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Speaker 1: Krinn is among other things, well, no, she's only doing

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Speaker 1: one thing. Among other things that will happened on today's

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Speaker 1: show is Krinn. You will be able to listen to

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Speaker 1: Karinn unless you're on YouTube that you can watch it happen.

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Speaker 1: Does she got a camera at her phil? Yeah, you'll

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Speaker 1: be able to listen to and or watch krinn less.

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Speaker 1: Her first coyote huge flaws?

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Speaker 2: Is that like a homemade Ulu?

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Speaker 1: There the homemade Who I did not make this. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you about it in a minute. Uh, Trien, did

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Speaker 1: you grow up calling them coyotes?

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Speaker 3: Wiley?

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Speaker 1: Okay, now that you've got one, you'll switch. I found

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Speaker 1: that people, Yeah, people that say coyote have likely gotten one,

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Speaker 1: and people that say coyote, haven't.

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Speaker 4: I say coyote? Does that track?

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Speaker 1: I code switch? There's a number of tools here that

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Speaker 1: she's gonna be doing in my she's gonna I'm reluctant

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Speaker 1: to let her use this. This is a a dexter.

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Speaker 1: This is an assemble draw knife or flashy knife people.

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Speaker 1: You know, you might call it necker knife. This is

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Speaker 1: a good way for you to put a hole in that.

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna let you use the backside. So this

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Speaker 1: is your cutting edge. Okay, this is your pushing edge.

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Speaker 1: You're allowed to use the pushing edge. The cutting edge

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Speaker 1: you'll have to spend more time figuring out on.

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Speaker 5: And for listeners, it's a sixteen inch blade with a

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Speaker 5: draw knife, handles at both sides.

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Speaker 1: Yourself, yourself a new mental tape.

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Speaker 2: Kind of looks like a machete with a handle on

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Speaker 1: Don't boom. It's like a ninja sword. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: ninja sword. Cut it in half and put a handle

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Speaker 1: on the other end of the blade. M hm, katana

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Speaker 1: Is that what they call them?

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Speaker 5: Oh that's the traditional yeah, yeah, curved blade.

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Speaker 1: You know, I highly recommend for parents speaking of ninja swords.

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Speaker 1: Is nunchucks. No, man, we have more fun throwing stars.

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Speaker 1: We buy ninja throwing stars. You can't buy them on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: You have to go to ninja supply houses. But we

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Speaker 1: go to online ninja supply houses and buying ninja throwing stars.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing more fun.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever make them out of sheet metal?

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Speaker 1: You never could make anything that was as good as

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Speaker 6: Still fun, but kids safe ones at Costco. Now there

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Speaker 6: throwing stars?

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Speaker 2: No, sorry, Were they made out of belcrow or something?

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Speaker 6: I couldn't tell you what they're made out of?

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Speaker 6: If it's not a throwing star, I'm talking eight in

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Speaker 1: We like seven and eight point four star ninja throwing star.

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Speaker 1: A four point ninja throwing star means that halftime it

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Speaker 1: don't do anything. You get an eight point ninja throwing star,

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Speaker 1: that's some bitch is gonna stick.

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Speaker 2: You're a big block of wood, big round of wood

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We took a big slab of cottonwood and I

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Speaker 1: cottonwood stump. They dry out and fall apart, but you

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Speaker 1: important step that is such horseshit. Yeah, what come.

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Speaker 5: Did they practice from different positions, you know, like kneeling?

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Speaker 1: But the problem is, you're never gonna kill anybody with

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Speaker 2: The old movie is just like dude would get hit

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Speaker 1: gonna go, oh, that's probably what I've got a one

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Speaker 1: made this Ulu knife. You know, it's cool as ship.

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Speaker 1: We we're this project I'm working on that. I haven't

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Speaker 1: State Archaeological Experiment Lab. And he made an Ulu with

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it have a handler, It's just a chunk of rock.

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Speaker 1: Ulus came from. One hundred percent. Man Krim might be

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Speaker 1: get that off, matter, don't take that off. Don't take

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Speaker 1: at on this kyote fleshing project. Uh I okay. Stu

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Speaker 1: Stu Miller traps in southern Illinois. He fleshes his kyotes down, clean, clean, clean,

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Speaker 1: I said, how clean do does when you send it

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Speaker 1: or it would go to a tannery just like that

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Speaker 1: brilliant idea of he said, why don't you call the tannery?

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Speaker 1: HM never would have occurred to me. I called the tannery.

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Speaker 1: I said, how do you like coyotes? They said, excess fat,

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Speaker 2: What I'm having heard now, I'm saying, like why did

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Speaker 1: So you don't overdo it? I think that you're that

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Speaker 1: you're taking it all off. And now they have these wheels,

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Speaker 1: these kind of like they have these wheels that they

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Speaker 2: But there's got to be other critters where you're trying

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff that's clean. A raccoon is clean, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like a muskrat. You leave the saddle, like right now,

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Speaker 1: krim's on the saddle. Pinch that little thing there.

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Speaker 3: It feels like it's not doing anything.

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Speaker 1: That's like a saddle. Just cut the take take the

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Speaker 1: flattail made by a man who sat right where Brody's

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Speaker 1: Beaver clean, nothing gets left on. And a kyo. I

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Speaker 1: think they used to do them clean, but they told

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Speaker 1: but you see down when she gets down by the

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Speaker 1: the teats, that's a female, right. Oh, she just put

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Speaker 1: a damn hole in it.

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Speaker 4: No, not yet, not yet, okay, damn it.

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Speaker 2: Excess fat and excess meat cameras are a This is

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Speaker 2: the worst case scenario for someone doing this to a

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Speaker 2: kaya for the first time.

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Speaker 4: Oh so a lot of pressure. Oh, you at the

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Speaker 4: table and three cameras pointing thet here.

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Speaker 1: zone like if you're gonna get that specific, Oh, it

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Speaker 1: probably rolls. It probably rolls.

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Speaker 1: Is that what this is?

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Speaker 4: Correct?

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, this is like sad through the

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Speaker 1: whole parents meeting. And I said to her afterward, the

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Speaker 1: second the guy was done talking, we're still sitting there,

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Speaker 1: and I said, I have one of those things for

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Speaker 1: you that you're gonna be annoyed that I said, you're

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Speaker 1: not gonna take it seriously and you're never gonna give

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Speaker 1: it it's due. And this intrigued her to want to

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Speaker 1: know what exactly it was, and it was this, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't like any part of this whole thing. Why

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Speaker 1: would you want to without knowing these kids, all these

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Speaker 1: kids in high school, they're even talking about parents donating

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Speaker 1: money to support speech and debate.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I got to hear more about why you don't

446
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Speaker 2: like it.

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Speaker 5: Like teaching your kids martial arts.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm getting there as someone. It occurred to me

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Speaker 1: midway something. It occurred to me midway through this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know their ethics in ideology? Why would I

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Speaker 1: want to spend money training them and being convincing when

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they're going to try to convince

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Speaker 1: people of. I would spend it in infusing them with

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Speaker 1: my ethics in ideology, and then of those who adopted

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Speaker 1: that them, I would then teach them to be convincing.

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Speaker 1: But how could I just come into a room of

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Speaker 1: high school kids and want them all to you convincing

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Speaker 1: when I don't know? And I came up with a slogan,

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Speaker 1: today's kids are tomorrow's enemies. That's a good one.

