1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today, 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin. 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: I feel like the world really hasn't been the same 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: since September tenth, since Charlie Kirk's public execution. We're going 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: to talk about the mountain of evidence that is stacked 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: up against Robinson. Will he get the death penalty? And 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: then also will some of these conspiracies that we're hearing 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: on the left and the right, will that impact? Will 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: that tain't the juror prool We're going to ask Fox 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 1: News legal analyst Greg Jarrett, a colleague of mine. He's 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: also a best selling author and a former prosecutor. You 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: know who he is. He's got a lot of insight 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of these things we're going to ask him. 15 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,639 Speaker 1: We might also talk about the oj Simpson trial as well, 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: or their parallels to that was sort of the publicness, 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: the political nature of it. How much is all of 18 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: a different how much of a difference does that all make. 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm also going to get his take on Letitia James 20 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: sort of escaping justice and the Supreme Court is looking 21 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: at a whole bunch of things that might change the 22 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: political landscape. We're going to get Greg Jarrett's take on 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: that and so much more. Stay with us. Well, Greg Jarrett, 24 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: it's colleague from Fox News. It's great to have you 25 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: on my podcast. I really appreciate you making the. 26 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: Time my pleasure, Lisa. So we all. 27 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: Saw the horrific public execution of Charlie Kirk. Just a 28 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: horrendous time for the country. Tyler robertson face court for 29 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: the first time today. I mean from what you're the 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: attorney here, but from when I'm looking at it. You know, 31 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: they've got DNA forensics, they've got surveillance, you know, footage, 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: they've got what seems like admissions as well. How do 33 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: you describe sort of the evidence against him right now? 34 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: And you know how strong is this case against him 35 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: from your perspective. 36 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: Well, it's compelling. It's overwhelming evidence of guilt, provided that 37 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: the government government, when they seized, for example, documents, followed 38 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: the rules. Did they make sure, for example, that they 39 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: had obtained a search warrant when they went into his 40 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 2: home and found documents, when they seized his computer and 41 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: accessed it. I have to think that they did follow 42 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 2: the rules and you know, got the proper search warrant 43 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: to avoid what is typically a challenge by defense attorneys 44 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: under the Fourth Amendment unreasonable search and seizure to try 45 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: to toss out the incriminating evidence. That's a standard move. 46 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: We saw it recently play out in the Luigi Manzioni case. 47 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: He's the accused assassin of the healthcare CEO, and there 48 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: became quite a debating court pre trial as to whether 49 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: or not that evidence should be tossed. I'm sure that 50 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: it will not be, but you got to follow the rule, 51 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: so you know, the the evidence is considerable. I mean, 52 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: he allegedly confessed to one or more members of his 53 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 2: family who convinced him to turn himself in, and then 54 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: there's the text messages to his roommate that are highly 55 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 2: incriminating att but admitting that he did it. So it's 56 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: a pretty strong case. 57 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: Do you think, you know, do you think there's any 58 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: culpability on behalf of the roommate. Obviously he's not been 59 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: charged with anything, but what do you what do you 60 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: make of the roommate? 61 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: Well, it's a provocative question. If you look at his 62 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: responses in the text messages, he seems surprised at what 63 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: you know his roommate, the accused did, But if he 64 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: aided and embedded in any form or fashion, he can 65 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: be charged as an accessory before the fact, and if 66 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: he did anything at all to assist or to cover 67 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: up evidence, he could be charged as an accessory after 68 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: the fact. Now, I haven't seen any of that evidence 69 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: that would incriminate the roommate, but we just don't know yet. 70 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: It's still early. 71 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: Do you think when those things have already happened, would 72 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: he have already been charged to this point if they 73 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: believe the incredit incredit, the evidence existed, the incriminating evidence existed, 74 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: or have people been charged at a later point in 75 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: these sorts of investigations. 76 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think typically as soon as you gain the evidence, 77 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: you file the charges. The assassination happened in September, considerable 78 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: time has gone by so that enforcement, including the FBI, 79 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: can marshal together whatever evidence they have. And I would 80 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: think that you're correctly if if they had such evidence, 81 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: an indictment would have been rendered by now. But you know, 82 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: you never know. 83 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: You know, there's concerns. Obviously, this is highly political you know, 84 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk was a public figure. It's been widely reported about. 