1 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: I heard a little birdie, not so little big birdie 2 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: by the name of Love Bubbary Dudley, and he was saying, 3 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you guys are gonna do another loop 4 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: around the world or something as a tag team. 5 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, we talked about it. 6 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: You know, of course, you know that we're gonna give 7 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: give you what the greatest higgs. 8 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: You know, we don't have to do anything. 9 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: To try to reinvent the wheel or anything like that, 10 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: where you know, we go back. 11 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 2: We're gonna just. 12 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: Give the fans exactly what they like and what they missed, 13 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: so we're gonna hit the greatest hits. 14 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: It's kind like Kiss, the rock group Kiss. You know 15 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: when they when they were they had to make up 16 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: on and. 17 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: Doing all the old songs, rock and roll all night, 18 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 3: you know, all of those good hits. 19 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: People loved them. The minute they took. 20 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: That makeup off, it was over, tiff was over, and 21 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 3: you know, and then they started coming up with new songs, 22 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 3: and some of them were good, but they weren't. They 23 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 3: weren't the classics. They weren't what Kiss was known for. 24 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 3: The minute Kiss put the makeup on and went back 25 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 3: on tour and started doing those you know, those classics. 26 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: It was like it was like a resurge in the 27 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 3: arm for kiss, you know, and they just started all 28 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: over again. 29 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: So now that's what me and Bubba was saying. You know, 30 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: we don't have. 31 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: To go out there and try to, you know, reinvent 32 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: the wheel on tag team wrestling or try to have 33 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: five star matches. 34 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: Let's just go out there and have fun and hit 35 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: the greatest hits. 36 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: Nostalgia. Nostalgia, that's what people want. 37 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. 38 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you could give it to him. Can we 39 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: see the what's up up? 40 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 3: Well, maybe we'll do the what's up when Bubba's up 41 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 3: on that top rop doing so reverse it. 42 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just holding legs open. 43 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: Just holding them. 44 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: Hey, that's a good position to be infirmn hold the 45 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: woman's legs open or guy, if you're into that, that's fine. 46 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Three D maybe three. 47 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: D, which I told him the other day. I would 48 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: have taken that from you. Guys, no problem. It never happened. 49 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, never happened. You got away. You were protected. 50 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: They got away. 51 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: You were protected by three of the toughest men in 52 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: Shane Douglas, Bam Bam Bigelow and Chris. 53 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: Can you know so the Dudleys couldn't touch at that point. 54 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I also feel like if you came into 55 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: the company earlier than you did, you would have been 56 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: feuding with the pit Bulls, and I would have taken 57 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: that from you. 58 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 3: Well, I mean again, that would have been the Dudleys. 59 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 3: We did actually work together. My first matchup I think 60 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: a c W arena. It was me and Bubba versus 61 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: the pit Bulls was with them. Yep, you were with them, 62 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: and you beat the hell out of uh oh and 63 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: dancing with you had these seven inch I'm gonna say 64 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: they were seven inch. 65 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: And we're standing. 66 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: On freaking uh dancing with Dudley's freaking going back and forth, 67 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: up and down, trying to keep them down to you 68 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: were trying to beat them up. I remember looking at that, 69 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 3: I go, this is not wrestling. 70 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: I go, what the hell am I doing here? 71 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: Hey, That's what I was told to do, you know? 72 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know, And I remember you you basically, 73 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: I see I turned around and see that, and then 74 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: I start going after you, like walking towards you. It 75 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: was like Jason going after the girl that he wants 76 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: to kill. 77 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 2: Something that slow, you know, yes to. 78 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: The girl and we were doing that around the ring 79 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 3: until I believe Anthony jumped down and hit me in 80 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: the back of the head and the back of the ring. 81 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: And then that was the night that you got a 82 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: Paler bomb, was it? Yeah? 83 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: So later we did the four Corners match. I suppose yep. 84 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: So it's funny because we we didn't work together too much, 85 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: but there's one match and when I had Bubba on 86 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: