Speaker 1: I heard a little birdie, not so little big birdie
Speaker 1: by the name of Love Bubbary Dudley, and he was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you guys are gonna do another loop
Speaker 1: around the world or something as a tag team.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, we talked about it.
Speaker 3: You know, of course, you know that we're gonna give
Speaker 3: give you what the greatest higgs.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't have to do anything.
Speaker 3: To try to reinvent the wheel or anything like that,
Speaker 3: where you know, we go back.
Speaker 2: We're gonna just.
Speaker 3: Give the fans exactly what they like and what they missed,
Speaker 3: so we're gonna hit the greatest hits.
Speaker 2: It's kind like Kiss, the rock group Kiss. You know
Speaker 2: when they when they were they had to make up
Speaker 2: on and.
Speaker 3: Doing all the old songs, rock and roll all night,
Speaker 3: you know, all of those good hits.
Speaker 2: People loved them. The minute they took.
Speaker 3: That makeup off, it was over, tiff was over, and
Speaker 3: you know, and then they started coming up with new songs,
Speaker 3: and some of them were good, but they weren't. They
Speaker 3: weren't the classics. They weren't what Kiss was known for.
Speaker 3: The minute Kiss put the makeup on and went back
Speaker 3: on tour and started doing those you know, those classics.
Speaker 3: It was like it was like a resurge in the
Speaker 3: arm for kiss, you know, and they just started all
Speaker 3: over again.
Speaker 2: So now that's what me and Bubba was saying. You know,
Speaker 2: we don't have.
Speaker 3: To go out there and try to, you know, reinvent
Speaker 3: the wheel on tag team wrestling or try to have
Speaker 3: five star matches.
Speaker 2: Let's just go out there and have fun and hit
Speaker 2: the greatest hits.
Speaker 1: Nostalgia. Nostalgia, that's what people want.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you could give it to him. Can we
Speaker 1: see the what's up up?
Speaker 3: Well, maybe we'll do the what's up when Bubba's up
Speaker 3: on that top rop doing so reverse it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just holding legs open.
Speaker 2: Just holding them.
Speaker 1: Hey, that's a good position to be infirmn hold the
Speaker 1: woman's legs open or guy, if you're into that, that's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Three D maybe three.
Speaker 1: D, which I told him the other day. I would
Speaker 1: have taken that from you. Guys, no problem. It never happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, never happened. You got away. You were protected.
Speaker 1: They got away.
Speaker 3: You were protected by three of the toughest men in
Speaker 3: Shane Douglas, Bam Bam Bigelow and Chris.
Speaker 2: Can you know so the Dudleys couldn't touch at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I also feel like if you came into
Speaker 1: the company earlier than you did, you would have been
Speaker 1: feuding with the pit Bulls, and I would have taken
Speaker 1: that from you.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean again, that would have been the Dudleys.
Speaker 3: We did actually work together. My first matchup I think
Speaker 3: a c W arena. It was me and Bubba versus
Speaker 3: the pit Bulls was with them. Yep, you were with them,
Speaker 3: and you beat the hell out of uh oh and
Speaker 3: dancing with you had these seven inch I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: they were seven inch.
Speaker 2: And we're standing.
Speaker 3: On freaking uh dancing with Dudley's freaking going back and forth,
Speaker 3: up and down, trying to keep them down to you
Speaker 3: were trying to beat them up. I remember looking at that,
Speaker 3: I go, this is not wrestling.
Speaker 2: I go, what the hell am I doing here?
Speaker 1: Hey, That's what I was told to do, you know?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know, And I remember you you basically,
Speaker 3: I see I turned around and see that, and then
Speaker 3: I start going after you, like walking towards you. It
Speaker 3: was like Jason going after the girl that he wants
Speaker 3: to kill.
Speaker 2: Something that slow, you know, yes to.
Speaker 3: The girl and we were doing that around the ring
Speaker 3: until I believe Anthony jumped down and hit me in
Speaker 3: the back of the head and the back of the ring.
Speaker 3: And then that was the night that you got a
Speaker 3: Paler bomb, was it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So later we did the four Corners match. I suppose yep.
