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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so

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Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Who's that on the other end

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Speaker 1: of the zoom rocking to sick Hawaiian Shirt? Why that's

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Speaker 1: our super producer, the one end only, Max Williams. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They called me ben Uh. Gotta work on a mafia

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Speaker 1: nickname here, Noel, what what do you think? Oh well,

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Speaker 1: one of our guests Today's specialty is giving mafia nicknames,

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Speaker 1: so maybe we can hold that for at the end

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Speaker 1: of the episode. Fantastic and let's even let's do let's

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Speaker 1: revisit it in part two. We have just not you

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Speaker 1: a bit of a spoiler, folks. This week series, we

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Speaker 1: are diving into the stories of bone heads, of goons,

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Speaker 1: ne'er dwells. We are talking about some strange, dumb dare

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Speaker 1: I say, ridiculous stories from the world of organized crime.

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Speaker 1: And we're not going into this alone, are we know?

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Speaker 1: We're not? That is my name. My name is Noel.

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Speaker 1: We are joined today by Matt Lee and Vince man

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Speaker 1: Sini from the Incredible Sopranos podcast, The only Sopranos podcast

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Speaker 1: that matters in my opinion Pod Yourself a gun. Um,

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Speaker 1: I thought I'll let you guys to introduce yourselves a

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Speaker 1: little bit further. But Matt and Vince, welcome to Ridiculous History. Max,

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Speaker 1: can we get an applause? Quean that you did deserve that? Um,

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Speaker 1: So you guys have been doing Pod Yourself Ago, which

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Speaker 1: is a Sopranos rewatch podcast. I guess for what you're

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Speaker 1: on season five? Now, how many episodes in? Is that?

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of apps. It's like sixty something. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Uh, at at this point, I've I've stopped

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Speaker 1: counting podcast so, yeah, exactly it is. This is a

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Speaker 1: podcast for people who you know, they didn't like math

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Speaker 1: in school. You know what they like to do in

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Speaker 1: school was listening to Slipknot and watch Mafia movies. And

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Speaker 1: uh that's uh, that's who it's for people, you know what,

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Speaker 1: you know what's in again now in a big way,

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Speaker 1: Slipknot in Mafia movies goes back. They're timeless. They're timeless.

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Speaker 1: People have been listening to Slipknot since the dawn of time.

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Speaker 1: R I p their drummer though, I forget Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: great drummer to the universe. Now exactly, which is what

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Speaker 1: Slipknots set out to do. I believe if you if

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Speaker 1: you've watched their doctmentary that came out in the Senazoa era. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: uh so with this, we were trying to think of

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Speaker 1: some of the best people to explore the stories of

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Speaker 1: let's say it, kind of dumb criminals, kind of thick

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Speaker 1: of those moments like in Ghostbusters where they're trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out how to like fight back against Vigo and

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Speaker 1: they all look at the license plate where the statue

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Speaker 1: of Liberty is and they looked at each other. That

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Speaker 1: was Max Noll and me, except the statue of liberty

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Speaker 1: here was you guys. So we thought who better to

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Speaker 1: explore these stories with us and for our ridiculous historians

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Speaker 1: listening along at home. Uh what we did is, uh,

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Speaker 1: the four of us, Matt, Vince, Noel, and myself each

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Speaker 1: each found a story or a person that perfectly illustrates

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Speaker 1: just how dumb, how dumb the mobster game can be,

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Speaker 1: or the criminal game in general. And you know, Matt,

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Speaker 1: his name is Vincent Gigante. Uh, yeah, who was someone

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Speaker 1: Vince at one point mentioned that the storyline was kind

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Speaker 1: of loosely based on this guy, Vincent the Chinante. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: shouses in the Bible too, So come on, that's what

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Speaker 1: That's the first thing they said about Kane. You were like,

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Speaker 1: Vito Genovese was part of the Genovese crime family, but

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Speaker 1: So I think he realized, like, it's not a good

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Speaker 1: of course, in the eighties we have like the beginnings

423
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 1: of the whole John Gotti era, right, and uh, you know,

424
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: John Gotti ended up basically I think he himself ordered

425
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: they hit on Big Paul Castellano. Um, and they didn't

426
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: ask the commission and whatnot. And uh, the chin was

427
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: outraged at Gotti. He tried to kill him a few times,

428
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: you know. And and Gotti took over the Gambino crime family.

429
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: So he fucking he hated John Gotti. UM, so he

430
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: tried to have him killed. Uh he got close um

431
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: in an effort to kill John Gotti. He uh, he

432
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 1: did a bombing that killed underbuss Frank di Chico and

433
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: badly injured a John Gotti look alike who was mistakenly targeted. UM.

