1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: generation warfare. 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran. 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: This is Human Events with your host Jack Persovic christ 5 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: Is King. 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 3: We have breaking news. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 4: Wrestling legend Hulk Hogan has died. 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen. The one the only hold. 9 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: He looking at the size of your arms. 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: I wish I had anything that big. 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: He just came in and you knew that this guy 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: had a glow about him. 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: He was forced to be wreckting with. 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 1: He was the baby Ruth of wrestling, the household name 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: that became bigger than our sport. 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: Hawk Hogan was a man who brought professional wrestling into 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: the mainstream of the eighties. 18 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: Cogan was the foundation for everything that we have today. 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: When HAWLK Hogan came out, He's in the main event. 20 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: The roofs just flew off the place. And that's when 21 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: I decided, Man, I would really like to be a 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: professonal wrestler. 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 3: Tell Holkster, how good was he? Here? 24 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 4: Where is he? 25 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: Yes? 26 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: He was one of those guys who was larger than life. 27 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: People alwayd wanted to beat us. Is that I means? 28 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: But we were actually very very close prison. He was 29 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: a good man. 30 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: He was he was special. He loved the president, and. 31 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: Obviously he loved America. 32 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 4: I said, maybe entertainment, but he is one strong son 33 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 4: of a gun. 34 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: I will tell you I watched it. At anytime, train, 35 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 2: say your prayers, beat your vitamins, be to yourself, to 36 00:01:46,880 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: your country, be a real American. Really, every man, again. 37 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: Your life. 38 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: Comes down. 39 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, brother, When they took a 40 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 2: shot at my hero and they tried to kill the 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: next president of the United States. 42 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: Enough was enough. Sun look up Amania. Blah blah blah. 43 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: Brother up Omania, good lookin Let top Omania. Nay love 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: no cry me again. 45 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome on board today's special edition of 46 00:02:54,440 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: Human Events Daily here in Washington, d C. And today 47 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: we're doing a special entitled the Death of the Superstar. 48 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: And he just saw those images of hul Cogan, Harry J. Malaya, 49 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: from his entire career, his iconic status as a patriot 50 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: among all things, a patriot who loved God, who loved 51 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: his country, who would wear a cross, who would make 52 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: the sign of the cross before going out on that ring, 53 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: who told Seminal stories and performed incredible feats and stood 54 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: as a symbol for children, young children that America was 55 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: good and that America was strong, and that America was 56 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: worth defending. And now you've seen this reaction, very split 57 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: reaction to the death of hul Cogan. And in fact, 58 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: in Hulk Cogan's very last physical appearance in WWE, in 59 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: a crowd full of Angelino's in Los Angeles on Netflix, 60 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: he was booed. So you quite literally have the icon 61 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: of real America being booed by New America. And this 62 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: is something that's played out in our politics, this is 63 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: something that's played out in our streets, it plays out 64 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: in the media. And that's what I want to talk 65 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: about today, and not just about Hulk, but I want 66 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: to get into this idea of the death of the 67 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: superstar as well. But just zooming out for a second. 68 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: I was there that night at the RNC and have 69 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: my kids there, have my wife, my brother. The minute 70 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: I heard that Hule Cogan was going to be in town, 71 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to lock in my seat. And 72 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: the minute that the performance or you know, the event 73 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: began that evening, we sat down and I said, I'm 74 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: not moving from the seat until hol it comes out. 75 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: And the boys were there, and even though it was 76 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: way past their bedtime, they stayed up and easily one 77 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: of the top ten moments of my entire life. I 78 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: don't just me career, I mean my entire life. Be 79 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:29,119 Speaker 1: there again with my children who at Trump's original orncy 80 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: I didn't even have children yet, and there. 81 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 3: He was. 82 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: Waving the flag, my little boys, my two little boys, 83 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: and man. When he took that jacket off, I froze. 84 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: I said, he's not going to do it. There's no way. 85 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: And then he brought his arms up to the top 86 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: of his shirt and he started pulling, and it was 87 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: like a wave of energy over the entire crowd. My 88 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: knees buckled, not neving gonna lie. My knees buckled, hit 89 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: the wall behind me. I almost dropped my kid. I 90 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. Couldn't believe it. I've never seen any 91 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: depiction of this in any footage or any of the 92 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: streams that that just catch and capture the sheer energy 93 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: and power that was unleashed by Hogan on stage that night. 94 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: That's what was needed to save America. And he came 95 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: back one last time for one last ride to make 96 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: America great again. So today, folks, we're gonna run wild 97 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: and talk all about the importance of whoke Mania, which 98 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: will live forever. Ladies and gentlemen, right back Events Daily, 99 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: rowin her his voice, and. 100 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 4: Our Golden Age has just begun. 101 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: This is Human Events with Jack Psoba. 