85 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: You know, we sort of have conspiracies going on in 86 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: both left wing and right wing circles. Is it going 87 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: to be difficult to find an impartial jury or do 88 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: you worry a little bit about a tainting of the 89 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: jury pool given just the political nature the publicness of 90 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: all of this. 91 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 2: You know, I covered the OJ Simpson case from beginning 92 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: to end nine months in Los Angeles, where I used 93 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 2: to practice law, by the way back in the mid 94 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 2: nineteen nineties, and there was a high profile case with 95 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of pre trial publicity. That was it beginning, 96 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: you know, with a slow speed chase, and yet they 97 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: were able to find what the court determined to be 98 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: a fair and impartial jury. He was acquitted, So that 99 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: sort of neutralizes the argument of pre trial publicity extending 100 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 2: to the detriment of the accused. He was acquitted. I 101 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: think most of America, along with myself and I knew 102 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: it back then, have come to realize that he was 103 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: dead bank guilty, and a civil jury determined it too. 104 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I've never seen such overwhelming evidence of guilt 105 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: in any of the thousand trials that I've covered or tried, 106 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 2: so you know, I think you always have to be 107 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: cautious about pre trial publicity. But I was happy to 108 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: see the result today where the judge decided that there'll 109 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: be cameras in the courtroom at least for today's proceeding. 110 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: I think that will extend to the trial. You know, 111 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: the sixth Amendment, the Bill of Rights guarantees public trials. 112 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: It is the ultimate form of accountability when the government 113 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: prosecutes somebody. And if we're going to have faith and 114 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: confidence in our justice system, we must be able to 115 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: see it at work with our own eyes. And you know, 116 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: our framers did away with the secret star chambers in Europe, 117 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: where the public never knew whether the legal process was 118 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: fair because it was hidden behind closed doors. That was 119 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: anathema to America's principles of freedom and transparency. And you know, 120 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: public trials have a great deal of benefits. When people 121 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: can watch and listen to the evidence and testimony. It 122 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: caunteracts misinformation that often proliferates in high profile cases. It 123 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: deters perjury when a person knows that the public is watching, 124 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: and I think it gives more effective and professional trials. 125 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: When the judges and lawyer lawyers know that there is 126 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: a larger public audience, they prepare more, they try harder, 127 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: and you know, often the general public is excluded from 128 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: trials for practical reasons. There are only limited number of 129 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: seats in any given court room. What about the people 130 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: who can't afford to travel to the venue to watch 131 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: a case in which they have an interest. But you know, 132 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: in the high tech media age, trials are now accessible 133 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: to everyone and at any time. You can watch it 134 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: at home live, or you can record it and watch 135 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 2: it when you come home from work, and it enhances 136 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: the public's education about our justice system. So I think 137 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,359 Speaker 2: the judge's decision today was correct. 138 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: So this is Rana, But just a follow up question 139 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: to the oj trial. Wasn't he acquitted for more or 140 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: less political reasons? Like there were a lot of racial 141 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: political attentions at the time following the Rhyne and King riots. 142 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the case should have been tried in 143 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: the Santa Monica jurisdiction where he would have I think, 144 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: received a much more fair and honest trial. And the 145 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 2: moment that gil Garcetti, the DA decided for convenience sake 146 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: to move it to downtown Los Angeles. I sat on 147 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: the air at the time, this is trouble, and you know, 148 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: I know La like the back of my hand, and 149 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: I tried cases there and I knew the moment that happened, 150 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: it was going to be trouble for the prosecution because 151 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 2: people in downtown Los Angeles back then in the nineteen nineties, 152 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: and you know, all the riots and the Rodney King 153 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: and so forth, they distrusted cops. And this is a 154 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 2: cop case, the O. J. Simpson case, and so you 155 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: they didn't believe the police when they took the witness stand, 156 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: and they were more than willing to buy into the 157 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: absurd argument by the defense that the blood evidence had 158 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: been planted by police to incriminate O. J. Simpson. It 159 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: was ludicrous, and yet they were looking for a hook 160 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: because they hated cops. And the other part of the 161 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 2: equation is Johnny Cochrane, who was a very fine Lawyer's 162 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: passed away since but you know, he turned it into 163 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: a race case when race had nothing whatsoever to do 164 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: with it, and so that of course inflamed the jury 165 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: and the not guilty of verdicts were the result. 