434
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: That was Frank was Frank di Chico, Frankie the Cheek

435
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: di Chico, because that would be good. I mean, I

436
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: would assume that was what they would call him. It

437
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: would be crazy if he was like Frantunity. If it's

438
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: better than Frankie Cheeks, that's just in a different direction.

439
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: Frankie Cheeks is the name of I think a gay

440
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: porn star that I really really like. Follow their Instagram.

441
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: It's follow a lot of political commentary. Oh he's fantastic. Um. So, yeah,

442
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: he tried to kill John Gotti. Didn't work out. So finally, uh,

443
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: Gigante was indicted on some federal charges in Brooklyn, you know,

444
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: for a bunch of stuff, like all of the normal

445
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: mafia crap, which is just like, you know, he was

446
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: skimming off the top of this labor union and like

447
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, he had like a windows scam, like every

448
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: window that was built in New York and New Instruction

449
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: he would get like or something. It was just like

450
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: this ridiculous tiki tech stuff that earned lots of money.

451
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: So he got indicted and uh, you know, of course

452
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: at his arraignment, uh, he appeared in court in pajama

453
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: bathrob you know, a peaked cap, you know, just really

454
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: going for like really Looney Tunes level craziness. Um. And

455
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: he actually was tried separately because for the next seven years, uh,

456
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: they basically you know, uh try they put his competence

457
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: on trial. There are seven years of legal battles to

458
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: be like this guy's not crazy. Um. And then finally,

459
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: in a bunch of turncoat Mafio So's X Mafio So's

460
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: led by Excotty under boss Salvatore, Sammy the Bull Gravano. Uh.

461
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: They basically snitched and said, you know this is this

462
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: is all fake. This is uh Gigantes, you know, the

463
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: head of the Genevese crime family. He's on the commission,

464
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: you know all that stuff. And the trial in Ninete

465
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: was like a crazy spectacle. Like he was in a wheelchair,

466
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: he was mumbling, Uh, he was pretending he didn't know

467
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: what was going on, you know, just like it was

468
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: eating the Gobbel gul in the Gobbel. Didn't you know,

469
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: He's doing his whole thing, and his lawyers were like

470
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: killed yeah, of course, yeah, he was doing the Robert

471
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: Durst thing. Snack bar at the right quoting slipnot lyrics,

472
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure, uh and then um yeah. So at one

473
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: point during this trial there was the quote battle of

474
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: the wheelchairs, in which uh, you know, another wheelchaired old

475
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: man Peter at Shiodo, Uh, a three pound mobster, testified

476
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: against him. Now, this guy had survived the Gangland execution

477
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: because quote his fat stopped a dozen bullets. So uh,

478
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: it's good to know that if you gain enough weight

479
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: you become bulletproof. That's the superpower that's incredible. It's pretty sick. Um.

480
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: So the jury ended up in ninety seven going, uh,

481
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: we're convicting you. You're not crazy. Even after this conviction,

482
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: he spent six more years pretending he was crazy. It

483
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: took him. See see case in point, my friend, I

484
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: swear to god he was Actually he had drunk his

485
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 1: own kool aid and was now like the ruse had

486
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: failed clearly in a huge way, but he couldn't break

487
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: the habit he had, like he's got a he's got

488
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: a niche for this. Now he can't not do it.

489
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, you know, he's he's just you know,

490
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: he's a method guy, and he's just like, I'm not

491
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: losing this, and you know, but he actually did finally

492
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: admit it, after you know, six years of prison in

493
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: April two thousand three him. Someone should just make a

494
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: movie where Jared Leto plays like a hermit and just

495
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: keep telling him that it keeps getting postponed, you know,

496
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: and you gotta you gotta stay in character. Man. It's

497
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: like we got postponed again. You just gotta stay in

498
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: your house for a little longer. Don't come out. It's

499
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing. It's gonna it's gonna be so you're

500
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: gonna get a double Oscar somehow for acting. It's gonna

501
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: be first ever in history. Just stay inside, bye, We'll

502
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: tell you when you're finally gonna get the Oscar for

503
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: playing someone with the mental illness. It's so it's hard.

504
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: Everyone shoots for it always fall flat on their face,

505
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, I am Sam and all that. The only

506
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: what was the only one that it really worked for?