Speaker 1: So it's funny because we we didn't work together too much,
Speaker 1: but there's one match and when I had Bubba on
Speaker 1: and I wish I could we could pull it up
Speaker 1: to show you it because it's hilarious. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I didn't have anybody to work with that evening,
Speaker 1: but Paul made me come out when the Dudleys were
Speaker 1: in the ring. It was I think, I guess it
Speaker 1: was a house show. It was never for TV. And
Speaker 1: I they make me come out in this big jacket, right,
Speaker 1: and I have you know, I've addressed someone underneath it
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I try to entice you and I
Speaker 1: take the jacket off and you do the wa wouza
Speaker 1: with the eyes.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was such gaga. It was ridiculous. I end up
Speaker 1: beating up all of you and then Spike comes out
Speaker 1: and does like some kind of death like the death drop.
Speaker 1: Or something the acid drop. That's right. But I gave
Speaker 1: like I gave Bubba Ddp's diamond cutter, I did something
Speaker 1: to you. I gave Lou a regular deity to I mean,
Speaker 1: it was ridiculous. I beat up your whole clan.
Speaker 2: There was no point.
Speaker 1: Podcast well friends in real life. But I look back
Speaker 1: and I say to myself, my god, here i am
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventeen pounds soaking way. I got all
Speaker 1: these big men around me, and I'm beating the shit
Speaker 1: out of everybody. It is so not believable. But it
Speaker 1: was just like a little haha Gaga spot to fill.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The great thing about stuff like that is when you
Speaker 3: look back at it, Yes, realistically, a woman in your
Speaker 3: side should not have been able to take out three
Speaker 3: guys outsides. But back then ECW did things like that,
Speaker 3: and even though it didn't make sense, when you look
Speaker 3: at it, it was very entertaining.
Speaker 2: It was how we did it right and how we
Speaker 2: pulled it off.
Speaker 3: We got the reaction, as opposed to some people that
Speaker 3: do things that don't make sense and then there's no reaction.
Speaker 3: We put a lot of entertainment and stuff like that
Speaker 3: to even though people knew that it could never happen.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a possibility it can because ecw' is telling
Speaker 3: that story.
Speaker 2: And that was just what we did.
Speaker 3: When you look at some of the matches that we did,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I cringe.
Speaker 1: What's the worst match that you had to do that
Speaker 1: you look back, Can you say to myself, good lord,
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous?
Speaker 5: E c W.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna say. I mean, we
Speaker 3: had great matches, but and I'll get to that question.
Speaker 3: What I was saying was it was like we're sitting
Speaker 3: up there and when you look at some of the
Speaker 3: things that we're doing, stuff in front of the referee,
Speaker 3: you know, the referees watching and it's not being a
Speaker 3: DQ were outside for like five twenty minutes on the
Speaker 3: outside of the ring.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, what the hell were we think it?
Speaker 3: But because we made it so entertaining and because we
Speaker 3: captivated an audience the way we did, people suspended that
Speaker 3: and just didn't even think about the rules or what
Speaker 3: didn't make sense.
Speaker 2: We made them believe it at that point.
Speaker 1: Because the other people were following the rules, The other
Speaker 1: companies were cookie cutter following the rules, and we took
Speaker 1: it outside the box and did things differently.
Speaker 3: That's why we were That's why we were the Nevada
Speaker 3: Nevada Vana Nevana. We were the Nevana of pro wrestling.
Speaker 3: There's no different than Nirvana, Havana King. When you know
Speaker 3: you have Martley Crue, Metallica, you know, all these hair
Speaker 3: bands that are just killing it in the eighties, and
Speaker 3: it didn't seem like anybody was going to take them down.
Speaker 3: Then Navana came in and just kicked down the door
Speaker 3: and said, Nope, we're breaking the rules. We're gonna be sad,
Speaker 3: pissed off. We're going to tell you how we feel.
Speaker 3: I mean, because you know when you when you look
Speaker 3: at that type of music, you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I just I want to murder myself. I'm so sad,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's like, oh my god, it's that
Speaker 3: Seattle feel that they you know, that you always hear about.
Speaker 3: But you know, it was one of those things where
Speaker 3: when Havana did that, it just opened.
Speaker 2: Up a whole new door for music. And it was
Speaker 2: what we did in me c W.
Speaker 3: We kicked the door down and did the opposite of
Speaker 3: what should have been done.
