Speaker 1: Every day waiting.
Speaker 2: Breakfast club finish, y'all done morning.
Speaker 3: Everybody is d j en Vy just hilarious.
Speaker 4: Charlamagne the guy. We are the breakfast club Longla Roses
Speaker 4: here as well. We got a special guest in the building. Indeed,
Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Season welcome.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: How you feel?
Speaker 1: Nobody yourself gets it? I'm great, I'm great. I I
Speaker 1: just got out of four eight hours of uh stomach
Speaker 1: not stomach flu. What's the other one?
Speaker 2: Bad?
Speaker 1: Bad sandwich? I feel I feel renewed. I feel like
Speaker 1: a new person. Oh yeah, you show.
Speaker 3: It wasn't the stomach, but you know, the stomach virus
Speaker 3: was going around.
Speaker 1: I've been hearing about that, but it was like a
Speaker 1: day a day.
Speaker 3: That's the same thing.
Speaker 2: What a talented R and B singer you are?
Speaker 3: You are absolutely.
Speaker 5: I was listening to the Sun of Spurgey album for
Speaker 5: first I explained the title son a spur Spurgy is
Speaker 5: how he pronounce it, spurgy.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's my dad's. My dad's nickname is from Jamaica.
Speaker 1: He likes to anytime he's talking, he'll he'll go into
Speaker 1: a sermon at any moment. As a famous preacher called
Speaker 1: Charles Spurgeon, so they called him Spurgi when he was young.
Speaker 4: I want to I want to go back a little
Speaker 4: bit if y'all don't mind for people that don't know
Speaker 4: who Daniel sees there is. Uh, you're from Canada, and
Speaker 4: tell tell everybody how you got.
Speaker 3: Into the music industry and and.
Speaker 4: Your background, your your father you said, is Jamaican, and
Speaker 4: break it down a little bit for people that don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my my my dad was a singer back in
Speaker 1: Montego Bay. When he was singing. No well, I mean
Speaker 1: he always sang in the church since she was little.
Speaker 1: My grandmother heard that he could sing from school and
Speaker 1: she's like, if you're not singing church, on beat your ass.
Speaker 1: So uh, but he was like doing dinner music and
Speaker 1: stuff at hotels. You're making tourism industry. And so he
Speaker 1: ends up in Canada, meets my mom from Barbados and
Speaker 1: both me and Canada and uh, and then I'm like
Speaker 1: singing when I was little, it's kind of just it's
Speaker 1: kind of just all. I used to just run around
Speaker 1: the house, used to play by myself a lot. I
Speaker 1: would just like sprint up and down the house and
Speaker 1: I'd be singing to myself or whatever. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: and then high school came around and they start smoking
Speaker 1: weed and going friends have studios and it's a long story.
Speaker 1: It's a long story. But yeah, around like high school,
Speaker 1: I got kicked out of school and I was like,
Speaker 1: it was around that time where I was like, the
Speaker 1: way this whole thing is set up, like I'm not
Speaker 1: about to I hate school. I'm really bad at school.
Speaker 1: I don't enjoy school. And then I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, one day I'm gonna finish school and then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to get a job. And that's like
Speaker 1: school too. So I'm like, am I gonna do this
Speaker 1: the rest of my life? And I would rather die?
Speaker 2: Jes Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: No, I'm serious, though, I saw I.
Speaker 2: Really feel like that. You feel like that at the
Speaker 2: time you don't want to die?
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't know. I didn't mean that literally,
Speaker 1: I would rather die. I don't want to die. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do what I want. It's yeah, doing what I love.
Speaker 1: I don't just want to die for no. No, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna make me do something I don't want to do,
Speaker 1: I'll give you liberty or give me death. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean that revolution though not like you know,
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes being alive is a revolutionary act. That is, like,
Speaker 1: you know, he don't want you. They're trying to control you,
Speaker 1: r make you be something that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So is it.
Speaker 4: True that your dad kicked you out the house and
Speaker 4: that's when you really took it serious.
Speaker 1: No, my dad did not kick me out of the house.
Speaker 1: When my dad did, which I respect as time passed,
Speaker 1: of course, he was like, you're not just gonna sit
Speaker 1: around here and and sing songs and not go to university.
Speaker 3: And he had a heavy Jamaican accent, I'm sure, so.
Speaker 1: It was only when he's angry. He actually has a
Speaker 1: great telephone voice forgetting and stuff like that. Yeah, He's like,
Speaker 1: you're not just gonna sit around here in my house
Speaker 1: and like not participate in this world that's going on
Speaker 1: outside the way that we think you should. So I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, then I'll you know, he's very
Speaker 1: strong willed. I'm also very strong willed, so I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll live outside. It's honestly, you know what's crazy. I
Speaker 1: think if I was alive, like I don't know, five
Speaker 1: hundred years ago, I would have been like a pirate
Speaker 1: or a vagabond or something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But you would to be homeless.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be homeless. I just didn't want
Speaker 1: to do anything that I didn't want to do.
Speaker 2: Where you did you leave the house and go be
Speaker 2: homeless though?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the streets. I was like CouchSurfing. You
Speaker 1: have friends and then there's always a home to It's
Speaker 1: just like I was very strong willed, so it's like
Speaker 1: there's always a home to go back to, but I
Speaker 1: have to go back under my father's rules, my father's
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I respect it respecfully.
Speaker 2: You have a homeless aesthetic.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's probably a thing going on.
Speaker 6: No, it's definitely not your hair. I love it hair.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, I did it on purpose.
Speaker 6: You are not strong willed. You are stubborn. That's what
Speaker 6: it was.
Speaker 7: You're stubborn as hell because you Joe, how old were
Speaker 7: you when you when your dad gave you that ultimatum?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 8: Seventeen, Okay, that's around the age where you like think you.
Speaker 1: I mean, from my perspective, it turns out I didn't know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Because it was wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, gotcha, And I believe and I also believe
Speaker 1: like they raised, they didn't raise a dummy, right, So
Speaker 1: it's kind of like I think everybody deep down knows
Speaker 1: what they should be doing, and then the universe is
Speaker 1: going to keep throwing things at you to suggest that
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be doing that to scare you. And like
Speaker 1: being homeless or being poor is very scary.
Speaker 2: Did you sing for like change?
Speaker 1: No? No, it was amazing. I don't want to throw
Speaker 1: it over dramatized. I had. I was a dishwasher.
Speaker 9: I think he went on on his own and figured
Speaker 9: it out, figured it out.
Speaker 5: But I want to hear about the signs that told
Speaker 5: you you should be singing. I know the signs that
Speaker 5: you know told you the things you shouldn't have been doing,
Speaker 5: But what were the signs that showed you you should
Speaker 5: be singing?
Speaker 1: My I remember, and I went to like this boarding school,
Speaker 1: like Christian Academy, and so on Friday nights it was
Speaker 1: seven day Adventists. So on Friday nights we would have vespers,
Speaker 1: kind of like Shabbat sort of situation. And I remember
Speaker 1: it was around that time when I was like all right,
Speaker 1: I used to play sports and I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm not that great at sports. So I started singing
Speaker 1: and playing the piano and they had me perform at
Speaker 1: Vespers and I sang this song and I'd not even joke.
Speaker 1: I feel like thirty percent of the of the people
Speaker 1: in the audience were like sobbing and it was cool.
Speaker 1: It was very and it was like guys girls, some
Speaker 1: guys who their whole thing was like I'm tough, you know,
Speaker 1: like whatever. And I was like, oh, this is this
Speaker 1: is interesting, you know, like the power was was. I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this is what I'm good at. I'm
Speaker 1: useful at this. I'm valuable when I do this, So
Speaker 1: why not just do this so I can feel valuable
Speaker 1: all the time, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Did your pops when did your pops come back and
Speaker 4: be like you made the right decision? Or has that
Speaker 4: not happened yet?
