. And

0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:53.040
<v Speaker 1>we have some feedback, including feedback from a a dds.

0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.880
<v Speaker 1>What does that mean, doctor Rental, it's a dentist actually.

0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Doctor of dentals, surgery science.

0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh do you know Dennis all kind of stick together

0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.920
<v Speaker 1>in a weird little way. Well, I mean, does that

0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.400
<v Speaker 1>surprise doctor of dental. Do you guys remember when we

0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.800
<v Speaker 1>had it My Dennis came on the on the show. Yeah,

0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:15.440
<v Speaker 1>great guy that goat killer, Yeah mountain Maybe I have

0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the only dentnis in America who's killed ten mountain goats. Well, well,

0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.120
<v Speaker 1>because he grew up in Southeast Alaska, they'd get off

0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:26.040
<v Speaker 1>school and go goat hunting. It's like, yeah, like why

0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.360
<v Speaker 1>you might go like hunt for an evening for white tails.

0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:33.160
<v Speaker 1>When he was growing up, you'd go hunt goats after school. Uh,

0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.240
<v Speaker 1>only Dennis in America like that. He came out on

0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.000
<v Speaker 1>the podcast. I can't remember if he won. He did well, Yeah,

0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:42.560
<v Speaker 1>he won. I believe he won in overtime. Actually, and

0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:46.360
<v Speaker 1>he just fixed my daughter's hockey helmet. Really, it's like

0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.440
<v Speaker 1>he's trying to one up me. Did he six another

0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:51.480
<v Speaker 1>man's daughter's hockey?

0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.200
<v Speaker 5>Did he have to use a particular dental instrument to

0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:54.480
<v Speaker 5>do that?

0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Or is he just a helmet guy? He texted me

0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:58.720
<v Speaker 1>and let me know he fixed.

0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.560
<v Speaker 4>My daughter's Steve, you know, Yeah, and he's also a doctor.

0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.160
<v Speaker 4>And then we know how Steve feels about that.

0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he's all built up now. He thinks he's

0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.480
<v Speaker 1>the man. Yeah, he's a doctor. He's a dentist. He

0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:11.840
<v Speaker 1>fixed my daughter's hockey helmet. Keep your hands off my

0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:12.840
<v Speaker 1>daughter's hockey helmet.

0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.120
<v Speaker 6>Did he first say something was wrong with the helmet? Like, hey,

0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:16.600
<v Speaker 6>let me see that helmet, something's wrong with it.

0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.480
<v Speaker 1>We've been aware of a slight problem with her helmet

0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:22.720
<v Speaker 1>for a year, okay, missing a screw that holds the

0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.960
<v Speaker 1>face mask on. I always think I'm going to replace

0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.480
<v Speaker 1>that screw and then once he tried to one up me,

0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I did. I went and replaced it last night, and

0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I asked him if he wanted his screw back, and

0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.520
<v Speaker 1>he texted me that the dot, to which I followed up,

0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.040
<v Speaker 1>you guys want to come for dinner on Monday, and

0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:36.720
<v Speaker 1>he said he does.

0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:37.880
<v Speaker 7>Great.

0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:39.400
<v Speaker 3>I think he was saving you money.

0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Then you guys can have your little argument about it.

0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take him aside and I'm gonna be like,

0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.080
<v Speaker 1>what's you trying to fix my docter's hockey helmet?

0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.600
<v Speaker 5>You make a nicer dinner than he made the last.

0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:51.120
<v Speaker 3>Time she gets into an accident. Her jaw is coming

0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.640
<v Speaker 3>off her face, so he can see.

0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.480
<v Speaker 2>That that was graphic.

0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's true. You see that he wouldn't fix it,

0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.360
<v Speaker 1>hoping that something bad would happen. Problem.

0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:08.320
<v Speaker 5>It's like it's like a collision repair guy. You know, hey, hey,

0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.920
<v Speaker 5>you ought to replace those tires if he was unscrupulous

0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:12.920
<v Speaker 5>to just leave it alone.

0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.000
<v Speaker 1>But now I'm starting to like the guy again. I

0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.400
<v Speaker 1>liked him before I got all wound up on this subject.

0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Now back to liking them. Tighten your love nuts. So

0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.600
<v Speaker 1>the hell was I saying, oh, how they stick together?

0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.040
<v Speaker 1>So he came out on the podcast and we just

0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.320
<v Speaker 1>point out he's a dentist. He's on the podcast, Well

0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:37.040
<v Speaker 1>guess what other dentists contact him to offer him hunting permissions.

0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.520
<v Speaker 1>It's like a little like dentist, like.

0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:47.040
<v Speaker 5>I've not heard from a history PhD offering anything of value.

0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.640
<v Speaker 1>He got hunting, Yeah, he gets you got hunting invites.

0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.600
<v Speaker 1>He got hunting invites off it for being a dentist.

0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.320
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty solid because you know what they're like. You

0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.160
<v Speaker 1>know what, buddy, I understand. All we do is make

0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.640
<v Speaker 1>children cry. Why don't you come out and hunt my place?

0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.680
<v Speaker 1>You know they've been through it together. Anyways, a guy

0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.800
<v Speaker 1>wrote in a d a dentist rode in given his

0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.399
<v Speaker 1>two cents on pre chewed food, and he was pointing

0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:14.800
<v Speaker 1>out would seem to me to be totally reasonable. He

0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.639
<v Speaker 1>was pointing out that the quicker you can get a

0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:24.200
<v Speaker 1>little kid chewing chewy foods, not super processed ultra processed foods,

0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.280
<v Speaker 1>which are all if you think about ultra processed foods,

0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.680
<v Speaker 1>are all soft chewing, real whole foods. That's a two

0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.439
<v Speaker 1>handed draw knife.

0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.320
<v Speaker 3>I just don't want I'm being.

0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:41.680
<v Speaker 1>So down pre chewed foods. He was saying that you

0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.240
<v Speaker 1>got that. A child. He was saying, a child needs

0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:48.199
<v Speaker 1>to needs to have resistance training in his jaw the

0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.440
<v Speaker 1>same way that you get you know, other exercise muscles.

0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:53.840
<v Speaker 1>So he said, the quicker you get your child resistance

0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.879
<v Speaker 1>training is jaw. He'll get a beefy good jaw. And

0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.280
<v Speaker 1>as people switch to those little tubes that you squeeze

0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.520
<v Speaker 1>your food out of which their consumption has gone up

0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.480
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred percent. We were pointing out, but Brody pointed out,

0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:10.480
<v Speaker 1>anything that gets invited, anything that gets invented, has seasoned

0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:14.520
<v Speaker 1>explosion and growth because it didn't wasn't there before. Like

0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:16.920
<v Speaker 1>cell phones, Yeah, there's.

0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.840
<v Speaker 5>Been said skyrock nineteen fifties.

0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and when it came out with those shoes that

0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:29.600
<v Speaker 1>have five toes on them, usage skyrocket, yeah, eight hundred percent,

0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:35.640
<v Speaker 1>among other things. Uh So he had that say. Now

0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.480
<v Speaker 1>another guy wrote in and he's trying to okay, he

0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:40.320
<v Speaker 1>says this, I'm just gonna let him speak for himself.

0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.680
<v Speaker 1>In episode six twenty, this is from a gentleman named

0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:49.560
<v Speaker 1>matt Matthew. Matthew says, hi, me eater. In episode six

0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty A Max Care that was the That was the

0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:56.560
<v Speaker 1>dds's name. Letter was referenced in the discussion regarding pre

0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:03.000
<v Speaker 1>chewed food as Matt flaunted his DDS. I feel obligated

0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:09.119
<v Speaker 1>to mention that I am an exercise physiologist and nutritionist together.

0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:09.439
<v Speaker 3>Is that?

0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Do they get PhDs? What does that mean? I get

0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.040
<v Speaker 1>one of those? I don't know how you credential that?

0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Can you look it up? Like I just could I

0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:20.800
<v Speaker 1>have one by the end of the day. No, I

0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.080
<v Speaker 1>don't think so. I'm guessing it's probably a master's degree.

0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:29.240
<v Speaker 1>Well's he is, he's an exercise physiologist nutritionists. He goes on,

0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.840
<v Speaker 1>he is very unhappy with what this guy said. He

0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.800
<v Speaker 1>goes on. The idea that a baby needs resistance training

0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:44.480
<v Speaker 1>for the jaw for appropriate mandibular development is like saying

0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:46.760
<v Speaker 1>they need to do push ups so they can crawl

0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:56.000
<v Speaker 1>on time. For nearly all healthy infants, this is continuing

0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:59.720
<v Speaker 1>the letter. For nearly all healthy infants, their rate of

0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:02.199
<v Speaker 1>deve development all gets washed out by the time they

0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:06.680
<v Speaker 1>are too It's just silly fear mongering that folks use

0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.760
<v Speaker 1>to support their ideology and sell whatever they are selling.

0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Probably the most flawed of these is the statement that

0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:23.439
<v Speaker 1>breastfeeding is superior to formulating. Controversially, yeah, I have a

0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:28.359
<v Speaker 1>feeling this feedback. I've heard the breast snugly, that's true,

0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.959
<v Speaker 1>he goes on. Probably the most flawed of these is

0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:37.360
<v Speaker 1>the statement that breastfeeding is superior to formula. Funny, how

0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:42.080
<v Speaker 1>funny How he neglects to mention the millions of lives

0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:47.520
<v Speaker 1>saved by the advent of formula. These correlations are drawn

0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:52.320
<v Speaker 1>from the predominance of poor nutrient profile in most commercial formulas.

0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:57.160
<v Speaker 1>They are not causal in any way. For example, if

0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:01.080
<v Speaker 1>a mother is breastfeeding but she is an alcohol is

0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.240
<v Speaker 1>that going to be better? Is that going to better

0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:07.639
<v Speaker 1>support development than a mother who canned breastfeed and is

0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:11.639
<v Speaker 1>using a whole fat, high quality formula. Of course not.

0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:15.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, I a little bit. Take it's a little

0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.639
<v Speaker 1>because let me give you an example. Let's say I

0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.879
<v Speaker 1>said to Let's say I said I'm not feeding my

0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.560
<v Speaker 1>baby at all, and they're like, what's terrible? And I said, well,

0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:32.680
<v Speaker 1>or I'll feed it mercury, right, what's better? Now? Do

0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:33.399
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying?

0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:35.560
<v Speaker 5>It Just like I can honestly say, that's the first

0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:37.960
<v Speaker 5>time the image of someone feeding an.

0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Infant mercury has ever crossed my mouth.

0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:44.720
<v Speaker 2>If they're bottle feeding them, is going to like why

0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:45.960
<v Speaker 2>he's going like way out there.

0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I take his point though, that like.

0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:55.800
<v Speaker 5>If most formulas are poor nutrition, you'd you know, there's

0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:57.280
<v Speaker 5>a point to be made there. But it doesn't mean

0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.120
<v Speaker 5>that formula by default.