507
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: It was I guess Rainman, maybe Forrest Cup you could

508
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,239
Speaker 1: argue was the savant kind of does I mean we're

509
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna turn into Robert Downey Jr. In Tropic

510
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: Thunder real quick, I'm saying. That's why that's such a

511
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: brilliant satire, right, None of those uh, none of those folks,

512
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: though we're also real life mob bosses. That's true. Yeah,

513
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: you have to. You have to really give credit where

514
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: credit is due here because he was doing this not

515
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: to prepare for a role. He was doing this because

516
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: he was, like, I really really enjoy messing with the FBI.

517
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: And Tom is a mom boss. I think chet is

518
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: Chet Hayes is definitely the A J like that Chet

519
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: is a J soprano all grown up and uh in

520
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: an age of TikTok. But uh yeah, so no, he

521
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: actually did admit the insanity ruse uh. In April two

522
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: thousand and three, he was you know, it was a

523
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: bit um and uh yeah, after forty years of public craziness,

524
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: said Gigante calmly pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice for

525
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: this entire deception. Um and I just wanna end here

526
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: with um A quote from Jerry Capecchi. He was a

527
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: mafia expert and author of six books on organized crime.

528
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: The Looney Tunes Act served to Dante well. It kept

529
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: him out of prison for years, but in the end

530
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: he was the victim of his own crazy act. He

531
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: never had a chance to enjoy the fruits of his plunder,

532
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: and he told some people that if given the chance,

533
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: he wouldn't do it that way again. Hindsight, hindsight, especially

534
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: when you've been like doing this thing for forty years,

535
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: that is wild. He would know that. That's what I

536
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: was thinking the whole time, is like, how how is

537
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: he enjoying the fruits of his like criminal laborers or whatever.

538
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: He would buy fine alligator shoes only to have to

539
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: do do on them. It's very monkeys. You know, that's

540
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 1: that's an amazing Um, it's an amazing story, Matt. And maybe, uh,

541
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: maybe it is a bit of a cautionary tale some

542
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: of our ridiculous historians. You know, you can be more

543
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: than the bathroom and the do do There is such

544
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: a thing as over committing to the bit and I

545
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: think this is the case for that. Is this dramatized

546
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: in it? I know there's a lot of Gaudi movies.

547
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: There's like the Real Bad one that's apparently delightfully bad

548
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: with the Travolta and then there's the one with armand

549
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: of Sante. I guess that was an HBO thing from

550
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: the nineties. Is this character? Have we seen anybody play

551
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: this guy? Apparently? Yeah, apparently he was um also shown

552
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: in the movie The Godfather of Harlem, where Vincent din

553
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: Afrio plays him. Okay, oh, that's some prestige casting right there.

554
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: And there was like a Law and Order episode where

555
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: they had a basically someone inspired by Jagante. But yeah,

556
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: that's that, that is exactly right. And uh and then

557
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: of course the like you said, the bad Gaudi movie

558
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: made by who made that was an ear turn? Okay,

559
00:34:54,760 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: all five borrows the Bronx, Manhattan, stadn Island, Brook and Queens.

560
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: Together they make a fist. He names them all out

561
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: as the best. Actually, the best line from that movie

562
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: that will never leave my head is that in this life,

563
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: you either end up dead or in jail. Me I've

564
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: done both. It reminds me of a line from I

565
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: Think It's Carlito's Way. I've never even seen the movie,

566
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's apparently pretty good, but there's

567
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: a line from the trailer where it site, and it's it.

568
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: I always wondered whether it was better to be loved

569
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: or to be feed I prefer to be feared. Something

570
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: along those lines. It's like the most obvious ship. It's like,

571
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: what is the sound of one hand clapping? Well, it

572
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: goes something like this. It's like, that's not the point

573
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: of the question. I mean, I love it. So we're

574
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: talking about a larger than life character, and the world

575
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: of organized crime has so many of these. I don't

576
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: know if all of them are going to be I'll

577
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: say it as amazing now as you god take. But uh,

578
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: we also have some larger than life events. Because when

579
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: we're talking about bone headed things, we're not just talking

580
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: about people being bone headed or going a little too

581
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: Daniel day Lewis, we're also talking about people doing things

582
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: that are clearly bad, bad ideas. I was cracking up

583
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: Peek behind the Curtain when Nolan I were looking into this. No,

584
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: I think we we had stumbled across a story that

585
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: we both loved that I don't know about you, man,

586
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: I had never heard about this until prepping for this episode,

587
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: as No, I had neither um. And we're gonna move

588
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: from New York mob territory to Chicago, where the Mob

589
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: was referred to as the outfit or at least the

590
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: particular and again the mob. To your point, Lucky Liciano,

591
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: that was wasn't that a Chicago guy? Because that was

592
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: he was budds with al Capone and they split. Al

593
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: Capone was definitely Chicago guy, but like Lucky, Lucky was

594
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: the New York guy. But he started they started under

595
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: al and then they like went their separate ways and

596
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: then became kind of adversaries. I'm literally thinking in Boardwalk Empire,

597
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: Boardwalk Empire. So I don't remember exactly, but it feels right.

