Speaker 1: Hey friends, it's me Devin Simone and I'm Davon.
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Speaker 2: Us and all of our echoes are here and we
Speaker 2: are excited for this latest episode of the Challenge. Oh,
Speaker 2: we're here, We're here. It's almost over. Okay, it is
Speaker 2: almost over. And we lost our girl Carra today.
Speaker 1: Oh this was It was a beautiful episode, but it
Speaker 1: was also like a gut wrenching episode. It was a lot.
Speaker 1: First of all, TJ looked great in the gray shirt.
Speaker 1: I liked it. I like him with his hair, sleep
Speaker 1: back like that. Props to you, TJ. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: Now we see them at this fortress and Carra said, look,
Speaker 1: I do well with castles, So I got this which
Speaker 1: love that energy? Yes, Karah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They have to transfer these bricks and then after they've
Speaker 1: done forty bricks, they can take over ten poles wooden poles,
Speaker 1: and then they have to construct a puzzle. It just
Speaker 1: seems like a lot people are talking about how their
Speaker 1: skins falling off, and you see all those scars, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Couldn't have been me, I'm dropping, it would have been
Speaker 3: real mad.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, TJ my skin. You don't know.
Speaker 3: Logan took this choclate to get the gluffman to mess
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 1: That's totally not but yeah, it looked.
Speaker 2: It looked absolutely exhausting, like so exhausting. And then my boy, Kyland,
Speaker 2: my boy Kyland, like Kyland, we were here, we had
Speaker 2: the final, and I feel like lately he just kind
Speaker 2: of been fumbling and I'm like, come on, I need
Speaker 2: you to get in, lock it in because we are here.
Speaker 3: This is what you've been working hard for, this is
Speaker 3: what you wanted to do.
Speaker 1: Maybe they got into his head. Do you think remember
Speaker 1: how you were mad because you said they were trying
Speaker 1: to warran h. They were like getting into his head
Speaker 1: talking about how the finals crazy and scary.
Speaker 2: He wasn't a mean he was dusting them with the
Speaker 2: endurance of like collecting the pieces.
Speaker 3: Kyla was dusting everybody, Jordan included.
Speaker 1: But you don't have to because you don't have to
Speaker 1: think to run right or something. I mean not no,
Speaker 1: I just mean, like you know what I mean, you
Speaker 1: can just like run.
Speaker 3: And so Kylin is a good thinker though like he is.
Speaker 1: But then maybe he got in his thoughts I need
Speaker 1: to make this puzzle so I can make it to
Speaker 1: the final. Oh my gosh, I'm gonna make it to
Speaker 1: the final. Oh my gosh, they're gonna kill me. What
Speaker 1: am I doing? You know? Like it's all the thoughts
Speaker 1: I don't really know, but yeah, Kylon is like Klein's
Speaker 1: gonna need to get it together for this final for sure. Also,
Speaker 1: I loved how optimistic Bananas was about smoking them, him
Speaker 1: being like, what if I'm the last one to bring
Speaker 1: over my pieces in the first one to solve the puzzle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that didn't happen, but I appreciated the optimism Jordan and
Speaker 1: Jordan talk about the level of Oh my god. He
Speaker 1: literally motioned to tj of Whind to blow the horn
Speaker 1: like he literally was like, and I'm gonna put this
Speaker 1: piece here and boop just killed it. Jordan killed it.
Speaker 3: I don't even know where to place him. I'm not
Speaker 3: doing that. I'm not doing that. Moore, y'all need to
Speaker 3: watch more movies or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but.
Speaker 3: I don't even I don't know where to place Jordan.
Speaker 1: One of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 3: He just I don't know where to place him.
Speaker 1: He's one of the greatest of all time. I think
Speaker 1: he's earned whatever happens in this season, and we still
Speaker 1: don't know. But my like and I know, like sure
Speaker 1: Bananas has more CT but they've been around for so
Speaker 1: much longer. Like like Jordan, I think Jordan's one of
Speaker 1: the greates of all time. And what's interesting is Banana's
Speaker 1: being having one of the greatest records of all time.
Speaker 1: When we look at his social game, some might like,
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's had such a huge impact,
Speaker 1: right whereas I think, wait, why are you making that face?
Speaker 1: He's making it.
Speaker 2: Because his social media was trash this season. Oh yeah, gosh, Johnny,
Speaker 2: what are we doing? It was trash this season, and
Speaker 2: you know at the end he or was.
Speaker 1: It because he got to the end and he got
Speaker 1: there with his most of his angels in test That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And even with that, you know, people are like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, he got his that was help me because
Speaker 2: I'm drowning.
Speaker 3: Help me people, it was.
Speaker 1: But but we saw him and I think he did
Speaker 1: it more than once, and I have to give him
Speaker 1: six props for that is we saw him, I think
Speaker 1: both on this episode and I think the last episode
Speaker 1: or the second to last episode, tell Rachel and tell
Speaker 1: the girls. Look, at this point, we've gotten so far.
Speaker 1: If you need to make moves to help your game,
Speaker 1: and it was sort of implied that if you need
Speaker 1: to make moves that aren't in my favor, but like
Speaker 1: help your game at this point, I want you to
Speaker 1: make it to the end. And he was even saying
Speaker 1: that in his talking head interview. And I don't think
Speaker 1: that can be overlooked because I like, I think that
Speaker 1: is in a level of integrity that not all players
Speaker 1: see and have. And to me, that says he does
Speaker 1: genuinely care about Johnny's angels, and I respect it.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's like, let's save me, you and Kara mm hm,
Speaker 2: you know, and nothing against Kara, but we've just got
Speaker 2: that cool right.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell Kara, hey, if.
Speaker 2: You feel like that's something you might need to do,
Speaker 2: but you I would tell that too. I'm saying, in
Speaker 2: a sense, he had to get to a point where
Speaker 2: he felt like I can say this because I feel
Speaker 2: like you're not gonna do it. I don't feel like
Speaker 2: you're gonna do it, But let me just go ahead
Speaker 2: and put this on the table.
Speaker 3: But I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't believe I'm secure in the fact that you
Speaker 2: will decline this offer. I'm caared enough to say that.
Speaker 2: And that's how I took it.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, Okay, that's an interesting take. I agree him
Speaker 1: popping off at everybody. I mean it made for a
Speaker 1: great season, Like me, Oh yeah, it was t entertaining,
Speaker 1: but it was it was. It was just a lot
Speaker 1: of tension. But I love seeing all the fun that
Speaker 1: we got to see toward the latter half of the dances,
Speaker 1: the parties, the birthdays, all of that was like really
Speaker 1: fun and lovely to see. And in case you guys
Speaker 1: are trying to keep track, just warning you, this episode
Speaker 1: is all over the place, but in a fun way.
Speaker 1: So uh, Jordan took home the win for the dudes,
Speaker 1: did it so gracefully. And this week's Daily and Jenny
Speaker 1: took home the win for the gals and did it
Speaker 1: made it look so easily, while Rach took second place
Speaker 1: and then followed by Kara, I think cars.
Speaker 3: Car well for her to have that time car, I
Speaker 3: killed it.
Speaker 1: Calara killed it with that time penalty, Like that's she
Speaker 1: did an exceptional job. And then unfortunately Tory came in
Speaker 1: last place and Derek came in last place, which for
Speaker 1: Derek just means he's gonna have a time penalty in
Speaker 1: the final. Way the final, I'm curious to see how
Speaker 1: that's gonna play out.
Speaker 3: Terrifying and then we see tour.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, which would you rather? And this is for
Speaker 1: you two listeners. You can DMS and less know. Would
Speaker 1: you rather be Derek, know you're going into the final,
Speaker 1: but have a big penalty going in, or would you
Speaker 1: rather be Torri You're going into an elimination, but if
Speaker 1: you come out on that elimination, you don't have a
Speaker 1: penalty going into the final.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good question.
Speaker 2: I think either way either way, because I trust myself
Speaker 2: an elimination, so I'm not I would rather an elimination.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want no time penalty in the eye.
Speaker 2: So put me go ahead, put me in an elimination,
Speaker 2: let me fight for my life, and then let me
Speaker 2: go on into this final. Yeah, fully prepared and you know,
Speaker 2: with same level playing field as everybody else.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, o, Dearren, Yeah, because it would probably be
Speaker 1: pretty defeating feeling time penalty now me back in the day,
Speaker 1: I'd probably be like Big TV may not get first anyway,
Speaker 1: so go ahead and tack on this exture three minutes.
Speaker 1: I forgot how much time I was behind everybody else. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it was a while, Hey third, thank you, but just
Speaker 1: maybe four hours behind. But regardless, we finished okay both times.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I because you just never know what that
Speaker 1: elimination is gonna be. Like, I feel like those last
Speaker 1: minute eliminations are always anyone's like anything's anyone's game, but man,
Speaker 1: I feel like the ones right before the final are
Speaker 1: really really anyone's game. And that's exactly what we saw here.
