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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: we'll have Matt Waldman talking about some of the skill

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Speaker 1: position players on offense, coming here with a twelve thirty.

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Speaker 1: But leading off the show, it's our good friend from

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Speaker 1: the Draft Network. That's Benjamin Slack and he joins us

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Speaker 1: to talk about some of the cornerbacks in this year's class.

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Speaker 1: Ben You've got John Schmilk and former Giants punter and

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion Jeff Eagles here in East Rutherford, New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: How are you? Um? Well? Thanks John, Thanks Jeff. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe you put me in front of Matt Man.

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Speaker 1: People are gonna think I was all right, and then

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Speaker 1: Walden is gonna go and knock me out of the park. Well, Ben,

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Speaker 1: the good thing is that you're doing defense, he's doing offense.

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Speaker 1: So we're not gonna have any conflicts here. It's it's

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Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna work out perfectly. And I thought you

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Speaker 1: put out a good article last week kind of breaking

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Speaker 1: down this cornerback class as in terms of what roles

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Speaker 1: they can play, because as we're seeing in the NFL

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Speaker 1: and in college, I think a lot of these players

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Speaker 1: become very very scheme specific. So I'll start here. Generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: you watch a lot more college and bull Jeff and

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Speaker 1: I do is zone as prominent in college right now

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Speaker 1: see a lot of people in the NFL playing press

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Speaker 1: man as much as they used to. Yeah, a lot

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Speaker 1: of it depends on conference, depends on system. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've got such a different style of play when you

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Speaker 1: go from big cells to big tends depends on where

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Speaker 1: you're coming out of. But the number one thing you're

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Speaker 1: I think you know, if you look back about ten

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Speaker 1: years ago, there wasn't really that mold yet for the

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Speaker 1: Seattle cover three corners like we talked about, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Richard Sherman wide receiver convert and that style of corner.

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Speaker 1: The ability to disrupt within the first five yards with length,

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Speaker 1: with size, with thecality has become increasingly valuable. But more

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Speaker 1: that college offenses want to get rid of the ball quicker,

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Speaker 1: you have you know, the Oklahoma offense, which throws all

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Speaker 1: And I watched him on Friday and I thought it

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Speaker 1: And I think that lack of physicality shows up in

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Speaker 1: you said, Greedy Williams athletically everything that you want to

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Speaker 1: So Greedy's not my corner one. He's still around one

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Speaker 1: And that's a tough thing to you know, reconcile. But

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Speaker 1: So you set these benchmarks, you set these you know, boundaries,

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Speaker 1: Now his ability to play off of receivers, read a

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Speaker 1: NuGet on each one of those three guys and how

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Speaker 1: put your send out a temple because the body type

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Speaker 1: is pressed, the strength is pressed. But he's also good

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Speaker 1: On Williams, who regularly plays too linear to downhill, what's

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Speaker 1: corners are going to go? And how how early do

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Speaker 1: you think? Yeah? To me, it's round three, round four

429
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Speaker 1: is where I circle it. Probably round four because when

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Speaker 1: you look at corners, just like you know kind of

431
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Speaker 1: how the position and how the position works and what

432
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Speaker 1: you're looking for. We've talked about so many names here,

433
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Speaker 1: body types, great technique wise, and that's a round three,

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Speaker 1: round four pick because that's the guy that you can

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Speaker 1: bring in. You know, he has the building blocks, like

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Speaker 1: I said, and then with a year three year four pick,

437
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Speaker 1: you're looking at a three year development right around three

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Speaker 1: round four pick. Excuse me, you're looking at a three

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Speaker 1: year development. So we're gonna bring this guy in and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna give him a couple of years worth of

441
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Speaker 1: work of technique. He's gonna hopefully grow, he's gonna become

442
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Speaker 1: a little stronger, and then we can see if we

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Speaker 1: have an eventual starter there. To me, I'm an Eagles beat.

444
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Speaker 1: I cover the Eagle Rassel Douglas out of West Virginia,

445
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Speaker 1: amazing ball production for one year. Super Long had no

446
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Speaker 1: idea what he was doing. They bring him in a

447
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,639
Speaker 1: round three pick right outside, right inside the top one hundred.

448
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Speaker 1: Now it's gonna be year three for Rassell Douglas and

449
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Speaker 1: he's he's a favorite to win a starting job in camp.

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Speaker 1: He's done a really nice job developing over a couple

451
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Speaker 1: of year. So that mold of of player in terms

452
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Speaker 1: of development. When you're looking on the Isaiah Johnson and

453
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Speaker 1: joe Wan Williams, a Shawn bonmsing out of Central Michigan,

454
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Speaker 1: that's the sort of a spot where this draft is

455
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Speaker 1: gonna be strong and you can develop guys well, you know,

456
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Speaker 1: you look at the Giants, that's the type of player

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Speaker 1: you're looking for, a guy like Dougas that you can

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Speaker 1: bring in in the fourth or fifth round. The Giants

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Speaker 1: have twelve draft picks this year. A lot of them

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Speaker 1: are in those later rounds where you could afford to

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Speaker 1: go after a guy like that and develop them. Maybe

462
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Speaker 1: a good special teams player maybe gets a jersey on Sunday,

463
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Speaker 1: maybe doesn't, But the fact that you can develop him

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Speaker 1: and get through the learning process if you will, and

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Speaker 1: then turn out to be a good player. And because

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Speaker 1: you know that, and recently the Giants. They have struggled

467
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Speaker 1: in some of their late draft picks and middle rounds,

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Speaker 1: fourth fifth rounds, making the team and staying with the organization.

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Speaker 1: It just hasn't been very good. So it looks like

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Speaker 1: this is one of the drafts where you might be

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Speaker 1: able to get one of those guys later in the round.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, yeah, and when you've got that, you

473
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Speaker 1: know you've got three, six and seventh round picks and

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Speaker 1: you're sitting there at one ten and the guy you

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Speaker 1: want in the nine five you're not. He laughed. Lets

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Speaker 1: you start making calls exactly. So that's the nice flexibility

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Speaker 1: you get with a ton of day free picks. Then

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Speaker 1: final question, I respect the hell out of Pro Football Focus.

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Speaker 1: They love David Long. I haven't watched him yet. Is

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Speaker 1: he as good of a corner as their metrics might indicate.

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Speaker 1: It's tricky for me with David Long and and I

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of things I like when it comes

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Speaker 1: to David Long, not least of which the fact that

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Speaker 1: you're planning from a Don Brown defense. I know that

485
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Speaker 1: you understand how to powern match. I know that you

486
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Speaker 1: understand what to do in man coverage. The biggest issue

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Speaker 1: with David Long is that his best traits are outside

488
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Speaker 1: pressed and his body type is off coverage nickel, and

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Speaker 1: so we've got to figure out what to do in

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Speaker 1: terms of where he's gonna fit. And so when I

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Speaker 1: like when I slotted them by Rolls, I thought of

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Speaker 1: David Long in in in man coverage, you know, off

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Speaker 1: coverage or in the slot. But his tape is by

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Speaker 1: far the most successful when he's up in the press,

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Speaker 1: and when he's pressing against longer, more physical receivers, you

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Speaker 1: see him struggle. And so if the team is a

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Speaker 1: very heavy man coverage team and they can put their

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Speaker 1: slot in corner up into the line and let him press,

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Speaker 1: I think we're cooking with Greek with David Long. But

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Speaker 1: that's a very specific set. A lot of teams don't

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Speaker 1: want to be putting their their slot corner up into

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Speaker 1: the press, and so I want to like Long more

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Speaker 1: than I do. It's she's a question of can I

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Speaker 1: get him to the right spot with the right team.

