Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Devin Simone and I'm Tory Deal and
Speaker 1: this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 2: And this was officially a good episode.
Speaker 1: It was a good episode, very good episode.
Speaker 3: It's so good. It just it just keeps getting better
Speaker 3: and better and better. And it never Devin last week
Speaker 3: when you were like toy, you know, I want I
Speaker 3: want you to stop like liking people and when you
Speaker 3: stop begging for friendships, I.
Speaker 4: Want you to ask to spice.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I went up on that truck and I looked at
Speaker 3: Mika and her eyes and I said, I said, we're
Speaker 3: going at it.
Speaker 2: Today's snis yes girl, Yes you did.
Speaker 3: My god, this episode was stacked of so many things though.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It starts with Bananas coming over to the Blue team
Speaker 3: and we have this crazy challenge called Sideswiped where we're
Speaker 3: dangling from these huge semi trucks, and eventually it gets
Speaker 3: to a point where the Green Team.
Speaker 4: Thinks they're going to win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Adams and I, because of Chris's incredible brain and plan,
Speaker 3: we sabotage Green team, giving a Red Team all the power,
Speaker 3: which leads to this insane deliberation that's probably the most
Speaker 3: heated debate we've seen the entire season. This crazy deliberation
Speaker 3: inevitably leads to Desi and Lewis getting voted in, which
Speaker 3: completely shifts the house because I don't think anybody was
Speaker 3: expecting to see their balls posted up.
Speaker 4: This is changing the game.
Speaker 3: It leads to Desi walking around campaigning to get Amanda
Speaker 3: thrown in, and now people feel like they are aware
Speaker 3: of Chris's plans to help us sabotage the Green team,
Speaker 3: and so now this whole thing turns into chaos. But
Speaker 3: Chris comes back in the game after getting balls in
Speaker 3: the hopper. Desi comes back in the game, and they
Speaker 3: are proof again that the survivors just keep on surviving.
Speaker 3: And now the Blue team is even stronger than before
Speaker 3: because they all come over to Blue. So it was
Speaker 3: a packed episode, hope, I hope you could follow what
Speaker 3: I just said.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was a lot.
Speaker 1: You did a great job, by the way, so much
Speaker 1: in the fact there was a double elimination, right, so
Speaker 1: it's like there was no hiding behind Girls' Night or
Speaker 1: guys Night, like both of them had to go in unbelievable. Also,
Speaker 1: Amanda went home, you know, I feel like Amanda got
Speaker 1: like noticeably quieter each ep. She came out with the
Speaker 1: bang episode one, episode two, and then just got quieter, quieter, quieter,
Speaker 1: and then tiptoed off into the sunset in this particular episode.
Speaker 1: But to be fair, I wouldn't want to go against
Speaker 1: Desi in literally anything. I'd want to be on the
Speaker 1: side of Desi because Desie is amazing. And also it's
Speaker 1: crazy that Desie questions herself so much, because on the
Speaker 1: as an outsider, she just seems amazing, like there seems
Speaker 1: to be nothing she can't do, and she does it
Speaker 1: so beautifully elegantly. I mean, she killed it in USA
Speaker 1: season one, so it's why it's interesting getting to see
Speaker 1: that sort of vulnerable side of her. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get into the timeouts and the gold Stars of the week.
Speaker 1: All right, now, I am going to give my time out.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you can guess? Can you guess?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, I did not. Now. I like her
Speaker 2: as a competitor so far.
Speaker 1: I like that she seems fearless, but I do not
Speaker 1: like hair pulling, and in honor of Tamara.
Speaker 2: The Wig, we do not do that here.
Speaker 1: And when I saw her reach over, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is not no, no, no, no, no, this.
Speaker 2: Is not that kind of game.
Speaker 1: And plus in what sport is that like even allowed,
Speaker 1: like in any real sport, right, even when you're fighting
Speaker 1: or punching, Like I don't know, I just feel like
Speaker 1: that's didn't like the hair pulling. So my timeout is
Speaker 1: gonna go to Mikayla.
Speaker 2: Use your shoulders, your elbows.
Speaker 1: Or your words, like my mom says, but in this instance,
Speaker 1: you shoulder, elbows, whatever else.
Speaker 2: But hair pulling not the way to go.
Speaker 1: Plus, if she pulled my ponytail, it would have just
Speaker 1: come off in her hand and she would have.
Speaker 2: Just I have extensions in That's why I freaked out.
Speaker 3: I'm like, if one of my like little beads comes out,
Speaker 3: then there's half my half, my weft, and yes, yet
Speaker 3: now I'm weckless, and then what's gonna happen to me?
Speaker 4: And I don't want to be wetless? So that's why
Speaker 4: I screamed, because I'm like.
Speaker 3: I don't have my hair dresser is so far away, right,
Speaker 3: we can we cannot do this right now?
Speaker 2: That is a real show. Can we please name this
Speaker 2: episode wefless?
Speaker 1: So that gets my timee out, Like gold Star goes
Speaker 1: to a trio of Chris you and Bananas, because that
Speaker 1: was epic to see the way you guys just spun
Speaker 1: everything around. Chris with the brilliant idea, Bananas and you
Speaker 1: with just the solid like game playing going at and
Speaker 1: go hard like and on the site while dangling all
Speaker 1: on the side of a moving vehicle.
Speaker 2: Wild, absolutely wild, but so deliciously good. What about you?
Speaker 3: God, I love I mean, listen, I have to give
Speaker 3: the gold star to Bananas. Yes, this plan was obviously
Speaker 3: orchestrated by Chris, and then we did it. But Bananas
Speaker 3: was taking hits from Monty and Manty was flying at
Speaker 3: him so hard. Like of course me and Mikayla were
Speaker 3: going at it, but like there's less of a size
Speaker 3: difference between us Bananas and Manti, Like there's a huge
Speaker 3: size discrepancy, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they were.
Speaker 3: So I got to give my gold star to Bananas.
Speaker 3: And not only that, the showmanship of accidentally throwing Oh.
Speaker 2: That was hilarious. Yeah, like come on, like I dropped
Speaker 2: them all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was incredible. I loved that moment.
Speaker 3: And then I think, you know, I got to give
Speaker 3: my time out to uh, dude, I don't This is
Speaker 3: a tricky one because I really feel like everybody is
Speaker 3: pretty justified and how they responded to everything in this episode.
Speaker 4: I would say the only the only reason.
Speaker 3: Why I would give my time out to Wes is
Speaker 3: because he got conned into doing something.
Speaker 2: That oh he got played yeah you know, which isn't
Speaker 2: his fault.
Speaker 4: He's a victim.
Speaker 2: He trusted they played him well.
Speaker 1: They really did play him well, which like is both
Speaker 1: almost like a gold starter Green Team but almost the
Speaker 1: Red time out.
Speaker 2: Also because he's.
Speaker 1: Your teammates and he's like really trying to help you,
Speaker 1: and you guys just play the heck out of him,
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, I mean not you guys, but Dreen
Speaker 1: Team did someone that we are excited to have on
Speaker 1: who knows how to play the heck out of things,
Speaker 1: including this game, including whatever senior citizens' benefits come once
Speaker 1: you reach, you know, over the age of seventy. He
Speaker 1: probably knows how to play Bingo back in whatever the
Speaker 1: older games are also, but he's also just a joy
Speaker 1: and a delight. We are excited to have none other
Speaker 1: than Johnny Bananas here on a podcast. He is here,
Speaker 1: He's gonna be here telling you stories, telling inside and
Speaker 1: talking to you about what it feels like to be
Speaker 1: a rookie again for the first time in many, many years,
Speaker 1: because he's having to play a very different game this season.
Speaker 1: So you are not gonna want to miss this exclusive, amazing,
Speaker 1: insightful interview.
Speaker 4: I can't wait. I love this guy, you know how
Speaker 4: I him on the show.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be so good.
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, you know we're gonna keep him honest
Speaker 1: because you know, we gotta hold his feet to the fire.