Speaker 1: So we get to the chamber, Jordan ultimately picks Kara,
Speaker 1: and it came down to a handshake. This is why
Speaker 1: you should wash your hands and why you should shake hands.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, both one little extra step, one.
Speaker 1: Little conversation they had and boom, and I respect Jordan's
Speaker 1: so much for being a person of his word. I love.
Speaker 1: We've said it before. I like gameplay like that. I
Speaker 1: think you can be a winner. I guess that's what
Speaker 1: I was trying to point out about the bananas thing,
Speaker 1: or just like the social game plays like I do
Speaker 1: think you can be a winner and stick by your word, right,
Speaker 1: or like make sort of game moves with a certain
Speaker 1: level of integrity, And so that's essentially what Jordan did here.
Speaker 1: Kara handled it like a champ, though, and then we
Speaker 1: end up seeing this elimination, which has got to be
Speaker 1: Tori has described it as the most grueling elimination she's
Speaker 1: ever been a part of. It's one of the most
Speaker 1: twisted eliminations I think we've ever seen.
Speaker 3: At first, I was mad. I was like, what is this?
Speaker 3: Like they gotta tread what is this?
Speaker 2: And then as I watched it, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I would have lost.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, treading water until I do like like
Speaker 1: treading I no, no, I'm just saying. And then they're
Speaker 1: getting bitten. And then there's snakes in there. It's nighttime, no, and.
Speaker 3: You know how dark the ocean is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you got me in the middle of the
Speaker 1: sea somewhere Nope, literally nope. So yeah, and you got
Speaker 1: that rickety button. All of it, all of it is
Speaker 1: just the s sinister s hot as mess. Keep it, yeah,
Speaker 1: keep it, TJ. You sleep in it because I literally ain't.
Speaker 3: No way any way.
Speaker 2: And even like in the in the preview of the
Speaker 2: next episode.
Speaker 3: As they're going into the final, they look miserable.
Speaker 1: They probably caught cholera and everything else on that boat.
Speaker 1: They dug up the Titanic for the final, Do you
Speaker 1: guys not understand? And then put these people on it?
Speaker 1: What is happening? Sleep is on zero there It just
Speaker 1: looks rusty, like I none of no, absolutely not. We
Speaker 1: have a brutal elimination. Ultimately Tory comes out on top,
Speaker 1: but Kara put in one hell of a fight and
Speaker 1: didn't quit a valiant effort, and then we see a
Speaker 1: beautiful moment between Kara and Tory at the end. Who
Speaker 1: gets your time out of the week?
Speaker 2: So I'm actually gonna copy you from last I don't
Speaker 2: have a timeout this I don't have a time out
Speaker 2: this week. That probably we will say Johnny for the
Speaker 2: getting the episode kying of woe is Me?
Speaker 3: Woe is Me?
Speaker 2: But not even that, because I really genuinely think he
Speaker 2: believes that.
Speaker 1: So I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't knock that, So I don't. I don't have
Speaker 3: a time out this week.
Speaker 2: Like everyone is here, everyone is playing, everyone is giving
Speaker 2: it there all.
Speaker 3: Are they exhausted?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Are they lacking in certain areas because they're exhausted. Sure,
Speaker 2: but I'm excited for this final group of people, Like
Speaker 2: I have no time out this week?
Speaker 3: What about you?
Speaker 1: Whoever chose that boat that is getting they're getting my
Speaker 1: time out. I agree with the cast. I think they
Speaker 1: owe every single one of them. I think anyone who
Speaker 1: makes it to a final deserves to be there. I
Speaker 1: hate when people do that for it, like you made it,
Speaker 1: so you deserve to be there. But I have so
Speaker 1: much respect for every individual on this cast in different ways,
Speaker 1: and so I'm happy for them, excited for them, nervous
Speaker 1: for them. That damn boat. I just I don't yeah,
Speaker 1: not even I can't. I mean, okay, look if we
Speaker 1: zoom out, is it entertaining? Yes? Is it interesting? Yes?
Speaker 1: Am I gonna watch? Absolutely? But just how awful? Like
Speaker 1: put that warship back? No, and then you're gonna call
Speaker 1: it the sinister as if it wasn't bad. Now they're
Speaker 1: just playing in everyone's face. Not so they get a
Speaker 1: time out. But it's hard, I know it's and to
Speaker 1: make that rickety noise, it's gonna be hard. You know,
Speaker 1: there's not comfortable mattresses on there, there's no temper pedic
Speaker 1: there's no mattress firm. It's all of it. No who oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell who gets my gold star?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I got a couple go ahead, Oh.
Speaker 1: Here we go. So I think they all did. It
Speaker 1: was a great season or like a great episode. Everyone
Speaker 1: was lovely.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Honorable mintion would be Jordan and the way he ace that.
Speaker 1: But and Kara is an honorable mintion in the way
Speaker 1: that she still didn't end up last with that three
Speaker 1: minute penalty, because that three minutes are significant. But I'd
Speaker 1: have to say that my gold star is between Kara
Speaker 1: and Tory and where their relationship has ended up, and
Speaker 1: how Michelle's also an oliverle mantion for making it to
Speaker 1: the final everyon's Aliver manch. But really just that I
Speaker 1: think that was such a beautiful moment, for the fact
Speaker 1: that they've been been pitted against one another for so
Speaker 1: long and they both put up a valiant effort, and
Speaker 1: then when Tory won, she could have been like, give
Speaker 1: me on this water, I'm done for her to even
Speaker 1: take whatever ounce of energy left and swim over to
Speaker 1: Kara and be like, I want you to know I
Speaker 1: am so proud of you. Why is it making met
Speaker 1: her up. What is wrong with me?
Speaker 4: Anyway?
Speaker 1: It was just it was really beautiful to see and
Speaker 1: I think they show. Yes, it's drama and its competition,
Speaker 1: but at its core, there are these magical moments of
Speaker 1: beauty that like viewers, that fans, that we get to
Speaker 1: see that really hopefully plan to see of like goodness
Speaker 1: in our everyday lives. And we got to see that
Speaker 1: two exceptional competitors being sportsmen like and then Carr getting
Speaker 1: out of the water saying, look, I genuinely hope for
Speaker 1: the best for Tory, like I'm excited for her. I
Speaker 1: just love it all. So those girls get My gold
Speaker 1: Star hands down. What about you day?
Speaker 3: Yeah, being kind is literally free ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Off you nothing right, So yeah, it was really good
Speaker 2: to watch that.
Speaker 3: So I'm giving everybody, the.
Speaker 2: Entire cast pieces of my gold Star.
Speaker 3: Howd the core of my Star.
Speaker 2: And I understand that she'd have been a little sloppy
Speaker 2: lately and that's okay, and that's okay, but the core
Speaker 2: of my Star, I have to give it to Rachel
Speaker 2: and I have to give it to her because my
Speaker 2: girl has been playing a solo game for the longest
Speaker 2: I mean the longest and she's been holding down Era
Speaker 2: one like by her self, and so to navigate through
Speaker 2: the game the way she has, choosing to be with
Speaker 2: this alliance, also making deals with Jordan over here, who
Speaker 2: is not attached with Johnny but still making agreements with
Speaker 2: Toy and making agreements with like she the girl has
Speaker 2: been working.
Speaker 3: Do you understand me?
Speaker 2: The woman has been putting in the work, so to
Speaker 2: go through that as the lone ranger and make it
Speaker 2: all the way to the final Rachel yep, ma'am yep,
Speaker 2: I tip my hats I don't own right now, but
Speaker 2: when I put one on, I'm gonna tip it to you.
Speaker 2: Because girl, so yes, I have to give the core
Speaker 2: of my goal star to Rachel.
Speaker 1: She doing that, agreed, absolutely agreed. It is going to
Speaker 1: be such an epic finale to watch. I can't even like,
Speaker 1: I can't wait because I don't want it to end.
Speaker 1: But then I can't wait because I want to see
Speaker 1: what happens. Yeah, exceptional. I want to see how those karma.
Speaker 2: Points play out, because in the preview we see Johnny
Speaker 2: a little pissed off, right, like, so.
Speaker 3: How heavy isn't heavy?
Speaker 1: Johnny said, I might as well jump off this boat.
