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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barlar Lazar, Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined.

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Speaker 2: As always by our bar gasp gas match.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.

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Speaker 2: The fact that this is what we're doing. We're doing

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Speaker 2: Bud means bub bub bub bud Bob bob bub means, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots, Mike draft this guy. You don't only cover

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Speaker 1: the team you work for the twenties. You know what

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Speaker 1: thing er go about him? That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Bubba means Bubb means the savior?

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Speaker 1: Do you be? Bud means I'm not saying he's the savior.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying there's a real chance Patriots draft this guy

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Speaker 1: checks a lot of boxes. You should be aware of them.

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Speaker 1: Catchwo have you done your job yet in that regard?

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Speaker 2: And I posted my my top twenty receivers in this draft?

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Speaker 2: Do you know whose name is not in that?

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Speaker 1: Ar? How would you know if you didn't watch him?

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Speaker 1: Why do you think I didn't watch him? How would

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Speaker 1: you know?

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Speaker 2: There's no reason to watch him? I'm gonna watch a

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Speaker 2: guy that's gonna go undrafted.

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Speaker 1: First of all, you told one he's gonna get drafted.

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Speaker 1: That's not undrafted, that's drafted. Two, you told me.

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Speaker 2: You were gonna watch him. I will watch him.

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Speaker 1: I told you three. There is absolutely a chance they

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Speaker 1: draft him. So yes, it is your job to watch him.

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Speaker 2: I told you that I was going to watch him

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Speaker 2: before the draft. So on Wednesday at four pm, before

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Speaker 2: the draft, I will maybe even Thursday morning, I will

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Speaker 2: text you and say, all right, I finally I finally

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Speaker 2: watched your boy. I finally watched Alex Barr's savior for

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Speaker 2: the Patriots, Savior. The next it's David Gibbons. Bubb mean, David.

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Speaker 1: Gibbons isn't a bad comp It's this simple.

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Speaker 2: I haven't even watched the guy, and I just came

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Speaker 2: up with it.

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Speaker 1: It's this simple. You cover the team, there's a real

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Speaker 1: chance they draft him. There's a connection I do. You

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Speaker 1: should be aware of them. That's the whole point.

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Speaker 2: Once upon a time, anyways, Evan, I did cover the team.

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Speaker 1: You still cover the team. You work for the team,

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Speaker 1: you know, adjacent.

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Speaker 2: Hold up your badge?

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Speaker 1: What does it say?

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Speaker 2: On No, I can hold up my badge. I literally

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Speaker 2: just put my badge in my pocket, because you know

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Speaker 2: the people, crazy people out there, they like take photos

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Speaker 2: of the badge and then they print one out and

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden they ended up in the building.

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Speaker 2: And I remember when I was Deck on my case

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Speaker 2: and be like, you're the reason this guy got in

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Speaker 2: I have to point point Brian Deck out to you

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Speaker 1: Look at that, Alex Barth, Gelette Stadium concessions.

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Speaker 2: Why do you have that in your wallet?

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Speaker 2: into Patriots unfielder because we don't normally do this much,

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Speaker 2: this much grousing before we start the show, you know,

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Speaker 2: this much non football talk. Uh so we're gonna be

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Speaker 2: with you for the next couple hours. Evan Lazar, Alex

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Speaker 2: Barth and uh we're we're talking draft obviously. Uh no

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Speaker 2: Store of the New England Patriots. So we have some

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Speaker 2: things we want to get to today. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: no phones, but you can email in at web radio

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Speaker 2: at Patriots dot com if you want to join the show.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get to some comments in the old YouTube

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Speaker 2: since we don't have the phones today. But we do

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Speaker 2: want to talk about a couple of things with the draft.

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Speaker 2: Number one is I was listening to I Forget Which

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Speaker 2: Podcast May Move the Sticks on one of those draft

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Speaker 2: podcasts on my trip last week on the plane, and

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Speaker 2: I thought they had a pretty good concept, and I

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Speaker 2: tight end, running back. We didn't include guards this year

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Speaker 2: because the offensive line. Oh lord help us all if

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Speaker 2: they take another guard in this draft, Alex, after they

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Speaker 2: took three last year, we're in.

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Speaker 1: The top one fifty last. No, I'm actually one hundred

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Speaker 1: one that will normally need with you about them taking

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Speaker 1: a guard at being on the table. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not even interested in a guy like Jordan Morgan. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you view him as a tackle, that's fine. What

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Speaker 2: Give him a position, not brock hole. Let him let

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Speaker 2: If you think he's a right tackle, then fine. Maybe

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Speaker 2: That's how we are with a draft, so we can

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Speaker 2: bit on the wide receiver tiers that I published today

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Speaker 2: on Patriots dot Com. I'm not gonna go through every

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Speaker 1: The guys you watched, you're fillison on the guys you watched, well,

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Speaker 1: I watched twenty five of them, so I mean there

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Speaker 2: It's really good class, really good class. That was my

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure, because someone's gonna slip through the cracks.

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Speaker 2: need seasoning, does he need developing? Absolutely? But I think

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Speaker 2: you have a high level quarterback prospect. I think the

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Speaker 2: reason why a lot of people missed on Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: that a quarterback needs to check his footwork, his mechanics,

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Speaker 2: his accuracy, his completion percentage. Like in college, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen notoriously had a I think a fifty six

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say Drake May too. I just think and

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Speaker 1: Is he your Day one guy too? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I like Michael Penix, I do I If the Patriots

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Speaker 2: Stand on the table for your guy. This is your guy.

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Speaker 2: And you did a great job on the radio. By

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Speaker 1: The only thing I screwed up I forgot bo Nicks

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Speaker 2: Your shows, no a.

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Speaker 2: But also a bad ball by Quinneys.

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Speaker 1: But well, is there really a bad ball to Ady

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well yeah, because that corner made a great play.

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Speaker 1: That that National Championship game almost doesn't happen. Imagine if that.

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Speaker 2: But I think the thing with Penix for me has

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What you do.

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Speaker 1: That's called rebuilding a team. So I, he's the clean

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Speaker 2: No, I hear you. I just think that when you

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Speaker 2: So I think that those are our legitimate concerns. The

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Speaker 1: And that's why he didn't and that's why he stopped

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Speaker 1: I think the tight end CRT. I think Devin Kolp

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Speaker 2: He can do it. That's sort of how I feel

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, when I can't get over

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Speaker 1: I think that's about his ceiling, Like he'll be exciting

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Speaker 2: Guy you build a franchise around. Yeah. The other comp

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Speaker 2: Rattler too, how long, even for somebody like me that's

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00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,440
Speaker 2: just a casual college football fan for the most part,

436
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,720
Speaker 2: how long did we hear about oh, this is the

437
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 2: next guy. Rattler's the next guy. Here comes Rattler, right,

438
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,480
Speaker 2: look at it. Look out for Rattler. He never realized

439
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,120
Speaker 2: the potential in college. So what why are we supposed

440
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,399
Speaker 2: to believe that after three or four years of hearing

441
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 2: Spencer Ratler is the guy, we're finally gonna see Spencer

442
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:04,479
Speaker 2: Ratler be the guy.

443
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,919
Speaker 1: Well, what's so funny about Spencer Ratler to me is

444
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,399
Speaker 1: he's the number one recruit in his high school class. Right,

445
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,120
Speaker 1: He's considered this generation recruit he goes to Oklahoma. So

446
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,400
Speaker 1: this was on the heels.

447
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 2: Of MAT's, Lincoln Riley's Oklahoma, right.

448
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,639
Speaker 1: It's on the heels of Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray.

449
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 1: And he's supposed to be the next one up. He

450
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,360
Speaker 1: goes into his freshman season, he's like pretty good. It's

451
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 1: like all right, like he's not exactly what we thought

452
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 1: he'd be, but you know, he's pretty good. And then

453
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 1: the next year, so he goes into his sophomore year.

454
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,959
Speaker 1: Every he's like, he's gonna win the Heisman. This is it.

455
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 1: This is the year for Spencer Ratler. Yeah, midway through

456
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 1: the season he loses his job too Caleb Williams, and

457
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,439
Speaker 1: then Caleb Williams essentially goes on to have the career

458
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: Spencer Ratler was supposed to have. Caleb Williams. That's tough.

459
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 2: Took over.

460
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 1: Is like literally he came in, he becomes the next

461
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Speaker 1: great Oklahoma quarterback. He wins the Heisman, he's the first

462
00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,160
Speaker 1: overall pick, he's the general in the style of play, everything.

463
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,439
Speaker 1: This is everything Spencer Ratler was supposed to be. He

464
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 1: just lost it to Caleb Williams. So it's that under Belichick,

465
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: I would have Spencer Ratler circle because they like to

466
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 1: do that thing where high school five stars, the top

467
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: high school recruits, and can we get something out of it?

468
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 1: And look, that's not He just never like your pointed.

469
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up the high school stuff because

470
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 2: that's where I where I was thinking.

471
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,439
Speaker 1: I was trying to class.

472
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 2: Hang on, he just never got there. And there's all

473
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 2: this these people that these people that do like Spencer Ratler.

474
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,199
Speaker 2: They tell me he'll be a better pro than he

475
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 2: was a college player. Why assuming that.

476
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: He It's not that he was bad, he just wasn't

477
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: as good like at Oklahoma.

478
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 2: He wasn't bad.

479
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: He just wasn't as good as Caleb Williams came in

480
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: red River Rivalry to beat Texas. Yeah this is you

481
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: look at that recruiting class and he fell a little

482
00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 1: bit later. Oh no, he's so Spencer. You want to

483
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: hear something funny. Here's the twenty nineteen quarterback recruiting class

484
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: YEP number one, Spencer Ratler five stars, number two, Bo

485
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: Nicks five stars, number three, Jane Daniels four stars, number four,

486
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: Ryan Holinsky four stars. Ryan Helnsky is now a backup.

487
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: He's still in college. Sam hal six to his brother

488
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,239
Speaker 1: was eighth. Max Duggan is ninth. Where's he? I think

489
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: he's in this class. I'm trying to build to something.

490
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: Maybe he's not in this class.

491
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 2: I thought.

492
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: I thought, uh, all right. Anyway, The point being, like

493
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: you look at all the guys he's ranked over back

494
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 1: in high school, Like, he comes out definitely rattler. I'm

495
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, with some pedigree, but that's basically what

496
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 1: you're You're drafting him off of high school pedigree in

497
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: one decent year at South Carolina and some potential physical potent. Well,

498
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying with the high schoo high school pedigree.

499
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: Although he's a smaller guy, right.

500
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 2: That's the thing is, I have a tough time saying

501
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 2: physical potential. It's more arm talent. Like I said, I

502
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: should focus in on the army. He has a legitimate

503
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: NFL arm.

504
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: Mind, does yeah, And I think he knows it. And

505
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a problem.

506
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: At times because he's late to love everything.

507
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: Well that in he or maybe it's the reason why

508
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 1: he's late to a lot. He loves hunting big plays.

509
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: He has no interest in you know. Mac Jones used

510
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: to always say, just take a propheit right, take a profit.

511
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: He's got no interest in that. Rattler. He wants the

512
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: big play all the time, and he's been that way

513
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: for a while where it starts to become a thing

514
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: where he's twenty three years old. Now is he ever

515
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: going to adjust out of this? Or is this just

516
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: who he is as a quarterback? And you know who's

517
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: like that, Gardner Minshew.

