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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Bryce Harper and welcome to The Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's Lucky. The

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Speaker 2: Philly Show brought to you by the File Territory Network.

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Speaker 2: It's Thursday morning, December fifth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're doing well. We got together today. We

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Speaker 1: wanted to get together.

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Speaker 2: Because of the shocking news. The shocking news that the

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Speaker 2: Jan Soto sweepstakes are nearing the end and the Phillies

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Speaker 2: are not necessarily involved. And I'm sure when you guys

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Speaker 2: read this Ken Rosenthal, I guess our colleague right at

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Speaker 2: part of the File Territory Network. He wrote on Tuesday

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Speaker 2: night that there was like multiple six hundred million dollar offers.

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Speaker 2: Did you guys do the no into the air because

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Speaker 2: you were so caught off guard?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not even a little, not a lot.

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Speaker 2: But we thought we yeah, we thought we would get

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Speaker 2: together and kind of jet talk it out and get

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get your guys reaction on because we've

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Speaker 2: been talking about it for months that this was not

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Speaker 2: going to happen. So I guess maybe the only surprising

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Speaker 2: thing is they have not met. They never met, probably

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Speaker 2: won't ever meet with Scott Boris and one Soda.

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Speaker 5: Well, they didn't go through the charade of meeting because

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Speaker 5: it just wasn't gonna work where their funeral structure is.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they've played in the deep end of the

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Speaker 5: free agent pool in other years and come away with

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Speaker 5: Bryce Harper at three hundred and thirty million and Trade

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Speaker 5: Turner at Over at three hundred million. They have one

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Speaker 5: hundred million dollar contracts. You know, to even think about

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Speaker 5: Soto and fill the other needs you have on this team,

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Speaker 5: you're gonna be looking at the fourth luxury tax threshold.

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Speaker 6: They don't want to go there. It's punitive, it it

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Speaker 6: can course coast some havoc.

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Speaker 5: I think Soda would have been would have been a

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Speaker 5: great player to have in Philadelphia, but he also be

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Speaker 5: a great player to have in twenty nine other cities.

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Speaker 5: It just it didn't fit into their payroll structure. Like

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Speaker 5: I mentioned, with the two three hundred million guy three

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Speaker 5: hundred million dollar guys, this contract with Sodo could and

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Speaker 5: probably will double that. I mean, I'm really curious to

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Speaker 5: see if he just doubles Bryce Harper's mark right on

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Speaker 5: the nose. Harper at three hundred and thirty million. Does

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Speaker 5: Sodo go to six sixty. I think it's a real,

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Speaker 5: real possibility. I know we've talked about it a lot.

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Speaker 5: It's fun to talk about, but none of us ever

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Speaker 5: thought the Phillies were going to be a serious player

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Speaker 5: for him, and in the end they weren't. I still

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Speaker 5: think it's gonna be one of the New York teams.

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Speaker 5: So I guess Boston is making it pretty interesting. Toronto's

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Speaker 5: making it pretty interesting. But I've said all along, I

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Speaker 5: think this negotiation could have happened at the triborough Bridge

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Speaker 5: and he's gonna be a Yankee or Met.

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Speaker 6: We'll see.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree with you as far as the

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Speaker 4: Yankees and Mets are concerned. I mean, obviously Los Angeles

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Speaker 4: Dodgers players on everybody right now, just based on you know,

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Speaker 4: their ability to do, defer and do the things that

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Speaker 4: But you know, it's not over till it's over. I

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Speaker 4: know the fans will probably be super disappointed that. You know, why,

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Speaker 4: why why wouldn't Soto come here? You know, Well, again,

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Speaker 4: I think you hit the nail on the head. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you have to be there's there's a reality, and the

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Speaker 4: reality of it is that while this city is a

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Speaker 4: large market city, the revenues that you can generate in

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Speaker 4: the city are far different from the revenues that you

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Speaker 4: can generate it in New York City and in La Okay.

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Speaker 4: It's the fifth biggest city in the country. I get it.

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Speaker 4: But the reality of it is you have to be

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Speaker 4: able to work within your means and and you know,

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Speaker 4: with all due respect, and I know John Nelson wants

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Speaker 4: to do everything he possibly can to bring, you know,

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Speaker 4: another championship here, and there's just some some realities you

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Speaker 4: have to deal with. And so yes, he would have

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Speaker 4: been a uh tremendous addition to this ball club, as

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Speaker 4: he would to any ball club. I just don't see

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Speaker 4: things that they can do to improve this team and

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Speaker 4: to be a World Series, you know, champion. The Yankees

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Speaker 4: had him last year with Aaron Judge and they did

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Speaker 4: not win the World Series. So let's let's let's let's

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Speaker 4: have an understanding what's going on. The Padres did not

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Speaker 4: with them, so it doesn't it's not one player. One

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Speaker 4: but there's so many different things that have to fall

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Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily mean that the buck stops with Juan Soto.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, j if you go back, if you go back

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Speaker 5: six weeks ago, I mean, I just don't know how

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Speaker 5: anybody could be surprised at this. I don't know how

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Speaker 5: anybody could be surpris you know, Dave Dombroski, who is

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Speaker 5: you know, plays things very close to the vest, does

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Speaker 5: not let a lot of people into what he's thinking,

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Speaker 5: but he will offer glimpses into his thinking at times.