598
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: So this guy, his name is uh Don Accardo or

599
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: he goes by Tony the big tuna. A Cardo, he's

600
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: the big tuna, and like, um, isn't that from the office.

601
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: Well yeah, he's like it was that where he's like

602
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: reeling him in really because he gets that one he

603
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: gets a tuna salad one day and now he becomes

604
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: big Tuna. That's true. Um, this is pre the office though,

605
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: this is like in the you know, in the sixties,

606
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: maybe even earlier, and definitely earlier because a Cardo was

607
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: early running crew mates with al Capone in Chicago, so

608
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: A Cardo actually kind of came up under him. He

609
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: even there was an attempt on a Capon's life that

610
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: I also believe was dramatized in Boardwalk Empire, and a

611
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: Cardo like dove on top of his his you know,

612
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: mentor and like you know, shielded him from the bullets

613
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: and he wasn't killed. But he stuck around and ended

614
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: up becoming like the biggest name in the outfit for

615
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: many years, even after he was older. He was not

616
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: necessarily like day to day running things, but he was known.

617
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: He was like the guy that you feared. And he

618
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: had this situation where he had this amazing home in

619
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: a bouge neighborhood, in Chicago, and you know, I don't

620
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: know if you guys been in Chicago, but it gets really,

621
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: really really cold in the winter, Like they have this

622
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: thing called the polar vortex. Um, it's bonkers. It's like

623
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: absolutely unlivably cold there. So it's a weird thing that

624
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: there's a whole city there because uh, I have my

625
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: my cousins and you know, aunt and uncle of out

626
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: there and they lived there and they describe it as unlivable. Yeah,

627
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: well they built a the whole city one summer. No

628
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: what was going to happen by that point. They got

629
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: the skyscrapers and everything fast, and then they're like, well,

630
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: what do we do? What do we do? Right here?

631
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: We built it during the spring when it was you know,

632
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: a moderate temperature, and then all of a sudden it

633
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: was the hottest and coldest place in the world. And

634
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: we said, well, we already built the series. Is this

635
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: a Game of Thrones type scenario where like summer lasts

636
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: for like fifty years and then there's one winter. Okay,

637
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: well it's let's to assume that that's the case. So

638
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: a cardo Um is vacationing in California. This is in

639
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: the seventies and in the late seventies, in fact, January

640
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: six of nineteen seventy eight, and a crew of you

641
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: know how the mafia has, like there's made guys, which

642
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: is a thing. You know, You've got like your top guys,

643
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: your earners, your your copos. There's a whole structure to it.

644
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: I believe you have the you know, there's the boss,

645
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: and there's underbosses, then there's copos, then there's soldiers. Is

646
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: that is that about? You got friends of ours and

647
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: you got friends of mine and then friends of Dorothy,

648
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: which are the game mobsters of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

649
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: Is that okay? Is that like a like a veto

650
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: reference or did you just make that that was good?

651
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: That was good? That was good in the day. Yeah,

652
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: I would not doubt it one one scrap. But um,

653
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: so he's vacation in California and this crew um that

654
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: they've used, you know, his his whole organization, the outfit

655
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: has used to do all of these heists and robberies,

656
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: rob his house. This guy, this very very dangerous guy.

657
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: He actually got the nickname Johnny Batters because he was

658
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: known for like cracking with the baseball. That's cute. That

659
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: was good, and it's certainly possible, but no, in fact,

660
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: it was because of a thing that we also often

661
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: see attached to al Capone. Al Capone was fun for

662
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: cracking skulls with the with the baseball bat um. He

663
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: probably learned that from his his, uh his mentor al Capone,

664
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: But Johnny batters um and he very much a scary

665
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: scary guy, even as an old man. Can you imagine

666
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: being menaced by a super old scary mob guy like that?

667
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: Like you look at him and you see, well, I'm

668
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: sorry for you on that front then, but for me,

669
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: Like you see him, you you think they're so innocuous,

670
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 1: and then they all I think of like Feach feach

671
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: Lamna for example. You look at him, he's this frail

672
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: man Robert Loggia, and then he just starts kicking you

673
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: in the dick. You know, you're just trying to cut

674
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: your lawns. You know he's saying this blogs in my

675
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: nephew now, and then he just kicks you in the

676
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: dick repeatedly and breaks your arm. That would be the

677
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: most uh PTSD inducing kind of trauma that I could

678
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: possibly imagine. So um, you underestimate these old timers and

679
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: then they absolutely are a total psychopaths. So this guy

680
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: at this point, he's longer in the tooth and he

681
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: uh is, you know, kind of in his twilight years.