Speaker 1: So grab a snack, do what you do, but don't
Speaker 1: actually go anywhere, because you're not gonna want to miss
Speaker 1: this next interview with Bananas coming up right after this. Alright,
Speaker 1: challenge fans, we have a very very very very special
Speaker 1: guest on the podcast. Someone some people know and love,
Speaker 1: some people love to hate. Dusty really loves him. He
Speaker 1: is an icon, a multi hyphen it, a champ, a
Speaker 1: big talker, and a dear friend. Please welcome the infamous
Speaker 1: Johnny Bananas What.
Speaker 6: You Left Out Trophy, deer hunter, expert Parallel Parker, North
Speaker 6: America's number one slow dancer, and a guy with the
Speaker 6: credit score of seven twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I can see you slow dancing.
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything that indicated you have good rhythm, Bananas.
Speaker 6: So I think you don't follow me on Instagram on
Speaker 6: Instagram then, because I literally just posted a video two
Speaker 6: days ago at the beach, slow dancing by myself.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we will have to look into this.
Speaker 2: We will have to talk about this.
Speaker 1: This is a really big episode for you, Banana, and
Speaker 1: we have so much to dive into. But for those
Speaker 1: who don't know, because I didn't realize Tory didn't know
Speaker 1: this story, and you're old enough, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember this story, but I wanted to give a
Speaker 1: little bit of our history of you and me and
Speaker 1: the challenge and sort of the role.
Speaker 2: That you played.
Speaker 5: Well, well, this is a kid, showed Devin. We can't
Speaker 5: get Okay, okayh whoa who?
Speaker 2: So many moons.
Speaker 1: Many moons ago, like sixteen years ago, I think, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, so long.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: Sixteen years ago or so.
Speaker 1: I was in college and the guy I was dating
Speaker 1: at the time, shout out to David hired you and
Speaker 1: Kelly Ann to host a New Year's Eve party. And
Speaker 1: because he was my boyfriend, I was a supportive girlfriend.
Speaker 1: I was in charge, was sort of the liaison. So
Speaker 1: I had to pick you up from the airport, and
Speaker 1: I didn't really know who you guys were, but I
Speaker 1: had to like, basically, Babe, what a.
Speaker 6: Horrible task, Go pick me up from the airport. Sorry,
Speaker 6: it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Great, and this is why.
Speaker 1: So I picked them up in my Purplevolkswagon Beetle with
Speaker 1: the Winnie the Pood steering wheel cover and and in
Speaker 1: a topper. And then we go to McDonald's, right because
Speaker 1: we were gonna get some food on the way to
Speaker 1: the club. And so I remember, we go to McDonald's
Speaker 1: and believe it or not, this is probably the miracle
Speaker 1: part of the story. The ice cream machine was working,
Speaker 1: and so I got like some chicken nuggets, I got
Speaker 1: an ice cream cone. Johnny sitting in the front seat.
Speaker 1: I'm driving us now, and this is in Tampa. I'm
Speaker 1: driving us to Ewer City, and I'm making it like
Speaker 1: a left turn, and I'm holding the ice cream cone
Speaker 1: in my right hand. And as I turn left and
Speaker 1: then the car straightens out, so we make the turn.
Speaker 1: I look over and realized there was a bite of
Speaker 1: my ice cream missing. And this fool beside me, who
Speaker 1: I just met an hour or two ago.
Speaker 2: Has just eaten a bite of my ice cream out
Speaker 2: of my hand, and I'm like this psycho, but I'm
Speaker 2: also amused, and.
Speaker 5: I didn't want it to fall off. I didn't want
Speaker 5: it to get your car, Devin.
Speaker 6: When we were going the centripical force of the urn
Speaker 6: burned the soft serve and I anytime I see something soft,
Speaker 6: I want to put in my mouth. So I know, comment, I.
Speaker 2: Literally no comment. And so I remember by the end
Speaker 2: of the night, and there's actually.
Speaker 1: Some photos on my Maybe when we put out this episode,
Speaker 1: I'll try and find them and post my Instagram stories,
Speaker 1: but there are some photos of that night, which is
Speaker 1: a blast. But I remember coming away just thinking Johnny
Speaker 1: was so charismatic actually a lot of fun. And I
Speaker 1: also kind of thought, if he and Kelly Ann can
Speaker 1: do it, as in be on this show, then I
Speaker 1: can do it. And I literally the next night went
Speaker 1: and bought a camera because laptops didn't come with him
Speaker 1: then and recorded an audition tape and I was on
Speaker 1: the next season of the Real World six months later that.
Speaker 2: You never would have thought to do it, And so
Speaker 2: there you go.
Speaker 5: Hey, you know what, I'm like a mused.
Speaker 6: All right, Okay, I hate giving him credit for it,
Speaker 6: and you forgot rewinded back a minute here, Devin. When
Speaker 6: we pulled up to that McDonald's, I was like, Devin,
Speaker 6: I will let you order any item off the dollar
Speaker 6: menu and I will pay.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that, and I'm sure you don't either.
Speaker 2: I do not remember that.
Speaker 5: Chivalry is not dead.
Speaker 2: If chivalry is not dead, it is for.
Speaker 6: All the Bananas detractors out there. All right, I was
Speaker 6: a gentleman and a scholar that afternoon.
Speaker 1: All Right, Banana's actually a gentleman when he wants to be.
Speaker 1: I will say this as much crap as we give him,
Speaker 1: and I will always give him crap because obviously his
Speaker 1: ego and his head are just large. But when it
Speaker 1: comes to it, he's actually very smart, great.
Speaker 2: To talk to.
Speaker 1: And I've called you on a couple occasions for things,
Speaker 1: including this season of the Challenge, which I called. You're
Speaker 1: the only one I called and told that I had
Speaker 1: been asked to do it and wanted to get your
Speaker 1: taken thoughts on it, and we talked through some things. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: Bananas is a solid I see, he's like a big
Speaker 1: brother with a cane or something.
Speaker 6: I listen, Okay, I do have a big head, all right,
Speaker 6: I will agree. I mean I have I wear a
Speaker 6: very big hat size. I've even been told in the
Speaker 6: past I look like a hammerhead shark the ego, however,
Speaker 6: I often get accused of that. But like I think,
Speaker 6: I'm a pretty down to earth around the dude, especially
Speaker 6: like what I've done over my the course of eighteen years,
Speaker 6: because trust me, nobody takes me less seriously than I
Speaker 6: take myself. And I think that a lot of people
Speaker 6: see me on TV and think that that's who I
Speaker 6: am in reality. But I cannot tell you the amount
Speaker 6: of times I've met people outside of the show and
Speaker 6: they're actually shocked because they were, like, dude, you are
Speaker 6: absolutely nothing like I expected.
Speaker 5: You to be.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 5: However, I do turn it up from time to time.
Speaker 5: All Right, I have to.
Speaker 6: If I'm you know, approached, someone comes out the sideways
Speaker 6: and that's a whole different story.
Speaker 3: Can we talk about the turn up that you had
Speaker 3: in last week's episode because the montage they make of
Speaker 3: you complaining that you were getting thrown into all and
Speaker 3: they put the Godfather music.
Speaker 4: Over you and it's just clastic. Yeah, production, does you dirty, dude?
Speaker 4: It's funny. The whole thing's funny.
Speaker 3: But they flash to people in different rooms of the
Speaker 3: house like they're clearly not listening, so they're getting expression.
Speaker 2: It's so funny.
Speaker 1: Wait, okay, it's from its last week's episode, and it's
Speaker 1: you complain because it was like it was when you
Speaker 1: got thrown. It, like when you found out that they
Speaker 1: were gonna be voting you to go in and then
Speaker 1: you were like, and Corey and FeSi sort of defected,
Speaker 1: so you were pissed at them yea for like you know,
Speaker 1: kind of cowering in your mind. And then you were like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna see da da da, And so you go
Speaker 1: on this long ass monologue and you're like passionately like
Speaker 1: you're gonna see and then, like Tori said, it cuts
Speaker 1: to these scenes in the house of like other people
Speaker 1: going by the wife and then they start playing this
Speaker 1: like Godfather Italian music behind it as you're doing this
Speaker 1: full bone monologue and you're like, why they're coming after me?
