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Speaker 1: So look. Week ten featured seven teams of the AP
Speaker 1: Top twenty five going down. Yes, we had Penn State,
Speaker 1: we had Texas A and M. We had Iowa State, Clemson,
Speaker 1: Kansas State, Pitt and Illinois. Of those teams, Texas A
Speaker 1: and M Clemson and pitt All lost at night while
Speaker 1: we were recording. I would also add Iowa State lost
Speaker 1: while we were in the car, Kansas State lost while
Speaker 1: we were in the car. Illinois happened a little bit
Speaker 1: earlier in the day. That was one that we had
Speaker 1: telegraphed as part of my locks yep on our previous
Speaker 1: preview episode. But definitely an active week with respect to rankings,
Speaker 1: which leads me to where we are right now with
Speaker 1: Harvard Baller top twelve. Got a new one that is
Speaker 1: out there, number twelve, Boise State crack in the top twelve,
Speaker 1: number eleven, SMU welcome to the dance, my friends, number ten,
Speaker 1: notere Dame now firmly in our top twelve. They hadn't
Speaker 1: been there before. Peeking back in Tennessee at nine, BYU
Speaker 1: at eight. Penn State drops all the way down to
Speaker 1: number seven, but still very much in the thick of
Speaker 1: things here. Indiana all the way up to number six.
Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, wooh, finally getting a little bit of love
Speaker 1: for the Hoosiers. Top five is Texas at five, Miami
Speaker 1: at four, Georgia at three, Ohio State at two, Oregon,
Speaker 1: Your Oregon Ducks a comfortable first place in this poll.
Speaker 1: Also add before I get your comments, Alabama is thirteen, Ole,
Speaker 1: Missus fourteen, Army fifteen, Texas A, and m sixteen in
Speaker 1: LSU at seventeen. Any reactions, any thoughts to that top twelve?
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I mean the conversation around number three is fascinating,
Speaker 3: though it's hard for me to put Texas there, obviously
Speaker 3: losing to Georgia the way that they did, hard for
Speaker 3: me to put Miami there in terms of strength of
Speaker 3: performance that you know, there's no good answer for number
Speaker 3: three in this moment. Georgia won an absolute clunker given
Speaker 3: Carson Beck's interception issues against Florida, and it's difficult to
Speaker 3: say Indiana, even with an undefeated record in a power
Speaker 3: conference like a slam dunket number three, given who they've played.
Speaker 3: Now you can say they've performed like a number three
Speaker 3: team should with a weirdly weak schedule. And I understand
Speaker 3: why they scheduled down in the non conference, because Indiana
Speaker 3: has been long a program scheduling to get to a ballgame,
Speaker 3: and so they weren't even thinking about like style, points
Speaker 3: and record and any of that kind of stuff, because
Speaker 3: why would you given the history of Indiana football. So
Speaker 3: that's sort of defensible that they're sort of not in
Speaker 3: that number three conversation. And I don't think, what are
Speaker 3: they in the eight.
Speaker 1: People yet there's somewhere in that vicinity. Yes, six, seven, eight, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've now cracked the top ten, which good for them.
Speaker 1: They should be there given the way they've played. Definitely,
Speaker 1: and to your point, this schedule definitely predates Kurt Signetti
Speaker 1: and all this renewed optimism around the program. Like you said,
Speaker 1: they're trying to get too a bowl game that was
Speaker 1: kind of seen as the stepping stone, but never in
Speaker 1: their wildest dreams did we did they did we expect
Speaker 1: that they'd be in the thick of this thing come
Speaker 1: mid November.
Speaker 3: In terms of if we are once again just looking
Speaker 3: at this poll, is it a poll that combines who
Speaker 3: we think are the twelve best teams or the twelve
Speaker 3: best resumes or everything you know that goes into a ranking,
Speaker 3: like I happen to think Ole Miss is probably one
Speaker 3: of the best dozen teams in the country right now.
Speaker 3: Even with the injuries. Trey Harris didn't play against Arkansas,
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit thin at running back at
Speaker 3: the moment. Set in records. The defense I think might
Speaker 3: be leading the nation in sacks. They're playing at their best,
Speaker 3: as complete a football game as most, if not all,
Speaker 3: of the sport, and so that's an O mission And
Speaker 3: I get it because of the loss to Kentucky. Totally
Speaker 3: defensible why you would leave them out. But if we're
Speaker 3: just having that conversation about who are the twelve best
Speaker 3: teams in the country, I think you're doing a little
Speaker 3: bit of an injustice leaving will miss out.
Speaker 1: We opened up this poll to all of our Patreon members,
Speaker 1: so those who are certified in Premium for Ballers, also
Speaker 1: those who join on the free tier, just to get
Speaker 1: more opinions because things are starting to heat up now,
Speaker 1: I think again with respect to how these teams sack up.
Speaker 1: We're going to see the first round of playoff rankings
Speaker 1: on Tuesday evening for those who care to pay attention.
Speaker 3: We a little distraction. Yeah yeah, nice distraction.
Speaker 1: We'll see how it compares to this for ball Oer
Speaker 1: Top twelve poll. Again, this is voted on by our
Speaker 1: community and everybody kind of has their own measure for it.
Speaker 1: We have some folks that want to put Vandy in
Speaker 1: the top twelve. We have others that take it. You know,
Speaker 1: I think from your standpoint of well, I don't care
Speaker 1: what the records are. I'm just looking at this in
Speaker 1: terms of who I think the best teams are, right,
Speaker 1: I've tried to take something of a hybrid approach, though
Speaker 1: not including Vandy, I would add, and I find it
Speaker 1: interesting that we've now got some new teams that are
Speaker 1: that are peeking their way into this thing. It took
Speaker 1: a while for people to get comfortable again with putting
Speaker 1: Notre Dame in their top twelve. That' SMU finally getting
Speaker 1: something of a boost after playing really good football, progressively
Speaker 1: better football after that loss earlier in the year, to BYU,
Speaker 1: even BYU. I feel like our voters have struggled with
Speaker 1: where do we put BYU. If you take the poll
Speaker 1: points the way I calculate them, you can use that
Speaker 1: to figure out where the decision points are. Right now,
Speaker 1: Oregon is a clear number one, Yes, Ohio State and
Speaker 1: Georgia damn near tied for that second spot. All right, So,
Speaker 1: even though Georgia did have a bit of a clunker
Speaker 1: this past weekend against Florida, it stands to reason that
Speaker 1: at least our for baller hood still feels pretty confident
Speaker 1: in Georgia. Miami a very comfortable fourth in front of Texas.
Speaker 1: Texas are very comfortable fifth in front of Indiana. Once
Speaker 1: you get to six, this is when things start to
Speaker 1: get interesting. There's still a nice gap between Indiana and
Speaker 1: Penn State, but after you get to seven, seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 1: like the whole way down, it's very very tight. How
Speaker 1: the committee kind of susses all this out would be
Speaker 1: really interesting to see. I don't know what to expect there.
Speaker 1: I don't take the first round of polling that seriously,
Speaker 1: of course, but it will be interesting just to get
Speaker 1: kind of like a check as for how the Committe
Speaker 1: feels about what it's seen so far.
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure I understand why Penn State is
Speaker 3: where they are on this list. You play in a
Speaker 3: big game, a top ten matchup at home and score
Speaker 3: how many offensive touchdowns tie once exactly zero, exactly zero.
Speaker 3: Now we don't know what b y you would do
Speaker 3: at home against Ohio State. We don't know what Indiana
Speaker 3: would do. We don't know what Tennessee would do, we
Speaker 3: don't know what Notre Dame would do. But we know
Speaker 3: what Penn State would do, and that is not all
Speaker 3: that much, and so I'm with them in like that
Speaker 3: ten to eleven range instead and having to prove themselves
Speaker 3: to be a top ten team given that the results
Speaker 3: this year to that point, as we talked about on
Speaker 3: the preview show, little to no throttle on offense all
Speaker 3: year long, that they are just in general, you know,
Speaker 3: distancing themselves from clearly lesser teams. That's that's not the
Speaker 3: Penn state of twenty twenty four, and it feels like
Speaker 3: they're in that spot, whether it's the A People Coaches
Speaker 3: Poll or even more important for Ballerpol that they're getting
Speaker 3: a benefit of the doubt for an unclear reason right now.