Speaker 2: But when we did it, we did it good.
Speaker 1: And did it very entertaining and fun.
Speaker 2: YEP, I forgot what the other question was.
Speaker 1: When you look back at your career, it doesn't even
Speaker 1: have to be in ECW, just matches that you've been
Speaker 1: a part of you. You were saying, like, you look
Speaker 1: back sometimes and you say, oh my god, so cringe.
Speaker 1: I cringe when I think of that the worst, the
Speaker 1: worst thing or the worst angle that you've been a
Speaker 1: part of that you look back in your because there's
Speaker 1: things that I've done or clothes that I've worn that
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed. I'm like, what was I thinking? Like where
Speaker 1: did this come from? Like this was such a bad choice,
Speaker 1: anything that you've ever done that you look back and
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: So yeah, TNA, TNA Match, Paid per View, The fish Market,
Speaker 3: Street Fight, the fish Market. Yeah yeah, they had fish line,
Speaker 3: they had fish on ice. Oh and nothing to that.
Speaker 3: This has nothing to do with Curry Man, who was
Speaker 3: Christopher Daniels and Shock Boy. Loved those guys working with them.
Speaker 3: But I hated this. I don't like fish. I don't
Speaker 3: eat fish. I hate the smell of fish, and it's
Speaker 3: real fish and I it's like, you're a fish market
Speaker 3: and of course, you know, people picking fish up and
Speaker 3: throwing it and hitting people with it. I remember looking
Speaker 3: at curry Man, I said, listen, do not hit me.
Speaker 3: Would a guy with a fish?
Speaker 2: I said, you do? It becomes real. Do not hit me.
Speaker 2: Do not hit me at all with.
Speaker 1: What the gimmick? Like, what's the point it was? Vince
Speaker 1: russo Enough said, I have never like, does that make
Speaker 1: sense to go to?
Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't it. You had it was a regular match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they go outside and take the fish and hit
Speaker 3: each other as a weapon. Now that was where the
Speaker 3: rules were, like, Oh it was. It's like a street fight.
Speaker 3: There are no rules in a street fight. You can
Speaker 3: have a regular match, but you can use weapons.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I would throw up.
Speaker 2: I threw out my wrestling gear. I threw it out.
Speaker 2: It was that bad.
Speaker 1: What if somebody just picked up a fish and just
Speaker 1: smacked you across the face.
Speaker 3: Well, curry and curry Man Daniels a great but shock
Speaker 3: Boy forgot that.
Speaker 2: I said that to him. He got caught up in
Speaker 2: a moment and he took the fish. Oh he hit me.
Speaker 3: As soon as he hit me, I went, oh potato,
Speaker 3: Uh god, damn no, goddamn fish.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm gonna have to look that match
Speaker 1: up because I had never I've never even heard.
Speaker 2: Of that one. It was good.
Speaker 3: I hated that match to this day. I said it
Speaker 3: was the worst match because again I never liked it.
Speaker 3: And I remember telling I remember saying something to Russo.
Speaker 3: I said, do we have to do this match?
Speaker 2: Oh? Bro, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good. Bro,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. I'm telling me, people gonna love it. Bro,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. And I'm like, you feel a
Speaker 2: ship he goes, No, Bubba's he goes bubbas he goes Bubba's. Uh,
Speaker 2: Bubba's cool with it. I looked at Bubba, he goes.
Speaker 1: Bubba's face.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, Russo, you're lying. I was like, this
Speaker 3: is a god awful match.
Speaker 1: This How how many like big fish were there?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Did they have boxes of fish around the ring?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: You ever go you ever go to Chinatown or the
Speaker 3: fish market? It was a fish market, you know, like
Speaker 3: the little trade. The big trays that they had they
Speaker 3: filled up with ice and then they put the fish
Speaker 3: on top.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it was just like one one.
Speaker 3: They had like a whole line of it. They had yeah,
Speaker 3: and they had fish and all that on there.
Speaker 2: It was. It was bad. The smell was horrible.
Speaker 1: The fans, like, I mean, did not stars ship Nelson.
Speaker 3: He's never given me five stars, and any of the
Speaker 3: matches he gives.
Speaker 1: Me negative stars.
Speaker 3: Not even in the freaking TLC match. I think we
Speaker 3: got like two.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's terrible.