102 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first 103 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: truly means. Welcome to the Second American Revolution, all right, 104 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: Jack sobecuri, we are back live Human Events Daily. We're 105 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: talking about the death of the Superstar. And in order 106 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: to understand the death of the superstar and the reason 107 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: that our society just doesn't produce these types of figures anymore, 108 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: we really have to understand how they were produced in 109 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: the first place, and how they came about. And you know, 110 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: when you look at the eighties the nineties, there were 111 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: superstars everywhere, and not all of them were truly iconic status, 112 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: but there were so many. Mike Tyson, Michael Jordan, Princess Diana, 113 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne. We're going to talk about him in a 114 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: little bit as well. But Hulk stood head and shoulders 115 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:03,119 Speaker 1: both physically in some of these cases and relatively above 116 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: all of them. By the way, another another icon of 117 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: the eighties. Of course, of course Donald Trump himself and 118 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: we talk about almost every day here. But what I 119 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: mean with Hulk is that he was this larger than 120 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: life figure that you could also reach out in touch, 121 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: because what was he doing with professional wrestling is he 122 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: was going out to all of those little towns and 123 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: crossing the highways and byways of America three hundred and 124 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: sixty five or in his telling, four hundred days a year, 125 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: because he would wrestle in Japan across the date line, 126 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: and he would show up in your town and you 127 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: could go and see him and physically watch him come 128 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: and do battle with these other legendary figures. And so 129 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: to understand sort of this whole millieu and everything that was, 130 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: everything that we've lost, everything that we can have again, 131 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring on. I want to bring on 132 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: my great friend the raw egg nationalist from the UK 133 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: to talk a little about it. What's I meant? 134 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: It's good to see it. Yeah, as always. 135 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: Aka doctor Charles Cornish. He's a PhD from from Oxford. 136 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: Do you believe or not, folks, I'm I'm not sure 137 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: about that one. But somehow he slipped through the cracks. Yeah, 138 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: you's what's funny is And I'll just I'll say this 139 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: public for the first time. The very first conversation that 140 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: you and I ever had in our entire time of 141 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: knowing each other was actually about a whole coke and 142 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: TV show that somehow we both watched in the nineteen 143 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: nineties growing up called Thunder in Paradise. And I went 144 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: back and watched some of that this week with my kids, 145 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: and man, they do not make it like that anymore, 146 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: don't anything like that? 147 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 3: They really don't. Yeah, Thunder in Paradise is this kind 148 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: of lost classic in a way, it's you know, it's 149 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: a subsurd premise. Hulk is this kind of special forces 150 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 3: guy who's living somewhere like Hawaii, and he has a 151 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 3: special a special kind of transforming boat that he that 152 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 3: he kind of rides around it and solves crimes and 153 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: you know, fights the Cuban communists and all sorts of 154 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 3: other absurd stuff and now you know, bikini clad women 155 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: and he's got a sidekick, and it was just totally 156 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: over the top, really really kind of absurd stuff, a 157 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 3: bit kind of like Baywatch, but with guns and explosions 158 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 3: and for some bizarre reason they showed it on British 159 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 3: television on a Saturday on Saturday afternoon, and so I 160 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: watched it when I was sort of six or seven. 161 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I also watched, of course Wrestling WWF as 162 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 3: it was back then. I had a friend whose parents 163 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 3: had satellite and so I could watch WWF and we 164 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: would watch The Undertaker and Brett Brett, you know, Brett 165 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 3: Hart and Shawn Michaels and the British Bulldog and of 166 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: course helped Hogan. So, I mean, Hulk Hogan was a 167 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 3: huge part of my of my childhood and he was 168 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 3: a huge part of yours. And yeah, it was the 169 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 3: it was actually the pretty much the very first thing 170 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 3: we bonded over was this this absurd, silly mid nineties 171 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 3: television show with Hulk Hogan. 172 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 1: But let's so zoom out for a minute. You know, 173 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: what was it about Hulk Hogan as a figure and 174 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: and and what was it about our society at that time? 175 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: So we're you know, it's it's he really is a figure. 176 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: You almost can't separate it from the Cold War and 177 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: then the end of the Cold War and all of 178 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: the pressures that were sort of pushing into that because 179 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: this feeds into Hogan. He doesn't originally have the real 180 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: American soundtrack. He's given that. He's he holds the flag 181 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: and just transforms immediately into this larger than life figure 182 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: because he's not just a wrestler anymore. He's somehow become 183 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: this this living icon of the nation itself. 184 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Hulk Hogan really did. I mean, for me, look 185 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: a little kid growing up in rural England watching wrestling 186 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 3: on satellite, you know, I mean there were there were 187 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 3: loads of big personalities. Of course there were. There was 188 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 3: the Undertaker, there was Sean Michaels, But there was just 189 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: something about Hulk Hogan. He did, like you say, he 190 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: seemed to personify in all of its aspects, the American dream. 191 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: And you know, I mean he literally personified it in 192 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: the sense that he was, you know, six feet eight 193 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: inches tall, three hundred plus pounds. I mean, everything about 194 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 3: him was absurd and overblown and raucous and out of 195 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 3: this world. I mean, you know, for a little boy 196 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: like I was, you know, watching from a rural English village, 197 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: it was actually like having a window not into another country, 198 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: but actually onto another planet. 