Speaker 1: Well, I think this week will help us sort things
Speaker 1: out a little bit further agreat. We've got Georgia on
Speaker 1: the road at ol Miss, We've got Alabama on the
Speaker 1: road at LSU, We've got BYU on the road at
Speaker 1: Utah and the Holy War. Even games like Colorado Texas
Speaker 1: Tech have a lot of intrigue associated with them. There
Speaker 1: are suddenly real conference implications for some of these games
Speaker 1: that we couldn't have dreamt up weeks ago. So we'll
Speaker 1: get into that and much much more either on today's
Speaker 1: episode or as we get into the preview, but as
Speaker 1: we have advertised this show as sort of our opportunity
Speaker 1: to take a look back at what we missed. Let's
Speaker 1: talk week ten again. Dan, Let's what did you have
Speaker 1: the pleasure of going back and watching where did your
Speaker 1: where did your attention go? First? When you look at
Speaker 1: the sheet, realize what we still had to cover, and
Speaker 1: decided to fire up the nefarious YouTube streams and watch
Speaker 1: a game. I think Texas Tech won their game in
Speaker 1: such a losing effort that I cannot believe Iowa State
Speaker 1: lost that game. I cannot believe Baron Morton threw two
Speaker 1: picks in the opening part of the middle eight within
Speaker 1: like a minute and a half of time, want first opportunity.
Speaker 1: Iowa State went three and out in like twenty seconds.
Speaker 1: And then they score a touchdown right before halftime, get
Speaker 1: the ball back after halftime, and lose their first fumble
Speaker 1: I think of season.
Speaker 3: I think that's what I saw. Their tight end got
Speaker 3: it punched out from behind as they were driving. It
Speaker 3: starts raining like crazy near the end of the game,
Speaker 3: and somehow Texas Tech. Texas Tech puts together like a
Speaker 3: twelve play buck forty two long drive down the field
Speaker 3: in the rain, surviving a third and fifteen, a fourth
Speaker 3: and seven, and are able to punch it in with
Speaker 3: I don't know, twenty seconds left something like that, and
Speaker 3: somehow hold on to win that game. I don't it was.
Speaker 3: It was a cocktail. It was a losing cocktail that
Speaker 3: somehow came together for Texas Tech. I could not believe
Speaker 3: watching that game back, and they had the performances right.
Speaker 3: Josh Kelly was very good and was an absolute dude,
Speaker 3: especially early on in that game. TODJ. Brooks continues to
Speaker 3: be a dude. Baron Morton did make plays. I just
Speaker 3: can't believe the stolen possessions and the freak fumble loss
Speaker 3: all added up to losing this game for Iowa State
Speaker 3: in the rain, Right, it was going to be so
Speaker 3: difficult for Texas Tech to move the ball down the
Speaker 3: field against the quality Iowa State defense. And credit to
Speaker 3: Texas tack of course, of course, credit to Texas Tech.
Speaker 3: Win your clunkers, of course, of course, of course, win
Speaker 3: is a win. I can't believe Iowa State.
Speaker 1: Lost this game and Texas Tech now finds itself in
Speaker 1: a position of real consequence. That's not to say that
Speaker 1: they have a great chance of winning the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1: I don't think they have much chance at all of
Speaker 1: winning the Big Twelve, if I'm being honest with you,
Speaker 1: But they definitely have a chance to impact the way
Speaker 1: that that conference shakes out, not the least of which
Speaker 1: is this game this weekend against Colorado.
Speaker 3: I cannot believe it.
Speaker 1: I was curious what happened in that one. I put
Speaker 1: the call out on our discord, and people were just like,
Speaker 1: Iowa State kept stalling out. They kept stalling out, they
Speaker 1: had some mistakes. It was totally unfounding that they would
Speaker 1: lose that game, because it felt like they were good
Speaker 1: enough to win. But we know the way that sometimes
Speaker 1: these games go, especially in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 3: It was twenty two to seventeen Iowa State with two
Speaker 3: minutes left with I think a long field right seventy
Speaker 3: one yard drive, so yeah, a not insignificant amount of
Speaker 3: yardage to cover in the rain. I can't believe. I
Speaker 3: just I watched that game and I knew what had happened.
Speaker 3: It had happened twenty four hours early, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I must have seen the results wrong here. This is
Speaker 3: an impossible game for Iowa State to lose. Yes, the
Speaker 3: offense was not on track at all and they couldn't
Speaker 3: generate bigger plays consistently ied the touchdom pass of Jaden
Speaker 3: Higgins the lone touchdown pass.
Speaker 1: Its great, But man, I first went to the South
Speaker 1: Carolina win over Texas A and M.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you and I were watching this one a little
Speaker 1: bit in the car as we were stuck in Michigan
Speaker 1: stadium traffic.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: South Carolina ended up winning forty four to twenty. A
Speaker 1: game was at home and Williams Brice over Texas A
Speaker 1: and M. A and M was fine high right and
Speaker 1: was the only unbeaten team in the SEC. That obviously
Speaker 1: is no longer the case. I was really struck. First off,
Speaker 1: South Carolina came out like a ball on fire, Yes,
Speaker 1: a ball on fire away, jumped on A and M,
Speaker 1: had a long drive, scored a touchdown like right away,
Speaker 1: right away. South Carolina was in this one to win it.
Speaker 1: Over the course of this game, though, for them to
Speaker 1: amass two hundred and eighty six yards and three touchdowns
Speaker 1: on the ground, that I think speaks volumes about how
Speaker 1: they were able to control the line of scrimmage, and
Speaker 1: that is not something that we saw coming at least
Speaker 1: I didn't. I expected at Carolina would give them a game.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect that they would bully a really good
Speaker 1: A and M front Lenora's sellers over one hundred yards
Speaker 1: rushing Rocket Sanders one for four rushing two touchdowns. You
Speaker 1: combine that, by the way, with what Lenora's sellers also
Speaker 1: did through the air, which was close to two fifty
Speaker 1: had two touchdowns. Didn't make the killer interception, right, didn't
Speaker 1: make that killer mistake. This is a really really interesting
Speaker 1: spot now for Texas A and M, which in effect
Speaker 1: still controls its own destiny in the SEC. If they
Speaker 1: went out, they owned the tiebreaker over LSU, who's got
Speaker 1: a big game this week, and they beat LSU earlier
Speaker 1: this season, and I believe they would make it in
Speaker 1: over Tennessee due to their own win over Arkansas earlier
Speaker 1: in the year. Go to like the second tiebreaker or
Speaker 1: something of that nature. So and I'm still in a
Speaker 1: pretty good spot. But like we have seen elsewhere in
Speaker 1: the SEC, losing a game in this capacity, it gives
Speaker 1: you more questions than answers about their viability longer term. Right, Truly,
Speaker 1: nobody in this conference is bulletproof and that is such
Speaker 1: a departure from where I feel like we have been
Speaker 1: over the last decade. There's always been a bulletproof team
Speaker 1: in the SEC, somebody that you can count on getting
Speaker 1: to the playoff feeling good that they're going to win
Speaker 1: a game and get into the championship. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's the cases here, I really don't. We have
Speaker 1: gone from a point in time where the SEC was,
Speaker 1: in some respects one of the least interesting conferences, because
Speaker 1: all too often it felt like a foregone conclusion, to
Speaker 1: where we're at now, where there is a true log jam.
Speaker 1: We have a log jam dan of five one loss
Speaker 1: teams with Georgia and A and M and Tennessee and
Speaker 1: Texas and LSU, and there are all sorts of different
Speaker 1: combinations that are possible as a result of this loss.