Speaker 1: It has? And I mean probably, like I've played some
Speaker 1: pretty big shows, you know, they were at Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 1: That was one of them. Probably when we did in
Speaker 1: Toronto Budweiser Stadium or not stadium's out of stadium. It's
Speaker 1: a amphitheater. But it was just all those people singing
Speaker 1: the songs in here there he was like, Okay, I got.
Speaker 2: It now, and you honored him.
Speaker 5: You honored him, you know, by naming your albums on
Speaker 5: the spurge his face on the cover.
Speaker 2: How does he feel about that?
Speaker 1: You know what? He's so, he's just such an interesting guy.
Speaker 1: He's so cool. But what he did. I put out
Speaker 1: a letter talking about my experience with him before that
Speaker 1: came out, and that was the thing that really got
Speaker 1: him emotionally. But he's you know what I mean, He's
Speaker 1: not like, yeah, your dad, Yeah you should spell time
Speaker 1: you put me on.
Speaker 5: You know, You've been very open about like your struggles
Speaker 5: with identity and faith and self worth. I wonder, at
Speaker 5: this point in your life, who is Daniel Cesar still
Speaker 5: unlearning to be?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I've been thinking that a lot lately. I
Speaker 1: internalize everything, so that's kind of how I moved to
Speaker 1: the world. I kind of. I think it's like, because
Speaker 1: my dad is such a he's an immovable force. So
Speaker 1: if I want something and I want to change his mind,
Speaker 1: you just can't. So You're like, when people exhibit behaviors
Speaker 1: around me and the world, I just assume that that's
Speaker 1: who they are. I don't like I don't believe in like, hey,
Speaker 1: what you did made me feel this way, and maybe
Speaker 1: you could change it, but know that's who you are.
Speaker 1: I'm either gonna and then it's like I don't like that,
Speaker 1: because then the next time you do it, I either
Speaker 1: have to be like, all right, I guess I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna take it now, or I'm eventually I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: have to separate from you, you know, So that sort
Speaker 1: of confrontation, it's like people are gonna be who they
Speaker 1: are until you decide what you're gonna do about it.
Speaker 1: And there's violence, or there's emotional violence, or there's running
Speaker 1: away detachment or detachment. And so I just always kind
Speaker 1: of went through the world like some people are like this,
Speaker 1: some people are like that. Then you internalize it and
Speaker 1: then I put the responsibility on myself. How am I
Speaker 1: going to get around this? How am I going to
Speaker 1: not let that stop me from where I'm trying to go.
Speaker 1: But then you don't realize what you sacrifice in yourself
Speaker 1: by not addressing some things when they happen in front
Speaker 1: of you, you know what I mean. And it's like
Speaker 1: and then you were like I am a crash out,
Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes it kind of just jumps out
Speaker 1: of me at the wrong times because I'm not addressing
Speaker 1: the things when I'm supposed to address them.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And then you're just like and sometimes and then you
Speaker 1: you think that makes you a good person by not
Speaker 1: trying to control other people, and then the way it
Speaker 1: becomes too much and then you you you crash out,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, damn, I wonder how many times
Speaker 1: I've hurt people that I care about because I was
Speaker 1: living my life in this way that I thought was right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because it usually you you
Speaker 1: go to work, then your your your asshole boss or
Speaker 1: whatever is is putting a shit on you, and then
Speaker 1: you take it and then you go home and then
Speaker 1: your kid asks you for the new PlayStation and you
Speaker 1: yell at him, you know. And so it's just kind
Speaker 1: of like the context of the world we live in.
Speaker 1: It's just like it is capitalism. It is like somebody's
Speaker 1: somebody's got to get screwed at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: It's exploitation. This whole shit is built off of exploitation.
Speaker 1: Someone's got to get it, and usually it's the weakest,
Speaker 1: most genuine, kindest, friendliest person I.
Speaker 5: Wonder why you internalize I guess other people's bullshit because
Speaker 5: you know, I love the Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz,
Speaker 5: and one of his agreements is don't take anything personally
Speaker 5: because usually when somebody does some bullshit and you would
Speaker 5: have nothing to do with you and exactly what you
Speaker 5: just said, something that's going on with them.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. But then sometimes it's also like pattern recognition,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Like why do you keep attracting these type of people?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like what about me? Makes it feel like
Speaker 1: because I because it's it's almost naivete where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: if I go around through the world and I treat
Speaker 1: people with respect, then people will respect me. Right? Is
Speaker 1: not how it works? And then you're like, oh no,
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to make people scared of you, and
Speaker 1: it's it's a Machiavellian like fear is stronger than love.
Speaker 8: You know, is there a part of it too that
Speaker 8: like maybe is there like a longing for something from
Speaker 8: those people? Because like you mentioned patterns, and are those
Speaker 8: patterns hurting you when you continue to see them happening
Speaker 8: because you're trying to figure out why you're not worthy
Speaker 8: of that changing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was very good.
Speaker 8: I think because you mentioned your relationship with your dad
Speaker 8: a lot. Yeah, and in your letter you talk about
Speaker 8: how he would warn you through he would talk to
Speaker 8: you through stories and warn you about how the world was,
Speaker 8: and he's like very stern and very strong. Somewhere in
Speaker 8: there it feels like, you know, there was a longing
Speaker 8: for something that you wanted from him, that he tried
Speaker 8: to give you, but it wasn't the way you did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is the oldest story, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's just but this, this record one hundred percent true,
Speaker 1: and this record is kind of just like I know
Speaker 1: that man very well, and in all things, he tries
Speaker 1: very hard, you know what I mean. He's a very
Speaker 1: principal man. He's an honest man. But just some things, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: get into it. They are just some things, you know,
Speaker 1: like Dad's dry, but there's just some things that Okay,
Speaker 1: my actual this is all connected, I promise well, my actual,
Speaker 1: real theory or real beef is just like, does it
Speaker 1: ever feel like like the the way that we structure
Speaker 1: societies in the West, the nuclear family, does it ever
Speaker 1: feel like that's not natural? So people like like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, all the all the people
Speaker 1: that I know that are good at monogamy, are good
Speaker 1: at you know, just that sort of nuclear family, are white,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I'm just I'm not, what do
Speaker 1: you mean? You know all the people I'm talking about
Speaker 1: personally through my life, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: so this this excites this topic excitement, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: it's so much responsibility to put on one man in
Speaker 1: a house to be like, well, for I'm speaking about
Speaker 1: for me, Yeah, I would say to be faithful.
Speaker 2: I'm thirty thirty, Ok, you got a different type of
Speaker 2: diicted us.
Speaker 1: Oh well that's but that's what I'm saying. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: it's like your your your faith with that man now now.
Speaker 1: But but there was a time you're you're supposed to provide.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to go out and deal with all the
Speaker 1: ship in the world that you're protecting your family from
Speaker 1: your girls. You're supposed to go out provide, protect you
Speaker 1: with all this ship, protect and someone gets to tell
Speaker 1: you what you can and can't do with your dick
Speaker 1: as well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like, I don't think it's about somebody telling you what
Speaker 5: you can and can't do when you, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: decide to make vows with a woman and you tell God,
Speaker 5: this is the woman that I want to spend the
Speaker 5: rest of my life with and be faithful.
Speaker 2: You made that commitment.
Speaker 1: Exactly, which is why. And I have a woman in
Speaker 1: my life that I that I love and I care
Speaker 1: about very much. But if she feels irresponded, No, she's not.
Speaker 1: She's not. But it feels very irresponsible of me to
Speaker 1: make that promise because yeah, I don't think so. I'm like,
Speaker 1: am I gonna be ready when I'm fifty? Where?
Speaker 2: Am I?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: But that's the way we should be, and most most
Speaker 4: people our age wish we would have been that honest
Speaker 4: long time ago.