682
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: And this crew knocks over his house. Why do they

683
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: do that? You might ask, Well, I'll tell you why

684
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: did they do that? You might ask that, and I

685
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: might have an answer for you. Why they do that?

686
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I definitely have an answer. So, Um,

687
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: at this point, you know, a cardo, he's got friends,

688
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily like actively involved in racketeering anymore. He

689
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: feels like he's dodged the you know, the long arm

690
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: of the law, and he's just like living out his

691
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: twilight years with his wife and vacation in California and

692
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Um, he has a jeweler friend who

693
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: has had a heist, you know, done to his place

694
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: of business and all of these jewels and cash bundles

695
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: and gold and diamonds all knocked off from this dude's

696
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: establishment on Christmas of nineteen seventy seven. And the crew

697
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: that did it was was led by this guy named

698
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: John Mendel who was known as um John the bypass

699
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: Man Mendel, which kind of sounds like a cool like

700
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: hacker nickname. You know, this is in the seventies and

701
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: it was. It was referring to the fact that he

702
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: could disarm any uh alarm system. That was his whole deal.

703
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: That's shocking that he wasn't just some mobster who had

704
00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: had bypass surgery from too much. That's all the night train. Yeah,

705
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: Twenny Man, Gina Jagante, sorry, Angina. They call him the Hernia,

706
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: but don't ask about it when you meet him. So,

707
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: the owner of this jewelry store is friends with Johnny Batts.

708
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: That's not his name. It was what I say, Johnny

709
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: batter Anyway, I caught cardo um and he asks him,

710
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: you know, he he entreats him, please, don you know,

711
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: intervene on my behalf, give me back my stolen goods.

712
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: Sort of like the episode where one of Tony's poker

713
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: buddies has his daughter's wedding hit my feets Lamna and

714
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: they steal all these like fine cars, and then that

715
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: guy comes to Tony and says, hey, they stole my

716
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: brothers whatever. It was some special car that it took

717
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: him ages to get on the list for his glasses

718
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: and his day planner we're in there, like, I love that.

719
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: That's like the thing that he bitches about, who's the

720
00:43:52,120 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: genius for keeping his regal? A similar because the the

721
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: worst car the American car um So this is very

722
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: so much situation. The jeweler h entreats Cardo to like

723
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: get him his stuff back, and he does. He makes

724
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: bypass man return all his stuff, so the bypass man

725
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: is understandably u a little sore about this. I don't

726
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: know if it was an off the books deal, because

727
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: you would think a guy like a Cardo would have been,

728
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, aware of all of these. But in Sopranos

729
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: it was feat going rogue, so I wouldn't be surprised

730
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: if it was a similar situation where it was this

731
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: guy going out on his own and doing a thing

732
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 1: that ended up stepping on toes and then he gets

733
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: his wrists slapped. So they do return the stuff, but

734
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: he takes it very very very personally, and he decides

735
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: to get even in the stupidest way possible, which is

736
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: by breaking into this legacy Don's home while he's away

737
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: and stealing a whole bunch of ship. So, as you

738
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: can imagine, it leads to an absolute blood bath. Just

739
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, the worst kind. You know, everybody from his

740
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: crew is targeted. Uh. First is the bypass man who

741
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: has found with his throat slashed ear to ear and

742
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: I believe shot in the head. They usually have like

743
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: a two part execution, just to be sure, just to

744
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: make sure that that's probably what they said exact they said,

745
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: bang bang, everybody knows what's happening. So on January, Um,

746
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: the bypass man is is he's disappeared. They find him

747
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: in the trunk of his car. He has been stabbed,

748
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: his throat has been slit and and he's also been

749
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: strangled to death. Excuse me, I got that wrong. Then

750
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: five days later, after he went missing and they didn't

751
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: find his body for a long time, his second in command,

752
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: this guy named Bernard Buddy Ryan, was found dead behind

753
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: the wheel of his own car, which is such a

754
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: classic mafia trope, you know, finding someone slumped over with

755
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: headshot brains on the passenger window. It's not a robbery exactly. Um.

756
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: Then that guy's right hand man, a dude named Stevia Garcia.

757
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: He made it a couple a little bit, I think

758
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: Stevie ste Yeah, they got out of the mafia eventually,

759
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: they I'm not gonna lost Johnny Sweet and Low Capone.

