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Speaker 1: A lot of NFL stuff coming up with Mike Silver

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Speaker 1: on a Wednesday morning podcast. But first, Joe Judge was

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Speaker 1: got a call a day ago from a defensive coach

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Speaker 1: first thing he said. He goes, The first thing the

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Speaker 1: Giants have to do is get rid of Joe Judge.

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Speaker 1: It has been chaos. According to his buddies inside the Giants.

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Speaker 1: The second thing he said was this is the worst

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Speaker 1: But this coach said, Thomas is going to be a

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Speaker 1: who they get, Gettleman never replaced Eitler. They had an

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Speaker 1: that was less talented. Secondly, on Joe Judge, this is

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Speaker 1: of the year on Joe Judge and his takeaway was, Oh,

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Speaker 1: funny we always bring up Jimmy Garoppolo's Super Bowl performance

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Speaker 1: gets to the NFC championship, Mike? What if? Okay? Well,

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Speaker 1: great job. Lafleuri gets Green Bay. That's a great job.

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Speaker 1: Brandon Staley gets Justin Herbert. That's a great job. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of these are a jobs. Okay,

428
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: so a lot to unpack. Number one, he loves his

429
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Speaker 1: alma mater, as he should, and there is an emotional

430
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: pull there and as he said, some lifestyle things. Number

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00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: two Yeah, maybe they leaned on him a little bit

432
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: a year ago when they thought they had some leverage,

433
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: and Jim's a competitive guy, and maybe he's just leaning

434
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: back and he'll extract his leverage revenge which is a

435
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: strong word, and they'll give him a little more money

436
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: or whatever security and it'll it'll feel different. The reason

437
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: Jim harbat is different from you and me, and we

438
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: are people who have a strong sense of self collectively

439
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: and individually. Yeah, Jim Harbaugh doesn't believe any job's a

440
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: bad job because his sense of self is even stronger.

441
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't care all whin he I think

442
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: he believes he could go to any job anywhere and

443
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: effect change and win. And that's whether whether you believe

444
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: that or not as an outsider, the thing that makes

445
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh Jim Harbaugh is that thing. So I think

446
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: in his heart, he's played in the NFL for a

447
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: long time. I think most football people, if they're being honest,

448
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: college is cool. There's an emotional attachment. It's not the same.

449
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: It's not the highest level. The highest level of football

450
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: is clearly the NFL, and it's not close. And for

451
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: people who are that competitive and have that kind of

452
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: sense of self deep inside lick. He went to the

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00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: NFL during a lockout year. He took a losing team

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00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: and got them to the brink of the Super Bowl.

455
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: Then he got them to the brink of a championship.

456
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: Then a Richard Sherman tip away from another shot at it.

457
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: He lost to his brother He lost the Super Bowl,

458
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: a close super Bowl to his brothers. So, knowing what

459
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: I know about Jim Harbaugh, yes, all of that may

460
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: be overridden by pragmatics or his love for his alma mater,

461
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Speaker 1: it's all understandable. I just think, deep inside he wants

462
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: to go back to the biggest stage and finish what

463
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: he almost did last time. It's such an interesting guy,

464
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: such an interesting guy. So I am pro analytics, but

465
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: I always call him analytics. Is that you do have

466
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: to consider not reducing alpha male millionaires two numbers. There

467
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: are sometimes I'm going to keep my picture in. He's

468
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: been a good starter, he's good in the room. I

469
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: trust him over a reliever. Right a Max Scherzer situation,

470
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a starter for another batter, even

471
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: if the analytics tell me it's it's a relief pitcher. Option, right,

472
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: And so I am for football analytics. But Jimmy Johnson

473
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: said on my show the other day when Brandon Staley

474
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: went for it on fourth and two eighteen, he said,

475
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: what a lot of these analytic people are forgetting his

476
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: risk and reward. If you got the first down, you're

477
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: still six first downs from a field goal, right. I thought.

478
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: I thought it was the classic I'm all in on

479
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: something and I'm not wavering. People say this all the time, Mike, Well,

480
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: if you play a thousand cards of poker, you always

481
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: blankety blank the sixteen. You always do this, Yes, but

482
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: you don't get fired for losing a hand of poker.

483
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: Billionaire's fire coaches who have a five thousand yard quarterback,

484
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: a good old line, great weapons, and missed the playoffs.

485
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: The only elite quarterback in the league that didn't miss

486
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: a start due to injury that failed to make the

487
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: playoffs was Justin Herbert. Like I thought, it was a

488
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: bad esthetic moment for Brandon Staley. I'm actually waiting for

489
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley to call me, hopefully right after we're done,

490
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: and I'm to dig in and ask him because I

491
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: respect him a lot and know him, and he'll, you know,

492
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: I texted him after the first game about all the

493
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: fourth thound gambles, and what he texted back was if

494
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert was your quarterback, you'd go for it too.