Speaker 2: That's a level of emotional intelligence a lot of us
Speaker 2: didn't have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I just I just think, I just think,
Speaker 1: like so much in the society in which we live
Speaker 1: is counterintuitive. I'm like, what were we doing before imperialless,
Speaker 1: before colonialization, when we were you know, wherever we were
Speaker 1: on the on the globe, living unbothered by anybody trying
Speaker 1: to take her, exploit or do anything. Is this how
Speaker 1: we set up our families and how we set up
Speaker 1: our communities one children, house, neighbors, stay for there, don't
Speaker 1: talk to strangers, like you know, all this sort of
Speaker 1: is Is this natural?
Speaker 6: Is this the way we use like isolation?
Speaker 1: It's so isolated. You know, you're a you're in a
Speaker 1: home in the suburbs and you have a car and
Speaker 1: you have a backyard and all this ship is happening
Speaker 1: in everybody's homes and we're supposed to go out and
Speaker 1: like not talk to each other. Look how kids behave
Speaker 1: they're my mom takes pills to go this. They're at
Speaker 1: the at the park talking about my mom does this.
Speaker 1: They want to connect, they want to go out and whatever,
Speaker 1: and we're we train them from young No, your neighbor's
Speaker 1: not your friend. That's the thing these societies. There's too
Speaker 1: many people and you get on the bus and you
Speaker 1: might get stabbed in your neck or something like because
Speaker 1: there's no trust because everybody you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: As you talked about intellectualizing spirit, and I think that's
Speaker 5: what you're doing right now. You're you're intellectualizing your spirit
Speaker 5: when you should just feel.
Speaker 2: If what you feel is true to you, then let
Speaker 2: that be cool.
Speaker 5: If you don't feel like you're ready to settle down
Speaker 5: with one woman at thirty.
Speaker 2: It's okay, and be honest with that woman. There's nothing
Speaker 2: wrong with that.
Speaker 6: Think is more than that though for you. I think
Speaker 6: it's the whole.
Speaker 7: It's deep there, it gets.
Speaker 1: It was honestly, it was. It was great. It was
Speaker 1: a Caribbean household, you know what I mean. But it
Speaker 1: was like, do you know what the thing was? Because
Speaker 1: I have the same experience as so many other people
Speaker 1: that look like me. I was the one Caribbean household
Speaker 1: on us. I grew up on this this this private
Speaker 1: high school academy. My parents, my dad worked there. Right,
Speaker 1: this was a white school, white town, white white, white, white, white,
Speaker 1: white white. And so I'm the old Caribbean family on
Speaker 1: this street where all the rich white kids live. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they weren't even they weren't even rich. It just felt
Speaker 1: like they were rich because they all had cottages and
Speaker 1: ship but they were everyone's making the same amount of
Speaker 1: money and yeah, and so it's it's it's purely just
Speaker 1: like everyone. Everyone gets beat as a kid, but like
Speaker 1: when you live on that street, you're the only one
Speaker 1: that gets beat, you know, And then all these things
Speaker 1: feel so much more egregious because of because of proximity
Speaker 1: to what everyone's living like around you, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 4: And old was your dad was your household growing up
Speaker 4: tight holeshole was just your mom and your dad.
Speaker 3: And you've seen that union that you're looking.
Speaker 1: For hundred per but I also see what is sacrificed
Speaker 1: in oneself to sustain that.
Speaker 5: So you have conversations with your father though, like about
Speaker 5: like about that. Have you had conversations Did he tell
Speaker 5: you that he was paid with his wife?
Speaker 1: I mean I was happy, yeah, but it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of like there are just some things sometimes I look
Speaker 1: at like you like like Mary couples and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: if it almost feels like a like a big conspiracy
Speaker 1: where it's just like we're married, so of course we're
Speaker 1: happy because we're married, and everyone should want marriage. The
Speaker 1: whole soul society is structured, is based off of people
Speaker 1: getting married, having families, going out to their job and
Speaker 1: what you know what I mean, even if you're not,
Speaker 1: it's like the reality is like as as over time
Speaker 1: as women get more rights in society, divorce goes up.
Speaker 1: So it's like everybody's happy, but it's everybody happy. Everybody's
Speaker 1: getting divorced. My parents are still together, mind you, and
Speaker 1: they love each other and they respect each other. But
Speaker 1: I just sometimes I think and I'm just like I know,
Speaker 1: and I'm the same as my dad. Sometimes it's like
Speaker 1: he's he's bound by honor. He's a man of his word,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so it's like you
Speaker 1: are my kids. I'm not going to run out on you,
Speaker 1: but you can't. You can't lie about what's going on
Speaker 1: on in your head, Like when you come home and
Speaker 1: you're like, bro, this ship again, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm doing the job because I'm bound by
Speaker 1: honor to do the job, but I would rather be
Speaker 1: out being a person, being free right around.
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying. I mean, marriage is all work,
Speaker 2: like nobody said it was.
Speaker 5: I think when you have and you have conversations with
Speaker 5: married couples like, yeah, it's hard, it's tough, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 5: You're gonna have your good days.
Speaker 6: But you have to want to do it.
Speaker 2: You gotta want to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And for me, you, I have dedicated my life
Speaker 1: to making art, and sometimes it feels as though it's
Speaker 1: like they're kind.
Speaker 3: Of yeah, you're very young.
Speaker 4: But you know what, somebody said this to me yesterday,
Speaker 4: right they were doing my kids here and she said,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm.
Speaker 3: Surprised to see you like this with your kids.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, what does that mean? She was like,
Speaker 4: I do things here all the time, and usually the
Speaker 4: breadwinners make money. When they come home, they go in
Speaker 4: their little cocoon and they don't want to their kids.
Speaker 4: It was like, but you help your kids with homerate,
Speaker 4: you pick them up, you take them to dance, you this,
Speaker 4: that and the other. Because I have a responsibility to
Speaker 4: my kids.
Speaker 2: I love them.
Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like a job. It doesn't feel like
Speaker 4: I'm coming home and oh the fuck I gotta do
Speaker 4: this again. No, that's why I had those kids. That's
Speaker 4: why I love those kids. There are some people that
Speaker 4: feel differently and say, you know what, I'm more into
Speaker 4: my art. I need to create. You take care of
Speaker 4: the kids. But those are the kids that are usually
Speaker 4: you know, don't have a father, need a father figure,
Speaker 4: have those type of traumas, and have those type of problems.
Speaker 4: I care more about raising those kids than any art form,
Speaker 4: than any type of money, than anything like that. But
Speaker 4: I see that. But that's the commitment that I made
Speaker 4: to my family. I didn't have to I didn't have
Speaker 4: to have those kids. You didn't have to have kids
Speaker 4: or whatever it may be. But once you make that
Speaker 4: commitment to have that child or that relationship as a man,
Speaker 4: you talk about Anna, you should do it right.
Speaker 7: Well, let me know if you need another hairdstyllars of
Speaker 7: them kidscause she wasn't supposed to say that to you.
Speaker 7: I'm surprised that you ain't here like that too.
Speaker 5: You know when you bring Menican kids who are like
Speaker 5: a black you know.
Speaker 8: Before we get off this topic, right, because this whole
Speaker 8: conversation reminds me of a sinse of a father the
Speaker 8: song that you in your project with. In that project,
Speaker 8: you say dad would forgetful. He promised a lot. I
Speaker 8: think thankfully he never got called. Then you talk about
Speaker 8: forgetting someone's birthday and someone saying I'm sorry, dear, and
Speaker 8: you're struggling between the love and honor that your your
Speaker 8: actual father has and the love and honor that the
Speaker 8: father above is.
Speaker 9: Like you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 9: So was your dad not like how Envy is describing
Speaker 9: he was? Is that were some of this like.
Speaker 3: Like that that's what made me like that exactly.