518
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: So that I didn't write down Spencer Ratler and we

519
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: just did Spencer Rattler.

520
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: But he's a really interesting player to talk about, Like,

521
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm glad.

522
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: We did that. But the guy that I wrote down

523
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: is Bonnicks bo Nicks. And don't, yeah, don't, don't. Don't

524
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 2: mistake this for me thinking that he's this exciting, exhilarating prospect.

525
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler is a much more exciting watch on film

526
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: than bo Nicks. Bo Nicks is the definition of a

527
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 2: fine quarterback.

528
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: He's cromulent.

529
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means, but he's perfectly word.

530
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: He is reference. He is vanilla ice cream. There's no

531
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: doubt about it. He is very, very plain. There's nothing

532
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: exciting about his game. He doesn't go out there and

533
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: make any of those downfield throws that make it go wow.

534
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: He doesn't have the mobility in the out of structure

535
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: playmaking ability. With that being said, he's on time, he's accurate,

536
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: he makes relatively good decisions with the football. And if

537
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: you're gonna go the path of trade down with Minnesota,

538
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: accumulate picks, you know the stuff that Garrod Mayo is

539
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,719
Speaker 2: talking about at the owner's meetings. And you hit a tackle,

540
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: you hit receiver, you maybe you double dip and you

541
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 2: just load up. I think that. But it's worth taking

542
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: a guy like bon Nicks on day two than not

543
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: taking anybody at all, because bow Knicks with that supporting cast,

544
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: it's still a younger prospect. Like, it's not Jacoby Brissett.

545
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: It's not Bailey Zappie, who we know first time.

546
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: Bo Nix has been referred to as younger in the

547
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: entire draft process by anybody. It's not.

548
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 2: It's not Bailey Zappie, which we've already seen. He's better

549
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: than Bailey's He's better. He's better. Yeah, Yeah, he's a bigger.

550
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: He's gonna start armies better.

551
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: To your point of if you figure out everything else

552
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: at the top, and this goes back to my thing

553
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: about the Niners model and the net neutral quarterback?

554
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

555
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: How big is the gap between Bo Knicks and Michael Pratt?

556
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: Big?

557
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: How big is the gap between Bo Nicks and Jordan

558
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: Travis bigger? Is it big enough that you'd be willing

559
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: to pass on? Because I mean, if you're talking Bo

560
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: Nicks in the second round, you're talking about thirty four,

561
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: would you be willing to pass? Is the gap big

562
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: enough for you to give up on Adie Mitchell or

563
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: for you to give up on Kingsley?

564
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: Sumtia? But why am I Kingsley? Maybe? Yeah?

565
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: But because you can only take one guy thirty fourth overall?

566
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: Right, But if I trade down with Minnesota and I

567
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: have eleven and twenty three, now I'm drafting the receiver

568
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: at eleven or the tackle at twenty three.

569
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: You can get the receiver you can get.

570
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 2: So you can, Okay, get away my next mock draft,

571
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: because you should. I want people to read it. But

572
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: the point is is that you can get in the

573
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 2: first round franchise tackle for you know, number one receiver,

574
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 2: and then on day two you have an extra pick.

575
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: Now that you know you're not earmarking for tackle or

576
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: receiver like you would have been if you take the

577
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: quarterback early, and then maybe you double dip at receiver.

578
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: Maybe you come out of the draft with Ady Mitchell

579
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: and like one of the slot guys, you know, Roman

580
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: Wilson or something, Ricky Piersoll or one of those guys.

581
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's what I would do. I would

582
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: stick and pick I'm I'm sticking by that. I would

583
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: take the quarterback at three.

584
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: So, first of all, I think a team is gonna

585
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: be dumb enough to take Bonicks in the first round.

586
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: So the other thing that I'm afraid about with with

587
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: all this is I and I get it. We'll say this,

588
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: and it's it's kind of sounds like a broken record

589
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: at this point. There is a chance that one of

590
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks in the twenty twenty five class breaks out

591
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: and has a Jaden Daniels type season, and we're looking

592
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: at that player very differently. But if that's the case,

593
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: he's gonna go one one. Are you gonna have the

594
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: first overall pick? Maybe? Maybe not. You don't want to

595
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: have the first overall pick. But my point is, if

596
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: you put bon Nicks in the twenty twenty five quarterback class,

597
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 2: where does he This is a very very good quarterback class.

598
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: So where does bow Nick's rank in twenty twenty five?

599
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: I think he's a better prospect than Quinn Yours.

600
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: No, oh, come on, are you serious?

601
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: Yes? Are you serious?

602
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: Quin Yours is a better version of bone X. Queen

603
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: Ewers has no arm. Quin Yourers is throwing lollipops.

604
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: Quin Youwers, in my opinion, is very, very similar to

605
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: mac Jones.

606
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: He's got way more pop in his game than mac Jones, does,

607
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: I think yourself?

608
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: I think it's really easy to see that when you

609
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: have Xavier words Sanders and a good running back and

610
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: two good tackles, and you're out there and you're playing.

611
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: You know, also a Quinn Viewers went into Alabama in one.

612
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 2: Did quinn Ewers go into Alabama and win? Or did

613
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: Texas go into Alabama?

614
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: Bone Knicks with a ton of talent when he was

615
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: at Auburn multiple times on the road, couldn't get it done,

616
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: had to play Georgia at Oregon, couldn't get it done.

617
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm taking playing you're thinking of bon Knicks to me

618
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: is more like Riley Leonard if we're gonna get he's better,

619
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: but he's close to.

620
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: In that Quinn Yours Carson Beck, like right in that category.

621
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: You're just saying names now, none of the Carson Beck

622
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: is like a pure pocket passer. Yeah, he's also six five.

623
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: I think Nix six one.

624
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: I think bo Nix is also pretty much a pere pocket.

625
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: I think Carson Beck, Carson Beck is a better armed

626
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: than Bonnicks does Carson back and zip the.

627
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: I think Boenix has a better arm than you do.

628
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: I think Bonicks has the Alex Smith syndrome of it

629
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: doesn't love to push it down the field. He's not

630
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: a very aggressive downfield thrower. He'll take the deep balls

631
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: that are available to him, and he's not going to

632
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: hold you back in that respect, but he's not gonna

633
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: throw tight window passes down the field. When I say

634
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: down the field, I mean like twenty plus yards down

635
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: the field. But I just think that there's something to

636
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: be said for two things with Bonicks. One, I still

637
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: think if they're going to trade down and they're not

638
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: taking the quarterback early, it's worth taking a swing on

639
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: a quarterback at some point in the.

640
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: Draft, I guess. But I think to me, if you're

641
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: a team that needs this is different. If it's like

642
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and they have Brady and they're trying to

643
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: find the next guy. Right for who they are right now.

644
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: Is bo Nicks gimp.

645
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: Ish?

646
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

647
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: Like, what's wrong with that? Cause I don't want to

648
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: take that guy thirty fourth overall because it's proven that

649
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: if you build the rest of the roster up, if

650
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: you use that pick to invest in the rest of

651
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: the roster, you get Brock pretty late on day three.

652
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: And then I'm not gonna say.

653
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: Now property was mister irrelevant.

654
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: It's one of one, take them first or take them last.

655
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: With the quarterback, take them first or take them last

656
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: if you're not gonna get a guy that is an

657
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: elite prospect.

658
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: The hit rate on quarterbacks is so small as it is.

659
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: The hit rate on on Day three quarterbacks outside of

660
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: Brock Purty is zero. Like Dak Prescott, I get was right.

661
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: The hit rate on Day two quarterbacks outside of Jalen

662
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: Hurts in the last five years is zero.

663
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: But my point is is that I think bow Knicks

664
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: is a better quarterback than you do. Maybe that's the

665
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: whole crux of this.

666
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: Well. I mean, I think he's gonna go in the

667
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: first round, so none of this match I don't think

668
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: so I think so.

669
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: I think he goes late. I think he goes early.

670
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: Second because of how good the quarterback class is. I

671
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 2: think that in any in most other classes, I think

672
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: bow Neck gets Kenny picketed, you know, like he becomes

673
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: like an quarterback prospect that it gets over drafts.

674
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: But I think in this class, Kenny Pickett's actually very good. Confidence.

675
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: I think in this there's enough talent at the position.

676
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: There's four legitimate quarterback prospects, even though we necessarily don't

677
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: agree with the JJ McCarthy thing. There's four legitimate quarterback

678
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: five there's okay, yeah, there's five legitimate quarterback prospects. Sure,

679
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: assuming that penix is all cleared medically, right, and that

680
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: means that you're not gonna draft bonicks.

681
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: But for them could go in the top six picks.

682
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: And there's a ton of teams that need quarterbacks.

683
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: It's possible. All right, who's your Day two guy?

684
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: It's reluctantly, Spencer Rattler. Yeah, And and I don't even

685
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: necessarily mean that as a not really don't like, no,

686
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't even mean that as a knock on Rattler

687
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: When I say reluctantly again, it's this thing where like,

688
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: if they're not gonna take the quarterback at the top

689
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: of the draft, I guess like you could pitch me on,

690
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even take Rattler at sixty eight. Like if

691
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: they're going to trade back into the late third round

692
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: or trade down on the end of the pick, I

693
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: guess I could be talked into it because there are

694
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: some interesting traits there. But I just either take the

695
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: quarterback or build the entirety of the roster and get

696
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: ready for quarterback in the future. I hate the half

697
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: measure idea because the reality is, if you draft Spencer Rattler,

698
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: you probably still need to take a quarterback next year.

699
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: And if you're doing that, you blew a very expensive

700
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: asset on a lottery ticket. Could it work out, Yes,

701
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: but I don't think the odds are in your favor

702
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: in that regard. I'd rather use that asset elsewhere. And

703
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: if you really want a lottery ticket, we'll get to

704
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: day three. There's some guys on Day three who do

705
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: they have as much of a chance as hitting at Rattler. No,

706
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: but the the risk reward of it, I'd rather just

707
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: take a smaller risk, and no matter what you do

708
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: at this point, whether it's developing Spencer Ratler, whether it's

709
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: developing Jordan Travis, whether it's developing a guy like a

710
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: Devin Leary or Jason Bean And you notice who I

711
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: left out there. We'll get to that. It's a long

712
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: shot no matter what, it's a long shot. So if

713
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: it's going to be a long shot anyway, I'd rather

714
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: just invest the later asset. But if they're sitting there saying,

715
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: we're not going to take quarterback at the top of

716
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: the draft, but we want to come out of the

717
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: top one hundred with a guy I would package like

718
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: one oh three and maybe the mac Jones pick and

719
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: one ninety three and move into the nineties late eighties

720
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: and takes back Rattler.

721
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: I would rather do that.

722
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: And I think bo Nicks I have Bonus ranked ahead

723
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: of Spencer Rattler, but for what it costs and all

724
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: of that, in the odds of them hitting, I would

725
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: rather take Spencer Rattler at ninety than I would take

726
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: bow Knicks at thirty four.

727
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: I just look at bow Knicks and think that there's

728
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: a path to him being your net neutral thing, but

729
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: he think there's a path to you to him being

730
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to keep using Kirk Cousins. I actually

731
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: think Kirk Cousins is too good. Yeah, that's the point

732
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: for this conversation. So Andy Dalton, Derek Carr, you know,

733
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: like one of those types of that guy you can go.

734
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: You don't need to draft Bo Knicks to get that guy.

735
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: You can go get that. That guy's in the draft

736
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: every year.