Speaker 1: Right now, which to me says, you know then that
Speaker 1: you're pissing people off, are not getting right by people
Speaker 1: that you know that. But I am intrigued to see
Speaker 1: how that plays out to I have a feeling this
Speaker 1: is going to have one hell of a twist, this ending,
Speaker 1: and it's going to be so fascinating. Something else that's
Speaker 1: going to be fascinating is our interview today. Yes, folks,
Speaker 1: you read that right, if you read the description of
Speaker 1: this week's episode, we have the one, the only car
Speaker 1: Maria here today to talk about the season, to talk
Speaker 1: about everything that's going on, her growth, what we should
Speaker 1: be keeping an eye out for, a little bit of
Speaker 1: her personal life, all the things. So grab a snack,
Speaker 1: do some stretches, wash your hands, and shake some hands
Speaker 1: because you know, like in Rachel's worlds, it can make
Speaker 1: a big difference. And don't go anywhere because we have
Speaker 1: a fabulous interview with car Maria coming up right after this.
Speaker 1: Come one, come all, It is that time we have
Speaker 1: arguably the star of the season, or certainly one of
Speaker 1: the stars of the season. Please give it up for
Speaker 1: fan favorite car Maria. Hello, oh Tara, Hi.
Speaker 4: Ladies, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the pod.
Speaker 1: Welcome We debated doing this in this see with some
Speaker 1: plankton and no we did. No, we did seaweed, but
Speaker 1: we decided, after all the hard work you put in
Speaker 1: that we would just do it on Land.
Speaker 4: Oh you guys are so grand.
Speaker 1: Wow. Car Okay, First of all, how do you feel
Speaker 1: watching the episode back? How do you feel about the
Speaker 1: season overall?
Speaker 4: I'm I'm really proud of this season, to be honest.
Speaker 4: I said it a few times on this episode, but
Speaker 4: you know, coming from All Stars, coming from a huge break,
Speaker 4: you know, I hadn't competed in so long, and then
Speaker 4: I got thrown, you know, put my foot back in
Speaker 4: the door for All Stars, and immediately off the bat,
Speaker 4: you know, Laura was telling the whole house, don't work
Speaker 4: with her. She's horrible. She's the worst person in the world.
Speaker 4: Don't even talk to her, don't even look at her.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that was going on, you know, with
Speaker 4: All Stars. So so that was my welcome back, and
Speaker 4: then immediately my back against the wall. And now you're
Speaker 4: going against Rachel, now you're going against Cam and just
Speaker 4: absolute survival mode. And so going from that to going
Speaker 4: to this season and obviously right off the bat. You know,
Speaker 4: Johnny and Laurel were like, we're coming for you still,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I can't breathe, like nobody's giving me
Speaker 4: a chance to breathe. And then for the rest of
Speaker 4: the season after that, because the way the format was
Speaker 4: set up, I was able to breathe, and I found
Speaker 4: myself immediately off the rip. As soon as you know,
Speaker 4: Laurel was showing her face and Johnny was being how
Speaker 4: he was, I was like, I'm moving out of Air two.
Speaker 4: I lived in Era four all season. Immediately as soon
Speaker 4: as Paulie left, I took over his bed, and I
Speaker 4: was an honorary part of Era four. And you know,
Speaker 4: because I had enemies kind of everywhere in a sense,
Speaker 4: but two of them made themselves more prominent than anybody else.
Speaker 4: I kind of just I fell into the arms of
Speaker 4: some other people and I was able to just be
Speaker 4: myself and no matter what costs in my war, no
Speaker 4: matter if I wanted to be Carl or Kara, everybody
Speaker 4: was like, oh, Theirsty goes again, like this is just
Speaker 4: how she is, and it was just like it was
Speaker 4: just so amazing to be accepted and actually be able
Speaker 4: to breathe and have fun and just after the whole,
Speaker 4: you know, laurel situation able to just kind of like
Speaker 4: kick back and just focus on the competition was nice.
Speaker 1: First of all, Carl, this is Carl standing Carl by
Speaker 1: the way, freaking hilarious.
Speaker 2: Well, for me, whatever happened with you and Laurel, I'm
Speaker 2: glad that y'all washed each other.
Speaker 3: Y'all washed your hands, be done with it.
Speaker 2: And I think once she was gone, no shade to Laurel,
Speaker 2: because I appreciate Laura. I like Laurel, but I think
Speaker 2: once she was gone, we really got an opportunity to
Speaker 2: see you shine because the weight of that, the heaviness
Speaker 2: of that was gone, and so we really got an
Speaker 2: opportunity to see Caara and refall in love with Carra.
Speaker 2: And I got so excited watching you play this season,
Speaker 2: and I got so excited to root for you this season.
Speaker 2: And I was very proud of the reconciliation of you
Speaker 2: and Amanda.
Speaker 3: I just want to throw that in there because I
Speaker 3: think that.
Speaker 4: Was honestly and you know better than anybody. I think
Speaker 4: that I'll give credit to Paullie on that one. I
Speaker 4: think Paulli uh brought that one together because him and
Speaker 4: Amanda have always been friends, and he kind of was
Speaker 4: the one that had a chat with her beforehand about
Speaker 4: mending the fences, because honestly, there was so many alliances
Speaker 4: this season that I just wasn't part of, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I don't need we don't need every gun
Speaker 4: on our backs, you know what I mean. So me
Speaker 4: and Amanda were like.
Speaker 2: Hey, I loved watching that moment, but man, Devin gonna
Speaker 2: take credit for it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take it too, because if you are when
Speaker 1: he bum rushed into your hotel room like some creepers.
Speaker 1: One of the things we were talking to you about
Speaker 1: is letting people see these wonderful sides of you, right
Speaker 1: like people that in the past have you know, rightfully
Speaker 1: so gotten on your nerves or not. You know, you
Speaker 1: guys haven't necessarily gelled. And so seeing you and Amanda,
Speaker 1: seeing you and Tory, like the goal of that was
Speaker 1: so cool. We just got to see so much of Kara,
Speaker 1: and even as the season progressed and right before Laurel quit,
Speaker 1: just in your talking heads, the way that you spoke
Speaker 1: about it, there was such a like maturity about you know,
Speaker 1: as you were evaluating her as a competitor, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the you know, whatever the relationship is was just
Speaker 1: really really cool to see and I think probably created
Speaker 1: an additional round of Kara stands for sure. Now let's
Speaker 1: back up for a bit and chat about in the
Speaker 1: last episode, right, you volunteered yourself sort of a tribute
Speaker 1: for Derek, like to be a target for Derek, knowing
Speaker 1: you had a penalty already on you, and it was
Speaker 1: seemed like such just like a a baliant move. Can
Speaker 1: you walk us through how you got to that space?
Speaker 1: When did you decide that you would do that.
Speaker 4: I saw that he had a lot of stress on it.
Speaker 4: It was before before he did his elimination, so I
Speaker 4: already you you know, me and Corey had a deal
Speaker 4: that was the only deal in the house. But a
Speaker 4: lot of people don't know like me and Derek spent
Speaker 4: basically every second together. We were playing cards like all season.
Speaker 4: That's all we did. And so people when they see
Speaker 4: it with someone twenty four to seven, they think, oh,
Speaker 4: that's your number one, or that's your alliance. Me and
Speaker 4: Derek never shook hands, We never made an alliance. We
Speaker 4: just enjoyed each other's company. Corey was the only one
Speaker 4: I made an alliance with But me and Derek, like we
Speaker 4: got really close, and I knew how close he was
Speaker 4: to Michelle, and I just I didn't want him to
Speaker 4: have to be put to even think he went into
Speaker 4: an elimination on you know, the anniversary. I think it
Speaker 4: was his sister's.
Speaker 1: Birthday birthday, Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was his sister's birthday. Who's past. And I was like, please,
Speaker 4: I brought up to him before he before he went in.
Speaker 4: I was like, Derek, I'm like, please, don't even think
Speaker 4: or stress about your targets. I was like, just make
Speaker 4: me a target. Don't even think twice about it, think
Speaker 4: about winning, think about honoring your sister. Like and obviously
Speaker 4: you know I'm rooting for Corey too, you know. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, but you know, I don't want the target
Speaker 4: thing to be on your head. It shouldn't be a
Speaker 4: thing on your day. And he's like really, he goes,
Speaker 4: thank you. That just like makes things so much lighter
Speaker 4: for me, And I was like, all right, cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, it's such a beautiful move, like
Speaker 1: such a brave move.
Speaker 3: Did you regret that.
Speaker 1: Next?