Speaker 1: And my dad's dad was an orphan from like from
Speaker 1: the slums of Jamaica. The man suffered I could. I
Speaker 1: can't around that time, especially with the British over there
Speaker 1: fucking doing whatever the British do. The the level of
Speaker 1: abuse that he sustained, I'm sure is horrible, you know,
Speaker 1: And so sometimes I'm just like, no, my out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, he probably forgot my birthday. My mom wouldn't
Speaker 1: forget my birthday. No no, no, no, not like are you
Speaker 1: only child? No no, no, I got four brothers, three brothers.
Speaker 1: But he my One of my favorite stories with my
Speaker 1: dad is telling me about what the time that his mom.
Speaker 1: He's like at the dinner table with his mom. She's like,
Speaker 1: was it your birthday last week or something like that,
Speaker 1: and my dad was like, oh, yeah, I guess it
Speaker 1: was my birthday, you know what I mean. And it's
Speaker 1: such a small little thing, but You're like, damn, and
Speaker 1: my family we're not a birthday family. And I always,
Speaker 1: like with girlfriends and stuff, I like Christmas birthdays. I
Speaker 1: resent that's like because I will buy you. Sometimes I'll
Speaker 1: be out and I'll see something that makes me think
Speaker 1: of you, and I'll be like, I love this girl
Speaker 1: so much, I'm gonna get this for it right now.
Speaker 1: But when birthday comes, don't don't look at me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because it's just like I'm not
Speaker 1: subscribing to this.
Speaker 2: I don't like the expectations.
Speaker 5: No, I do this all year round, Like why do
Speaker 5: I have to do it on this specific way?
Speaker 2: Maybe not for birthday, but definitely for Christmas.
Speaker 1: I feel that way exactly. I don't like the I
Speaker 1: just don't like that. It's it's there's so many variables
Speaker 1: and exterior pressures on us all the times, and I
Speaker 1: get I'm clearly like I get a little neurotic and
Speaker 1: like I'll like follow a train of thought like very
Speaker 1: very deep, and but you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, like who are we, you.
Speaker 1: Know, especially because all the systems that we exist in,
Speaker 1: like we are the least valuable people in those systems,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like I resent
Speaker 1: all these systems, all these structures, and so me doing
Speaker 1: whatever the I want and saying things and and I
Speaker 1: can be very obnoxious. I can be very irritating and
Speaker 1: annoying sometimes, but it's just like, like how this if
Speaker 1: you start sometimes just being whoever you are is the
Speaker 1: is the act of is the rebellion or is the
Speaker 1: revolutionary act? It's just like you want me to be this.
Speaker 1: I look like this, so I have to talk like
Speaker 1: this and dress like this. No, bro, it's a little weird.
Speaker 1: But he's cool, you know what I mean, that's all.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't even label you we exactly well I have,
Speaker 5: I mean who you are, and I appreciate that you
Speaker 5: He just healed something in me, right, he is definitely
Speaker 5: think people who call people weird they don't really know themselves.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: At least I've never gonna use that word to you. Ever,
Speaker 2: I'm very descriptive.
Speaker 5: I'm very specific. Okay, what part of Daniel ses you do?
Speaker 5: Fans still misunderstand the most?
Speaker 2: And is that your fault?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is my fault, and definitely my my cynicism
Speaker 1: into humor, you know, or just by yeah, I was
Speaker 1: starting with my cynicism and my sense of humor. Where
Speaker 1: it's like like something that happened a couple of months ago,
Speaker 1: you know, when when Trump and the Ice things first
Speaker 1: started happening. You know, a couple of weeks before.
Speaker 2: You have some concern because Jamaica by Beatos Canada. You
Speaker 2: just weren't sure.
Speaker 1: Shut up, man, I got a great visa, man, I think,
Speaker 1: But I mean he's also who nobody's safe, right? But
Speaker 1: but no, do you remember when when Trump's Instagram first
Speaker 1: started to really get crazy and it was a decade
Speaker 1: at least for me, when I saw this like AI
Speaker 1: image with the trains, with the planes and the trains
Speaker 1: and no with the the let's start deportations now or
Speaker 1: something like that, and me I saw that and I
Speaker 1: was like, whoa, this is really crazy. What are we
Speaker 1: living in? Like what is this? And it was It's
Speaker 1: funny to me, It's objectively funny. And I get some
Speaker 1: people will see that. They'll see me like the post
Speaker 1: or something, and they're like this guy, you know, And
Speaker 1: I completely get that. I've kind of had to. I
Speaker 1: don't have the processing power, the mental processing power too
Speaker 1: in all moments of my life think about what the
Speaker 1: Internet will think about what I do and then move accordingly.
Speaker 1: It's just too it's too much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't have to like it, Like you can
Speaker 5: mentally look at something you know and see all the
Speaker 5: nuance of it, right, know that it's some bullshit, but
Speaker 5: also maybe kind of find it funny.
Speaker 2: But you don't have to like it, Like you said
Speaker 2: you don't like systems.
Speaker 1: So who said no? When I say, I mean press
Speaker 1: the like button?
Speaker 2: But who said you got to do that? You're only
Speaker 2: doing that because it's there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you wanted to.
Speaker 3: Know that you like it or like do you just no.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no, I just I almost like use
Speaker 1: social media sometimes like a boom or like I am.
Speaker 1: One of the New Year's things that I'm doing is
Speaker 1: I'm getting a life phone because I am like with
Speaker 1: my phone it's too much. If I see it and
Speaker 1: I think it's funny, I press like and I keep scrolling.
Speaker 2: Because it's not even.
Speaker 1: Yeah well yeah no, I was preyed upon by the
Speaker 1: It's I'm dopamine. I am an addict. That is in
Speaker 1: my like I am. I have that type of personality.
Speaker 1: I'm an addict. So if you get if you make
Speaker 1: me feel good, then then you're in there. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's that's that's another thing in
Speaker 1: you know, growing up becoming a man, where it's just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they're be set by evil on all sides.
Speaker 1: Like if I don't exercise self discipline, I'm cooked, you know, aware,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I try else for a dude
Speaker 1: down here, you know, I.
Speaker 4: Want to I want to talk about have a by
Speaker 4: me before.
Speaker 1: I just I wanted to be clear that my that
Speaker 1: my dad is like he's a He loved us very much,
Speaker 1: and he was very kind and very gentle. And when
Speaker 1: I hear stories about his upbringing, he went from here
Speaker 1: to here. That's all I just I'm just very sensitive
Speaker 1: and so whatever it was, you know, but.
Speaker 9: He agreed as a man, not as your dad exactly.
Speaker 2: You know. The one more quick thing cleared us up.
Speaker 2: Do you support Trump? No?
Speaker 1: I think he's hilarious, and I think that America. I
Speaker 1: think Trump is the president that he I think Trump
Speaker 1: was inevitable and I think what he's what ice is
Speaker 1: going on? Yeah, this is this is how the country started.
Speaker 1: It's a criminal ass, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: was eventually going to get here, and now it's like.
Speaker 2: Trump is the Frankenstein Monster of white.
Speaker 1: Supremacist exactly exactly. And now it's like now there's I
Speaker 1: used to shooting white ladies. Now everyone's scared. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. This was always eventually these systems that
Speaker 1: it's like, oh no, they're over in Africa. Fu them,
Speaker 1: you know they're over in over there. Fuck them now,
Speaker 1: they're now they're shooting suburban white ladies. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: You should unlike the post.
Speaker 1: But and you know what, and here comes the main
Speaker 1: flaw in my character. Don't tell me what, don't tell
Speaker 1: what to do, and don't try and don't try it right,
Speaker 1: and I will the universe God will, I will, I
Speaker 1: will suffer. And I have.
Speaker 9: Get a phone like a phone where it's.
Speaker 1: A light phone. No, it's like no apps. I just
Speaker 1: need to get off. Yeah, it's like you can get
Speaker 1: music and you can get maps.
Speaker 2: You know what you should do?
Speaker 5: Don't give me a hundred thousand dollars, don't.
Speaker 2: You should not do.