Speaker 1: So I was blown away by how well South Carolina
Speaker 1: controlled that point of attack. I'm even more impressed that
Speaker 1: they were able to win this one going away in
Speaker 1: the way that they did. I at one point, you recall,
Speaker 1: thought about trying to throw some money on the live
Speaker 1: line on A and M. I was like, there's no
Speaker 1: way this is going to continue on this path. A
Speaker 1: and M is gonna find their way to call back
Speaker 1: into this thing, right They didn't. They didn't. It was
Speaker 1: a professional win by South Carolina.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt going in as somebody who had happened
Speaker 3: to have a very good week picking games. I'm a
Speaker 3: big data guy, Ty, you're a little data guy. It
Speaker 3: felt like a scheduled loss for A and M. I
Speaker 3: told you I'm a low information pick low information. I'm
Speaker 3: a high information Yeah. Non better. It felt like South
Speaker 3: Carolina or excuse me, Texts A and M received specific
Speaker 3: directions don't go swimming in. There are definitely alligators lagoon
Speaker 3: and texts A and M said, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: think the title's misleading. And then guess what the lagoon
Speaker 3: was full of. In Williams Brice, they both of their
Speaker 3: lines got beat up. They play surprisingly undisciplined football on defense,
Speaker 3: like they're using the crowd energy to try and motivate themselves.
Speaker 3: I think it was Shamar Turner is playing like not
Speaker 3: an inch out of control, but a couple feet out
Speaker 3: of control, and that the A and M defense, for
Speaker 3: as strong as they've gotten over the course of these games,
Speaker 3: South Carolina got under their skin. Whether it was on
Speaker 3: the ground, whether it was when they got pressure that
Speaker 3: Leonoris Sellers was lofting it into the end zone. I
Speaker 3: think was Josh Simon who had the big game for
Speaker 3: South Carolina through the air and honestly beside it was
Speaker 3: one long run from was it Daniels who spelled Levon
Speaker 3: Moss for texts? A and M couldn't run the ball
Speaker 3: at all against the South Carolina front. Marcel Reid looked overwhelmed,
Speaker 3: not fully his fault, for sure. The offensive line themselves
Speaker 3: were overwhelmed in this one.
Speaker 1: But this was.
Speaker 3: Texas A and M entering the lagoon and making those
Speaker 3: mistakes early on that they you just can't come back from.
Speaker 3: If South Carolina's offense with even short little dump offs,
Speaker 3: the tackling was awful for Texas A and M uncharacteristically so,
Speaker 3: and so it was just maybe it was the letdown
Speaker 3: moment after the nice win over LSU. Nice is probably
Speaker 3: under selling it. Really impressive win over LSU, the way
Speaker 3: that they came back, but it was just a tough spot.
Speaker 3: And so I'm not down on A and M. I
Speaker 3: think that was just an impossible task, a near impossible
Speaker 3: task to ask of them going into again. Definitely Alligator
Speaker 3: Lagoon and so really really interesting conversation we had about
Speaker 3: South Carolina and what their ceiling might be when fully
Speaker 3: healthy Lenora Sells is in there and they're playing at home.
Speaker 3: They are really fun. I wish there were more to
Speaker 3: their offensive line in terms of consistency. I wish there
Speaker 3: were more in terms of the back end of that
Speaker 3: defense in terms of consistency. But there's a lot there.
Speaker 3: There's a really solid foundation. If they can keep recruiting
Speaker 3: like this and finding those guys up front. I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: They're awfully fun.
Speaker 1: They are fun. And look, this has been by any measure,
Speaker 1: and incredibly successful season so far. Yeah, because I recall,
Speaker 1: as is ever the case with South Carolina, at the
Speaker 1: start of the year, you look at the schedule and
Speaker 1: you say, there's no chance, right, there's no chance. I
Speaker 1: think I even said if they make it to a
Speaker 1: bowl game, there's just like no chance of them making
Speaker 1: a bowl game. They're five and three right now, they
Speaker 1: are five and three. They close out the year with Vandy, Mazoo, Wafford,
Speaker 1: and Clemson.
Speaker 3: That's just a fun TV show, right, That's a fun
Speaker 3: stretch of the South Carolina TV season.
Speaker 1: Three of those games are obviously tougher than the Wafford matchup.
Speaker 1: They're gonna beat Wafford, They're gonna get the six wins,
Speaker 1: They're going to go to a bowl. Yeah, what is
Speaker 1: the ceiling? We know Vandy's beatable, Vandy's plucky.
Speaker 3: They can win all those games for sure. Where's the
Speaker 3: Clemson game?
Speaker 1: Clemson games at Clemson.
Speaker 3: Tough but not flying across the country All.
Speaker 1: Metal Bowl closed out the year. Clemson's beatable. Missoo, we
Speaker 1: know Missoo's beatable. Yeah, a nine and three South Carolina
Speaker 1: if everything goes according to the plan, oh Man.
Speaker 3: Nine and three, maybe get that tenth in a bowl
Speaker 3: game and get just an unbelievable amount of offseason juice
Speaker 3: in Columbia could be a candidate.
Speaker 1: Shane Beemer would have to fight off Oklahoma with a
Speaker 1: stick if that happened, Just go to Oklahoma. Tennessee also
Speaker 1: struggled a little bit. If we're talking all things SEC
Speaker 1: struggled with Kentucky. Of all teams, Kentucky led ten to
Speaker 1: seven and half. Then Tennessee came storming back in the
Speaker 1: second half. They outscored Kentucky twenty one to eight. Kentucky
Speaker 1: was down five starters to injury. Then they lost Brock
Speaker 1: Vandergriff to a hard hit. They also lost Barrion Brown
Speaker 1: during the game, so it should not be understated how
Speaker 1: banged up Kentucky is.
Speaker 3: But and yet, well, I was gonna say, and yet
Speaker 3: Kentucky was in this one late.
Speaker 1: They were in this one late. They had momentum. Tennessee
Speaker 1: could not stop missing field goals. They missed three field goals,
Speaker 1: including one early in the third quarter. They get the
Speaker 1: ball back, Rock vander Griff loses a fumble on the
Speaker 1: ensuing drive, sets up Tennessee for go ahead score. Suddenly,
Speaker 1: the game's fourteen to ten. From that point forward, they
Speaker 1: had all the momentum Tennessee did. Yeah, so it continues
Speaker 1: what I think is a frustrating season for Kentucky. They're
Speaker 1: four straight week now where they failed to score points
Speaker 1: on a drive inside their opponent's five yard line. Feels
Speaker 1: a little bit like Penn State, frankly feels a little
Speaker 1: bit like USC feels like there's a lot there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kentucky has yet to score more than twenty points in
Speaker 1: an SEC game this season, so the offense is not
Speaker 1: really taken. Kentucky's got a lot to sort out on
Speaker 1: the tennis seaside, though they close out with Georgia, with
Speaker 1: U tepping with Vandy and big games coming up.
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Speaker 1: Nico finally threw from more than two hundred yards against
Speaker 1: an SEC opponent, but.
Speaker 3: Was not really like super decisive. Kentucky did a good
Speaker 3: job taking away the deep ball. He had a nice Nego,
Speaker 3: had a nice rapport with was A Kitzelman the tight end. Sure,
Speaker 3: he had a sensational game. Dylan Sanzman was one who
Speaker 3: pretty much drove the train for Tennessee. I would say
Speaker 3: a continued apprehension from Nico at times that improvised well
Speaker 3: because he wasn't necessarily on time going through his progressions
Speaker 3: and hitting somebody in stride and then the pass rush
Speaker 3: would collapse the pocket, but he would, you know, scramble
Speaker 3: to pick up a third and three first down or something.
Speaker 3: But there is not that it doesn't seem that there's
Speaker 3: that comfort and confidence to just like hit a guy
Speaker 3: up the seam in rhythm right now. Credit Kentucky, of course,
Speaker 3: But I don't know there's he's just he's taking a
Speaker 3: tick too long still and then rolling out and then
Speaker 3: hoping to find somebody during a scramble drill a little
Speaker 3: bit too often.