166 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, you know, because it's interesting because obviously 167 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: you had mentioned like social media, we have a different 168 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: level of sort of reach in terms of some of 169 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: these big public trials. But it's sort of like a 170 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: little bit of politics have kind of always been injected 171 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: in a lot of these things. To your point with 172 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: the OJ so the Utah judge, tiny grap has allowed 173 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: Robinson to appear in street clothes. How much do visuals 174 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: like that impact a jurist perspective, like how important are 175 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: those little things? 176 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: Well, sometimes it's the little things that end up mattering. Now, look, 177 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 2: I was a defense attorney and I've always been in 178 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: favor of civilian clothes in court appearances, particularly where you know, 179 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 2: cameras are there, because that information, those images get dispensed 180 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: to the general public. And when you see somebody in 181 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: an orange jumpsuit creates the presumption of guilt, and of 182 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: course we operate on the presumption of innocence. And it's 183 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: a small matter when you get right down to it, really, well, 184 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 2: I mean, why does he need to be wearing a jumpsuit? 185 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,239 Speaker 2: Give him, you know, some khaki pants and a blue shirt, 186 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: and you know, make sure that you're not prejudicing the 187 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 2: potential jury pool with negative images. So it's the right 188 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: decision in this case. It should always be that way. 189 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: You know, Utah prosecutors by understanding a file notice to 190 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: seek the death penalty. Do you think this will be 191 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: a death penalty case with Robinson? Do you think he'll 192 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: get the death penalty? 193 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to say. I've always been against 194 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: the death penalty ever since I read the closing argument 195 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 2: by the fame defense attorney Clarence Darrow and the Leopold 196 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: and Loeb case back in nineteen twenty five. And you know, 197 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: you can read his closing argument online. There have been 198 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: books that published his closing argument, and he made a 199 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: great many valid arguments, but the one that always resonated 200 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: with me was that how do we tell society that 201 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: it's wrong to kill when we as a government kill. 202 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: And he also argued that it is a far greater 203 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: punishment to spend the rest of your living days in 204 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: the equivalent of a cage death by lethal injection or 205 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: hanging or firing squad or whatever it has been historically 206 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: is easier, according to Clarence Darrow, and I think he 207 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: made some valid points about that. So you know, I've 208 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 2: always been against the death penalty, whether or not it'll 209 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: go that far. In this particular case, it's certainly ripe 210 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: for that under the law, a cold blooded assassination, assuming 211 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: guilt is established in a court of law by the jury. 212 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I would be for the death penalty, but 213 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: because I would argue that Tyler Robinson. You know, because 214 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: sometimes in these incidents, like in a lot of these 215 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: school shootings or what have you, like, there's sort of 216 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: an understanding and uh, a desire to be killed in 217 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: the mission, right, we see a lot of right, like, 218 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: there's sort of this expectation like that's what they want, 219 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, they want to go down, that's their anticipation. 220 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: With Tyler Robinson, Uh, it didn't seem to want to 221 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: you know. Obviously he exited the scene and he was 222 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, took to some planning in his exit, and 223 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: so he clearly didn't want to die in the process. 224 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: And so for me, I don't know if it's a 225 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: worse fate for someone his age just spend the rest 226 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: of his life in jail or die, because clearly he 227 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: didn't want to die. 228 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a moral question. Yeah, and I appreciate both 229 00:14:54,680 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: sides of the equation. It's just for me. I i'ved 230 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: at my own moral determination decades ago. I was a 231 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 2: teenager when I read the Leopold and Loeb case in 232 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: Clarence Darrow's defense, which was the most brilliant two day 233 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: closing argument ever brought the judge to tears any rate. 234 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: I you know, there are very few assassins who go 235 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 2: on suicide missions, although one can argue perhaps that's exactly 236 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: you know, what the young attempted assassination assassin did in 