Speaker 1: Don't give me you can program that into my brain
Speaker 1: while giving me dopamine, then that would work.
Speaker 3: Don't give me a million dollars.
Speaker 9: Do you needs dope?
Speaker 3: Mother?
Speaker 2: Don't give me.
Speaker 8: So okay, So, because you said you don't like to
Speaker 8: be told what not to do, right, but you're getting
Speaker 8: this phone that doesn't have these apps because you're getting
Speaker 8: the backlash to the things that you're doing exactly.
Speaker 1: So it's like I am putting I have to put
Speaker 1: up the parameters for myself. I am gonna just whatever.
Speaker 1: It's the same with dealing with money. I have to
Speaker 1: set up things with my business manager because I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 6: You know yourself that I.
Speaker 1: Got to put myself in my own cage. Somebody else
Speaker 1: will put me in a case. Good.
Speaker 8: The yes Jewels moment kind of get you here too, Yeah,
Speaker 8: yes Jewels moment.
Speaker 1: Oh it's iconic.
Speaker 8: Okay, I didn't know you were iconic, but so, yes
Speaker 8: Jewels was People were coming for her because she had
Speaker 8: posted that T shirt that or it came back up
Speaker 8: the niggas lie a Lot T shirt and then she.
Speaker 3: She wore a T shirt that said niggas lie.
Speaker 8: She had tweets she had posted the shirt, and people
Speaker 8: were coming for her, just talking about the whole cultural
Speaker 8: appropriation thing like they always do with her and oh white,
Speaker 8: Yeah she's white, and you got online in a drunk
Speaker 8: rint and you basically said people should leave her alone.
Speaker 8: She should be able to say what she wants to say.
Speaker 8: Because we're mean to people, but we act like we
Speaker 8: don't understand why people have a reaction. I can read
Speaker 8: your words, veriato. But that was me summarizing it.
Speaker 1: No one, and I mean, this is great. It was
Speaker 1: it was I internalize everything, and that's that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I internalize everything. You guys should
Speaker 1: internalize everything, and then you'll get all this and all
Speaker 1: this is nothing.
Speaker 2: I disagree. I don't like, yeah you don't.
Speaker 1: No no no no no no no no no, but
Speaker 1: I agree. But that that was where that was coming from.
Speaker 1: That's what that was. And on and for years after,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's like, these things aren't
Speaker 1: gonna boo me out of nothing. No, this is I
Speaker 1: believe that, and I still believe it. And as time
Speaker 1: is passed, I'm like, oh they were, No, they were
Speaker 1: one hundred percent right. That is what you when you
Speaker 1: accept this type of behavior from people that throughout history
Speaker 1: have exemplified to you that they hate you, and then
Speaker 1: you accept the behavior to get out of the circumstances
Speaker 1: that you're in. You are giving up. You were giving up.
Speaker 1: It's it's undignified. You're giving up your own dignity, which
Speaker 1: I never really it never crossed my mind, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because it was just kind of like
Speaker 1: the way it when I say survival, it's not like
Speaker 1: I ever feared for my life or anything like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it was just like
Speaker 1: growing up I had to be personally the way that
Speaker 1: I moved to the world was like, yeah, bro, white
Speaker 1: people are like, you know what I mean, That's just
Speaker 1: that's just how they are. And I don't really see
Speaker 1: them because they don't even know half the time, they
Speaker 1: don't even know the weird ship that they be doing
Speaker 1: or the way they move to the world, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Disagree with that.
Speaker 5: I say that when it comes to legislation, like we
Speaker 5: talk about systems, like somebody had to create the system,
Speaker 5: so clearly somebody knew what was doing. If you put you,
Speaker 5: if you was label somebody only three quarters of a
Speaker 5: human being, Yeah, that's an intentional choice.
Speaker 1: Well okay, yes, and that's your in the spirit of
Speaker 1: self awareness, my I don't even subscribe to or participate
Speaker 1: in politics because I'm like, I don't have the the
Speaker 1: the bandwidth, the mental bandwidth, like dealing with what's the
Speaker 1: word you just used, legislation, legislation, all that stuff. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I just kind of assume whatever does come of of
Speaker 1: all that doesn't involve me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not.
Speaker 5: It involves as Yeah, but I love with Nina turns
Speaker 5: that you don't.
Speaker 2: You may not do politics, but politics is eventually gonna
Speaker 2: do you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I get, I get what you're saying, but I
Speaker 1: just mean, like I then that's my cynicism. I don't
Speaker 1: believe that any level of participation, that like any level
Speaker 1: that I participate in politics, well that actually the country
Speaker 1: is founded on racism. I just don't think that playing
Speaker 1: the game of politics will solve the issue. It's like,
Speaker 1: I think politics is downstream from a deeper issue, a
Speaker 1: spiritual issue, you know, like politics is dealing in the
Speaker 1: physical like like mind proceeds, mind prospedes, proceeds, Spirit proceeds form,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like what we're
Speaker 1: dealing with is like, what we're dealing with is is
Speaker 1: evil politics. I just don't me personally.
Speaker 5: To be able to you know, you know, elections do
Speaker 5: have consequences, and I mean when you see you know,
Speaker 5: people's civil liberties being rolled back the way that they
Speaker 5: are now, then.
Speaker 2: You have to disagree with yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah No, but I just think I personally assumed that whoever,
Speaker 1: if we put Kamala, Kamala, whoever we put in there,
Speaker 1: eventually this is gonna happen. That's my personal But that's cynicism.
Speaker 1: And maybe if we vote right, one day, America, black
Speaker 1: people will run America and it will be our country.
Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, I don't know. It just doesn't feel.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't.
Speaker 3: What I was asking. I was gonna ask, was that
Speaker 3: your is that your homie or stand up?
Speaker 1: That was also I mean, that was like a trauma response.
Speaker 1: It was just like I saw when I look at
Speaker 1: Yes Jules, I see an orphan girl that that that
Speaker 1: wants to be black, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, that's so mean, bro.
Speaker 9: She doesn't like she could come to your at that time. Now.
Speaker 2: But I don't know nothing about it, I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just like I felt bad for her,
Speaker 1: especially being a black kid that grew up surrounded by
Speaker 1: white people. I'm like, what the way she grew up?
Speaker 1: What is she supposed to do? She's trying to embody
Speaker 1: what she understands.
Speaker 9: Is so different than hers.
Speaker 8: And I think, yes, Jeweles, I think yes, Jewels is
Speaker 8: a like, it's not even about her. The conversation that
Speaker 8: people try to have about her is a bigger conversation
Speaker 8: about what we allow culturally and what we should protect
Speaker 8: and all those things. So I think that's where people's
Speaker 8: frustration comes in when you jump out the window for
Speaker 8: her and it's not just about her, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean. But said, he's trying to explain that this
Speaker 8: is he understands it now because.
Speaker 1: Of his Yeah, no, no, no, I don't, and I wouldn't.
Speaker 7: It was a.
Speaker 1: It was meant to happen. It was meant And I
Speaker 1: almost don't regret it because I don't think I would
Speaker 1: have come to this understanding of what's going on in
Speaker 1: myself and in the world around me if I hadn't
Speaker 1: done that, you know, because I was just like internalizing
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: all this choosing to internalize. They called me a coup
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, there's no way
Speaker 1: because I think this, this and this and this m hm.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh my god, have I been
Speaker 1: sacrificing my dignity by internalizing things. Sometimes when someone comes
Speaker 1: to you the wrong way, you're supposed to crash out
Speaker 1: immediately on the spot, you know. But there's just been
Speaker 1: so many moments in my life where someone says something
Speaker 1: that's a little weird or whatever, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: you know, your fight or flight, and you're like, wait,
Speaker 1: is that weird? Am I supposed to cuss out everybody
Speaker 1: in this room right now? Am I supposed to stop?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: So basically, you just.
