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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, it's another episode the Almost Famous Podcast, and

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Speaker 2: I am sitting with two people that I'm so excited

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Speaker 2: that I'm sitting with both of them at.

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Speaker 3: The same time.

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Speaker 2: It is Justin Glaize and Susie Evans, And yes, I

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Speaker 2: will be grilling them about their relationship because there's no

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Speaker 2: way that this is a versus friendship, because I feel

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Speaker 2: like you guys are the new Ashley and Jared, which

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Speaker 2: I hate to refer to myself in third person, super awkward,

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Speaker 2: but also like this friendship is just too close, too fun,

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Speaker 2: too flirty, too good on screen to not be more.

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Speaker 2: What is going on with you too? I don't I

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Speaker 2: don't butter you up and then get to the hard questions.

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Speaker 3: If you can't tell she jumped right in.

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Speaker 4: I know, I can't say we didn't see that one coming.

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Speaker 3: Justin has done.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, maybe it's naivete, but I don't

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Speaker 4: think it's that far fetched for a guy and a

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Speaker 4: girl to have a platonic relationship. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: And so we're in the opening scene of When Harry Metz.

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Speaker 3: Literally I feel like we have this banter like constantly of.

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Speaker 5: Like, Okay, I know Justin's like dying to date me.

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Speaker 4: I don't mean to like basically I've been rejected time

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Speaker 4: and time again, like.

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Speaker 5: Basically, like I know it's this bit where he just

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Speaker 5: pretends like we're just friends, but like I know him

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Speaker 5: the one, like he's going to figure it out.

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Speaker 3: But this is it, and this is it.

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Speaker 4: You're seeing it.

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Speaker 3: Why isn't it happening?

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Speaker 5: One day he's going to wake up and he's going

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Speaker 5: to realize, like I'm the love of his life. Or

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Speaker 5: maybe I'll start dating somebody and you'll like stand up

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Speaker 5: at my wedding.

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Speaker 4: I don't know there was a time, honestly, I do regret.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a couple of weeks ago where Susie

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Speaker 4: did try to kiss me. I was a little nervous

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Speaker 4: a lot. There's been times where she's like shot or

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Speaker 4: shot you know, and vice versa.

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Speaker 3: You got to paint the picture. Where was it? Because

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Speaker 3: then up on the spot.

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Speaker 4: So I was at her apartment and we had just

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Speaker 4: probably finished filming a bit, and I was sitting on

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Speaker 4: her cream sofa and I was tidying up while she

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Speaker 4: was editing something. And then I sat down. She came over.

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Speaker 4: She had her her cannon camera and she was scrolling

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Speaker 4: through the pictures and she was like, do you like

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Speaker 4: this one? And she played it real smooth, like she

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Speaker 4: was leaning in and like her hair was kind of

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Speaker 4: laying on like the side of my face and my

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Speaker 3: Like so you noticed that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, okay, she's got some game.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to kiss you.

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Speaker 4: What were you trying to do?

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Speaker 3: I was trying to show you a picture?

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Speaker 4: So why did you like close your eyes and pucker up?

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Speaker 3: You're you are so dumb. This is so funny.

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Speaker 2: But you guys recently went on a date basically to

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Speaker 2: the Ravens.

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Speaker 4: Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and Susie not a Ravens fan, not a Chargers fan, Miami.

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Speaker 3: Fan, Miami fan.

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Speaker 5: My family is like my dad's side of the family

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Speaker 5: is from Miami.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, so I get it. Yeah, that's why

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Speaker 3: I'm a Giants fan.

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Speaker 4: So her dad was not happy about that.

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Speaker 2: He was not but I take Susie and not one

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Speaker 2: of your guy friends if it's you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, literally, he asked me.

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Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I did, so I'll tell you

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Speaker 4: that's a great question. Ashley.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure it is.

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Speaker 4: I think I think we genuinely do enjoy experiences together.

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Speaker 4: We have very similar interests. This one's a bad example

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Speaker 4: because it was literally your first football game.