and I wish I could we could pull it up 87 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: to show you it because it's hilarious. I don't know 88 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: if I didn't have anybody to work with that evening, 89 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: but Paul made me come out when the Dudleys were 90 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: in the ring. It was I think, I guess it 91 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: was a house show. It was never for TV. And 92 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: I they make me come out in this big jacket, right, 93 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: and I have you know, I've addressed someone underneath it 94 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: or whatever, and I try to entice you and I 95 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: take the jacket off and you do the wa wouza 96 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: with the eyes. 97 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: It was. 98 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: It was such gaga. It was ridiculous. I end up 99 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: beating up all of you and then Spike comes out 100 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: and does like some kind of death like the death drop. 101 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: Or something the acid drop. That's right. But I gave 102 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: like I gave Bubba Ddp's diamond cutter, I did something 103 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: to you. I gave Lou a regular deity to I mean, 104 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: it was ridiculous. I beat up your whole clan. 105 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: There was no point. 106 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: Podcast well friends in real life. But I look back 107 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: and I say to myself, my god, here i am 108 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: one hundred and seventeen pounds soaking way. I got all 109 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: these big men around me, and I'm beating the shit 110 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: out of everybody. It is so not believable. But it 111 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: was just like a little haha Gaga spot to fill. 112 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 113 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 3: The great thing about stuff like that is when you 114 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: look back at it, Yes, realistically, a woman in your 115 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: side should not have been able to take out three 116 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: guys outsides. But back then ECW did things like that, 117 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 3: and even though it didn't make sense, when you look 118 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 3: at it, it was very entertaining. 119 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: It was how we did it right and how we 120 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: pulled it off. 121 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 3: We got the reaction, as opposed to some people that 122 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 3: do things that don't make sense and then there's no reaction. 123 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 3: We put a lot of entertainment and stuff like that 124 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 3: to even though people knew that it could never happen. 125 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 3: Maybe there's a possibility it can because ecw' is telling 126 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 3: that story. 127 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: And that was just what we did. 128 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: When you look at some of the matches that we did, 129 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: oh my god, I cringe. 130 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: What's the worst match that you had to do that 131 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: you look back, Can you say to myself, good lord, 132 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: this is ridiculous? 133 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 5: E c W. 134 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna say. I mean, we 135 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: had great matches, but and I'll get to that question. 136 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: What I was saying was it was like we're sitting 137 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: up there and when you look at some of the 138 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: things that we're doing, stuff in front of the referee, 139 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: you know, the referees watching and it's not being a 140 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 3: DQ were outside for like five twenty minutes on the 141 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 3: outside of the ring. 142 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: You know, it's like, what the hell were we think it? 143 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: But because we made it so entertaining and because we 144 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: captivated an audience the way we did, people suspended that 145 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 3: and just didn't even think about the rules or what 146 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 3: didn't make sense. 147 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: We made them believe it at that point. 148 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: Because the other people were following the rules, The other 149 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: companies were cookie cutter following the rules, and we took 150 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: it outside the box and did things differently. 151 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: That's why we were That's why we were the Nevada 152 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 3: Nevada Vana Nevana. We were the Nevana of pro wrestling. 153 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: There's no different than Nirvana, Havana King. When you know 154 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 3: you have Martley Crue, Metallica, you know, all these hair 155 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: bands that are just killing it in the eighties, and 156 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: it didn't seem like anybody was going to take them down. 157 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: Then Navana came in and just kicked down the door 158 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: and said, Nope, we're breaking the rules. We're gonna be sad, 159 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: pissed off. We're going to tell you how we feel. 160 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: I mean, because you know when you when you look 161 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 3: at that type of music, you're like, oh my god, 162 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: I just I want to murder myself. I'm so sad, 163 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: you know, and it's like, oh my god, it's that 164 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 3: Seattle feel that they you know, that you always hear about. 165 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: But you know, it was one of those things where 166 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 3: when Havana did that, it just opened. 