737
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: That guy's in the draft almost I.

738
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: Want to draft a quarterback every single year.

739
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: Drake okay, until you but did Ron Wolf keep draft

740
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: always take him in the top fifty.

741
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: I don't know.

742
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: I have to go back and probably not. Drake may

743
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: is not the draft every year. Jane Daniels is not

744
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: the I'll even say I don't think there's a guy

745
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: like JJ McCarthy in the draft every year, as much

746
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: as I don't like him for the Patriots. Yeah, there

747
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: are some unique things about JJ McCarthy that interests me.

748
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: Bone Nicks, you can go find Bone, go find the

749
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: fifth best quarterback in the seas go, you can go

750
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: find Graham Mertz, you can go find Will Howard. That

751
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: guy's in the draft every year.

752
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: I think I think.

753
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: Graham Graham Mertz may be. I'll admit that both right,

754
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: Graham Mertz may have.

755
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: Been Day three. I think we probably have the same guy.

756
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: It's Joe Milton.

757
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: It's actually not for me.

758
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I think you're just trying to be different

759
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: because you can.

760
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: I'll explain. I'll explain to Joe Milton. So first, it's

761
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: Joe Milton.

762
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: I just think that the physical tools if you're taking,

763
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: if you're really throwing a dart on day three of

764
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: the draft, and you're really taking that lottery ticket, you

765
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 2: have to bet on the upside and the physical tools.

766
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to bet on like a Michael Pratt,

767
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 2: who's just gonna be.

768
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: You know, Michael Pratt's Day three bonecks.

769
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 2: You're right exactly. I need if I'm going on day

770
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: three and we're really waiting that long, or we're double

771
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: dipping and we're taking, you know, a safer guy like

772
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: a JJ McCarthy earlier, and then we want to come

773
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: back and take a more toolsy guy later, I'm taking

774
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: Joe Milton. I think that there's a role for Joe

775
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: Milton on a football team. I don't know. I don't

776
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: know if he's a starting quarterback ever in this league

777
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: because of all the issues that he has playing the

778
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: quarterback position. But between the arm and the athleticism, you

779
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: can find something to do.

780
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: I think he'd be a very good locker room guy.

781
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe his career path is not going to ever

782
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: be to the starting quarterback because of how raw he

783
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: is and just how the decision making, the processing, all

784
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: of the stuff that's wrong with him. But I think

785
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: that he is going to be in a quarterback room

786
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: for a decent amount of time.

787
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: I think he's I struggle to use the Taysom hillcomp

788
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: because a lot of people look at Joe Milton his

789
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: athletic testing in his size and say, well, just moveing

790
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: to tight end, But.

791
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: Like, how about Logan Thomas.

792
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: No, but here's the I don't think he's a tight

793
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: end Jackson.

794
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: No.

795
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: I don't think he can play tight end. His footwork's

796
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 1: not there. Yeah, but I think he could be essentially

797
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: a gadget. This is a very collegey thing. NFL teams

798
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: don't do that. Sneaks, Hail Mary's sneaks kind of what

799
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: Kobe recepted for the Colts. Remember that, and again, this

800
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: is more of a college thing, right. Blake Bell the

801
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: bell dozer back in the days at Oklahoma, Oh, I

802
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: love the Bell Dozer, but the NFL is becoming more

803
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: like college football, so maybe there's a role for him

804
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: in that regard as the scout team quarterback things like that.

805
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: I just it's kind of it's funny, not in terms

806
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: of how he is as a player, but when I

807
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: look at the draft board, in the analysis of risk

808
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: and reward. Yeah, some team, the Giants, some team is

809
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: going to see the throat the pro day and see

810
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: the testing and see the size and say we can

811
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: fix him and take him way higher than he should go.

812
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: If you tell me you can get bothe, you can

813
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: get Joe Milton at one eight, sign me up.

814
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

815
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm not taking him in the top one fifty because

816
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: I just he's twenty four years old, he's had these issues,

817
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's gonna fall that far. Some

818
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: team is going to look at him. Somebody tweeted when

819
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: he made that throw at his pro day, right outdoors,

820
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: eighty yards into the wind. Somebody tweeted, that's the kind

821
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: of throw that makes a GM forget about six years

822
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: of game tape, and like that's correct, it's a joke,

823
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: but it's not.

824
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: I just think the issue with him too is. I

825
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: know everybody points the decision making. He has some really

826
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: bad interceptionism, not great on his tape. But when you

827
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: also want like he's so heavy, like he's just not

828
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: light on his feet at all. Well, even he is

829
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: when he runs, but he's not in the pocket, right,

830
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: And even on that eighty yard throw that he had

831
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 2: at his pro day, his feet are like in cement. Well,

832
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: you know, he just kind of.

833
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: To me fair, I think, and he did at the

834
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: combine and people pointed at that. I think he's just

835
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: trying to, like I think that's some showmanship. I think

836
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: he's trying to like build drama for the throw because

837
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: when you watch him actually in games, is he's not

838
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: that slow at dropping back.

839
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you gotta you gotta have at least a

840
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: little bit. You want to see the guy be light

841
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: on his feet, right, You don't want to see him

842
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 2: just sink into quicksand all the time. All right, who's

843
00:37:58,960 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 2: your day? Three guys?

844
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: So like, if you're telling me you can get Joe

845
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: Milton one eighty five, I think he's going higher. Okay,

846
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: I have to give you two here, noll you got one,

847
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: all right?

848
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 2: I got one?

849
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what since nobody's talking about Andrew Peasley

850
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's gonna end up in the league.

851
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: I'll go Jason Bean from Kansas. So Jason be Jason Bean,

852
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: Jesson Be. Yeah, Jason Bean is a little bit of

853
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: a tough evaluation because he was Kansas's backup quarterback the

854
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: last two years. But they're starting quarterback who will will

855
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: be in the class next year. Get ready to be confused.

856
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: Jayalen Daniels, who plays very similar to Jayden Jyalen Daniels,

857
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: who was the Big twelve Offense Player of the Year,

858
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: had this nagging back injury that he was basically a

859
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: game time decision every week, And when you watch Kansas football,

860
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: you'd basically just be waiting for kickoff to figure out

861
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: is it Jaylen Daniels today or is it Jason Bean.

862
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: And Jason Bean isn't quite as good as Jaylen Daniels's

863
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: not as good as a passer, but six ' three two

864
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: oh five, he's all legs and watching him run. He

865
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: d remember watching Colin Kaepernick run just how natural his

866
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: strides looked like he would just kind of glide down

867
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: in the field. It was effortless.

868
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: I always hesitate to include Colin Kaepernick and these types

869
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: of things. But as a purely as a runner, if

870
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: I had to compare Jaden Daniels to anybody as a runner,

871
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: it would be Kaepernick.

872
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: It's kind of that. But Jason Bean's built like him too,

873
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: Like he's got a simple so he's not like he's

874
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: pretty far away his passer, but he does have like

875
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: he can pick the short stuff apart he can run.

876
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: He's got a good head on his shoulders. Look, the

877
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: Patriots have We've seen them do this before. They bring

878
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: in that Malik Cunningham, Jamar Jamar Smith, Right, they bring

879
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: in that third kind of running quarterback as a scout

880
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: team guy. Now, how you can elevate your emergency third

881
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: guy from the practice squad if they want somebody who's well,

882
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: we don't know who they're gonna draft, but if they

883
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: want more like a pure running option at quarterback, and

884
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: this would be more if they draft a Drake May

885
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: or a JJ McCarthy.

886
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: Or so you're describing like Malie Cunningham.

887
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not as fast as Malie Cunningham, Like he's

888
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: kind of like a little bit lesser Malie cunning him.

889
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: But if they want like just another Bailey's Appy. If

890
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: they just want another carbon cut backup, I'd go with

891
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: Carter Bradley from South Alabama. But if they want, like, hey,

892
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: we want a guy that can run some options stuff

893
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: and you know, have that sort of skill set in

894
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: the building, they've talked a lot about. We've heard them

895
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: talk about how they want like high character guy's leaders.

896
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: Think about what Jason Bean went through to basically be

897
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: a spot starter for a for a Power five team

898
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 1: week to week. Didn't transfer, staid, stuck it out. He's

899
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: just you know, I'm not saying he's gonna come in

900
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: and fix everything.

901
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: He's not.

902
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: But if we're talking about I'm talking about like end

903
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: of the draft, I'm talking about outside of the top

904
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: two hundred. You want to just throw a pick on

905
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: a quarterback, you could you could do a lot worse

906
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: than Jason Bean in that regard.

907
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you brought up Kaepernick because I, like

908
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: I said, I've been hesitant to like even talk about

909
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: this really because of because it sets everybody off on

910
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: everything else. But yeah, but no, seriously, Jaden Daniels, he doesn't.

911
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson has quickness and straight line speed, Yeah, like

912
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson's is extremely elusive with the football in his hands,

913
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: I don't Jaden Daniels is not quite as elusive as him.

914
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: But Jaden Daniels has got long strides and he's a glider,

915
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: you know, he just really can pull away and has

916
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: great straight line speed. I look at Jaden Daniels as

917
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 2: a runner and see a carbon copy of Kaepernick. He's

918
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: a better thrower than Kaepernick was. But if I had

919
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: to really give a cop for Jaden Daniels, it'd probably

920
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: be justin Fields as a passer and Kaepernick as a runner.

921
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: So with Bean, it's more just like the mechanics of

922
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: the running. Yeah, with Kaepernick there was no wasted motion.

923
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: And Jason b he looks he's not a track guy,

924
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: which is interesting, but he looks like a track runner

925
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: when he runs.

926
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: Okay, so go in. Let's skip over receivers for now,

927
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: just because I want to also talk about my teas

928
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: my rankings as well.

929
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: So you're incomplete rankings.

930
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to tackle. Okay, So day one, I'm

931
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: still I'm still pounding the table for Alt, like if

932
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: they drafted Joe Alt after a trade down or something

933
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: like that. Maybe they trade down with the Giants at six,

934
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 2: because I don't think you can go too far down.

935
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: I think the Chargers are taking him at five frankly,

936
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: so I think that you're probably not getting him either way.

937
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: But I just think that Joe Alt is going to

938
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: be an all pro stud franchise left tackle for a decade,

939
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: and I can't really see very many other outcomes, Like

940
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: the worst case scenario is probably like a Jake Matthews

941
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: Nate Soldier type who was still a very, very good

942
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: starting tackle for a long time in this league.

943
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: So we're doing this as because I was gonna say,

944
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: like Joe Alt, I didn't have because I don't want

945
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: I want them to take quarterback, right, So you're not

946
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: getting the quarterback and Joelt yes, but they if they

947
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: say we're not going quarterback or we're trading down a six,

948
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks will be gone. Joe Aalt is the

949
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: guy for me.

950
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: I just would say, I know there's gonna be so

951
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 2: many disappointed Patriots fans if the pick is Joe Alt.

952
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: It's not a bad pick.

953
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: It's not about not about that's that was the only

954
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: reason why I wanted to include it over to this exercise. No,

955
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: that's fair. I want to stress that that's a very

956
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: for a team that has a lot of holes on

957
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 2: offense and needs to really just upgrade the whole roster.

958
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: Joe Alt is just not a bad pack So I

959
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: say this all the time, Evan. We started covering the

960
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: team in twenty eighteen, we've really never covered an offseason

961
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: where we weren't talking about left tackle.

962
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: You start out, you will not have to talk about

963
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: left tackle for a decade.