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Speaker 1: Then we appreciate the time man. Thanks so much, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, ben and good luck with everything. Thank

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Speaker 1: you Fellas, you have a good one too. Thanks that's Benjamin,

508
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Speaker 1: so lack. You can see his work at the Draft

509
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Speaker 1: Network dot com and did an excellent job breaking down

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Speaker 1: the cornerbacks for us. We'll have our next guest, Matt

511
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Speaker 1: Waldman in about eight or nine minutes or so. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, get on the line at two oh one nine, four, five,

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Speaker 1: one three. It's all presented by Corps Light. Download the

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Speaker 1: Corps Light Awards that two an Amazing Giants prizes throughout

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Speaker 1: the off season. I got two calls on the line.

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Speaker 1: We'll try to squeeze maybe one more if we can. Oh,

517
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Speaker 1: now we got into one call on the line, so

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Speaker 1: get in. We got room for you. First, Let's to

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Speaker 1: Dan and Delaware. He's up first, Dan, what's up, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing all right? Um? I just had

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Speaker 1: a question about these quarterbacks. And UM I know it's

522
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Speaker 1: like pretty much all the calls and all the draft

523
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Speaker 1: off but um I I listen to show every day.

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Speaker 1: I'll start by saying, I am not a film analyst.

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Speaker 1: I cannot I'm not breaking down film and things like that.

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Speaker 1: But I listened to all the guys you have on.

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Speaker 1: You have all the best people come on, you have

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Speaker 1: him on, you know, after we get off here, and

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Speaker 1: and I listen to what they have to say. I

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Speaker 1: listen all to Twitter and this year's quarterbacks class. I

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Speaker 1: even heard John say, I believe the last your last

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Speaker 1: opinion was you take Haskins at six, but you would

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Speaker 1: not move up for him. And when I and when

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Speaker 1: I hear that, I look in I say, well, the

535
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Speaker 1: last twelve quarterbacks taken, Eleven of them teams traded up

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Speaker 1: for except for Baker, who was obviously went at one.

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Speaker 1: And if are he goes one, it will be the

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Speaker 1: same thing. So that just right there, just from like

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Speaker 1: my perspective, it tells me, what if there's a guy

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Speaker 1: that no one's willing or you're not willing to trade

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Speaker 1: up for, then do we even really want him? And

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Speaker 1: the thing is, if he falls with at six, it

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Speaker 1: almost scares me, to be honest with you, It tells

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Speaker 1: me like that nobody else felt the need to trade

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Speaker 1: up for him to get him. You know, Dan, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because I did two of

547
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Speaker 1: these mock drafts with other media outlets over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: with one with the Draft Network, another one with our

549
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Speaker 1: affiliate down in Central Pennsylvania, and I've and they have

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Speaker 1: you on and they tell you to make to pick

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Speaker 1: at six with the Giants, right, and I'm sitting there

552
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Speaker 1: and first of all, I pray that either Josh Allen,

553
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Speaker 1: Quinn Williams, or Nick Bosa fall and they never do so,

554
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Speaker 1: So once you get past that, I literally sit there

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Speaker 1: at six and I have six or five or six

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Speaker 1: guys to choose from, and I have an awful lot

557
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Speaker 1: of trouble picking a guy. I ended up picking up

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Speaker 1: Haskins and both. I don't think that's all I say.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't know what the Giants are

560
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Speaker 1: going to do, but I just don't feel great about

561
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Speaker 1: the value with six for him. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna get a similar player ten or eleven,

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Speaker 1: then I'm gonna get it six. So as of now,

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Speaker 1: I just don't love where the Giants are. I think

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Speaker 1: they're right at the top of the second tier of

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Speaker 1: players in this draft class. Which isn't that not a

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Speaker 1: place I love to be in? I hear you, and

568
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Speaker 1: and that's what that The thing is is what when

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Speaker 1: you're talking about the quarterback position, you don't you want

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Speaker 1: to be like excited about picking that player, Like, don't

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Speaker 1: you want to be like, hell, yeah, we just got

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Speaker 1: our next quarterback. And when you don't feel like that,

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Speaker 1: and I grant, I don't know what geentleman feels like,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, from my perspective, sounds like from

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Speaker 1: your perspective, from most of the people you have on

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Speaker 1: the people calling in talking about these quarterbacks, especially compared

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Speaker 1: to last year's class and what is projected into next

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Speaker 1: year's class, it just feels, I don't know, like I

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Speaker 1: just hope he gets it right when he actually pulls

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Speaker 1: a trigger on this quarterback because it's the most important things.

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Speaker 1: But it's not exciting to me, and that's a bad feeling,

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Speaker 1: like just gut s wise. Now. I mean, there's quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: have been taken at any all over the place, and

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Speaker 1: they work out sometimes, but I'm of the opinion like

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Speaker 1: I want my quarterback in round one. I want him

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Speaker 1: high and round one, I want him to be one

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Speaker 1: of the first two players taking the draft. Don't want

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Speaker 1: that guy. And I don't feel like that about any

589
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Speaker 1: of these guys. And to me, if it is me,

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Speaker 1: and I hate doing this because I had I want

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Speaker 1: to Donald last year badly and I was telling all

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Speaker 1: the people I was getting into it with you can't

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Speaker 1: wait till next year because you never know when you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get in this position again. And now I'm almost

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Speaker 1: advocating for that. What I'm saying, just take, I'm saying, like,

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Speaker 1: just take. I want in the first three picks we have,

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Speaker 1: Just take two defensive players in an offensive linemen and

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Speaker 1: whatever order you want, and just do it that way,

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Speaker 1: and hope to God, just pray that we are in

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Speaker 1: a place where we can get a blue chip type

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Speaker 1: player next year. I'm almost contradicting myself by saying it.

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Speaker 1: But now it's hard, Now, Dan, it's hard, and and

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Speaker 1: and thanks to the call, guys, I'm gonna try. I

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Speaker 1: got three guys on the line. I want to try

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Speaker 1: to squeeze you on before we get our guests. Then

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Speaker 1: we're gonna try to make one comment or one question

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Speaker 1: and we'll kind of go through all three you guys.

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Speaker 1: I want to make it there's otherwise gonna be waiting

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes for the guests, So I want to make

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Speaker 1: sure we get everybody in, um real quick on what

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Speaker 1: the point that he made? Yeah, you know that's why

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Speaker 1: I struggle with Haskins at six. I think this will

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Speaker 1: be my first question from Matt too. I think Jeffy

614
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Speaker 1: is a really high floor, right. I think I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: confident he's gonna be a starting NFL quarterback. He will,

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Speaker 1: But how high of a level of a starting NFL

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Speaker 1: quarterback is he going to be? And that's what I

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Speaker 1: struggle with a little bit. Well, I think that it's

619
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Speaker 1: so hard to read into any of this because there

620
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Speaker 1: is so much there's a lot of smoke screening going on.

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Speaker 1: I really believe every team is doing it right now,

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Speaker 1: and I think that you know, you can't you can't

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Speaker 1: get a good beat on it. So I think you know,

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Speaker 1: the caller had mentioned last year he was they were

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Speaker 1: so excited because you know what you were really excited

626
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Speaker 1: about se Kwon Barkley. I mean, you look at what

627
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Speaker 1: he was in college. That gets you really excited. And

628
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Speaker 1: sure enough, but I understand where he's coming from. It's hard.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to get excited about something because you're not

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Speaker 1: seeing a lot of love given to some of these players.