0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Is so yes, is it okay? Is it better? I agree?

0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Who could argue this that he's he's he's saying this,

0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:14.880
<v Speaker 1>what's better a whole fat, high quality formula or mother's

0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:20.640
<v Speaker 1>milk from a drunken alcoholic Let me think about that one.

0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.960
<v Speaker 2>But we're talking about, yeah, the whole d we're talking

0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Come on, here I go. I think he's being a

0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.200
<v Speaker 2>little harsh on our guy Max, Like we're talking about

0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:37.520
<v Speaker 2>like if you exercise muscle, it's going to get stronger, right,

0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, I like this guy. And Max

0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:42.800
<v Speaker 2>sent us a nice card, Karen, where's that card from

0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.000
<v Speaker 2>himptop it?

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh, i's going to talk about now I shouldn't talk

0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:51.600
<v Speaker 1>about No, that's I should I want to set it

0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:53.639
<v Speaker 1>up that way. What's this?

0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:57.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's a card from Max, a message to each

0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:57.679
<v Speaker 3>of us.

0:22:57.680 --> 0:22:59.800
<v Speaker 6>I almost threw it on that random ear on the table.

0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Matthew. This guy does say is mostly joking, so.

0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.440
<v Speaker 1>We should well. I like him, I think, But this remembered.

0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:10.880
<v Speaker 1>I just remember what I was gonna talk about because

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.239
<v Speaker 1>it's something I shouldn't talk about because it's gonna get

0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:16.520
<v Speaker 1>me in trouble with my wife, my kid, and my

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:22.800
<v Speaker 1>kid's school. How much trouble minor go for it my kid.

0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:25.879
<v Speaker 1>I just had to go to the parents meeting for

0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:31.679
<v Speaker 1>speech and debate. Mmkay. And I'm down there and I'm

0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:35.120
<v Speaker 1>sitting with my wife debating with her. No I did.

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:37.399
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, this is like sad through the

0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:40.560
<v Speaker 1>whole parents meeting. And I said to her afterward, the

0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:43.920
<v Speaker 1>second the guy was done talking, we're still sitting there,

0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and I said, I have one of those things for

0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:50.960
<v Speaker 1>you that you're gonna be annoyed that I said, you're

0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:53.800
<v Speaker 1>not gonna take it seriously and you're never gonna give

0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 1>it it's due. And this intrigued her to want to

0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:01.520
<v Speaker 1>know what exactly it was, and it was this, I'm like,

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't like any part of this whole thing. Why

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:12.880
<v Speaker 1>would you want to without knowing these kids, all these

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:17.280
<v Speaker 1>kids in high school, they're even talking about parents donating

0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>money to support speech and debate.

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:22.120
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I got to hear more about why you don't

0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:22.440
<v Speaker 2>like it.

0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:24.480
<v Speaker 5>Like teaching your kids martial arts.

0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:26.840
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm getting there as someone. It occurred to me

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.320
<v Speaker 1>midway something. It occurred to me midway through this whole thing.

0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:34.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't know their ethics in ideology? Why would I

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:39.560
<v Speaker 1>want to spend money training them and being convincing when

0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:41.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what they're going to try to convince

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:45.639
<v Speaker 1>people of. I would spend it in infusing them with

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:50.720
<v Speaker 1>my ethics in ideology, and then of those who adopted

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:55.840
<v Speaker 1>that them, I would then teach them to be convincing.

0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 1>But how could I just come into a room of

0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:00.640
<v Speaker 1>high school kids and want them all to you convincing

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 1>when I don't know? And I came up with a slogan,

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:07.240
<v Speaker 1>today's kids are tomorrow's enemies. That's a good one.

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:11.880
<v Speaker 4>It's like, that's one of your best.

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 1>It just occurred to me, and my wife, in fact,

0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 1>did not give it its due. She still hasn't given

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:20.880
<v Speaker 1>me what she thinks about the whole Well.

0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:22.879
<v Speaker 4>I think the idea is that it's like they're teaching them,

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:25.119
<v Speaker 4>They're giving them a template that they can slot in

0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:28.959
<v Speaker 4>ideology as they get older and form their own opinions.

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.640
<v Speaker 1>But how do we need them certain how do we

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.320
<v Speaker 1>know that? We don't take a kid and make him

0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:36.639
<v Speaker 1>super good at being convincing and then and then he

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 1>goes out and convinces people to do horrible stuff.

0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Becomes an anti hunting like yes.

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and to be like people be like, my god,

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.400
<v Speaker 1>how do you get so good at convincing everybody of that?

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.119
<v Speaker 1>And I'd be like, oh, you know, I donated twenty

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 1>dollars to his speech and debate program. Perhaps I'm to blame.

0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:57.560
<v Speaker 5>I thought this is gonna be one of those scenarios

0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:00.679
<v Speaker 5>where like the ex pro basketball player is watching his

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:04.160
<v Speaker 5>son get coached by a guy who never played pro

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:05.520
<v Speaker 5>bound steps.

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.639
<v Speaker 1>That's not how you do that. That's gotta happen. No,

0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 1>it really, it really shook it really shook me up.

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.919
<v Speaker 3>Can I interrupt for a second? How good are spin it?

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:24.439
<v Speaker 1>You're looking very good? Spin it? Spin it? Okay, we

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:28.240
<v Speaker 1>got to sol that hole with what's called the baseball stitch.

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:29.920
<v Speaker 4>Or can you pull that other towards you so we

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:30.480
<v Speaker 4>can see that.

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, now you'll see that there's a set nail

0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 1>on the bottom of that stretching board, krin behind you,

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:45.480
<v Speaker 1>a double headed nail on the bottom. Over here, No,

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of that stretching board. You're pointing to a

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 1>fleshing beam, the one against them. Turn your attention to

0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 1>the fleshing to the stretcher, and you'll see at the

0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:59.360
<v Speaker 1>bottom of it there is a double headed nail. Pull

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>that double head to nail out that will collapse and

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:09.159
<v Speaker 1>you can pull that kayut off that board. Make sure

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 1>there's no thumbtack in it anywhere.

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 4>How it come out.

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, he says, so kindly inform max care Dds. This

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.160
<v Speaker 1>is the part I like the most. We're back to this,

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:28.159
<v Speaker 1>so kindly inform max care dds that my formula drinking,

0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 1>pre chewed, dear me eating baby would whoop his baby

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:35.160
<v Speaker 1>any day of the week. That would be a great

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:39.119
<v Speaker 1>show if we had babies come and fight on this table.

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 4>I think it would charge a pretty penny for tomorrow's enemies.

0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and that's where he adds the mostly joking at

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 5>the end of that.

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:55.200
<v Speaker 1>No good you. You raise good points, but you raise

0:27:55.280 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>good points, thank you, Matthew. Uh uh, who wants to

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:08.440
<v Speaker 1>set that. We're gonna move move our attention over to Virginia. Well,

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:10.359
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a letter to someone rotents. We'll just

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:13.680
<v Speaker 1>tack we'll tackle this whole thing. Uh, my good friend

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 1>bubbly Doug Duran, who I adore, he's got some gripes.

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 1>He's got some land owner uh gripage about this next subject.

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 1>We're talking about deer hunting with hounds.

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Like personal experienced gripage or he just generally makes him uncomfortable.

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:37.640
<v Speaker 1>No, I gotta explain a thing because I'm a little

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 1>ahead of myself. We're gonna move our attention to deer

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:44.360
<v Speaker 1>hunting with hounds in Virginia. The debate around that. Now

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>that's in the South. You can do that just generally,

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 1>like there's a culture of hound hunting for deer in

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the South, and there's not a culture of hound hunting

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 1>for deer in the North. In the North, it's illegal,

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 1>and there's a handful of Southern states. No no, no, no, no, no,

0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 1>no no no. You remember a podcast episode we had

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>that was called skip the flip. Mm hmmm, we're not

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>skipping the flip.

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 4>For those listeners at home. He's referring to Corenes on

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 4>the stretch to get back to the town thing.

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:18.479
<v Speaker 1>You got to put him on inside out and then

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 1>you dry him overnight inside out and then you flip

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 1>it or else it'll dry to the board. So skip

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 1>the flip. Because Mercer Long lives in the Mojave Desert,

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 1>and he was pointing out that where he lives is

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 1>so dry that they don't do he doesn't need to

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 1>do the two part dry. He skips the flip and

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>just puts it on hair side out right. But you

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:47.719
<v Speaker 1>need to dry the outside and then flip it so

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>that it doesn't stick to the board and get rotten.

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>So it'll flip in the morning. Okay, all rights, Yep,

0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 1>you're getting there. I don't stretch, No, no, don't stretch.

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Just snug it up. Snug it up on there. You'll

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 1>get more now, and then go ahead and pin those

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 1>ears up so it looks like that one for now.

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Just pin him up, yep. Just give him a light.

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Don't don't lay it kind of roll it, don't Yeah,

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, don't not tight. You don't want to make

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of surface connection. There's a light little pinning.

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 8>Uh.

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Hound hunting for deer, and and I know that like

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 1>dog has where Douglaves is popular to run coyotes with dogs,

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 1>hm and Doug has Doug I hate to put I'm

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>not putting words in his mouth. We'll find well, Doug

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 1>is brought up Doug has brought up the difficulty of

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 1>in his area, the near impossibility of preventing your dogs

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>from hunting other people's property.

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Because you're talking about small farms, right.

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's like, you know, you got an area of

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>small dairy farms and you turn them out on a coyote.

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>The kyle goes wherever he wants. The dogs are going

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 1>wherever the kyo went, and you can't really even kind

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 1>of suggest that you have any control over your dogs

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>being in other people's places. So you're sitting there deer

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 1>hunt and also you know, here comes to everybody's pack

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>of dogs and he says it causes a lot of

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>consternation in this area.

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 2>It's there's no rule against letting your dog run on

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 2>other people's ground.

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:28.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know is that true.

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm asking like I would assume it's legal for it,

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Like you're not doing anything wrong and wrong if your

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 2>dog runs a coyot across three or four different properties.

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, I know this and this state that we're sitting

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 1>in right now. If a dog attacks your livestock. There's

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>no questions asked. You can kill that dog right for

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 1>harrassing your livestock right away. So here's a lessener feedback.

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 1>This is from a listener. Yes, okay, the guy says

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>this recently, I state rejected regulations around the use of

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 1>dogs for deer hunting, the mandated use of GPS collars,

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 1>and making reasonable effort to ensure dogs can't enter property

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:17.400
<v Speaker 1>where owners have requested dogs not be run. I'm torn

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 1>on this issue because I see it as a slippery

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 1>slope on both sides. Meaning okay, So he's saying the

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 1>state considered but ultimately rejected regulations that would have mandated

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:35.160
<v Speaker 1>deer hound hunters mandated that they put the GPS collar

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 1>on their dogs so that they know where the dog is,

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 1>and then with using that GPS tracking collar, make effort

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>to keep their dogs off of people's property.