199 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: You know. 200 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 3: I mean, this guy was like this guy was like 201 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 3: a like an alien or something, you know. I mean 202 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: he's so so different from the from the norm for 203 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: you know, sort of an English boy, and it was 204 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: so glamorous, and it made America seem like this incredible 205 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 3: place of opportunity and you know where literal giants walk 206 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 3: the earth and perform superhuman feats of strength and you know, 207 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: on on a on a nightly basis. I mean, it's 208 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: it was incredibly incredibly alluring, and Hawk Cogran just seemed 209 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 3: to capture, i think, the real kind of absurdity and 210 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: the the overblown nature of the American dream, of the 211 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 3: hopes and aspirations of the American people of and this 212 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 3: kind of vision actually of of you know, like he's 213 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 3: an ordinary guy and then he becomes this incredible superstar. 214 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it is the it is the American dream. 215 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 3: It's the American dream advertised nightly in a squad circle, you. 216 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: Know, and what is you have that? And of course 217 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: Hollywood came calling his first movie Rocky three, tremendous success, 218 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: took over the entire world. And you've got a number 219 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: of figures in there. You've got from Carl Weather's to 220 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: mister t to Sebustio Stallone himself, Ole Cogan, and people 221 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: look at it. Where can I get more of this 222 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: type of thing? And of course they turned to the 223 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: WWF and what is Hogan doing there? And again it's 224 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: not complicated. It's not some large complicated story. It's what 225 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: he does is how do you present someone as a hero. 226 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: You go and have them slay the giant. You have 227 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: them go out and kill the giant that's been terrorizing 228 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: the land. And that's exactly what they did. And what's amazing. 229 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: And I want to tie the back back into this 230 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: as well, because this is another element of it. When 231 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: when Hule Cogan fought Andrea the Giant, people say, oh, 232 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: well it's scripted as scripted. Yeah, well so is Marvel, Okay, 233 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: so so is Star Wars. Right, But what's different here 234 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: is he's actually lifting a five hundred pound man over 235 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: his head and slamming him to the ground. That requires 236 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: actual physical a tore every muscle in his back and 237 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: you know, talked about it for years that that it was. 238 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: It was an injury that stayed with him for the 239 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: rest of his days until his death itself at seventy one. 240 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 4: And. 241 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: That match wasn't held in you know, Madison Square Garden 242 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: or you know Los Angeles or any of these big 243 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: sit It's held in Pontiac, Michigan. Right, So this this 244 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: hard scrabble, rural, industrial, working class, blue collar area. But 245 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: they still get ninety three thousand people into the arena. 246 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: Why because well, you know your area and that was 247 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: what was so great about wrestling. Your area may not 248 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: have a professional sports team or some massive downtown, but 249 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: you know what, Hulk Hogan might be coming and you 250 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: can seek go and see him perform these incredible feats 251 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: without having to go too far or even pay that 252 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: much money. 253 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, look, people, people rag on wrestling 254 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: and always have ragged on wrestling for being fake and 255 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: maybe it's unsophisticated, you know, and the only people who 256 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: like it are rubes, et cetera. But it's it's I mean, 257 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 3: it's not it's not. None of it's true. I mean, 258 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 3: you know what you were saying about slaying the giant. Look, 259 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 3: I mean this isn't We're talking about archetypal stories, and yes, 260 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 3: the hero going out and slaying the giant, slaying the dragon. 261 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 3: This is an archetypal type of story, and it's a 262 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: type of story that everybody, everybody can get behind, everybody 263 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: can understand, and everybody knows who's right and who's wrong, 264 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: and everybody can root for the good guy. And that's 265 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: what they did with Hard Coogan. But it's quite literally, yeah, 266 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: exactly exactly. I mean, yes, it's David ingelife. We're talking 267 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 3: about the oldest kind of stories being played out in 268 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: a totally novel format, you know, with modern glitz and 269 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: glamour and pyrotechnics and you know, beamed around the world 270 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: on satellite and all that kind of stuff. But nevertheless, 271 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 3: this is deep, deep human interest that we are seeing 272 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 3: play out. And but what is interesting as well, like 273 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 3: you say, is look, that didn't take place at Madison 274 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: Square Garden. That took place in Pontiac, Michigan, right, So 275 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: ordinary people could literally watch these giants, these these superheroes, 276 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 3: and they were superheroes. They could watch them, you know, 277 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 3: they could be within feet of them, within ten feet 278 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: or one hundred feet of you know, these these two 279 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: giants going at it in this archetypal you know, biblical 280 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: stories like here's a here's a here's a restaging of 281 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 3: David versus Goliath, but it's also a story about America. 282 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 3: So I mean it was a it was a supremely 283 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 3: effective way, I think actually of making people feel patriotic, 284 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 3: making people feel like they were part of this grand 285 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: kind of tableau, this grand story that not only is 286 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: about America as a nation, but also about sort of 287 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 3: like human achievements, striving good versus And I mean, it's 288 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 3: incredibly powerful. 289 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: And where do we see that play out again? Or 290 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: in terms of a spiritual successor, it's another eighties icon, 291 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump when he would go to places like Battle Creek, Michigan, 292 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: or Moseny, Wisconsin, or even Butler, Pennsylvania, and you can 293 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: come and it doesn't matter where you're from, you can 294 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: go and see Donald Trump. And so in this way, 295 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: trump Amania or the Maga movement becomes the spiritual successor 296 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: of Hulkamania what Hulk Hogan did. It's beyond politics, right back, 297 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: Jack Psobic broad nationalists. 