495
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: So that wasn't analytics. That was man, my guy is

496
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: so good, I'm just gonna do it now. It's interesting

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00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: you bring up, like, first of all, I think coaches.

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00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: One reason coaches traditionally until recent years have been so

499
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: averse to taking chances is they know that if they

500
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: do the safe thing, they're less likely to have the

501
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: billionaire on them. Right. If Brandon Staley punts there and loses,

502
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: no one's saying Brandon Staley costs him the game, even

503
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: though in his heart he might earn his mind he

504
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: might think I have a better chance. So that's part

505
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: of it. And you know, I think Jeffrey lury and

506
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: some other owners have been more you know, Jeffrey Lurie

507
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: was telling Douc Peterson, dude, go for it more. And

508
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones was kind of trying to tell Jason Garrett

509
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: that over the years, like I want you to be

510
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: more aggressive. But traditionally coaches our risk averse because they

511
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: don't want the you know that stain now let's go

512
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: back to nineteen ninety four or nineteen ninety five. I'm

513
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: a young writer at Sports Illustrated, and they send me

514
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: out to Dallas because the Cowboys are reeling. Barry Switzer

515
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: has just in a game in Philadelphia famously or infamously

516
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: gone for it on fourth and one from his own

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Speaker 1: I want to say twenty five or thirty, which at

518
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: the time was you know, like that's like ten times

519
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: the Brandon Staley heat and didn't make it, and now

520
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: he was reeling. Now. I spent about two days with him.

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00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. Love a guy and didn't know him

522
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: at the time very well. And when we finally got

523
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: into that, we're standing in his kitchen, which was being remodeled,

524
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: and he finally said to me, you know what, that

525
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: had value to me in a way that went beyond

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00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: this game. He said, I wanted to show my team

527
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: I had faith in them, and I'm following Jimmy. It's

528
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: been weird sometimes, you know, people talk like it's not

529
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: my team. He said. I wanted Emmitt Smith and Michael

530
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: Irvin and those offensive linemen and those guys to know

531
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: I trust you, you'll get to this yard. He goes

532
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: and then they didn't and we lost. But he said,

533
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: I think it fortified my bond with my team. So

534
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't even know the bigger picture. One time

535
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: I was talking to Bill Belichick back when we used

536
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: to speak a lot, if at all, we spoke a

537
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: lot back then. Now we don't speak. But longer story,

538
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: at the time, I was asking Bill about the way

539
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: he was He was frustrated with his team, and I

540
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: was asking him about some of the ways he was

541
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: conveying that. And an example he gave to me was,

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00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: you know, we've gone for it on fourth down a

543
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: few times here in some big situations that we've run

544
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: the ball and we have not been able to get

545
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: the yard. And he said, I finally just put him

546
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: up on the screen and after the last one and

547
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: I said to him, said to my players, I'm fucking

548
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: done you guys. I trusted you to make a yard.

549
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: I've given you chances, you can't fucking do it. I'm

550
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: done doing it. And he's I think he thought that

551
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: resonated with them was very dry. I'm sure his delivery,

552
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: but they kind of got man. He trusted us and

553
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: we let him down. And so the next time a

554
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: few weeks later that he reversed course and went for

555
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: it on fourth down and called to run. They blew about,

556
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, five guys off the you know, off the field,

557
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: and you know, ran outside and got about fifteen yards

558
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: if I recall, because they were just so REVVD up.

559
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: So that's the thing, you know. And I'm not anti analytics.

560
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: I just I get exhausted sometimes by the analytics is

561
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: life crowd telling you what has to be done, and

562
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: it's not just that coach's feel. Sometimes there are things

563
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: going on that we don't know. And that's why journalism

564
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: hopefully as the world opens up again and we can

565
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: get access and start having more of these conversations that

566
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm used to having, sometimes there's something else going on

567
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: that factors in that makes it pretty cool. Well yeah,

568
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I there's things I've thought about.

569
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: I'll throw one at you. If I'm on the East

570
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: coast flying back west, or on the West coast flying

571
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: back east, that's a six hour flight. With my players,

572
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: I would be more willing to go for it because

573
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: if we lose and I doubt them, that's a brutal

574
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: bonding moment. If I trust them and we win, it's

575
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 1: the best flight ever. If I trust them and we lose,

576
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: we're together. Right, It's a I'm dead serious. What's my

577
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: flight like home? I call it. I have a great story.