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Speaker 4: It's like, that's one of your best.

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Speaker 1: It just occurred to me, and my wife, in fact,

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Speaker 1: did not give it its due. She still hasn't given

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Speaker 1: me what she thinks about the whole Well.

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Speaker 4: I think the idea is that it's like they're teaching them,

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Speaker 4: They're giving them a template that they can slot in

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Speaker 4: ideology as they get older and form their own opinions.

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Speaker 1: But how do we need them certain how do we

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Speaker 1: know that? We don't take a kid and make him

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Speaker 1: super good at being convincing and then and then he

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Speaker 1: goes out and convinces people to do horrible stuff.

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Speaker 2: Becomes an anti hunting like yes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to be like people be like, my god,

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Speaker 1: how do you get so good at convincing everybody of that?

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Speaker 1: And I'd be like, oh, you know, I donated twenty

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Speaker 1: dollars to his speech and debate program. Perhaps I'm to blame.

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Speaker 5: I thought this is gonna be one of those scenarios

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Speaker 5: where like the ex pro basketball player is watching his

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Speaker 5: son get coached by a guy who never played pro

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Speaker 5: bound steps.

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Speaker 1: That's not how you do that. That's gotta happen. No,

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Speaker 1: it really, it really shook it really shook me up.

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Speaker 3: Can I interrupt for a second? How good are spin it?

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Speaker 1: You're looking very good? Spin it? Spin it? Okay, we

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Speaker 1: got to sol that hole with what's called the baseball stitch.

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Speaker 4: Or can you pull that other towards you so we

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Speaker 4: can see that.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, now you'll see that there's a set nail

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Speaker 1: on the bottom of that stretching board, krin behind you,

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Speaker 1: a double headed nail on the bottom. Over here, No,

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Speaker 1: the bottom of that stretching board. You're pointing to a

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Speaker 1: fleshing beam, the one against them. Turn your attention to

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Speaker 1: the fleshing to the stretcher, and you'll see at the

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Speaker 1: bottom of it there is a double headed nail. Pull

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Speaker 1: that double head to nail out that will collapse and

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Speaker 1: you can pull that kayut off that board. Make sure

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Speaker 1: there's no thumbtack in it anywhere.

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Speaker 4: How it come out.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, he says, so kindly inform max care Dds. This

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Speaker 1: is the part I like the most. We're back to this,

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Speaker 1: so kindly inform max care dds that my formula drinking,

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Speaker 1: pre chewed, dear me eating baby would whoop his baby

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Speaker 1: any day of the week. That would be a great

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Speaker 1: show if we had babies come and fight on this table.

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Speaker 4: I think it would charge a pretty penny for tomorrow's enemies.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's where he adds the mostly joking at

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Speaker 5: the end of that.

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Speaker 1: No good you. You raise good points, but you raise

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Speaker 1: good points, thank you, Matthew. Uh uh, who wants to

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Speaker 1: set that. We're gonna move move our attention over to Virginia. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a letter to someone rotents. We'll just

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Speaker 1: tack we'll tackle this whole thing. Uh, my good friend

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Speaker 1: bubbly Doug Duran, who I adore, he's got some gripes.

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Speaker 1: He's got some land owner uh gripage about this next subject.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about deer hunting with hounds.

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Speaker 2: Like personal experienced gripage or he just generally makes him uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: No, I gotta explain a thing because I'm a little

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Speaker 1: ahead of myself. We're gonna move our attention to deer

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Speaker 1: hunting with hounds in Virginia. The debate around that. Now

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Speaker 1: that's in the South. You can do that just generally,

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Speaker 1: like there's a culture of hound hunting for deer in

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Speaker 1: the South, and there's not a culture of hound hunting

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Speaker 1: for deer in the North. In the North, it's illegal,

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Speaker 1: and there's a handful of Southern states. No no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no no. You remember a podcast episode we had

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Speaker 1: that was called skip the flip. Mm hmmm, we're not

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Speaker 1: skipping the flip.

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Speaker 4: For those listeners at home. He's referring to Corenes on

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Speaker 4: the stretch to get back to the town thing.

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Speaker 1: You got to put him on inside out and then

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Speaker 1: you dry him overnight inside out and then you flip

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Speaker 1: it or else it'll dry to the board. So skip

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Speaker 1: the flip. Because Mercer Long lives in the Mojave Desert,

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Speaker 1: and he was pointing out that where he lives is

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Speaker 1: so dry that they don't do he doesn't need to

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Speaker 1: do the two part dry. He skips the flip and

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Speaker 1: just puts it on hair side out right. But you

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Speaker 1: need to dry the outside and then flip it so

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Speaker 1: that it doesn't stick to the board and get rotten.

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Speaker 1: So it'll flip in the morning. Okay, all rights, Yep,

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Speaker 1: you're getting there. I don't stretch, No, no, don't stretch.

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Speaker 1: Just snug it up. Snug it up on there. You'll

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Speaker 1: get more now, and then go ahead and pin those

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Speaker 1: ears up so it looks like that one for now.

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Speaker 1: Just pin him up, yep. Just give him a light.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't lay it kind of roll it, don't Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, don't not tight. You don't want to make

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Speaker 1: a lot of surface connection. There's a light little pinning.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Hound hunting for deer, and and I know that like

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Speaker 1: dog has where Douglaves is popular to run coyotes with dogs,

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Speaker 1: hm and Doug has Doug I hate to put I'm

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Speaker 1: not putting words in his mouth. We'll find well, Doug

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Speaker 1: is brought up Doug has brought up the difficulty of

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Speaker 1: in his area, the near impossibility of preventing your dogs

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Speaker 1: from hunting other people's property.

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Speaker 2: Because you're talking about small farms, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like, you know, you got an area of

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Speaker 1: small dairy farms and you turn them out on a coyote.

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Speaker 1: The kyle goes wherever he wants. The dogs are going

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Speaker 1: wherever the kyo went, and you can't really even kind

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Speaker 1: of suggest that you have any control over your dogs

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Speaker 1: being in other people's places. So you're sitting there deer

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Speaker 1: hunt and also you know, here comes to everybody's pack

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Speaker 1: of dogs and he says it causes a lot of

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Speaker 1: consternation in this area.

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Speaker 2: It's there's no rule against letting your dog run on

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Speaker 2: other people's ground.

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Speaker 1: I don't know is that true.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm asking like I would assume it's legal for it,

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Speaker 2: Like you're not doing anything wrong and wrong if your

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Speaker 2: dog runs a coyot across three or four different properties.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know this and this state that we're sitting

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Speaker 1: in right now. If a dog attacks your livestock. There's

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Speaker 1: no questions asked. You can kill that dog right for

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Speaker 1: harrassing your livestock right away. So here's a lessener feedback.

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Speaker 1: This is from a listener. Yes, okay, the guy says

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Speaker 1: this recently, I state rejected regulations around the use of

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Speaker 1: dogs for deer hunting, the mandated use of GPS collars,

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Speaker 1: and making reasonable effort to ensure dogs can't enter property

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Speaker 1: where owners have requested dogs not be run. I'm torn

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Speaker 1: on this issue because I see it as a slippery

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Speaker 1: slope on both sides. Meaning okay, So he's saying the

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Speaker 1: state considered but ultimately rejected regulations that would have mandated

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Speaker 1: deer hound hunters mandated that they put the GPS collar

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Speaker 1: on their dogs so that they know where the dog is,

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Speaker 1: and then with using that GPS tracking collar, make effort

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Speaker 1: to keep their dogs off of people's property.