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 2>With a lot of those units, you can hit like

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:51.479
<v Speaker 2>a callback button that that dog will stop doing whatever

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 2>it's doing and turn around.

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 1>He says, I'm torn on this issue because I see

0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 1>it as a slippery slope on both sides. On the

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:00.960
<v Speaker 1>one hand, I do not run dogs to hunt deer

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 1>and have had many deer in Turkey hunts in recent

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>years disturbed by a pack of dogs dogs running through

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 1>the properties I can access. Given the limited weekend time

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 1>I have to hunt between work responsibilities and small kids,

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>having game runoff because of a pack of dogs coming

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 1>onto a property is frustrating. I can also understand the

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 1>frustration of property owners who have a pack of dogs

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 1>run through and disturb their land, their livestock, or the

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 1>game and habitat on their property. On the other hand,

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 1>I recognize that hound hunting deer is an important tradition

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>that many people in Virginia is an important tradition to

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 1>many people in Virginia. And though I don't run dogs

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 1>for deer hunting, I have hunted. I have fox hunted

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:53.400
<v Speaker 1>with a pack of hounds, a pretty similar practice. I

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 1>realized that in this way, my stance is somewhat hypocritical.

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Regulations on hunting fox with dogs in places like England

0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 1>have made my state one of the last I'm gonna

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 1>edit this a little bit. He's saying that his state

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.840
<v Speaker 1>is one of the last refuges of the sporting tradition

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 1>of hound hunting with dogs. What fox hunting with dogs?

0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 2>No, it's just like he's just saying, it's one of

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:25.920
<v Speaker 2>the last places you can use hounds, which is a little.

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 5>He's saying, regulations on fox hunts in England have.

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Made my state one of the last fox hunting is

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 1>all I got you. No, no, no, no, he's saying. Here's

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 1>what he's saying. I think he's saying, like, hey, man,

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 1>in places like England, they've regulated the piss out of

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 1>hunt with dogs, fox hunting to the point whebase he

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.920
<v Speaker 1>can't do it. So he's saying, so with England out

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 1>of the picture, Virginia has become one of the last

0:34:55.400 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 1>places for the sporting tradition of hunting fox with hounds.

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 1>That's what he's saying. Yep. And he's saying that being

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 1>able to hunt foxes with hounds is very effective and

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 1>helping to manage fox and kyo populations. And he says also,

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 1>just like deer hunting with dogs is constantly under attack,

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:21.439
<v Speaker 1>fox hunting is also constantly under attack in Virginia from

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the usual suspects in the animal rights community. He goes on,

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I recognize the near possibility of keeping a large pack

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 1>of dogs together and off adjoining properties while they are

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>on the hunt, and I realized that hound hunters don't

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:39.280
<v Speaker 1>want to give an inch on the deer hunting issue

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 1>because of the need to guard the gate, Meaning deer

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>hound hunters in Virginia are fighting for the defense of

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 1>their lifestyle and they're not in the mood to entertain compromises.

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 1>And he says, which I fully understand and support. I

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 1>also personally don't believe that the most recent proposed regulations

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 1>would be all that effective in keeping a pack of

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 1>dogs off adjoining properties. So that being said, what do

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 1>you think can be done in cases like this where

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 1>hunters are adversely affected by the actions and traditions of

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.320
<v Speaker 1>other hunters. I do think there is a legitimate question

0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 1>around the rights of private property owners, which would benefit

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>me personally. But by regulating one group of hunters in

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 1>this way, aren't we cracking open the door for the

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 1>slow erosion of other hunting traditions?

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Very well, put, yep, that's the problem. Like, you know,

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't bother you unless it's affecting you directly, right,

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 2>But then when it affects you directly, it's like, you.

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Know, where does that put you?

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 2>There's no good answer, right, Like no.

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:50.880
<v Speaker 1>If I came from otters, if I lived on a

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:56.319
<v Speaker 1>planet outer space, I'll tell my kids there to day

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 1>that from other planets perspectives weren't outer space. I was

0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 1>going to say, you live on a planet. You know

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:05.560
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. They have a very like them centric worldview.

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to be like, you know, we're in

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 1>outer space. If someone isn't another.

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.240
<v Speaker 4>If aliens came here, they're talking about aliens.

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:16.359
<v Speaker 1>They're talking about us being in outer space anyhow, if

0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:18.000
<v Speaker 1>other than a planet an outer space. And I was

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>totally not I was like, totally rational but completely unhip

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:28.399
<v Speaker 1>to social morase on Earth. Follow and someone said, hey, man,

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, as a Martian, do you think that someone

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 1>should be able to take a big pack of dogs

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:39.280
<v Speaker 1>and and the person can't go on the neighbor's place,

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>but he can send his dogs around that neighbor's place

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 1>to chase the deer back over to his place so

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:50.360
<v Speaker 1>he can shoot him. As a Martian, unattuned to, not

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 1>tuned into moras on planet Earth, I would be like, no,

0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you should be able to do that. Yeah,

0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 1>it's called Mars Justice. Sounds like a show, like like

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not into any kind of you know, as a Martian,

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:08.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm not into like any kind of long term like

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I just take face value arguments, right,

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the history.

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah that makes sense, But I'm not from Mars.

0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if if you had a pack of dogs

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 2>screw up your hunt a time or two, it'd be

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:26.120
<v Speaker 2>hard to have the attitude like I'm gonna take one

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 2>for the team here, right.

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 1>M h. I'll put that Martian thing in another way.

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Let's say you were setting up a whole new state.

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Like you got a whole new state, and you're in

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 1>charge of setting up a whole new state, and you

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 1>gotta like figure out all the rules. And when this

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 1>came up and they said, well, what are we gonna

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>do about? Like we all agree that you can't go

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>on another guy's lamb without permission, right, And everybody's like, oh, yeah,

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 1>that's that's obvious. And they go, what about if he

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:55.239
<v Speaker 1>sends his big old pack of dogs all around in

0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:59.799
<v Speaker 1>the neighbor's place, it brings all them to your back

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 1>and and he gets them on his place. What should

0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 1>we do in our new state? There's no tradition, Yeah,

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:08.680
<v Speaker 1>there's no tradition. Part of that. So I'm trying to

0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 1>get at with this Martian stuff. There's I'm not considering tradition. Yeah,

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I would be like, in this state, this traditionless state,

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I would say that I don't think you should be

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 1>able to do that.

0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:22.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But we're not talking about a new state. We're

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 2>talking about a state that has a long tradition.

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 4>Of This is like you're if days were forty eight

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 4>hours long, argument, then why it would be okay to

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 4>wear the same outfit for those forty eight hours?

0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Like why I wear my clothes two days in a row.

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 4>Now, if we lived at a completely different reality, then

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:39.720
<v Speaker 4>they would be different.

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I I mean this I think raises the question.

0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 5>Like in Montana, we actually did create a new hound

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 5>hunting opportunity for black bears recently, and at the time

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:58.280
<v Speaker 5>it was proposed, I was a little nervous that going

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 5>out in the spring it would be a different experience.

0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't like I didn't.

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 5>It's not like I don't support hound hunting, you know,

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:10.440
<v Speaker 5>straight all over the place because this is about private property, buddy, Well, no,

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 5>I'm we're talking about tradition and whether we're creating tradition

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:19.160
<v Speaker 5>or or like creating a new opportunity. And I will say,

0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:20.800
<v Speaker 5>like my concerns.

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 1>About that you're talking about my new state.

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:26.759
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that I was falling up that that question. Like,

0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:29.400
<v Speaker 5>I mean, there are instances where it's not just a

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:32.680
<v Speaker 5>new state, but there are new traditions being proposed understood.

0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 5>And I will say, like it it didn't change the

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:37.200
<v Speaker 5>spring blackbird hunt in the way that I thought it might.

0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 2>But I got an answer for this guy just needs

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:42.799
<v Speaker 2>to package. Here we go, just answer he just needs

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:47.360
<v Speaker 2>to get a pack of dogs. The problem solved.

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 1>But I do think that it can't beat them, join them.

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.880
<v Speaker 5>The private property thing is weird because I killed I

0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 5>killed a lion a couple of years ago, and when

0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 5>the dogs are chasing that lion, they picked up another

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:01.400
<v Speaker 5>lion and some of the lions. Some of the dogs

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 5>went down and tree a cat on private property and

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 5>like a little subdivision.

0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:09.920
<v Speaker 2>But allowed to go legally, go get your dogs off.

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 5>We I mean we went down and knocked on the

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 5>door and got the dogs and the cat presumably I'm

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:22.280
<v Speaker 5>pretty sure, but it was still I mean, it still

0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:27.160
<v Speaker 5>feels very uncomfortable, right. I'm kind of like because I

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:30.920
<v Speaker 5>do think like if if I were that homeowner. And

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 5>I looked out my window and there's like a couple

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 5>of guys pulling their dogs away from a tree and

0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:37.279
<v Speaker 5>there's a cat up there. Like yeah, that's it's a

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 5>little weird, and I felt funny about it.

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:42.359
<v Speaker 1>But what you're gonna do. I've totally changed my mind

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:46.360
<v Speaker 1>now that I thought about them more. Now, if I

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 1>was setting up a new state and someone brought this up,

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:50.920
<v Speaker 1>you know what I would think to myself, everybody has

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 1>to have dogs. No picture this, just let me walk it.

0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Let me picture a scenario.

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:54.799
<v Speaker 7>Here.

0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 1>We're looking at extremes. I'm looking at the extreme of

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 1>the he sends all his dogs over there. He sends

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 1>like thirty dogs over there to do like an organized

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:07.879
<v Speaker 1>drive right and like strip this guy's property of deer.

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:13.760
<v Speaker 1>That's an extround view. But picture this pictures little Tommy.

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Little Tommy Dickinson is hunting rabbits with his beagle on

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:24.359
<v Speaker 1>the fence line with old Man Morgan. So we got

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 1>little Tommy Dickinson hunting old Man Morgan's fence line, and

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:36.719
<v Speaker 1>he's got his little beagle, Patsy. Patsy periodically is under

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 1>the fence, across the fence, under the fence across the fence.

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 1>What do you do? Shoot Tommy Dickinson or dog shoot Patsy?

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Is that what you're saying, shoot him both? Of course not.

0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 1>He can't control Patsy's going around Old man Morgan's in

0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>his place. Yeah, no, want to live in a place

0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 1>like this.

0:42:56.960 --> 0:43:00.960
<v Speaker 6>That rabbit runs out of Morgan's deck and then followed

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 6>him under.

0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:03.680
<v Speaker 1>The deck, and Morgan's on the deck sleeping.

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 5>What if the dog goes into Morgan's house he starts

0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:08.200
<v Speaker 5>eating his cat's food.

0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 1>And it gets sticky. That's why this is a tricky one.

0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Because it's a tricky one, you almost want to make

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 1>a rule that says like, don't push it. Oh yeah, yeah,

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:25.400
<v Speaker 1>if you're a hound hunter, don't push it. Control your dogs,

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:26.560
<v Speaker 1>don't push it.