167 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: Up a whole new door for music. And it was 168 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 2: what we did in me c W. 169 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: We kicked the door down and did the opposite of 170 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 3: what should have been done. 171 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 2: But when we did it, we did it good. 172 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: And did it very entertaining and fun. 173 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: YEP, I forgot what the other question was. 174 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: When you look back at your career, it doesn't even 175 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: have to be in ECW, just matches that you've been 176 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: a part of you. You were saying, like, you look 177 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: back sometimes and you say, oh my god, so cringe. 178 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: I cringe when I think of that the worst, the 179 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: worst thing or the worst angle that you've been a 180 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: part of that you look back in your because there's 181 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: things that I've done or clothes that I've worn that 182 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed. I'm like, what was I thinking? Like where 183 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: did this come from? Like this was such a bad choice, 184 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: anything that you've ever done that you look back and 185 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: you're just like, oh my god. 186 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 3: So yeah, TNA, TNA Match, Paid per View, The fish Market, 187 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: Street Fight, the fish Market. Yeah yeah, they had fish line, 188 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 3: they had fish on ice. Oh and nothing to that. 189 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: This has nothing to do with Curry Man, who was 190 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 3: Christopher Daniels and Shock Boy. Loved those guys working with them. 191 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: But I hated this. I don't like fish. I don't 192 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 3: eat fish. I hate the smell of fish, and it's 193 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 3: real fish and I it's like, you're a fish market 194 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: and of course, you know, people picking fish up and 195 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 3: throwing it and hitting people with it. I remember looking 196 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: at curry Man, I said, listen, do not hit me. 197 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 3: Would a guy with a fish? 198 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: I said, you do? It becomes real. Do not hit me. 199 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 2: Do not hit me at all with. 200 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: What the gimmick? Like, what's the point it was? Vince 201 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: russo Enough said, I have never like, does that make 202 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: sense to go to? 203 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't it. You had it was a regular match. 204 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, they go outside and take the fish and hit 205 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: each other as a weapon. Now that was where the 206 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: rules were, like, Oh it was. It's like a street fight. 207 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 3: There are no rules in a street fight. You can 208 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: have a regular match, but you can use weapons. 209 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: You know. 210 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: I would throw up. 211 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: I threw out my wrestling gear. I threw it out. 212 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: It was that bad. 213 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: What if somebody just picked up a fish and just 214 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: smacked you across the face. 215 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 3: Well, curry and curry Man Daniels a great but shock 216 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 3: Boy forgot that. 217 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: I said that to him. He got caught up in 218 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: a moment and he took the fish. Oh he hit me. 219 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: As soon as he hit me, I went, oh potato, 220 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: Uh god, damn no, goddamn fish. 221 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm gonna have to look that match 222 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: up because I had never I've never even heard. 223 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: Of that one. It was good. 224 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: I hated that match to this day. I said it 225 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 3: was the worst match because again I never liked it. 226 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 3: And I remember telling I remember saying something to Russo. 227 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 3: I said, do we have to do this match? 228 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: Oh? Bro, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good. Bro, 229 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. I'm telling me, people gonna love it. Bro, 230 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. And I'm like, you feel a 231 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: ship he goes, No, Bubba's he goes bubbas he goes Bubba's. Uh, 232 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,239 Speaker 2: Bubba's cool with it. I looked at Bubba, he goes. 233 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: Bubba's face. 234 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: I'm just like, Russo, you're lying. I was like, this 235 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 3: is a god awful match. 236 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: This How how many like big fish were there? 237 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: Like? 238 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 1: Did they have boxes of fish around the ring? 239 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: Is that? 240 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: No? 241 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 3: You ever go you ever go to Chinatown or the 242 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 3: fish market? It was a fish market, you know, like 243 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: the little trade. The big trays that they had they 244 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: filled up with ice and then they put the fish 245 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: on top. 246 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: Okay, so it was just like one one. 247 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 3: They had like a whole line of it. They had yeah, 248 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: and they had fish and all that on there. 249 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: It was. It was bad. The smell was horrible. 250 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: The fans, like, I mean, did not stars ship Nelson. 