Speaker 1: I believe Tennessee, Yeah, can make the SEC title game
Speaker 1: if they win out and if Bama beats tells you
Speaker 1: this weekend.
Speaker 3: If Bama beats LSU, Tennessee winning out means wins over
Speaker 3: Georgia and Vandy anybody else on Tennessee schedule. I forget
Speaker 3: you went through it just recently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if that happens, let me pull it up
Speaker 1: here quick. They would obviously have the win over George,
Speaker 1: WHI would be a really nice win, and that would
Speaker 1: knock Georgia from out in front of them right in
Speaker 1: these standings here other teams that they have beaten. They
Speaker 1: beat Alabama, that was a big one. They beat Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: which is a common opponent with some of their.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and George and Vandy are both on the road.
Speaker 1: Georgia Vady both in the road. They lost their one
Speaker 1: SEC game to Arkansas on the road. And that's sort
Speaker 1: of why we start looking at this and wondering, right,
Speaker 1: who has to lose to whom in order to give
Speaker 1: them an opportunity. But this is what you want if
Speaker 1: you're a Tennessee fan, you want you want to win
Speaker 1: the rest of the way, and then you want, of course,
Speaker 1: for Alabama to knock off LSU.
Speaker 3: Yes, you want if you're a Tennessee person, you want
Speaker 3: the defensive effort to continue, and you want just a
Speaker 3: little more in terms of pop. I think I have it.
Speaker 3: Poll got on that offense, just a little more in
Speaker 3: terms of big plays, a little more in terms of
Speaker 3: opening things up on the outside, a little more of
Speaker 3: that confidence just in terms of what they have left
Speaker 3: on their schedule, what they might have moving forward. But
Speaker 3: all things considered, to just have the one loss pretty
Speaker 3: nice place to be.
Speaker 1: The one issue that we did not discuss at all
Speaker 1: on the episode was the ACC title race. Right we
Speaker 1: talked about Miami. We talked about the Miami duke game
Speaker 1: because that was close until it wasn't late. Miami ended
Speaker 1: up winning that one, put up over fifty points, ended
Speaker 1: up winning that one going away cover the point spread.
Speaker 1: Louisville knocked off Clemson thirty three to twenty one on
Speaker 1: Saturday night and Pitt knocked off or excuse me, SMU
Speaker 1: knocked off Pitt by a forty eight to two twenty
Speaker 1: five score. Yes, where things stand right now is both
Speaker 1: Miami and SMU undefeated in conference both five and zero.
Speaker 1: Clemson and Pitt need to win out and get some
Speaker 1: help if they want to have any opportunity to get
Speaker 1: into that ACC title game. I think the way things
Speaker 1: are shaking out right now, it is unclear to me
Speaker 1: whether or not it's going to be the ACC or
Speaker 1: the Big twelve getting two teams in. I had for
Speaker 1: a long time been in the camp that I think
Speaker 1: the ACC is going to get the two teams in.
Speaker 1: I think Big twelve is only going to get one.
Speaker 1: I think Notre Dame's going to get in. We're obviously
Speaker 1: going to have our G five team, and then the
Speaker 1: rest are going to be split up among the Big
Speaker 1: ten and the SEC. Yes, starting to question how that's
Speaker 1: going to shake out now. I think I need to
Speaker 1: see more data. We know that the Big twelve is
Speaker 1: going to come down to the wire. I think it
Speaker 1: depends a lot on how some of these teams look
Speaker 1: from this point forward. But let's start with the Clemson game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as we were recording, we were looking at the score
Speaker 1: on my laptop thinking, what the hell's going on here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is going on here? Because Louisville had a seventeen
Speaker 1: to seven lead at half. They were up twenty six
Speaker 1: to seven after the third quarter. Clemson did try to
Speaker 1: mount a late rally, but it was too little, too late.
Speaker 1: If you look up and down this one, Dan Louisville
Speaker 1: blocked two field goals, one in the first half, one
Speaker 1: in the second. Their defense a defense, by the way,
Speaker 1: that to I think a fair it's not unfair to
Speaker 1: say that Louisville's defense to an extent has underperformed. They
Speaker 1: didn't end this game, No.
Speaker 3: They did not.
Speaker 1: In this game. They had plenty of opportunities to showcase
Speaker 1: how good they are. They had a really big fourth
Speaker 1: down stop late in the third quarter. Clemson went for it,
Speaker 1: I think from their own thirty three yard line something
Speaker 1: like that. They did not get it. They stopped film
Speaker 1: off up up the middle. This was a nice showing
Speaker 1: for Louisville. I don't know if it poortends anything for
Speaker 1: the remainder of Louisville's season, where they go in the
Speaker 1: bowl season, what it looks like moving forward. But there
Speaker 1: were individual moments in this game, not just on defense,
Speaker 1: but Tyler Schuck sort of flying through the air doing
Speaker 1: his summer assaulting Superman into the end zone to emphatically
Speaker 1: score and give Louisville a little bit more of a lead.
Speaker 1: This was a loss for Clemson that really caught me
Speaker 1: off guard. I've watched a lot of Louisville this season.
Speaker 1: I genuinely did not see this one coming.
Speaker 3: It was the high leverage moments and the line play,
Speaker 3: especially the defense, But honestly, I thought the offensive game
Speaker 3: was called a little bit weird. Certainly when you look
Speaker 3: at the two point conversion versus extra point decisions that
Speaker 3: Dabo was making late where he pointed to not going
Speaker 3: down eleven because the card said to kick two extra
Speaker 3: points and hope for at least one on sidekick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just not terribly bright.
Speaker 1: And they attempted two of them. They attempted two of them,
Speaker 1: Louisville recovered both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't think the percentages are terribly in
Speaker 3: Clemson's favor for that type of plan. But I don't know.
Speaker 3: It just seemed questionable to me. But everything was questionable
Speaker 3: about Clemson. Their defensive performance was not good. They got
Speaker 3: pushed around a ton, especially up front. Defensive line was
Speaker 3: on skates. Neither of these quarterbacks were particularly great and
Speaker 3: consistent downfield through the air, Louisville just made better decisions
Speaker 3: and executed in big moments in a way that Clemson
Speaker 3: simply couldn't. And so I guess the best possible thing
Speaker 3: now for the ACC would be I mean, because it's
Speaker 3: what SMU and Miami aren't kind of a collision course, yep.
Speaker 3: So in regard to your saying you know who's going
Speaker 3: to get two teams in the ACC are Big twelve,
Speaker 3: I guess the worst thing would be for BYU to
Speaker 3: run the table and give somebody a second or third
Speaker 3: loss in the conference championship game. So you have one
Speaker 3: BYU team standing apart and then an easily dismissable second
Speaker 3: or third team whatever within the Big twelve, whereas we
Speaker 3: could just have a conference undefeated SMU with a loss
Speaker 3: to BYU. So that's an interesting conversation to have down
Speaker 3: the line when there's a head to head with SMU
Speaker 3: and BYU, if they're being pitted against each other in
Speaker 3: terms of playoff selection, and a Miami team that has
Speaker 3: been good but inconsistent and undefeated. Right, So Pitt certainly
Speaker 3: did not look to be of playoff caliber or of
Speaker 3: conference championship caliber given their performance against that SEMU, which
Speaker 3: we can get to and we talked about the Miami
Speaker 3: game already that they had you know, long dry spell,
Speaker 3: but did what very good teams do and pull it
Speaker 3: out and improve over the course of the game. I
Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to see Clemson again
Speaker 3: in this ACC championship game.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think you're gonna. I mean, Clemson would
Speaker 1: need to run the table, would need some help to
Speaker 1: have any shot of getting into that title game. Their
Speaker 1: ability to do so is limited because they close out
Speaker 1: with Roague games against Virginia Tech and Pitt the Citadel
Speaker 1: and then a non conference game while the Citadel's non conference,
Speaker 1: but a Citadel another non conference game the pull Metal Ball.