Speaker 2: It's just it's hilarious.
Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, here's here's the deal.
Speaker 6: And it's like I have I don't gripe about a lot,
Speaker 6: but I do have a legitimate gripe in this regard. Okay,
Speaker 6: I come on, to shows. I have no clue who
Speaker 6: people are, all right, I have never seen them before.
Speaker 6: I don't know what show they're from. Is that intelligal
Speaker 6: there on reality television?
Speaker 5: No, not really.
Speaker 6: I just don't watch a lot of reality to be so,
Speaker 6: I don't like keep up with what's going on, especially
Speaker 6: now it's like Big Brother, it's you know, El Ermano Grande. Like,
Speaker 6: I don't know, man, I don't watch a lot of
Speaker 6: these other reality shows. So they come on and they
Speaker 6: know who I am, and they want me gone day one.
Speaker 5: But it's like, I don't.
Speaker 6: I'm like, can I have like a day or two
Speaker 6: to just kind of, like I don't know, get my
Speaker 6: bearings and figure out what's going on in the house.
Speaker 5: I got a clock in day one, Dude.
Speaker 6: I show up to the to the to the to
Speaker 6: the challenge, and I have a different road, man. I granted,
Speaker 6: I'm a victim of my own circumstance success.
Speaker 1: Look, we've seen this more and more bananas for you,
Speaker 1: kind of increasingly as there's been, you know, this shift
Speaker 1: in bringing in newbies and rookies, right, Like, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of rookies. But did you feel like in
Speaker 1: this particular season, especially that maybe you felt like the
Speaker 1: underdog for the first time in a long time, or
Speaker 1: you really felt hell yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yes, And I think the game was designed. It was
Speaker 6: set up like that. I mean, first of all, we
Speaker 6: are going onto a whole new network. We're going onto CBS,
Speaker 6: so in essence, we are going into like anime territory
Speaker 6: if you would, against a bunch of CBS reality titans
Speaker 6: who don't want us there. I mean, it was the
Speaker 6: same with us. We're on MTV, and then we started
Speaker 6: getting this infiltration of Big Brother and we started.
Speaker 5: Getting dude, are you the one? Why the fuck did
Speaker 5: we ever bring them on the Challenge?
Speaker 2: Ah?
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 6: But once all these like other shows started coming on,
Speaker 6: We're like, yo, we gotta protect.
Speaker 5: This is our house, this is our domain, this is
Speaker 5: like our show. We gotta practice.
Speaker 6: So it's like, I understand why the CBS cast members
Speaker 6: felt the way they did. But then on top of that,
Speaker 6: it's like they brought us in the six of us
Speaker 6: MTV Challenge Legends. They brought us in separately than the
Speaker 6: CBS folks, so they had time to sit there to strategize,
Speaker 6: to create a line along.
Speaker 2: Was that delay, like how big of a different race?
Speaker 6: I mean, dude, probably four days, right, Tori, Like from
Speaker 6: the time we left to the time we you know,
Speaker 6: got to the hotel, to the time we got introduced
Speaker 6: in the game, and the way we got introduced, as
Speaker 6: if we didn't need a bigger target, R back, let's
Speaker 6: put them on jet skis, have them come in separately,
Speaker 6: like all you know, looking.
Speaker 2: West behind you. Yes, that was epic. By the way,
Speaker 2: that was so epic.
Speaker 6: Tried to launch them into the water, but it didn't work.
Speaker 6: And then the oh, as if that's not been a
Speaker 6: how about the first challenge we're gonna make. We're gonna
Speaker 6: carve statues out of marble of these six and you're
Speaker 6: gonna have to carry them up a mountain. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I get why we were the odd men out and
Speaker 6: why I was singled out more than everybody else.
Speaker 3: So and I think your your little montage was I mean,
Speaker 3: it needed to happen.
Speaker 4: We were all feeling it.
Speaker 3: I had just gone in the week before you knew
Speaker 3: the writing was on the wall. You and Amanda were
Speaker 3: up for nominations, and the whole house wanted a guy
Speaker 3: to go in the chances of you go, like it
Speaker 3: was just at that point we were like, we're walking
Speaker 3: into a game where our back is against the wall
Speaker 3: and it's going to be an uphill battle the entire time.
Speaker 3: And then obviously this is where this whole beef between
Speaker 3: you and Corey starts, which is what leads you into
Speaker 3: infiltrating or defecting. I'm sorry, and coming on the Blue
Speaker 3: team and picking Corey, which was so petty of you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm like Rob Kardashian, petty dude, you have no
Speaker 6: idea my pettiness Nos, no bounds. But what I mean
Speaker 6: here's and Tory, you were privy to these conversations. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we were having the same conversations prior to going into
Speaker 6: the game that CBS folks were, which is we got
Speaker 6: to stick together, all right.
Speaker 5: Corey was right there.
Speaker 6: Front and center for these conversations as well, and he's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 6: we gotta stay you know, challenge strong, we gotta stick together,
Speaker 6: blah blah. First opportunity that he gets to throw me
Speaker 6: under the bus, he does.
Speaker 5: So I wasn't.
Speaker 6: There for your guys' deliberation, although I heard it through
Speaker 6: the door.
Speaker 1: There seemed to be no privacy in that house, by
Speaker 1: the way, Like it seemed that you could literally hear
Speaker 1: any and everything.
Speaker 6: I mean, it was a cement box underground and it
Speaker 6: rained all the time. And I mean, yeah, so we
Speaker 6: were never outside. You really didn't have anywhere else to
Speaker 6: go except for our room, which was like the dungeon,
Speaker 6: which was kind of separate from the rest of the house.
Speaker 6: But once they caught me eavesdropping on the Blue Team deliberation,
Speaker 6: they then would shut down my room during deliberations. They'd
Speaker 6: had this big old security guard stand in the door,
Speaker 6: not even let me go in my own room.
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, you gotta not get caught.
Speaker 1: How did it feel coming back from that elimination, especially
Speaker 1: knowing everyone, not everyone, but that a lot of people
Speaker 1: wanted you in, a lot of the rookies wanted you in.
Speaker 1: And you go in, you fight, you kick ass, and
Speaker 1: you come back. How did that feel for you?
Speaker 6: It always feels good, especially because I mean, and again,
Speaker 6: while I didn't see an elimination, that was the first
Speaker 6: elimination I went into I think the third attempt that
Speaker 6: they had at or no, the fourth attempt of actually
Speaker 6: getting me into an elimination, because I mean, the first,
Speaker 6: the first time we went up, the first time we
Speaker 6: went to the sand the first time we you know,
Speaker 6: the we had a hopper vote. I had the most
Speaker 6: votes for guys, so this was almost like all right,
Speaker 6: it was a double limb. It was like, you know,
Speaker 6: there's no way out of this, so you're one percent
Speaker 6: going in. But it always feels good, listen. It felt
Speaker 6: good to go in to remind everybody why I'm there
Speaker 6: and what I'm capable of, yep, to show them that
Speaker 6: it's like this isn't this isn't Big Brother, this isn't Survivor.
Speaker 6: You can vote us in, but that does not mean
Speaker 6: we're going home. And I think that was the big
Speaker 6: miscalculation on the behalf of the CBS competitors is in
Speaker 6: Big Brother, when you vote someone out, they're gone. On Survivor,
Speaker 6: when you vote someone out, they're gone. On the Channel, Yeah,
Speaker 6: you vote someone in, but then they still have an
Speaker 6: opportunity to come back.
Speaker 2: That's a really good point.