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Speaker 1: You're really not And lands your line report over the

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Speaker 1: weekend that he thinks that taskins has a chance to drop,

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Speaker 1: and then maybe NFL teams aren't as high as him

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Speaker 1: as some people in the media, So take that, you

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Speaker 1: know again, but this is also lying season they had

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Speaker 1: or might want dies to drop too, so who knows

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Speaker 1: where that's coming from. All right, Scott, New Mexico is

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Speaker 1: up next, Scott, what do you got? Hey? Guys? Uh

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Speaker 1: enjoyed all the interviews so far. This is a question

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Speaker 1: for you, John before I get to my main question. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: real quick, Scott, we got were going fast. I was

642
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 1: just curious if you're going to have two guys on

643
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: that were on last year's broadcast. There were great entertaining interviews,

644
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: and one was Dan Shanka. Yes, we'll have Dan on

645
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: before the draft. Oh and the other one was George

646
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: Brewery from Profocus. I'm not I'm not gonna do him

647
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: before the draft. I'm gonna try to do him again

648
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: in June and July during that dead period, but I

649
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: will definitely have George back on, Scott. Okay, my question

650
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: is really about the comment about Greedy Williams and I

651
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: kind of disagree. I watched Greedy up against DK Metcalf

652
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: in the game that LFU played against Mississippi State, and

653
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: he has the kind of closing speed that you want.

654
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 1: Because obviously we know how fast DK metcalf is and

655
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: he really got the best of him. I think, oh, no, Scott, No,

656
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: No one's doubting Greedy williams ability to cover and his speed.

657
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to tackle anybody, and he's not. That's

658
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: you could say the same thing about when Jabrille Preppers

659
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: was a giant for touting is you know, a great

660
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: safety when he came out originally he didn't have. One

661
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: of the knox on him was that he didn't tackle.

662
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: That he played linebacker in college. Scott, No, but but

663
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: when he played safety in in Cleveland the first year,

664
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: he didn't tackle very well. So I'm saying, I'd rather

665
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: have a cornerback who can who has the kind of

666
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: closing speed that Greedy Williams says. So I would look there, Uh,

667
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: if if you I mean, if you want to go

668
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: back to Dion Sentators, I'm not making that comparison. He

669
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: was a terrible tackler, but he was the best quarterback

670
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: in the league. So I'd rather from that perspective of

671
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: somebody like that who can cover somebody that you know,

672
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, you can depend on. And then that's really

673
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: my own and don't take everything else Scott. That's fair.

674
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: If you want to product coverage, you don't worry about

675
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: the tackling part of it, then yeah, pick him, pick

676
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: him at seventeen and I get it, and I think

677
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: most people would probably agree with that if you want

678
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: to have a guy that can cover better than the

679
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: guy that can tackle, because really that's what you're there

680
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: to do is defend the path and then you can

681
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: work on your tackling skills. All right, Peter, North Carolina's

682
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: up next. Hey Pete, Peter, Hey guys, good Uh, somebody

683
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: took my question about quarterbacks earlier, so as to be

684
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: a different question. I've been thinking about this since the

685
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: Odell trades and then that ESPN article came out over

686
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: the weekend. Yeah, I saw it. Yeah, So I'm curious.

687
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: You know, if you're in the Giants front office and

688
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: you've already got a deal from the Cleveland Browns, then

689
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna trade Nodill. What are the benefits

690
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: of not calling another team to see if you can

691
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: get a better deal. Well, let me ask you, Peter.

692
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: If you've been talking to a team about a trade

693
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: for two months and you think they've given you their

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00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: best offer, you've asked for something consistently which makes you

695
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: get the deal done, and they've said no. Why why

696
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: would you think the team is going to change their mind.

697
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: If a team wanted him that badly and he's a

698
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: blue chip player, come with your best offer, don't dilly

699
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: dally around. And because we're gonna what's around And if

700
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: you know Dave Getlan's personality, you come, you make a

701
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: fair d He's gonna make a deal with you. If

702
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: this GM from another team according to the report, well

703
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure is the one leaked the fact at all,

704
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: we'd be willing to give up more. Blah blah blah.

705
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: Come make your best offer, don't dilly dally around. Yeah,

706
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that. I believe that they

707
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: had a stronger offer and I agree with that. Just

708
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: the one. That's just the one team out Like, why

709
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: not call any other team and say, you know this

710
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: is the author, can you beat it? And just to

711
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: see if if there's anything else out there? All right,

712
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: he appreciate the call. Let's go to Damian Morristown. Before

713
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: we get to our guest, Damian, what's up, Hey, guys,

714
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: thanks for taking the call. You know, I guess I

715
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: consider myself to be in the minority here and that

716
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: I don't think we should draft any of the quarterbacks

717
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: in this upcoming draft. I'm perfectly fine sticking with Eli.

718
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: And one thing that I think people are not really considering,

719
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: which is a benefit to the Beckham trade, is that

720
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: a lot of times to feel that Eli felt pressure

721
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: to throw the ball to Beckham a certain number of

722
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: times per game, even when he was in double and

723
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: triple coverage. Now that he's gone, I think Eli is

724
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: gonna be a little more relaxed and be able to

725
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: distribute the ball on a little more of a balanced

726
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: basis than he did before. Couple that with the improvements

727
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: to the offensive line, the emergence of Angram. If he

728
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: could stay healthy in the second year, I think is

729
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: going to be just fine. Well, you saw that the

730
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 1: last four games of the season. Thank you appreciate the call.

731
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: That's basically what you're saying, Damien, and and it's true.

732
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: I mean, look at what they offense did the last

733
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: four games of the year, John, Yeah, and then they

734
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: they they did not need him. Now, you're never going

735
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: to replace O'Dell Beckham, and your offense isn't going to

736
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: be better without there's no question, but can it be

737
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: efficient and can it be can you put points up? Yes,

738
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: you can, and I that's kind of what happened. And

739
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: I do agree. I think at times you did get

740
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: a feeling what's all right, Well, let's let's let's take

741
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: our shot here with with Odell. Let's make sure we

742
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: get him involved. And I think that's not a bad

743
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: thing when you got a player that great. By the way,

744
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: it's not. But I do think Eli's at his best

745
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: when he can just go back there and say, all right,

746
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: based on the coverage, this is who I'm supposed to

747
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: get the ball to on this play. I'll go to

748
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: him and he and and there's gonna be no one

749
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: on this roster offensively that has an ego about not

750
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: getting the ball in off there's no Jefferd's not Ingram's not,

751
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: Barkley's not, and neither is Golden Tape. No, actually he's

752
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: none of them are. And and the thing about this

753
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: whole we don't know. We don't know what happens in practice,

754
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: like in the huddle and the game. In the huddle,

755
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: is he's saying something like Eli, come on, seriously, they

756
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: were uncovered too. I should have got the ball. Why

757
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: don't you throwing it to me? Well, they weren' uncovered two,

758
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: they were uncovered three, and I shouldn't throw it to

759
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: you uncovered too. You don't know this stuff, and so

760
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: that could have a bearing on it. So now that

761
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: it's not there, you don't have to worry about it.

762
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: But I know that for a fact that that the

763
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: offense ran pretty well without him last year, and I

764
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: think that that was probably a teaching point to the

765
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: other players I remember did it in years past when

766
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: they're been macadoo either, But on their patch mer system

767
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: last year it did work out better. So we'll see

768
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: what happens when they don't happen for the full year,

769
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: because obviously it's a small sample size, so at over

770
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: sixteen games, the results may very well be different. All right, Jeff,

771
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: Let's get to our next guest and then Matt Walden.