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Speaker 2: With a lot of those units, you can hit like

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Speaker 2: a callback button that that dog will stop doing whatever

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Speaker 2: it's doing and turn around.

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Speaker 1: He says, I'm torn on this issue because I see

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Speaker 1: it as a slippery slope on both sides. On the

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Speaker 1: one hand, I do not run dogs to hunt deer

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Speaker 1: and have had many deer in Turkey hunts in recent

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Speaker 1: years disturbed by a pack of dogs dogs running through

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Speaker 1: the properties I can access. Given the limited weekend time

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Speaker 1: I have to hunt between work responsibilities and small kids,

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Speaker 1: having game runoff because of a pack of dogs coming

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Speaker 1: onto a property is frustrating. I can also understand the

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Speaker 1: frustration of property owners who have a pack of dogs

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Speaker 1: run through and disturb their land, their livestock, or the

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Speaker 1: game and habitat on their property. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: I recognize that hound hunting deer is an important tradition

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Speaker 1: that many people in Virginia is an important tradition to

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Speaker 1: many people in Virginia. And though I don't run dogs

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Speaker 1: for deer hunting, I have hunted. I have fox hunted

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Speaker 1: with a pack of hounds, a pretty similar practice. I

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Speaker 1: realized that in this way, my stance is somewhat hypocritical.

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Speaker 1: Regulations on hunting fox with dogs in places like England

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Speaker 1: have made my state one of the last I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: edit this a little bit. He's saying that his state

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Speaker 1: is one of the last refuges of the sporting tradition

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Speaker 1: of hound hunting with dogs. What fox hunting with dogs?

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Speaker 2: No, it's just like he's just saying, it's one of

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Speaker 2: the last places you can use hounds, which is a little.

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Speaker 5: He's saying, regulations on fox hunts in England have.

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Speaker 1: Made my state one of the last fox hunting is

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Speaker 1: all I got you. No, no, no, no, he's saying. Here's

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Speaker 1: what he's saying. I think he's saying, like, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: in places like England, they've regulated the piss out of

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Speaker 1: hunt with dogs, fox hunting to the point whebase he

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Speaker 1: can't do it. So he's saying, so with England out

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Speaker 1: of the picture, Virginia has become one of the last

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Speaker 1: places for the sporting tradition of hunting fox with hounds.

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00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: That's what he's saying. Yep. And he's saying that being

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Speaker 1: able to hunt foxes with hounds is very effective and

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Speaker 1: helping to manage fox and kyo populations. And he says also,

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Speaker 1: just like deer hunting with dogs is constantly under attack,

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Speaker 1: fox hunting is also constantly under attack in Virginia from

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Speaker 1: the usual suspects in the animal rights community. He goes on,

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Speaker 1: I recognize the near possibility of keeping a large pack

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Speaker 1: of dogs together and off adjoining properties while they are

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Speaker 1: on the hunt, and I realized that hound hunters don't

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Speaker 1: want to give an inch on the deer hunting issue

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Speaker 1: because of the need to guard the gate, Meaning deer

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Speaker 1: hound hunters in Virginia are fighting for the defense of

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Speaker 1: their lifestyle and they're not in the mood to entertain compromises.

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Speaker 1: And he says, which I fully understand and support. I

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Speaker 1: also personally don't believe that the most recent proposed regulations

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Speaker 1: would be all that effective in keeping a pack of

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Speaker 1: dogs off adjoining properties. So that being said, what do

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Speaker 1: you think can be done in cases like this where

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Speaker 1: hunters are adversely affected by the actions and traditions of

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Speaker 1: other hunters. I do think there is a legitimate question

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Speaker 1: around the rights of private property owners, which would benefit

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Speaker 1: me personally. But by regulating one group of hunters in

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Speaker 1: this way, aren't we cracking open the door for the

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Speaker 1: slow erosion of other hunting traditions?

649
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Speaker 2: Very well, put, yep, that's the problem. Like, you know,

650
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: it doesn't bother you unless it's affecting you directly, right,

651
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: But then when it affects you directly, it's like, you.

652
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: Know, where does that put you?

653
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: There's no good answer, right, Like no.

654
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: If I came from otters, if I lived on a

655
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: planet outer space, I'll tell my kids there to day

656
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: that from other planets perspectives weren't outer space. I was

657
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: going to say, you live on a planet. You know

658
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They have a very like them centric worldview.

659
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: I was trying to be like, you know, we're in

660
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: outer space. If someone isn't another.

661
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 4: If aliens came here, they're talking about aliens.

662
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: They're talking about us being in outer space anyhow, if

663
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: other than a planet an outer space. And I was

664
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: totally not I was like, totally rational but completely unhip

665
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: to social morase on Earth. Follow and someone said, hey, man,

666
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, as a Martian, do you think that someone

667
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: should be able to take a big pack of dogs

668
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: and and the person can't go on the neighbor's place,

669
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: but he can send his dogs around that neighbor's place

670
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: to chase the deer back over to his place so

671
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: he can shoot him. As a Martian, unattuned to, not

672
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: tuned into moras on planet Earth, I would be like, no,

673
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't think you should be able to do that. Yeah,

674
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: it's called Mars Justice. Sounds like a show, like like

675
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm not into any kind of you know, as a Martian,

676
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm not into like any kind of long term like

677
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I just take face value arguments, right,

678
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't know the history.

679
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 5: Yeah that makes sense, But I'm not from Mars.

680
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: I mean, if if you had a pack of dogs

681
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: screw up your hunt a time or two, it'd be

682
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: hard to have the attitude like I'm gonna take one

683
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: for the team here, right.

684
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: M h. I'll put that Martian thing in another way.

685
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: Let's say you were setting up a whole new state.

686
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: Like you got a whole new state, and you're in

687
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: charge of setting up a whole new state, and you

688
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: gotta like figure out all the rules. And when this

689
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: came up and they said, well, what are we gonna

690
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: do about? Like we all agree that you can't go

691
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: on another guy's lamb without permission, right, And everybody's like, oh, yeah,

692
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: that's that's obvious. And they go, what about if he

693
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: sends his big old pack of dogs all around in

694
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: the neighbor's place, it brings all them to your back

695
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: and and he gets them on his place. What should

696
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: we do in our new state? There's no tradition, Yeah,

697
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: there's no tradition. Part of that. So I'm trying to

698
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: get at with this Martian stuff. There's I'm not considering tradition. Yeah,

699
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: I would be like, in this state, this traditionless state,

700
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: I would say that I don't think you should be

701
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: able to do that.

702
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, But we're not talking about a new state. We're

703
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: talking about a state that has a long tradition.

704
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 4: Of This is like you're if days were forty eight

705
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: hours long, argument, then why it would be okay to

706
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: wear the same outfit for those forty eight hours?

707
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: Like why I wear my clothes two days in a row.

708
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 4: Now, if we lived at a completely different reality, then

709
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 4: they would be different.

710
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 5: Yes, I I mean this I think raises the question.