237 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: you know, trying to take out President Trump on the 238 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: campaign trail. But you know, most most people who kill 239 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: try to get away with it. And I've never seen 240 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: any valid, credible study that says the death penalty is 241 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: a deterrence to murder. But if somebody can produce one, 242 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: let me know. 243 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I would probably argue that I you know, 244 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: I think if someone's committed to conduct murderer, I don't know, 245 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, clearly the laws and the books aren't to 246 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: turn either, right, so they're they're committed to doing something wrong, 247 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: and you can try to do things to put up 248 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: hurdles in terms of you know, not if you have 249 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: a criminal record not being able to stain the weapon, 250 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: but then they stealed up right. We do, we do 251 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: our best to put up a roadboox with some of 252 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: these bad guys. But you know, unfortunately, or you look 253 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: at someone like Tyl Robertson, for instance, who didn't I understanding, 254 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: didn't have the history that you know, would have flagged 255 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: necessarily him doing something like this, right and that that 256 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: that seems to be the case often and these sorts 257 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: of things. How long do you think this trial will take? 258 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: When do you think they'll get Charlie Kirk and his 259 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: family will get justice? 260 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: Well, as long as they don't have Lantito as the judge. 261 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: It was famously the judge and the OJ Simpson case. 262 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: If Frankly shouldn't take that long, I would would say 263 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 2: a month. I'm just guessing here. I think what may 264 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: be lengthy is upon conviction than the penalty phase. And 265 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: I you know, I can tell you from experience, and 266 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: I've been a lawyer for forty five years that really 267 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: that's what these defense attorneys are going to be focusing on. 268 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: They're going to try, like Darrow, to save their client's life. 269 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: And you know, it's often a calculation of aggravating versus 270 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 2: mitigating circumstances. And you know, the aggravating nature of it 271 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: is the assassination itself a very violent act, planning in premeditation. 272 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: Clearly there was that, according to the government, and so 273 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: all of those are you know, aggravating circumstances. Are there 274 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: any mitigating? Again, Darrow is useful. In the Leopoldan lob case, 275 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 2: he cited not mental illness per se, but a diminished capacity. 276 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: That these were two troubled young men who had kidnapped 277 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: Bobby Franks to try to prove that they were smarter 278 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: than anybody else and could get away with the perfect crime. 279 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: And but their history growing up was, you know, two 280 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: deeply troubled kids. And so I think we may see 281 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: some of that in the Tyler Robinson case, mitigating circumstances 282 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: of some form of diminished capacity that you know, he 283 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: had demons, and that the court should take that into consideration. 284 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: Got to take a quick commercial break more with Greg 285 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: Jarrett on the other side, you know, before we move 286 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: on to another topic. Is there anything you think we've 287 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: missed in the discussion about Tyler Robinson and anything that 288 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: happened today that should be brought up. 289 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: No, I think that's about it. I think there'll be 290 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 2: two phases of this, the challenge to the evidence by 291 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,239 Speaker 2: the defense. I don't think it will succeed, and then 292 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: a second, of course, will be the trial itself. But 293 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: I you know, based on what we know, what's been 294 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: made public so far, it's pretty compelling evidence of guilt, 295 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 2: and so I think the defense will really try to focus, 296 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: you know, make prosecutors prove their case, try to poke 297 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: holes in it whenever you can. But I think they've 298 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: probably reconciled themselves to the fact that their client will 299 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: be convicted and then the real battle begins to save 300 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: his life. 301 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: That makes sense. So it looks like New York Attorney 302 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: General Letitia James is going to escape this mortgage fraud 303 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: case that's been brought against her. The Justice Bermittfield again 304 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: to indict her. This is the second time this has 305 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: happened with her. There's a grand jury in Virginia that 306 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: rejected the prosecutor's leadest attempt to charge her previously. Why 307 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: do you why do you think that is? Is there 308 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: just not enough evidence there is? This? Is she sort 309 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: of being politically protected or or you know, how do 310 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: you see it. 311 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 2: I think she's being protected by the grand jurors. And look, 312 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: it doesn't surprise me one bit. She was originally indicted 313 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 2: by a grand jury in Alexandria, but of course a 314 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 2: judge in the West String District issued a ruling that 315 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: the interim or acting US attorney had been improperly appointed. 