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Speaker 3: But that is your first NFL game. Yeah, first ever. Wow,

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Speaker 3: that's so cool. It was really fun to experience together.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, gave me new experiences, like yeah for.

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Speaker 4: This one, and this is gonna be her first time

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Speaker 4: hearing this, so I'm sorry, but like she was the

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Speaker 4: third option for this one. So, you know, ever since

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Speaker 4: Rodney's been in his flourishing relationship, we don't see him

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Speaker 4: much and I get it. Know he's happy, he's moved

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Speaker 4: on from myself and Nate. We miss him dearly. And

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Speaker 4: Nate is in Toronto for a modeling shoot. So I

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Speaker 4: looked around and I'm like, I.

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Speaker 2: Really only considering his bachelor friends for this literal Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, you don't have other friends.

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Speaker 3: He had to make it a moment. This is a statement.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not getting right now, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Trying to gaslight you.

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Speaker 4: Kind of working? Just kidding.

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Speaker 2: So you guys are very aware of the speculation out

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Speaker 2: there and the comments on your Instagram videos as you

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Speaker 2: guys do use each other as partners and like a

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Speaker 2: lot of content, and the content is so good.

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Speaker 3: We love it so entertaining.

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Speaker 2: And you guys, I love somebody who can do an

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Speaker 2: add well and you guys do adds.

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Speaker 3: Really well together.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Now do you like the comments? Do you indulge with

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Speaker 2: the fan.

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Speaker 3: Frenzy?

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Speaker 5: I think yeah, I think, I think I do. I

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Speaker 5: think it's funny to like banter back and forth. And

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Speaker 5: I mean we both like tease each other online. Like

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Speaker 5: I just saw a comment on my way here where

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Speaker 5: somebody was like, oh my gosh, like wife her up

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Speaker 5: or something, and you were like, yeah, she wishes, Like

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Speaker 5: I do think it's funny. I also think, like on

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Speaker 5: a serious note, like if either one of us, we've

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Speaker 5: always sad this where it's like if either one of

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Speaker 5: us were to get into a relationship, like our dynamic

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Speaker 5: would certainly have to change.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what Jared and I always use to say.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting, Yeah, actually it actually has come up.

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Speaker 3: Well, she had a relationship over the summer, well.

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Speaker 4: She did, but it was actually you can speak to

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Speaker 4: your experience, but after her relationship over the summer, we

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Speaker 4: were both single. But I was sort of talking to

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Speaker 4: our content, and it was like, you know, I guess

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Speaker 4: a funny bit with like fans whatever people that comment.

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Speaker 4: It's like a running joke. But we did have a

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Speaker 4: discussion like, Okay, if I if either one of us,

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Speaker 4: like you said, were to answer into a relationship, it

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Speaker 4: sucks because we're such good close friends, but like that

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Speaker 4: part of our really like dynamic would have to change

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Speaker 4: that they would no longer be joking about dating obviously,

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Speaker 4: if either one of us were in a relationship. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I was, Yeah, it was. It was interesting to navigate.

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Speaker 5: And I think before I didn't really know about that

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Speaker 5: until that literally that one night that he told me,

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Speaker 5: and I felt and I felt bad and sad, like

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Speaker 5: I didn't even know you were really talking to anybody,

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Speaker 5: like I just I just didn't know, like, you know,

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Speaker 5: we just like talked about it, but I definitely would

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Speaker 5: want to be sensitive to that, and like even not

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Speaker 5: Andrew was a part of the bit and it was

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Speaker 5: like very blatantly like transition, who is it going to

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Speaker 3: It just really is.

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Speaker 4: Just yeah, he's bowed up and let me let me

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Speaker 4: clarify when I said it was like literally maybe like

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Speaker 4: a week and a half into knowing this person, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean. So it was it was like

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Speaker 4: very early stages of talking to somebody, like we were

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Speaker 4: not dating by any means. That would be super disrespectful.

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Speaker 4: So just want to clarify that it's only somebody who

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Speaker 4: I had just met. And was like, are you sure

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Speaker 4: you don't have a girlfriend. I was like, what are

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Speaker 4: you talking about? She was like that girl you do

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Speaker 4: the TikTok. I was like, oh my god, no, Like, okay.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to be that aggressive about it.