298 00:18:58,760 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 2: There. 299 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 4: You talk about influence. So these are influences and they're 300 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 4: friends of mine. Jack, Jack's great down. 301 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: All right, Jack with topicura back Human events Daily. We're 302 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: talking about the death of the superstar. And what's interesting, though, 303 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: is so many of these superstars. We're talking about the 304 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: raw Egg, nationalist doctor Charles Cornishdale and Egg. One of 305 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: the things I have to say when we're talking about Hogan, 306 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Ozzie in a little bit, is 307 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: there's so much of what we're saying here is is strength, masculinity, testosterone. 308 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 4: Uh. 309 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: And then you look at something obviously you've written about 310 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: so many times is the lack of this in our society, 311 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: And you go all the way down into the weeds 312 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: of it. But you know when when you take a 313 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: step back and you and you really look at the 314 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: big picture, is we aren't a society that produces Paul 315 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: Cogan's any and if they're out there, we're certainly a 316 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: society that suppresses a whole Cogan from rising to such 317 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: heights because we are not a society that places value 318 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: on these things anymore. And you saw the success of 319 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: America in the eighties and nineties, and it really it 320 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: really has to be said, are we a country that's 321 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: been led into ruined because we no longer prioritize these things? 322 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 323 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's I think it's impossible to disagree 324 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 3: with the notion that actually you know, American society has 325 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 3: been newted since the nineteen eighties, since the nineteen nineties, 326 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 3: I mean just with regards to wrestling. 327 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: You know, then the act back when Ulkamania was running wild. 328 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 3: Exactly, I mean, hal Kimania was running wild, and then 329 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 3: you had kind of like a last gasp of that 330 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 3: really kind of testosterone fueled version of wrestling with the 331 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: Attitude era, you know. I mean that was really off 332 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 3: the hook with people like Stone called Steve Austin and 333 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 3: the Rock, etc. And that was kind of like the 334 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 3: last gasp in wrestling. But I mean more broadly as 335 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 3: a as a society, in a culture, then yes, I mean, 336 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 3: you know, America is more than it's ever been hostile to. 337 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 3: I think that kind of overblown, incredibly over the top 338 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 3: sort of masculinity and really, in a sense, I think 339 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 3: that someone like Donald Trump is like the last gasp. 340 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 3: I mean Donald Trump was there in the nineteen eighties, 341 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 3: in the nineteen nineties, he. 342 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: Was in the world. Yeah, he was part of the 343 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: rest and in our current Secretary of Education is Vince 344 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: McMahon's wife. 345 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so he's kind of like he's like the 346 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 3: last custodian of that flame in a way. You know, 347 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: it's like he's in the White House and now it's 348 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 3: like the last chance that maybe America will get actually 349 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 3: to return to that sort of glorious, overblown hope Field 350 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 3: kind of. And Donald Trump has talked of the Golden Age, 351 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 3: you know, he said, the new Golden Age of America 352 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 3: begins again. But of course he looking back to the 353 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: nineteen eighties, to the nineteen nineties, to the to the 354 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: you know, to the to the days when. 355 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: Talk to me a little bit about I mean, this 356 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: is this is sort of that meme, right, that that 357 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: classic meme of weak men create hard times, strong men 358 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: create good times. And you really can't separate this notion 359 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: of strength and masculinity being in the lead and you 360 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: know this is a thought crime, I suppose, and and 361 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: good times. It's something that just it echoes throughout history, 362 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: the pattern that echoes throughout history. 363 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it absolutely does. It absolutely does. And I think 364 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 3: that we're discovering, really or have discovered over the last 365 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 3: say twenty years that actually, you know, if you new 366 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 3: to men, if you tell men that that they're not instincts, 367 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: that they're natural desires, that the hormone testosterone that makes 368 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 3: them men and not women is bad. Then actually you 369 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 3: create a society that doesn't work. It doesn't work, you know, 370 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 3: I mean, America has been sent off down the wrong 371 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 3: track because it's demonized its boys and its men. And 372 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 3: you know, it's a complex phenomenon that has you know, 373 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 3: a wide variety of causes and a wide variety of 374 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 3: sort of symptoms. But fundamentally, I think it is you know, 375 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 3: I mean the decline of superstars, the decline of people 376 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,719 Speaker 3: like Hulk Hogan, the inability of the system to foster 377 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: these people, to give them outlets for their masculine impulses 378 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 3: and tendencies. You know, I mean, that is a that 379 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 3: is a fundamental failing. And the reason why America has 380 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 3: fallen behind, the reason why America is in hard times 381 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 3: is definitely because America hasn't found a way actually to 382 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 3: encourage positive masculinity. And you know, I mean, Hulk Hogan 383 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 3: was a positive role model. Hulk Hogan was somebody who, 384 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: however overblown his you know, WWF routine and was, and 385 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 3: how overblown he was on the on the silver screen, 386 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, he was still someone people could 387 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 3: relate to and people could still see in his actions 388 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 3: and the you know, the situations he got himself into 389 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 3: and the stories he was involved in that actually, you know, 390 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 3: he was playing out a positive story about the need 391 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 3: for strong men, even if he was absurdly strong and 392 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 3: absurdly huge and far bigger than, you know, than the 393 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: vast majority of people could ever be. Nevertheless, he embodied 394 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 3: a kind of vision of positive masculinity in service of 395 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 3: the nation. 