Speaker 4: No, because I thought there was still a way, Like
Speaker 4: I was like, even when I was I just coming
Speaker 4: into that challenge, I'm like, all right, we're running through
Speaker 4: a castle. I you know, if if Kylon wins, I
Speaker 4: should be okay if I don't win. So first of all,
Speaker 4: I have to win, right, And I feel really strong
Speaker 4: when my back's against the wall and it's like do
Speaker 4: or die. I usually do m so I come in
Speaker 4: the clutch. So I'm like, and this is just endurance
Speaker 4: and a puzzle, and that is my favorite thing to do,
Speaker 4: Like anything that's a workhorse grudge kind of a thing
Speaker 4: and you just grudge on through it. That is my
Speaker 4: favorite type of thing. And then there's a puzzle at
Speaker 4: the end, So if you're behind or whatever, there's a
Speaker 4: way you might be able to catch up if you
Speaker 4: could figure it out. I was confident in the challenge
Speaker 4: that I had to do, and then I was confident
Speaker 4: that if Derek one, I'd be safe, If Kylon won,
Speaker 4: I'd be safe, If Johnny One obviously am going in,
Speaker 4: and if Jordan won, I honestly thought I'd be safe,
Speaker 4: Like I really if as long as Jenny didn't win,
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure, you know, Jordan, if it was between
Speaker 4: me and Jenny, Jordan would have put in.
Speaker 1: Jenny Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 4: So I felt confident that, like, first of all, I
Speaker 4: have to depend on myself, and if I can't pull
Speaker 4: it off, then I think there's a pretty good chance
Speaker 4: with the guys that are left that I'll be all right.
Speaker 1: M hm, that's fair. That's actually really smart strategy. And
Speaker 1: before we're sort of like going out of order here,
Speaker 1: But I am so curious, what do you think was
Speaker 1: the struggle with the puzzle? Because it was so interesting
Speaker 1: watching people with this particular one, Like some people seem
Speaker 1: to really struggle, right, like you had Kylin get there first,
Speaker 1: but you had Jordan finish. You obviously aced it and
Speaker 1: did great even with the time penalty.
Speaker 3: Even with the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there were some others who really seemed
Speaker 1: to struggle with that particular puzzle, Like what can you
Speaker 1: walk us through what it was like and what may
Speaker 1: have been harder that we didn't see.
Speaker 4: I think it's just like people are always like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, you need to get better at puzzles or oh,
Speaker 4: I'm so good at puzzles, But puzzles are so different.
Speaker 4: It's different than saying I'm good at running, Like running
Speaker 4: is always going to be running, you know, puzzles is
Speaker 4: always something different and depending on what leads up to
Speaker 4: it or depending on if you just see it or not,
Speaker 4: is you know how you complete the things. So puzzles
Speaker 4: really are the great equalizer because you could even do
Speaker 4: the same puzzle one hundred times one hundred and first
Speaker 4: time you go do it, you might black out right.
Speaker 4: So I don't know why other people had a hard time.
Speaker 4: Maybe they were stressed about you know, oh my god,
Speaker 4: I'm almost in last place. I can't come in like
Speaker 4: maybe they were. You know, they let those thoughts overtake
Speaker 4: them instead of what picture am I building? So it
Speaker 4: just really depends on your state of mind, and you
Speaker 4: know how determines you do the puzzle.
Speaker 1: I guess we saw some people to organizing the pieces
Speaker 1: on the ground it looked like and others not. What
Speaker 1: was your take on that.
Speaker 4: I immediately took all of the logs out, put them
Speaker 4: on the ground. I kind of saw the picture and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, there it is, and then I
Speaker 4: was just throwing them in and I got it, okay.
Speaker 1: So that was Devin.
Speaker 2: We just talked about that as a pulse to trying
Speaker 2: to figure it out.
Speaker 4: You can't, yeah, you can't that the lines were so
Speaker 4: weird and everybody had a different puzzle.
Speaker 1: Oh so I couldn't just.
Speaker 4: Look at the person in front of me, Like everybody's
Speaker 4: set up in lines were different, like different colors, different lines,
Speaker 4: not it wasn't the same puzzle across the board.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about it in this season. How
Speaker 1: we've seen it's been so interesting because earlier in the season,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember saying it's been a
Speaker 1: while ago, but like when we're looking at like Drell's elimination,
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, there were people who in eliminations
Speaker 1: in particular, we would see sort of the overthinkers and
Speaker 1: the doers. So, particularly if it was something that involved
Speaker 1: some huzzle like element, there are the people who would
Speaker 1: just kind of assemble it on the fly, and then
Speaker 1: the people who would be like, let me put it
Speaker 1: down or let me do the math in the second
Speaker 1: and then do it. Yeah, exactly. And then as the
Speaker 1: seasons progressed though, it actually seems like the thing again
Speaker 1: overthinkers probably not the most accurate term, but you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like the people who kind of like strategize.
Speaker 1: We see as we moved throughout the season, those now
Speaker 1: are the ones that are winning the eliminations or winning
Speaker 1: the dailies are the ones who sort of do what
Speaker 1: you did right where you put the pieces on the
Speaker 1: ground and figure it all out instead of just doing
Speaker 1: It's been really interesting watching that switch. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: people have two very different ways of doing Some people.
Speaker 3: Just go for it and some could have been what
Speaker 3: got Kyland too?
Speaker 4: You probably definitely oversaw it for sure.
Speaker 3: So we have this this location change.
Speaker 1: Okay, TJ.
Speaker 3: Let us know in front of Corey.
Speaker 4: Jesus, that's a good season. Was he did? So?
Speaker 2: Side note, since you're here, we want to know from
Speaker 2: you because we were trying to figure out, after you
Speaker 2: and Corey decided to be in an alliance, what your
Speaker 2: name would be. Yes, the boats have said so my
Speaker 2: people said, uh, Corey Maria, what would you say Kara?
Speaker 4: I mean, if you want to mix the mix the names,
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 1: Karri Warria, oh, Warria.
Speaker 4: I don't think you can have an alliance. I don't
Speaker 4: think you can have an alliance name for just two people.
Speaker 4: I think we are just we're the odd men out.
Speaker 4: We're like the last you know, We're just like you know,
Speaker 4: by default, we're like Corey we're literally last on everybody's list.
Speaker 4: Do you want to just like see what we can
Speaker 4: do together?
Speaker 2: It was so good though, we enjoy watching you two
Speaker 2: come together. But yes, we have a location change. Right,
Speaker 2: How did being in the Philippines differ or compare to
Speaker 2: being in Vietnam?
Speaker 4: Listen. As soon as he said location change, my thought was, oh,
Speaker 4: remember when they had us do that whole desert, that
Speaker 4: whole desert mini fi, that brutal desert mini final. I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, oh, less green location change. We're totally
Speaker 4: going to the desert. That would make sense why we
Speaker 4: did that mini final?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: And then when we pulled up and it was nothing
Speaker 4: but water, I was like, I am screwed.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm not gonna lie for me.
Speaker 2: That was terrifying too, Like the idea of having to
Speaker 2: be in so much water and such large bodies were
Speaker 2: out terrified.
Speaker 3: I was like, I wouldn't have made it.
Speaker 4: It's the thing is, and people like, why didn't you
Speaker 4: just swim more? Why don't you get better at swimming?
Speaker 4: Here's the thing. These women that were left are the
Speaker 4: best swimmers that have probably ever been on the challenge.
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, like all like Michelle was
Speaker 4: a swim instructor in school. Toy's really like come leagues
Speaker 4: in her swimming. She was already a good swimmer, and
Speaker 4: now she's even better. She had like a military dude
Speaker 4: training her. And then the other two Rachel's always swim
Speaker 4: like a shark, and so has Jenny, Like Jenny's an
Speaker 4: incredible athlete.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 4: So you know the fact that those were the woman
Speaker 4: I'm an average swimmer, Like I can swim, I will
Speaker 4: get there. But if you're having any race for five
Speaker 4: hundred meters, I mean I'm not Michael Phelps right right,
Speaker 4: So if you have the other average swimmers, I would
Speaker 4: definitely probably beat the other average swimmers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wouldn't even say you're an average swimmer. I'd
Speaker 1: say you're an above average swimmer. And especially the performance
Speaker 1: that we saw in that elimination is just like I
Speaker 1: have no like I I would have been looking for
Speaker 1: you under water. I like Karra. I Okay, first of all,
Speaker 1: when you get there and I know we're going to
Speaker 1: all sorts out of order. When you get there and
Speaker 1: you know see you're going to a boat and you
Speaker 1: have this elimination coming out, Like, what's the initial thought
Speaker 1: in your mind.
Speaker 4: My first thought is, TJ, where's the arena? Right, like, literally,
Speaker 4: where is the arena? And I see like a little
Speaker 4: circle of buckets in the water, and I'm like that
Speaker 4: kidpy it, like, yeah, tell me that that's not it?
Speaker 4: Like I'm like, do I have to go under these
Speaker 4: buckets and solve a puzzle in the water with my
Speaker 4: head in a can? Like what am I doing? And
Speaker 4: it was just, uh, it's you know, I think the
Speaker 4: way that everything played out, it's funny how the you
Speaker 4: know the world of the challenge happens and the way
Speaker 4: that things happen. And but I'm blown away that that
Speaker 4: was me and me and Torri clashed the Titans. We
Speaker 4: finally come together and we're floating in a salt spare
Speaker 4: that we're eating our skin or I think the similar
Speaker 4: to the fish that you'll go put your.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like how I feel.