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Or look, you could kind of train up hound

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:35.200
<v Speaker 2>hunters to be like we're doing a deer push here

0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 2>with our hounds. Knock on some doors in advance, let

0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 2>the landowners know, maybe they'll come. I don't know, like

0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 2>there's ways that like handle this that might make it

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:46.360
<v Speaker 2>more palatable to people.

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me hit you with this one. Then, since

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:55.640
<v Speaker 1>we're playing this game, I've talked about this, we have

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 1>our rough cut episode. We got a rough cut episode.

0:43:58.040 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 1>We talked about a bunch where me and seth ur

0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:04.440
<v Speaker 1>ratland bucks down in Texas. Now we're hunting on a

0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.120
<v Speaker 1>property where they don't do any kind of like food

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 1>feeding licks, mineral licks. Nothing's got natural water, well like

0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 1>dirt tanks for cattle and natural food. That's it. They

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:21.360
<v Speaker 1>don't lift a finger for the deer for feeding them.

0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:25.920
<v Speaker 1>The neighboring place is a very managed deer property, okay,

0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 1>And they got all the feeders and all that kind

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:30.320
<v Speaker 1>of stuff they're putting out like they're like deworming the

0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:31.280
<v Speaker 1>deer all kinds.

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Of but not high fences are they doing?

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:37.359
<v Speaker 1>No, No, gotcha no, but they're like taking care of deer,

0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:41.400
<v Speaker 1>managing deer. We we would make a habit of sitting

0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:44.800
<v Speaker 1>close to that border, rattling, trying to rattle over the

0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:49.640
<v Speaker 1>big those real healthy ones, trying to rattle over these

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:54.839
<v Speaker 1>like high protein megabucks. Could you make the case, well,

0:44:54.920 --> 0:45:02.840
<v Speaker 1>you're sound, you're sound is coming onto my property taking

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:07.759
<v Speaker 1>my deer. No, you couldn't. Come on.

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.360
<v Speaker 2>It's a dog versus some rattling.

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:15.360
<v Speaker 1>It's just if you're setting up a new state. This

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 1>is all stuff you gotta consider. Yeah, yeah, I.

0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 5>Mean, I I that one is. I don't think there's

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 5>any like wrong there. But yeah, if I was like

0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 5>managing my dear herd and the neighbor just always.

0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Set up on the property line, right, you might put

0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:32.279
<v Speaker 2>a fence up.

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I might put a fence up. That's a big

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:37.600
<v Speaker 1>part of growing up, though, is whatever place you have

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 1>permission to hunt on or whatever public mind you got,

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:43.239
<v Speaker 1>like you edge it. You know, the best hunting is

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 1>right on the edge. You can get permission to be

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Like some guy's got three hundred acres and you look

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.480
<v Speaker 1>over at that neighbor's place and you're like, I'm gonna

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:57.279
<v Speaker 1>sit around. It's gotta be better over there. And the

0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:59.360
<v Speaker 1>neighbor's taking to say anything about your place, so his

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:01.840
<v Speaker 1>tree stands also right on the edge of the property

0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:02.600
<v Speaker 1>you got frishon.

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:05.360
<v Speaker 7>Uh.

0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.399
<v Speaker 1>But you know, but I can only take this New

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.080
<v Speaker 1>State Mars stuff so far, because like, there is the

0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:18.279
<v Speaker 1>tradition thing. I've just really my sympathies go out to

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the hound hunters who are doing the same thing, but

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:26.400
<v Speaker 1>the the culture is changing around them. Yeah, let me

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:29.000
<v Speaker 1>ask you this, they're like holdouts.

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 2>If if this was Virginia. Yeah, let's say a ballot

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:40.840
<v Speaker 2>box movement came up to just outlaw hound hunting, dear

0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 2>hound hunting. Like, what you know, something just happened in Colorado.

0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:46.799
<v Speaker 1>I'd fight it tooth and nail.

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's I mean, that's what it boils down.

0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 1>I'd carpet bag it from out here.

0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, I think.

0:46:56.760 --> 0:47:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Like, you know what, that's a reference to someone drawing

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:02.239
<v Speaker 2>some bags in a carpet or a carpet and a

0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:03.600
<v Speaker 2>bag reconstruction.

0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I know, why'd you act like you're dumb?

0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Because you obviously wanted to explain it.

0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. You're like, he explain it no matter.

0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:20.759
<v Speaker 5>Why you act like you were dumb because I knew

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:22.160
<v Speaker 5>you wanted to act like you were smart.

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:28.959
<v Speaker 1>Up, Thanks many thanks.

0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 5>My reaction to this guy's letter is like, yeah, it's complicated,

0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:35.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, like he sees it from a lot of

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 5>different ways than I do too.

0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:41.759
<v Speaker 1>I'll propose it. I'm gonna propose the most the only

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 1>constructive thing I have to say on this thing. I

0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:55.319
<v Speaker 1>would if I was a if I I'm not a

0:47:55.400 --> 0:48:00.799
<v Speaker 1>deer hound hunter in Virginia, but I'm an occasional recreational

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:07.759
<v Speaker 1>trapper in Montana. I don't always do just what I

0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't always do what I could. I don't always

0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:18.240
<v Speaker 1>do what I could totally because in my mind, I'm like, yeah,

0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:20.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, you could do that. You could do that.

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:27.960
<v Speaker 1>You might get someone real upset, but you can do it.

0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:31.000
<v Speaker 1>But I could also do it over there and not

0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:33.640
<v Speaker 1>have anybody get real upset. And sure I could do that,

0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:35.759
<v Speaker 1>but I'm just not gonna do it, yeah, because I

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:42.480
<v Speaker 1>don't wanna, you know, I don't when I sense that

0:48:42.560 --> 0:48:44.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing a thing that like, well, yeah you could,

0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:50.680
<v Speaker 1>but I shy away from those in those moments, you know.

0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:53.520
<v Speaker 1>And if I was a deer hound hunter in Virginia

0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:57.120
<v Speaker 1>and I thought there's nothing stopping me from hunting what

0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:03.400
<v Speaker 1>was his name, though, Man Morgan Morgan. I know old

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Man Morgan has asked me a hundred times not to

0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:11.600
<v Speaker 1>hunt his place on the opening day, but he can't

0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:14.960
<v Speaker 1>stop me. Yeah, well, it's the song I'm gonna hunt

0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Old Man Morton.

0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:17.239
<v Speaker 5>I feel like the same way when I'm gonna go

0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:20.759
<v Speaker 5>hunt a spot and there's two trucks parked where I

0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:25.759
<v Speaker 5>wanted to park. My attitude isn't like I can do

0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:28.359
<v Speaker 5>whatever I want. It's kind of like if I were

0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:30.640
<v Speaker 5>parked here, I wouldn't want someone to pull him behind me.

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:33.680
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna put decoys on that pond and no

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:37.160
<v Speaker 1>one can stop me, So move your decoys over.

0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:39.360
<v Speaker 5>I was gonna sit in that tree, and there's a

0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:42.239
<v Speaker 5>guy sitting in this tree, I'm gonna sit right next

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:42.480
<v Speaker 5>to him.

0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, i'd say, if you're a dear hound hunter in Virginia,

0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:47.759
<v Speaker 2>the best way to make sure it sticks around for

0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:52.080
<v Speaker 2>a while to just show some courtesy and some restraint.

0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Moving on across the country to Arizona.

0:49:57.960 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 2>No, we're not doing this.

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.880
<v Speaker 1>We're skipping this. Maner Well, no, he's just asking a question.

0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:05.040
<v Speaker 2>No, no, this is this is not.

0:50:05.600 --> 0:50:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh we're skipping this. Should Yeah, moving on across the

0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 1>country to reciprocity the Dakotas. Yeah, moving to the Dakotas.

0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:20.959
<v Speaker 1>Kind of across the country, we could across a chunk

0:50:21.000 --> 0:50:27.080
<v Speaker 1>of it. On a recent podcast episode six seventeen, if

0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:29.879
<v Speaker 1>you haven't put this together yet, we're talking about old

0:50:29.920 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 1>podcast episode discussion points. We touched on a thing that

0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:41.600
<v Speaker 1>states do called reciprocity, and I had always known reciprocity

0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 1>only under the interesting little management. I'm struggling here. I

0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 1>had known reciprocity only in one context, and for bearer management.

0:50:57.719 --> 0:51:03.040
<v Speaker 1>They use reciprocity to even the playing field from one

0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:06.879
<v Speaker 1>state to the next according to how their policies toward

0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:10.919
<v Speaker 1>non residents. That was a terrible sentence. Put hear me out.

0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Montana historically has not allowed non residents to buy a

0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:26.799
<v Speaker 1>fur harvester license. Okay, so of the species that are

0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:33.600
<v Speaker 1>living or managed as fur bearing animals muskrat, mink otter, beaver, bobcat. Okay,

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:37.000
<v Speaker 1>there manages fur bearing animals. There was no non resident

0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:40.960
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to do with that in Montana. They changed it,

0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:44.719
<v Speaker 1>but there wasn't so they would set Other states would

0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 1>set up a thing called reciprocity, meaning a state would

0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:53.920
<v Speaker 1>say we will sell you a non resident trapping permit

0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:58.799
<v Speaker 1>if your state would sell one of our residents a

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:03.600
<v Speaker 1>non resident trapping permit. It and because of reciprocity, if

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:07.480
<v Speaker 1>you lived in Montana, you didn't fur trap out of

0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:10.959
<v Speaker 1>state in a state that practiced reciprocity. Because they're like, dude,

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:14.880
<v Speaker 1>you can't prevent like you're preventing our citizens from buying

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:16.239
<v Speaker 1>the tags, but then you want to come here and

0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:17.239
<v Speaker 1>buy one of ours.

0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:20.440
<v Speaker 2>They do the same with license prices too in some cases.

0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh do they think?

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I think maybe, like you come to a state and

0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:30.560
<v Speaker 2>pay thousand bucks for an ELK tag. Okay, people from

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:32.840
<v Speaker 2>that state come to your your state to buy a

0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:34.359
<v Speaker 2>deer tag, and they're going to charge you.

0:52:35.480 --> 0:52:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I think they're example, they'll stick it to them. Yeah. Well,

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:40.440
<v Speaker 1>the other example that was even aware of is is

0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:45.560
<v Speaker 1>South Dakota had a reciprocity? Was it North or South

0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Dakota had this? South Dakota had no the spearfishing one

0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:57.000
<v Speaker 1>North Dakota, North Dakota. North Dakota had a reciprocity around

0:52:57.040 --> 0:53:00.680
<v Speaker 1>spear and pike through the ice. They're like, you can

0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:03.320
<v Speaker 1>spear pike through the ice if a North the Coton

0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:06.400
<v Speaker 1>can spear pike through the ice on your place. And

0:53:06.440 --> 0:53:09.200
<v Speaker 1>I was musing about this reciprocity issue because I was saying,

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:12.960
<v Speaker 1>let's say Colorado had passed that failed. But let's say

0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Proposition one twenty seven had passed in Colorado and suddenly

0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:21.520
<v Speaker 1>you cannot hunt lines in Colorado. Would a state ever

0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:25.480
<v Speaker 1>exercise reciprocity to a Colorado resident, meaning a Colorado resident

0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:27.680
<v Speaker 1>wants to come to Montana and they're like, hey, I

0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:30.080
<v Speaker 1>want to buy a mountain lion tag Montana would say

0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:38.279
<v Speaker 1>no because our residents can't hunt mountain lions in your state, right.