772
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: He is the creator of the Rookie Scouting Portfolio. Matt,

773
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: you got John Schmelk and Jeff Eagles here and he's

774
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: rather for New Jersey. How are you today? I'm doing well, John, Jeff,

775
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: nice to be on. Hey, thanks for having us, Thanks

776
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: for being What does Matt first of all, want to

777
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: tell people where they can find your working exactly what

778
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: you do when it comes to the NFL draft. Sure, certainly,

779
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: I've been creating the publication that focuses on scouting quarterbacks,

780
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 1: running backs, wide receivers and tight ends and two thousand

781
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: six UM. You can find my work at YouTube. At

782
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: the RSP Film Room has over three videos profiling you know,

783
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: one or two plays from prospects to hour long shows,

784
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: diving indeed with other media, with other former players, with

785
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: some current players UM as well as you can find

786
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: my work at Matt Waltman RSP dot com and you

787
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: can buy my book. UM. You can check out my

788
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: book and see the information with that available at Matt

789
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: Walman RSP dot com. It's a draft guide that is

790
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: pretty much unlike any other because it's finally the most

791
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: comprehensive look you're going to see publicly on these positions

792
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: using UM best practices from operations sectors on how to

793
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: evaluate warmans UM. And it's something that you see people

794
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: in the media, people within personnel as well as UM

795
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: a lot of fantasy people who like to buy it.

796
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: And it takes you through my process really transparently, step

797
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: by step It's about a thousand pages bookmark PPF on

798
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: just those positions and literally covers a hundred and ninety

799
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: one of these prospects. That's fantastic, Matt. I'm gonna go

800
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: check it out. I'm gonna go check it out and

801
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: make the purchases. Who's the shows over I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, Matt,

802
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: did you do do work with any of the NFL

803
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: teams around the league or is this something that's just

804
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: openly to the public. It's just something that's open to

805
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: the public. But one I'm told by some college recruiters

806
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: in Division one is that mine and a couple of

807
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: other people are among the two to three most looked

808
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: at by scouts by congratulations from this dependent perspective. Awesome, Matt. Well,

809
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: let's let's start Dwayne Haskins. We'll touch on Murray in

810
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I think a lot of people,

811
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: despite the fact that Josh Rosen, by the way, did

812
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: show up a quarantine and rappaport to the opening of

813
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: the Cardinals offseason training program this morning, a lot of

814
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: people still believe that Kyler Murray will be the pick

815
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: of the Cardinals. Will see if that's the case or not,

816
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: so let's start Dwayne Haskins. Matt He's an interesting player

817
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: to me. I feel like he's got a pretty high floor.

818
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm confident with his ability to read defenses and and

819
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: do those types of things. You know, good size for

820
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: the position. I'm pretty confident he's gonna be a starting

821
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback for for a good while. I'm just not

822
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: sure how high of a level he's going to play.

823
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: And there are two things that worry me. I'd like

824
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: to get your take on him, and then give your

825
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: overall opinion of the player. Pressure. I think from the

826
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: outside there's a pretty good job stepping up, but when

827
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: it comes in his face, I think his feet break

828
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: down a lot and he panics. The other thing inconsistent

829
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: accuracy deep outside the numbers on on deep routes down

830
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: the field, and those are the two things to me

831
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: that I see hold him back. I like the process,

832
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: the progress he made the final four or five games

833
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: of the year. I thought he really got better in

834
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: those final few games as opposed to in the year

835
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: when he checked down a lot. That's my thoughts on Haskins.

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00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: I'd like to get yours, because I know you've done

837
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: a lot more in depth and watch a lot more

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00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: video on than I have. Yeah, certainly, you know, and

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00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: I agree with you that I think Caskins has a

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00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: high floor. And one of the things that that's difficult

841
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: about him is obviously he's only played one year. So

842
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: in that course of the year you see a player

843
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: adjusted in getting more confident in certain areas. But you

844
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: usually need a couple of years to really see how

845
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: that player improves from your year. But I charted his games.

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00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: I charted about ten of his games. Um really looked

847
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: at short, intermediate, vertical, and deep ranges of the field,

848
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: looking at the middle, flat, and sideline for each of

849
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: those ranges and character and basically charted him according to

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00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: what I call general accuracy, which is where the receiver

851
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: has to do a little bit of work to catch

852
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: the ball, but it's expected that the receiver should make

853
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: the catch, and pinpoint accuracy, which is where Bill Walsh

854
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: would have you know, back in the day, told Mike

855
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: home Grown on a certain path to Jerry Rice in

856
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: practice that he should never call this generally accurate path

857
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: a good throw because it's really the what he expects

858
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: is this perfection in terms of where the ball should

859
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: be placed according to the route, and I try I

860
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: chart those two different ways. And when you look at

861
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins start um, you know in the opposite hash

862
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: area the field. According to next Gen Stats and looking

863
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: at their research of over thirty thousand throws, I think

864
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: it's even more than that um the expected threshold for

865
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: like the deep and accurate game. You can see that

866
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: he's actually well above that in the vertical sideline, in

867
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: the deep sideline in terms of pinpoint accuracy. So he

868
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: has some um. He certainly has some promise there in

869
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: terms of his arms length and his accuracy there um,

870
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: but you see a lot of his path is where

871
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: they're slightly below that. When he's playing on platform. In

872
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: the vertical and the deep game, he's slightly below that

873
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: in terms of pinpoint accuracies. More if you combine his

874
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: general accuracy and pinpoint accuracy, he's above the threshold. But

875
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: I see exactly what you're saying there in terms of

876
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: what the accuracy was. In terms of what he does

877
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: in the pocket, I agree can step up pretty well.

878
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: What happens for him, I think is that he's not

879
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: quite quick enough to really be able to handle pressure

880
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: from all angles in a great way. And he's homes

881
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: sometimes dips his shoulder a little bit too much, so

882
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: he can't reset well. So he's gonna have to work

883
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: on some minor flaw, you know, issues there to get

884
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: his form right. And he tends to be a guy

885
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: that because he's not all that quick, that interior pressure

886
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: is going to be troublesome, just like it is for

887
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. Rivers have a little bit more trouble in

888
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: that regard Matt. You know, we hear his acumen for

889
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: football is off the chart, So I think that, you know,

890
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: when you carry that over from the college game into

891
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: the pros, that will help him. What do you think

892
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: the one thing that he's going to need. The teams

893
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: are looking at him going, Okay, this is something that

894
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: we feel he doesn't do very well at this level,

895
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: but we know that he can get better at this

896
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: going forward. Therefore we're gonna pick him at number six,

897
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: at number seventeen or whatever it is. Yeah, I mean

898
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: I think for him, he for him probably more than anything,

899
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: is that he has to learn to anticipate a little

900
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: bit better on boundary throws. I think that he with

901
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks oftentimes the difference between the best quarterbacks in

902
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: the league and quarterbacks who are starters for a while

903
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: but everyone's always kind of looking for a new guy

904
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: to be in that player's place. Is usually that the

905
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks have little to no hesitation when it comes

906
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: to seeing visual confirmation that the receiver is gonna break open.

907
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: Usually that's identifying the leverage of the coverage short and

908
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: seeing that you know that the safety is facing the

909
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: sideline and him waiting an extra beat or two too long.

910
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: And that's the difference between maybe three or four throws

911
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: in the game that are pivotal. Yeah, that's that's very interesting.

912
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: We're joined by Matt Waldman again. You can check him

913
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: out his Rookie Scouting portfolio and Matt Waldman RSP dot

914
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: com also his YouTube channel. How much of a drop off, Matt,

915
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: do you have? And I give you about you have

916
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: started by asking you how you have the quarterbacks ranked.

917
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of the rankings, but do

918
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: you feel there's a big drop off from Haskins to

919
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: that next tier of quarterbacks in this draft, whether it's

920
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, Lock or Daniel Jones or Agree or whoever

921
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: you might have in that next group. Um, Actually, I

922
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: don't think that there's Um, there are probably four quarterbacks

923
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: who I think are all within one tier of each other,

924
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: or at least, you know, Tier one and Tier one A,

925
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: and then I think after that there is a there's

926
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a drop to two guys

927
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: who I think that you know, like your Finley's and

928
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: your Drew Locks and players like that, who I think

929
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: can develop into possibly possibly developing the starters everything works

930
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: out well, but you're not probably counting on that. How

931
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: do you have those top one, A, one B tier

932
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: set up in in um in your viewing? Yeah, the

933
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: way I haven't set up. It's a little bit more interesting.