Speaker 1: As we mentioned earlier against South Carolina, there are just
Speaker 1: not enough teams above them in the standings on this schedule,
Speaker 1: so they're going to need help from the outside. They've
Speaker 1: got a big one against Pitt that will be meaningful
Speaker 1: for both of those teams I think, to decide in
Speaker 1: effect the third place finisher in the ACC regular season.
Speaker 1: But as things stand right now, with any kind of luck,
Speaker 1: right if Miami, if SMU find their way through this
Speaker 1: thing without hitting a snag, they're going to be unbeaten,
Speaker 1: and they're going to be playing for the a SEC
Speaker 1: title game now. Between by Miami and SMU, Miami definitely
Speaker 1: has more in their path that I think could trip
Speaker 1: them up. I think it looks pretty clear for SME.
Speaker 1: This is one of the reasons why I like them
Speaker 1: to win the conference, or to at least be in
Speaker 1: contention to win the conference at the start of the year.
Speaker 1: The schedule sets up real nice. I think it's harder
Speaker 1: from Miami this point forward. People who listened to this
Speaker 1: show know I'm on record saying that one of these
Speaker 1: games is going to jump up and bite it me.
Speaker 1: It could be this week, could be this week. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about that on Thursday. The other one, though, if
Speaker 1: we're talking about SMU, so, it was Louisville thirty three
Speaker 1: Clemson twenty one. SMU beat Pitt forty eight to twenty five.
Speaker 1: They led thirty one to three at half. They outscored
Speaker 1: Pit twenty four to zip in the second quarter. Pitt
Speaker 1: was down thirty four to three before they scored their
Speaker 1: first touchdown in this game. Damn So. This was a
Speaker 1: dominant effort from SMU. Of Pitt's four hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: three yards They had three hundred of them after half,
Speaker 1: when they were already down four scores. This was a
Speaker 1: game where pitt was uncharacteristically bad at tackling, at least
Speaker 1: in the early part of this game. They had some
Speaker 1: early tackling miss apps that led to big plays for SMU.
Speaker 1: That is what I think sprung them and gave them
Speaker 1: that momentum. Also, speaking of professional wins, Kevin Jennings bounce
Speaker 1: back effort. Yeah, absolutely, bounce back effort on horrible outing
Speaker 1: a week ago looked really solid, really solid, big game
Speaker 1: for Brishard Smith, my guy, you know, I love.
Speaker 3: Them, dude, Roderick Daniels all over the place.
Speaker 1: SMU rose to the moment in this game, and it
Speaker 1: was not a matchup that got a ton of national
Speaker 1: attention for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: MM.
Speaker 1: But here we are now going into week eleven, looking
Speaker 1: at the standing, it's clear as day it's there for U. Say,
Speaker 1: it was there for the winner of this game to
Speaker 1: just have this march into the ACC title game. Being
Speaker 1: so SMU one looking at schedules, they've got the clearest
Speaker 1: path through. They really truly do. It's incredible.
Speaker 3: I can't believe. September sixth BYU SMU was a game
Speaker 3: that we now look back on as having major majum
Speaker 3: major playoff implications, right, And it wasn't a blowout, No,
Speaker 3: it was. It was a crazy close game.
Speaker 1: It leads us down a very very uncomfortable path frankly,
Speaker 1: where somebody in one of those post ranking interviews on
Speaker 1: the Tuesday Night rankings reveal shows is going to say
Speaker 1: at some point, quote SMU gets the benefit of a
Speaker 1: close loss to BYU. B Why I cannot express this enough.
Speaker 1: I did. I thought by you might win four games
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, four games.
Speaker 1: I did not see this coming. So we're going to
Speaker 1: have that conversation. That game is extraordinarily meaningful. I wanted
Speaker 1: to write SMU off after they lost that game because
Speaker 1: they looked horrible. But we now have the benefit of hindsight, and.
Speaker 3: We're talking about two teams who are brand new to
Speaker 3: Power conference football now having a result in which there
Speaker 3: are major implications in SMU playing forever in the American
Speaker 3: and BYU most recently as an independent. But certainly you
Speaker 3: look back at some of those West Coast conferences they
Speaker 3: were in wild that that is a big success story
Speaker 3: of realignment in terms of programs who have invested and
Speaker 3: have been patient and have hired well, especially in terms
Speaker 3: of where SMU is with you know, going coach over
Speaker 3: coach over coach for so long that RHT Lashly and
Speaker 3: making a move from Preston Stone to Kevin Jennings has
Speaker 3: paid off in a big way. It's it's crazy impressive
Speaker 3: that these two teams are in this spot. And I look,
Speaker 3: I mean Crowe, I was making fun of you for
Speaker 3: your SMU talk you season.
Speaker 1: We have our story.
Speaker 3: It's on me.
Speaker 1: We all have stories. There were ones that I was
Speaker 1: way off on too, so it's yeah, I don't hold
Speaker 1: it against you. I love you like your brother. You
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much time.
Speaker 1: A couple other games here that we did not get
Speaker 1: to discuss in any great level of detail. You and
Speaker 1: I watched the edd of this Washington USC game, and
Speaker 1: to peel back the curtain a little bit, Yeah, what.
Speaker 3: Did I tell you?
Speaker 1: You foretold what was going to happen in this game.
Speaker 1: I mean the universe foretold it, The Universe four told it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you were watching this game. They were about five
Speaker 1: minutes left, and you pretty much said it to a
Speaker 1: t USC's gonna have the ball late. They're going to
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to score, They're gonna have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to win, and they're gonna find some way to blow it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sort of happened to him again, didn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course it did. This is USC on the road.
Speaker 3: This is USC with Miller Moss making some absolutely sensational throws.
Speaker 3: This is USC leaning on the run game super effectively
Speaker 3: down the stretch. It is a Washington team who was
Speaker 3: able to play good enough defense. I think it was
Speaker 3: Carson Brunner who came up with the big, big pick
Speaker 3: when it seemed I think USC was up twenty one
Speaker 3: to twenty at the time and driving, and Washington was
Speaker 3: able to completely silence that drive and take away any
Speaker 3: sort of momentum, and then the goal line stand. I
Speaker 3: think it was run, run, pass, run on fourth and
Speaker 3: goal from the one for a loss, and then more
Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley saying, you can just see how close we are.
Speaker 3: Anybody who's watching knows how close we are. Losing late
Speaker 3: always is not close. It becomes a certainty at a
Speaker 3: certain point if you're in a position to win a
Speaker 3: game on the road late always and are always losing.
Speaker 3: And I think I saw some stat that Eric Gentry
Speaker 3: is still leading the team in sacks and he hasn't
Speaker 3: played in five weeks. That they just don't get to
Speaker 3: the quarterback. That I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 3: Again, this is me paraphrasing. I don't believe a defensive
Speaker 3: lineman has a sack for USC this season. I think
Speaker 3: they've all come from linebackers or dbs. It's either this
Speaker 3: season or in Big Ten play or something. So as
Speaker 3: far as the defense has come in terms of tackling,
Speaker 3: in terms of getting off the field, this defensive line
Speaker 3: is very limited in terms of tangible pressure and results
Speaker 3: and improvement. It's wild that this USC team just does
Speaker 3: not get home.
Speaker 1: Ever. Where do they go from here?
Speaker 3: Don't know?
Speaker 1: Man, Like, what is what is the grand plan? If
Speaker 1: you're Lincoln Riley and you have to give a power
Speaker 1: point at the end of the year to your boss
Speaker 1: and outline what the philosophy is the what the strategy
Speaker 1: is for getting this team to the next level. Right,
Speaker 1: We've already seen them try to do it on the
Speaker 1: back of incredible individual efforts I e. Kleb Williams, and
Speaker 1: certainly they have had talented skill position players at USC.
Speaker 1: The last couple of years, that's not anything new for SC. Right,
Speaker 1: it does feel like the defense is improved this season.
Speaker 1: They're better, if nothing more, at tackling, but it still
Speaker 1: feels like they are a few ticks short of where
Speaker 1: they want to be. Is it a Miller Moss thing?