0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:41.800
<v Speaker 1>I was musing about this, just the issue of reciprocity,

0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:45.439
<v Speaker 1>and we got some listener feedback from it. A guy

0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:48.279
<v Speaker 1>writes in I had the opportunity to tune into the

0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Popping Corks podcast. That's a name of an episode where

0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:56.200
<v Speaker 1>the topic of reciprocity was discussed from a wildlife management perspective.

0:53:57.480 --> 0:53:59.960
<v Speaker 1>While I can stack hands, I never heard of say

0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:05.480
<v Speaker 1>expression before. While I can stack hands on the idea

0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:11.239
<v Speaker 1>of states and their respective agencies dictating reciprocity rules for

0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:16.279
<v Speaker 1>state managed species, I find it a hard pill to

0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:21.960
<v Speaker 1>swallow when it comes to the topic of federally managed species,

0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:28.480
<v Speaker 1>specifically and selfishly waterfowl. He goes on, why is it

0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:31.120
<v Speaker 1>that a state such as South Dakota can have a

0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:35.799
<v Speaker 1>non resident lottery for a federally managed species. I buy

0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:38.640
<v Speaker 1>a federal duck stamp, which presumably some of this money

0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:41.759
<v Speaker 1>goes to habitat and conservation activities in the state of

0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:45.600
<v Speaker 1>South Dakota, among all others. Why then, would I not

0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:50.160
<v Speaker 1>have the same opportunity as a resident? He goes on,

0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:54.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, he's not advocating to pay a resident rate.

0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:58.399
<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah. I don't mean a blah blah blah

0:54:58.480 --> 0:55:00.400
<v Speaker 1>of disrespect, but I mean that's the base, this idea,

0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:03.799
<v Speaker 1>what he's saying. But he's overlooking something. Oh, he goes

0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:06.839
<v Speaker 1>there's one in another point he makes. This became more

0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:09.080
<v Speaker 1>top of mind to me when the limitation of non

0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:12.880
<v Speaker 1>resident hunters was brought up with respect to Stuttgart, Arkansas.

0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:19.279
<v Speaker 1>He says, Indeed, reciprocity is a slippery slope. Alec, you're

0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:24.000
<v Speaker 1>overlooking something. Ducks aren't just they're not just federally managed,

0:55:24.480 --> 0:55:29.680
<v Speaker 1>they're state in, federal and international.

0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:33.239
<v Speaker 5>And I also think like the reciprocity thing is a

0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:36.840
<v Speaker 5>little more complicated than just treating residents and non residence

0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:39.960
<v Speaker 5>the same. The reciprocity is about one state treating non

0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:44.240
<v Speaker 5>residents in their state and another state treating non residents

0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:47.319
<v Speaker 5>to that state in the same way, right, Like, yeah,

0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:47.959
<v Speaker 5>it's the state.

0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:55.440
<v Speaker 1>It's a state having varied attitudes toward non residents depending

0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:57.720
<v Speaker 1>on what state they come from and what the rulers

0:55:57.760 --> 0:55:58.600
<v Speaker 1>of that state are.

0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:02.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so here, I'm not clear how the reciprocity. He

0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:07.960
<v Speaker 5>seems to have more of a complaint with the difference

0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:09.640
<v Speaker 5>between residents and non residents.

0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:12.600
<v Speaker 1>They got him thinking, yeah, the reciprocity thing got them

0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:18.760
<v Speaker 1>thinking yeah about this. Yeah, they're okay, just a couple

0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:23.959
<v Speaker 1>things here before it really taking on the question. You're right,

0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:30.160
<v Speaker 1>there's federal oversight of waterfowl regulations. Waterfowl regulations are jointly

0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:33.960
<v Speaker 1>managed by the Feds in the state. You might say, well,

0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:37.120
<v Speaker 1>why the hell is that, Well, think about it. They're migratory. Okay,

0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:40.759
<v Speaker 1>So let's say you had one state that totally shit

0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the bed on waterfowl management and they kill every dock

0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:47.560
<v Speaker 1>that comes through their state. Well, that state is then

0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:52.120
<v Speaker 1>screwing over other states along the flyway. So there's like

0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:56.479
<v Speaker 1>some federal oversight. Meaning these birds aren't stationary. They move

0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:59.680
<v Speaker 1>internationally in some cases. I mean there's many birds that

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:05.200
<v Speaker 1>are they're nesting in northern Alaska, they fly all across Canada,

0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:10.920
<v Speaker 1>they fly over six or seven states, maybe more on

0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the way down, and they ultimately you know, some of

0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:18.320
<v Speaker 1>our teal will winter in the Bahamas, will have ducks

0:57:18.320 --> 0:57:21.320
<v Speaker 1>at winter in Mexico. Right, So there's an international bird.

0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:27.360
<v Speaker 1>So there's international and federal oversight on waterfowl management, but

0:57:27.400 --> 0:57:30.200
<v Speaker 1>the state still plays a very important role in rule

0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:33.040
<v Speaker 1>setting and enforcement, and when they look at things like

0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:38.680
<v Speaker 1>bag limits on ducks, the FEDS factor in the importance

0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:43.640
<v Speaker 1>of the state to waterfoul preservation in general, meaning if

0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:45.880
<v Speaker 1>you're a state that has that hosts a lot of

0:57:46.760 --> 0:57:49.360
<v Speaker 1>breeding pairs of birds for a long period of time,

0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:52.000
<v Speaker 1>you're going to be treated differently than a state that

0:57:52.040 --> 0:57:54.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe they only pass through for a month out of

0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:58.800
<v Speaker 1>the earth. All fair. So it's like, it's not just federal,

0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:04.800
<v Speaker 1>it's federal and eight that's a thing. That's why you

0:58:04.840 --> 0:58:08.760
<v Speaker 1>gotta have a state waterfall stamp and a federal waterfall stamp.

0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:13.200
<v Speaker 1>So I don't think the Feds are saying. The Feds

0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:15.520
<v Speaker 1>aren't saying. And I got an idea they're not going.

0:58:15.560 --> 0:58:17.760
<v Speaker 1>They're not going, like the Feds aren't going. And let's

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:21.640
<v Speaker 1>have it be that in South Dakota, non residents can't hunt.

0:58:22.640 --> 0:58:25.200
<v Speaker 1>That's not coming from the Feds. That's coming from the

0:58:25.240 --> 0:58:30.120
<v Speaker 1>state who has management authority.

0:58:31.440 --> 0:58:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what exactly, Like what kind of lot are we

0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:37.880
<v Speaker 2>talking about? Lottery for drawing?

0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:42.840
<v Speaker 1>They capped South Dakota's capped. You got to draw to

0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:44.480
<v Speaker 1>hunt ducks in South Dakota. I drew it a couple

0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:46.120
<v Speaker 1>of years ago. We went, we went hunted ducks in

0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:46.640
<v Speaker 1>South Dakota.

0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:48.919
<v Speaker 2>We like drew the Is it a state wide deal

0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:50.800
<v Speaker 2>or specific areas or.

0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:53.040
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's state wide. I could be wrong.

0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:56.120
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember. And then they have different dates too,

0:58:56.480 --> 0:59:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's just have a resident opener a non resident opener.

0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:02.560
<v Speaker 1>His whole gripe, I think his whole gripe is he's saying,

0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:06.440
<v Speaker 1>how could you have a thing where there's federal oversight

0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:09.480
<v Speaker 1>but you have states making up their own rules, And

0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:12.040
<v Speaker 1>it's like, I guess the simplest answer is, it's not

0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:13.880
<v Speaker 1>just federal oversight.

0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the state South Dakota's Fish and Game Agency is

0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:20.280
<v Speaker 2>also managing those ducks and geese.

0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Simple as that. In addition to here's another guy on reciprocity,

0:59:28.720 --> 0:59:33.360
<v Speaker 1>he says. He points out what he's eating as he

0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:39.760
<v Speaker 1>writes this. He's eating eggs, chicken, and pomegranate seeds.

0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:42.880
<v Speaker 3>That is an interesting combination.

0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:50.320
<v Speaker 1>He says. Let's say you invite me to your home. Okay,

0:59:50.400 --> 0:59:53.320
<v Speaker 1>he says, Let's say you invite me to your home

0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:56.320
<v Speaker 1>and you let me know there's no shoes in the

0:59:56.400 --> 1:00:00.720
<v Speaker 1>house policy for the purpose of keeping your carpet clean,

1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:05.440
<v Speaker 1>like every Asian household. I obviously it's like, man, my

1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:08.000
<v Speaker 1>wife's trying to pull that on me right now. Oh

1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:10.800
<v Speaker 1>she's trying to after all these years. She claims that

1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:12.640
<v Speaker 1>it's always been that way. I just haven't listened.

1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:14.400
<v Speaker 3>No, it's just so much better.

1:00:14.480 --> 1:00:18.400
<v Speaker 9>You just leave your shoes, You just leave your outside shoes.

1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:21.120
<v Speaker 3>But you're yeah, yeah, yes, it's.

1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Like no ship. It's obvious to you.

1:00:23.000 --> 1:00:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Especially when you're like going in and out of the

1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:25.680
<v Speaker 2>house doing ship.

1:00:25.720 --> 1:00:30.600
<v Speaker 1>You gotta take them off. That's my whole thing. My

1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:34.160
<v Speaker 1>hands all dirt untied.

1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:36.760
<v Speaker 3>You are exiting. See there you go.

1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I have a thing. I have these wool over shoes

1:00:40.200 --> 1:00:42.600
<v Speaker 1>that you put you slip your feet into to then run.

1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:45.200
<v Speaker 4>Through the house or you can do that.

1:00:45.720 --> 1:00:46.680
<v Speaker 3>But no, just it's like.

1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:50.280
<v Speaker 1>A giant flip flop. No, it's like a giant slide in.

1:00:50.520 --> 1:00:52.640
<v Speaker 2>You got to get your kids to buy into it too,

1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:53.480
<v Speaker 2>if you got kids.

1:00:53.480 --> 1:00:55.760
<v Speaker 1>And that's difficult. Man, that's your thing. It's like the dog.

1:00:55.840 --> 1:00:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Don't take it well.

1:00:57.760 --> 1:01:01.360
<v Speaker 3>Some people white wash their dogs his feet before they.

1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:02.800
<v Speaker 7>That.