934
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, I'm a guy who liked

935
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is my highest graded quarterback in five years

936
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: when when people were really talking about Drew Biski. So, um,

937
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm a you know, the guy I really like his

938
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: will career. I think Will Greer expresses his his game

939
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: in the you know, in terms of being able to

940
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: be creative, intuitive and and process the field the way

941
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: he needs to. I like him just a little a

942
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: bit more than Kyler Murray, even though Kyler Murray in

943
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: my opinion obviously has the most upside. The difference between

944
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: those two players for me is not so much accuracy,

945
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: because when you look at their acts three charting wise,

946
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: there within the same tier. Murray can be a little

947
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: bit too scattered in terms of how he moves in

948
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: the pocket. He can climb, but oftentimes you see him

949
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: hopping around and he loses the rhythm of the Rocks.

950
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: Haskins is within that same tier. And then I also

951
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: like Brett Rippon an awful lot. I think Brett Rippon

952
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: is a surprisingly good player who really plays with great

953
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: tempo with good accuracy. He's someone that can really manipulate

954
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: coverage well, and I think he's going to be a

955
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: surprisingly decent player in this league. At worst, he's a

956
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: case Keenan type. At best, I think he can be

957
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: a starter. You know, it's funny, Matt and I think

958
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: greer and ripping, and I'm not surprised if you like

959
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: one you like the other. Because Charlie Weiss host his

960
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: morning show on Sirius of Bob Pop all right, and

961
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: Bob does the show from here in the building, so

962
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: I listen to him and and Charlie talked a lot

963
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: about the quarterbacks and Charlie loves Will Greer. He has him,

964
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: i believe, as his third quarterback in this class, and

965
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: he loves his ability to anticipate, especially in the middle

966
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: of the field. And I heard the same thing about

967
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: ripping and it seems to be based on your analysis.

968
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: For you to succeed in the NFL, anticipation is a

969
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: huge deal because if you're a step behind, these super

970
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: athletic defenders are going to make you pay. Absolutely, because

971
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: footwork is essential to how a quarterback moves. Really, you

972
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: watch the quarterbacks footwork and you know you have a

973
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: key to what's going on in with his mind in

974
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: terms of what he's looking at, how fast he processes information,

975
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: and also the tempo that he plays with. And you

976
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: can often see players when their feet are slow, sometimes

977
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: they're lacking behind what their mind is trying to do.

978
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: Um So you can see things like nervousness. You can

979
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: see a little bit of a row seas and how

980
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: they play. You can see whether they're on time with

981
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: what they're doing and how precise and crisp they are

982
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: um in terms of their execution. And Will Career is

983
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: very good in that regard. You know, you certainly see

984
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: his ability also to play a little bit off tempo

985
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: things like that. I know that Chris Simms has talked

986
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: about him having to load up a little bit, but

987
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: I've looked at that, you know, repeatedly, and i think

988
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: the only time we really have to do that is

989
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: on some opposite hash throws. Oftentimes on one three, you know, one,

990
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: two and even three step drops. He sticks that landing

991
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: and fires that ball fifty yards down the field. He's

992
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: very aggressive um as well, and I think he's very

993
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: good in the deep range of the field. So I'm

994
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: excited about what he can do in the right environment.

995
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: So as giants, fancy know, we we read, we read

996
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: a lot of the mock drafts. All of them have him,

997
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: all the good guys, and you know, Drew Lock is

998
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: a guy. I'm curious at what you think about him

999
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: because a lot of people think of Patrick Mahomes and

1000
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: how he's kind of a gun slinger. He doesn't throw it,

1001
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, doesn't have great footwork, but he gets the

1002
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: ball where he wants to. Very athletic. What's your take

1003
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: on Drew Lock and and where do you think he ranks?

1004
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: Where does he rank in your rankings? And QBS? Yeah,

1005
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: I have Drew Locks six in my rankings, and he's

1006
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: a good tier tier and a half or two below everybody,

1007
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of it's on the basis that he's

1008
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: that high in the first place on his arm talent

1009
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: because he has fantastic armsure. But it makes sense hearing

1010
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: him to Patrick Mahomes is kind of like, you guys

1011
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: are in New York, so you know, you guys are

1012
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: aware of jazz. It's kind of like comparing Sonny Rollins

1013
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: to Kenny g. There's really no comparison, you know, Sonny Rollins,

1014
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: you know I mean, And it's just true because you

1015
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: look at Drew Lock and what happens, unfortunately with Drew

1016
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: Lock is that his footwork um is just very slow.

1017
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: He's someone that you can tell whether he's a good

1018
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 1: guy and he prepares, that's fine, but he's been enabled

1019
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: during his career to basically be a guy who leans

1020
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: so much on his arm that he that he's kind

1021
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: of what I call a light switch player instead of

1022
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: a thermostatic player in terms of his execution. When he

1023
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: plays top SEC defenses, you can see him try to

1024
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: play the way he's supposed to, which is crisp tempo

1025
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: good footwork, being more disciplined with that until at least

1026
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: his offensive line breaks down, and then he's kind of

1027
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: bottle luck anyway, who's playing a superior defense. But when

1028
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: he's playing lesser teams, you see him kind of just

1029
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: slowly moving the place with his drop. He's not always

1030
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: throwing on platform when he has opportunities to do so,

1031
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: so he's not find creating easy solutions for himself and

1032
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: his team. And the best quarterbacks always find easy solutions,

1033
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: or or at least are good at finding easy solutions

1034
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: in difficult situations, whereas Drew Lock right now, his game

1035
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: is more about just trying to find easy ways physically

1036
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: for him to throw the ball without hiving to do

1037
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: the extra work. But it turns himself into creating difficult

1038
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: situations out of easy ones. Um, So that for me,

1039
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: he's a guy that you know he might get it

1040
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: together and might work on it, but he hasn't been

1041
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: forced to do that because he's been successful with his arm.

1042
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: And that reminds me of guys like Jeff George and

1043
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: j Cutler and and those are guys that could be

1044
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: really good, but they tease. It's funny Matt I made

1045
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 1: the Jet made the Ja Cutler comparison myself last Friday

1046
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: because I feel like he has so much confidence in

1047
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: his arm. He just gets sloppy back there and then

1048
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: you see some throws You're like, Wow, that's better than

1049
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 1: a throw I've ever seen. The next one You're like, wow,

1050
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: that wasn't even close. And I think that's the it

1051
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: consistency that worry about um. Daniel Jones. You know, you

1052
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: could tell he's been well coached. He was a walk

1053
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: on for a reason. I think when you look at

1054
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: the tape, do you have him as kind of a

1055
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: late day to guy, do you have maybe even have

1056
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: him been around four round three? What do you land

1057
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: on Daniel Jones? Yeah? I have him as a late guy,

1058
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: like late round guy honestly because to me, and this

1059
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: is where I kind of differ probably from the norm,

1060
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 1: is that he reminds me of the guys that old

1061
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: school Scouts and old school gms covet before they could

1062
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: do a little bit more research on certain things, which

1063
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: is he's big, he has a strong arm. Certainly, he

1064
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: has that nice coaching acumen and you know all credits

1065
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: that David Cutcliffe, I mean, and if you're I know

1066
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: quarterback coaches, and they'll say this to a man, is

1067
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: that you know, when I can market that I've had

1068
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: successful students in the past, I'm going to do that,

1069
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: and that's gonna give me more chances with successful students.