Speaker 1: Is it a play calling thing? Is it a Lincoln
Speaker 1: Riley thing? Is it too complicated to pin on just
Speaker 1: one thing? What should the strategy be? Where is it
Speaker 1: falling short?
Speaker 3: I mean just finishing games? I mean that's generally the difference.
Speaker 3: That USC was in a position to be a disappointing
Speaker 3: Maryland team, a disappointing Michigan team, decent Minnesota team, but
Speaker 3: the game was in their grasp, and now a four
Speaker 3: and four Washington team. It's away from home, but it's
Speaker 3: high leverage moments. It's having a plan. It seems like
Speaker 3: it might be whatever it is that they are or
Speaker 3: aren't practicing in practice and just being ready to be
Speaker 3: on the same page for these big moments. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes those excellent teams you watch them and you're like,
Speaker 3: this is second nature. Right, They've practiced this so much
Speaker 3: that they can't screw it up. And USC it was
Speaker 3: receivers getting open. It was pass protection. It was Miller
Speaker 3: Moss not being able to pull the trigger, laid on
Speaker 3: that fourth and I think it's fourth and four. Yeah,
Speaker 3: deep in Washington tear. They're just, for whatever reason, they're
Speaker 3: not ready to succeed late.
Speaker 1: Ever, I'm curious to get your read on who impressed
Speaker 1: you this weekend. Not so much from any of the
Speaker 1: games that we have discussed here over the last half hours.
Speaker 1: So maybe going back to some of the games we
Speaker 1: talked about on Saturday. I have three in particular that
Speaker 1: I want to call out. The first is Arizona State. Yes,
Speaker 1: shout out Jonathan Pope, who sent us a tweet asking
Speaker 1: when are you guys going to talk about Arizona State.
Speaker 1: It's not lost to me now that we now have
Speaker 1: dueling big twelve popes Jonathan and Peter Oh.
Speaker 3: I was hoping this was going to be like your
Speaker 3: psych like psich, We're still not going to talk about
Speaker 3: ASU and set up a nice little teas there continue.
Speaker 1: I feel compelled to talk about ASU because I was
Speaker 1: so high on Oklahoma State. Yeah, so this conversation is
Speaker 1: half what the hell is going on with Oklahoma State
Speaker 1: and half how about Arizona State? Arizona State is Tame
Speaker 1: Bowl eligible. They were a bull elder six and two.
Speaker 1: They held the ball for damn near forty minutes. They
Speaker 1: held Oklahoma State to two hundred and seventy yards, including
Speaker 1: just twenty five from Ali Gordon. This was a really
Speaker 1: nice cam scattabo.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, scataboo. Yeah, what are we.
Speaker 1: Talking about here? I got scat on the old doodle
Speaker 1: alerts on the list. I had to put him on
Speaker 1: the list. A great effort on the ground and through
Speaker 1: the air. He is powering this team. I like Sam Levitt,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like Kenny Dillingham. Seems like could
Speaker 1: be a fun dude to have a drink with, you know,
Speaker 1: I is he old enough? Probably not.
Speaker 3: I think I saw he was the first coach born
Speaker 3: in the nineties to take a team to Bowl eligibility.
Speaker 1: Ever, ASU closes out with UCF on the road at
Speaker 1: k State home against BYU and on the road at Arizona.
Speaker 1: Here's what's interesting about that slate M no idea what
Speaker 1: to expect from UCF at this point. Now it's a
Speaker 1: winnable game. It's at home, on the road at K State.
Speaker 1: K State's be difficult. I would still see difficult. I
Speaker 1: get able.
Speaker 3: Maybe that was a tough spot against Houston, but yes,
Speaker 3: by not not impossible, BYU.
Speaker 1: Not impossible, tough, but not impossible. Arizona. They're going to
Speaker 1: beat Arizona. Arizona's a mess right now. Yeah, what's interesting
Speaker 1: about that slate? Though, even if they're not going ten
Speaker 1: to two, maybe the most consequential November in the Big
Speaker 1: Twelve because they've got both k State and BYU remaining. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they were able to pull an upset in one
Speaker 1: of those two affairs, that would have real significance elsewhere
Speaker 1: in the conference. Ash's not going to win the conference,
Speaker 1: but as you, with a shot at both of those
Speaker 1: teams is interesting and makes the Big Twelve all the
Speaker 1: more fascinating just from a TV show standpoint. So, I'm
Speaker 1: impressed in the manner in which they won this game
Speaker 1: forty two to twenty one. This was a bludgeting good
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 3: This is let's be clear, though their schedule leaves a
Speaker 3: lot to be desired in terms of how we evaluate
Speaker 3: their quality. Agreed same with Indiana saying with a number
Speaker 3: of these teams, I guess he was not different in
Speaker 3: this regard. But also if they're a quality team. They'll
Speaker 3: draft off of the opportunity truck. And they have a
Speaker 3: collapsing Utah. You have a collapse in Kansas, a collapsing
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State can't lose to them, and quality teams don't.
Speaker 3: As you didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't win this game twenty three to twenty one
Speaker 1: at the gun. No, they won this game going away,
Speaker 1: and would I would hold that same argument up for Indiana,
Speaker 1: because there is such thing as a killer instinct. Again,
Speaker 1: a team is not necessarily only as good as it's scheduled.
Speaker 1: It's the old Boise State argument, as I've made years
Speaker 1: and years and years now. Right, the schedule does not
Speaker 1: necessarily mean you are a weaker team. It is just
Speaker 1: another data point.
Speaker 3: And Boise would schedule to be fair to Bois, they
Speaker 3: would schedule Georgia, they would schedule again, they would schedule
Speaker 3: I think Virginia Tech was one of those teams. Maybe
Speaker 3: I'm conflating it, but Boise would go out there and try.
Speaker 1: This is another instance, though, of a team that's just
Speaker 1: trying to get the bullligibility at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they were decimated after the Herm Edwards thing
Speaker 3: in terms of their roster just going out and getting
Speaker 3: as many guys as they could and it's coming together.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're ahead of schedule. That's all you can say.
Speaker 3: Good on them.
Speaker 1: I'm impressed with Houston knocking off Kansas State. They showed
Speaker 1: real resolve late, getting too late scores in order to
Speaker 1: knock off the Wildcats. That was nice for Willie Fritz.
Speaker 1: I'm also really impressed by Iowa. I mean I was.
Speaker 3: Brendan Sullivan was my answer to your question.
Speaker 1: Why why Brandon Sulivan? Why do he impress you?
Speaker 3: Because he looks like a real cornerback and you don't
Speaker 3: see a lot of those in the Big ten all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: He was like a real quarterb Forty two to ten
Speaker 1: for Iowa.
Speaker 3: Forty two to ten. Multiple running backs went off. Their
Speaker 3: offense looked continue to continually modern, you know, just spreading
Speaker 3: the ball around more and more, making decisions at quarterback
Speaker 3: faster and faster. Brendon Sullivan used his legs efficiently. The
Speaker 3: defense was opportunistic against a real bummer of a Wisconsin offense.
Speaker 3: If we're going to be clear, like it's very difficult
Speaker 3: to see this Wisconsin offense going anywhere significant as currently
Speaker 3: constituted and as currently run. It's just it's such a
Speaker 3: disappointment and disjointed Wisconsin offense. It's difficult to squint and
Speaker 3: see what they're going for the next year or two.
Speaker 3: And so Iowa did what again, any quality too very
Speaker 3: good team should do against a Wisconsin team like this,
Speaker 3: went straight at them. They were varied, they finished drives,
Speaker 3: and they left no doubt.
Speaker 1: Any other teams, any other games that you want to
Speaker 1: discuss here, We've got doodal words, We've got your reverbs
Speaker 1: from week ten that we still need to get to.