1:01:03.760 --> 1:01:07.760
<v Speaker 1>We just mop will I might switch. I might switch

1:01:07.800 --> 1:01:09.840
<v Speaker 1>because my wife. It drives my wife bananas.

1:01:09.880 --> 1:01:11.680
<v Speaker 6>Do you think he's eating a Frida egg or scrambled

1:01:11.680 --> 1:01:14.040
<v Speaker 6>eggs with his chicken and pomegranate?

1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:17.520
<v Speaker 9>You think the pomegranates rot, you know, like Frida egg

1:01:17.560 --> 1:01:18.000
<v Speaker 9>and chicken.

1:01:19.200 --> 1:01:22.360
<v Speaker 1>That's a little bit like that steak and chicken Friday

1:01:22.440 --> 1:01:25.760
<v Speaker 1>and chicken. It's like that Old Testament prohibition against eating

1:01:27.560 --> 1:01:30.680
<v Speaker 1>meat and milk together, like like you can't, like you

1:01:30.720 --> 1:01:36.080
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't boil a calf in its mother's milk, like separating. Yeah,

1:01:36.080 --> 1:01:38.280
<v Speaker 1>it's like a chicken in the egg. It's like sheese,

1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:42.120
<v Speaker 1>what came first? Give him a break?

1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:44.600
<v Speaker 6>And when I was in Hawaii eating scrambled eggs and

1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:47.560
<v Speaker 6>there was a chicken pecking at my feet, it's kind

1:01:47.600 --> 1:01:47.919
<v Speaker 6>of weird.

1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's like my baby circle of life. Let's get

1:01:51.720 --> 1:01:57.800
<v Speaker 1>back to the show. Okay. So I tell him, hey man,

1:01:58.280 --> 1:02:00.280
<v Speaker 1>this guy here, he writes in. I tell him, I said,

1:02:00.320 --> 1:02:02.080
<v Speaker 1>hey man, don't wear your shoes at my house. I

1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:04.640
<v Speaker 1>want to keep my carpet clean. He says, I obviously

1:02:04.720 --> 1:02:09.160
<v Speaker 1>respect that rule and leave my stinkers. It's a euphemism

1:02:09.200 --> 1:02:12.360
<v Speaker 1>for shoes I gather. Leave my stinkers at the door outside.

1:02:12.440 --> 1:02:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Unless he's got really smelly feet, then you'd want him

1:02:14.560 --> 1:02:15.240
<v Speaker 2>to keep his shoes on.

1:02:15.360 --> 1:02:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Here's where it gets written. Here's where it gets ridded.

1:02:18.720 --> 1:02:21.960
<v Speaker 1>He goes on to say, one week later, I invite

1:02:22.160 --> 1:02:26.960
<v Speaker 1>you to my home. I do not have such a

1:02:27.080 --> 1:02:31.080
<v Speaker 1>shoe rule. In fact, I have no carpet in the house.

1:02:31.280 --> 1:02:34.720
<v Speaker 1>But since I had to take my shoes off at

1:02:34.800 --> 1:02:38.840
<v Speaker 1>your house, I then tell you to leave your shoes

1:02:39.000 --> 1:02:43.600
<v Speaker 1>at the door as I walk around in my own shoes.

1:02:47.160 --> 1:02:48.000
<v Speaker 4>Sounds deranged.

1:02:48.920 --> 1:02:52.760
<v Speaker 1>He's equating all of this to reciprocity. But then I got.

1:02:52.600 --> 1:02:59.840
<v Speaker 5>Lost, But he says, that's petty international. I think the

1:03:00.200 --> 1:03:04.440
<v Speaker 5>or metaphor is you come into my house and I

1:03:04.560 --> 1:03:06.880
<v Speaker 5>crack open a beer and I tell you I don't

1:03:06.920 --> 1:03:09.400
<v Speaker 5>let people who don't live in this house eat or

1:03:09.480 --> 1:03:12.520
<v Speaker 5>drink in my house. And then I go over to

1:03:12.560 --> 1:03:16.640
<v Speaker 5>your house and I want to eat your food right like,

1:03:16.640 --> 1:03:20.240
<v Speaker 5>like there's not a This is silly because it doesn't

1:03:20.680 --> 1:03:26.160
<v Speaker 5>affect anybody. But the reality is like if you if

1:03:26.200 --> 1:03:29.960
<v Speaker 5>you told somebody that they can't have any of like

1:03:30.000 --> 1:03:31.840
<v Speaker 5>a beer in the fridge, and then you went over

1:03:31.840 --> 1:03:33.920
<v Speaker 5>to their house and grabbed a beer out of their fridge.

1:03:34.160 --> 1:03:40.600
<v Speaker 1>That would be weird. Yeah. Yeah, I just want to

1:03:40.600 --> 1:03:46.200
<v Speaker 1>open a business where I would help people rationalize irrational decisions.

1:03:47.160 --> 1:03:48.760
<v Speaker 2>You got to come up with a good name for that.

1:03:48.960 --> 1:03:51.680
<v Speaker 3>We've got a podcast to do that on that can

1:03:51.720 --> 1:03:52.919
<v Speaker 3>be a new segment well.

1:03:52.840 --> 1:03:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Because it'd be like, let's say a guy wants to

1:03:54.440 --> 1:03:56.600
<v Speaker 1>buy a new truck but just makes zero sense, right,

1:03:58.040 --> 1:04:00.600
<v Speaker 1>he called, and I'd be like, hey, man, you work hard,

1:04:00.600 --> 1:04:04.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, I mean, do you feel like your

1:04:04.640 --> 1:04:07.720
<v Speaker 1>full self and that old truck, Like, don't you feel

1:04:07.720 --> 1:04:09.560
<v Speaker 1>that you're gonna show up better at work and show

1:04:09.560 --> 1:04:11.840
<v Speaker 1>you better for your family? When you feel more confident

1:04:14.960 --> 1:04:17.480
<v Speaker 1>that he'll hang up, be like, God, buy that truck.

1:04:17.400 --> 1:04:20.480
<v Speaker 6>Putting American families in debt, and then you get you

1:04:20.640 --> 1:04:21.560
<v Speaker 6>commission from four.

1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:24.520
<v Speaker 3>You should bring Susie Ormond back on the show.

1:04:25.120 --> 1:04:27.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, Listeners decide if they want to. Yeah.

1:04:27.880 --> 1:04:31.120
<v Speaker 1>So it's like you help and this is his thing.

1:04:31.600 --> 1:04:34.160
<v Speaker 1>This guy could start a little project where he takes

1:04:34.200 --> 1:04:39.480
<v Speaker 1>complex law issues and brings them home, you know, complex

1:04:39.560 --> 1:04:43.680
<v Speaker 1>law issues and he brings them into like household analogies.

1:04:43.920 --> 1:04:46.840
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, but if you like Steve's idea and then ride

1:04:46.840 --> 1:04:51.160
<v Speaker 9>into the Mediater podcast at the meadeater dot com with

1:04:51.240 --> 1:04:53.600
<v Speaker 9>your dilemmas.

1:04:53.760 --> 1:04:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, something you need to justify but you just can't,

1:04:58.000 --> 1:05:00.720
<v Speaker 1>or I'll help you. If you're trying to to like

1:05:01.400 --> 1:05:03.640
<v Speaker 1>get something out of your wife or get a concession

1:05:03.640 --> 1:05:04.960
<v Speaker 1>out of your wife, but you can't think of how

1:05:05.000 --> 1:05:06.320
<v Speaker 1>to approach it, I'll walk you through it.

1:05:06.400 --> 1:05:07.880
<v Speaker 3>What are they put in the subject line?

1:05:08.880 --> 1:05:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I need help?

1:05:12.080 --> 1:05:13.439
<v Speaker 3>That's perfect, I need help.

1:05:13.600 --> 1:05:13.960
<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

1:05:14.680 --> 1:05:17.320
<v Speaker 5>We occasionally get emails every now and then from people

1:05:17.320 --> 1:05:19.840
<v Speaker 5>who really do need help, so we might just Yeah,

1:05:19.880 --> 1:05:22.080
<v Speaker 5>there might be a boy cried wolf situation.

1:05:21.760 --> 1:05:27.040
<v Speaker 1>There on the same subject, sort of the same subject.

1:05:27.040 --> 1:05:29.920
<v Speaker 1>It really like the reciprocity thing really got folks.

1:05:30.040 --> 1:05:31.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a lot of people wrote it.

1:05:31.400 --> 1:05:35.720
<v Speaker 1>In Okay, so here here's this one. Uh, not the

1:05:35.760 --> 1:05:41.200
<v Speaker 1>same thing as reciprocity, but a something that seems unfair. Okay,

1:05:41.600 --> 1:05:46.880
<v Speaker 1>dear me Eater crew. I know the subject of paying

1:05:47.080 --> 1:05:50.480
<v Speaker 1>higher prices if you are a non resident has been

1:05:50.520 --> 1:05:53.240
<v Speaker 1>covered on the podcast, but I'm in a situation that

1:05:53.320 --> 1:05:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't think has been covered and would like to

1:05:56.120 --> 1:05:59.960
<v Speaker 1>get everyone's thoughts. I'll try to make a long story short.

1:06:01.280 --> 1:06:04.560
<v Speaker 1>I grew up in the northern Lower Peninsula of Michigan,

1:06:04.600 --> 1:06:08.800
<v Speaker 1>where my family owns hunting land with a camp. After

1:06:08.840 --> 1:06:13.520
<v Speaker 1>I graduated high school, I joined the military, did twenty years.

1:06:14.080 --> 1:06:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Here he's stacking the deck.

1:06:15.600 --> 1:06:18.680
<v Speaker 2>He is, he's setting himself up as he's stack in

1:06:18.720 --> 1:06:22.320
<v Speaker 2>the deck. He's trying to like gain points in his favor.

1:06:22.680 --> 1:06:26.200
<v Speaker 1>But has nothing with all due respect, respect it, thank

1:06:26.240 --> 1:06:32.000
<v Speaker 1>you for your thank you for he's stacking the deck.

1:06:32.080 --> 1:06:34.680
<v Speaker 9>He may have taken the class that your kids, right,

1:06:34.800 --> 1:06:35.480
<v Speaker 9>but nothing.

1:06:37.640 --> 1:06:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true. This is the kind of thing I

1:06:38.840 --> 1:06:39.840
<v Speaker 1>would help someone with.

1:06:40.120 --> 1:06:43.440
<v Speaker 2>It would be like if Steve murdered someone and they

1:06:43.440 --> 1:06:45.000
<v Speaker 2>were like, Bud, he was a really good guy.

1:06:45.080 --> 1:06:46.840
<v Speaker 1>What about what about a favor written?

1:06:46.840 --> 1:06:49.000
<v Speaker 5>And if I graduated high school and I never quite

1:06:49.120 --> 1:06:51.320
<v Speaker 5>really figured out what I wanted to do, kind of

1:06:51.360 --> 1:06:52.760
<v Speaker 5>bounced around for a while, got.