Speaker 3: I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: Wait, did your skin come out extra smooth? Cara? When
Speaker 1: it was all that said den then yeah.
Speaker 4: And every bit of red that had ever existed in
Speaker 4: my hair, my hair was like wander than Tory's.
Speaker 1: What I got?
Speaker 3: The goodness?
Speaker 1: Great?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: So toris uh we were wrapping up the elimination. She
Speaker 2: said that you guys were in there for hours.
Speaker 3: How long was this elimination?
Speaker 4: This, that's three hours?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: So I mean they put a time limit on it
Speaker 4: because if if we never had to put our hands up,
Speaker 4: I would have been her son came up and it
Speaker 4: would have gone straight into the final. So at some
Speaker 4: point this had to end. I don't know if they
Speaker 4: were going to bring out weights.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh my god, that'd be awful.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think was he a marine or was he
Speaker 4: a Navy seal? I forget. I don't want to disrespect
Speaker 4: booth he told me, and I keep going to stay marine,
Speaker 4: but I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't remember he was in the Navy. I don't
Speaker 1: remember either military.
Speaker 4: But he said that what they do is they've He said,
Speaker 4: the longest anybody could possibly last with their arms up
Speaker 4: is like half an hour, which is aggressive for like
Speaker 4: a well trained water guy, but like fully arms up.
Speaker 4: But obviously most people like won't last that long. And
Speaker 4: when he said get your elbows out of the water,
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, no, how I can possibly stay up?
Speaker 4: And I'm looking at Tori and she literally was like
Speaker 4: a ballerina, not like the arms fully up and just
Speaker 4: I'm like she's I'm like this is and I just
Speaker 4: didn't at that point know how to even stay up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at that point.
Speaker 3: And then the snake, the snake girl. Yeah, was it
Speaker 3: just the one or were there multiple?
Speaker 4: Apparently there's all kinds of stuff floating underneath us. Like
Speaker 4: the rest of the challengers were falling asleep on the boat,
Speaker 4: they'd wake up, they'd look, they're like they would see
Speaker 4: things swimming underneath us. There was a snake, there was
Speaker 4: I felt like every time my ears kind of went
Speaker 4: under the water, I heard like almost like electricity and
Speaker 4: I don't know if that was all those little fishes.
Speaker 4: And then bite it, but they bit and it hurt,
Speaker 4: like frigging hurt, and it was It was three hours
Speaker 4: and the pitch black, not knowing what was underneath us,
Speaker 4: not knowing you know what TJ was gonna TJ was
Speaker 4: gonna throw down a wait for us to catch a hold, like,
Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, I'm myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should be just in there. You should be
Speaker 1: proud of yourself.
Speaker 2: Not only getting in there, but going hands ahead with Tory. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm as a viewer because I love being a viewer.
Speaker 2: I'm not not so much a challenger, but a viewer, right,
Speaker 2: she'll be. I love being a viewer and watching you
Speaker 2: and Tory go heads ahead is something that the people
Speaker 2: have been wanting to see. So watching the journey of
Speaker 2: YouTube build this this friendship and you know, this respect
Speaker 2: for each other and it show on camera. You know,
Speaker 2: how did it feel to have this final boss as
Speaker 2: you both called it, moment at the end.
Speaker 3: How was that?
Speaker 4: I just feel lighter, like I feel like everything just
Speaker 4: came full circle. And me and Tory actually did have
Speaker 4: you know, full conversations. We deep dove into our past
Speaker 4: about you know, because everybody's the hero of their own story.
Speaker 4: Everybody's you know, got their own view, their own narrative,
Speaker 4: and so we each presented our views and how we felt,
Speaker 4: how we went through things, and how we saw the
Speaker 4: other person and where the disconnect happened and whatnot, and
Speaker 4: we really went through it and we came out to
Speaker 4: a better understanding of each other, like a genuine respect,
Speaker 4: in my full respect. And I've repeated the story several times,
Speaker 4: but I will again came for Tory when we were
Speaker 4: doing the run across the field and there was like
Speaker 4: the ditch and then the balls in the tube, and
Speaker 4: I went to go put my ball into tories because
Speaker 4: ours were right next to each other, you know, you
Speaker 4: pulled names out of a hat. Somehow me and tore
Speaker 4: I ended up on the same end of the field
Speaker 4: and I went to go put my ball on hers
Speaker 4: because I wasn't I was brain dead from the heat
Speaker 4: and the freaking out and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: And she goes, wait, car stop, that's mine. That's mine,
Speaker 4: that's mine. Stop. She could have just let me drop
Speaker 4: it in our tube and then carried it on, but
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, oh, oh, thank you and I
Speaker 4: and this was before we really developed our friendship. And
Speaker 4: then I put mine in mine, and afterwards I was like, Tori,
Speaker 4: I was like, that meant a lot that you you
Speaker 4: did that you called me out on that. You could
Speaker 4: have just saved yourself an extra run. She goes, yeah,
Speaker 4: but then then I really wouldn't have won. It wouldn't
Speaker 4: it was if I beat you. It's because I really
Speaker 4: want to be able to like freaking beat you. And
Speaker 4: she goes and I was like, well, what if I
Speaker 4: did drop it in, what would you have done? She goes, well,
Speaker 4: I would have just dropped mine in yours, and I
Speaker 4: was like, what, like so genuine, like a genuine competitor
Speaker 4: that in that moment, I was like, all right, I
Speaker 4: was like, I like this girl. If you play with
Speaker 4: integrity and heart like that, you know, it just goes
Speaker 4: to show, like her evolution, all the work that she's
Speaker 4: put in and all the seasons. It sucks that I
Speaker 4: was out, you know, kind of on the bench for
Speaker 4: all those seasons where she rose, But she put in
Speaker 4: the work and it shows, you know, so I got
Speaker 4: to give her props.
Speaker 1: It was so awesome being able to watch you two
Speaker 1: come together in that way and have such respect for
Speaker 1: each other as competitors because obviously you both are insane,
Speaker 1: like you both are in the list shortlist of the
Speaker 1: greats now You mentioned how you know there was a
Speaker 1: lot of feet focused in this season, and there really was.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't.
Speaker 4: I think Johnny needs an intervention.
Speaker 1: I love that. Can you tell us more about Johnny
Speaker 1: playing the victim at the beginning of this particular episode
Speaker 1: right where where you guys had just gotten to your
Speaker 1: new digs or the villa where you know they always
Speaker 1: spoil you before. TJ then is like actually you're going
Speaker 1: to be, you know, crying. But when Bananas was sort
Speaker 1: of like everyone's come after me this season and kind
Speaker 1: of going into the victim role, what was it like
Speaker 1: being there for that and how do you feel about it?
Speaker 4: Johnny is never been bullied. He's like, how many time champion?
Speaker 4: He always runs the house. And when you're the top dog,
Speaker 4: you know, the maximum thing that people are gonna do
Speaker 4: is try to like beat you. You know, Like same
Speaker 4: goes for Jordan. Jordan. He walks in and he knows
Speaker 4: everybody knows he's the best, so he's he's gonna he
Speaker 4: doesn't cry victim. If everybody's trying to get rid of Jordan,
Speaker 4: Jordan's like, I know I'm the best. Like, obviously they're
Speaker 4: gonna try to do. Johnny's picking a fight with girls.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you really are sitting there trying to make
Speaker 4: yourself a victim with girls. You're a grown ass dude.
Speaker 4: So I just thought that was just hilarious. I'm like,
Speaker 4: you're really gonna cry about Michelle and Tory? Buddy, You're
Speaker 4: how many how many wings.
Speaker 1: Do you have? Relax?
Speaker 4: I feel like when it comes to Johnny, you know,
Speaker 4: he's the type of guy that I think he is
Speaker 4: so melted into what the challenge is, and I in
Speaker 4: a way I feel for him, you know, I feel like,
Speaker 4: can he ever have a real friendship or real relationship?
Speaker 4: Everybody who he's ever let close has probably tried to
Speaker 4: screw him over or use them for cloud or like,
Speaker 4: I can't imagine being that melted in because I was
Speaker 4: able to have a little bit of a break. But
Speaker 4: you know, as far as Johnny's concerned, like he is
Speaker 4: the challenge and the challenge will die with him. So
Speaker 4: I don't know, there's something.
Speaker 1: Alrighty, we have to take a quick break, but you
Speaker 1: already know we'll be right back right after this. All right,
Speaker 1: are you ready? Let's get back.
Speaker 2: Into this show, being as you took that break and
Speaker 2: then you came back came back hot. Right, We're two
Speaker 2: seasons the interview of your return, do you see a
Speaker 2: retirement for Carl Maria or do you have a lot
Speaker 2: more left in the tank.