Speaker 3: People still talk about those matches today, thirty something years
Speaker 3: awesome still, But so, I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 3: his problem was, but you know, hey, it is what
Speaker 3: it is, his own. What Well, you know, you two
Speaker 3: guys may see a wrestling match and love it and
Speaker 3: I may hate it, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna,
Speaker 3: you know, out of one to ten stars, I'm gonna go, Okay,
Speaker 3: I get to two. It may get a two for me,
Speaker 3: but not everybody else. Should you know, take it as
Speaker 3: you know, you know, everybody else is gonna look.
Speaker 2: At it as the two match. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just feel like I feel like back then E
Speaker 1: CW never got like not that it means anything but
Speaker 1: the rating system from him, but I feel like none
Speaker 1: of our guys got a lot of stars for them.
Speaker 2: Well, I know a lot of our guys didn't like him.
Speaker 2: It was pissed off at him.
Speaker 3: But I also know that you're right, none of us
Speaker 3: got any of those I will remember a lot of
Speaker 3: people thought.
Speaker 2: E CW was barbaric, right, They didn't like.
Speaker 3: ECW, even some of the veterans in w CW or
Speaker 3: w w W E I'm gonna say that WWF. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, basically did not know or understand what we
Speaker 3: were doing.
Speaker 2: And they would say, and a lot of them would say, what.
Speaker 3: We were doing was garbage and this and that until
Speaker 3: the fans started catching on and watching and then showing
Speaker 3: their love and support, and you couldn't go to an
Speaker 3: arena that wasn't an e c W show, but it
Speaker 3: was like a w c W or WWE show where
Speaker 3: the fans would hijack the show and start channeling e
Speaker 3: c W.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: You know, it was then that people's eyes started to
Speaker 3: wake up. So, you know, Nelson might not have believed
Speaker 3: in what we were doing, but that's fine. But again,
Speaker 3: what is it thirty forty years ago?
Speaker 2: East thirty?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not quite close to it.
Speaker 2: But people still talk about it.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my.
Speaker 1: Can we just can I just take this in right now?
Speaker 1: We're so the fish. We're for those listening, Uh, we're
Speaker 1: watching the Fish Market Street Fight right now from two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight TNA Destination X. So Bub's going for
Speaker 1: a fish for shark Boys. Shark Boy's going for a
Speaker 1: net to let y'all know. Oh, Bubba's moving to the fish. Okay, Oh,
Speaker 1: shark Boy's got him in the net. Okay, Oh it's Curryman.
Speaker 1: Oh I saw the Oh okay, I'm sorry. I thought
Speaker 1: that was a fin on his head. Okay, so that's
Speaker 1: Christopher Daniels. Oh, yeah, now I see his eyes. Okay, good,
Speaker 1: and yeah he's he's uh oh he's dancing. Look at that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Curry Man. I don't remember this gimmick ta.
Speaker 2: Dropping to the fish.
Speaker 1: I would die roa g gross gross. That is disgusting.
Speaker 1: Far as far away could be away from.
Speaker 2: Them, I don't think I could.
Speaker 1: You imagine you're so excited for a pay per view.
Speaker 1: You're a big TNA fan. You can't wait to see
Speaker 1: the Dudleys. Right, you buy a ticket, you're in the
Speaker 1: front row, you think you got good seats, and then
Speaker 1: they put a box of fish next to you, and
Speaker 1: you gotta smell it for like twenty minutes you got,
Speaker 1: which would linger probably for the next two hours because
Speaker 1: it stinks.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it sounds like it sounds like
Speaker 2: some of my earlier dates.
Speaker 1: But enough to travel Lodge. I want to get back
Speaker 1: to something that you said. You were saying that like
Speaker 1: the Vets looked at us as like the Blood and
Speaker 1: Guts company and too much and blah blah blah. I
Speaker 1: remember we did a house show one night, and uh
Speaker 1: we it was like a mixed tag. We did right,
Speaker 1: and we were doing all these like cool spots and
Speaker 1: this and that, and I mean we probably had like
Speaker 1: maybe five hundred to one thousand people in the building.