964
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: We're done.

965
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: We're done.

966
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: If they take Joe Aalt, which would be great. So

967
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: I approach this little different. I would still Joe Alt

968
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: to my top tackle in the draft. That hasn't changed

969
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: in years, but I kind of approached it differently. And

970
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about flirting with that idea of

971
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: do you move up from thirty four in the back

972
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: end of the first down trying to find somebody And

973
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: if they were to do that, my guy's Tyler Geyiton.

974
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

975
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: I think the ability to play both sides, the athleticism

976
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: he kind of fits that Elliott wolf packer. They like

977
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: the athleticism. He's certainly athletic. I do put some stock

978
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: into Oklahoma just churns out tackles. That's what they do there,

979
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: and he's nasty. He's got a little bit of that

980
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: Trent Williams. You're gonna get a leader. You're gonna get

981
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: a guy that the offense can get behind, not just

982
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: literally but figuratively. So you know, the other guys in

983
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: that range would be Amarius Mims, Jordan Morgan, maybe Kingsley.

984
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: Outside of Morgan, I think I'd be okay with any

985
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: of those guys. Mims would be weird.

986
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: I think I still see. I just we'll see, and

987
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I'm Guyton. I think the one

988
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: thing with Guyton is he plays a little tall, and

989
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: so they're gonna have to coach that up with him.

990
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: They just look, they have the offensive line staff that

991
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: had figured out Dwan Jones.

992
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, like those types of things are are concerned

993
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: with him because he's so tall that he plays up

994
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: right Joe. That's what makes Joalt such a rare specimen

995
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: is that Joe Alt has the flexibility to be six '

996
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: nine and still leverage blocks, which is incredibly impressive. Whereas

997
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: with the guy you know, you don't watch Joe Alton

998
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: say his height's an issue. Ever, well, you were you

999
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: were getting ready to you were worried. I was. I

1000
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 2: was because six ' nine. You know, I remember talking

1001
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: to Scarnekia about Nate Solder and him saying, Nate Soldier

1002
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: is a really, really good football player, but he's too tall.

1003
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: What do you think Scar would say about Joalt? I

1004
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: don't know. I just asked that conversations with him, So

1005
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm just.

1006
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: I think you would love him. But I think that

1007
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,959
Speaker 2: for Scar, I think that he would like a little

1008
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: bit more nasty on his film, like a little bit

1009
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: more finish. That's all of Shana, right, Like if you

1010
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: want finish and you want nasty, and you want a

1011
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 2: guy that or maybe like a JC Latham or Fagawa,

1012
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: like those guys finish forga.

1013
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: If you talk about Fwanga from More, say he's nasty,

1014
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: He's a whole lot of nasty. I love him, but

1015
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: he's only a right tackle problem.

1016
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 2: Jolt is a a positional tackle, like he slides in mirrors,

1017
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: he walls guys off. But you're not going to turn

1018
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: on his film and watch him, you know, block somebody

1019
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 2: with Michael Orr style into the stance, right, That's just

1020
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: not his game. But I think that ultimately the lower

1021
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: half and the flexibility and the bend and the ability

1022
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: to slide and all those types of things. I think

1023
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: that scar would would eat all that up.

1024
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: So yeah, I I I go Morgan though, or sorry,

1025
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: I go Geyton. Mims is the one that I can't.

1026
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: Amarius Mims is kind of the J. J. McCarthy of tackles. Yeah,

1027
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: he's only started seven games, like he's masked.

1028
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 2: That's why I I can't. I still can't really imagine

1029
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: a team taking him in the first round. It's just

1030
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: not It's similar to what I've been saying with Pennix

1031
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: with the injuries. That player, notoriously is a high second

1032
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: round pick with real red flags in terms of availability.

1033
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: It's availability, right, Like it's literally is he going to

1034
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 2: be available to play games?

1035
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: But no, it's not that he well he did get

1036
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: hurt last year, but he has seven so, I mean,

1037
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: he was just buried at Georgia. It's not like he

1038
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: has multiple But isn't that a little bit concerning not

1039
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: when you look at who he was with the Georgia.

1040
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: I guess, but he's Look, he's a rare, rare athlete.

1041
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: So and if he had played two years as a starter,

1042
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 2: we might be talking about him as like a top

1043
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: ten picks. Oh yeah, yeah.

1044
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: And but that's the thing. I think some team looks.

1045
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: Some teams may look at and be like, yeah, he'd

1046
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: be a top ten pick in two years, so let's

1047
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: just take him out. So I look at a team

1048
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: like the Niners where Trent William is gonna play fair.

1049
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 2: Well, you might.

1050
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: You may be able to sit him, you might be

1051
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: able to set him for a year. But I think

1052
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: somebody also might just fall in love with the traits,

1053
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: with the size, And I mean, this is twenty years ago,

1054
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: but I think some of it still holds.

1055
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: Like I was watching I think it.

1056
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,479
Speaker 1: Was Brad Spielberg or somebody. Yeah, maybe Steve Poloso, right.

1057
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hotel in Vegas. I don't know which one it is.

1058
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: No, anyways, one of the PF guys was posting clips

1059
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: from the two thousand and.

1060
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: Two NFL draft. Yeah, oh that was Steve. Okay, Steve's

1061
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: doing that and.

1062
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: It was great and he got to Dwight Freenye and

1063
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: it was like the eleventh pick, I think, with the

1064
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 1: Colts crazy and they're all freaking out about Dwight Freeney

1065
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: going too high, and Berman's talking about like, well, he

1066
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: measured in at this and then he ran a four

1067
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: to three at the combine, and like, how you know,

1068
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: it's just so enticing. I think Marius Mims there's some

1069
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: of that where some team is gonna see was he's

1070
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: like six eight three forty apps thirty seven inch arms,

1071
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, moves very well. Some team's gonna see that

1072
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, okay. Well, And I say this

1073
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: as Dwan Jones fell to the fourth round last year,

1074
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: when I was pounding the table for this is the guy.

1075
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: It's not too good to be true. So maybe there's

1076
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: some of that with the Marius Mims. But I don't

1077
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: see how some team out of thirty two teams, one

1078
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: team doesn't look at that and be like, you know,

1079
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: there's there's too much here to not take them.

1080
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I agree with you. He's an alien like

1081
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: If you if you did know anything about this draft

1082
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: and you just said, who's the most alien like tackle

1083
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: in this class? I think it's probably Mimps, just an

1084
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: absolute freak of nature at that size. To you, just

1085
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: he's the guy.

1086
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: You know. I like to say this about certain guys

1087
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: in the draft that even if they're good players, you

1088
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: can get players with a similar skill set other years, right,

1089
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: you can get so I like Tyler Guyton. They'll be

1090
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: guys like Tyler Goiiton in future drafts. They'll be guys

1091
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: like I would even say olof Sean. They'll be guys

1092
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: like Olafa Sean in future drafts.

1093
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: O Olifa Sean. Who is you know like some of

1094
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: the guys that I.

1095
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: Think he's like slightly better? Broder chokes, Yeah, who's.

1096
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: The guy that Carolina drafted that I can't oh, I

1097
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 2: come upon him? Yeah, very similar player.

1098
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: So you're not gonna go so Mims six eight three

1099
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: forty thirty seven inch arms ran a five oh seven forty. Yeah,

1100
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: you're not gonna find You can't just go get that

1101
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: guy next year. If you want that physical skill set,

1102
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: you have to take him now. You're not getting him later. Okay,

1103
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: day two, you got Day two? You know it's Patrick Paul.

1104
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: I've been staunched on Patrick Paul. That's my guy. I

1105
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: think the league sleeping on him, just like they s

1106
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: left on Dowan Jones.

1107
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: Again.

1108
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: It's that thing where he has all the uncoachables. He's massive,

1109
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: he's got plenty of nasty. He can play on both sides.

1110
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: He's got a ton of experience. You just got to

1111
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: fix his hands. If you fix his hands, I think

1112
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: you have a starting left tack. I think you have

1113
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 1: a very good starting left tackle.

1114
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: So many of these guys in college, their hands just stink,

1115
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: and I just don't know if they're not being coached

1116
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: or if they just get away with it. Yeah, because

1117
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 2: they all these guys they you know, Patrick Paul, big

1118
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: bear hugger right his hands when he punches. Instead of

1119
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: like punching inside the chest like this, like firmly, he

1120
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: just goes like this and just kind of grabs the

1121
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 2: guy in the league. That's either gonna get you bull

1122
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 2: rushed right through your chest or you're gonna get penalties.

1123
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: Like there's one of the other things. You know, that's

1124
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 2: that because when guys quickly redirect now outside and you're

1125
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 2: holding right. So but if you fix that, what kind

1126
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: of players you're talking about it?

1127
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: And the other interesting thing to me about Paul is

1128
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: generally with these big guys. So he's six seven three

1129
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: thirty one thirty six in charms. Yeah, these big guys

1130
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: generally come into the league as better run blockers than

1131
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: pass blockers. We say, okay, he's you know, he can

1132
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: run block, fine, he's gonna have to develop his pass blocker.

1133
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: It's kind of the other way with Paul.

1134
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 2: He's a better pass blocker.

1135
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: Which I feel like for a guy that big, it's

1136
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: probably easier to teach him to run block.

1137
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, move the guy. And at the Senior Bowl,

1138
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: I think it was a key for him to be like,

1139
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: I can run block and we can show that type

1140
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 2: of stuff. So he he he got on some double

1141
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: teams with the guard from yukon hands and they were

1142
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: they were moving.

1143
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: So I don't think Paul. Paul might not be a

1144
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: day one starter, but I think he can be a

1145
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: year one starter. And if they can get a if

1146
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: they're not going to take a tackle in the first round,

1147
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: I think that's as much as you can ask for.

1148
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, I'm a big Kingsley fan. Yeah,

1149
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: so I've already in the Kingsley take a million times.

1150
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: So I actually I just wanted to give a spotlight

1151
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 2: to somebody else, so i'd ask you this too.

1152
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: Do you think he's a lock to go on Day two?

1153
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: Athletically?

1154
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: No?

1155
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: But he is raw. His pass sets are pretty raw.

1156
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 2: He gets over extended a lot. He gets off balance

1157
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 2: a lot. He's gonna have to work on his footwork

1158
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: and his posture. But in terms of athleticism, he's a

1159
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 2: better athlete than his cousin. Like, he's a better athlete

1160
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: than Penny Sewell. He tested better, but he's just Penny

1161
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 2: Stewells was so much more polished coming out of college

1162
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: with his technique. But you have you know, the bloodlines there,

1163
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 2: you know the athletic traits are there there, the flashes

1164
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: are there on film. In a year or two, is

1165
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: he Penny Sewel Like, it's possible. Right, It's definitely on

1166
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: the on the radar for him. So I actually want

1167
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 2: to give a different shout out to a different guy,

1168
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: Roger rosen Garden Well, Washington, everybody. He's gonna go much

1169
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: higher than people think, much higher.

1170
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: He got the Michael Panic's treatment too. From the National champion.

1171
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 2: He had a bad game in the National Championship.

1172
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: Your sellers a little more than beat Yeah, but you

1173
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: actually go back and watch it.

1174
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: He gave up five pressures and he didn't give up

1175
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 2: a sack. He just gave up a quarterback.

1176
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: But the ones he gave up you look at like

1177
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: he's not even out of his stance and the rushers around.