316 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 2: Now that's on appeal. I'm not sure they filed the 317 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 2: appellate papers yet, but the Department of Justice and the 318 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: Attorney General said they're going to appeal that ruling. Now, 319 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: if they prevail on appeal, let's say it goes Supreme 320 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: Court Court says, wait a minute, the President has the 321 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 2: sole power of appointment and Congress can't take that away. 322 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 2: Then the original indictment is reinstated as it was, and 323 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: so she would then be prosecuted. But in the meantime, 324 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: it doesn't surprise me that second and third attempts to 325 00:21:54,680 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: reindict her with a different US attorney the helm failed 326 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: because once the first indictment was handed down, this became 327 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: an intense and very public political football. And you know, 328 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: grandeurors don't live in isolation, they don't live in a bubble. 329 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: And you know, once this became politicized thanks to Letitia James, 330 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: thanks to Democrats, thanks to the media. I think those 331 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 2: grandeurors reacted in a very partisan way by saying, well, 332 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 2: you came back to us, now we're not going to 333 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: do it all over again. And there were two different 334 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: grand juries here, understand. So last week it was a 335 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: Norfolk grand jury. This week it was an Alexandria, Virginia 336 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 2: grand jury. In both decided not to reindict. But that 337 00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that the original one might still exist if 338 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: the appellate court reverses the decision to dismiss the US attorney. 339 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: So we're talking about the strikes on the Narco terrorists, 340 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: the Venezuela and Narco terrorists. Obviously, those on the left 341 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: have raised questions of legality and facts, and former members 342 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: of the military and intelligence on the left, members of 343 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: Congress did a video sort of instructing military individuals that 344 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: they don't have to follow unlawful orders. They have not 345 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: outrighted said specifically that they believe the strikes are unlawful, 346 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: but have sort of said that, you know, they think 347 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: it's in limbo, and they have pointed to that are 348 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: these strikes legal and if so, like what's the justification 349 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: for them. 350 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 2: Well, these are venezuela and drug cartels smuggling deadly fentanyl 351 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 2: and cocaine into the United States. That's the position of 352 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 2: the Trump administration. And they say, you know, and we 353 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 2: know this that more than three hundred thousand young Americans 354 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 2: have been killed as a consequence. I mean, it's essentially murder. 355 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 2: And the administration has every legal right to defend its 356 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: citizens from the lethal poison by using lethal military force. 357 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: It's always been that way. It's more than a right, 358 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: it's a duty of the president, and it is absolutely 359 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: lawful under both US and international law, and it complies 360 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 2: fully with the law of armed conflict. Hey, look, Maduro's 361 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 2: murderous regime is behind the smuggling. We know that, we 362 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: have proof of that. And the cartels are officially designated 363 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: by our government as armed terrorist organizations and as such 364 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: their enemy combatants. They can be legally targeted by Trump 365 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: under the President's Article two constitutional war powers. And know 366 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: you don't need consent from Congress because it was given 367 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: by Congress long ago when they approved the Authorization for 368 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 2: Use of Military Force it's known as the AUMF. Now 369 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 2: that resolution granted the President the power to act against 370 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 2: terrorism of any kind, and his only obligation is to 371 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 2: notify Congress, which he did and as a precaution, I mean, 372 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 2: the White House received approval in advance from the Department 373 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel, written opinions citing the 374 00:25:54,320 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 2: Hague Conventions, the Geneva Conventions, and US law. Look, you know, 375 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: past presidents Lisa have used the so called War on 376 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: Terrorism statutes, the au MF principally to take similar actions. 377 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 2: I mean, Democrats and their media handma maidens, you know, 378 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: are raging against Trump, but they didn't seem to care 379 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: when Barack Obama went after terrorism targets with deadly drune strikes, 380 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: routinely carrying out the so called double chaps Obama approved. 381 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 2: I think it's five hundred and forty strikes killing thirty 382 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: four hundred people. Biden did the same thing in Yemen, 383 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 2: in Syria and Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. When Obama and 384 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: Biden did it, it was perfectly lawful. When Trump does it, 385 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: it's somehow war crimes. No, it's not. That's legally absurd. 