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Speaker 4: Well no, but I was just like I was like

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Speaker 4: I didn't even think twice. I didn't even think about it,

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Speaker 4: you know, But yeah, it was it was very interesting.

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Speaker 2: So if you one of you got into a serious

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Speaker 2: ish relationship and the relationship had to change, how would

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Speaker 2: you feel? How do you think you'd feel or would

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Speaker 2: would somebody suddenly develop feelings? Because like that's what happened

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Speaker 2: to Jared. Susie jealous too, but Jared was the one

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Speaker 3: Be jealous in that moment. Maybe I just need to

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Speaker 3: get a boyfriend.

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Speaker 5: Then I already tried that.

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Speaker 2: And I always say that people come to you for advice,

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Speaker 2: like how do you get how did you get Jared

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 3: Come around?

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Speaker 2: And I'll always be like the real telling thing is

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Speaker 2: if you get into a relationship and that guy, if

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Speaker 2: he doesn't care, he's never gonna care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, girl can get a boyfriend.

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Speaker 5: That's so funny. I think if I, like, I do

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Speaker 5: think it would be sad. I've said this to you

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Speaker 5: before not to get emotional. And I know I'm literally saying,

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Speaker 5: like joking like, oh, you know, just make up one

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Speaker 5: day and he'll realize it's me.

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Speaker 3: But I do think like.

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Speaker 5: The reason why we wouldn't like cross a boundary or whatever,

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Speaker 5: it would be like if we were to cross that boundary,

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Speaker 5: we couldn't just go back to being friends and then

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Speaker 5: like we can't have anything casual, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Again, not to keep relating to myself, but that is

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Speaker 2: exactly what how Jared felt.

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Speaker 5: That's that's it feels true because I'm like, Okay, you

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Speaker 5: can either come. It sounds so dramatic, but I'm like,

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Speaker 5: right now, you come into my wedding someday, but if

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Speaker 5: you kiss me, you probably can't come to my wedding

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Speaker 5: unless you're my husband.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, unless you're in bragular nation, which it does

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Speaker 2: get a little weird.

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Speaker 3: Because that's true.

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Speaker 2: Well, Jared had Caitlin in the audience, who he kissed

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Speaker 2: anybody else, No.

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Speaker 5: I feel like and I feel like it's kind of

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Speaker 5: different when it's like show based, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 5: Like when you start a relationship on a show or whatever,

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Speaker 5: like kiss off camera, right, like we chose this in

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Speaker 5: the real world, if that were the case, you know

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Speaker 5: what I mean, Like, that's where I feel like we

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Speaker 5: would both want to be like, yeah, we would either

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Speaker 5: like lose the friendship over it, or like they would

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Speaker 5: just like change everything.

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Speaker 4: So which is sad. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's

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Speaker 4: But it's it is so it's like Susie's so easy

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Speaker 4: See whoever backsaw first?

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Speaker 3: That picture for you, all right.

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Speaker 2: So to wrap this, let me ask Susie her my

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Speaker 3: So we Ben.

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Speaker 2: And I recently we did roast Clayton a little bit

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Speaker 3: It had been a while and.

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Speaker 5: Yes, So like when we literally the day before he

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Speaker 5: I was like distraught, and then location services everything like that.

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Speaker 3: Had a tough go at it, and it's all been public.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, if somebody really cared, they d m you.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was saying. I was like thinking, I

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Speaker 5: So that's why I was like, maybe she is pregnant,

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, Susie is going to do the documentary

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Speaker 3: Storytelling, so let's do it. Maybe not fair?

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Speaker 3: Don't want to do the hosting. No, I would love

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Speaker 2: I have this idea, and I'm not I would get

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Speaker 5: So yeah, wait, there's another. I was like, I need

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Speaker 5: the origin after this is.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I think people might be Like,

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Speaker 2: I know exactly what actually is thinking because I've been

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Speaker 2: I appreciate all the juice that you just asked

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