1070
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: But you know, they were great students who learned my

1071
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: lessons and and so you know, David Cutcliffe had the mannings,

1072
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, but he's also had a lot of quarterbacks

1073
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: since then. And I'm not trying to down David cuts up,

1074
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: but at the same time, let's put it in perspective. Um.

1075
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, the coaching that he's had is pretty good

1076
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: in some respects. But you have to look at Jones

1077
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: and you see that his feet are slow, they lag

1078
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: behind what he should be reading. There's a lot of

1079
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: miscommunications with his receivers on his tape um, there's a

1080
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: lot of inconsistencies with how he reads the field and

1081
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: process of that information. But he's got a big arm,

1082
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: he's strong, he's tough. I gotta give him a lot

1083
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: of credit for the amount of punishment that he took it.

1084
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: Duke continues trying to fire the ball. So I admire

1085
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: him as an athlete. I admired him as a tough

1086
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: guy in the you know, as a quarterback, but his

1087
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: accuracy is just a bit off and the way that

1088
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: he reads the field and processes information isn't really on

1089
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: target at this point, and a lot of that really

1090
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: kind of brought him down in terms of by evaluation

1091
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: of him. And he's just not a guy that I

1092
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: would see as a starter. Maybe is developing as a

1093
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: first year back up down the line. Madam. You know,

1094
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: you look at last year's QB class and this year's

1095
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: QB class, I don't think they compare. So I'm gonna

1096
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: ask you a different question as far as this QB class,

1097
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,479
Speaker 1: Which one of these players would you put in last

1098
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: year's or where would you rank them last year's class,

1099
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: because I obviously I think that last year's class was

1100
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: pretty pretty good and compared to this one here, which

1101
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: one which quarterback would you put up in there? And

1102
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: at what number and what sequence? Yeah, that's a good question,

1103
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, looking back at it and

1104
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: just kind of trying to eyeball and remember where I

1105
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: have these guys, I would say, you know, Will Greer

1106
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: and and um, Kyle Kyler Murray are guys that would

1107
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: probably be in the range of where I ranked Sam

1108
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: Donald and Baker Mayfield, which I had third and fourth.

1109
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: And obviously Baker Mayfield played out of the box, you know,

1110
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: played really well, um and and he had a really

1111
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: nice fit down the second half of the season. But

1112
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: I had Rosen, Donald, and Jackson all kind of in

1113
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: that first year, would make Baker Mayfield a little bit

1114
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: below that. UM, So I would have guys like Career

1115
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: and mur probably in the range that of Donald and

1116
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, which would be around third or fourth, with Rosen,

1117
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, still be in the highest thing guy. So

1118
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: needless to say, if someone walked up to you this

1119
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: year and said, hey, do you want Josh Rosen for

1120
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: a second round pick, you would be put on your

1121
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: sprinter shoes and just run as fast as you can't

1122
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: to say yes to that. Yeah. Absolutely, Because even though

1123
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: you know he has some reputation outside of things in

1124
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: terms of how he's dealt with coaches and things like that,

1125
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: I've had a chance to talk with people who worked

1126
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 1: with him even from high school and how he's acknowledged

1127
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: some of those things, and I think that a lot

1128
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: that's kind of carried on in terms of his reputation.

1129
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: But maybe a little bit on warrant. If you played well,

1130
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: you played well concerned the bad circumstances. Yeah, I agree,

1131
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: and you can't question his armtown. The guy feels a

1132
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: great ball and and frankly, I've heard the same thing

1133
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: you have from people in ariz the same thing. Yeah.

1134
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely that, yeah, that absolutely all right, let's let's jump

1135
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: at quickly to wide receivers. Not a great class. I

1136
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: don't think we'll have somebody going to top fifteen. Maybe

1137
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: you think differently. People swoon over DK metcal numbers, a

1138
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: size and a straight ahead speed. Obviously as agility joels

1139
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: weren't great. How do you see the top of this

1140
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: wide receiver class? And and how closely bunch do you

1141
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: have a lot of these guys in terms of you know,

1142
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: basically teams would pick a guy based on what role

1143
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: you need him to play. Yeah, this is an interesting

1144
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: class to me because for the past two I've often

1145
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: talked about how the big men are kind of have

1146
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: been kind of gone, and it's been a hybrid slot.

1147
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: Not this year or not this year. Now you've got

1148
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: some revenge of the big men, and I think that

1149
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: there's some really nice potential here. I mean, I I

1150
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: actually have the keen Butler at the top of my board,

1151
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: and I know that people to worry about the drops,

1152
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: but there are specific types of drops that that are okay,

1153
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: like to me, like when you have focus drops, those

1154
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: are correctable. And if you have and if you get

1155
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: a lot of volume as a receiver and you can deal,

1156
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, the coaches can deal with that a little bit.

1157
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: You're fine. You get your Brandon Marshall's, your Chatocho Sinko's,

1158
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: You're Terrell Owens type of players who can certainly dominate

1159
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: for you. So I like him. Myles Boyfen is a

1160
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: surprise guy at the top of my board as well.

1161
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: I think he was really the combine wonder because things

1162
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: that really matter to me are the twenty shuttle on

1163
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: the three cone drill and his four point oh seven

1164
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: twenty shuttle in six seven seven three cone drill. That's

1165
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,439
Speaker 1: like slot receiver type of work out of two pound guy,

1166
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: and he it shows up on the field as a

1167
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: route runner. He really tracks the ball well. A J.

1168
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: Brown to me, I'm going to use a cross sport

1169
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: Um kind of reference parallel here, but A J. Brown

1170
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of Magic Johnson he doesn't look

1171
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: like a slot receiver the way Matt Johnson then looked

1172
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: like a point guard. Um, but you could put him

1173
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: in pretty much any position that was meaningful at the

1174
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: wide receiver role, you know, whether it's slot, you know,

1175
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: whether it's more of an HVAC, whether it's an a

1176
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: flanker or split in, and he can do that work

1177
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 1: for you. And I think that's kind of like Magic

1178
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: Johnson in the way that he did that on the court.

1179
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: And Metcalf rounds out that that's here for me, you know,

1180
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: he and Deebo Samuel round out that's here for me. Um,

1181
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: Matt Capp is the class that's split in who. I

1182
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: think he just has to you know, the biggest thing

1183
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: for him is that he's so strong and so fast

1184
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: that he can win on outside routes pretty well, even

1185
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 1: against press. So you know that he's gonna get challenged

1186
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: more by physical guys in you know, in the NFL,

1187
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: and he's gonna have to prove that he can learn

1188
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: to drop his weight a little bit better so that

1189
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: he can come back on routes that like comebackers and

1190
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 1: books and girls and and maybe be able to develop

1191
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: his game a little bit more to the inside. But

1192
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: he's a little more one dimensional right now, um for

1193
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: my taste. But he's a guy that has terrific outside

1194
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: and still belongs in that top tier. So Matt, I'm

1195
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: originally from Arizona, so I have a lot of people

1196
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: out there, you know, they don't get as too excited

1197
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 1: about Arizona State football because it just hasn't been good lately.

1198
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: But um, the nick is in the keels that how

1199
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: you say his first name to kill? I just curious

1200
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: give me your take on him, because my my, my

1201
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: dad thinks he's gonna go in the first round of

1202
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: which I bet him he wasn't, so I think I

1203
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: will win that. But I just want you to know

1204
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: he's another big guy, six to pounds. What do you

1205
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: what do you know about him? I love him. I

1206
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: love I think he's a fine player and he's a

1207
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: big slot weapon and I think it's gonna earn significant

1208
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: targets both outside as a as more of a fifty

1209
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: jump all receiver and also a guy in the red zone.