1178
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, he had bad National Championship give me. I

1179
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: think in that game in particular, they really attacked him

1180
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 2: with you know, like multiple like creepers, Like you're gonna

1181
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: have three guys over you, and you're not gonna know

1182
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: which one's gonna come and which one's gonna drop, and

1183
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: then you have to diagnose the post nap. His brain

1184
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 2: was spinning in the game. That's basically what I'm saying.

1185
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 2: He athletically though, the way he moves, how explosive he

1186
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: is out of his stance, he's not all that different

1187
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: is a prospect as Troy fottenw is, but he's just

1188
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 2: not quite as ready in terms of technique. The biggest

1189
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: problem that I see with him, other than some of

1190
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 2: the gamesmanship that Michigan did with him that that put

1191
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: him in a blender a little bit, is that he

1192
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: overseets that he'll come out way too far because he's

1193
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: a smaller guy. So smaller guys, your guy, Patrick Paul,

1194
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: He's just gonna sit back and try to eclipse the quarterback.

1195
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit back in my chair and you're gonna

1196
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: come to me. A guy like Roger Rosengarden. He's undersized,

1197
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: so he's got to go get you. He's gonna fight

1198
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: fire with fire. He's gonna come and get you and

1199
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: bring the fight to you. So what happens is that

1200
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 2: he explodes out of his stance and the guys just

1201
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: hit him with the inside counter because he there's so

1202
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: much space being created on the inside. So you see

1203
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: the armovers, you see the inside spins, you see the

1204
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 2: inside out crossovers, and all of a sudden, he's all

1205
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: the way out here and the guy's going inside of him.

1206
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: If they can develop his anchor and get him to

1207
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 2: you know, NFL strength and conditioning program adds some mass

1208
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: to his frame, he's going to be a good pro.

1209
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: He's extremely explosive on film. And that's when you talk

1210
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: about Lineman like you don't necessarily always talk about that

1211
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 2: guy's an explosive mover. Him and his and his teammate

1212
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: Troy is it fat Neil, I always mess it up,

1213
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: Fatanu whatever, I'll look it up. I should get there.

1214
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: Ever since I found out, it was saying fashion now

1215
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: on Yeah, it's fashion new, fashion new.

1216
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. They move very similarly in terms of that really

1217
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 2: fast forty yard dash as well. I think he's like

1218
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: four to nine or something like that. Crazy one of

1219
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: the I think he was the fastest alignment at the

1220
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: forty yard dash. All he needs is to do is

1221
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 2: develop a stronger anchor so he doesn't need to be

1222
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: so aggressive. He's too aggressive right now in his past sets.

1223
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: You calm him down and you get him a little

1224
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: bit more sturdy anchor. There are you know, talking to

1225
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: people at the pro days and stuff like that about

1226
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: some of these linemen. Roger Rosenngarden, some teams have him

1227
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: as high as the second round.

1228
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: I've seen that. Yeah, I think everybody's or not. When

1229
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: I say everybody like this is kind of what the

1230
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: draft thing is when we talk about players moving on boards.

1231
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: The teams know who these guys are because they're smart

1232
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: and they don't put as much weight in the combine,

1233
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: in the Pro day and things like that as we do.

1234
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: They're going off the regular season film. Everybody just saw

1235
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: Rosenngarten in the championship, buried him on their draft boards,

1236
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: and then when the time came around to watch the

1237
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: lineman and they actually watched him over the course of

1238
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: the year, they're now realizing, Hey, this guy's actually pretty good.

1239
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good all right, D three.

1240
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: So kind of a similar player actually to Rosengarten. And

1241
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: part of the reason I like this guy so much

1242
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: is I think again, when you go back and you

1243
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: look at what Elliott Wolfe has traditionally and his teams

1244
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: have traditionally targeted a tackle. Yeah, checks a lot of

1245
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: the boxes. That's Tyland Grable from UCF YE. So late yeah,

1246
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: so late developer. He's a quarterback actually in high school

1247
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: through for three thousand yards of junior in high school,

1248
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: so he ends up a smaller school. He ends up

1249
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: lettle More off the radar, but six six three zho,

1250
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: six thirty four inch arms. You talked about the combine

1251
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,959
Speaker 1: testing Evan four nine thirty seven inch vertical, nine foot

1252
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: nine inch broad jump. A great, great athlete for the position,

1253
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: and he's pretty skilled for a guy that's gonna go

1254
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: later in the draft, and he doesn't have as much

1255
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: experience as some other guys. That's why he's further down there. Again,

1256
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: he's not big. I don't think he's small, but he's

1257
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: more of an athletic tackle. He does need to bulk up.

1258
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: He's not powerful enough right now. But if you're talking

1259
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: about a project tackle. You take them middle late day

1260
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: three and you lock them in the weight room for

1261
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: a year. We'll see him in twenty twenty five, because

1262
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: that's the kind of guy we're talking about in this

1263
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: range in the draft. There are no quick fixes on

1264
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: date like this tackle class drops off hard after the

1265
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: whole draft does. Like that's something another thing that no,

1266
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: but the tackles especially that.

1267
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things I also came away from

1268
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: my little tour there last week. This draft after like

1269
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: the fifth round is falls off a cliff. Yeah, some

1270
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: people even say the fourth round. And we've talked a

1271
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: little bit about this on PU on Tuesday. This is

1272
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: a really big impact of NIL, I think, right because

1273
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys, these underclassmen that would push

1274
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: these guys down the board, that these older players down

1275
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 2: the board because there's more early declares, there's more juniors

1276
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 2: coming out, so you would have you know another I

1277
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: think it's Jim Nage put the numbers out there at

1278
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: one point. I think there's like half as many juniors.

1279
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: A difference of forty or fifty players. And well, so

1280
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: some of that's at the top, some of that's also

1281
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: at the bottom because you would have guys that aren't

1282
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: ready but would declare for the draft because they want

1283
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: to get paid. And they'd be like, you know what,

1284
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: I could stay another year and be a second round pick,

1285
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: but I'll just go to the draft and be a

1286
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: fifth round pick because I'll be getting a paycheck. I'll

1287
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: be on an NFL roster. Those guys aren't coming to

1288
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: the league now. Those guys are staying in and saying no,

1289
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: I'll wait a year and be a second round pick.

1290
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: So you see it at the top where the top

1291
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 1: underclassmen are staying Shular Sanders, quinn Ewers, and you see

1292
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: it at the bottom where the guys who are fringe

1293
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: draftable they're not as worried about I got to get

1294
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: to the league. I gotta get my paycheck. It's I'll

1295
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: keep catching this nil money and I'll see if I

1296
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: can boost my draft stock. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see.

1297
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: I think a lot of teams, you know, the Patriots,

1298
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: they're changing everything they're doing draft wise. But Dave notoriously

1299
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: had a very very small board, and I bet you

1300
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: that some of the guys that they are going to

1301
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: take in the six or seventh round this year are

1302
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 2: gonna have UDFA grades on their board. Oh yeah, because.

1303
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: They're just not enough players. So this year more than

1304
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: any other. But you know what's interesting about that, teams

1305
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: are now udfas are getting so expensive. You saw this

1306
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: last year. There were teams it's like second round picks

1307
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: in the NBA, right, giving up like a decent amount

1308
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: to just accumulate. Like teams would move down from the

1309
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: fifth for multiple sevenths because we have this guy for

1310
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: four years instead of three and the contracts already structured.

1311
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: Whereas you go to the UDFA market, you got a

1312
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: bit against teams for the guy.

1313
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 2: You paid more for the guy, right, if you.

1314
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: Really want them, it actually makes more sense to sacrifice

1315
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: one of your early to midday three picks and just

1316
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: pick up a bunch of sevens and essentially add your

1317
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: UDFA class that way Patriots did it.

1318
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's true, it's but this draft, it's it's

1319
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 2: like a four or five round draft this year, which

1320
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: is why you really have to think about it all. Right,

1321
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 2: tackle day three.

1322
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: Wait, I give you one more name because somebody put

1323
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: it in the chat and it's actually really good. When

1324
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: I forgot about because I just sort of started researching

1325
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: this guy, Josiah Ezerim from Eastern Kentucky. I don't know

1326
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: if you've seen him at all.

1327
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 2: I haven't watched him, but I know the name, so.

1328
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: He's this is you know how I like my positional

1329
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: change players, right, yeah, And I'm trying to just pull

1330
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: up his size here. Former defensive linemen transitioned to tackle

1331
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: last year, so he has two years at it. Six '

1332
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: six three point thirty thirty six inch arms. Maler freaking

1333
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: Maler plays with a ton of strength. That's kind of

1334
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: all he is right now. Yeah, But this is that

1335
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: thing again where if you're late on Day three, he's

1336
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: already come far enough as a tackle in two years

1337
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: that he's at least on NFL team's radars, even if

1338
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: he's not gonna have a draft ball grade by everybody.

1339
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: But get him, get him in the room to see

1340
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: what happens. Get him in the building and see what happens.

1341
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 2: So I'm still gonna stand for Christian Jones. So it's

1342
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: an early day three guy, right, I'm not talking deep,

1343
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 2: but I still think Christian Jones is similar in my

1344
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: mind to your Patrick Paul thing where big guy can

1345
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: definitely step in right away and probably run block. That's

1346
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 2: maybe the only difference between him and Paul is that

1347
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: he's actually been at run bocker than pass boker. With Paul,

1348
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: it's the other way around. I think that Christian Jones

1349
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: just has a lot of the physical traits checked and

1350
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 2: some of the things that he needs work on is

1351
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 2: just coaching and seasoning and things like that. You know,

1352
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: he's got the play strength, he's got the size, he's

1353
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: got the movement. Skilled in pass protection. He's certainly nasty

1354
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 2: and can run block pretty well. He's just got raw

1355
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 2: hand technique. You know, he's not very good at balanced

1356
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: and footwork and things like that. But those things can

1357
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: all I think be fixed. You know, there's a little

1358
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 2: bit too much whiff on his tape right now where

1359
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: he just flat out will miss the block, just especially

1360
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 2: in the run game, like I'll fire out of his

1361
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: stance and just completely whiff, you know. And like those

1362
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 2: things are concerning in terms of him being like a

1363
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 2: regular starter down the road. But OT three swing tackle

1364
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 2: maybe starter can play both sides. Like I just still

1365
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: think that Chris Jones has enough of that foundational offensive

1366
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 2: line stuff, you know, just nasty, physical size, like those

1367
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: are the things that you need just to be able

1368
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: to make it on a roster in the league at

1369
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 2: that position, and I think Christian Jones checks those boxes

1370
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 2: really quickly.

1371
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: Before we move on.

1372
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: I finally got some Yale tape finally, and I watched

1373
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: Kieran who I'm not going to try to pronounce his

1374
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: last name.

1375
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: I think it's a Metagi, a Metagi.