Speaker 7: Saw a girl that wanted to be black, that just
Speaker 7: you know, wore shirt that it didn't really mean anything
Speaker 7: to you.
Speaker 6: It was just like, yo, this is just another girl
Speaker 6: orphan shown she want to be black.
Speaker 1: It's naive because I was moving to the world really
Speaker 1: believing like, oh maybe we could all come together and
Speaker 1: understand each other and be like spending this much time
Speaker 1: in America, I'm like, oh no. But if you think
Speaker 1: all all all or no all virality. All virality are
Speaker 1: all like codes of codes of moving through the world,
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god. If you follow it to
Speaker 1: any thought process at the very end, it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: who who are we killing? That's actually what it is.
Speaker 1: Someone's gotta die. That's how this whole world is set up.
Speaker 1: It's like these group of people believe this, and we
Speaker 1: believe this, and we will never agree, so we have
Speaker 1: to kill them.
Speaker 2: Damn, Dan, What did you ultimately learn from this situation?
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm getting. I'm getting that you learned
Speaker 2: something from that, Sue.
Speaker 1: I did, and the niggas don't lie, like, Yeah, I learned.
Speaker 1: I learned. It's it's a ship show out here and
Speaker 1: all that I can How do I say this? I
Speaker 1: can only control me and the world around me is
Speaker 1: is is of my own creation, you know. And you
Speaker 1: go through things and you experience them, and if you
Speaker 1: don't want it to happen again, you look at what
Speaker 1: went wrong and you try and adjust.
Speaker 2: Did the backlash your faith make you more guarded as
Speaker 2: an artist? Are more honest?
Speaker 1: More guarded? And now more honest? Because it's all like
Speaker 1: it forever changed the trajectory of my whole life.
Speaker 2: You know, really, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah? For sure? Because it was just I just I
Speaker 1: thought I was being honest with myself and that I
Speaker 1: didn't realize how first. I didn't realize how much anger
Speaker 1: and hatred I had in my own heart.
Speaker 2: For who your own people are.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, I mean for the world around
Speaker 1: me and for myself. It's kind of it's all like
Speaker 1: hete It's all like I am you you are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all the same. It's all flowing the separation that
Speaker 1: you are a different person than me, and you and
Speaker 1: you have your own life. It's not real. You know,
Speaker 1: you drop some acid and you're like, oh, we're actually
Speaker 1: all one. We're all just different leaves on a tree.
Speaker 1: You know. The separation that we think we feel it is.
Speaker 1: It's mercy. It's mercy because the reality is that there's
Speaker 1: only one spirit and it's floating out in space and
Speaker 1: it's alone. The reality of existence is that we were
Speaker 1: alone and there's only I'm a figment of your imagination.
Speaker 1: I am you're figuring in my imagination. I am actually
Speaker 1: the center of the universe. None of you guys are real.
Speaker 1: But also I am a figuring of your imagination. I'm
Speaker 1: not real. We're You're alone. There's nobody else here.
Speaker 7: You're all just energies moving through time. I swear I
Speaker 7: heard Jim Carry say something like this. I mean it's
Speaker 7: like where I literally heard somebody say this. Sorry Jim
Speaker 7: if you didn't, but I thought he said something like
Speaker 7: this before one of them Golden globes.
Speaker 1: Uh, the spiritual practices of anyone free colonialism?
Speaker 6: Do you dos or ayahuasca or anything like that?
Speaker 2: Is that you okay?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Acid?
Speaker 6: Oh you're talking about like that? I mean like on
Speaker 6: a bado? Okay, all right, you know what I'm saying at.
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 8: Cool.
Speaker 5: That's interesting though, because I feel the exact opposite. I
Speaker 5: feel like, you know, human connection is the only reason
Speaker 5: that we exist, no, I.
Speaker 1: Based That's why we yearn so much for it. Because
Speaker 1: when you connect with someone, even when you it's like
Speaker 1: you're long for connection, Like you see a girl and
Speaker 1: she's so beautiful, you know, and you go and talk
Speaker 1: to her m hm, and she doesn't like you, and
Speaker 1: you're like damn, and that pain that you feel where
Speaker 1: it's like, what's wrong with me? And then you realize
Speaker 1: it's beautiful because I really believe in that moment that
Speaker 1: she's not me, and so I'm not alone. And then
Speaker 1: you meet you meet someone and you fall in love
Speaker 1: with them and it's the beautiful and you have a
Speaker 1: crazy experience together and it's the same. It's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm not alone in this world, you know.
Speaker 1: And then things happen and it's you know, and then
Speaker 1: you are alone again, and then you remember, do you
Speaker 1: feel me? Yeah? No, but it's yeah and then and
Speaker 1: then yeah. But no. Life is about human connection, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of the whole way I've structured my life,
Speaker 1: you know. I write songs about human connection. And that's why.
Speaker 1: Another reason why marriage is scared to me, because it's
Speaker 1: like to to choose to marry is to be like,
Speaker 1: all right, connection, got it?
Speaker 5: No more connection, because then the connection don't always That's
Speaker 5: what we mess up. Connections don't always have to be romantic.
Speaker 5: Connections don't always have to be you know, intimate on
Speaker 5: a sexual level. Connections can be a new friend that
Speaker 5: you meet. Connection can be somebody that you get in
Speaker 5: the studio with that's a producer, and y'all connect and
Speaker 5: y'all create something that's an amazing.
Speaker 6: That's what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: Run Through is crazy you ever had, You've never like
Speaker 1: the I am it's dop. I mean, the most powerful
Speaker 1: connection is the connection that is is eros is a gape,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's all the different types
Speaker 1: of love one can experience more than you always rod.
Speaker 1: That's what I just told you.
Speaker 6: Trying to run through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't always have to do that.
Speaker 5: Like, Actually, to me, one of the most powerful connections
Speaker 5: is when you meet a woman, like you know, all
Speaker 5: of these women in this room, even from Natina and down,
Speaker 5: are women that I have met.
Speaker 2: There's no sexual attraction. Even to people that I consider
Speaker 2: my homegirls, my sisters. I love them. Sometimes that is
Speaker 2: the more powerful dopamine hit than.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're understand. I'm not saying that I
Speaker 1: can't have don't have friendship.
Speaker 8: You're talking about that first feeling when you fall in
Speaker 8: love and it's energetic and it's like whatever.
Speaker 9: Right, But I think because they've.
Speaker 8: Been married for a lot of time, right, what I'm
Speaker 8: what I think you're missing from what they're saying is
Speaker 8: that even with your partner, if you're just talking about wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend,
Speaker 8: there are so many different experiences where that same dopamine
Speaker 8: feeling comes with that same person, just depending on where
Speaker 8: you are in the relationship, what's happening. It's work, though,
Speaker 8: and I think people out of that work to refill
Speaker 8: that feeling because you think it's only one instant that
Speaker 8: it's a great point for a single person.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna front learn that a good point envy.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know playing with me. There's certain points.
Speaker 5: That you get older and you look at your wife
Speaker 5: sometime you're like, damn, man, I hit the lottery, Like
Speaker 5: I love.
Speaker 2: My wife all the time. Absolutely, I'm doing the same.
Speaker 4: Ask a question when you were younger, did you have
Speaker 4: a lot of girlfriends or were you the the one
Speaker 4: that didn't that because you went to a white school,
Speaker 4: they didn't appreciate you like they should have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't. I didn't date until ninth grade.
Speaker 4: And that's the reason why he probably feels the way
Speaker 4: that he did. He never really felt accepted when you
Speaker 4: was growing up as a kid. He never had the love.
Speaker 3: He never had that friendship.
Speaker 2: They called you ugly all that stuff.
Speaker 3: But that's that's the reason.
Speaker 4: But that's the reason he's act like like he is
Speaker 4: because he never had that love growing up. So now
Speaker 4: when he's a celebrity, he's a star, he can pick
Speaker 4: and choose with whatever.