711
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 5: Like in Montana, we actually did create a new hound

712
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 5: hunting opportunity for black bears recently, and at the time

713
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 5: it was proposed, I was a little nervous that going

714
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 5: out in the spring it would be a different experience.

715
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like I didn't.

716
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 5: It's not like I don't support hound hunting, you know,

717
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 5: straight all over the place because this is about private property, buddy, Well, no,

718
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 5: I'm we're talking about tradition and whether we're creating tradition

719
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 5: or or like creating a new opportunity. And I will say,

720
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 5: like my concerns.

721
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: About that you're talking about my new state.

722
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, that I was falling up that that question. Like,

723
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 5: I mean, there are instances where it's not just a

724
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 5: new state, but there are new traditions being proposed understood.

725
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 5: And I will say, like it it didn't change the

726
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 5: spring blackbird hunt in the way that I thought it might.

727
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: But I got an answer for this guy just needs

728
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: to package. Here we go, just answer he just needs

729
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: to get a pack of dogs. The problem solved.

730
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: But I do think that it can't beat them, join them.

731
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 5: The private property thing is weird because I killed I

732
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 5: killed a lion a couple of years ago, and when

733
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 5: the dogs are chasing that lion, they picked up another

734
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 5: lion and some of the lions. Some of the dogs

735
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 5: went down and tree a cat on private property and

736
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 5: like a little subdivision.

737
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: But allowed to go legally, go get your dogs off.

738
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 5: We I mean we went down and knocked on the

739
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 5: door and got the dogs and the cat presumably I'm

740
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 5: pretty sure, but it was still I mean, it still

741
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 5: feels very uncomfortable, right. I'm kind of like because I

742
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 5: do think like if if I were that homeowner. And

743
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 5: I looked out my window and there's like a couple

744
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 5: of guys pulling their dogs away from a tree and

745
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 5: there's a cat up there. Like yeah, that's it's a

746
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 5: little weird, and I felt funny about it.

747
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: But what you're gonna do. I've totally changed my mind

748
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: now that I thought about them more. Now, if I

749
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: was setting up a new state and someone brought this up,

750
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: you know what I would think to myself, everybody has

751
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: to have dogs. No picture this, just let me walk it.

752
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: Let me picture a scenario.

753
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 7: Here.

754
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: We're looking at extremes. I'm looking at the extreme of

755
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: the he sends all his dogs over there. He sends

756
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: like thirty dogs over there to do like an organized

757
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: drive right and like strip this guy's property of deer.

758
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: That's an extround view. But picture this pictures little Tommy.

759
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: Little Tommy Dickinson is hunting rabbits with his beagle on

760
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: the fence line with old Man Morgan. So we got

761
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: little Tommy Dickinson hunting old Man Morgan's fence line, and

762
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: he's got his little beagle, Patsy. Patsy periodically is under

763
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: the fence, across the fence, under the fence across the fence.

764
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: What do you do? Shoot Tommy Dickinson or dog shoot Patsy?

765
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying, shoot him both? Of course not.

766
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: He can't control Patsy's going around Old man Morgan's in

767
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: his place. Yeah, no, want to live in a place

768
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: like this.

769
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 6: That rabbit runs out of Morgan's deck and then followed

770
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 6: him under.

771
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: The deck, and Morgan's on the deck sleeping.

772
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 5: What if the dog goes into Morgan's house he starts

773
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 5: eating his cat's food.

774
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: And it gets sticky. That's why this is a tricky one.

775
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: Because it's a tricky one, you almost want to make

776
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: a rule that says like, don't push it. Oh yeah, yeah,

777
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: if you're a hound hunter, don't push it. Control your dogs,

778
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: don't push it.

779
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or look, you could kind of train up hound

780
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: hunters to be like we're doing a deer push here

781
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: with our hounds. Knock on some doors in advance, let

782
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: the landowners know, maybe they'll come. I don't know, like

783
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: there's ways that like handle this that might make it

784
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: more palatable to people.

785
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: Okay, let me hit you with this one. Then, since

786
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: we're playing this game, I've talked about this, we have

787
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: our rough cut episode. We got a rough cut episode.

788
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: We talked about a bunch where me and seth ur

789
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: ratland bucks down in Texas. Now we're hunting on a

790
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: property where they don't do any kind of like food

791
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: feeding licks, mineral licks. Nothing's got natural water, well like

792
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: dirt tanks for cattle and natural food. That's it. They

793
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: don't lift a finger for the deer for feeding them.

794
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: The neighboring place is a very managed deer property, okay,

795
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: And they got all the feeders and all that kind

796
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: of stuff they're putting out like they're like deworming the

797
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: deer all kinds.

798
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: Of but not high fences are they doing?

799
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: No, No, gotcha no, but they're like taking care of deer,

800
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: managing deer. We we would make a habit of sitting

801
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: close to that border, rattling, trying to rattle over the

802
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: big those real healthy ones, trying to rattle over these

803
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: like high protein megabucks. Could you make the case, well,

804
00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: you're sound, you're sound is coming onto my property taking

805
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: my deer. No, you couldn't. Come on.

806
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: It's a dog versus some rattling.

807
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: It's just if you're setting up a new state. This

808
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: is all stuff you gotta consider. Yeah, yeah, I.

809
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 5: Mean, I I that one is. I don't think there's

810
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 5: any like wrong there. But yeah, if I was like

811
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 5: managing my dear herd and the neighbor just always.

812
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: Set up on the property line, right, you might put

813
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: a fence up.

814
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might put a fence up. That's a big

815
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: part of growing up, though, is whatever place you have

816
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: permission to hunt on or whatever public mind you got,

817
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: like you edge it. You know, the best hunting is

818
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: right on the edge. You can get permission to be

819
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: Like some guy's got three hundred acres and you look

820
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: over at that neighbor's place and you're like, I'm gonna

821
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: sit around. It's gotta be better over there. And the

822
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: neighbor's taking to say anything about your place, so his

823
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: tree stands also right on the edge of the property

824
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: you got frishon.

825
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 7: Uh.

826
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: But you know, but I can only take this New

827
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: State Mars stuff so far, because like, there is the

828
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: tradition thing. I've just really my sympathies go out to

829
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: the hound hunters who are doing the same thing, but

830
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: the the culture is changing around them. Yeah, let me

831
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: ask you this, they're like holdouts.

832
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: If if this was Virginia. Yeah, let's say a ballot

833
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: box movement came up to just outlaw hound hunting, dear

834
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: hound hunting. Like, what you know, something just happened in Colorado.

835
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: I'd fight it tooth and nail.

836
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: Okay, that's I mean, that's what it boils down.

837
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: I'd carpet bag it from out here.

838
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think.

839
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 2: Like, you know what, that's a reference to someone drawing

840
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: some bags in a carpet or a carpet and a

841
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: bag reconstruction.

842
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: I know, why'd you act like you're dumb?

843
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: Because you obviously wanted to explain it.

844
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: Thank you. You're like, he explain it no matter.

845
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 5: Why you act like you were dumb because I knew

846
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 5: you wanted to act like you were smart.

847
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,959
Speaker 1: Up, Thanks many thanks.

848
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 5: My reaction to this guy's letter is like, yeah, it's complicated,

849
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 5: you know, like he sees it from a lot of

850
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 5: different ways than I do too.