396 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: And that's well, actually, you know, it's it's funny you 397 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: mention this because just before Hulk Hogan really burst onto 398 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: the scene, there was or as I should say, as 399 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: he was coming out, he was sort of at the 400 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: concurrent with this, there was another wrestler, Dusty Rhodes, who 401 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: had a famous promo you just mentioned it, hard Times, 402 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: where he says this on air and he says, he says, 403 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: you put hard and he's talking to to Rick Flair. 404 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: He says, you put hard times on Dusty Roads in 405 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: his family. But you don't know what hard times are, daddy. 406 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: Hard times are when the textile workers around this country 407 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: are out of work. They got four or five kids, 408 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: they can't pay their wages, can't buy their food. Hard 409 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: times are when the auto workers are out of work 410 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: and they tell them go go home. And when a 411 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: man has worked for thirty years at a job thirty 412 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: years and they give him a watch, kick him in 413 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: the button, say hey, a computer took your. 414 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: Place, daddy. 415 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: That's hard times. 416 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: And it's and you hear that, and it resonates because 417 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: here we are, I think, forty years later, and it's 418 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: the same situation. 419 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the same story, except it's not a computer 420 00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 3: taking your job. It's you know, it's it's uncontrolled mass immigration. 421 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 3: It's millions of people flowing across the southern border. But yes, 422 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: it's it's totally the same situation. And this is this, 423 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 3: I think, is why you have to understand the kind 424 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 3: of intimate links between the wrestling world, between a phenomenon 425 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 3: like Hulcomania and also the kind of rhetoric that someone 426 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 3: like Dusty Rhodes was using in the early eighties and 427 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 3: the Trump phenomenon. I mean, it's this is this is 428 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 3: all popularism, this is this is. 429 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: All it's a massive well national I would even say, 430 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: I would even go so far as say nationalist populism. 431 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: So it's it's nationalist populism because it's it's a rally 432 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: around the flag moment, But at the same time it's 433 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: wedded to these populist ideas that hey, the economics have 434 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 1: gotten so screwy. We love our country, but we need someone, 435 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: we need a hero, we need a champion. Jack Procivic 436 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: right back, Real America's Voice, Human Events Daily. 437 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: Jack. Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? 438 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 3: Jack? I want to see you. 439 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 2: Great job, Jack, Thank you, What a job you do. 440 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 3: You know, we have an incredible think. 441 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: We're always talking about the fake news. 442 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 3: And the bad, but we have guys, and these are 443 00:27:17,920 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 3: the guys should be getting bulls. Oh god, Oh. 444 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: Jack Pasovic here, we're back Human Events Daily. We've been 445 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: talking about the death of the superstar and we're getting 446 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: into Hulk Hogan. We talked about how the Maga movement 447 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: really is the spiritual successor to Polkamania, this idea of 448 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: Real America versus New America. So the icon of Real America, 449 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: that being Hulk Hogan gets booed by New America the 450 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: Angelinos at that Netflix event where he held his last 451 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: appearance in pro wrestling. But there was another working class 452 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: icon who died recently and went out with tremendous fanfare 453 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: as well, and that was Ozzy Osbourne, and you just 454 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: saw those videos of the city where he and all 455 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: of his bandmates were from Birmingham, England, as well as 456 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: the site of their final concert just a few weeks ago. 457 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: Rog Nationalist is our guest. He's British, although he wasn't 458 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: there because I guess he was washing his hair that day. 459 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: And I wanted to get into this idea because you know, 460 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: we've been talking about how there is very much so 461 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: when it comes to these these superstars, these absolute iconic figures, 462 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: there's a connection they have with the average person that 463 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: only really comes from having been working class and giving 464 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: respect to the average person, the common man. The way 465 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: that Ozzie pull Trump that all of these peat Princess Diana, 466 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: that they always did. 467 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 468 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 3: So look, I mean we're on the subject of heavy 469 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 3: metal now Black Sabbath, Ozzie Osbourne. It's a remarkable thing. 470 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 3: But so many amazing bands in the seventies and indeed 471 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 3: in the eighties came from a very small region of England, 472 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 3: the Midlands, the Black Country, Birmingham and towns and cities 473 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: around Birmingham. You know, these solidly working class, former industrial 474 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: manufacturing towns and cities that have fallen on hard times 475 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 3: and what happens there's a kind of there's a cultural 476 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 3: movement there. You have these bands, Black Sabbath, led Zeppelin, 477 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 3: Judas Priest, Saxon, you know, all of these, all of 478 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 3: these rock bands that would go on to conquer the world, 479 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 3: not just the UK, but America, the Far East, everywhere, 480 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 3: you know, and they all came out of this, out 481 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 3: of this small region of the UK. It's all tied 482 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 3: to place, it's all tied to authentic existence. You know, 483 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 3: these were working class people. You know, Ozzy Osbourne was 484 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 3: a working class man. He went to prison, he was 485 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 3: he was a burglar. You know, he worked in a slaughterhouse, 486 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 3: he worked in an abatoir. I mean he he was. 487 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 3: He was at the very very sharp edge of real life. 488 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 3: And you know, his his experience. 