Speaker 8: And even then though it gets empty at some point
Speaker 8: because and have a baby, it'll get me, right.
Speaker 1: Of course, it gets but yeah with me in Penthes, yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's that was funny.
Speaker 3: Have a baby with me, like yeah, but not with the.
Speaker 4: Other dude, like what woman left you that you was like,
Speaker 4: don't leave, please, I'll I'll put a baby.
Speaker 3: And you don't leave.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, no no. So that's like the girl that
Speaker 1: I wrote my first Frediano was Yeah, that was like
Speaker 1: a whole that was a whole thing. And but I
Speaker 1: have a baby is like, it's funny to put it
Speaker 1: in parentheses. Yeah, because of the experiences that I had.
Speaker 1: That's my other thing, like with you're really okay, So yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys, you nailed it. It's in relationships. I can't
Speaker 1: help but feel like it's about controlling what the other
Speaker 1: person does. I feel controlled when i'm this person. I
Speaker 1: feel like going over here and doing this and running
Speaker 1: around and doing that. And you tell me it hurts you.
Speaker 1: But I'm just being myself, you know. So what do
Speaker 1: you want me to do? You want me to be
Speaker 1: somebody else? This is I didn't get you by being
Speaker 1: somebody else. I got you by being myself. You know.
Speaker 8: But at a part in the song when you're talking
Speaker 8: to her, it sounds like she's like putting her clothes on,
Speaker 8: she's about to leave. But figure that's like the physical,
Speaker 8: but in like thinking about it, she's kind of tapping
Speaker 8: out of the relationship, right, You're almost like begging her
Speaker 8: to not at some point because you realize that you
Speaker 8: started all these little fires and it got you to
Speaker 8: this point and you just want to give her that
Speaker 8: dream like what she thought or where she thought you
Speaker 8: guys would end up. So how how are two things synonymous?
Speaker 8: Like how do you feel like that? But then when
Speaker 8: she's putting on her clothes and she's ready to leave,
Speaker 8: you like, no, have a baby with me and with me, like,
Speaker 8: let's do it.
Speaker 3: How is that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Ass toxic? Yeah, said SELFI Yeah, I'm glad. This is
Speaker 2: very self aware selfish.
Speaker 1: That's kind of I mean, that's being an artist. That's
Speaker 1: the thing being an artist is like that is that
Speaker 1: you can't be a good artist and not be selfish.
Speaker 1: It's about I experienced stimuli from the outside world, and
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the outside world. I'm worried about
Speaker 1: how I feel about it, because then I go to
Speaker 1: the studio and I and I do what I gotta do,
Speaker 1: and I process it and I go through it.
Speaker 6: I'm not worried about Which is the greatest dopa main
Speaker 6: high ever for you?
Speaker 1: Life literal value? You know, what I mean changed.
Speaker 4: Was it a woman that made you start acting like that?
Speaker 4: Or when you started being the one that these women
Speaker 4: started liking it changed you? Because at one time, I'm
Speaker 4: sure you didn't feel accepted you maybe it was rejection.
Speaker 4: How you know it's not just the fame or the
Speaker 4: money or a celebrity.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't you don't know? You don't know, it's
Speaker 1: only over time.
Speaker 4: And is that why you're being selfish? Like I don't
Speaker 4: know why you liked me because they didn't like me.
Speaker 4: So I'm just gonna sling dick to everybody have a
Speaker 4: baby with me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I because I want an artifact of our love.
Speaker 1: I want an artifact.
Speaker 7: Idea of what read No no, no, yeah, not in
Speaker 7: the buns in the bun no no no, no no no,
Speaker 7: no one's pregnant, no no no yeah.
Speaker 2: Give them some time to process the question though internalized.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, that's so interesting. Artifact that crazy? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you want to.
Speaker 9: You're stopping a gift shop at.
Speaker 2: They call a baby that? Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 6: Look at my souvenir. He's six today.
Speaker 3: What we'll holler next year Christmas?
Speaker 1: You know? Just interesting.
Speaker 8: I think once you get through this to take that
Speaker 8: text back you said somebody that you.
Speaker 1: No, I definitely said that, and I've said that a bunch.
Speaker 9: They be eating it up. What they be saying it back?
Speaker 1: No, it'll be texting it's no, no, no, it's I
Speaker 1: use I use that term when I'm in debate about
Speaker 1: the subjects, not when I'm talking m which I guess
Speaker 1: maybe yes now that yes.
Speaker 5: The question is this album more of a confession, our
Speaker 5: therapy session or our spiritual reckoning?
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I mean I personally always get to spiritual reckoning through confession.
Speaker 1: I love the thought of singing it that you can
Speaker 1: say whatever you want when you're singing it, and you
Speaker 1: can say a lot of things. I mean, a lot
Speaker 1: of things have been said here today that are insane
Speaker 1: to say in conversation with strangers. But and that's that's
Speaker 1: just something I.
Speaker 2: Like to do.
Speaker 6: But it's still a conversation, you know.
Speaker 1: It's how you feel, and it's connection. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm i feel you know, more connection, I feel you know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I would say spiritual reckoning. I would say
Speaker 1: spiritual reckoning, but it's it's I'm still caught up on
Speaker 1: this artifact. I when I say artifact. I mean like,
Speaker 1: I don't mean I want to have a kid and
Speaker 1: then disappear. I don't believe in that. I'm like my
Speaker 1: dad where it's like like bound by honor, you know,
Speaker 1: to something like that. It's just more of a it's
Speaker 1: more of a I don't think I can be married.
Speaker 6: Hmm.
Speaker 1: I just want to co parent.
Speaker 2: You said all of that just to say this.
Speaker 6: I just want you to know you just want a
Speaker 6: cold parent.
Speaker 2: I give him a copy of your book.
Speaker 5: Just has a book coming out called Tell Death Parent
Speaker 5: Privileged Publishing, Simon and Shooter, and it's all about cold parenting.
Speaker 7: So I just okay, So so you co parent, co
Speaker 7: parent well with my son's father yet so she's married
Speaker 7: to Yeah, but I'm not married to my son's father.
Speaker 1: I'm married just father was divorce or was it just
Speaker 1: a no? No?
Speaker 9: No, that was just a relationship.
Speaker 7: We met when we were with nineteen or something like that,
Speaker 7: and I had we had a track of their love
Speaker 7: and oh, my master, Ashton, if you were not, but yes,
Speaker 7: we did have anot of fact.
Speaker 1: His name is yes, Ashton, my name is Ashton.
Speaker 2: Is it thought your name is Daniel?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, that was a whole other. My
Speaker 1: dad was like, if you're not going to send gospel music,
Speaker 1: you can't use my name. Wow damn.
Speaker 6: Okay, So.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've never been divorced.
Speaker 6: No, that's my first time being married.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 6: It's great.
Speaker 7: Okay, I've only been married for like seven eight months though,
Speaker 7: but yeap, so we're nearly words.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I love it. Okay, you're going to read
Speaker 2: this book. Yes, you can have this.
Speaker 8: Advise him to start out co parenting first if he
Speaker 8: knows what's to do, or do you advise himself?
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no no, I would bringing it back
Speaker 7: down and you were saying you have a kid, go
Speaker 7: Actually you were just saying, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, no, just.
Speaker 1: Like I am just kind of like I'm just very
Speaker 1: anti divorced, and I'm just like, why why why can't
Speaker 1: I just im someone what I know? Would I believe
Speaker 1: that I can promise them or I could promise them
Speaker 1: more than I think we could. I should promise them,
Speaker 1: We get divorced, and then we still end up doing
Speaker 1: this anyhow, how many people are out here we speak,
Speaker 1: self aware and trying to circumvent and maybe that's it's
Speaker 1: maybe it's coward it's trying to circumvent the pain or
Speaker 1: the you know, but it's kind of like a long
Speaker 1: way there.
Speaker 7: It's like yo, shortcut baby, all right, let's go parent
Speaker 7: right here right now, because I know I cannot be.