Speaker 1: And we had PAULI on last week and he brought
Speaker 1: up this point, adding it to yours and I just
Speaker 1: want to hear if you think this all kind of correlates,
Speaker 1: but he he said he noticed. And I also want
Speaker 1: to talk about you guys's relationship. But he said, he
Speaker 1: noticed that, you know, with the challenge it's a game,
Speaker 1: especially since he had done both. Right, The challenge is
Speaker 1: a game and are made up of players where you
Speaker 1: have to say it with your chest, So if you
Speaker 1: say a name, if you have to do whatever, you
Speaker 1: have to double down, whereas these other games Big Brother
Speaker 1: and Survivor, you can be a snake. Honestly, you know,
Speaker 1: you can say one thing, do another and you don't
Speaker 1: necessarily have to like live by it. And so I
Speaker 1: think that coupled with what you just brought up and
Speaker 1: you're the first one to do so, which is great,
Speaker 1: which is like, yeah, just because you vote.
Speaker 2: Someone in does not mean cool.
Speaker 1: Done deal, Like you voted them in, you better hope
Speaker 1: they don't come back, but they can, and then they're
Speaker 1: they're gonna come back after you do. You feel like
Speaker 1: those two things are the key like differentiators between the
Speaker 1: way the CBS kids play and the way the challenges.
Speaker 6: One hundred percent, yea one hundred percent. But this the
Speaker 6: format of this game actually played into the hands and
Speaker 6: to the gamesmanship of the CBS competitors because of the
Speaker 6: secret vote right very rare in the challenge that you
Speaker 6: do a truly one hundred percent secret vote, and like
Speaker 6: you said, you have to say it with your chest.
Speaker 6: And I cannot tell you how many times I've been
Speaker 6: in a situation where it's right before deliberation, you have
Speaker 6: to deliberate as a house, you got to say it
Speaker 6: with your chest, And I've had my name tossed around.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, bananas, everyone's gonna vote for you. It's really
Speaker 6: easy to come up with that idea in theory, But
Speaker 6: then when you're actually sitting there and you have to
Speaker 6: look at the person in the eyes that you're gonna
Speaker 6: say their name, a lot of a lot changes. So
Speaker 6: this game allowed there to be that secret, snaky, you know,
Speaker 6: element to it. However, what ended up happening is was
Speaker 6: really easy after a while to kind of like t have
Speaker 6: you votes and see where votes came from, and who
Speaker 6: voted for who and who didn't do what they said
Speaker 6: they were gonna do. But again, Tory going in and
Speaker 6: smashing her elimination, me then coming in and dominating my elimination,
Speaker 6: I really think put put the fear of God into
Speaker 6: a lot of people in the house, and they were like,
Speaker 6: all right, we now see that, yes we can vote
Speaker 6: them in, but there's a good shot. They're gonna come back,
Speaker 6: and when they do, Tory, we are going to absolutely,
Speaker 6: you know, ruin your plans. Dude, ruined your entire game
Speaker 6: plan because I.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't think of how like the poetic justice
Speaker 3: that came with you coming onto the Blue team and
Speaker 3: then us being the last two people to compete in
Speaker 3: that daily challenge. Literally us throwing that was the most
Speaker 3: important move because it put us in Reds good graces.
Speaker 3: We were off the table because we threw them away,
Speaker 3: and then Green now had to squirm. They literally their
Speaker 3: energy all day. They knew they were winning, they felt
Speaker 3: like they were gonna win that whole thing, and then
Speaker 3: they just did not see it coming, and it was
Speaker 3: just poetic justice.
Speaker 6: The ultimate blind side. You very you see blindsides and
Speaker 6: eliminations all the time. It's very rare you see a
Speaker 6: blind side in a challenge, and that's essentially what we
Speaker 6: did because, like Tory said, we're counting up how many
Speaker 6: discs each team needs to get, and once we were
Speaker 6: like two like maybe two rounds from the end, we
Speaker 6: realized and you know, and Chris being the master strategistic
Speaker 6: he was, and I knew that that it needed to happen,
Speaker 6: but I was like, I don't think that this is
Speaker 6: actually going to work. And then once we kind of
Speaker 6: decided that's what we needed to do.
Speaker 5: I remember Tory.
Speaker 6: I remember me and Tory sitting there looking and I'm like,
Speaker 6: of course, this is gonna fall on our shoulders to
Speaker 6: literally just throw a challenge like and and make it
Speaker 6: totally blatantly obvious that we're gonna do it. But the
Speaker 6: best part was the Green team had already counted all
Speaker 6: the numbers. They knew that based on who was going
Speaker 6: on blue and who was going on Red, that they
Speaker 6: had a huge leg up and a huge advantage. So
Speaker 6: when so Tory Lily looked at me dead in the
Speaker 6: eyes before we went in, and she goes, this is
Speaker 6: our elimination because if we don't, if Green wins, it's
Speaker 6: us going back.
Speaker 5: Yet ye, So not only did Green go from thinking.
Speaker 6: That they had this challenge by the balls and were
Speaker 6: a deadlock to win it, they then ended up going
Speaker 6: into elimination themselves. So it was just such I mean, dude,
Speaker 6: it was just it was It was like a paradigm
Speaker 6: shift in the game to the point where even the
Speaker 6: executive producer all right, Kevin Lee was dumbfounded by this
Speaker 6: because even the EP didn't think about this. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: you can interfere with the other player, but no one
Speaker 6: up at this point had interfered to the point where
Speaker 6: it's like, I'm not even gonna try.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 6: I just when we started, when we started the limit
Speaker 6: and Monte didn't know.
Speaker 2: What was going.
Speaker 6: So I really woke up a sleeping dragon that day,
Speaker 6: all right, But dude, like TJ blows the horn and
Speaker 6: the semi truck starts moving and we're kind of sliding
Speaker 6: back and forth, and I could tell wherever he went.
Speaker 6: I was just tracking him because I just wanted to
Speaker 6: stay behind him because I my only objective was to
Speaker 6: not let him get to my wall. Yeah, and then
Speaker 6: as soon as they blew the horn, I just ripped
Speaker 6: off all of my discs and I just threw him
Speaker 6: on the ground.
Speaker 5: And I think that's when it dawned on him what
Speaker 5: was happening.
Speaker 6: And then it was about three minutes of straight punishment.
Speaker 1: You were like, uh, oh, oops, I lost all my
Speaker 1: disk like so so ridiculous. And Tori, when MICHAELA pulled
Speaker 1: your hair, what was yeah, both of you, what went
Speaker 1: through your mind in that moment, because that was wild.
Speaker 3: They did not and like Bananas and I were there
Speaker 3: and watching it back, I'm like, it was way more
Speaker 3: brutal than what you see they show it, being like
Speaker 3: you look like you're getting smashed, but you also look
Speaker 3: like you're holding.
Speaker 4: Your own like we look it looks good. But I
Speaker 4: remember being up there, it was a completely different experience.
Speaker 3: Like it got like we were was screaming at the
Speaker 3: top of my lungs. Wow, we were cursing at each other,
Speaker 3: Like it got very intense up there because the thing
Speaker 3: is is green. At that point, realized if we win this,
Speaker 3: we win the whole thing. And they weren't expecting us
Speaker 3: to literally only play defense, and that made them angry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't just about strategy anymore.
Speaker 3: It was now I'm pissed, and so we were getting
Speaker 3: the aggression and so I mean, listen, MICHAELA and I
Speaker 3: talked after the whole thing was over and we shook hands.
Speaker 4: We're like, we're cool. In the heat of the game,
Speaker 4: things are gonna get intense.
Speaker 3: It was not personal, but you know, you put four
Speaker 3: strong competitors out there, it's gonna be a brala.
Speaker 1: And especially if they felt like they're gonna be the
Speaker 1: ones to help bring the victory home for their team.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, and you know, the final piece, and
Speaker 1: then suddenly it's game. I feel like that's almost like
Speaker 1: a horror movie in a way, like your worst night.
Speaker 2: You're like, cool, this is great.
Speaker 1: And for you guys to just turn around with an
Speaker 1: evil smile and be like, Haha, actually, we're just here
Speaker 1: to take you out.
Speaker 6: Wouldn't be the first time. Wouldn't be the first time
Speaker 6: I've been a nightmare for people. Un challenge but no,
Speaker 6: but and going back to what Tori said, I mean
Speaker 6: it was it was vicious, dude, Like they don't show
Speaker 6: the length of this, but I think, what what did
Speaker 6: what did it last?