Speaker 6: I am so frustrated that, like I could have I
Speaker 6: feel like I've had some missus, you know, like I
Speaker 6: feel like All Stars four should have been a win
Speaker 6: for me.
Speaker 4: I'm disappointed that I lost that. I'm disappointed in War
Speaker 4: of the Worlds too. I feel like that should have
Speaker 4: been a win as well. So I feel like I
Speaker 4: need I need more wins before I can. If I
Speaker 4: could have five wins, I know it's aggressive, and I
Speaker 4: know my third win on Champs versus Stars, you know,
Speaker 4: some people counted, some people don't. So I need about
Speaker 4: two to three more wins for me to be like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm good. I could peace out, you know, I just
Speaker 4: have so much more that I need. Unfortunately, and then
Speaker 4: I'll and then I'll retire. Then I will happily retire,
Speaker 4: but I am chasing greatness.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: There are some people online who prior to your break
Speaker 3: felt like, oh, car needs break, Cars needs brea cart
Speaker 3: needs break.
Speaker 2: And then when you left, they felt the impact of
Speaker 2: your ancence, right, it was felt like, oh wait, wait, no,
Speaker 2: psych she need to come back.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: So do you, on a personal level feel like the
Speaker 2: break was beneficial for you?
Speaker 4: Yes, and no. It was bittersweet because it was at
Speaker 4: i'd say, at the height of my athleticism, my age.
Speaker 4: You know, I was my early thirties. I missed years,
Speaker 4: you know, I was thirty two when I did my
Speaker 4: last season, and then I came back when I was
Speaker 4: like thirty six, thirty seven, so I feel like I've
Speaker 4: missed the prime of my competitive years. But then I
Speaker 4: don't know. CT is still winning, so I'll take it
Speaker 4: as the break was a good reset. It was a
Speaker 4: little too long. I definitely should have come back with
Speaker 4: CT on Rider dies, but that's not here nor there.
Speaker 4: That would have been a good thing. So I think
Speaker 4: the break was longer than necessary. But I'm very thankful
Speaker 4: to be back. I have a lot more to give,
Speaker 4: and I think I've learned so much in my time
Speaker 4: out that you know, it was a good reset for
Speaker 4: the fans. If I find myself falling down that dark
Speaker 4: hole again, like where I'm too melted in and I
Speaker 4: can't peel away from what's real and what's TV, then
Speaker 4: I should voluntarily take another break. But right now, I
Speaker 4: feel fresh, I feel strong, and I and I feel
Speaker 4: like I've found a piece with who I am as
Speaker 4: a competitor and then keeping the game in real life separate.
Speaker 4: So I and it took the break for that to
Speaker 4: happen for me, So I have to everything happens for
Speaker 4: a reason, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You mentioned on the show you said once TJ brings
Speaker 1: up the Karma vote and then you go in your
Speaker 1: talking head you said, oh, that's why I haven't spoken
Speaker 1: to Paulie in almost two months. Was there a rule that, Like,
Speaker 1: was Paulie told that he couldn't call you or that
Speaker 1: you couldn't call him after he left the show?
Speaker 4: Like? What?
Speaker 1: Can you give us some insight into kind of how
Speaker 1: that all went down?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I had been you know, everything I was struggling
Speaker 4: with from what I was going through with Laurel and
Speaker 4: all that. Like I wanted, you know, for me worrying
Speaker 4: about him because I mean, that's the type of competitor
Speaker 4: he is. He's going to literally sacrifice his body, you know,
Speaker 4: against a freight train for even a glimpse of a
Speaker 4: chance at a win because of how bad he's you know,
Speaker 4: he wanted to stay in that game.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So I was worried about his health and I wanted
Speaker 4: to check on him, and I was I also wanted
Speaker 4: to like communicate with him on like just you know,
Speaker 4: like I just wanted to be able to call him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And the most I got was, you know, the flowers
Speaker 4: that you saw there on my on my EMO birthday
Speaker 4: party were from him, which was nice that. You know,
Speaker 4: they allowed him to send those but uh yeah.
Speaker 1: But they said, you guys couldn't. Couldn't because he had
Speaker 1: competed on that season, you guys weren't allowed to.
Speaker 4: And I was like, there must be something more.
Speaker 3: Would have told you. I mean, he really wouldn't know.
Speaker 4: If he's like, all he wanted to do was have
Speaker 4: a conversation. But you know, they had to. They had
Speaker 4: to keep the privacy of you know, the karma. They
Speaker 4: have to, like the karma Voute twist secret. And you know,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm iffy about the whole karma thing. Like I
Speaker 4: actually gave everybody five's except for Johnny Yes.
Speaker 1: To say we saw say that you're gonna go, which
Speaker 1: is actually a pretty good line. I'm going to go
Speaker 1: low like he does every season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was passing him back one for the for
Speaker 4: for every time he's ever voted me. And yeah no,
Speaker 4: but I really, I actually am not a fan of
Speaker 4: having a popularity vote affect your game, Like if you
Speaker 4: genuinely beat someone like it would be it would be
Speaker 4: like me running that final with Laurel blowing her out
Speaker 4: of the water and All Stars four and then TJ
Speaker 4: coming in at the end and being like, hey, Kara,
Speaker 4: I know you killed it, but uh, you know, Laurel
Speaker 4: got stars from everybody on their way out because they
Speaker 4: wanted her to win, not you, So she wins, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like be like what Like, I
Speaker 4: know that's part of the game, and there's always a twist,
Speaker 4: and you can't hate the player. You're gonna hate the
Speaker 4: game and whatever the theme is that makes it happen.
Speaker 4: But I really hate Oh, by the way, these other
Speaker 4: people that got eliminated of the game and might be
Speaker 4: a little bit bitter about something are gonna have a
Speaker 4: say in your fate. I just I don't like it
Speaker 4: because I think it should be like do you do
Speaker 4: you actually win? Did you actually do the best? Did
Speaker 4: you solve the puzzles faster? Did you put everything that
Speaker 4: you possibly had your entire your heart? Did you earn
Speaker 4: first place? Did you earn second place? Did you earn
Speaker 4: third place?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, one you probably know this, but it
Speaker 1: hasn't been revealed to us yet, Like how weighted are
Speaker 1: the karma points? Because to your point, I agree, it
Speaker 1: shouldn't all be popularity, but it's like similar to, for example,
Speaker 1: this last daily challenge, you had a knock against you
Speaker 1: because you had that three minute penalty, but you still
Speaker 1: didn't come in last place because you blew it out
Speaker 1: of the water, you know what I mean, Like you
Speaker 1: were so exceptionally good doing that daily that you still
Speaker 1: came out effectively on top. So as a viewer, it's
Speaker 1: come across that like, sure, these carma points are going
Speaker 1: to have a say, but that it's not going to
Speaker 1: definitively decide over someone who's blowing it out. While again
Speaker 1: we don't know yet because TJ hasn't reviewed that. But
Speaker 1: I also think the idea of karma is interesting because
Speaker 1: we have seen seasons in the past where people have
Speaker 1: been so slimy or snaky or conniving or what ever
Speaker 1: to get to the top, get to a final, get
Speaker 1: to whatever, And the idea of this being positioned as
Speaker 1: karma anyway makes it sound a little less popularity and
Speaker 1: a little more like who. Exactly what you described about
Speaker 1: Tory's actions earlier in the season, right where it's like
Speaker 1: she could have taken that win and not told you, hey, car,
Speaker 1: you're putting the ball because someone did put the ball
Speaker 1: in someone else's thing. We saw that. I forgot who,
Speaker 1: But I think one of the people did.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So to that point, right from a karma standpoint,
Speaker 1: like she could have won and been you know, not
Speaker 1: told you or whatever just benefited from Yeah, but she
Speaker 1: like put out good karma and energy which helped lead
Speaker 1: to where you guys are now, and you giving her
Speaker 1: a decent karma vote. So I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: it makes it keeps it sort of interesting.
Speaker 4: But I just don't believe in and hand me, hand me,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, like give me is I
Speaker 4: just believe in earning it. I know, earning it. I
Speaker 4: know being politically friendly and stuff is another.
Speaker 1: Is a part of the game, and they love that
Speaker 1: part of the game. You know that.
Speaker 4: Actually, Oh I know it very.
Speaker 1: Well and it quite proud. We had this conversation but
Speaker 1: on the stage, and I stand by when I said
Speaker 1: then and we had this conversation in the TSA pre
Speaker 1: check line.
Speaker 4: It's true.
Speaker 1: It's a part of it. And I think too, what
Speaker 1: we saw of you this season, I feel like you
Speaker 1: expanded your game a little bit into us getting to
Speaker 1: see a social side and it was just so lovely
Speaker 1: because you are competitor, but you're a human too, Like
Speaker 1: you're a person, your friend you're you're all these things,
Speaker 1: and so getting to see that side and people being
Speaker 1: able to feel closer to you or connected to you
Speaker 1: or you know whatever else, like I think makes it
Speaker 1: as a show more interesting than say, just watching the Olympics.