760
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: We we all, we all agree we were going to

761
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: have a beer with this one. I think I may

762
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: have misread Stevie as Stevia, but I love that so

763
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: so so very much. Wouldn't that be amazing if his

764
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: name was Stevie Stevia Garcia. This is pre Stevia. Though

765
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: I got a second may cause cancer. I don't know.

766
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: People still think that about only if you feed it.

767
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: And that's the really tense part of the moment, you know,

768
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: of the executions where he's like, you know, they say,

769
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: I give people kids, bad for your health if you're

770
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: a rat, bang bang indeed, And they find him in

771
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: the trunk of his own car. That's the thing too.

772
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: We see a trope where it's like dudes get stuffed

773
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: into the trunks of their own car. I guess, just

774
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: to like, you know, keep the authorities from finding them

775
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: right away. I mean eventually they find them, of course. Uh.

776
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: And this was in the parking lot of a Sheraton hotel,

777
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: which I don't think of as like a legacy thing,

778
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: but I guess there were Sheraton's in the in the seventies.

779
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: Maybe they go back farther than I realized. Well, this

780
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: is um, uh what do you call it? Uh, it's Chicago, right,

781
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: it's Chicago O'Hare Airport. So it's just Sheraton, a Chicago thing. Well,

782
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean again, I'm basing everything I know off of

783
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: Boardwalk Empire, but I'm pretty sure that there's also a

784
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: like Irish mafioso uh named Sheridan. So uh, you know,

785
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm just putting pieces together from old HBO shows that

786
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't remember. We've got HBO Conspiracy Board. There's a

787
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: thread from a random person I remember to a Sheriton hotel. Yeah,

788
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: the Shattan hotel is spelled with a T, and I

789
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: would think the Irish version will be spelled with a D. Yeah.

790
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: But they're trying to throw off the police. So he's

791
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: he's found in the trunk on February second. Then on

792
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: February four, we've got Vince Moretti, who was the fence

793
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: for that burglary crew, um and a friend of his,

794
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: an associate named Don Reno. They get, uh, I get,

795
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure exactly how, but they're lured in

796
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: some sort of ruse to a bar in Cicero in

797
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: Illinois and they are beaten to death. Um, you know.

798
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: And uh, and the guy that was with him, this buddy,

799
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: his name is Don Reno, not Don like he's a boss.

800
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: His name is just actually Donald. He had absolutely nothing

801
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: to do with the robbery. He just happened to be

802
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: with this guy. And guy also herb stomped. No. I

803
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: was told there was a slipnot concert at this box. Indeed. Um,

804
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: and this one actually murdering Don Donald Duck because they're like, oh,

805
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: it's Don Duck over here. I wish I could do

806
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: a Donald Duck voice. That's a really hard voice. It's

807
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: a really hard voice. Um. So they actually there's a

808
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: really sexy name for this one. It's called the Strangers

809
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: in the Night Murders. And that's because, in a very

810
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: very cinematic turn, very Sopranos asked the Johnny Mathis song

811
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: Strangers in the Night was playing on the jukebox as

812
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: Moretti and Reno are curb stomped inside. I mean, I

813
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: guess there's no curbs inside a bar. But it reminds

814
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: me of the scene where Tony stomps Coco and the

815
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: Italian restaurant. That is a nasty piece of work right

816
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: there by the way, there's no way he would have

817
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: survived that. That always was a little suspect of that.

818
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: He literally makes him bite the edge of this like

819
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, piece of furniture and stomps his head and

820
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: then you see teeth and blood flying everywhere, and they

821
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: imply that he was not killed. But I feel like

822
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: that would crush a person's skull if your mouth is

823
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: on it, like in uh, what's that movie American? Yeah, well,

824
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: you know Coco is a big strong man and uh

825
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: big strong jaw. He probably had a strong chin. Jaws

826
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: the most powerful muscle in the human body. I thought

827
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: that was I thought that was the heart man. Well,

828
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: the second thing I was gonna say is I thought

829
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: that was the dick. I was thinking that your mobster.

830
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh I skipped jaw day, Max

831
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: right now is face bombing like I gotta cut so much. No, No,

832
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna, We're gonna do a little like we're gonna.

833
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: I've been watching this show ted Lasso on. Uh it's fantastic.

834
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: I adore. But there's a thing that the soccer commentators

835
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: always there where they say we apologize for all the

836
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: fruity language we're gonna do a similar disclaimer before this one.