578
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: So Mike Vrabel, who was Bill O'Brien's assistant in Houston

579
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: and then became the head coach of the Titans. I

580
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: went to London and was down seven, scored at the

581
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: very end, went for two and missed it. I think,

582
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: if I'm recalling right, and that's a long flight home.

583
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: Long flight home. Probably bonded with the players, but the

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00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: whole time you're going, man, should I have kicked it

585
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: and given us a chance and overtime? And I was

586
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,959
Speaker 1: talking to Bill O'Brien shortly after that and I said

587
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: something about like, well, that's a pretty ballsy move by Rabel,

588
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: And he's like, Brabel made forty million dollars in his

589
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: playing career. What does he have to worry about? So

590
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: it was it was a funny reply, like why should

591
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: Mike Rabell care about? But you're right, like that's I

592
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: just think, obviously, in the end, you're trying to win,

593
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: trying to keep your job, You're trying to avoid heat,

594
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: you're trying to bomb with your players. You're trying to

595
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: vibe it out, but you're trying to win. But you know, like,

596
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: let's look at the John Harbaugh decisions, because there were

597
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: two games in a short span there where he went

598
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: for two at the end and both times it didn't

599
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: work out. And both times and you have to evaluate

600
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: the decision before you know the outcome. And both times

601
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: I understood the decision. But you know, the counter argument

602
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: and sometimes is you've done something epic to get back

603
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: into a game, and you just did it, and now

604
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell your team and we have to get

605
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: this one more thing, and you could make a case

606
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: to kick extra points in that situation. The Niners did

607
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: it against the Rams. They were down seventeen nothing, they

608
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: were down twenty four seventeen at the end they scored.

609
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: Kyle could have said, you know what, I'm giving Deebo

610
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: Samuel the ball and he's gonna run through your face

611
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: and we're gonna win. He was like, you know what,

612
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: we've come this far and done something epic. Let's see

613
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: what happens in overtime. I like my team, Brandon Staley,

614
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: who you could definitely second guests the fourth down call

615
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: from his ode eighteen. But they had about six or

616
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: seven elimination plays and one was a replay overturn, one

617
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: was a late flak. I mean they survived them all

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00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: and then after surviving all of them, you know, and

619
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: by the way, they were more and overtime. But after

620
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Speaker 1: surviving all of them in regulation and scoring a touchdown

621
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Speaker 1: on the last play, now people are like, he should

622
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: have gone for two. I'm like, you know what, man,

623
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think after you, Jessin Herbert,

624
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: who threw a fourth and twenty one touchdown and then

625
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: threw a last play touchdown after a replay reversal to

626
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: play before we got him down closer and other fourth downs,

627
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: I think you kicked that one and say we're going

628
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: to live to fight another day. So yeah, it's this

629
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: is part of the fascinating part of it, and it's

630
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: the head coach has to make the decision. I don't

631
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: know that there's always a right or a wrong. And

632
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: I when I really don't like is people after the

633
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: fact saying well, that was bad because it didn't work.

634
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you could say going for it unfourth and

635
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 1: one from your own eighteen is bad whether it works

636
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: or not as you suggested, risk reward, but don't tell me, well,

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Speaker 1: he should have gone for two after last touchdown. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that. I think if he went for two

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Speaker 1: and may it's the greatest call ever. He went for

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Speaker 1: two and missed it, You're like, why why did you

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Speaker 1: do that? And um, I don't know. I came away

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Speaker 1: from that game thinking a mad love to the Raiders

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Speaker 1: because they haven't finished strong the last few years. They

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Speaker 1: went through a lot and they did something big. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: with the Raiders, be I've rarely seen a team come

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Speaker 1: up with that many elimination plays and survive it. Congrats

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Speaker 1: the Chargers for being in it. And see Justin Herbert's

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Speaker 1: gonna win championships, dude, I mean, he's that guy is

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Speaker 1: gonna win championships. So don't don't despair Charger fans. It sucks,

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Speaker 1: but you've got a guy who is ah he is

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Speaker 1: a champion. All right, Silber, That's enough. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to I extract any more gems from you. That was fantastic, buddy,

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Speaker 1: I want to. I want to mention that this guy

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Speaker 1: who confirmation bias was undrafted. This did get optioned a

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Speaker 1: few times before the movie was made, so of course

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Speaker 1: it did. I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't have minded living

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Speaker 1: in that perpetual state of options being renewed and then

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Speaker 1: the movie being made, because of course, every time they

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Speaker 1: option it is another good thing for the people who

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Speaker 1: own the right. So go see American Underdog. I really do,

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Speaker 1: sincerely love the movie. I would say it's way too

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Speaker 1: corny to enjoy, but the fact that it is true,

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Speaker 1: I think makes that defensible. Thanks buddy, thank you. All right,

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