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, the Olympics are great, but like,
Speaker 1: people watch this show for not just the competitions, but
Speaker 1: for yeah, the personality, the people, the energies, and I
Speaker 1: think you need all of that mix in there to
Speaker 1: keep it fun and interesting. But and by the way,
Speaker 1: in the TSA pre check line, I just have to say, Kara,
Speaker 1: you told me at the time, he said, I apologize
Speaker 1: because you were right. It's not just staying out of
Speaker 1: elimination wasn't necessarily a bad thing on my part. Also,
Speaker 1: let's be clear that's would have gone home if I
Speaker 1: made it an elimination.
Speaker 4: Dude, your game was great, it wasn't. It's different that
Speaker 4: you you earned your way to the final. You got there.
Speaker 4: The point is to get to the final, that's my point.
Speaker 4: And whether you had the right politics, you had the
Speaker 4: right luck at the right time, you played how you
Speaker 4: had to play, and you got there. But you also
Speaker 4: earned your spot in the final and I mean in
Speaker 4: how you finished and finishing it, you know, as opposed
Speaker 4: to like at the end of the day, people were like,
Speaker 4: oh wait, Laurel, I know you won, but we all
Speaker 4: voted for Devin to win. Do you know what I
Speaker 4: mean earned what you earned?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did that.
Speaker 4: You know, it's different. It's kind of a it's just different.
Speaker 1: To I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4: That part is different.
Speaker 1: That's fair. Yep, totally hear you in that.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: I would piss anybody off.
Speaker 2: Like, Man, I don't mind sounding like a hypocrite. I'm
Speaker 2: against it if it don't work for me. If it
Speaker 2: worked for me and I m then bring them on
Speaker 2: like I don't mind. Okay, now I listened.
Speaker 3: That is what it is.
Speaker 1: Carl.
Speaker 2: When you came into this season, you said you really
Speaker 2: didn't feel like you had numbers on your side. You
Speaker 2: didn't like you have the alliances and all of the things.
Speaker 2: After going through this season, and we can say all
Speaker 2: the way through this season because you were right made today.
Speaker 2: So going through this entire season, do you feel like
Speaker 2: in future season you now can walk into those seasons.
Speaker 3: More confident that you have people on your side.
Speaker 4: Now, I definitely I think even if I think I've
Speaker 4: come to a place where even if I'm friendly with someone,
Speaker 4: I know that at the end of the day, they're
Speaker 4: going to have to their their goal is to get
Speaker 4: to the final, right, And I think where I've grown
Speaker 4: and changed is like I can have friends and I
Speaker 4: can also respect that they're going to play the best
Speaker 4: game for them to get to the end, and I'm
Speaker 4: not going to take it personally outside of it, and
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna know, like we could be cool, we
Speaker 4: could be civil, we can hang, and I'm just going
Speaker 4: to keep the game in real life separate. And it
Speaker 4: does make me feel lighter and happier to walk in
Speaker 4: just knowing that, like it's a more welcoming fun experience
Speaker 4: because I have only ever, really truly honestly known to play,
Speaker 4: which I think what has made me what made me
Speaker 4: so hard there at the end of you know, before
Speaker 4: my break, I've always played with my back against the wall,
Speaker 4: and that's when I do my best. But it also
Speaker 4: is not best for your mental health, right, And I
Speaker 4: think you know, and at that point, it's like me
Speaker 4: against the world. Everybody has to be an enemy, and
Speaker 4: if from a backstands the wall everybody's coming after me.
Speaker 4: Then I win, you know, and it's just be one way.
Speaker 1: Or the other, right, and it sort of becomes a
Speaker 1: self fulfilling prophecy. Like I know it takes some vulnerability,
Speaker 1: but you being the parts of vulnerability we got to
Speaker 1: see you this season seemed like it opened up a
Speaker 1: world for you, you know, of people. I mean again, seeing
Speaker 1: the way even in that deliberation, the way Jordan spoke
Speaker 1: about you, when he was like, oh, I know, you
Speaker 1: guys are probably thinking, of course I'm going to vote
Speaker 1: in car He's like, but no, I've come to really
Speaker 1: like like just really cool, Like it's it's really cool
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 4: I told Jordan, and I didn't know he had made
Speaker 4: a deal with I didn't know he made a deal
Speaker 4: at all with Rachel because Rachel was very outspoken about
Speaker 4: like hating Jordan. Also really I was like blown Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was like blown away. I was like to him
Speaker 4: or just like she would say that, like she never
Speaker 4: left her room except to go to the gym, so
Speaker 4: she was always in that wing of the house and
Speaker 4: I never really saw them talking. And every time you
Speaker 4: would talk, like you know, Jordan, So she wasn't a
Speaker 4: fan of him at all. So and she was and
Speaker 4: she's working with Johnny, and Johnny and Jordan are working,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I didn't know that
Speaker 4: that deal was made. Rachel was really good at making
Speaker 4: a lot of secret deals, so to her credit, she
Speaker 4: killed that.
Speaker 1: So were you shocked then when he was like when
Speaker 1: he did all that, and then he suddenly was like, oh, Kara.
Speaker 4: Okay, because I was on their side of the house
Speaker 4: the entire time. I was with Michelle, and you know,
Speaker 4: I was working with choreos with Michelle and Tory the
Speaker 4: whole time. I was always with Jordan. But I did
Speaker 4: tell him in that deliberation. I was like, Jordan, you know,
Speaker 4: it's crazy how this the world would would come full
Speaker 4: circle like this. I know how things happen clearly if
Speaker 4: you put me in like, I get it, you know,
Speaker 4: especially after all the votes that I threw at you
Speaker 4: in War of the World too, Like I totally understand
Speaker 4: and get it. I'm just hoping, you know, maybe we've
Speaker 4: we've come a different path. But I just didn't know.
Speaker 4: It literally came down to their handshake and I.
Speaker 1: When did you find out that they had made that
Speaker 1: alliance or you know, handshake.
Speaker 4: At the table.
Speaker 1: Did they tell you when he when he made that
Speaker 1: vote for you? Did he say, by the way, because
Speaker 1: I shook hands with Rachel.
Speaker 4: Yes, he said it came down to a handshake. He goes,
Speaker 4: Unfortunately I already promised Rachel earlier this season, and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, what, Yeah, Okay, was blown away.
Speaker 4: I actually thought I had a chance. But I mean,
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, honestly, it seemed like you did
Speaker 1: had they not made that deal, Like it really genuinely
Speaker 1: seemed like you did. So going into a new season
Speaker 1: together with like a Jordan and a Tory, do you
Speaker 1: think you would operate or be open to alliance dev
Speaker 1: on making the handshake motion right now for your chatsy,
Speaker 1: but like that you'd be open to you an early
Speaker 1: alliance with them?
Speaker 4: Do you know? It's so crazy? I feel so awkward
Speaker 4: with the whole alliance thing. I think that's how I
Speaker 4: always end up like a Cory, because if I'm some
Speaker 4: friends with somebody and I'm cool with someone, I don't
Speaker 4: I feel like I never like to ask for anything,
Speaker 4: but I don't want to ask. Hey, so like we're
Speaker 4: an alliance and I like I'm going to be your
Speaker 4: number two, and you're gonna be like, I feel so
Speaker 4: after all the years to do the challenge, I feel
Speaker 4: so incredibly awkward to ask for anything or to go
Speaker 4: in expecting anything, and my social game is shits as
Speaker 4: far as politically that kind of stuff. I just like
Speaker 4: the fact that I can go in and I can
Speaker 4: genuinely be myself, have friends, and if I have to
Speaker 4: do work, I'll do the work. I just don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to do the alliance. I still
Speaker 4: don't I feel awkward, do you, Alan.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just tell you what my mama told me
Speaker 1: as a kid in case it's helpful. Well, one is
Speaker 1: clean up your room. That never worked for me. But
Speaker 1: the other thing is you have not because you asked not.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't even have to be in a full
Speaker 1: fledged alliance. Like look at the Rachel and Jordan thing. Right,
Speaker 1: even you said as someone in the house and as
Speaker 1: if you were, it never came across that they had
Speaker 1: this full fledged alliance per se, right, like she was
Speaker 1: a banana toa or whatever. But but they clearly she
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you want to do this handshake? And
Speaker 1: so then that was enough of a point. You know what,
Speaker 1: I mean like to call on in a time, So
Speaker 1: just putting it out there, putting in your back pocket.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one little extra stip.
Speaker 1: And you never know, someone across the table could be
Speaker 1: thinking exactly like you, but also nervous to ask, and
Speaker 1: then what like you and Corey, you guys, finally you
Speaker 1: finally were like, look, why don't why don't we just
Speaker 1: all right? And then there you go.