851
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: I'll propose it. I'm gonna propose the most the only

852
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: constructive thing I have to say on this thing. I

853
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: would if I was a if I I'm not a

854
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: deer hound hunter in Virginia, but I'm an occasional recreational

855
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: trapper in Montana. I don't always do just what I

856
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: I don't always do what I could. I don't always

857
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: do what I could totally because in my mind, I'm like, yeah,

858
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: you know, you could do that. You could do that.

859
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: You might get someone real upset, but you can do it.

860
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: But I could also do it over there and not

861
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: have anybody get real upset. And sure I could do that,

862
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: but I'm just not gonna do it, yeah, because I

863
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: don't wanna, you know, I don't when I sense that

864
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm doing a thing that like, well, yeah you could,

865
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: but I shy away from those in those moments, you know.

866
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: And if I was a deer hound hunter in Virginia

867
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: and I thought there's nothing stopping me from hunting what

868
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: was his name, though, Man Morgan Morgan. I know old

869
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: Man Morgan has asked me a hundred times not to

870
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: hunt his place on the opening day, but he can't

871
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: stop me. Yeah, well, it's the song I'm gonna hunt

872
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: Old Man Morton.

873
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 5: I feel like the same way when I'm gonna go

874
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 5: hunt a spot and there's two trucks parked where I

875
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 5: wanted to park. My attitude isn't like I can do

876
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 5: whatever I want. It's kind of like if I were

877
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 5: parked here, I wouldn't want someone to pull him behind me.

878
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna put decoys on that pond and no

879
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: one can stop me, So move your decoys over.

880
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 5: I was gonna sit in that tree, and there's a

881
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 5: guy sitting in this tree, I'm gonna sit right next

882
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 5: to him.

883
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say, if you're a dear hound hunter in Virginia,

884
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: the best way to make sure it sticks around for

885
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: a while to just show some courtesy and some restraint.

886
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: Moving on across the country to Arizona.

887
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: No, we're not doing this.

888
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: We're skipping this. Maner Well, no, he's just asking a question.

889
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: No, no, this is this is not.

890
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: Oh we're skipping this. Should Yeah, moving on across the

891
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: country to reciprocity the Dakotas. Yeah, moving to the Dakotas.

892
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,959
Speaker 1: Kind of across the country, we could across a chunk

893
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: of it. On a recent podcast episode six seventeen, if

894
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: you haven't put this together yet, we're talking about old

895
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: podcast episode discussion points. We touched on a thing that

896
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: states do called reciprocity, and I had always known reciprocity

897
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: only under the interesting little management. I'm struggling here. I

898
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: had known reciprocity only in one context, and for bearer management.

899
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: They use reciprocity to even the playing field from one

900
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: state to the next according to how their policies toward

901
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: non residents. That was a terrible sentence. Put hear me out.

902
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: Montana historically has not allowed non residents to buy a

903
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: fur harvester license. Okay, so of the species that are

904
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: living or managed as fur bearing animals muskrat, mink otter, beaver, bobcat. Okay,

905
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: there manages fur bearing animals. There was no non resident

906
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to do with that in Montana. They changed it,

907
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: but there wasn't so they would set Other states would

908
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: set up a thing called reciprocity, meaning a state would

909
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: say we will sell you a non resident trapping permit

910
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: if your state would sell one of our residents a

911
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: non resident trapping permit. It and because of reciprocity, if

912
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: you lived in Montana, you didn't fur trap out of

913
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,959
Speaker 1: state in a state that practiced reciprocity. Because they're like, dude,

914
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: you can't prevent like you're preventing our citizens from buying

915
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: the tags, but then you want to come here and

916
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: buy one of ours.

917
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: They do the same with license prices too in some cases.

918
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: Oh do they think?

919
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: I think maybe, like you come to a state and

920
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: pay thousand bucks for an ELK tag. Okay, people from

921
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 2: that state come to your your state to buy a

922
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: deer tag, and they're going to charge you.

923
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: I think they're example, they'll stick it to them. Yeah. Well,

924
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: the other example that was even aware of is is

925
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: South Dakota had a reciprocity? Was it North or South

926
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 1: Dakota had this? South Dakota had no the spearfishing one

927
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: North Dakota, North Dakota. North Dakota had a reciprocity around

928
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: spear and pike through the ice. They're like, you can

929
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: spear pike through the ice if a North the Coton

930
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: can spear pike through the ice on your place. And

931
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: I was musing about this reciprocity issue because I was saying,

932
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: let's say Colorado had passed that failed. But let's say

933
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: Proposition one twenty seven had passed in Colorado and suddenly

934
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: you cannot hunt lines in Colorado. Would a state ever

935
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: exercise reciprocity to a Colorado resident, meaning a Colorado resident

936
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: wants to come to Montana and they're like, hey, I

937
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: want to buy a mountain lion tag Montana would say

938
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: no because our residents can't hunt mountain lions in your state, right.

939
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: I was musing about this, just the issue of reciprocity,

940
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 1: and we got some listener feedback from it. A guy

941
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: writes in I had the opportunity to tune into the

942
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: Popping Corks podcast. That's a name of an episode where

943
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: the topic of reciprocity was discussed from a wildlife management perspective.

944
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: While I can stack hands, I never heard of say

945
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: expression before. While I can stack hands on the idea

946
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: of states and their respective agencies dictating reciprocity rules for

947
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: state managed species, I find it a hard pill to

948
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: swallow when it comes to the topic of federally managed species,

949
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: specifically and selfishly waterfowl. He goes on, why is it

950
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: that a state such as South Dakota can have a

951
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: non resident lottery for a federally managed species. I buy

952
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: a federal duck stamp, which presumably some of this money

953
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: goes to habitat and conservation activities in the state of

954
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: South Dakota, among all others. Why then, would I not

955
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: have the same opportunity as a resident? He goes on,

956
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 1: you know, uh, he's not advocating to pay a resident rate.

957
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. I don't mean a blah blah blah

958
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: of disrespect, but I mean that's the base, this idea,

959
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: what he's saying. But he's overlooking something. Oh, he goes

960
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: there's one in another point he makes. This became more

961
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: top of mind to me when the limitation of non

962
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: resident hunters was brought up with respect to Stuttgart, Arkansas.

963
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: He says, Indeed, reciprocity is a slippery slope. Alec, you're

964
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: overlooking something. Ducks aren't just they're not just federally managed,

965
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: they're state in, federal and international.

966
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 5: And I also think like the reciprocity thing is a

967
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 5: little more complicated than just treating residents and non residence

968
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 5: the same. The reciprocity is about one state treating non

969
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 5: residents in their state and another state treating non residents

970
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 5: to that state in the same way, right, Like, yeah,

971
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:47,959
Speaker 5: it's the state.

972
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: It's a state having varied attitudes toward non residents depending

973
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: on what state they come from and what the rulers

974
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: of that state are.

975
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, so here, I'm not clear how the reciprocity. He

976
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 5: seems to have more of a complaint with the difference

977
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 5: between residents and non residents.