1376
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 2: Let's go with that. Kieran a Medigi from Yale. Kieran

1377
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 2: Emetigi from Yale is exactly what you want to see

1378
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 2: in that level of prospect where there are I could

1379
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: show you reps on the tape where he is just

1380
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 2: manhandling dudes like he is just a man amongst boys,

1381
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 2: and he's got extreme power, extreme size. I think he's

1382
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 2: got thirty six inch arms. You know, he's just a big,

1383
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: big muscular dude. And he you don't need to be

1384
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 2: looking on the film of which guy am I supposed

1385
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 2: to be watching because he's so much bigger than everybody

1386
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: else on the Yale offensive line that it's obvious he's

1387
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 2: got a ton of power in his game. But two

1388
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: things that worried me a little bit. One, they were

1389
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 2: an RPO offense at Yale. They heart they did in

1390
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 2: terms of traditional passets like NFL style dropbacks in pass protection,

1391
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 2: there was maybe half a dozen a game of those,

1392
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: So that makes it difficult, you know, to project if

1393
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 2: he's gonna be able to fit into that offense. But

1394
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: if you're like Baltimore and all you need your tackles

1395
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: to do is just mall people in the run game

1396
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: and play action and that sort of thing, then those

1397
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: teams I think would eat up a guy like here

1398
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 2: in a METGI because he's just so strong at the

1399
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: point of attack. It's not that I don't know if

1400
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 2: he can pass protect. I think he's got good enough

1401
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 2: feat to do it. It's more that he did it

1402
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 2: on such a small sample size that it's a little

1403
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: bit of an unknown.

1404
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: Right, You're willing to take the risk of the investment, Yeah,

1405
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: makes sense?

1406
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 2: All right? Tight ends yep. So day one is kind

1407
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 2: of stupid. It's just Brock Bowers.

1408
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I don't where are you at with

1409
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: Brock Dowers. I am a tremendous player. Yeah, they don't

1410
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: get me wrong. He's I do think some of the

1411
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski. He's not Gronk, He's George Kittle's not a

1412
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: big guy, right, he's George Kittle, although he's not as

1413
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: good as a blocker's Kittle.

1414
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 2: I think he's a better blocker than he gets credit for.

1415
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: He's a better blocker and he gets credit for. But

1416
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: he's not no. But he He's not.

1417
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: Not on Kittle's level yet, but I think he could

1418
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:16,919
Speaker 2: get there.

1419
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: What I think people misunderstand about brock Bowers is brock

1420
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: Bauers is not this like because we've gone through these

1421
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: tight ends of what was the kid's name last year?

1422
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: From Notre Dame? Why my blanking on it?

1423
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 2: From Mike Maher.

1424
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: You had Michael Mayer, you had Kyle Pitts, you had

1425
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: these big like six foot five, six foot six, two

1426
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pounds, and somebody just thinks, like, oh,

1427
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: elite tight end prospect, Like it's that, it's the baby

1428
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: Gronk thing Travis Kelcey. Brock Bawers is sort of just

1429
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: a really big I don't want to say he's a

1430
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: really big slot receiver because he can play in line,

1431
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: he can play with his hand on the dirt. But

1432
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: he's sixty three two forty three. He's a finesse runner.

1433
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: He's not a power. He's not out here and there's

1434
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of it on his tape. But he's

1435
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: not really like stiff arming guys, trucking guys caring.

1436
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: No, he's eluding guys.

1437
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: Right, He's running around guys. I think that's really and

1438
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: that's not a knock because he does it at a

1439
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: very high level and to be as agile as he

1440
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: is at six three, two hundred and forty pounds, he's

1441
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: incredibly impressive. Yeah, but it's let's let's talk about the

1442
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: player he is and not the player that people want

1443
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: him to be. Right.

1444
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 2: That's why I I think George Kittle' is probably a

1445
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 2: little bit bigger if I'm not mistaken, But I look

1446
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 2: at him as more like George Kittle because with Kittle

1447
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 2: as a receiver, it's the speed at that at that position.

1448
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 2: That's the thing that stands out. With brock Bowers is

1449
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: like watching that guy run run a seam. He runs

1450
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 2: a seam like he's like wide receiver running.

1451
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: His speed and the short area quickness he will at

1452
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty pounds, he will stop on a

1453
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: diamond cut and it's it's really impressive. So I just

1454
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: when I see oh baby gronk, Oh baby, grunk Like, no,

1455
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: not really, No, he's not that kind of player, much.

1456
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 2: More Kelsey than he is Gronk. If he's anybody, I

1457
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 2: don't even think he's I'm not saying he is, but

1458
01:05:58,600 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, but he's.

1459
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: Not that he's like this big You're not gonna look

1460
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: at him like physically, he doesn't look that impressive physically

1461
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: in terms of she's not like this big guy.

1462
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 2: So if you're on my throwback comparison for him, Shannon Sharp,

1463
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: Shannon was a big guy. But Shannon Sharp was like

1464
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 2: a receiver in a tight end's body like that was

1465
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 2: like Shanon that kind of thing. Shannon Sharp was one

1466
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 2: of the first ones to be like that. The other

1467
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 2: guy that I would give you is like maybe like

1468
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: a Dallas Clark.

1469
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: So Dallas Clark I think is a great comp.

1470
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Dallas Clark who ate in the slot for

1471
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 2: the Indianapolis Colts. Like, don't get it. I know Dallas

1472
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 2: Clark hasn't really looked at as this like Hall of

1473
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 2: Fame other worlds. He's a very good player in the

1474
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 2: slot for the Colts with Peyton.

1475
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,479
Speaker 1: Who's the other guy I'm trying not Algie Crumpler who's

1476
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: the other guy.

1477
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think Alie Crumpler.

1478
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: Algie Crumpler is a big guy. I don't know why

1479
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: he's coming in. It's that same era of tight end

1480
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: like that.

1481
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 2: I I see. I would say Dallas Clark is probably

1482
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 2: the best comp that I've come up with.

1483
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: Doubt Dallas Clark's a really good one. Dallas Clark's actually

1484
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought of that. That's actually a really really

1485
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: good one. Not oh uh, Vernon Davis.

1486
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Vernon Davis, though, was an alien like. Vernon Davis

1487
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 2: was like six six and ran like Vernon Davis that big. Yeah,

1488
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 2: Vernon Davis was an a. No, not Vernon Who is

1489
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: that other tight end? Washington had no Vernon David. Yeah,

1490
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 2: Vernon Davis is six three two forty eight.

1491
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1492
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 2: But look at how fat like his His athleticism was

1493
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 2: off the charts.

1494
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: If I remember he ran a four to three A.

1495
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was just an unbelievable athlete. Yeah, but there's

1496
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 2: a little bit of that Chris Cooley.

1497
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: I mean, he's better than Chris Cooley, but Chris Cooley

1498
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: was that kind of like like he's not Rob Gronkowski's

1499
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: not Tony Gonzalez. He's not that kind of player, but

1500
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: he's still a really really good type. That all being said,

1501
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: as it comes to Patriots and brock Powers, it's not

1502
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: the pick. I mean, is Romadoonday still on the board

1503
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: I'll take right?

1504
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 2: Is the quarterbacks, alt and the three receivers are all

1505
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: coming off my board before brock Bowers? Right?

1506
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: And if you're trading down that like in, it's okay.

1507
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: Now you're at eleven with brock Bowers is probably gone.

1508
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: I just I don't see how the numbers work out.

1509
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 2: No, he's on the board because of how good he is,

1510
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 2: but he's not on the board. You know, there's so

1511
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 2: many other guys. There's just right.

1512
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: There's just sometimes that we did this a bunch last

1513
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: year with a bunch of guys. Somebody said Jeremy Shockey

1514
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: in the chat. Shocky was much more physical. I remember him.

1515
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: He was he he he had to play, he played

1516
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: the game. I think as a receiver.

1517
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 2: The only thing that I have necessarily seen in terms

1518
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: of the straight line speed at the tight end position

1519
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: is Dallas Clark.

1520
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: Dallas Clark. I really like the Dallas Clark.

1521
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 2: I try not to go too far back with the

1522
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 2: comps because I know a lot of people that listen

1523
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 2: and read us and stuff are a little bit younger

1524
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: like us. So it's like Dallas Clark was the beginning

1525
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 2: of my football memory in terms of like actually really

1526
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 2: remembering guys. Uh So, yeah, Dallas Clark is a good one.

1527
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 2: All right.

1528
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: Who's your day two to ten? I think there's really

1529
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: only one. It'shutavian Sanders. I know some people like Kate Stover,

1530
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: and I like John It was another alien athlete. Yeah,

1531
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: I I for what the Patriots are probably gonna want

1532
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: to do with Alex van Pelt. I mean, Zerlin has

1533
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: j David Sanders comp as uh, David Joku.

1534
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 2: So I don't think he's He's not as as athletic

1535
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 2: as David is.

1536
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: He's pretty, but how many guys really like he's very

1537
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: athletic as a tight end Sanders is?

1538
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 2: That's the only problem that I think he plays like

1539
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 2: David and Jokube I had to give a comparison in

1540
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 2: terms of his play style and how he would be

1541
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 2: used and all that kind of stuff. I definitely see that,

1542
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 2: But David and Joku was a specimen.

1543
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: So day two David Joku, we're talking about day two players.

1544
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's not bad.

1545
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: I just I just think that cond of athleticism, the

1546
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: ability to create after the catch, Yeah, he makes a

1547
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: ton of sense for it. You could talk to me

1548
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: in a Kate Stover now later, not with the same

1549
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: pick later, because Kate Stover is more the traditional hand

1550
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: in the dirt. I mean, he was a defensive end

1551
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: for most of his career until he switched traditional hand

1552
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: in the dirt. He's in a block, He's gonna make

1553
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: physical catches over the middle. He's not gonna give you

1554
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: a ton after the catch. If that's the guy you want.

1555
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: I think he's actually like him a little better than

1556
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: Johnson because I think he's just a better blocker.

1557
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 2: And he's he's a little bit there's more. With Johnson,

1558
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 2: you're literally projecting him because of the combine saying that

1559
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 2: this guy is sixty six, two hundred and fifty five

1560
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 2: pounds and runs well and like he's had it one

1561
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 2: of the best, if not the best ras is of

1562
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: all time. Yeah, at the at the tight end position.

1563
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 2: But he has zero college production.

1564
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: Right, So if if they didn't sign Hunter Henry, I'd

1565
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: be more in a Kate Stover. Yeah, Like if they

1566
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: didn't let me rephrase it. If they didn't re signed

1567
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry to do a three year deal like Kate

1568
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: Stover's more all right, And and THEO Johnson might be

1569
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: this too. We're gonna draft him. He's gonna play a

1570
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: little bit as a rookie, and then you know, we're

1571
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: gonna work on it being our starting tight end down

1572
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: the road. If you want a guy that that is

1573
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: gonna make an impact with Hunter Henry, which if you're

1574
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: picking the guy in the top one hundred, that should

1575
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: be the plan. We're gonna run twelve. We're gonna use

1576
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: both of these guys. It's Jatavian Sanders. It's just tough.

1577
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: It's a tough sell for me to have Hunter Henry

1578
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: and Kate Stover on the field together a significant amount

1579
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: of the time.

1580
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 2: That's why I went with THEO Johnson for this, because

1581
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 2: they have Hunter Henry, they have Austin Hooper. I'm looking

1582
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,520
Speaker 2: for upside. I'm looking for a tight end three developmental

1583
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 2: guy that has a lot of upside, that has a

1584
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 2: lot of athleticism and untapped potential. I feel like Kate

1585
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 2: Stover is this is who he is, and you're getting

1586
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 2: sort of a safe pick there, Like I think Cad

1587
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 2: Stover is a tight end two in the league, and

1588
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: he will be for a little while, right. I just

1589
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 2: like the idea of.

1590
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: Having a tight end two that's a little different than

1591
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: your tight end one and can do some different things people.

1592
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is about going back to

1593
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: brock Bauers or talking about Jatavian Sanders kind of fits

1594
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: for both juiced up John hus Smith, So John.