386 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: Well, I think too, you know, to your point with 387 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: President Trump designating the cartels as foreign terror organizations. He's 388 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: fighting the war against these narco terrorists in the same way, 389 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: to your point, as we have fought you know, Islamic 390 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: terrorists in the past. And so he's basically saying that 391 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: they're not dissimilar. And so it seems like that's sort 392 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: of the disconnect where obviously those on the left aren't 393 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: seeing it from the same perspective. 394 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there are a wide variety of terrorists 395 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: and terrorism. One form of it is you know, deadly 396 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 2: poison that is introduced into the United States in the 397 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,239 Speaker 2: form of pentanol and other synthetic opioids. I mean, if 398 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 2: it were mustard gas, would we be complaining now? And 399 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 2: you know, under the law of armed conflict again the 400 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 2: Hague Conventions, the Geneva Conventions more recently, enemy combatants can 401 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 2: be lawfully targeted with deadly force in any hostilities, those 402 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: who are detected. And that's really what the law of 403 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 2: armed conflict is all about, to protect certain classification of individuals, civilians, 404 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: medical workers, religious personnel. Wounded, six soldiers, prisoners of war. 405 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: Well that's not what happened here. Other drug traffickers were 406 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: not mere innocence and non participants. They were enemy combatants, 407 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 2: as I say, and therefore they receive no protection whatsoever 408 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 2: under international law. It's pretty clear what do you. 409 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: Make of the argument from the left, because they'll say, well, 410 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: look like pentanol is coming from Mexico, it's primarily transferred 411 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: via land or you know, even if look at cocaine, 412 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: it you know, typically comes from you know, Colombia, and 413 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: now Venezuela serves is a transit hub for at least 414 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, some cocaine, but it's not you know, that's 415 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: not where the producing is coming. And the bulk of 416 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: it's coming from me Go or Colombia from cocaine. So, 417 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: you know, do you think there's a justification in that, 418 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: like why target Venezuela. 419 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: Then, well, as President Trump said, Colombia may be next, 420 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: and if the Mexican government doesn't do anything about their cartels, 421 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: we may have to take action ourselves. Look, this is 422 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: a president who ran on a great many different platforms, 423 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: but one significant one was to stop the deadly flow 424 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: of poisonous drugs into the United States from countries like Venezuela, 425 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 2: from Mexico, from Colombia, and the ingredients coming from China, 426 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: which are then shipped to those other countries. And you know, 427 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: this is part of his fulfillment of the promises he 428 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: made to the electorate that voted him in office for 429 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: giving him a mandate to do precisely what he promised 430 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: he'd do. 431 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: Click break stay with us. If you like what you're hearing, 432 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: please share in social media or send it to your 433 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: family and friends. You know, obviously we're still waiting on 434 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: some big Supreme Court cases that will dictate things like jerrymandering. What, Kate, 435 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: what are you looking for? You know, what sort of 436 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: on I know you had mentioned one specific ruling that 437 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: you're waiting for with President Trump and firings, but sort 438 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: of what's on your radar? What are you paying attention to? 439 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's obvious that the Supreme Court will never 440 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 2: intrude on cases of political jerry mandarine, only in cases 441 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: of racial jerry mandarine. Now, that was their decision an 442 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: important case back in twenty nineteen, and it was reiterated 443 00:30:52,880 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: more recently when the Supreme Court rejected the petitioner's bid 444 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: to stop the most recent redistricting in the state of 445 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: Texas that was done by Republicans, and they said there's 446 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: no racial bias here in this remapping. This is all political, 447 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: and we have no jurisdiction to get involved in politics. 448 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 2: So I think that has a very significant impact on 449 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: other states. As long as the redistricting is not done 450 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: for racial reasons, states can do as they please and 451 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court will not interfere, and that applies to 452 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: both jerrymandering in blue states as well as red states. 453 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 2: The other significant case I listened to the oral arguments 454 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 2: on Monday of this week was on whether Trump has 455 00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 2: the authority to fire an individual on the Federal Trade 456 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 2: Commission the FTC, and it's pretty clear that the Justices 457 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: are going to side with Trump that as chief executive, 458 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 2: he of the executive branch, he can fire agency appointees 459 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 2: with or without cause. You know, when the FTC was 460 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: set up in nineteen fourteen is a so called independent commission. 