978
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: They got him thinking, yeah, the reciprocity thing got them

979
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: thinking yeah about this. Yeah, they're okay, just a couple

980
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,959
Speaker 1: things here before it really taking on the question. You're right,

981
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: there's federal oversight of waterfowl regulations. Waterfowl regulations are jointly

982
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: managed by the Feds in the state. You might say, well,

983
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: why the hell is that, Well, think about it. They're migratory. Okay,

984
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: So let's say you had one state that totally shit

985
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: the bed on waterfowl management and they kill every dock

986
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: that comes through their state. Well, that state is then

987
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: screwing over other states along the flyway. So there's like

988
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,479
Speaker 1: some federal oversight. Meaning these birds aren't stationary. They move

989
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: internationally in some cases. I mean there's many birds that

990
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: are they're nesting in northern Alaska, they fly all across Canada,

991
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: they fly over six or seven states, maybe more on

992
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: the way down, and they ultimately you know, some of

993
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: our teal will winter in the Bahamas, will have ducks

994
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: at winter in Mexico. Right, So there's an international bird.

995
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: So there's international and federal oversight on waterfowl management, but

996
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: the state still plays a very important role in rule

997
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: setting and enforcement, and when they look at things like

998
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: bag limits on ducks, the FEDS factor in the importance

999
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: of the state to waterfoul preservation in general, meaning if

1000
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: you're a state that has that hosts a lot of

1001
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: breeding pairs of birds for a long period of time,

1002
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: you're going to be treated differently than a state that

1003
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: maybe they only pass through for a month out of

1004
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: the earth. All fair. So it's like, it's not just federal,

1005
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: it's federal and eight that's a thing. That's why you

1006
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: gotta have a state waterfall stamp and a federal waterfall stamp.

1007
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: So I don't think the Feds are saying. The Feds

1008
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: aren't saying. And I got an idea they're not going.

1009
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: They're not going, like the Feds aren't going. And let's

1010
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: have it be that in South Dakota, non residents can't hunt.

1011
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: That's not coming from the Feds. That's coming from the

1012
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: state who has management authority.

1013
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, what exactly, Like what kind of lot are we

1014
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: talking about? Lottery for drawing?

1015
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: They capped South Dakota's capped. You got to draw to

1016
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: hunt ducks in South Dakota. I drew it a couple

1017
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: of years ago. We went, we went hunted ducks in

1018
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: South Dakota.

1019
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,919
Speaker 2: We like drew the Is it a state wide deal

1020
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 2: or specific areas or.

1021
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it's state wide. I could be wrong.

1022
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: I can't remember. And then they have different dates too,

1023
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: and it's just have a resident opener a non resident opener.

1024
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: His whole gripe, I think his whole gripe is he's saying,

1025
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: how could you have a thing where there's federal oversight

1026
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: but you have states making up their own rules, And

1027
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: it's like, I guess the simplest answer is, it's not

1028
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: just federal oversight.

1029
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the state South Dakota's Fish and Game Agency is

1030
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: also managing those ducks and geese.

1031
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: Simple as that. In addition to here's another guy on reciprocity,

1032
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: he says. He points out what he's eating as he

1033
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: writes this. He's eating eggs, chicken, and pomegranate seeds.

1034
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 3: That is an interesting combination.

1035
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: He says. Let's say you invite me to your home. Okay,

1036
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: he says, Let's say you invite me to your home

1037
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: and you let me know there's no shoes in the

1038
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: house policy for the purpose of keeping your carpet clean,

1039
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: like every Asian household. I obviously it's like, man, my

1040
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: wife's trying to pull that on me right now. Oh

1041
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: she's trying to after all these years. She claims that

1042
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: it's always been that way. I just haven't listened.

1043
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 3: No, it's just so much better.

1044
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 9: You just leave your shoes, You just leave your outside shoes.

1045
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 3: But you're yeah, yeah, yes, it's.

1046
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: Like no ship. It's obvious to you.

1047
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 2: Especially when you're like going in and out of the

1048
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: house doing ship.

1049
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: You gotta take them off. That's my whole thing. My

1050
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: hands all dirt untied.

1051
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 3: You are exiting. See there you go.

1052
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: I have a thing. I have these wool over shoes

1053
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: that you put you slip your feet into to then run.

1054
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 4: Through the house or you can do that.

1055
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 3: But no, just it's like.

1056
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: A giant flip flop. No, it's like a giant slide in.

1057
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 2: You got to get your kids to buy into it too,

1058
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: if you got kids.

1059
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: And that's difficult. Man, that's your thing. It's like the dog.

1060
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: Don't take it well.

1061
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 3: Some people white wash their dogs his feet before they.

1062
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 7: That.

1063
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: We just mop will I might switch. I might switch

1064
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: because my wife. It drives my wife bananas.

1065
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 6: Do you think he's eating a Frida egg or scrambled

1066
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 6: eggs with his chicken and pomegranate?

1067
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 9: You think the pomegranates rot, you know, like Frida egg

1068
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 9: and chicken.

1069
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: That's a little bit like that steak and chicken Friday

1070
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: and chicken. It's like that Old Testament prohibition against eating

1071
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: meat and milk together, like like you can't, like you

1072
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't boil a calf in its mother's milk, like separating. Yeah,

1073
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: it's like a chicken in the egg. It's like sheese,

1074
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: what came first? Give him a break?

1075
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 6: And when I was in Hawaii eating scrambled eggs and

1076
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 6: there was a chicken pecking at my feet, it's kind

1077
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Speaker 6: of weird.

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01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like my baby circle of life. Let's get

1079
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: back to the show. Okay. So I tell him, hey man,

1080
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: this guy here, he writes in. I tell him, I said,

1081
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: hey man, don't wear your shoes at my house. I

1082
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: want to keep my carpet clean. He says, I obviously

1083
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: respect that rule and leave my stinkers. It's a euphemism

1084
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: for shoes I gather. Leave my stinkers at the door outside.

1085
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 2: Unless he's got really smelly feet, then you'd want him

1086
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 2: to keep his shoes on.

1087
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets written. Here's where it gets ridded.

1088
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: He goes on to say, one week later, I invite

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01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: you to my home. I do not have such a

1090
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: shoe rule. In fact, I have no carpet in the house.

1091
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: But since I had to take my shoes off at

1092
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: your house, I then tell you to leave your shoes

1093
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: at the door as I walk around in my own shoes.

1094
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 4: Sounds deranged.

1095
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: He's equating all of this to reciprocity. But then I got.

1096
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 5: Lost, But he says, that's petty international. I think the

1097
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 5: or metaphor is you come into my house and I

1098
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 5: crack open a beer and I tell you I don't

1099
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 5: let people who don't live in this house eat or

1100
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 5: drink in my house. And then I go over to

1101
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 5: your house and I want to eat your food right like,

1102
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 5: like there's not a This is silly because it doesn't

1103
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 5: affect anybody. But the reality is like if you if

1104
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 5: you told somebody that they can't have any of like

1105
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 5: a beer in the fridge, and then you went over

1106
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 5: to their house and grabbed a beer out of their fridge.

1107
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: That would be weird. Yeah. Yeah, I just want to

1108
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: open a business where I would help people rationalize irrational decisions.

1109
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 2: You got to come up with a good name for that.

1110
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 3: We've got a podcast to do that on that can

1111
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 3: be a new segment well.

1112
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: Because it'd be like, let's say a guy wants to

1113
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: buy a new truck but just makes zero sense, right,

1114
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: he called, and I'd be like, hey, man, you work hard,

1115
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I mean, do you feel like your

1116
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: full self and that old truck, Like, don't you feel

1117
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: that you're gonna show up better at work and show

1118
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: you better for your family? When you feel more confident

1119
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: that he'll hang up, be like, God, buy that truck.