1595
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 2: New Smith is bigger than both of them, though I

1596
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 2: almost use John Hus Smith as a comf for Jatavian Sanders.

1597
01:11:56,360 --> 01:12:00,040
Speaker 1: I Jatavian Sanders is much more athletic, but it's the

1598
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: same kind of build.

1599
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So well John six three two fifty and

1600
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 2: Jatavian Sanders is what six two two forty like something.

1601
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: He's smaller, That's that's the one thing.

1602
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: Well, he's the same size, so Smith the same size

1603
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: as Bowers. Yeah, Jatavian Sanders is six four to two forty.

1604
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't realize he was that tall, Alrightually.

1605
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: That's that's hang on, that's not as combine.

1606
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 2: Let me say, I thought he was like six two.

1607
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: I think he's six three. I mean splitting hairs here.

1608
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, anyways, I I like THEO Johnson's flashes. I

1609
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 2: think the one thing that really stood out is that

1610
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 2: six four no six fourth combine six four two forty five.

1611
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 2: All right, all right, well there you go, all right,

1612
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 2: maybe john Yeah, I could see Johnny Smith too, like

1613
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 2: I think he's a little bit more coordinated than Johnny

1614
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 2: Smith is.

1615
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1616
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 2: Uh, anyways, the one thing that scared me about Jatavian

1617
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 2: Sanders just watching his film is that a lot of

1618
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 2: his take, a lot of his catches on film, there's

1619
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 2: so much space because of those two receivers, right like

1620
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: Amy Mitchell and Zavian Worthy are just taking the covered

1621
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 2: coverage downfield, and he's just running into these giant pockets

1622
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 2: of space, like the big catch he had against Alabama.

1623
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 2: There's just nobody around him. And it's not that I

1624
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 2: don't think that he can separate or could separate against

1625
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 2: man coverage or tighter zone or whatever, but there's just

1626
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 2: a lot of the catches. I was kind of underwhelmed

1627
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:15,719
Speaker 2: and was like, oh, this is just a lot of space.

1628
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 2: You'd reminded me of a little bit, was J Howard,

1629
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 2: IRV Smith and at.

1630
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 1: Any Alabama tight end was just always because I remember.

1631
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 2: Loving IRV Smith, and then I think the reason why

1632
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 2: it didn't work out as much in the league is

1633
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 2: that he became a guy that couldn't separate against good cover.

1634
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 2: Well do you remember O. J.

1635
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: Howard in the National Championship against Clemson was wide open twice.

1636
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: Clems just didn't they didn't cover him. Yeah, I guess

1637
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 1: for me was Sanders because I don't disagree with that.

1638
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: He was definitely helped by having Mitchell and Worthy there.

1639
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 1: But I if I'm the Patriots, at least I wouldn't

1640
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: use Sanders the way Texas did. I would use him

1641
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,839
Speaker 1: as more of an h back. Get him like scheme

1642
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: ways to get him the ball in space. I want

1643
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: him creating after the catch. I'm not sending him vertically

1644
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: a ton at least like maybe you set that up

1645
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 1: off some of the other stuff you do. But his

1646
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 1: core concepts for me are gonna be drags. They're gonna

1647
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,480
Speaker 1: be slants, screens, maybe have him coming out of the backfield.

1648
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 2: Till Gerald Everdy. That's the other compan.

1649
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,919
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna use I'm not gonna send him vertically

1650
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,719
Speaker 1: like Texas did, so that maybe that's why I'm higher

1651
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: on him than most because I see a different role.

1652
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 2: You know, I think you can ruin the same and

1653
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 2: I think you can run leak right Like if you're

1654
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 2: gonna run him on those like you know, hidden routes

1655
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 2: and stuff like that and sneak him out like at

1656
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 2: what they did on some of those plays, then I

1657
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 2: think you can do that. You know, deep over where

1658
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 2: he's really number three in the progression and you got

1659
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 2: the post going the other way, and you know, then

1660
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 2: he comes back and he's wide open like those types

1661
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 2: of things. I just don't know if Jatavian Sanders is

1662
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 2: gonna go out there and break down and really get open.

1663
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: You know. I don't think he's never gonna be your

1664
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: like top pass catching option. But it's also why he's

1665
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: not a first round pick. Yeah, but as a as

1666
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 1: a as a complimentary option, I think you get really

1667
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 1: creative with him, and he is an explosive player. You

1668
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: talk about weaponizing the offense, he is the guy that

1669
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: qualifies to me as a potential offensive weapon.

1670
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I wrote down THEO Johnson because I think

1671
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 2: with THEO Johnson, the untapped potential is definitely there. You

1672
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 2: see it in flashes. You see the catch radius and

1673
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 2: the size and the speed down the field. And I

1674
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 2: actually think that even though he's not very consistent as

1675
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 2: a blocker right now, he's going to be a good blocker.

1676
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 2: He's just he'll get there. Yeah, he's just too athletic

1677
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 2: and too big. There's one repit of him against Ohio

1678
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 2: State where he gets into a pass set and and

1679
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 2: blocks a defensive end like he's in an offensive tackle

1680
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 2: like Bronx style, you know, those types of blocks. I

1681
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 2: think he could be a really really good blocker. And

1682
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 2: then he'll run the seam and he'll stretch the field

1683
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 2: in the middle and things like that. He's not going

1684
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 2: to be a dynamic separator. He's not. He's a little

1685
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 2: bit segmented at the top of the route, so he's

1686
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 2: not going to be able to get open and on

1687
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 2: like a horizontal plane. But if you want him to

1688
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 2: run a crosser off play action, you want him to

1689
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 2: run up the seam and you want him to block.

1690
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 2: I think that Theo Johnson could do that. And then

1691
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 2: you let him develop behind Austin Hooper and Hunter Henry,

1692
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 2: and you give him a couple of years to catch

1693
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 2: up on some of the technique things and the nuances

1694
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 2: of the game. It's too bad the Penn State just

1695
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 2: didn't use him in the passing game because I would

1696
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:03,759
Speaker 2: have loved to have seen.

1697
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: Because it's Penn State. That's usually their thing. It's tight

1698
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: end ye yeah, and.

1699
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 2: I thought at the Senior Bowl too. He made some

1700
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 2: catches and team drills at the Senior Bowl where you

1701
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 2: saw that. So Theo Johnson is my Day two guy,

1702
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 2: who's Day three.

1703
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: So first I know we do, but I have to

1704
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: this tight end class getting too much disrespect.

1705
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 2: It sucks. No, Okay, there's something bad. There's some it's

1706
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 2: just coming off of last year. It's just such a

1707
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 2: fall from grace from last year.

1708
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: There are some guys and this is like hit or

1709
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: miss potential. But I think there's like textbook Day three picks. Hey,

1710
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 1: there's one or two things here we can latch onto

1711
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: that make this player an interesting player kind of guys

1712
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: Ben Sinnett, Eric all Jaheim Bell, Dalen Hulker, Brevin span Ford,

1713
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: Isaac Rex like, there are some guys with intriguing traits.

1714
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: He didn't even mention my guy. So I'm glad your guy,

1715
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: I'm sure is going to be Jared Wiley, who is yeah,

1716
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: well okay, So here's the thing. Yeah, I said all

1717
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 1: this about all these guys with the potential. That's actually

1718
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: not where I'm going. I'm going with the guy that

1719
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: is going to tributing twenty twenty four has a role

1720
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: plug and play him. And that's Tip Rank. I knew

1721
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: you were going because you have a couple of pass

1722
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 1: catching tight ends. Just get a third tight end. You

1723
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 1: could throw it on the goal line. He's gonna maul people.

1724
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 2: Two hundred and sixty five pounds.

1725
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: I think it's more than that, isn't it.

1726
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 2: You're ate it in a combat. I just did all

1727
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 2: these guys yesterday to sixty.

1728
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: Five and he's sixty six sixty seven.

1729
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, he ran well too and he so that's

1730
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 2: the thing. So you think at sixty five for he is.

1731
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: Sixty five, No, he's two seventy one. Sixty five seventy one.

1732
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 2: Maybe he played at two sixty five is maybe? Yeah,

1733
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 2: he ran a four to sixty four. That's crazy. So

1734
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 2: this is a guy that is a plus blocker.

1735
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna come in, he's gonna hold that edge down

1736
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,879
Speaker 1: and they don't have neither their tight ends are great blockers.

1737
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: So that gives you something you don't have there. It's

1738
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: not a massive role, but we're talking fifth, sixth round.

1739
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: It is a role on the team in twenty twenty four,

1740
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: and just based off the athletic testing, he's not gonna

1741
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: be a liability as a pass He's not. Nobody's gonna

1742
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: mistake him for Rob Gronkowski, nobodys gets a mistaken for

1743
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,879
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey. But if he's the fifth guy in the pattern,

1744
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 1: you do have to put somebody on him because he's

1745
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: nimble enough to catch the ball, turn up field and

1746
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: pick up a couple of yards on my camp is

1747
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 1: uh uh? Dwayne Allen lake career, Dwayne Allen, late career

1748
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 1: Dwayne Well, so Patriots Dwayne. But here's the thing about

1749
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,879
Speaker 1: the way Dwayne Allen was a good receiver. The Patriots

1750
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,520
Speaker 1: just never threw him the ball. Well, they had no interest.

1751
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 2: At that point of his career though he had lost

1752
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 2: some of the juice, and again he wasn't But like

1753
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 2: Colts Dwayn, Allen was a decent receiver.

1754
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: Okay, so, but but roll comp exactly. Just you're gonna

1755
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: win third and one, you want to put an extra

1756
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: tackle out there, you put him on there. Now, essentially

1757
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: have two tackles on both sides of the line. Uh. Yeah,

1758
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Tim Raymond. I I know

1759
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: he said birds aren't real. That's hilarious. Big guy that

1760
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: can block. Yeah, yeah, I I almost he's saying. He

1761
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: is a textbook third tight end. Yeah, and people third

1762
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: tight end who cares. Yeah, when you're picking at one eighty,

1763
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: you get a guy that's gonna be your third tight end,

1764
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: your goal line tight end for four years. Great. Based

1765
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: on the drafts they've had recently, if their fifth round

1766
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: pick is a tight end who stays for four years

1767
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: and makes some sort of impact, I think we'd all

1768
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: be very happy.

1769
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest thing with him is that situationally,

1770
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 2: he can be so valuable third and short, fourth and

1771
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 2: short goal line and those types of situations close out,

1772
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 2: Like if you have a lead late and you're just

1773
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 2: gonna run the ball.

1774
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 1: He can be really valuable.

1775
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 2: Situationally, He's not You have two guys that can catch

1776
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: the ball a little bit, and Henry and Hoover. So

1777
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 2: you have those two guys already, this is the guy

1778
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 2: when it's first and goal from the one yard line.

1779
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 2: He's essentially a sixth offensive lineman out there, and you

1780
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 2: have a guy that can blow people at the point

1781
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 2: of it time.

1782
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: And I think just watching him block on the move

1783
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 1: in college and he can do that, right, he can pull.

1784
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 2: That's where his athleticism comes in. He's not gonna He's

1785
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 2: athleticism doesn't show up as a receiver. It shows up

1786
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 2: with his versatility as a block.

1787
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: Well. I wonder too, if you could use him as fullback.

1788
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean he's big, he's really big to line up

1789
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 1: in the backfield. But I mean not as a full

1790
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: time fullback, but in that like Richard Seymour role.

1791
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I did put Dad Jared Wiley. Yeah.