Speaker 5: Three minutes or something like that?
Speaker 6: The challenge when you were getting absolutely pummeled by a
Speaker 6: six foot four, two hundred and I don't know thirty
Speaker 6: pound man. I mean this Monty was I think a
Speaker 6: high jumper. So this guy's like got some spring in
Speaker 6: his steps. So once he realized what I was doing
Speaker 6: and I was gonna try and prevent him from coming
Speaker 6: onto my side, he wasn't even trying to place his
Speaker 6: discs anymore. All he was trying to do was launch
Speaker 6: his body as hard as he possibly could, I think,
Speaker 6: to just try and like you know, just or just yeah,
Speaker 6: pound me into submission, dude. So I just like literally
Speaker 6: eight shoulders for three minutes.
Speaker 1: Did you guys expect them to fight that hard, like
Speaker 1: fight back that heart like in getting so mad to
Speaker 1: come at you guys, or.
Speaker 6: See, this is the first time I'd seen Mikayla had
Speaker 6: shown some some some some spice up to this point,
Speaker 6: so I knew she had dinner. Monty is just such
Speaker 6: a just just calm, cool, collected, like just mellow individual.
Speaker 5: I hadn't seen this. I had not seen this. And
Speaker 5: he let that he let the dog out, dude.
Speaker 6: And it's funny because right after that too, when we
Speaker 6: got back to the riser and and I mean obviously
Speaker 6: we were so stoked about like how how the round
Speaker 6: had ended, that was when I mean he got fired
Speaker 6: the f up dude. So in a in a weird way,
Speaker 6: I think it was just great, not for just the episode,
Speaker 6: not for the show, but almost for like for I
Speaker 6: think a lot of the CBS talent comes on and
Speaker 6: they're so concerned about like being on CBS and their
Speaker 6: image and live cams and all this stuff that they're
Speaker 6: really afraid to like let their freak flag fly, which
Speaker 6: is what the challenge is all about. So I I
Speaker 6: think this was the first time that they really like
Speaker 6: pulled back the vail and really let that that competitive
Speaker 6: you know, fire out, and I think it was just
Speaker 6: it was great for the episode.
Speaker 5: It was great for the show. I think it's gonna
Speaker 5: be great for I mean, it made the trailer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Manty yelling about getting that money made the trailer
Speaker 6: and that wouldn't have happened had we not done that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that and it just shook up.
Speaker 1: This was the first time that I didn't feel like
Speaker 1: I didn't feel sorry for you guys. Not that I
Speaker 1: felt sorry this whole time, but really, you guys, I
Speaker 1: was telling Toy in previous episodes. It's it's a love
Speaker 1: hate watch as a viewer because on one hand, I'm
Speaker 1: loving it because I've We've seen so many things this
Speaker 1: season already and we're only four episodes in that.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen it alone.
Speaker 1: We're seeing the game change up in a way that
Speaker 1: people have wanted. People have kind of needed a refresh
Speaker 1: a little bit and a long and it never happens
Speaker 1: because the Vets always kind of just glide in, doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if there's fifty rookies or two, Like, the Vets
Speaker 1: kind of dominate the whole way through, and this season
Speaker 1: that's not the case. And so as a Vet, you
Speaker 1: know that's family and and you want them to win.
Speaker 1: But at the same time you're kind of like, ooh,
Speaker 1: I respect this game that these movies are playing. So
Speaker 1: it's really been like a love hate kind of watch.
Speaker 1: But today was the first time that you guys didn't
Speaker 1: look like the little puppy dogs and you look like
Speaker 1: I mean, even Wes says a line in his interview,
Speaker 1: which is so great. After you Bananas Andry pull off
Speaker 1: this move, he was like, you know what, I can't
Speaker 1: even be mad. I'm impressed. I Like, he's like, I
Speaker 1: invented that move a decade ago. But that is some
Speaker 1: good gameplay, Like leave.
Speaker 6: It to Wesh, leave it to Wash to once again
Speaker 6: take credit for something he was not even a part of.
Speaker 6: I've never seen anyone I've met. Literally, I've never seen it.
Speaker 6: He does this like Neamiyah for example, right We'll be
Speaker 6: on a season he's not having on and Neiamiah will
Speaker 6: pull off some move and Wes will be like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm really proud of what everything else taught him. I'm like, Wes,
Speaker 6: you're having on this scene. Let the guy like have
Speaker 6: his like anyone who was the other one? He called
Speaker 6: him his mentee? I forgot, but yeah, leave it to
Speaker 6: West credit for Devin. Yes, yes, every time Devin would
Speaker 6: do something, Wes would be sitting at home on the
Speaker 6: couch taking credit for it.
Speaker 5: It's like nothing to do with this.
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, we need to take a quick break, so
Speaker 3: don't go anywhere.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back after this.
Speaker 1: Speaking of mentor mentee, So you had a real life
Speaker 1: fan or love affair. It's a different kind of love
Speaker 1: affair than we're used to seeing from you in the
Speaker 1: Challenge House. Can you tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: the beginnings of your relationship with Dusty and how that
Speaker 1: came to be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Dusty.
Speaker 6: Dusty is the only one before this season who actually
Speaker 6: reached out to me. I didn't know who he was,
Speaker 6: you know, obviously, after he reached out to me multiple times,
Speaker 6: I then kind of took a look at his profile realized, like,
Speaker 6: you know, he was on the Amazing Race and basically
Speaker 6: was like, you know, kind of just putting the fuelers
Speaker 6: out there and seeing if, if if we could work together.
Speaker 6: Didn't know much about him. I'm always very hesitant to
Speaker 6: you know, talk game or strategize or make create alliances,
Speaker 6: especially with somebody I don't know before the game even starts.
Speaker 6: But we just kind of exchanged pleasantries like, hey.
Speaker 5: Man, what's up.
Speaker 6: You know, see on the you know, on the field,
Speaker 6: and then we just ended up falling on the same
Speaker 6: team together, and then we ended up rooming together and yeah,
Speaker 6: it's just you know, just took off from there. Yeah,
Speaker 6: the old, the old, the old trauma bond. That's just
Speaker 6: that's just I mean, the only thing that really was
Speaker 6: interfering in my relationship and my love affair with Dusty
Speaker 6: is the fact that PAULI, for some reason decided to
Speaker 6: get to bed right next to me in the bedroom.
Speaker 5: Was awkward, to say the least.
Speaker 1: Was such a beautiful moment with you and Pollie too.
Speaker 1: Let's because we had him on last week and.
Speaker 2: It was cool.
Speaker 1: It was beautiful seeing the elimination or just like the
Speaker 1: way you guys you hugged him and you said good job,
Speaker 1: and that seemed to really mean a lot to him.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts or expectations coming into the season
Speaker 1: around Paully and did they change or how did they evolve,
Speaker 1: you know, towards Polly's exit.
Speaker 6: Yes, I expected Paulie to come on this season full tilt,
Speaker 6: all right. I expected him to come on and just
Speaker 6: do everything he could to be the most over the top, loud,
Speaker 6: obnoxious version of himself. The guy hasn't been on in
Speaker 6: a while. This is almost like, you know, his second audition.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 6: And other than his wardrobe options that he chose in
Speaker 6: the beginning, he actually wasn't that loud, nah man, He
Speaker 6: couldn't have been like like a more just like chill.
Speaker 6: It's like I was almost I was shocked almost at
Speaker 6: how like kind of laid back he was coming into
Speaker 6: the game. And again, uh, we listen at this point
Speaker 6: in my career, at this point in the game, this
Speaker 6: point in my life, Like life is just too short
Speaker 6: to be carrying hate in your heart.
Speaker 5: So it's like I have no ill will.
Speaker 6: It's like I've got enough problems going on the challenge
Speaker 6: every season with people coming at me. It's like the
Speaker 6: more of these, you know, rivalries that I could attempt
Speaker 6: to neutralize, like going into easier, it's gonna make my game.
Speaker 5: I learned.