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Speaker 5: And he said, you know, I don't think we're in

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Speaker 5: the market for another star.

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Speaker 6: We haven't.

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Speaker 5: This team has enough stars. It's a good team with

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Speaker 5: enough stars. I think was the gist of his comment

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Speaker 5: a few days after they were eliminated. And that was

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Speaker 5: a to me, a telltale that it just wasn't They

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Speaker 6: That wasn't going to happen.

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Speaker 5: And I agree with you, Ruben, it's about having the

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Speaker 5: best team, not having the best player. They already have

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Speaker 5: a couple of the best players, players who haven't gotten

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Speaker 6: They need some work around the edges.

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Speaker 5: And you know something that Dombrowski also said in his

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Speaker 5: breakup news conference back in mid October, it's about playing

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Speaker 5: well at the right time. And I know a lot

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Speaker 5: of people go crazy when they hear that, but he

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Speaker 6: He is right.

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Speaker 5: You assemble a good ball club, good players, they know

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Speaker 5: what the hell they're doing. You got to play well

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Speaker 5: at the right time. And we saw it in twenty

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Speaker 5: eleven the Phillies did not play well and a great

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Speaker 5: saw it in twenty twenty three, great team did not

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Speaker 5: play well at the right time. Twenty four did not

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Speaker 5: play well at the right time. Oh, twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 5: they did play well at the right time and it

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Speaker 5: got them to the World Series. So and then you know,

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Speaker 5: obviously games sake, blah blah blah. So there's still.

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Speaker 6: A lot of that there.

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Speaker 5: They have a lot, still a lot of tweaking to

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Speaker 5: it without Juan Soto, and no one should be surprised

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Speaker 5: that he's not coming to Philadelphia, and no one should

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Speaker 5: be surprised when I guess he ends up with one

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Speaker 6: That and to announce, you know, almost like the British

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Speaker 5: The Red Sox could announce that they're back in the

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Speaker 2: those at the ballpark. At the ballpark this year, they're.

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Speaker 4: Starting to go fast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm watching the I'm watching the inventory going up.

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Speaker 6: A few more.

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Speaker 1: That's a great problem.

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Speaker 4: It's a great problem.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely is. Jim, you must be pumped though, because

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Speaker 2: sticking with Juan Soto, you get to keep that nice

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Speaker 1: When do you have it on?

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Speaker 2: There we go, Jim, Jim, Jim months ago. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: that would have been such a great episode, Jim swallowing

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Speaker 4: We haven't had an announcement that, you know.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point. Okay, So say so, the Phillies

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Speaker 2: have not met with jan So okay, they have not

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Speaker 1: Lot of urgency to meet with them. You know.

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Speaker 2: Then this past week or whatever, why not just go

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Speaker 2: all right, let's let's call up Scott and let's throw

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Speaker 2: him a proposal. Is that just is that just bad faith?

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Speaker 1: That could happen?

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Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, I mean, Scott Boris has sort of gone

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Speaker 4: They've had some you know, some players. They know a

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Speaker 4: and where John Middleton's at. So I don't think that

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Speaker 4: this Phillies were necessarily one of those teams where Sodo

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Speaker 4: He's seen all this stuff. He knows how the players

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Speaker 4: I don't know that the Phillies really even had to

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Speaker 4: really don't know that. You know that Scott Boris doesn't

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Speaker 4: he's feeding Soto a lot of information about who they

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Speaker 2: So chatted with Dave Dombrowski earlier this week, just real briefly,

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Speaker 5: It just feels like SODA's gonna have a big show

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: I think I think the Phillies are going to be busy,

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Speaker 1: I just I just have that feeling. There's there's a

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Speaker 6: Sounds like a possible future podcast, Todd maybe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, well, well we did.

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Speaker 2: We did ask our Philly show family to submit us

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Speaker 2: us will be there.

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Speaker 1: Will be we'll be together.

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Speaker 2: Ruben will be on the set of MLB Network, Jim

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Speaker 2: and I will be hanging out like losers in the lobby.

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Speaker 4: I'll come hang with you guys.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, rub will be with all those big buddy's, big time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But so while we talk about the Phillies and Dave

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Speaker 2: Debrowski making all these big moves, Sunday night is a

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Speaker 2: big night for the Phillies.

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Speaker 4: We do.

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Speaker 2: Dick Allen is on the ballot again for the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame.

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Speaker 1: He's fought.

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Speaker 2: He fell a vote short in twenty fourteen. He fell

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Speaker 2: a vote short in twenty twenty one. He's back on

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Speaker 2: the ballot again. This has to be the year Dick

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Speaker 2: Allen finally gets in. It's like thirty years over due.

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Speaker 2: What do we predict? I think he's in this year.

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Speaker 2: I think it's people have made enough of a case

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Speaker 2: since what a travesy is that he's not in that.