Speaker 1: I can give you a brief outline of what's to
Speaker 1: come in week eleven. Kind of a weird week, but
Speaker 1: a fun week, I think in front of us here
Speaker 1: as we get into Saturday. But anything else, Dan, any
Speaker 1: other points that you need to bring up, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think so. It makes me look forward to week
Speaker 3: what's next week? Week eleven? Yeah, even more. I still
Speaker 3: want to go back and watch a couple more games
Speaker 3: that I that I missed out on before the preview
Speaker 3: show this week. But no, I think I think that's
Speaker 3: just about it. I mean I sort of underlined ole
Speaker 3: miss performance against Arkansas as being of top ten twelve
Speaker 3: quality nationally and who knows the way it shakes out
Speaker 3: with the end of the SEC schedule. Weird things have happened.
Speaker 3: Even though you've claimed ole Miss has done though.
Speaker 1: Well, they're done so with respect to the SEC, they're
Speaker 1: not winning the SEC. They get a win over Georgia,
Speaker 1: they're back in the playoff conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have to be.
Speaker 1: They have to be. They have to be back in
Speaker 1: that playoff conversation. But they got to be Georgia. That's
Speaker 1: the thing that you can't lose again and still be
Speaker 1: in this thing. They'd have three loss at this point,
Speaker 1: and I am very skeptical that this is the year.
Speaker 1: I feel like we say this is the year every
Speaker 1: year for ole Miss, and so as I look at
Speaker 1: that matchup, not to give the game away too much,
Speaker 1: there are real issues I have with their ability to
Speaker 1: go toe to toe with Georgia.
Speaker 3: I mean, they have a path rush and Carson Beck
Speaker 3: gets very sloppy and unhappy and skittish with the pass rush.
Speaker 1: Did against Florida. He did against Florida.
Speaker 3: And it's Georgia's second straight game away from home.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm skeptical, and we'll find out at three
Speaker 3: thirty Eastern on Saturday. I am skeptical, but to that point,
Speaker 3: they're not done. So not done.
Speaker 1: So so they're not done. So let's do dudes. Let's
Speaker 1: do dudes. I've got Jacob Rodriguez from Texas Tech Dan
Speaker 1: thirteen tackles, nine solo, two pass breakups, two sacks, two
Speaker 1: tackles for lost, big day or Jacob Yeah? Isaac Brown?
Speaker 1: Do you go ahead? No?
Speaker 3: Keep going?
Speaker 1: Isaac Brown from Louisville had a big game on the ground.
Speaker 1: Jordan Noys from Colorado State kicked a sixty yard field goal.
Speaker 1: This is a thing. Now is a thing. Dylan Rizzik
Speaker 1: had a great game for UCF. Is the backup to
Speaker 1: the backup better than the starter. Who's to say, Rockets
Speaker 1: Sanders or South Carolina campskataboo. There he is there he
Speaker 1: is twenty three for one to fifty three on the
Speaker 1: ground and a touchdown, four for one twenty one and
Speaker 1: two touchdowns through the air. Jordan Watkins from Ole Miss.
Speaker 1: Somehow we miss this stat line record center eight catches,
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty four yards and five touchdowns. Mike
Speaker 1: out Wide and of course Mari and Hampton, who we
Speaker 1: did mention on the abbreviated Saturday recap that we did
Speaker 1: went off against Florida State, anybody else, anybody else that
Speaker 1: I missed.
Speaker 3: Bryceon Washington for Baylor ran for I think right around
Speaker 3: two hundred yards anytime you can had a last second win.
Speaker 3: I think the kicker was hoisted after Baylor was able
Speaker 3: to get that win over TOCU. But Bryson Washington was
Speaker 3: a major major reason. Treyshawn Holden stepped up for Oregon
Speaker 3: against Michigan. Though the game we were watching, Tes Johnson
Speaker 3: leaves the game I think on the first drive and
Speaker 3: Trey Shawn Holden downfield against again beleaguered Michigan secondary. But
Speaker 3: he stepped up really nicely in this game against Michigan,
Speaker 3: and you know, come back coming back nicely from the
Speaker 3: pretty dumb awful incident against Ohio State, so they're gonna
Speaker 3: need him, and he stepped up as always.
Speaker 1: We put the call out on social media later in
Speaker 1: the day every college football Saturday to get your dude suggestions,
Speaker 1: your dude nominations. There were many other awesome individual performances,
Speaker 1: but these are just a few of our favorites.
Speaker 5: Dan.
Speaker 1: Yes, we also got a bunch of calls from the
Speaker 1: verballer hood at eight five to five verbal three. We
Speaker 1: did not have a chance to play those because we
Speaker 1: did not have the ideal audio setup on Saturday night,
Speaker 1: But our guys, Shay dutifully went back through.
Speaker 3: Did you say dutifully?
Speaker 1: Dutifully?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was obviously that's a word. But I thought
Speaker 3: you were gonna go with dude duty full Ley. I know,
Speaker 3: I know, I was hoping that was intentional.
Speaker 1: Week ten reverbs have listen.
Speaker 5: Damn Hi, I hate college football. Hey boys, This is
Speaker 5: Adam from Minnesota.
Speaker 2: This is Brian from Virginia. Hey guys, it's Ween calling
Speaker 2: from our local community, Craft Fair, and I just have
Speaker 2: one question for you. Did Vanderbilt just win the Iron Bowl?
Speaker 4: I just watched elite loser he Freeze use one of
Speaker 4: our final two timeouts while there was two minutes one
Speaker 4: second on the clock in the fourth quarter. Let me
Speaker 4: say that again, while we were losing, we use a
Speaker 4: time out to save one second.
Speaker 2: I graduated from Purdue, I married into an Auburn family,
Speaker 2: and my.
Speaker 5: Team's just lost to Nerds?
Speaker 2: Is it basketball season?
Speaker 5: Watching Ryan Day and James Franklin out Day and out
Speaker 5: Franklin themselves should only be done under the heavy influence
Speaker 5: of drugs from Atlanta, Georgia calling but nine Windiana. Look
Speaker 5: we got boys, coach to Olyncian.
Speaker 3: This is Jeff from me Flanston.
Speaker 5: I'm currently walking back to my car from the stadium early.
Speaker 5: The only joy I can find in my pain is
Speaker 5: the fact that Michigan is also losing. Go Green.
Speaker 1: We may have lost the game, but let's not worry
Speaker 1: about those details.
Speaker 3: It's all about the friends you make along the way.
Speaker 2: Great to see you guys in sunny Annaba. Theme of
Speaker 2: your defending national champions at least for a little while longer.
Speaker 4: If winning is a skill, Brent probably could really use
Speaker 4: some practice.
Speaker 5: And the words of the great Pete Webber, who do
Speaker 5: you think you are?
Speaker 1: I am youcon baby?
Speaker 5: Going bowling?
Speaker 2: Let's go commencing big twelve kind of Ball's they shunning
Speaker 2: racom tack? Hey, dan Ty, is it time for kids
Speaker 2: to talk to their parents about Nebraska football?
Speaker 5: How they may never see them playing a bowl again?
Speaker 5: Skym rolled the boat. This team could be eight and
Speaker 5: one if they didn't show against UNC and if they
Speaker 5: didn't get jobbed against Michigan. But you know what would
Speaker 5: it could have should have rose before nos go gos Hey.
Speaker 1: It's Jack from Louisville.
Speaker 5: I have a boss who's a big Clemson fan, and
Speaker 5: we killed them tonight because our defense set up.
Speaker 4: Isaac Ground is a beast and my boss is a
Speaker 4: deeply bad person.
Speaker 5: Jobsablog, dan Ty, It's Halloween and guess who just got murdered.
Speaker 1: Ulane with forty two minutes of possession. Visceraates Charlotte Rowaves
Speaker 1: very good. Thank you, Shay, Thank you for baller hood,
Speaker 1: for those wonderful messages. We did meet Jimmy and Ann Arbor,
Speaker 1: who oh yeah, give us a call out there did
Speaker 1: not talk at all like that in person, I would add, now.
Speaker 3: And maybe there are two Jimmies.
Speaker 1: Maybe.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: The one that we met had a very normal sounding voice.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: By the way, a couple like weird results elsewhere. Rice
Speaker 3: beat Navy like cleanly fired their coach and beat Navy
Speaker 3: by a couple touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one of my terrible bets of the weekend.