461 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 2: Congress passed a law at the time that usurped the 462 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 2: constitutional power of the president. They took part of his 463 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 2: power of appointment away, and it was wrong then, it 464 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: was wrong now, and it was wrong when the Supreme 465 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: Court ninety years ago, in nineteen thirty five, the so 466 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:56,479 Speaker 2: called Humphreys Executor case, cited that nineteen fourteen statute, and 467 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 2: they stopped the president from firing an FTC commission was 468 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 2: it was a stupid decision. It was you know, it 469 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 2: tortured the constitution. And the result of that errant decision 470 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 2: was ginormous. It's been catastrophic since nineteen thirty five. It 471 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: essentially created a powerful fourth branch of government, this alphabet 472 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 2: soup of bureaucracies that are accountable to no one, and 473 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 2: they rage out of control. And you know, Gorsch pointed 474 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 2: that out in particulares. Since when do we have a 475 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 2: fourth branch of government? It's nowhere in the constitution. It 476 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: is anathetical to the very way that our founders set 477 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: up our constitutional republic. So I think the Supreme Court 478 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 2: is clearly going to reverse the Humphrey case of nineteen 479 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 2: thirty I've been finally and belatedly restore presidential power over 480 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 2: not just the FTC, but dozens of these rogue federal agencies. 481 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 2: The president will be able to fire just about anybody 482 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 2: except saving accept let's say, the governors of the you know, 483 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 2: Fed Bank, the Federal Reserve. 484 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we should prepare for those on 485 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 1: the left to light their hair on fire because looking 486 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: at the high profile cases are going to be decided soon, 487 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: birthright citizenship, there's a transgender healthcare one about banning transgender 488 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: surgeries for minors, and you know, pubity blockers and all 489 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: that stuff. And then there's a religious charter schools one. 490 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: There is another immigration, and then other cases on the 491 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: docket that they're either going to hear or considering. You've 492 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: got the voting rights one that we discussed, the Louisiana 493 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: Voting Rights Act one, and then a campaign finance one. 494 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: There's going to be. 495 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be. 496 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: It's going to be. 497 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 2: You know, according to my account, he's won seventeen straight 498 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 2: in overall twenty three, which is an incredible I mean, 499 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 2: that's like to use a baseball analogy, that's that's like 500 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 2: a Ted Williams batting average. I mean, it's it's astonishing, 501 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 2: especially when you consider he's only been in office for 502 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 2: eleven months and ten months really, so you know, they'll look, 503 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 2: he's had more than four hundred lawsuits filed against him. 504 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 2: Every time he sneezes somebody, you know, Democrats run to 505 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 2: court and uh, you know, file a lawsuit against him. 506 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 2: So everything's being challenged but you know, I look at 507 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 2: a lot of these cases that are brought against him, 508 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 2: and they're silly and frivolous, and you know, he's able 509 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 2: to overcome it in the higher courts, particularly the Supreme Court. 510 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 2: You know, too many of these district court judges have 511 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 2: totally disavowed the rule of law and decided to make 512 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 2: their decisions because they hate Trump. I mean, they're suffering 513 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 2: from a terminal psycho pathology known as Trump derangement syndrome, 514 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 2: and so they just ignore the law and they rule 515 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 2: against Trump almost routinely, and you know, it's a shame. 516 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 2: But it is then up to the higher courts to 517 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 2: correct those mistakes. 518 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: It will be Yeah, you said it's only been, it 519 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: feels like it's been. I think we're living in dog 520 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: ears because he moves so quickly, so it feels like 521 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: it does the amount of news we cover on a 522 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 1: daily basis. He's keeping us busy and he's keeping us employed. Gregs. 523 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to keep up with a guy, I mean, sir. 524 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: Every time and every time I out number, there was 525 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: like always some breaking news or he gives some press 526 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: conference and then makes news. 527 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 2: Oh I know, it's incredible. He doesn't get much sleep. 528 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: I know we need sleep. Though we might not need sleep, 529 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: but we need sleep. Greg Jarrett, I appreciate you very interesting, 530 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: good stuff. 531 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 2: Oh anytime, Lisa, happy to be on with you. I 532 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 2: consider it to be a pleasure to get to talk 533 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 2: to you. 534 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: Oh well, I appreciate that when we will definitely have 535 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: you back soon. 536 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 2: Okay, take care. 537 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: It was Greg Jarrett. Appreciate him for making the time. 538 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, 539 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. I also want 540 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: to thank my producer, John Katsio for putting the show together. 541 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: Until next time.