251 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: He's never given me five stars, and any of the 252 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: matches he gives. 253 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: Me negative stars. 254 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: Not even in the freaking TLC match. I think we 255 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 3: got like two. 256 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's terrible. 257 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 3: People still talk about those matches today, thirty something years 258 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: awesome still, But so, I mean, I don't know what 259 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 3: his problem was, but you know, hey, it is what 260 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 3: it is, his own. What Well, you know, you two 261 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: guys may see a wrestling match and love it and 262 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 3: I may hate it, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna, 263 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 3: you know, out of one to ten stars, I'm gonna go, Okay, 264 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: I get to two. It may get a two for me, 265 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: but not everybody else. Should you know, take it as 266 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 3: you know, you know, everybody else is gonna look. 267 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 2: At it as the two match. Yeah. 268 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: I just feel like I feel like back then E 269 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: CW never got like not that it means anything but 270 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: the rating system from him, but I feel like none 271 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: of our guys got a lot of stars for them. 272 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: Well, I know a lot of our guys didn't like him. 273 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: It was pissed off at him. 274 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: But I also know that you're right, none of us 275 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 3: got any of those I will remember a lot of 276 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: people thought. 277 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: E CW was barbaric, right, They didn't like. 278 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: ECW, even some of the veterans in w CW or 279 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: w w W E I'm gonna say that WWF. Yeah, 280 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 3: you know, basically did not know or understand what we 281 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 3: were doing. 282 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: And they would say, and a lot of them would say, what. 283 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 3: We were doing was garbage and this and that until 284 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: the fans started catching on and watching and then showing 285 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: their love and support, and you couldn't go to an 286 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: arena that wasn't an e c W show, but it 287 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: was like a w c W or WWE show where 288 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 3: the fans would hijack the show and start channeling e 289 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: c W. 290 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 5: Right. 291 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 3: You know, it was then that people's eyes started to 292 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 3: wake up. So, you know, Nelson might not have believed 293 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: in what we were doing, but that's fine. But again, 294 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: what is it thirty forty years ago? 295 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: East thirty? 296 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not quite close to it. 297 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: But people still talk about it. 298 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's unbelievable. 299 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my. 300 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: Can we just can I just take this in right now? 301 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: We're so the fish. We're for those listening, Uh, we're 302 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: watching the Fish Market Street Fight right now from two 303 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: thousand and eight TNA Destination X. So Bub's going for 304 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: a fish for shark Boys. Shark Boy's going for a 305 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: net to let y'all know. Oh, Bubba's moving to the fish. Okay, Oh, 306 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: shark Boy's got him in the net. Okay, Oh it's Curryman. 307 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: Oh I saw the Oh okay, I'm sorry. I thought 308 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: that was a fin on his head. Okay, so that's 309 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: Christopher Daniels. Oh, yeah, now I see his eyes. Okay, good, 310 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: and yeah he's he's uh oh he's dancing. Look at that. Yeah, 311 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: Curry Man. I don't remember this gimmick ta. 312 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: Dropping to the fish. 313 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: I would die roa g gross gross. That is disgusting. 314 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: Far as far away could be away from. 315 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: Them, I don't think I could. 316 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: You imagine you're so excited for a pay per view. 317 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: You're a big TNA fan. You can't wait to see 318 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: the Dudleys. Right, you buy a ticket, you're in the 319 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: front row, you think you got good seats, and then 320 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: they put a box of fish next to you, and 321 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,359 Speaker 1: you gotta smell it for like twenty minutes you got, 322 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: which would linger probably for the next two hours because 323 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: it stinks. 324 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it sounds like it sounds like 325 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: some of my earlier dates. 326 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: But enough to travel Lodge. I want to get back 327 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: to something that you said. You were saying that like 328 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: the Vets looked at us as like the Blood and 329 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: Guts company and too much and blah blah blah. I 330 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: remember we did a house show one night, and uh 331 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: we it was like a mixed tag. We did right, 332 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: and we were doing all these like cool spots and 333 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: this and that, and I mean we probably had like 334 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: maybe five hundred to one thousand people in the building. 