1120
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Speaker 6: Putting American families in debt, and then you get you

1121
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 6: commission from four.

1122
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 3: You should bring Susie Ormond back on the show.

1123
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Listeners decide if they want to. Yeah.

1124
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: So it's like you help and this is his thing.

1125
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: This guy could start a little project where he takes

1126
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: complex law issues and brings them home, you know, complex

1127
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: law issues and he brings them into like household analogies.

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01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, but if you like Steve's idea and then ride

1129
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 9: into the Mediater podcast at the meadeater dot com with

1130
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 9: your dilemmas.

1131
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, something you need to justify but you just can't,

1132
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: or I'll help you. If you're trying to to like

1133
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: get something out of your wife or get a concession

1134
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: out of your wife, but you can't think of how

1135
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: to approach it, I'll walk you through it.

1136
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 3: What are they put in the subject line?

1137
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: I need help?

1138
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:13,439
Speaker 3: That's perfect, I need help.

1139
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1140
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 5: We occasionally get emails every now and then from people

1141
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 5: who really do need help, so we might just Yeah,

1142
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 5: there might be a boy cried wolf situation.

1143
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: There on the same subject, sort of the same subject.

1144
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: It really like the reciprocity thing really got folks.

1145
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people wrote it.

1146
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: In Okay, so here here's this one. Uh, not the

1147
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: same thing as reciprocity, but a something that seems unfair. Okay,

1148
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: dear me Eater crew. I know the subject of paying

1149
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: higher prices if you are a non resident has been

1150
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: covered on the podcast, but I'm in a situation that

1151
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't think has been covered and would like to

1152
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: get everyone's thoughts. I'll try to make a long story short.

1153
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: I grew up in the northern Lower Peninsula of Michigan,

1154
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: where my family owns hunting land with a camp. After

1155
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: I graduated high school, I joined the military, did twenty years.

1156
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: Here he's stacking the deck.

1157
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 2: He is, he's setting himself up as he's stack in

1158
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 2: the deck. He's trying to like gain points in his favor.

1159
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: But has nothing with all due respect, respect it, thank

1160
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: you for your thank you for he's stacking the deck.

1161
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 9: He may have taken the class that your kids, right,

1162
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 9: but nothing.

1163
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. This is the kind of thing I

1164
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: would help someone with.

1165
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 2: It would be like if Steve murdered someone and they

1166
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 2: were like, Bud, he was a really good guy.

1167
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: What about what about a favor written?

1168
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 5: And if I graduated high school and I never quite

1169
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 5: really figured out what I wanted to do, kind of

1170
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 5: bounced around for a while, got.

1171
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: In trouble with the law, and now I'd like to

1172
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: buy a resident hunting license. So you're sta. You know,

1173
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: he's stacking the deck. I'll let him do it. I'll

1174
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: give I'll let him do it. After I graduated high school,

1175
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: I joined the military to twenty years. Thank you for

1176
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: your service. I'm he's stacking the deck.

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01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 5: Well, I think it and it can now.

1178
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so put that out of your head and weighing

1179
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: the fairness of this. He's here. He the jury, they

1180
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: call it. He tainted the jury.

1181
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 2: He would start here.

1182
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And now so now we're back to the fact

1183
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: of the matter, with all due respect. And now I

1184
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: am a permanent resident of Wisconsin, which is where my

1185
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: wife is from. That's a good detail. That's not stacking

1186
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: the deck. He goes on. I do bow hunt in Wisconsin.

1187
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: He doesn't mention this as a resident under resident pricing.

1188
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: He doesn't mention that I do bow hunt Wisconsin. But

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01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: I still go to Michigan every year for the firearm

1190
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: deer season to hunt at our camp. And of course

1191
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: now I have to pay for a non resident license.

1192
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: Last year, my dad took his name off the deed

1193
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: and added mine to it. I am now part owner

1194
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:14,479
Speaker 1: along with a couple other family members, which means I'm

1195
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: paying my part of the property, taxes, utilities, and everything

1196
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: else that goes along with owning a hunting camp. It

1197
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: seems to me that this is a little on the

1198
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: unfair side because of all the other monies I am

1199
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: paying to the state of Michigan by owning land that

1200
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 1: I still have to pay full price for a non

1201
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: resident hunting license. He proposes a third category. He feels

1202
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: that there should be a third category called the non

1203
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: resident landowner to be fair. No, no, just waiting.

1204
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 2: Montana has that coming home to hunt thing, which is yep, yeah,

1205
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 2: really love that. But anyway, he's what he's saying is

1206
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 2: he's deserves a discount, right, he.

1207
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: Says, Hey, I'm paying property tax is a mission. I

1208
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: deserve a discount. But here's the thing from state fishing

1209
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: game agencies perspective, you can only be a resident of

1210
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: one state. Yes, right, do you vote twice?

1211
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 5: I don't understand why why this is so like fuzzy,

1212
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 5: you know, like if you get busted for poaching, your

1213
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 5: name goes into a database and then you're you lose

1214
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 5: hunting and fishing privileges.

1215
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: Right in all these.

1216
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 5: Other compact stations in four states, Why don't we just

1217
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 5: have a database where you you are a resident of

1218
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 5: this state and it just cross references it. Because you

1219
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,959
Speaker 5: hear all the time about people buying three or four.

1220
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 2: Oh sure, right, when when I was running the fly shop,

1221
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 2: like we're a license vender back in Colorado and there's

1222
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 2: a lot of second homeowners in the valley we lived in,

1223
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 2: and this ship came up all the time for fishing licenses,

1224
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 2: elk tags. They'd bring in bills, they'd show you, they're like,

1225
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 2: they show you all sorts of shiit to like be

1226
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 2: like look, and I'm like, dude, you're not a resident.

1227
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 2: Like there's nothing I can do about it.

1228
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: He goes on to bring up another gripe. I'm not

1229
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: hacking on the guy. He's great questions. He brings up

1230
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: another gripe. There's a lot of elk in that area,

1231
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: but it's a draw, but the elk draw isn't And

1232
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: he's got elk to come on to his family's property,

1233
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: but he's not eligible for the elk draws. He's not

1234
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: a resident. I would look at it like this, his

1235
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 1: name Scott, Scott. I would think about it a little

1236
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: bit like this. Would you write us saying, hey, man,

1237
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: I vote in Wisconsin, but I own a place in Michigan,

1238
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: so I'd like to vote there too, Or would you

1239
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: write into us and say, hey, I'm applying for unemployment

1240
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:47,719
Speaker 1: privileges in Wisconsin, but I have a place in Michigan.

1241
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: I want to apply for unemployment benefits in Michigan too.

1242
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: I mean, of course not, it wouldn't.

1243
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 5: It wouldn't surprise me if there were a state out

1244
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 5: there that had an on resident landowner category pricing difference.

1245
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: No, because you know there's gonna be a lot of

1246
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: money that's put into lobbying for that rule. Yep.

1247
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 5: And you could picture how that rules would non resident

1248
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 5: landowner of preferences in the draw, which has been a

1249
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 5: you know a thing.