1210
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: But he's not a burner, but he's really rugged in

1211
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: terms of his ability to you know, cut downhill and

1212
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: break tackle and he kind of reminds me of a

1213
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: guy who will be moved around a good bit, but

1214
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: kind of like to me, he's kind of a mix

1215
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: of guys that remind me of like Dez Bryan, Michael

1216
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: Westbrook back in the day, physical players who can win

1217
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: the ball in the air but also make plays after

1218
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: the catch. Um. You would just like to see him

1219
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: do a little bit better off stacking opponents. Um, And

1220
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, once he earned separation early on and be

1221
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more consistent in that regard. But I

1222
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: like him a lot. I think he's going to be

1223
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: an instant weapon for a team, at least as a

1224
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: contributor in a rotation. Matt final question, just in general,

1225
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: this wide receiver class, how deep do you think you're

1226
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: gonna be able to go in this draft where you

1227
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: can get somebody that can come in and help you.

1228
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: Are you looking at late round three, early day three?

1229
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: Do you think the guy is gonna be there? Because

1230
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a pretty you know, big blot

1231
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: of guys from like eight to fifteen where you know

1232
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: you can probably get a pretty good player depending on

1233
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: what you're looking for. I agree, I think there's about

1234
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: I think there's probably about twenty five guys in this

1235
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: class who could eventually develop into UM at least rotational

1236
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: contributors UM. And then I think there's guys who can

1237
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: be you know, probably in the starting rotation. There's probably

1238
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: fifteen or sixteen guys who have that potential, and one

1239
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: of them is in your backyard out of Monmouth. About

1240
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 1: Reggie White Jr. Who you know, I really liked Marvin

1241
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: Jones when he came out UM out to Cow and

1242
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: I think Reggie White Jr. Has a lot of his

1243
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: game is similar to Marvin Jones. And I wouldn't be

1244
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: surprised if, um, if you guys get to know that

1245
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 1: name pretty well in your area in the pro game. Matt,

1246
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: we appreciate it, Thank you so much. Maybe we'll try

1247
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: to squeeze in again before the drafting a little more

1248
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: in depth. I know we spent a lot of time

1249
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: in the quarterbacks because thats what every wants to hear about.

1250
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: But we really appreciate and we'll talk to you down

1251
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: the road, all right. Thank you, Thank you. Matt Walbon,

1252
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: Creative the Rookie Scouting Portfolio, Matt Walbon RSP dot com.

1253
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: Go get that and you can find his YouTube channel

1254
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: RSP scouting as well. Very interesting takes on some of

1255
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: these things. I mean, this is like out a left

1256
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: field that Will Greer is his number one guy. Um,

1257
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: but a lot of people that look at this love

1258
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: his anticipation and that's what they like about him. Sure,

1259
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: it's interesting, well, it's it's it is interesting, and it

1260
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: kind of goes back to the caller we had before.

1261
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: The segment was about you know, there's so many stuff

1262
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: that's going around here. There's there's so many games that

1263
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: are being played on this smoke screen. I think it's

1264
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: a huge, huge thing in the National Football League with teams,

1265
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, guys to not talking about somebody when they

1266
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 1: really love them, or talking about somebody that they really liked.

1267
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: What they're gonna they're never gonna take them. Look what's

1268
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: happening with the with this Arizona Cardinals and and and

1269
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray. I mean, all of a sudden, now

1270
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen shows up and now they're not talking about

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Speaker 1: it as much, you know, so who knows. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: I saw somewhere they said Josh Rosen is Condo and

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Speaker 1: I know is the Monday Morning Fall with Peter King.

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Speaker 1: You're Josh Rosen condo shopping in Virginia, meaning maybe a

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Speaker 1: train that really is there? One four five, one three.

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Speaker 1: Want to remind you that Big Book kick Off five

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Speaker 1: apt to an amazing Giants Prizes. Brandon in New Jersey?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Man's Brandon? What's up? Man? Hey? What's going on? Man?

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Brandon, short on time? I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: about the dry Go right ahead with short on time?

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Speaker 1: All right, Man, I wanted to say, like you know,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to play the GM. So this what I

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Speaker 1: would do. Man, I'll take a cash Russia in the

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Speaker 1: first round and in the second first round pick I'm

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Speaker 1: going right, Brandon, do you select players? You do not

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Speaker 1: select positions? Well, he can know you slet players you

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Speaker 1: don't select positions? Well, I mean really, I'm just no, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: it does the earth If they draft a crappy pass rush,

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Speaker 1: then you're not helping yourself. I mean what I would take.

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Speaker 1: I would take the best pass Russia in the first

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Speaker 1: round at number six. I will not take the quarter back.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the last time, we don't I don't

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Speaker 1: believe we need to take a quarter back. So I'll

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Speaker 1: take the best pass Russia available at number six, I

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Speaker 1: would take the second and in our second first round picks,

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Speaker 1: I would take the best right tackle at at that

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Speaker 1: number seven team. And then in the second and then

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Speaker 1: in the second round, I'll take the best corner in

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Speaker 1: the second round, and then the third round, I take

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Speaker 1: the best defensive tackles. In the third round, in the

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Speaker 1: fourth and then we got two fourth round picks, I

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Speaker 1: take the best linebacker, and then I'll take the best

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Speaker 1: while I received, and then the three fifth round picks,

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Speaker 1: I'll take the best free safe defensive the linebacker, and

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Speaker 1: then in the sixth rounds in the seventh round of

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Speaker 1: pass Russia. And I feel like you could feel all

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Speaker 1: the holes that we need to with all of these ticks,

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Speaker 1: and we don't need to take no quarter But sounds good, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Man, Boy guys, I mean, And so you

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Speaker 1: can't go into a draft of saying I'm picking a

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Speaker 1: guy at this position no matter what. But you can,

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Speaker 1: but you you're not supposed to. My whole point is

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Speaker 1: that if you're going to take an offensive right tackle

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Speaker 1: with your second pick, and what happens if nobody has

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Speaker 1: drafted any of the quarterbacks that we've talked about, and

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Speaker 1: there's one sitting at seventeen, you're not going to take him?

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Speaker 1: Or what if, like Oliver's sitting there, what if? What

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Speaker 1: if Bosta for some reason? Obviously this isn't gonna happen,

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Speaker 1: but at six, No, your point stands, what happens with

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Speaker 1: another pass What happens if you were deciding between two

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Speaker 1: great pass rushers at six, right, you pick one of them.

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Speaker 1: What if for some reason the other guy is still

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Speaker 1: there at seventeen you take him again? Do you take

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Speaker 1: another pass rusher? That's that's my point. You pick players.

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Speaker 1: You can't just say all right, in the second round,

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Speaker 1: picking the best corner of matter a round. What happens

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Speaker 1: it the best corner on the board in the second

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Speaker 1: round has a third round grade for you? Can I

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Speaker 1: do it unless you are Okay, so you're trading up

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Speaker 1: in the draft and go get somebody that you want.

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Speaker 1: Then you're drafting for a position. Okay, all right, Before

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Speaker 1: we get to lend, we have a new segment we're starting.

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Speaker 1: It's called the request line. So basically what we're doing

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Speaker 1: go to hashtag giants chatter hashtag request line on Twitter

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Speaker 1: sending a player you want us to talk about, and

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Speaker 1: then we're gonna talk about that what an individual player

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Speaker 1: on the show. And we'll try to do that over

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Speaker 1: the course of the next three weeks before we get

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Speaker 1: to the NFL draft A player on being drafted. So

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of way. What is the what

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Speaker 1: was it was that? That was the request line? What

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Speaker 1: is the music? What was the song that was playing?