Speaker 4: So you know, I actually think I feel more comfortable
Speaker 4: going into challenges, and I think Devin's I don't know
Speaker 4: if Devin exactly plays it or maybe he kind of
Speaker 4: plays his way, and I think Johnny kind of plays
Speaker 4: Johnny never promised is anything to anybody. Yeah, I've never
Speaker 4: actually seen him promise anything to anybody, but people just
Speaker 4: feel like they're working with him or that he'll protect him.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, his only true one is Leroy right.
Speaker 1: Well, and the Banana's Angels this season, because he really
Speaker 1: rode for them, it seemed, and then even told them
Speaker 1: at a certain point, look, if you need to do
Speaker 1: things for your own game that are against me at
Speaker 1: this point, do it, which was whether you like or not,
Speaker 1: it was an admirable you know, acknowledgment.
Speaker 4: I think I'm more of like an alliance by circumstance.
Speaker 4: I like to go challenge by challenge because if it's
Speaker 4: a weird child, because every challenge is different, yep, and
Speaker 4: you never know you know who's going to be on top,
Speaker 4: what are the teams who's going to be winning? Like,
Speaker 4: so you need to kind of know what the game
Speaker 4: is and have a sense of things. And I kind
Speaker 4: of like to go case by case, like, oh, oh
Speaker 4: you saved me here, Oh I'm going to make sure
Speaker 4: I pay that forward on the next one. And you know,
Speaker 4: I like to kind of play as I go, which
Speaker 4: probably isn't This is not.
Speaker 1: Smart at all, He's smart. I think it's super smart.
Speaker 1: Be nimble because Josh never gives room, and then he's true.
Speaker 1: We love Josh, but Josh the whole team, including production
Speaker 1: and the bus driver an alliance at a point. But
Speaker 1: I love you, Josh, I love you. Is smart.
Speaker 4: I feel bad for Michelle. Michelle really lost it with
Speaker 4: Josh because if he won, he was gonna make Michelle
Speaker 4: a target and save Jenny over. He was gonna save
Speaker 4: Jenny over Michelle, and I thought him and Michelle were
Speaker 4: closer than that, So that one kind of blew me away.
Speaker 3: Devin fiction.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, he plays with his emotions. He plays with
Speaker 4: his emotions.
Speaker 1: I think all seventy of them he does.
Speaker 3: Somebody with fifty pairs of emotions myself.
Speaker 4: Yes, I love how you're riding.
Speaker 1: I love the hook she does and I get I
Speaker 1: love I love Josh. I sided I his gameplay sometimes,
Speaker 1: but I love it. That's true.
Speaker 4: He's a lovable Guy's come a long way. He's actually
Speaker 4: worked his ass off, like like his I already said,
Speaker 4: like you could see a change in his body and
Speaker 4: his attitude. He did pretty well. I just think, yeah,
Speaker 4: his Achilles, He'll really is. I think he just wears
Speaker 4: his heart on his sleeve. He wants, you know, to'll
Speaker 4: just love everybody, and I think that's that's a hard
Speaker 4: thing to do because you are going to have to
Speaker 4: pick it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the end, it's going to be smaller numbers,
Speaker 1: so like that everybody can go there. Speaking of that,
Speaker 1: so unfortunately, I'd say this is one of the most
Speaker 1: I mean, I literally was tearing up by the end
Speaker 1: of this episode because it just again it was so
Speaker 1: beautiful to watch, and it was hard to root on
Speaker 1: either side because as a viewer I love toy, but
Speaker 1: I also love you and this season watching you grow
Speaker 1: like I wanted you all there. You know you're headed home.
Speaker 1: The good news is you don't have to sleep on
Speaker 1: that nasty s boat.
Speaker 3: Listen, I don't think.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you I want I want by going home.
Speaker 5: Yes, this is any indication of if this is home
Speaker 5: base for the final, I see nothing but okay, Yes,
Speaker 5: this is gonna be like the swimming Olympics final with
Speaker 5: the mass girl girl.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you I am so absolutely one thousand percent.
Speaker 4: I have never been more thrilled.
Speaker 1: I gave it my all.
Speaker 4: I didn't give up, so I always have that I
Speaker 4: will never ever quit, no matter what is thrown in
Speaker 4: front of me. But I am telling you I won
Speaker 4: by not going to this damn final.
Speaker 1: I can tell you absolutely missed out on a nightmare. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm so okay with Who are you rooting for now?
Speaker 1: Though that you know we've come down to our final eight.
Speaker 4: I'm rooting out of that crew. Jordan, you know, is
Speaker 4: the gohast, the front runner, but I'm I'm rooting for Derek.
Speaker 4: I think he's an underdog, so I'm gonna be for
Speaker 4: Derek the underdog he was, we were we were buddies
Speaker 4: all season, and I'm really proud of him for making
Speaker 4: it this far. And so I'm rooting for Derek, for
Speaker 4: the guys, and for the women. I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 4: fucking I'm rooting for all of Every one of those
Speaker 4: women are a champion. Jenny is a champion, Rachel is
Speaker 4: a champion, Toy is a champion. Michelle has one survivor.
Speaker 4: If you want to roote for the underdog, the fact
Speaker 4: that Michelle has literally come in the bottom or given
Speaker 4: the penalties or had to go into three eliminations, how
Speaker 4: to send in basically your whole alliance. Like, Michelle has
Speaker 4: had the hardest climb to get to where she is.
Speaker 4: She's ever a four. She's kind of I mean, Jenny
Speaker 4: is an absolute bee, she's ever a four. But like,
Speaker 4: you know, if you're just looking at the lineup, you're like,
Speaker 4: oh shit, Michelle's in for it, right. So, like, if
Speaker 4: you didn't want for an underdog, I'd say Michelle. But
Speaker 4: I'm rooting for all of them because I think they're
Speaker 4: all incredible women. They've all earned their spot. They're the
Speaker 4: baddest of the baddest pop women. You know that you
Speaker 4: could ever ask for to see in a final. I'll
Speaker 4: be honest, like all incredible as.
Speaker 1: Do you know that you are also included, very much so.
Speaker 4: But I'm fine.
Speaker 1: You're not.
Speaker 2: You're in a comfy bed, hopefully the wind Rickeys boat.
Speaker 3: I won.
Speaker 4: I won, Guys, I am so good watching this final
Speaker 4: rather than being in it. This looks like my worst
Speaker 4: if this was going to be a final through a castle,
Speaker 4: if it was a final, maybe even through a desert.
Speaker 4: But the fact that this is, this looks like literally
Speaker 4: nothing but water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks so gross. Also, can we just shout
Speaker 1: up the line you said earlier? You're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: do well with castles, yes, queens Love, You're like, I
Speaker 1: see a castle, like you know, I'm all over this.
Speaker 1: I do well with castles. So great, And again, it's
Speaker 1: been wonderful watching your journey just throughout the challenge as
Speaker 1: a whole, certainly on this season, and we appreciate and
Speaker 1: we recognize the work that you put in and you
Speaker 1: can't wait to see that continue. For people who want
Speaker 1: to continue your journey and follow you, or you know
Speaker 1: who are newly minted car Maria stands, Where can they
Speaker 1: find you?
Speaker 4: On social TikTok and Instagram. Miss Kara Maria m I
Speaker 4: s s car Maria, Well, that's real.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: Thank you for coming to hang with us on a podcast.
Speaker 1: Care you come.
Speaker 3: Such a long way.
Speaker 2: I am glad that you're bad girl. We have come
Speaker 2: such a long way, and I am just I'm excited
Speaker 2: to watch more of you on the show. I am
Speaker 2: excited to root.
Speaker 4: For you, and I'm thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: You played the mess out of this game this season.
Speaker 3: I'm very, very proud of you.
Speaker 2: Thank you such a good interview. I'm so glad Para
Speaker 2: came and had this talk with us and, you know,
Speaker 2: just kind of tell us how she was going through
Speaker 2: the scenes.
Speaker 3: And I'm so proud of her.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad that she has peeled back her layers
Speaker 2: and she's back and she's playing her game now. If
Speaker 2: the people want to find out where and how you
Speaker 2: peel back your layers on the socials of the media
Speaker 2: is where can they find you?
Speaker 1: For those who want to find me and how I
Speaker 1: play my game on the socials, you can always visit
Speaker 1: me at Devin Timone. That's seventh wife Simone with and
Speaker 1: I on Instagram or tickty talk or snap chisel or
Speaker 1: threads or my website devinsimone dot com. What about you
Speaker 1: da Day? Where can they find you?
Speaker 2: And they can find me on the socials of the
Speaker 2: media's at Davon, Diane Underscore and you can find me here.
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