1250
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 1: Oh, this guy should know about this, Scott, you're gonna

1251
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 1: dig You're gonna dig this one. If the if your

1252
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: situation was going on in other states, there'd probably be

1253
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: a thing where you were eligible. There might be a

1254
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 1: thing where you guys were eligible for landowner tags. That

1255
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't matter where you were a resident. Just this is

1256
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: all happening to you in the wrong state. Yep.

1257
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 5: But I'd look at it this way. You got a

1258
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 5: great hunting camp in Michigan. You're resident of Wisconsin, so

1259
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 5: you can hunt there. Tags are a little more expensive.

1260
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 5: It sounds pretty good.

1261
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 3: Ye how much are tags there?

1262
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 7: Like?

1263
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 3: How much are we talking about.

1264
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 2: Not Western price non resident prices.

1265
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 3: So it's not like if he that he'd be like

1266
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 3: thousands of dollars.

1267
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: And I'll bet you can shoot a whole pile of

1268
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 2: deer on that Michigan license if you wanted to.

1269
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 9: Sorry, Scott transfers his residence to Michigan and becomes an

1270
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 9: out of stat or in Wisconsin.

1271
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 5: Non resident looks like one hundred and ninety bucks versus.

1272
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 2: That's a smoking deal forty bucks.

1273
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: What I feel Scott should if he was gonna, if

1274
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 1: he was going to rate out what chaps is ass more.

1275
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: I feel like he should have greater ass chap over

1276
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: the elk thing. Yeah. Yeah, that would chap my ass

1277
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 1: more than the one ninety because he's hunting at home

1278
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:42,759
Speaker 1: for twenty bucks. Yeah in Wisconsin. Yeah, the elk thing's tough.

1279
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, here's the deal too. I could Okay,

1280
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: my mom still lives in the house I was brought

1281
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: up in. I could say to my mom. I could

1282
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: be like, hey, mom, we need to get my name.

1283
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: I want to get my name on the deed to

1284
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, so that I can start hunting there

1285
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: as a resident. Yep.

1286
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 5: I mean that's the that's a low. I feel like

1287
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 5: that's why residency has to be very particular, you know,

1288
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 5: like because because there's all kinds of ways guys could

1289
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Speaker 5: fuzz it up.

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01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what I would do. I would go

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01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: round to every state and I'd be like, I call realtor.

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01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I want to buy the dumbest, shittiest

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01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: little lot you can find, Like it doesn't even need

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01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: to be big enough for me to stand on. Yeah, Like,

1295
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: if you can find any weird little thing I can buy.

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01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 1: That way, I could be a resident.

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01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 5: Of county with the lowest taxes.

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01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: That way, I cant as a resident there, Scott, be

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01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: shamed yourself, Scott, I don't know.

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01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 3: Thanks for being a listener of Scott.

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01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,879
Speaker 2: Sorry, buddy, I love you to death, Scott.

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01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 1: But I just, oh, you know what I failed to say?

1303
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 1: He says, am I just whinding over nothing. He's not

1304
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 1: winding over Canna shorten that whole thing up and said,

1305
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: uh huh, Yeah.

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01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 5: I mean he's not saying he's not saying I want

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01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 5: to get a resident tag. To be fair, he's not

1308
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,560
Speaker 5: saying I should be able to get a resident.

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01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 2: He's just saying somewhere in the middle, like, cut him

1310
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 2: a break.

1311
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, somewhere the break. Yeah, twenty years of the military.

1312
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: Cut me a break.

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01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, let him apply for an elk tag.

1314
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 1: So he ends his thing. In all fairness to Scott,

1315
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: he ends this thing. So do I have a legitimate

1316
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: complaint about paying non resident fees? Nor am I just

1317
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: whining over nothing? Thanks for your thoughts on this. I

1318
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 1: you know he should do. He should go hunt dogs place.

1319
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 2: With dom.

1320
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, with dogs. He should get a big pag of

1321
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: dogs and go down and run him through Doug's property.

1322
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: And where is she wear shoes in Dug's house? Don't

1323
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: care Doug's house. You gotta put your shoes on to

1324
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: go inside. You're looking at you like, yeah, I put

1325
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: my shoes off, my rubber boots. I don't mean Doug's house.

1326
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 1: That's mean Dougs the fucking camp. Yeah, their camp. But no, no,

1327
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 1: And he cleans up and he kind of got he

1328
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 1: used to have this thing where you know those uh,

1329
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: those little lady bugs aren't ladybugs.

1330
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 3: It's like white ones.

1331
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: No, it looks just like a lady bug. But it's

1332
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: Asian Japanese.

1333
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 2: You're not talking about Japanese beetles.

1334
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we had a lot of those around. Oh

1335
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: my god. They carpet the place, you know, like you

1336
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 1: know those little pole cords in the upstairs. They got

1337
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: like a four foot ceiling where we sleep up there,

1338
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 1: and he's got pole cords. You you know, turn the

1339
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: light on off, it'll be that, it'll be that they'll

1340
01:15:54,720 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: those little Japanese beetles will be covering the pole beetle.

1341
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1342
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 2: Now they're like a shiny copper color.

1343
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: It looks like a ladybug.

1344
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 2: Then we're not talking about the same thing.

1345
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: I was just trying to wrap the show up on

1346
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: type in like.

1347
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,959
Speaker 4: Six people with with computers. Let's see how long this takes.

1348
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: Looks like a ladybug, but not it is a dude.

1349
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:27,560
Speaker 1: Looks like a lady Barosmith, Asian lady, Asian lady.

1350
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 3: Beatles, Mexican bean beetle. Look at that.

1351
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 1: Asian lady beetles, so Mexicans. So many of those were

1352
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: in his place that you know those pull cords you

1353
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: go c lights on and off, it would be I'm

1354
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: not you think I'm exaggerating, I'm not. So many of

1355
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: them on that string that the ones in the bottom,

1356
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 1: like ah, fall away, and there's more coming across the

1357
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: ceiling and getting on the rope and like the lower

1358
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: guys like I get burn, hang on off I mean

1359
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: you wake up, they're in your hair. So yeah, when

1360
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 1: that was going on, you'd have to put your shoes,

1361
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: you'd want to put shoes on and go in. But

1362
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: he had a he had a infestation exterminator type dude

1363
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: to come out and put some stuff on the walls

1364
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: to try to get a grip on it. It was bad.

1365
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:19,919
Speaker 1: So now not even gonna talk about the flies.

1366
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 3: Oh, this is interesting about the Asian lady me dog.

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01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 1: I love that place, man, It's my favorite place in

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01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 1: the world. All right, thanks for joining everybody. Tune in

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01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 1: next time. Off the dark of a lake.

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01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 8: Enough to suffer.

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01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: The size thick, But I don't ever come and see

1372
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: my ugly stack.

1373
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 7: On the ground door tree, your pupkin, see.

1374
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 8: All lad me an from this world's.

1375
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 7: Band fish and squirrel, but the sun of dogs with

1376
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 7: too much fur, my new best friends.

1377
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 8: A mountain, American maid, box and rays staring.

1378
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: The eye of the black fans.

1379
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 8: On the ground.

1380
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: No tree, but you're called can see.

1381
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 8: Maybe your home mouth leaves and waves of fulfilled disentional

1382
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 8: dem as a dream as a.

1383
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: Dream and fish swep.

1384
01:19:33,600 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 8: And fish and squirrel, fish and squirrel, a finish school,

1385
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 8: finish

1386
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 1: And finishing school,