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Speaker 2: I think this year the voters in that committee are

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Speaker 2: finally go, we got to put this guy in.

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Speaker 1: This is ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: Well it shouldn't be. We gotta put him in. It's

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Speaker 6: like he deserves it.

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Speaker 1: It's time, you know, right.

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Speaker 5: It was really disappointing he didn't get in what they

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Speaker 5: I think because of the pandemic they had to move

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Speaker 5: back in twenty twenty to twenty one, a year if

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Speaker 5: he passed away a year after his numbers retired by Phillies.

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Speaker 5: I was very disappointing. He missed by one in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty one. I missed by one in twenty fourteen. It

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Speaker 5: just feels like it's time. It feels like it's long overdue.

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Speaker 5: I wish he was here to enjoy it. But to me,

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Speaker 5: it's just indisputable. You know, we talk about Hall of

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Speaker 5: Fame standards, and we often talk about voters often talk

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Speaker 5: about dominating an era. Okay, from nineteen sixty four to

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Speaker 5: nineteen seventy four eleven seasons, only Billy Williams and Hank

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Speaker 5: Aaron had more extra base hits. Only Hank Aaron had

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Speaker 5: a higher slugging percentage, and only he Hank Aaron had

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Speaker 5: to hire ops. And if you want to go you know,

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Speaker 5: modern statistical viewpoint, in that eleven year span, he was

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Speaker 5: like number one in baseball in ops plus. So you know,

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Speaker 5: this guy was a slugger and a slugging machine. I'm

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Speaker 5: always enthraled by his nineteen sixty sixth season. I go

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Speaker 5: back and I look at it. Sometimes he was fourth

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Speaker 5: in the MVP voting. Roberto Clemente, Sandy Kofax. I think

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Speaker 5: Willie Mays were ahead of him, but Dick Allen's you

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Speaker 5: look at his line some year and or his numbers

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Speaker 5: sometime in nineteen sixty six. It was like a Hall

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Speaker 5: of Fame career in one year. But you know, I

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Speaker 5: really hope Sunday Night brings good news for Dick Allen,

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Speaker 5: his family.

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Speaker 6: I got to know his brother pretty well, who just

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Speaker 6: passed away.

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Speaker 4: Hank was really wonderful man, wonderful and beautiful, longtime, longtime scout.

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Speaker 4: I think he was with the Milwaukee Brewers.

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Speaker 5: He was with He spent a lot of time with

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Speaker 5: the Astros at the end, and he used to He

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Speaker 5: must have lived in the DC area, because he scouted

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Speaker 5: a lot out of National's Park and you'd always run

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Speaker 5: it to him and a big hello.

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Speaker 4: Sweet man.

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Speaker 5: Sweet is the right word. And we lost him a

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Speaker 5: couple of years ago. I wish he was around, and

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Speaker 5: I just hope we all get to see it. A

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Speaker 5: lot of people push for it. Mark carfrogno Froggy has

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Speaker 5: really trumpeted it and pushed it. And John Middleton has

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Speaker 5: been a huge force behind this, retiring his number and

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Speaker 5: eloquently speaking about Dick's greatness and idolizing Dick as a

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Speaker 5: kid growing up. So boy, I hope we get some

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Speaker 5: good news Sunday night, and it's to me, it's not

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Speaker 5: just fixing or wrong or making somebody feel good.

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Speaker 6: It's deserved.

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Speaker 1: Well, no doubt, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: I have to say something about how my dad, he

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Speaker 4: played right next to him for several years with Philadelphia,

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Speaker 4: and that wasn't doing in an era there's some really

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Speaker 4: really phenomenal players, and my dad played with and against.

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Speaker 4: You know, the Willie Mayses and the Hank Aaron's, we

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Speaker 4: know about them, the Roberto Clementes, and you know, he

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Speaker 4: even played with Mickey Mantle. My dad said he lined

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Speaker 4: up those players in a really interesting way and thought

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Speaker 4: that Willie Mays was the man Number one for him.

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Speaker 4: He felt like Hank Aaron was number two because Hank

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Speaker 4: could do a lot more than just hit home runs.

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Speaker 4: He was a really talented baseball player all the way around.

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Speaker 4: And the basis well, did a lot of great things.

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Speaker 4: He had Mickey Mantle and then Roberto Clemente, but then

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Speaker 4: right behind them, I mean literally right behind them, he

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Speaker 4: had he had Dick Allen. And that's pretty damn high praise.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're talking about some of the greatest players

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Speaker 4: who've ever got a chance to cross the lines. And uh,

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Speaker 4: and my dad thought he was one of the most

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Speaker 4: dynamic players he's ever been.

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Speaker 2: Some of the most iconic. He just mentioned there, Ruben

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Speaker 2: and Dick Allen right there, you know. So that's cool.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see uh Sunday night. Dick Allen, he should

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Speaker 2: you should get in. He deserves to get in.

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Speaker 4: That's his career.

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Speaker 1: And we'll be back tomorrow too. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to break down some of your trade

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Speaker 2: proposals for the Phillies. So we'll talk to you guys later.

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Speaker 6: Smell lad boys.

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Speaker 4: Jim.

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