Speaker 6: I learned a very I learned a very hard way
Speaker 6: back in the day, coming up through the challenge taking
Speaker 6: my bumps, that it's never good to show up day
Speaker 6: one and draw lines in the sand. Yeah, it's almost
Speaker 6: better to be three and kind of not let people
Speaker 6: know where you're coming from. And that was kind of
Speaker 6: the approach that I took here, and I was like,
Speaker 6: we'll just see where it goes.
Speaker 5: It's the same approach I took with.
Speaker 6: Devin, you know on Rider Dies, where it's like, dude,
Speaker 6: I'd I'd rather have people pissing out of my tent
Speaker 6: and into it. So I think the fact that listen,
Speaker 6: I don't think that Paulie picking the bed right next
Speaker 6: to me in our room was was any sort of
Speaker 6: a coincidence. And uh yeah, because I'd wake up sometimes
Speaker 6: the middle of the night and he would just be
Speaker 6: on his side just staring at me.
Speaker 5: Yep, I had to sleep on my back.
Speaker 6: Uh now, I'm just kidding, but no, but but we
Speaker 6: uh but no, it was it was that's and that's
Speaker 6: the thing a lot of times when you go into elimination.
Speaker 6: You want to go into elimination that you're fired up
Speaker 6: against somebody to go in against. And at that point,
Speaker 6: like where him and I I was like, dude, I
Speaker 6: don't even I don't even hate you anymore, man, Like
Speaker 6: I kind of respect you in this game. I kind
Speaker 6: of respect where you come from. And now I'm not
Speaker 6: gonna lie. There are so many I've almost put him
Speaker 6: in the category since he he really has like put
Speaker 6: his work in, paid his dues, been in the game
Speaker 6: for a long time. Yeah, I almost put him in
Speaker 6: the category as kind of like more of one of
Speaker 6: the vets, is one of the newbies, and it's like, dude,
Speaker 6: there are so many just unpalatable, you know, rookies that
Speaker 6: are coming into the game these days, as Kareem Abdul
Speaker 6: Jabbar called them, a throbbing scrum of fame seeking death
Speaker 6: sperados that that I look at him almost as like
Speaker 6: kind of like the old guard dude, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: we kind of gotta hold it down, man, we gotta
Speaker 6: you know, we gotta represent and we did, and yeah,
Speaker 6: it was kind of a bummer seen him go.
Speaker 5: However, had I lost the polly yo, Yeah, Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: early on.
Speaker 6: In the game, you guys would probably not see him
Speaker 6: on the podcast.
Speaker 5: You'd see my face on a milk carton.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, shut up.
Speaker 3: You know what I think was really sweet though, Like
Speaker 3: after you guys, after your elimination, you guys hug it
Speaker 3: out and he starts to like tear up and cry
Speaker 3: in his interview, and he's like, you know, all I
Speaker 3: ever wanted was for Bananas to respect me as a competitor,
Speaker 3: and like, it really is so beautiful to see, obviously
Speaker 3: from somebody who's witnessed you guys going back and forth
Speaker 3: for years, Like people do have the opportunity to come
Speaker 3: on the challenge, put their differences aside, spend some time growing,
Speaker 3: and the whole thing can heal. So I just think, yeah,
Speaker 3: watching you and obviously we needed you to come back
Speaker 3: in the game like I could not. I didn't playing
Speaker 3: that game without you like that would have been tragic.
Speaker 3: So unfortunately Paully had to had to go home. But
Speaker 3: it was nice to see it on that on that note.
Speaker 6: And I think the other thing that rubbed me the
Speaker 6: wrong way about him, and again I think this was
Speaker 6: the same issue I had with Devin. This is the
Speaker 6: same issue I've had with other you know, players and
Speaker 6: even relationships I've been in is it's like, I feel
Speaker 6: like a lot of times new players will come into
Speaker 6: the game, they seem instead of doing the legwork, instead
Speaker 6: of establishing their own lane, instead of creating their own
Speaker 6: story and their own character. It's like, what's the how
Speaker 6: do I shortcut the system and get a guaranteed?
Speaker 5: It's like go after bananas.
Speaker 6: Yeah, get into a show mance with bananas, and it's
Speaker 6: like for the longest time, well, no, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but they want the show man's part. It
Speaker 1: takes to do whatever you be doing.
Speaker 6: What I'm saying, Devin, is that there is an element
Speaker 6: of this is going this will give me clout by
Speaker 6: being in a showmance or a.
Speaker 1: Show a charmed I was with you, I was with
Speaker 1: you on the rivalry thing. But you are also a charmer.
Speaker 1: I've seen you work your magic on folks. So don't
Speaker 1: get like I wouldn't say that. That's always not saying never,
Speaker 1: but you.
Speaker 5: Know it happened.
Speaker 6: I'm saying it happens more often than not. And what
Speaker 6: I'm saying is a lot of times I question the
Speaker 6: motives of certain individuals. Yes, when I am in some
Speaker 6: sort of doesn't matter rivalry, relationship, whatever, because it's like
Speaker 6: what are your what are you through intentions here? And
Speaker 6: with Paulie in the beginning, that's what I felt like
Speaker 6: it was. I felt like he came on on what
Speaker 6: was it, final reckoning and knew that by going after
Speaker 6: me and by starting this thing with me, it was
Speaker 6: going to turn into this you know you know sy
Speaker 6: same with Devon, it's going to turn into this rivalry
Speaker 6: which is going to then create a storyline. And I
Speaker 6: feel like he came in this season. I felt like
Speaker 6: Devin came in right or Dies. We haven't on the
Speaker 6: same season a while, and I feel like they really
Speaker 6: had established their own presence, their own lane, their own persona,
Speaker 6: and dude, I'm like, you know, more power to be.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like both of them have been doing
Speaker 1: the growth work. But before we move further into growth,
Speaker 1: let's go back into non growth. But pettiness, you mentioned
Speaker 1: that there are some unfavorable scrum fame seeking rookies. Can
Speaker 1: you give us just three who are three of the.
Speaker 2: Rookies that you find to be the least tolerable.
Speaker 1: On this season or even we'll give you the last
Speaker 1: two seasons that you've been on.
Speaker 6: I mean, listen, this season, I feel like is different
Speaker 6: because these aren't necessarily again we are going on to
Speaker 6: I don't consider anyone on The Challenge USA or this
Speaker 6: seasons as rookies because they have all already established their presence,
Speaker 6: made a.
Speaker 2: Name, right, but they're challenged rookies on CBS.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but in a way, we the rookies.
Speaker 6: I felt for the first time ever, and we had
Speaker 6: talked about this before, I felt like the rookie going
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, so, this is what it feels like
Speaker 6: to be a rookie on The Challenge where you've got
Speaker 6: all these vets in this alliance and they are able
Speaker 6: to all band together, work together and just continue sending
Speaker 6: you into you go home. So for the first time ever,
Speaker 6: I was like this, I'm completely out of the loop.
Speaker 6: I had no clue what was going on in this
Speaker 6: house dude, or who was talking what, And the little
Speaker 6: bit of information I would get, I'm like, do I
Speaker 6: believe this? Because it was coming from Paulie, it was
Speaker 6: coming from Josh, it was coming from Chris, and I'm
Speaker 6: just like, I'm not in the loop. I'm not in
Speaker 6: the No, I have no idea what's going Our team
Speaker 6: was like, dude, the Bad News Bears. So I was like,
Speaker 6: we're not getting any info. I felt like my own
Speaker 6: team was working. We're nominating our own teammates to go in.
Speaker 6: So I was a total fish out of water this season.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, you know, that was a long way
Speaker 1: to not answer the question, bananas.
Speaker 2: That was a long ass political answer.
Speaker 6: All right, all right, how about this take take a
Speaker 6: dark close your eyes, and just throw it at the
Speaker 6: cash three times and there you go.
Speaker 4: I can't deal, dude.
Speaker 6: It's like pin the tail on the thirst bucket.
Speaker 5: That's uh, that's like a new challenge game, you should say.
Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like I want to answer
Speaker 3: this for you only because I was there, Yes to her,
Speaker 3: I know how much, and I know how.