489 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: And Tony Iomi I mentioned this before on air, but 490 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: Tony Iomi is has his hand disfigured in a in 491 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: a sheet metal factory that he's working at at seventeen. 492 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: He has his fingers chopped off, and rather than give 493 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: up playing guitar, he fashions leather thimbles and then places 494 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: them in replace and replaces his fingertips and he's gone 495 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: on to invent rock and roll or excuse me, event 496 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: heavy metal because of this accident. I mean, you're talking 497 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: about real life. This is the genesis of hard rock. 498 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: Heavy metal is through this, this working class, very real 499 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: experience and a deep connection to the actual roots of 500 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: life and reality. 501 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 3: And what's what's important as well to note, of course, 502 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 3: is that actually none of these people lose touch with 503 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 3: where they came from. So Ozzy Osborne, despite being a 504 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 3: huge superstar, you know, one of the one of the 505 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 3: icons of heavy metal, and living in Los Angeles and 506 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 3: selling you know, tens of millions of records and being 507 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 3: an international superstar, where does he go for his final concert? 508 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 3: And he knew, this is what's so poignant. He knew, 509 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 3: he said in an interview, this is going to be 510 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 3: the last thing I ever do. He knew that he 511 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 3: was going to die. So where does he go. He 512 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 3: goes home to Birmingham to see his people and to 513 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 3: give them one final swan song. And you know, you 514 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 3: look at the look at the people lining the streets 515 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 3: of Birmingham as his as the as the hearst passes. 516 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 3: You know, they're all white, working class people. And this 517 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 3: is in a city Birmingham. You have to remember England's 518 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 3: second city that is now minority white. You know, Birmingham 519 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 3: has seen extraordinary demographic change in recent decades, and yet 520 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 3: it's still the white working class people. They're coming out 521 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 3: paying their respects to to a hero from their community, 522 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 3: to a man who, despite having ascended to the to 523 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 3: the greatness of a of a rock god of a 524 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 3: rock icon, nevertheless still loved his simple people, the simple 525 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 3: people who actually you know, propelled him to stardom, who 526 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 3: bought his records, who were with him over four or 527 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 3: five decades of the of the most amazing career in music. 528 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 3: I mean, it's very, very touching, but it points at 529 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 3: exactly what we were talking about with Hulkamania and now 530 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 3: with Trumper Maania and Maga. You know, it's this connection. 531 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: I can. 532 00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: I just hit on something. I pulled this up as 533 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: so Birmingham that's also the place now where you've seen 534 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: these massive Islamic prayer groups out in the public square. 535 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: Tommy Robinson's talked about this a number of times, you 536 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: and I think I think it's the city that has 537 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: the largest per capita Muslim population in a third of 538 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: the city a full third of the city, so hundreds 539 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: of thousands in Birmingham, England. And yet you look at 540 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: the crowd that's there for Black Sabbath and I look 541 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: at them, I say, well, that's that's that's in the 542 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: same way we talk about Hull Coogan, there's real Americans. 543 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: Those are the real British. 544 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean, it's it's very very striking. It's 545 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 3: a it's a kind of it's a vision of of 546 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 3: what England was, of what Britain was as a nation 547 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 3: for a moment. You know, you were saying about when 548 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 3: we were talking before the show, you were saying about 549 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 3: the Queen about you know how similar this was the 550 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 3: Osborne It was the same thing the Queen's funeral. Yeah, yeah, 551 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 3: it's exactly the same thing. It's the same people. It's 552 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 3: the people who actually have a connection to Britain, who 553 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 3: actually have a connection to England, who actually love the country, 554 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 3: who want to preserve it, who respect and love and 555 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 3: uphold its traditions and history. And that's a different thing. 556 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 3: You can live in a place and actually you'll you're 557 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 3: never really part of it. And that's the difference. These 558 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 3: people are part of, are part of Birmingham. They are 559 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,439 Speaker 3: part of England, you know, and they're part of They're 560 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 3: part of England in the same way that Ozzy Osbourne 561 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 3: was part of England. And you know, it's it's very 562 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 3: very striking, very striking, very noticeable. 563 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,919 Speaker 1: And I look at this and I think that there's 564 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: no way to talk. So we talked about the loss 565 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: of masculinity. We talked obviously the industrialization has played a 566 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: huge role in this, and we keep talking around it. 567 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: But we've got a minute before the break here. But 568 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: these massive demographic pressures in the United States, you mentioned 569 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: Los Angeles and now here Birmingham, where it clearly shows 570 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: that the original population, the the you know, primary stock, 571 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: whatever phrase you want to use for it, of the population, 572 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: when they have a connection, a direct line connection to 573 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,439 Speaker 1: one of these figures, that's what propels them to these 574 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: massive heights. That's what gives them this massive backing to 575 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: where Ozzy Osbourne can, for something like forty or fifty years, 576 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: can still be selling out. You know, these stadiums in 577 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: the very same town Hulkogan by the same token can 578 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: do this. Why because they are from the fabric, They 579 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: are the fabric of the nation. They're not stitched in, 580 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: they're not swapped in, they're not transplants. They live and 581 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: breathe it right back, Jack, the Ssoba grog Nationalists, the 582 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: death of the superstart, that fantastic mook. 583 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 3: Everybody's talking about it. 584 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 4: Go get it that. 585 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 3: He's been my friend right from the beginning of this 586 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 3: whole beautiful event, and we're going to turn them around 587 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 3: and make our afecting way to get new payment. 