1:06:52.720 --> 1:06:56.240
<v Speaker 1>In trouble with the law, and now I'd like to

1:06:56.280 --> 1:06:59.040
<v Speaker 1>buy a resident hunting license. So you're sta. You know,

1:06:59.080 --> 1:07:01.000
<v Speaker 1>he's stacking the deck. I'll let him do it. I'll

1:07:01.000 --> 1:07:03.720
<v Speaker 1>give I'll let him do it. After I graduated high school,

1:07:03.720 --> 1:07:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I joined the military to twenty years. Thank you for

1:07:06.600 --> 1:07:12.320
<v Speaker 1>your service. I'm he's stacking the deck.

1:07:12.360 --> 1:07:14.040
<v Speaker 5>Well, I think it and it can now.

1:07:14.520 --> 1:07:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so put that out of your head and weighing

1:07:17.640 --> 1:07:20.440
<v Speaker 1>the fairness of this. He's here. He the jury, they

1:07:20.480 --> 1:07:21.800
<v Speaker 1>call it. He tainted the jury.

1:07:21.800 --> 1:07:22.680
<v Speaker 2>He would start here.

1:07:22.880 --> 1:07:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And now so now we're back to the fact

1:07:25.240 --> 1:07:28.160
<v Speaker 1>of the matter, with all due respect. And now I

1:07:28.200 --> 1:07:32.320
<v Speaker 1>am a permanent resident of Wisconsin, which is where my

1:07:32.400 --> 1:07:35.640
<v Speaker 1>wife is from. That's a good detail. That's not stacking

1:07:35.640 --> 1:07:41.400
<v Speaker 1>the deck. He goes on. I do bow hunt in Wisconsin.

1:07:42.840 --> 1:07:47.280
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't mention this as a resident under resident pricing.

1:07:47.560 --> 1:07:50.000
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't mention that I do bow hunt Wisconsin. But

1:07:50.080 --> 1:07:53.680
<v Speaker 1>I still go to Michigan every year for the firearm

1:07:53.760 --> 1:07:58.040
<v Speaker 1>deer season to hunt at our camp. And of course

1:07:58.560 --> 1:08:03.080
<v Speaker 1>now I have to pay for a non resident license.

1:08:04.720 --> 1:08:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Last year, my dad took his name off the deed

1:08:07.600 --> 1:08:10.440
<v Speaker 1>and added mine to it. I am now part owner

1:08:10.680 --> 1:08:14.479
<v Speaker 1>along with a couple other family members, which means I'm

1:08:14.560 --> 1:08:17.920
<v Speaker 1>paying my part of the property, taxes, utilities, and everything

1:08:17.960 --> 1:08:20.880
<v Speaker 1>else that goes along with owning a hunting camp. It

1:08:21.000 --> 1:08:23.080
<v Speaker 1>seems to me that this is a little on the

1:08:23.280 --> 1:08:27.040
<v Speaker 1>unfair side because of all the other monies I am

1:08:27.080 --> 1:08:30.000
<v Speaker 1>paying to the state of Michigan by owning land that

1:08:30.120 --> 1:08:32.280
<v Speaker 1>I still have to pay full price for a non

1:08:32.320 --> 1:08:40.120
<v Speaker 1>resident hunting license. He proposes a third category. He feels

1:08:40.120 --> 1:08:44.240
<v Speaker 1>that there should be a third category called the non

1:08:44.400 --> 1:08:49.960
<v Speaker 1>resident landowner to be fair. No, no, just waiting.

1:08:51.160 --> 1:08:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Montana has that coming home to hunt thing, which is yep, yeah,

1:08:56.200 --> 1:08:59.760
<v Speaker 2>really love that. But anyway, he's what he's saying is

1:08:59.800 --> 1:09:02.719
<v Speaker 2>he's deserves a discount, right, he.

1:09:02.600 --> 1:09:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Says, Hey, I'm paying property tax is a mission. I

1:09:04.720 --> 1:09:06.880
<v Speaker 1>deserve a discount. But here's the thing from state fishing

1:09:06.880 --> 1:09:09.160
<v Speaker 1>game agencies perspective, you can only be a resident of

1:09:09.160 --> 1:09:11.280
<v Speaker 1>one state. Yes, right, do you vote twice?

1:09:11.439 --> 1:09:17.840
<v Speaker 5>I don't understand why why this is so like fuzzy,

1:09:18.000 --> 1:09:22.160
<v Speaker 5>you know, like if you get busted for poaching, your

1:09:22.280 --> 1:09:25.240
<v Speaker 5>name goes into a database and then you're you lose

1:09:25.400 --> 1:09:27.000
<v Speaker 5>hunting and fishing privileges.

1:09:27.280 --> 1:09:28.439
<v Speaker 1>Right in all these.

1:09:28.280 --> 1:09:31.800
<v Speaker 5>Other compact stations in four states, Why don't we just

1:09:31.880 --> 1:09:35.200
<v Speaker 5>have a database where you you are a resident of

1:09:35.240 --> 1:09:37.640
<v Speaker 5>this state and it just cross references it. Because you

1:09:37.640 --> 1:09:39.959
<v Speaker 5>hear all the time about people buying three or four.

1:09:39.800 --> 1:09:43.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, right, when when I was running the fly shop,

1:09:43.800 --> 1:09:46.880
<v Speaker 2>like we're a license vender back in Colorado and there's

1:09:46.920 --> 1:09:49.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of second homeowners in the valley we lived in,

1:09:50.479 --> 1:09:54.000
<v Speaker 2>and this ship came up all the time for fishing licenses,

1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:58.280
<v Speaker 2>elk tags. They'd bring in bills, they'd show you, they're like,

1:09:58.680 --> 1:10:00.559
<v Speaker 2>they show you all sorts of shiit to like be

1:10:00.640 --> 1:10:05.320
<v Speaker 2>like look, and I'm like, dude, you're not a resident.

1:10:05.720 --> 1:10:07.559
<v Speaker 2>Like there's nothing I can do about it.

1:10:07.960 --> 1:10:12.080
<v Speaker 1>He goes on to bring up another gripe. I'm not

1:10:12.160 --> 1:10:14.160
<v Speaker 1>hacking on the guy. He's great questions. He brings up

1:10:14.160 --> 1:10:16.439
<v Speaker 1>another gripe. There's a lot of elk in that area,

1:10:16.439 --> 1:10:18.760
<v Speaker 1>but it's a draw, but the elk draw isn't And

1:10:18.800 --> 1:10:21.160
<v Speaker 1>he's got elk to come on to his family's property,

1:10:21.240 --> 1:10:23.120
<v Speaker 1>but he's not eligible for the elk draws. He's not

1:10:23.160 --> 1:10:24.880
<v Speaker 1>a resident. I would look at it like this, his

1:10:25.000 --> 1:10:26.679
<v Speaker 1>name Scott, Scott. I would think about it a little

1:10:26.680 --> 1:10:30.080
<v Speaker 1>bit like this. Would you write us saying, hey, man,

1:10:30.680 --> 1:10:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I vote in Wisconsin, but I own a place in Michigan,

1:10:35.080 --> 1:10:38.160
<v Speaker 1>so I'd like to vote there too, Or would you

1:10:38.160 --> 1:10:43.040
<v Speaker 1>write into us and say, hey, I'm applying for unemployment

1:10:43.160 --> 1:10:47.719
<v Speaker 1>privileges in Wisconsin, but I have a place in Michigan.

1:10:47.800 --> 1:10:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I want to apply for unemployment benefits in Michigan too.

1:10:54.920 --> 1:10:56.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean, of course not, it wouldn't.

1:10:56.600 --> 1:10:58.840
<v Speaker 5>It wouldn't surprise me if there were a state out

1:10:58.840 --> 1:11:03.519
<v Speaker 5>there that had an on resident landowner category pricing difference.

1:11:03.640 --> 1:11:05.160
<v Speaker 1>No, because you know there's gonna be a lot of

1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:08.360
<v Speaker 1>money that's put into lobbying for that rule. Yep.

1:11:08.520 --> 1:11:11.559
<v Speaker 5>And you could picture how that rules would non resident

1:11:11.680 --> 1:11:14.120
<v Speaker 5>landowner of preferences in the draw, which has been a

1:11:14.479 --> 1:11:15.040
<v Speaker 5>you know a thing.

1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh, this guy should know about this, Scott, you're gonna

1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:22.639
<v Speaker 1>dig You're gonna dig this one. If the if your

1:11:22.680 --> 1:11:25.960
<v Speaker 1>situation was going on in other states, there'd probably be

1:11:26.040 --> 1:11:28.360
<v Speaker 1>a thing where you were eligible. There might be a

1:11:28.360 --> 1:11:31.640
<v Speaker 1>thing where you guys were eligible for landowner tags. That

1:11:31.720 --> 1:11:34.800
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't matter where you were a resident. Just this is

1:11:34.840 --> 1:11:37.559
<v Speaker 1>all happening to you in the wrong state. Yep.

1:11:38.520 --> 1:11:41.200
<v Speaker 5>But I'd look at it this way. You got a

1:11:41.240 --> 1:11:44.960
<v Speaker 5>great hunting camp in Michigan. You're resident of Wisconsin, so

1:11:45.000 --> 1:11:48.120
<v Speaker 5>you can hunt there. Tags are a little more expensive.

1:11:48.640 --> 1:11:49.519
<v Speaker 5>It sounds pretty good.

1:11:49.880 --> 1:11:51.479
<v Speaker 3>Ye how much are tags there?

1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:52.120
<v Speaker 7>Like?

1:11:52.200 --> 1:11:53.759
<v Speaker 3>How much are we talking about.

1:11:54.560 --> 1:11:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Not Western price non resident prices.

1:11:57.320 --> 1:12:00.479
<v Speaker 3>So it's not like if he that he'd be like

1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:01.680
<v Speaker 3>thousands of dollars.

1:12:01.439 --> 1:12:03.160
<v Speaker 2>And I'll bet you can shoot a whole pile of

1:12:03.200 --> 1:12:06.200
<v Speaker 2>deer on that Michigan license if you wanted to.

1:12:08.560 --> 1:12:12.280
<v Speaker 9>Sorry, Scott transfers his residence to Michigan and becomes an

1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:14.120
<v Speaker 9>out of stat or in Wisconsin.

1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:18.600
<v Speaker 5>Non resident looks like one hundred and ninety bucks versus.

1:12:18.439 --> 1:12:19.960
<v Speaker 2>That's a smoking deal forty bucks.

1:12:20.080 --> 1:12:22.120
<v Speaker 1>What I feel Scott should if he was gonna, if

1:12:22.200 --> 1:12:24.679
<v Speaker 1>he was going to rate out what chaps is ass more.

1:12:25.520 --> 1:12:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he should have greater ass chap over

1:12:28.400 --> 1:12:32.960
<v Speaker 1>the elk thing. Yeah. Yeah, that would chap my ass

1:12:33.000 --> 1:12:35.599
<v Speaker 1>more than the one ninety because he's hunting at home

1:12:35.640 --> 1:12:42.759
<v Speaker 1>for twenty bucks. Yeah in Wisconsin. Yeah, the elk thing's tough.