837
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: We were gonna say there's gonna be some fruity language

838
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: in this episode. I have a question, though, please all right, So, uh,

839
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: this is clearly a series of murders meant to send

840
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: a message, and it's happening over a number of days, right,

841
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: and the message is the message is pretty simple. You

842
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: don't mess with Tony A. Cardo or you don't mess

843
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: with Big Tuna. But why did none of these people

844
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: run away? I understand the first guys you got murdered

845
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: probably didn't see it coming. But at some point, wouldn't

846
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: You'd be like, huh, A lot of people are getting killed,

847
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people that I kicked it with. Could

848
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: they not afford to get out of town? Could they?

849
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: Were they like, surely this won't affect me? Or what

850
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: what happened? It's a good question. I think it goes

851
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: back to the topic of this two part episode that

852
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: a lot of these dudes are kind of dumb and

853
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: kind of like up their own asses and like think

854
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: that they're like invincible. It's like, you know, they do.

855
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: They literally brag about this stuff. Probably honestly, I don't

856
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: think I'm even Tony Soprano, the relative of the smartest

857
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: dude in the show, is kind of dumb um, you know,

858
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: And that's sort of the point. You're sort of seeing

859
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: this culture of bravado and posturing and not actual smarts.

860
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,439
Speaker 1: It's street smarts. But I don't mean, you know, even

861
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: Tony only goes to ground when literally all of the

862
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: people closest to him get whacked. I'm sorry, can spoilers

863
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: for The Sopranos, which is now twenty years old. Uh no,

864
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: it was gonna happen. It was gonna happen, but there's yeah,

865
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: go ahead, please, I mean maybe like, uh yeah, First

866
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: of all, I think that if you're in the mafia

867
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: um for an extended period of time, uh, then at

868
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: some point you do just look at yourself as bulletproof

869
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: because you have just survived so many near misses and

870
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: so many uh people you know who are like getting

871
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: shot and all that stuff that you kind of like, you, uh,

872
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: you convinced yourself that you're able, that you're invincible and

873
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: you're able to do what you want. But also, how

874
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: much of this crew was made? I assue none of them? Right, No, No,

875
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: it's funny. In fact, I wanted to just mention something

876
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: about a Cardo himself. He was made, but it was

877
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 1: sort of a note and a lot of the stuff

878
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: that I read about this where they didn't do the

879
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: ceremony where you burn the saint and prick your finger

880
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: and all that, it was done with more of a handshake.

881
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: So I'm sure there were some that maybe questions like

882
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: the second part of a weird science when they didn't

883
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: put the yeah, I mean obviously the guy. Maybe maybe

884
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm getting at is maybe that gave

885
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: this guy a bigger act to grind in terms of, like,

886
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: you will respect me even though I didn't burn the saint.

887
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: If anyone's listening, I don't know, Matt. You want to

888
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: talk about what it means to get made and anything

889
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: you know about that term. I've always wondered where that

890
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: term even comes from. Yeah, So all all I know

891
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: about the term, or at least to the technical implications

892
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: of being made are that, uh, when you get made,

893
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: which is this obviously the ceremony that has like burning

894
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: of a saint and uh, you know, you prick your

895
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: finger and you take an oath saying like I promise

896
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: that I won't be a snitch. Once you're made, then uh,

897
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: someone hitting you or or trying to kill you is

898
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: like a lot harder because you can't hit a maid guy. Uh,

899
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: you can't kill a maid guy without getting permission. Um,

900
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: and uh, you're basically just a protected person. Now you

901
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: are like officially in the mafia. And there's a lot

902
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: of people in the mafia who are kind of associates

903
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: in the mafia, their soldiers and whatnot, who are not made,

904
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: people who are trying to It's basically, um, it's like

905
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: it's like tenure I was gonna say for a stand

906
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: up comic, it's like trying to get passed at a club. Uh.

907
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: It's like you know, yeah now or whatever. Right, Yeah,

908
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: you get to go up at like some shows, but

909
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: you're not a paid regular until you know the booker

910
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: sees you and goes like, all right, you are now

911
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: a part of the club. You can put your name

912
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: on the wall. So it's like, uh, yeah, it's a

913
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: place of And then they make you hold your hands

914
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: out while they burn a whoopie cushion in your hands.

915
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: So and uh yeah, and I think that ceremony is

916
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: probably pretty aristocrats heavy, but with no sure, Yeah, with

917
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: a made man. I from what I remember, everything you

918
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: just said, Matt is spot on. But for a while,

919
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: at least in the earlier days, one also had to

920
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: be either fully Sicilian, fully Italian, fully the Irish or

921
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: Jewish mob traced your ancestry back to the old country

922
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: and like, and that's why what's his name's character, ray

923
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: Leota's character and Good Fellas could never be a made man.