Speaker 1: It was the house show. Terry Taylor was there just visiting,
Speaker 1: and we come through the curtain and he stops us
Speaker 1: and he looks at all of us and he says,
Speaker 1: why'd you work so hard? I'll never forget this. It
Speaker 1: blew my mind. And I said, excuse me, and he goes,
Speaker 1: why'd you just work so hard out there? It's a
Speaker 1: house show. I couldn't wrap my head around that reasoning.
Speaker 1: And I said, point blank, I said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I said, if we drew five hundred tonight. Maybe they'll
Speaker 1: tell a friend and maybe next time we come, we'll
Speaker 1: have a thousand people because we work hard. That's what
Speaker 1: we do here. And he goes, well, he goes when
Speaker 1: we do the loop, we just do the same match
Speaker 1: in every city and it's easy and we save our
Speaker 1: energy for TV. See now you're laughing. I you know,
Speaker 1: And I wasn't a VET at this time. I'm still
Speaker 1: kind of green, so I didn't want to argue with
Speaker 1: the guy, but I'm thinking, that kind of mentality is shit.
Speaker 1: Why would you live that way?
Speaker 2: We did something.
Speaker 3: I didn't learn about that in terms of doing stuff
Speaker 3: like that until I got to WWE, right, because a
Speaker 3: lot of the Vets from the eighties were still there.
Speaker 2: Late eighties, that.
Speaker 3: Is, and you know they had a lot of them
Speaker 3: had the same mentality because it was the old.
Speaker 2: School way of thinking. So the new.
Speaker 3: School way of thinking, like you were describing how you
Speaker 3: felt about it, hadn't really registered yet. It was just that,
Speaker 3: you know, let's get out, let's get through this match
Speaker 3: and get to the next town, and you know, get
Speaker 3: the TV with no injuries. And that's just the way
Speaker 3: it was. Yeah, But as as a couple, you know,
Speaker 3: sometime went on, you know some of the vets. You know,
Speaker 3: we would do somewhat similar the same match, but we
Speaker 3: would change a little bit up right, you know, to
Speaker 3: make it a little bit different because you never know
Speaker 3: who drove, you know, three four hundred miles to the
Speaker 3: next town, and you know you don't want them predicting
Speaker 3: what we had already done in the town the night before.
Speaker 3: So you know, it was always we changed it up
Speaker 3: a little bit, not too.
Speaker 2: Much, just a little bit.
Speaker 1: But that's and that's fine because we we would do
Speaker 1: like the same thing. We changed some spots here and there.
Speaker 1: But to say, why did you work so hard? To me,
Speaker 1: that's the first thing that came out of his mouth
Speaker 1: when we came in the back. Why'd you work so
Speaker 1: hard out there? And I'm thinking to myself, why wouldn't
Speaker 1: we work hard like they bought a ticket, just like
Speaker 1: you would buy a ticket if it was a pay
Speaker 1: per viewer or a TV taping.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Terry Taylor would actually agree with
Speaker 3: that method now, being that he is one of the
Speaker 3: producers and n XT and I say that because you know,
Speaker 3: you got to teach these kids. We have to work, work,
Speaker 3: hard for what they do, not just to get the TV.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure Terry Taylor is being a producer on
Speaker 3: the live events and this and that. I don't think
Speaker 3: he has that same mentality anymore, even though he's not wrestling.
Speaker 3: But again, I understand what he meant by that because
Speaker 3: that was the way they did things back then.
Speaker 2: Didn't they necessarily make it right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm sorry, necessarily make it wrong, but didn't
Speaker 3: necessarily make it right either. But that was just the
Speaker 3: way they were able to save their bodies, you know,
Speaker 3: because remember back then, being on the road for fifty
Speaker 3: days straight or forty to fifty days.
Speaker 2: Straight was normal.
Speaker 3: So they were home maybe three to four days, maybe
Speaker 3: a week if they were lucky, So you know, they
Speaker 3: were constantly traveling in out of cars, some airplanes and
Speaker 3: things like that, so they were really trying to conserve
Speaker 3: their body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not really, But I definitely understand both ways.
Speaker 3: Understand Terry's logic and thinking of it, and I definitely
Speaker 3: understand your way of lodge and thinking of.
Speaker 1: It, because that's what we did fifty five years ago
Speaker 1: when we were just starting out. We've been here for
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty seven years.
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