Speaker 4: Much he didn't vibe with Alyssa Lopez.
Speaker 1: I feel like, is that why she keeps coming for
Speaker 1: you in interviews? Because she really is coming for you?
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was like just banter,
Speaker 1: because like I make fun of you all the time,
Speaker 1: but like geez, okay, all right, I yeah, I.
Speaker 6: No clue what, I have no clue where I mean
Speaker 6: We're like, we must be like star Cross lovers or something.
Speaker 6: I have no idea where that went sideways, because, like
Speaker 6: I said, I didn't say I don't think two words
Speaker 6: to this girl the entire time we were in the house.
Speaker 6: The funny part, though, is when I defected to the
Speaker 6: Blue team, part part of the reason was to neutralize that.
Speaker 6: I'm like one of the big reasons I went to
Speaker 6: Blues because I'm like, this is a strong team and
Speaker 6: go to keep coming. For me, the best way to
Speaker 6: create chaos is from within. And her as kind of
Speaker 6: like the uh you know, the fearless leader of the.
Speaker 5: Blue Team, pulls me aside day one.
Speaker 6: She goes, we need to have a talk and I'm like,
Speaker 6: all right, I'm thinking this is gonna be like a hey,
Speaker 6: welcome to the team, Like I just want to like
Speaker 6: player it ever decide. It was like, here's the things
Speaker 6: I hate about you. I'm like, okay, really, he goes,
Speaker 6: here's why I.
Speaker 5: Don't like you. Your jokes aren't funny. Uh, she said.
Speaker 5: What was the other thing? I think? She said?
Speaker 6: I was too loud, which is I've never been called
Speaker 6: too loud my entire life. And then the third thing
Speaker 6: was she said, you shushed Michelle on the capsize challenge
Speaker 6: and I was like.
Speaker 5: What, Like, this is it?
Speaker 6: She said, the only funny joke I told the entire
Speaker 6: season toy was in your elimination when the balls were
Speaker 6: coming down, and I said, there's a rainbow ball.
Speaker 5: Grab that one. That was it. That was the only
Speaker 5: funny joke.
Speaker 1: Wait, but she pulled you aside to tell you you're kidding.
Speaker 1: There's no way you're dead serious.
Speaker 5: I you not.
Speaker 6: It was the only It was literally the first and
Speaker 6: only chat I think we had the entire season was
Speaker 6: that it was her pulling me aside and tell me
Speaker 6: all the reason she hated me.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but you know what's funny about bananas is
Speaker 3: you know when somebody gives him and approaches him in
Speaker 3: that way, then he's gonna use that as.
Speaker 4: The joke later on.
Speaker 3: So the entire time we would be in team meetings,
Speaker 3: but oh I'm being too loud or like a funny.
Speaker 5: Or I would just shush her for no reason.
Speaker 2: She starts talking, hilarious, that's hilarious. Oh that's so funny,
Speaker 2: that's so weird.
Speaker 6: I listen, in all honesty, I and I know this
Speaker 6: about myself.
Speaker 5: Okay, This is why I have.
Speaker 6: Fans and I have the tractors. Even though I think
Speaker 6: I'm the most lovable person.
Speaker 4: On her I think so too.
Speaker 5: People listen.
Speaker 6: I I know that I give off a certain amount
Speaker 6: of like energy, and I feel like energy is either
Speaker 6: it either attracts or it's repelled. And that's the thing is,
Speaker 6: I feel like certain people I vibe with and certain
Speaker 6: people I don't. Certain people I meet and they love me.
Speaker 6: Certain people I me and they can't stand me. And
Speaker 6: I'm just you know, I just understand that's how I am.
Speaker 6: And you know, she was I think just one of
Speaker 6: those people that early on just didn't like my vibe.
Speaker 6: But also I think she was one of the CBS
Speaker 6: you know, she was one of the loudest voices from
Speaker 6: the CBS side that was looking at the MTV folks, yes,
Speaker 6: as invaders, and they wanted us out. And I think
Speaker 6: she saw me as the head of the snake. I
Speaker 6: wasn't on her team, you know, Corey was on her team,
Speaker 6: so obviously couldn't go after you know, if she couldn't
Speaker 6: go out.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you guys saw USA one,
Speaker 1: but she so Angelo was sort of the ring leader
Speaker 1: one of the ring leaders on USA one Challenge USA one,
Speaker 1: right but right behind her, and some might even argue
Speaker 1: that kind of not the silent leader, but the one
Speaker 1: making certain moves.
Speaker 2: Was Alyssa Lopez.
Speaker 1: And it was really kind of a shock USA one
Speaker 1: because you know, from a size perspective, she doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: have like the biggest stature, seeing the most intimidating all
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: But she, you know, a lot of.
Speaker 1: People in the house started disliking her on the show,
Speaker 1: at least as a viewer, it seemed, because they felt
Speaker 1: like she started walking around like she ran things. So
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I wonder if she brought that same
Speaker 1: energy here thinking oh, now I've done it once before,
Speaker 1: I ran it then or helped run it.
Speaker 2: Then I'm a run it now.
Speaker 1: And then she sees you, who very much is a
Speaker 1: challenge leader. You put in the history, you know, your
Speaker 1: number speak for itself, and so automatically she doesn't like
Speaker 1: you because there can't be two kings in the you know,
Speaker 1: on the throne. And she saw herself as a king
Speaker 1: and also thought you were too loud. I mean, those
Speaker 1: those two things.
Speaker 5: And she's not wrong, all right, She's not wrong on
Speaker 5: either account.
Speaker 6: Okay, But like I said, I mean listen for for
Speaker 6: what she lacks maybe in stature, the girl more than
Speaker 6: makes up for in like her ability to you. I mean,
Speaker 6: she had a lot of She was running the show, okay,
Speaker 6: and she was playing the game. And I didn't realize
Speaker 6: until later on just how much persuasion and how much
Speaker 6: power she wielded. Again, because I just saw the CBS,
Speaker 6: you know, Big Brothers survived. I just saw them as
Speaker 6: one monolithic group that was all working together against us.
Speaker 6: I didn't realize that there were all these little you know,
Speaker 6: factions and and and within this group. I think they
Speaker 6: all were on the same page in the beginning, Uh,
Speaker 6: Survivor and Big brother let's put our differences aside. We
Speaker 6: have one common enemy. But then I feel like once
Speaker 6: they realized that we were, you know, they were We're
Speaker 6: like the immovable object, then they kind of had to
Speaker 6: start turning on each other. And that's when it kind
Speaker 6: of got revealed of you know, who was. But she
Speaker 6: was for a long time, I think she was the
Speaker 6: she was She was running the show over there.
Speaker 3: And I feel like she was you know, obviously you
Speaker 3: defect over to Blue and now DESI defects over to Blue,
Speaker 3: and it's.
Speaker 4: Like the game is shifting. We're seeing a shift.
Speaker 3: She was the only person that was outspoken on the
Speaker 3: Blue team about us potentially throwing the challenge.
Speaker 4: It didn't go the way she wanted.
Speaker 3: And now we see ourselves in another position where the
Speaker 3: game shifted even more and Desi's working with us now.
Speaker 3: Of course Desi and Alyssa are working together, but our
Speaker 3: team just got stronger.
Speaker 5: Wow, and way stronger.
Speaker 3: And no shout out to Alyssa s she's the sweetest
Speaker 3: girl in the world, but like Desi's a beast.
Speaker 2: Oh you know which.
Speaker 1: By the Desi thing is interesting too because in this
Speaker 1: episode we see Desi doubt herself a lot, which is
Speaker 1: crazy because of the guest we've had on this far
Speaker 1: and after watching USA season one, there's nothing to doubt
Speaker 1: about Desi. And also, Toy, you now have a co
Speaker 1: captain in the manages to have beautiful hair in every
Speaker 1: scene challenge because Desi is also that girl and so
Speaker 1: hearing her doubt herself so much, and then even she
Speaker 1: does her elimination and she's like, I mean to prove
Speaker 1: to myself, which I think we all can identify with
Speaker 1: the moments of not feeling good enough, but she also says,
Speaker 1: I need to prove to everyone in the house, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, girl, you ain't got to prove any No,
Speaker 1: people don't want to go against you.