924
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: He was always just beneath that. But he like was

925
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: so valuable that he was treated that way. But he

926
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: knew he could never be made because I think he

927
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: had Irish because he's Irish. And it was the same

928
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 1: thing I think with um. Uh, Robert de Niro's character,

929
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: he also couldn't be made because he was like half

930
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 1: Irish or something. Henry Hill and Jimmy Conway, but Joe

931
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: Pesci he could be made. Uh And he almost was.

932
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: Uh and then uh, you know, bullet to the back

933
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: of the skull. Uh. He kind of had a coming. Man.

934
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: That guy's a real piece of work work man. But

935
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: but really were really quickly just to wrap this up.

936
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: What ended up happening was like often happens, And I'm

937
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: really glad we had this made conversation because no, none

938
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: of these dudes were made. Therefore, they were absolutely expendable,

939
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: and that extended to his inner circle. Uh. He started

940
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: then bumping off people that did the hits to cover

941
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: his tracks to the FBI. So he started bumping off

942
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: his own people, Anthony little Tony Barcelino and Gerald Jerry

943
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: Jerry the Dinger. Yeah, I guess, I guess it could

944
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: be pronounced dinger. It's possible. I'm pretty sure it's Jerry

945
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: the Dinger. Hold On, Vince just came back. I gotta

946
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: give this to him again when he gets his phones

947
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 1: back on. Hang on, we gotta wait for this. Then's

948
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: real time. We we we we are now extending this

949
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: um blood bath to uh this this guy's inner circle

950
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: to cover his own tracks. And one of the dudes

951
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: that gets hit, his name is the best nick only

952
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: waited for you because you're the nickname guy. The best

953
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: nickname of today's episode is Gerald Jerry the Dinger, Crusie Elo,

954
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: Crusie Ello. Because of all the dingy v he was

955
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: always getting a little fender benders, you know, he was

956
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: just always hitting parking meters and stuff. Just real poor driver,

957
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: really got a baseball too. He was hitting fingers all

958
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: down n always righting around in a little boat. It

959
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: was pretty well which the dingy. But they got they

960
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: got a pretty permanent attitude adjustment in the formulable bullet

961
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: to the back of the head executions to discovering his tracks.

962
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: Nor did anybody get arrested? Was no just ever done? No, sir,

963
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: isn't um. In fact, this is interesting. One of the

964
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: slain individuals who were part of the crew, their eyeglasses

965
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: were actually found in a safe inside the very home

966
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: with a Cardo's home Um years later during a raid,

967
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: but his body. His body was never found. Big Tuna

968
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: Um died in Um. He never was convicted, never went

969
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: to prison. He served almost fifty years as the head

970
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: of the mafia, the outfit in Chicago, and never did

971
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: anything more than a little stint hory poisoning exactly. No,

972
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: all I've got, all I love God here is is

973
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: peacefully so um presumably not a think mercury poisoning is

974
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: pretty gnarly. Yeah, well I figured because he was. You know,

975
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of leaps that made. But we also

976
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: talked about some other kind of poison in earlier irony

977
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: poisoning that's yeah, this is so Uh A Cardo died

978
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: in ninety two from respiratory heart conditions. Thank you, Ben,

979
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: Ben with Ben always chiming in with the deeds, I

980
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: look you Wikipedia stuff, I know, right, yeah, no, it's

981
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: it's definitely it's all of Wikipedia. But I checked the

982
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: sources and and they're they're legit. Chicago Tribune has um

983
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: an interesting article where they just said Loki send off

984
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: for a Cardo and uh they they're kind of painting

985
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: it as though it's the end of a mafio So era.

986
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: It was like the funerals of old. He died. He

987
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: died of a cardiac arrest. Yeah, so he did get arrested. YEA,

988
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: definitely my time, it's my time and our time. Um,

989
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: this is a I can't wait for episode two, you guys,

990
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: I can't. We've got two more incredible stories of bone

991
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: headed mafio So's and also just bone headed criminals. I

992
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: think Vince Hears is a little bit more of just

993
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: like a general crime story. Um, but guys, thank you

994
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: so much for joining us, and I can't wait to

995
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,320
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996
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,280
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997
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Please Matt, hold that excitement because we

998
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999
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,880
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1020
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Speaker 1: tune into part two where we do explore these mafia

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Speaker 1: nicknames that we are hyping up so much, you guys

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1030
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Speaker 1: more very very bone headed stories of crime. Can't wait

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