1:12:43.840 --> 1:12:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh you know what, here's the deal too. I could Okay,

1:12:48.200 --> 1:12:50.040
<v Speaker 1>my mom still lives in the house I was brought

1:12:50.120 --> 1:12:52.320
<v Speaker 1>up in. I could say to my mom. I could

1:12:52.360 --> 1:12:54.160
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, mom, we need to get my name.

1:12:55.439 --> 1:12:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to get my name on the deed to

1:12:59.080 --> 1:13:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the house. Yeah, so that I can start hunting there

1:13:01.920 --> 1:13:03.360
<v Speaker 1>as a resident. Yep.

1:13:05.680 --> 1:13:09.240
<v Speaker 5>I mean that's the that's a low. I feel like

1:13:09.280 --> 1:13:13.400
<v Speaker 5>that's why residency has to be very particular, you know,

1:13:13.520 --> 1:13:16.160
<v Speaker 5>like because because there's all kinds of ways guys could

1:13:17.120 --> 1:13:17.720
<v Speaker 5>fuzz it up.

1:13:17.840 --> 1:13:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You know what I would do. I would go

1:13:19.200 --> 1:13:22.439
<v Speaker 1>round to every state and I'd be like, I call realtor.

1:13:22.439 --> 1:13:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, I want to buy the dumbest, shittiest

1:13:24.960 --> 1:13:27.920
<v Speaker 1>little lot you can find, Like it doesn't even need

1:13:27.960 --> 1:13:30.760
<v Speaker 1>to be big enough for me to stand on. Yeah, Like,

1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:33.160
<v Speaker 1>if you can find any weird little thing I can buy.

1:13:33.600 --> 1:13:35.080
<v Speaker 1>That way, I could be a resident.

1:13:34.720 --> 1:13:36.320
<v Speaker 5>Of county with the lowest taxes.

1:13:36.400 --> 1:13:41.240
<v Speaker 1>That way, I cant as a resident there, Scott, be

1:13:41.280 --> 1:13:45.280
<v Speaker 1>shamed yourself, Scott, I don't know.

1:13:48.080 --> 1:13:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Thanks for being a listener of Scott.

1:13:53.160 --> 1:13:56.879
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, buddy, I love you to death, Scott.

1:13:57.000 --> 1:14:00.120
<v Speaker 1>But I just, oh, you know what I failed to say?

1:14:00.280 --> 1:14:07.760
<v Speaker 1>He says, am I just whinding over nothing. He's not

1:14:07.800 --> 1:14:10.599
<v Speaker 1>winding over Canna shorten that whole thing up and said,

1:14:10.680 --> 1:14:11.439
<v Speaker 1>uh huh, Yeah.

1:14:11.479 --> 1:14:14.479
<v Speaker 5>I mean he's not saying he's not saying I want

1:14:14.479 --> 1:14:16.880
<v Speaker 5>to get a resident tag. To be fair, he's not

1:14:16.920 --> 1:14:18.560
<v Speaker 5>saying I should be able to get a resident.

1:14:19.080 --> 1:14:21.439
<v Speaker 2>He's just saying somewhere in the middle, like, cut him

1:14:21.479 --> 1:14:21.960
<v Speaker 2>a break.

1:14:21.880 --> 1:14:24.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, somewhere the break. Yeah, twenty years of the military.

1:14:24.720 --> 1:14:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Cut me a break.

1:14:25.240 --> 1:14:26.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, let him apply for an elk tag.

1:14:27.040 --> 1:14:29.559
<v Speaker 1>So he ends his thing. In all fairness to Scott,

1:14:29.680 --> 1:14:31.800
<v Speaker 1>he ends this thing. So do I have a legitimate

1:14:31.840 --> 1:14:34.920
<v Speaker 1>complaint about paying non resident fees? Nor am I just

1:14:34.960 --> 1:14:45.800
<v Speaker 1>whining over nothing? Thanks for your thoughts on this. I

1:14:46.640 --> 1:14:48.599
<v Speaker 1>you know he should do. He should go hunt dogs place.

1:14:52.200 --> 1:14:52.679
<v Speaker 2>With dom.

1:14:53.160 --> 1:14:56.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with dogs. He should get a big pag of

1:14:56.280 --> 1:14:59.240
<v Speaker 1>dogs and go down and run him through Doug's property.

1:14:59.280 --> 1:15:03.800
<v Speaker 1>And where is she wear shoes in Dug's house? Don't

1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:06.400
<v Speaker 1>care Doug's house. You gotta put your shoes on to

1:15:06.439 --> 1:15:13.360
<v Speaker 1>go inside. You're looking at you like, yeah, I put

1:15:13.400 --> 1:15:16.920
<v Speaker 1>my shoes off, my rubber boots. I don't mean Doug's house.

1:15:16.960 --> 1:15:21.280
<v Speaker 1>That's mean Dougs the fucking camp. Yeah, their camp. But no, no,

1:15:21.360 --> 1:15:22.640
<v Speaker 1>And he cleans up and he kind of got he

1:15:22.680 --> 1:15:25.759
<v Speaker 1>used to have this thing where you know those uh,

1:15:26.040 --> 1:15:27.880
<v Speaker 1>those little lady bugs aren't ladybugs.

1:15:29.760 --> 1:15:30.760
<v Speaker 3>It's like white ones.

1:15:30.880 --> 1:15:33.000
<v Speaker 1>No, it looks just like a lady bug. But it's

1:15:33.000 --> 1:15:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Asian Japanese.

1:15:35.320 --> 1:15:36.880
<v Speaker 2>You're not talking about Japanese beetles.

1:15:36.920 --> 1:15:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we had a lot of those around. Oh

1:15:39.280 --> 1:15:42.840
<v Speaker 1>my god. They carpet the place, you know, like you

1:15:43.320 --> 1:15:45.640
<v Speaker 1>know those little pole cords in the upstairs. They got

1:15:45.680 --> 1:15:47.920
<v Speaker 1>like a four foot ceiling where we sleep up there,

1:15:48.400 --> 1:15:50.640
<v Speaker 1>and he's got pole cords. You you know, turn the

1:15:50.680 --> 1:15:54.439
<v Speaker 1>light on off, it'll be that, it'll be that they'll

1:15:54.720 --> 1:16:00.519
<v Speaker 1>those little Japanese beetles will be covering the pole beetle.

1:16:00.600 --> 1:16:01.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1:16:01.400 --> 1:16:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Now they're like a shiny copper color.

1:16:04.280 --> 1:16:05.360
<v Speaker 1>It looks like a ladybug.

1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Then we're not talking about the same thing.

1:16:10.520 --> 1:16:11.880
<v Speaker 1>I was just trying to wrap the show up on

1:16:12.200 --> 1:16:13.000
<v Speaker 1>type in like.

1:16:13.240 --> 1:16:15.959
<v Speaker 4>Six people with with computers. Let's see how long this takes.

1:16:16.479 --> 1:16:22.639
<v Speaker 1>Looks like a ladybug, but not it is a dude.

1:16:22.680 --> 1:16:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Looks like a lady Barosmith, Asian lady, Asian lady.

1:16:27.280 --> 1:16:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Beatles, Mexican bean beetle. Look at that.

1:16:33.760 --> 1:16:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Asian lady beetles, so Mexicans. So many of those were

1:16:37.600 --> 1:16:39.439
<v Speaker 1>in his place that you know those pull cords you

1:16:39.479 --> 1:16:42.680
<v Speaker 1>go c lights on and off, it would be I'm

1:16:42.680 --> 1:16:45.240
<v Speaker 1>not you think I'm exaggerating, I'm not. So many of

1:16:45.280 --> 1:16:48.400
<v Speaker 1>them on that string that the ones in the bottom,

1:16:48.520 --> 1:16:52.680
<v Speaker 1>like ah, fall away, and there's more coming across the

1:16:52.720 --> 1:16:54.960
<v Speaker 1>ceiling and getting on the rope and like the lower

1:16:55.000 --> 1:16:58.120
<v Speaker 1>guys like I get burn, hang on off I mean

1:16:59.800 --> 1:17:03.479
<v Speaker 1>you wake up, they're in your hair. So yeah, when

1:17:03.479 --> 1:17:05.559
<v Speaker 1>that was going on, you'd have to put your shoes,

1:17:05.600 --> 1:17:07.760
<v Speaker 1>you'd want to put shoes on and go in. But

1:17:07.800 --> 1:17:12.599
<v Speaker 1>he had a he had a infestation exterminator type dude

1:17:12.600 --> 1:17:14.160
<v Speaker 1>to come out and put some stuff on the walls

1:17:14.200 --> 1:17:16.439
<v Speaker 1>to try to get a grip on it. It was bad.

1:17:17.880 --> 1:17:19.919
<v Speaker 1>So now not even gonna talk about the flies.

1:17:22.880 --> 1:17:25.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh, this is interesting about the Asian lady me dog.

1:17:25.880 --> 1:17:27.640
<v Speaker 1>I love that place, man, It's my favorite place in

1:17:27.640 --> 1:17:31.640
<v Speaker 1>the world. All right, thanks for joining everybody. Tune in

1:17:31.720 --> 1:17:49.679
<v Speaker 1>next time. Off the dark of a lake.

1:17:51.160 --> 1:17:52.760
<v Speaker 8>Enough to suffer.

1:17:57.880 --> 1:18:02.880
<v Speaker 1>The size thick, But I don't ever come and see

1:18:03.080 --> 1:18:04.880
<v Speaker 1>my ugly stack.

1:18:08.560 --> 1:18:14.400
<v Speaker 7>On the ground door tree, your pupkin, see.

1:18:15.479 --> 1:18:27.840
<v Speaker 8>All lad me an from this world's.

1:18:23.760 --> 1:18:42.000
<v Speaker 7>Band fish and squirrel, but the sun of dogs with

1:18:42.240 --> 1:18:45.840
<v Speaker 7>too much fur, my new best friends.

1:18:45.360 --> 1:18:55.360
<v Speaker 8>A mountain, American maid, box and rays staring.

1:18:55.200 --> 1:18:59.160
<v Speaker 1>The eye of the black fans.

1:19:01.600 --> 1:19:02.559
<v Speaker 8>On the ground.

1:19:02.680 --> 1:19:07.040
<v Speaker 1>No tree, but you're called can see.

1:19:15.520 --> 1:19:21.040
<v Speaker 8>Maybe your home mouth leaves and waves of fulfilled disentional

1:19:21.280 --> 1:19:24.680
<v Speaker 8>dem as a dream as a.

1:19:24.880 --> 1:19:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Dream and fish swep.

1:19:33.600 --> 1:20:03.360
<v Speaker 8>And fish and squirrel, fish and squirrel, a finish school,

1:20:09.360 --> 1:20:15.599
<v Speaker 8>finish

1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:22.639
<v Speaker 1>And finishing school,