Speaker 2: Like you.
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to go against Amando, which is just funny,
Speaker 1: but people don't want to go against you, DESI.
Speaker 2: So it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Did you guys get us sense of that while there,
Speaker 1: that she was really doubting herself at all?
Speaker 5: No, not really, dude.
Speaker 6: That girl walks around with more confidence than I think
Speaker 6: anyone I've ever. I mean, it's like just she just
Speaker 6: exudes like like comp and that's what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 6: I was under the impression, especially in the beginning. I
Speaker 6: was like, she must be the one that's like running
Speaker 6: the show, and I.
Speaker 5: Think to an extent she was.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, yeah, I mean, I mean
Speaker 6: she's a specimen when it comes just from you know,
Speaker 6: from you know, just a physical presence and again just
Speaker 6: the way she kind of moved throughout the house and
Speaker 6: she didn't say she's almost like, you know, talks talk quiet,
Speaker 6: but carries a big stick kind of situation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so.
Speaker 6: She was kind of one that I was like all right,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna you know, yeah, like until she joined our squad,
Speaker 6: then it was like, all right, now we're basically just
Speaker 6: the Avengers.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh I do love the Avengers, all right?
Speaker 1: So who should we keep before we go bananas? Who
Speaker 1: should we keep an eye out for? Don't give away
Speaker 1: any spoilers.
Speaker 2: Toys and tories for trying to give spoilers. But who
Speaker 2: should we keep on as viewers just keep our eye
Speaker 2: on in upcoming episodes?
Speaker 6: I mean, I think that the the Survivor contingency and
Speaker 6: them just as again, as a group. I feel like
Speaker 6: coming into the challenge, you've got this challenge strong, which
Speaker 6: didn't last very long, big brother sticking together, Survivor Strong
Speaker 6: that he had the poor you know, amazing racers. But
Speaker 6: I just think basically as a group, Survivor manages to
Speaker 6: pull off and there their whole, the whole Survivor's strong
Speaker 6: idea is is pretty impressive.
Speaker 5: But I would say, I mean, dude, just just just keep.
Speaker 6: An eye out for for the survivors man because they
Speaker 6: are they're They're the real.
Speaker 5: Deal, for sure, they really are. And Tyler, just because.
Speaker 6: You know, first time I ever felt this way about
Speaker 6: about it, man, maybe this is just me talking about myself,
Speaker 6: but he's someone i'd keep an eye out for, mainly
Speaker 6: because I.
Speaker 2: The entire season, so dude, Tyler.
Speaker 4: Tyler was amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like this season is going to
Speaker 3: get spicier and better, Like it's just an uphill battle
Speaker 3: for for y'all.
Speaker 4: Hopefully new people.
Speaker 3: Hopefully new people, but obviously you know, we're going to
Speaker 3: have to figure out how to get through it.
Speaker 4: And I think that the teaser for next week about.
Speaker 3: Organized chaos and maybe teasing a little bit of our
Speaker 3: Operation Hat trick, that's going to come up, and that's
Speaker 3: going to be hm epic. So I'm excited for people
Speaker 3: to see that. But Bananas, thank you so much for.
Speaker 2: Coming on the podcast.
Speaker 6: Nice, thanks for having me, Thanks for having me. Guys,
Speaker 6: it's always great chopping it up. You know, it's always
Speaker 6: great getting you know it, complimented, slash insulted by Devin everything.
Speaker 6: Devin can't be nice to me without having to like
Speaker 6: balance it out by throwing a little nagan there.
Speaker 1: I just keep it real, which is why you love me,
Speaker 1: because you know you can trust that I will always
Speaker 1: keep it.
Speaker 6: And I respect that. You know, what they say they
Speaker 6: were like, listen, your friend. A true friend is somebody
Speaker 6: that will tell you the truth without worrying about hurting
Speaker 6: your feelings.
Speaker 2: Yep, and that's what you want.
Speaker 6: Or who will let you bite your soft serve ice
Speaker 6: cream cone without giving you shit.
Speaker 1: At that point, you knew we were friends before I
Speaker 1: knew we were friends. For those who are looking to
Speaker 1: become Banana friends, maybe send a love letter like Dusty did.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Dusty. Where can they find you on
Speaker 1: social media?
Speaker 6: On social media, you can find me on instant Graham
Speaker 6: and Twitter at Johnny Bananas. Uh, you can't find me
Speaker 6: on TikTok because I'm seventeen year old with forty followers,
Speaker 6: doesn't posted in seven months has my name and that's ridiculous.
Speaker 6: And then snapchat your boy Bananas. Uh, you could if
Speaker 6: you want some fabulous Johnny Banana's merch swag whatever real
Speaker 6: Johnny Bannas dot com.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for joining us. Seriously, Bananas.
Speaker 1: We do love and adore you, and it was so
Speaker 1: fun watching you in this game. So glad I didn't
Speaker 1: joy I get to watch on this side and I
Speaker 1: didn't end up going.
Speaker 2: I get to watch you guys be the.
Speaker 1: Underdogs, But thank you for just being a legend in
Speaker 1: this game and for making time to.
Speaker 2: Chat with us.
Speaker 6: Dude, thanks for having me, love you too, and uh yeah,
Speaker 6: I can't wait to continue to make more magic in
Speaker 6: the future.
Speaker 5: Ladies.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, love you, Nana Man, thank you buy bye.
Speaker 3: Well well, well, if it isn't Johnny ice Cream, I
Speaker 3: feel like hearing that story, that.
Speaker 4: Has to be his new name.
Speaker 3: I loved that we got to hear yes, and I
Speaker 3: loved the history and like, how cool is that that
Speaker 3: you're here Because of.
Speaker 1: Those things, his germs led to me being on this
Speaker 1: podcast with you, Tory, it did.
Speaker 2: It's such a special thing.
Speaker 3: I just want to I'm just gonna go up to
Speaker 3: a McDonald's and I'm just gonna thank them so much
Speaker 3: because what an awesome thing to have let us hear.
Speaker 5: Devin.
Speaker 3: Where can we follow you to learn more about your
Speaker 3: backstory and anything you want to share with the world.
Speaker 1: You guys can always follow me by just going to
Speaker 1: my website actually is the easiest devinsimone dot com Devin
Speaker 1: with the y smoth and I. You can also go
Speaker 1: to my Instagram that's Devin with y smoth and I,
Speaker 1: uh and TikTok Twitter sometimes. Oh, and make sure you
Speaker 1: go and follow my Amazon Live channel.
Speaker 5: Guys.
Speaker 1: We do some fun stuff over there, and let me
Speaker 1: know that you are Challenge official Challenge podcast listener. When
Speaker 1: we do go live in the chat and we'll shout
Speaker 1: you out and interact. It's a lot of fun and we.
Speaker 2: Usually do them weekly.
Speaker 1: So if you follow my Amazon channel, if you just
Speaker 1: go to Google Devin Simone and Amazon, it'll come up.
Speaker 2: But you can also access it for my website. So
Speaker 2: check it out. Now, where can they keep up with you?
Speaker 2: Miss toy Deal?
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Devin, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: You guys can follow me at Tory Underscore Deal on Instagram.
Speaker 4: Click the little link of my bio.
Speaker 3: It takes you to a bunch of different places and
Speaker 3: a bunch of different things I work on. But let's
Speaker 3: just get you to the Instagram first, because I mean,
Speaker 3: social media.
Speaker 4: Social media is overwhelming, you know, it really is. It's
Speaker 4: good to take a social media break.
Speaker 3: So I hope that when you listen to these episodes,
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Speaker 1: Too, absolutely, And then after you do that, make sure
Speaker 1: you catch new episodes of The Challenge USA airing on CBS.
Speaker 3: Yes, and we'll see you back here next week for
Speaker 3: a brand new episode of MTV's official Challenge podcast
Speaker 2: I really want some ice cream.