588 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: All right, Jack Pacobic back here, Human Events Daily. We're 589 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: talking about the death of the superstar. The connection between 590 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,800 Speaker 1: so many of these superstars of the eighties nineties, Hulk Hogan, 591 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne, the direct connection with the working class, the 592 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: areas that they came from. But it also has to 593 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: do with the way they came up. Hulk Hogan having 594 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: to go through independent wrestling circuits and house shows and 595 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: a variety of different personality types and characters before settling 596 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: upon the one that propelled him to superstardom. Ozzy Osbourne again, 597 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: Black Sabbath, having to come up the way that old 598 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: rock bands used to come up through through bars and 599 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: working these odd jobs and working in a slaughterhouse, and 600 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: Tony Iomi getting fingers cut off in a sheet metal 601 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,959 Speaker 1: factory and you know, Dusty Rhodes talking about the hard times. 602 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: We're all with rog nationalist doctor Charles Cornishdale, and you know, eg, 603 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: I think about what makes us a quote unquote superstar 604 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: today and I don't want to rag on Logan Paul, 605 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: but you know, with with Logan Paul, Jake Paul, it's there, 606 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: there's something a bit different there, or a justin Bieber 607 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: because you know, and you know, I'll take my lumps too. 608 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: I used social media as well, but it's like they 609 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: came up as as YouTubers. 610 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 3: Right. 611 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: You went on and made some funny you know, backyard videos, 612 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: and YouTube liked your you know, the algorithm liked you, 613 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: and off you went. That's that's you know, the hardest 614 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: thing you had to deal with. And all of that 615 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: was negative comments. That's something a little bit different. And 616 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: when you aren't forged by those same pressures, then I 617 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: think it just creates a different type of figure than 618 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,320 Speaker 1: the one that we saw in the past. And I 619 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: feel that intrinsically there's a way that subconsciously everyone can 620 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: sort of connect with that. This is also by the way, 621 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,720 Speaker 1: which to and to his credit, by the way, when logan. 622 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,320 Speaker 1: Paul goes into wrestling, he usually plays a heel or 623 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: a villain type character, and so the audience loves to 624 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: hate on him, and and fair play for that for sure. 625 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: But but this is why everyone realizes that he came 626 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: up in a very produced, mannaged sort of way. 627 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think you know, there's a saying, isn't 628 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 3: it iron sharpens iron? And I think, yes, you know, 629 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 3: I mean, can can you imagine what it must have 630 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 3: been like in the good old, bad old days of 631 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 3: the nineteen seventies. You know, you're your Terry, you know, 632 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 3: you're Terry Bollier, and you're just starting out in wrestling. 633 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 3: You've decided to give up a potential career in music 634 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 3: because you want to be a wrestler, because you're six 635 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 3: foot eight, three hundred pounds and you've got the you've 636 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 3: got the size and the strength for it. But you 637 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 3: have to start from nowhere. All you've all you've got 638 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 3: is your size and strength, and it isn't that impressive 639 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 3: because there are a lot of big guys and there 640 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 3: are a lot of muscular guys, and so what do 641 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 3: you do. You've got to do all of these regional shows, 642 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 3: hostile crowds, people who don't like you, who don't know 643 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 3: who you are. You have to tell them who you are. 644 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 3: You have to tell them why they should take you seriously, 645 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 3: why they should notice you, why they should like you, 646 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 3: why they should want to see you again. And that's 647 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, that's tough. That requires grit, that 648 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 3: requires determination, that requires sacrifice, you know. I mean these 649 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 3: are we were talking about archetypes. You know, these are 650 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 3: archetypal virtues. These are the archetypal elements of success. And yeah, 651 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 3: not to rag on them. 652 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,479 Speaker 1: And by the way, in extreme willingness to take risk, 653 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: extreme willingness to take risk. Yeah, I mean this decision, 654 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 1: by the way, destroyed himself physically, absolutely destroyed himself, and 655 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: he was more than willing to do it every night. 656 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:54,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. 657 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean it's easy to forget as well. 658 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 3: Wrestlers have died in the ring. It wasn't that long. 659 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 3: It was what nineteen ninety nine when Owen Hart died. 660 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 3: You know, that was on live television, that was in 661 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,280 Speaker 3: front of a massive audience, you know. I mean, these 662 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 3: people have taken huge risks, people like Carl Koga taking 663 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 3: huge risks with their bodies, doing these, you know, I mean, 664 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 3: the leg drop has basically destroyed his spine, but he 665 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 3: did it. He chose to do it. It became his 666 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 3: signature move. He had to keep doing it, and he 667 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 3: did keep doing it, and he didn't rumble, So there's yeah. 668 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that the kind of selection methods 669 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 3: that produced these superstars, whether we're talking about Ozzy Osbourne, 670 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 3: Tony Iomi, or Halt Cogan, they were very very different. 