Speaker 7: I can't participate in the active monogamy with you right now,
Speaker 7: like because that's not how I feel marriage. It does
Speaker 7: not serve me. I don't like it, all the things
Speaker 7: attached to it. I do want a child. I want
Speaker 7: my own offspring, though, and I would love to co
Speaker 7: parent with you.
Speaker 3: That's what it is.
Speaker 6: So you got to find somebody that's like you, that
Speaker 6: that is okay.
Speaker 1: With that to do that with.
Speaker 6: And there are women like.
Speaker 3: Your money and your shoes as well, and you play
Speaker 3: around with these women like that.
Speaker 1: Confidence at least. But no, no, no, but you who
Speaker 1: will do that? Here's and here's the thing. Because I've
Speaker 1: been so honest today, I understand that there's probably it's
Speaker 1: easy to assume that that I have a deep that
Speaker 1: I don't understand women are like or how like I'm
Speaker 1: a sitting duck for getting exploited by a woman that
Speaker 1: just wants it for my money. I've been, I've been,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean I know I can pick
Speaker 1: a woman to have a child with me. I have values,
Speaker 1: you know, and they sometimes it's like that's another thing,
Speaker 1: is like sometimes the woman that aligns with my values
Speaker 1: actually find this often the woman that aligns the most
Speaker 1: with my values does not make me feel passion, But
Speaker 1: she's she's a very good person.
Speaker 2: And a great baby maker.
Speaker 1: No, no, not even not even it's not even like
Speaker 1: even like she's like not even a sexual thing. It's
Speaker 1: just like her values. I respect her values. You know,
Speaker 1: how much time do you have? Okay, I have another well,
Speaker 1: I mean off off screen. You guys are calling me
Speaker 1: as Daniel. Okay, this is another I'm filled with theories,
Speaker 1: and I think one of the major reasons as to why,
Speaker 1: and people are gonna be upset with me for saying this,
Speaker 1: as to why, uh, the institution of marriage is suffering
Speaker 1: so much, is because I personally think that there was
Speaker 1: farther back in society. It's this the whole thing, like
Speaker 1: withou like farther farther back in time, there was a
Speaker 1: clear distinctnction amongst the classes of women in society. MM,
Speaker 1: there were there were women that you court and they
Speaker 1: don't and they're you know what I mean, and that
Speaker 1: you don't have sex before marriage and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and then you know, you do the whole thing. And
Speaker 1: there were prostitutes and there was a clear distinction in
Speaker 1: society and men weren't just.
Speaker 2: Like between visits and no's and black queens exactly. I
Speaker 2: don't know I agree with that, but I understand what
Speaker 2: you're saying.
Speaker 1: I also, because all people are I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: systems in which we live, they had to pick. You
Speaker 1: have to pick all women because all women want to
Speaker 1: be free and too experience prostitutes. The benefit of being
Speaker 1: prostitute is you get to you're not beholding to all
Speaker 1: these different rules that the wives have to beholden to.
Speaker 1: You could be free. You can move to society as
Speaker 1: you want, you know what I mean. However, obviously your
Speaker 1: life is highly in danger. You know all these different you're.
Speaker 5: Extreme as prostitute. There's mischief that feels like that the
Speaker 5: mistress I feels like I don't want to be the wife.
Speaker 2: I'm just happy being I know.
Speaker 1: But now we're getting into two subgroups. If you if
Speaker 1: you boil it down, it's like the wife is going
Speaker 1: to call the mistress of prostitute same thing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean pretty much.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the girl that excites you that you have a
Speaker 8: baby with, she's on the courting side for sure, or
Speaker 8: is she on the prostitute side?
Speaker 5: Who knows.
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: And this is actually actually where I have to Yeah,
Speaker 1: you stop talking about it.
Speaker 2: Because now, Yeah, one of my favorite songs on the album, by.
Speaker 1: The way, it's awesome, my favorite. Man.
Speaker 6: You have one of the most beautiful voices ever, so talented.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad to meet you.
Speaker 2: So that actually might be the most honest song on
Speaker 2: the album.
Speaker 1: Probably a waste of your time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I think that if all of us, I
Speaker 5: think that's the problem, right, Like all of us act
Speaker 5: like we know, and none of us truly do.
Speaker 2: We just know what we believe in whatever moment in
Speaker 2: time that we're in.
Speaker 5: And if you're really doing this life thing right, you
Speaker 5: remain open and you allow yourself to change in evall,
Speaker 5: So you'll probably be saying who knows for the rest
Speaker 5: of your life.
Speaker 2: Who knows is actually always the right answer?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that is, yeah, very like, yeah, do what
Speaker 1: that will like? Yeah? Yeah, who knows? So you just
Speaker 1: whatever you think you're supposed to do is really the
Speaker 1: only thing that you can afford.
Speaker 5: To be doing and think about all the stuff we
Speaker 5: stress about that we truly don't know, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like all of these meanings of life and
Speaker 5: where we go after we die, who we pray to,
Speaker 5: all of these different things, who actually knows?
Speaker 2: Nobody really knows.
Speaker 1: And yeah, but learning to to live with that is.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like I've been in this space lately
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I used to think be thinking so
Speaker 1: hard and so deeply on things, was like would give
Speaker 1: me a leg up or an advantage and moving to
Speaker 1: the world, And I'm like, Oh, I actually think it's
Speaker 1: it's yeah, thinking is, yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Because it's you can't control after a certain point. If
Speaker 1: you want to control outcomes, you have to be willing
Speaker 1: to enact violence on others or to lie, to cheat,
Speaker 1: or to steal. So it's just kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna move.
Speaker 5: On the song moon, you ask, who's gonna be my Jesus?
Speaker 5: How does your dad feel when he hears you say
Speaker 5: things like that.
Speaker 1: At this At this point, he's like he just doesn't
Speaker 1: like cursing. It's very very cribbing like that. Every everything else.
Speaker 1: He's like, uh, you know what, he's gonna be Okay,
Speaker 1: He's not a dummy, so he'll like, he'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: He doesn't agree though. Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's my last question. Man, if you could sit with
Speaker 5: the version of yourself who first dropped the Fruitian Freudiandian Freudian,
Speaker 5: what warning would you give that young brother and what
Speaker 5: hope would you offer him?
Speaker 1: I would tell him there is nothing to fear, and
Speaker 1: literally just that, and if you are afraid, you can
Speaker 1: just go and sit down somewhere until you're not afraid,
Speaker 1: you know. But making decisions and moving to the world
Speaker 1: afraid is it's the only way you'll have regrets. I
Speaker 1: feel making like fight or flight decisions. I think I'd
Speaker 1: have to think about that more. But off the top
Speaker 1: of my head, yeah, being afraid, it's like, there's no
Speaker 1: need to be afraid. You're good at your job. Just
Speaker 1: be good at your job and do it.
Speaker 3: But what do you want to hear that Let's get
Speaker 3: something off down on right now. What's your favorite record
Speaker 3: that you would love the masters to hear. I feel
Speaker 3: like you should play a couple We're already gonna play
Speaker 3: have a baby with Me. Yeah, that's the single, right.
Speaker 3: The next single, who Knows?
Speaker 1: That was good, definitely who Knows, Who Knows? Who Knows?
Speaker 3: And then you got a look at your album to
Speaker 3: see what's on.
Speaker 1: I do because I'm this conversation is very exciting for.
Speaker 2: Me, so I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good, that's the win. I would say, who knows,
Speaker 1: rain down.
Speaker 3: Rain Down. We appreciate you for joining us. Absolutely, it
Speaker 3: was a great conversation for you.
Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely check you, Vie.
Speaker 2: We might hurt you when you come back, but.
Speaker 3: Genuine Caesar is the breakfast club. Good morning, every day,
Speaker 3: breakfast club.
Speaker 2: You're clinical, yachdum