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Speaker 1: It was the request line? Yes, yes, that's old I

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Speaker 1: knew it was old school, but I didn't know it

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Speaker 1: to be right in your reelhouse. Now, No, all right,

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Speaker 1: well today I got so many requests. Um, let's go

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Speaker 1: Drew Lock because we talked about with Matt Wallen a

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Speaker 1: little bit. He talked about it very briefly. And I

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Speaker 1: think when you look at him, big arm size. He

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Speaker 1: played in four different offensive systems in college. Um, the

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Speaker 1: first three years it was a one read system. The

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Speaker 1: last year was more of a pro system where he

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Speaker 1: made more reads and you feel like he can make

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Speaker 1: all the throws. But the consistency factor with him, Jeff

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Speaker 1: is the worry. If you only watch his good throws,

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Speaker 1: you think he's the best quarterback in the draft. If

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Speaker 1: you watch all strows, you think, oh boy, maybe this

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Speaker 1: guy's not gonna be good at all. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's the worry with him. His big arm is gonna

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Speaker 1: charm people. I think he processes okay, but I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff just gets sloppy, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you get there feeling he's the guy where perpetuating and

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Speaker 1: be like, boy, if he ever puts it all together, man,

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Speaker 1: and you just don't know if that's gonna happen. If

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Speaker 1: it does, he's gonna be great. But you just don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's going to happen, and you kind of hope,

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Speaker 1: and that's why you got to do your due diligence.

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Speaker 1: This guy is is there a possibility for all this

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Speaker 1: stuff too to get better? You know you are. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna get amazed. You're amazed by his arm strength totally.

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Speaker 1: He can throw the ball anywhere he wants. The problem

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Speaker 1: is that is he going to try to his anticipations

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Speaker 1: We talked about the earlier. The anticipation is what worries

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Speaker 1: you because that's interceptions. Okay, that's that's that's where you're

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Speaker 1: getting picked six is um I just don't know enough

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Speaker 1: about him so yeah, I mean, it'd be good to

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Speaker 1: talk about him to a one four or five one three.

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Speaker 1: That's my little scattering report again. Go to a hashtag

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Speaker 1: giants chatter hashtag request line and said that at me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, and uh, we'll try to get to as

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Speaker 1: many people as we can before the draft. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to Letting Columbia, Maryland and give me some non obvious

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01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: guys too. That makes it more funny. Go back and

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Speaker 1: watch the tape and give you my report, Lenn, wrap

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Speaker 1: us up today, big bend. How you doing, guys good?

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Speaker 1: It seems to me that's from as as far back

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Speaker 1: as January, there were four guys who we pretty consistently

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Speaker 1: talked about as as being the top four. Kay, only

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Speaker 1: you know, we get a little while throw somebody else

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Speaker 1: in there. But you know, Williams botha Alan from Kentucky

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Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray seem to be the ones that you know,

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Speaker 1: we're always in our conversation. And I think the linebacker

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Speaker 1: from l s U. I think Smith is going to

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Speaker 1: wind up being number five. And I think what we're

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Speaker 1: looking at is Ferrell or Oliver. And I'm really really tempted.

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Speaker 1: I'm with Brandon. I'm really really tempted to think about

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Speaker 1: Jowan Taylor at six and if we if we don't

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Speaker 1: get him at six, I'm praying he's there at seventeen. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: honestly from from in my opinion right now, Ferrell will

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Speaker 1: be my third guy. Uh. In terms of just pass rushers,

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Speaker 1: I think Brian Burns is a better player than he

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Speaker 1: is with side and I think Montes Sweat might be

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Speaker 1: a little bit better than him too, though I have

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Speaker 1: you know, those two guys I think are pretty close.

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Speaker 1: And this is why tough for me at six. And

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Speaker 1: I made this point earlier in the show. When I

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Speaker 1: get there at six, and let's I'm gonna take your

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Speaker 1: top four off the board because I don't know who's

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Speaker 1: gonna go fifth. These are the guys I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: all right. I'm looking at Devin White if he's still there,

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Speaker 1: and like you said, he might not be because a

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Speaker 1: lot of people haven't going to Tampa Bay. I like

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Speaker 1: Devin White, I like at Oliver. He's in the mix

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Speaker 1: for me. Brian Burns and those pass rushes you talked about.

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Speaker 1: Jawan Taylor's in the mix for me there too, just

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Speaker 1: like you mentioned. And that's five or six guys right

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Speaker 1: there that you're talking about at six, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's a real, real tough decision. And Haskins I'll throw

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Speaker 1: into the mix too. I forgot about him. And those

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Speaker 1: are the guys where I'm like, you know what, I

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Speaker 1: understand why you would pick any of those five or

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Speaker 1: six guys, which is frankly, when I get the six

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Speaker 1: and if the guys we talked about are all gone,

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping somebody has given me a call so I

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Speaker 1: can move down to ten or eleven and pick there. Interesting. Interesting, Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm right now I'm zeroing in on either either

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Speaker 1: thorough Um or or Oliver at that At that point,

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Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by Burns, guys. I'm really intrigued by Burns.

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Speaker 1: But oh man, sixth pick, I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: can do that, but I can sure do that on

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Speaker 1: a guy who's played right tackle for four years at

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Speaker 1: the college and here's the big time college and is

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Speaker 1: of the size of of you know what, juwan um,

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Speaker 1: I think that would be a good pick. Hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: a quick one on the ESPN story. Um read the

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Speaker 1: forty niners. Uh, you know the rumor of of the Fortins. Um.

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Speaker 1: They may be able to say that today, but I'm

1439
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: not sure they could write down some names or some

1440
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Speaker 1: question one of the important factors guy and guys, and

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Speaker 1: it would be tough to get me off this point.

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01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: I just think the Giants took the best offer they

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Speaker 1: could get before the league season started. I just don't

1444
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Speaker 1: think they wanted this guy in that building on March

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Speaker 1: first year, the first day of the new year league,

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Speaker 1: new league year. Excuse me, and um, I think they

1447
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Speaker 1: probably felt the same way about Collins. They just didn't

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Speaker 1: want these guys in the building. So they took the best.

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Speaker 1: They took the best they could they could get, and hey,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Let's hope it works out. Thank you, Lynd. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think there was a threshold though, you know what

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01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there was no I think there was a

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Speaker 1: threshold on back them too, Like I don't think like

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Speaker 1: like if they field that five offers and anythink any

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Speaker 1: five were good enough, they would have just said, all right,

1456
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Speaker 1: this is the best one. Let's just take it that

1457
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Speaker 1: that threshold, Yes, I think there was a threshold there, like, look,

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Speaker 1: we need to get what we have a we have

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Speaker 1: a we have a line all right, you need to

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Speaker 1: get past that line in order to make it worth

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Speaker 1: it for us to trade this guy. Somebody crossed the

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Speaker 1: line and they said, Okay, now we think we're getting

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Speaker 1: good value back. And this I don't know the truth

1464
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Speaker 1: to this, but the year before maybe it was spoken

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Speaker 1: about or talked about about what we could get for

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01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: Odell and there wasn't. The price of evidently was two

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Speaker 1: and didn't get anybody excited about that. And then then

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Speaker 1: the year later they get there where they wanted. So

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Speaker 1: it happened. Now Collins, there was a monetary threshold there

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Speaker 1: there you are that they didn't want to pay him

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Speaker 1: the money. And you know what, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people, when you look at the deal that Collins got,

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01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: people were very surprised that he got that much money.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's amazing how much how he he

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Speaker 1: backed the truck up in Washington and he got it.

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Speaker 1: He did. Everybody. Thanks for joining us on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Big Blue Kick Off Live presented by Corps Light.

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Speaker 1: For Jeff Eagles, I am John Schmilk. Will be back

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Speaker 1: with you in Nowton tomorrow as we continue to get

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Speaker 1: ready for the two thousand and ninety NFL Draft Thank

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Speaker 1: you to our guest Benjamin Slack from the Draft Network

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Speaker 1: and Matt Waldman, who you just heard talking about the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and the wide receivers in the class. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time JAS dot com. Everybody have a great day.