671 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 3: They were much closer to the earth, They were much 672 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 3: closer to the people. It involved going out among the people, 673 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,280 Speaker 3: whether you're wrestling or whether you're playing gigs, and actually, 674 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 3: you know, you have to connect with the people. You 675 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 3: have to build a following organically, painstaking over time, by 676 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 3: going to different places and showing yourself and showing what 677 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,839 Speaker 3: you can do. Whereas you know, you get caught by 678 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 3: the algorithm today on YouTube or TikTok, and you can 679 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 3: be a massive star in no time, and it doesn't 680 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 3: actually require the dedication or the sacrifice or any of 681 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 3: the kind of virtues that it would require to succeed otherwise, 682 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 3: Which isn't to take away from the success of someone 683 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,919 Speaker 3: like Logan Paul. He has been very canny He's monetized 684 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 3: his fame very well. You know, he knows his audience, 685 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 3: he knows how to appeal to them. But it is 686 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 3: just a very different thing. And I think it is 687 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 3: telling if you look at something like the WWE, they 688 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 3: haven't had a superstar like Hulk Hogan, the rock Stone 689 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 3: called Steve Austin in twenty odd years, really, And it's because, 690 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,439 Speaker 3: for the most part they've moved away, I think from 691 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 3: the kind of model that they followed so successfully for 692 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 3: decades and decades for creating superstars. 693 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 2: No. 694 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: I was I was talking to I was talking to 695 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: someone about this prior to the show here and who 696 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: has some some background in WWE. And I said, you know, 697 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: I said, you know, you know, the problem is they 698 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,919 Speaker 1: keep adding too many dimensions. It's this post modernist where 699 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 1: everything has to be deconstructed and someone needs to need 700 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: to be three dimensional and four dimensional and and I said, no, 701 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: one dimension. You need one dimensional archetypal characters. This is 702 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 1: who Hulk Hogan is, period, full stop. Go watch an 703 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: episode of G I. Joe, which of course had Sergeant 704 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: Slaughter in it, right, you know, one dimensional characters. That's 705 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: someone's villain there, even when when Hulk Hogan was good. 706 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 1: He was he was Hulk Hogan, and he loved the 707 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 1: flag and he trained praide and ate his vitamins. When 708 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,359 Speaker 1: he turned bad, he was Hollywood Hogan. He was pure 709 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,879 Speaker 1: evil right here, right, just a just a bad dude 710 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: who hated on everyone. And he, you know, turns heel 711 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: has to fight the court again. It's it's very simple. 712 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 1: And you people overthink things, they over complicate things, they 713 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: want to deconstruct things because they they've completely lost touch 714 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: with reality. And when you lose that touch with reality, 715 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 1: and the things we're talking about are absolutely applicable to 716 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: politics as well. That's why Donald Trump is successful because 717 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: he has the pulse of the common man. He has 718 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: the pulse of the average individual. That's why he was 719 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: able to defeat, by the way, the two greatest political dynasties, 720 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: the Clintons and the Bushes. Everyone thought they would rule, 721 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 1: and Trump easily defeated them both. And that's all it 722 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 1: really takes. And if you have the right skills, the 723 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 1: right ability, you form this connection and the system and 724 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: here's the key, right, you still have to beat the 725 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: system because the system is set up to prevent anyone 726 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: like that or like a Donald Trump or a whole 727 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,359 Speaker 1: Cogan or an Assie, et cetera, from getting to where 728 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: they are. 729 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely true, absolutely. 730 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 1: Or I should add or I should add a Sydney Sweeney. 731 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, quite. I mean that's yeah, that's a 732 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 3: whole that's a whole other story. But it's but it's 733 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 3: but it's a similar, it's a similar You reach similar 734 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,959 Speaker 3: conclusions when you look at that. You know, they don't. 735 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,359 Speaker 1: We're coming up to we're coming up on our final end. 736 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 1: You know, what should people look for? When you're out there, 737 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 1: you're you're you're wondering, how can I do something about this? 738 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 1: What can I what can I do? And I would say, 739 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,360 Speaker 1: just consider consider the content you consume. That's That's what 740 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: I would would sum it up as. 741 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, yeah, I think so. I think that, Yeah, 742 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 3: the content you consume matters. We live in this algorithmic age. 743 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 3: You are sending signals, very important signals, by the content 744 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 3: you consume. And actually, you know, it's the best way 745 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 3: to tell, if you know, if you're talking about a 746 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 3: company like WWE, if you don't like the WWE's content anymore, 747 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,799 Speaker 3: don't watch it. You know, if you want the WWE 748 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 3: to be more like the WWF when it was the 749 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 3: Attitude era. Then maybe the best way to do that 750 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,440 Speaker 3: is not to is not to watch their current content. 751 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 3: But what we need to do as well, I think 752 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 3: is we need to encourage these companies and also you know, 753 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,800 Speaker 3: political parties. We need to society more broadly employers to 754 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 3: create pathways for people like you know, for real superstars 755 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,320 Speaker 3: to succeed, for real talent to be recognized and fostered, 756 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,920 Speaker 3: and to allow these people actually to ascend to the 757 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 3: heights that they should assent. 758 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,400 Speaker 1: Sydney Sweeney is proof they're still out there. And by 759 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,360 Speaker 1: the way, Sidney Sweeney, who comes from rural Northwest America, 760 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,400 Speaker 1: folks go follow him. Here is the raw egg nationalist 761 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,560 Speaker 1: baby Gravy nine. You can find him out everywhere at 762 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,160 Speaker 1: least Gunment. As always, you have my permission to way 763 00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 1: assure