335 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: It was the house show. Terry Taylor was there just visiting, 336 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: and we come through the curtain and he stops us 337 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: and he looks at all of us and he says, 338 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: why'd you work so hard? I'll never forget this. It 339 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: blew my mind. And I said, excuse me, and he goes, 340 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: why'd you just work so hard out there? It's a 341 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: house show. I couldn't wrap my head around that reasoning. 342 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: And I said, point blank, I said, well, you know, 343 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: I said, if we drew five hundred tonight. Maybe they'll 344 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: tell a friend and maybe next time we come, we'll 345 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: have a thousand people because we work hard. That's what 346 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: we do here. And he goes, well, he goes when 347 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: we do the loop, we just do the same match 348 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: in every city and it's easy and we save our 349 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: energy for TV. See now you're laughing. I you know, 350 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: And I wasn't a VET at this time. I'm still 351 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: kind of green, so I didn't want to argue with 352 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: the guy, but I'm thinking, that kind of mentality is shit. 353 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: Why would you live that way? 354 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 2: We did something. 355 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 3: I didn't learn about that in terms of doing stuff 356 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 3: like that until I got to WWE, right, because a 357 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 3: lot of the Vets from the eighties were still there. 358 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: Late eighties, that. 359 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: Is, and you know they had a lot of them 360 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 3: had the same mentality because it was the old. 361 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: School way of thinking. So the new. 362 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 3: School way of thinking, like you were describing how you 363 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 3: felt about it, hadn't really registered yet. It was just that, 364 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 3: you know, let's get out, let's get through this match 365 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 3: and get to the next town, and you know, get 366 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 3: the TV with no injuries. And that's just the way 367 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 3: it was. Yeah, But as as a couple, you know, 368 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 3: sometime went on, you know some of the vets. You know, 369 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 3: we would do somewhat similar the same match, but we 370 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 3: would change a little bit up right, you know, to 371 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 3: make it a little bit different because you never know 372 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 3: who drove, you know, three four hundred miles to the 373 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: next town, and you know you don't want them predicting 374 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 3: what we had already done in the town the night before. 375 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: So you know, it was always we changed it up 376 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 3: a little bit, not too. 377 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 2: Much, just a little bit. 378 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: But that's and that's fine because we we would do 379 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: like the same thing. We changed some spots here and there. 380 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: But to say, why did you work so hard? To me, 381 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: that's the first thing that came out of his mouth 382 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: when we came in the back. Why'd you work so 383 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: hard out there? And I'm thinking to myself, why wouldn't 384 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: we work hard like they bought a ticket, just like 385 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: you would buy a ticket if it was a pay 386 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: per viewer or a TV taping. 387 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if Terry Taylor would actually agree with 388 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 3: that method now, being that he is one of the 389 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 3: producers and n XT and I say that because you know, 390 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 3: you got to teach these kids. We have to work, work, 391 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 3: hard for what they do, not just to get the TV. 392 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: So I'm sure Terry Taylor is being a producer on 393 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 3: the live events and this and that. I don't think 394 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 3: he has that same mentality anymore, even though he's not wrestling. 395 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 3: But again, I understand what he meant by that because 396 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 3: that was the way they did things back then. 397 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 2: Didn't they necessarily make it right? 398 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm sorry, necessarily make it wrong, but didn't 399 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 3: necessarily make it right either. But that was just the 400 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 3: way they were able to save their bodies, you know, 401 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 3: because remember back then, being on the road for fifty 402 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 3: days straight or forty to fifty days. 403 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: Straight was normal. 404 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: So they were home maybe three to four days, maybe 405 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 3: a week if they were lucky, So you know, they 406 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 3: were constantly traveling in out of cars, some airplanes and 407 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 3: things like that, so they were really trying to conserve 408 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 3: their body. 409 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, not really, But I definitely understand both ways. 410 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 3: Understand Terry's logic and thinking of it, and I definitely 411 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: understand your way of lodge and thinking of. 412 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: It, because that's what we did fifty five years ago 413 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: when we were just starting out. 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