Speaker 1: I also had South Alabama covering the six when I
Speaker 1: looked at the when I looked at the scoreboard before
Speaker 1: we hit record on Saturday, they were up big. And
Speaker 1: then I woke up the next morning and looked to
Speaker 1: see why didn't they cash my bet? And I realized
Speaker 1: they lost? Right, that wasn't good. That was a bit
Speaker 1: of a weird result, or at least a weird finish.
Speaker 3: Slow ish start for Ashton genty but got going and
Speaker 3: led the way for Boise. That was Friday night, slow
Speaker 3: but eventual win for Army over air Force, which good
Speaker 3: to file away. You're gonna have those games. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of emotion obviously tied up in Army Air Force.
Speaker 3: Good good on them. How about Colorado State? Do you
Speaker 3: have a sense for what Colorado State is doing this year?
Speaker 1: Not a great sense.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're mister tiebreaker, You're mister standing. All of these
Speaker 3: things are true. Colorado State hasn't lost a game in
Speaker 3: the Mountain West. Look at the standings. It's not a
Speaker 3: slam dunk that it's gonna be UNLV Boise State, Colorado State,
Speaker 3: I believe, will technically play five non conference games because
Speaker 3: Oregon State technically is not a Mountain West team.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Colorado State has beaten precisely nobody in terms of how
Speaker 3: good these teams are. But I think that's they're either
Speaker 3: four or five and oh within the Mountain West.
Speaker 1: Right now, they're four and oh. Right now, yeah, they
Speaker 1: are four and oh.
Speaker 3: Their schedule gets a little bit more difficult a little bit.
Speaker 3: I mean they have left.
Speaker 1: They've got Wyoming, who's two and seven.
Speaker 3: Okay, Wyomy is not good.
Speaker 1: They're on the road at Fresno, who is the best
Speaker 1: remaining school, right.
Speaker 3: That's the team that's more difficult. But Fresno just lost
Speaker 3: two They hung with Hawaii.
Speaker 1: Right and Utah State, which Utah State does have statistically speaking,
Speaker 1: the worst defense in college football right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Colorado State, they've lost to Oregon State. They got
Speaker 3: destroyed by Texas. I don't know if they've lost anything that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they've lost a third game as well, Colorado, Oh, Colorado,
Speaker 3: of course. But in the Mountain West, they've snuck by
Speaker 3: with single digit wins against Air Force San Jose State
Speaker 3: and then beat Nevada by seventeen, beat New Mexico by eleven,
Speaker 3: beat UTEP non conference by ten. Like they're just they're
Speaker 3: not crazy impressive, but they're they're painting the corners tie.
Speaker 3: The Rams are in an interesting weird position to play
Speaker 3: in a postseason game right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Boise, for what it's worth, has Nevada road
Speaker 1: games against San Jose State and Wyoming. Then they close
Speaker 1: out the year non conference against Oregon State. So things
Speaker 1: are setting up really well for boise to make a
Speaker 1: run at the Mountain West, for Boise State to finish
Speaker 1: the season one lost, just that one loss being the
Speaker 1: close one against Oregon right now projected to be at
Speaker 1: least a fourteen point victor in each of their remaining games,
Speaker 1: So things definitely set on a nice course. Let's say
Speaker 1: to put Boise State in that G five playoff spot.
Speaker 3: And look there, this team is not going to make
Speaker 3: the playoff because they did lose to Boise State. Wazoo
Speaker 3: is probably going to finish the year eleven and one, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and probably not be in a place of consequence because
Speaker 3: they just dumb bad luck. It's pretty great what we're
Speaker 3: seeing around this spar right now. Here's what we're looking
Speaker 3: at for Week eleven. I mentioned it's kind of a
Speaker 3: weird week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are four big games that I pulled out.
Speaker 1: The four that jumped to mind are Georgia at Old Miss,
Speaker 1: Alabama at LSU. Those I think are obvious I mentioned
Speaker 1: earlier BYU at Utah obviously the Holy War. There's a
Speaker 1: lot riding on that for BYU. Also, Colorado at Texas
Speaker 1: Tech suddenly has a lot more meaning attached to it
Speaker 1: because Colorado's there, Colorad's got one loss in the Big Twelve,
Speaker 1: and if things break accordingly, they could find themselves playing
Speaker 1: for the conference. Those are I think the most significant
Speaker 1: with respect to standings immediate future. But there are a
Speaker 1: bunch of other interesting games. Florida at Texas interesting.
Speaker 3: Ah, not anymore ish because of Djail Lagway.
Speaker 1: But yeah, at least interesting hypothetically two big brands. Miami
Speaker 1: minus eleven at Georgia Tech. Is this one of those
Speaker 1: games where Miami trips up West Virginia at Cincinnati since
Speaker 1: he a four point home favorite. We've got Clemson at
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech. We've got Michigan at Indiana. Indiana favored by
Speaker 1: fourteen points against Michigan.
Speaker 3: You saw that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I Alwa stayed at Kansas. This was not a
Speaker 1: game that I really pulled out thinking it was going
Speaker 1: to be all that competitive given the way Kansas started
Speaker 1: the season. But Kansas is slowly kind of like a nuisance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I Alwa stayed on the road. Who knows. South Carolina
Speaker 1: at Vandy suddenly a very interesting matchup one that I
Speaker 1: think has real consequence for the aforementioned SEC tie break?
Speaker 3: What about what about Mississippi State Tennessee in a letdown
Speaker 3: look ahead spot Mississippi State Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, also got Florida State Notre Dame Washington at Penn State.
Speaker 1: This is the proper wideout game. I guess eight o'clock
Speaker 1: on Peacock, Maryland at your Oregon Ducks. You see f
Speaker 1: at Arizona State. Let's keep the train rolling here with
Speaker 1: Arizona State.
Speaker 3: Baby, can't wait.
Speaker 1: A bunch of really interesting matchups this week. Hope to
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Speaker 3: I agree, by the way, just to file away, ty,
Speaker 3: because we do this generally on the Tuesday show with
Speaker 3: the in week games. Yeah, the return of Tuesday Wednesday Action. Yes, Yes,
Speaker 3: we have Iowa traveling to La to play Ucla Friday
Speaker 3: night eight pm, well APM Central, nine pm Eastern, and
Speaker 3: my math tells me six pm local. And I'm going
Speaker 3: to tell you something. If you're thinking that, even if
Speaker 3: UCLA is having kind of a resurgencies and wins over
Speaker 3: Nebraska and Rutgers, if you think anybody is getting to
Speaker 3: Pasadena on a Friday night at six pm, you are
Speaker 3: out of your mind. It's going to be a very
Speaker 3: strange looking Rose Bowl for Iowa, Ucla, Rice, Memphis all
Speaker 3: of a sudden has a little bit of juice. I
Speaker 3: don't know. Memphis lost to Utsa, Calwake Forests to four
Speaker 3: and four. Maybe that gets a little bit weird. App
Speaker 3: State Coastal four and four, and even like the Mac
Speaker 3: Games right now, everybody's like kind of evenly matched up.
Speaker 3: It should be a nice, hopefully week of distraction for everybody.
Speaker 1: We'll take it with college football. Yeah, let's take it.
Speaker 1: Let's leave it there. Dan, Thank you one, thank you
Speaker 1: all for your patience. You know it took us a
Speaker 1: little bit more elbow grease to get all of these
Speaker 1: recaps out there to talk through what transpired in week ten.
Speaker 1: Next episode, we start looking forward into week eleven. These
Speaker 1: last couple weeks are gonna be nuts, so buckle up,
Speaker 1: get ready for what amounts to a great close of
Speaker 1: the season. We'll be back on Thursday. We're not just
Speaker 1: going to preview games. We'll react to the playoff rankings.
Speaker 1: We'll do the whole thing. For that guy over there,
Speaker 1: my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for my self, Tie Hiled Bred,
Speaker 1: thanks again for downloading, listening, supporting. We'll talk to Elsey.
Speaker 1: Stay solid, peace,