1792
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: I mean he's just like he's he's fine. He's a

1793
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: solid third tight end, that's what he is. And he's

1794
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 1: fast though for four to six yeah, two four six

1795
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: four something like that. Low four to six is a

1796
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:10,759
Speaker 1: good speed.

1797
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,560
Speaker 2: Good. You can see the acceleration, like good instant acceleration

1798
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage to get in the seam,

1799
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 2: get a crossing route, things like that. Not not very

1800
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 2: nimble after the catch. It's not somebody that's gonna pick

1801
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 2: up a ton of yards by making people miss after

1802
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 2: the catch. But he can run through a defense. He

1803
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 2: had that touchdown against Baylor, Like, yeah, he was really

1804
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 2: good against Colorado, So yeah, Faraoh Brown style against the Jets,

1805
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 2: where like the sea's just you know, there was just

1806
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 2: nobody there and he just kind of ran right through

1807
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,560
Speaker 2: the defense. Got good speed, a good perimeter blocker. Not

1808
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 2: the hand of the dirt guy, you know, doesn't have

1809
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 2: a lot of stand in his pants to be able

1810
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 2: to do that sort of thing. But I think as

1811
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 2: a receiving tight end, you know, flex move tight end,

1812
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, I think that Jared

1813
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,759
Speaker 2: Wiley's got receiving skill and he's got good.

1814
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: Hands, kind of just like a you'd have a Hunter

1815
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: Henry store brand hunter Henry just on the back of

1816
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 1: the roster.

1817
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, good good game against Colorado, good game against Baylor,

1818
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,560
Speaker 2: a decent game against West Virginia, which is when I

1819
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 2: saw him. You know, I just think that he's he's

1820
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 2: got some receiving skill. Not a great bocker.

1821
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: Sorry, this one more guy I want to bring up

1822
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: because it'd be a very Belichick pick.

1823
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 2: Only terrible tight end class. Eric All interesting, interesting player,

1824
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 2: but well, so how he's heard how much did you well,

1825
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 2: how much. Did you get into his background A decent amount,

1826
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,799
Speaker 2: but I had trouble his finding film of him actually

1827
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:27,719
Speaker 2: playing because it's Iowa.

1828
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was at Michigan in twenty one and

1829
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 1: had a really good year at Michigan at twenty one.

1830
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might actually have to go back to that mission. Well,

1831
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 2: but this is the point.

1832
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 1: Everybody was supposed to be a top one hundred picky.

1833
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 1: He was supposed to be like locked in top one

1834
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 1: hundred pick and then he hurt his back in twenty

1835
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 1: two and the transferred to Iowa and Iowa's offense being

1836
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: Iowa's offense, he really wasn't able to produce a ton

1837
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 1: this year. This is the kind of guy that Belichick.

1838
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,560
Speaker 1: If you believe in the twenty one tape, he's like,

1839
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 1: he's not a block, he's a pure receiver. But if

1840
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: you believe in the twenty one tape, some team is

1841
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: going to see him on day there's an incredible value pick.

1842
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: And I'll just say the history of tight ends that

1843
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: fall because the back injuries here is not bad. That's true.

1844
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: So the history of Iowa tight ends is not bad,

1845
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 1: and the history of well, he's well, Michigan tight ends

1846
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: two are pretty good. So if you really want to

1847
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: take a high end flyer on a Day three tight end,

1848
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: Eric all is such a Belichick pick. He is such

1849
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: a Bill Belichick pick. Will he be an la Wolf pick?

1850
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I really liked him at Michigan

1851
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: in twenty one Personally, I was a big fan of

1852
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 1: his that year, and then obviously he kind of fell

1853
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: off the map. But I you know, he's in the

1854
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 1: draft now, so I'm still like, all right, I know

1855
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: he didn't have two great years, but there's worse guys.

1856
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: You could take a flyer on.

1857
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 2: Okay, but stop stop trying to sell the people on

1858
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 2: this tight end class.

1859
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: It's not a good interesting, it's not good, but it's interesting.

1860
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: There's some players that have some trade, like Dalen Holker.

1861
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 1: I think is he's kind of like that that Day

1862
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 1: three well, I guess Jaheen Bell's early Day three Jatavian Sanders,

1863
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: Dalen Holker's late Day three Jatavian Sanders. Brevin span Ford

1864
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: is built like Tip Raymond, but he's a pure receiving

1865
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: tight end. That interesting to me. Jeem Bell, I don't

1866
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 1: nobody knows what position he plays. He's almost like deboish

1867
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:06,799
Speaker 1: in terms of his usage.

1868
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Ben Sinnett. Everybody Jeem Bell is one of

1869
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: those guys that in theory is feels like an interesting

1870
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 2: player because he's so versatile, but then he actually watch

1871
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 2: his tape and you're like, what is he actually good at? Though?

1872
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 2: Like what is he going to hang his head?

1873
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: It'll come down to development plan and that's why he's

1874
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 1: supposed to go where he'll go. But if somebody figures

1875
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: it out, he can do it. And then Benson, everybody's

1876
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: gonna compare Ben Sinnate to Sam Laporta.

1877
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,560
Speaker 2: He's nothing. I know he's not, but everybody's going to

1878
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 2: it's annoying. He's nothing like Sam Laporta. I can't come

1879
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 2: up with a great comfort Ben Senate yet I haven't

1880
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 2: come up with a great one because he's not Sam Laporta.

1881
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 2: He's not Sam Laporta. At Iowa was lightning quick at

1882
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 2: the top of the route, and he's lightning quick at

1883
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 2: the top of the route with the lines. That's why

1884
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 2: I liked him so much is because he's separated. He

1885
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 2: was a really really good separator. He was a slot

1886
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 2: He's a slot receiver type of separation guy. In a

1887
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 2: tight ends frame that sin it is a straight line

1888
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 2: speed guy. He's a linear athlete. Yeah, he's an h

1889
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 2: back linear Uh you know, seams, crossers, that type of thing.

1890
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 2: Good ball skills, good good like thick frame.

1891
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1892
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 2: Sam Laporta is like a slim down athlete, Like he's

1893
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 2: not nothing alike. I can't come up with a good

1894
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 2: one for Benson.

1895
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,879
Speaker 1: Also, best best tight end name in the draft is McCallan,

1896
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: Castle's out of Tennessee.

1897
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 2: This tight end class reminds me a lot of twenty

1898
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 2: twenty Trent Pennix with Brock Bowers on top. You know,

1899
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 2: like it's like, yeah, if you had Adam Trautman and

1900
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 2: Devin Ossi Ossi and all those guys from the twenty

1901
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 2: twenty draft, but you just had this like all world

1902
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 2: you know, once in a and every five years tight

1903
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 2: end prospect and Brock Powers Like that's that's pretty much

1904
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 2: what it is. Running backs, Your favorite, my least favorite?

1905
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 1: How do you see? Did you actually watch him? Who?

1906
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: Blake krum I assume we're talking about Okay, well, first

1907
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 1: said my favorite, your least no, that position just in general? Oh,

1908
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: I thought you said Blake korm is the least say

1909
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 1: of running with no no, no, no, okay, out of

1910
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: just off the top. Yeah, we do not need to

1911
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: talk about anybody on day one. There is no day

1912
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 1: one running yet. No, it's not even like the Evans

1913
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 1: being not there. Just isn't that guy.

1914
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 2: There is no first round running back in this class.

1915
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm not even a second roun running.

1916
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 2: So we're going right to day two. This running back class.

1917
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 2: I think on day two, you know, I don't. It's

1918
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 2: not my position, it's not my thing. But on day

1919
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 2: two I think that third, fourth round there's gonna be

1920
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 2: a run at running backs at some point. I think

1921
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 2: all these guys can bring something to the table and

1922
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 2: actually are gonna be useful backs in the committee. Look

1923
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 2: at you, They're not gonna be take There's not gonna

1924
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 2: be Saquon Barkley. There's not gonna be Christian McCaffrey. But

1925
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 2: is there a one beat or Remandra Stevenson in this

1926
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 2: draft possible?

1927
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 1: Or is there a guy you can develop to take

1928
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: over ramondra Stevenson? I think so too.

1929
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 2: Sure, So you got I still think Blake Korm's best

1930
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 2: back in this draft. I'm sticking to it.

1931
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: Maybe if Jonathan Brookston tearor his ACL I don't love

1932
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 1: the idea of drafting a guy off of that, but

1933
01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 1: especially at that position. I know he ran behind that

1934
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 1: Michigan offensive line. I know he got a ton of help,

1935
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: but I look at what he does catching the ball.

1936
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: I look at what he does once he gets pass

1937
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 1: the line, when he gets into the open field, and

1938
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 1: how he makes defenders really have to think one on one.

1939
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 2: Very shifty guy.

1940
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: I like the way he bounced back from his injury

1941
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: last year, like he went through a lot last year

1942
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: when he should have gone to the draft, and all

1943
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 1: of that. I just love the mental makeup. Yeah, I

1944
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 1: Jalen Rights made it close for me, closely than I

1945
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: thought it would get. I like Jalen Right from Tennessee.

1946
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: But to me still, Blake Korm's the best running back

1947
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 1: in the draft.

1948
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so my my again, late day two guy, early

1949
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 2: day three guy. Really is what we're talking about here, Mark.

1950
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think Blake Korm goes Day three.

1951
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 1: I think he's like lot in Day two.

1952
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Marshawn Lloyd USC Okay, really good player.

1953
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 1: Loved him at the Senior Bowl.

1954
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 2: He has a little bit he's not as like he's

1955
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 2: not beastmode right, Like he's not as powerful. But the

1956
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 2: way that he you know, laterally cuts at his size

1957
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 2: and has sort of that that slalom miss to him

1958
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 2: is a little bit like Marshawn lynch Uh. The one

1959
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 2: other thing that I would say that I really like

1960
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 2: about him is how he runs vertical routes out of

1961
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 2: the backfields, like you can run him up the scene.

1962
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 2: He can run a wheel route like, he can run

1963
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 2: that way and be a good pass catcher for a

1964
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: really really good pass catcher for running back honestly, not

1965
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 2: remondre Stevenson not a terrible cop for for marsha On Lloyd.

1966
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 1: He's not that big, is he.

1967
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's quite as big, but he's

1968
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 2: a stocky guy. He's a he's a squatty squatty player,

1969
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:26,759
Speaker 2: as they say at their running back position.

1970
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:28,679
Speaker 1: I mean it's not yeah, it's not bad.

1971
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 2: I I I think I think smooth lateral cuts, yeah,

1972
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 2: some power, some pass catching the ability, yeah, vermondre Stevenson

1973
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 2: two point zero. All right, That's what I'm going with.

1974
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give you that.

1975
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 2: Plus you know he's a trojan, so yeah, fight on,

1976
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 2: fight on. Yeah, no fair.

1977
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, the top tier for me,

1978
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: and it's a pretty expansive tier. And I think all

1979
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 1: these guys go somewhere between like sixteen one hundred. Yeah,

1980
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 1: but they're all interchangeable. Is Blake Benson, Jalen Wright, Blake Kren, Braylan,

1981
01:27:56,000 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 1: Allen Marshall Lloyd. I think that's those guys are gon

1982
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 1: be the top group of backs and they could really

1983
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: go in any order. Yeah, So day three, Day three,

1984
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 1: we're just gonna do Day three straight up? What else

1985
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 1: will we do like early day three, late day three

1986
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 1: since he just kid first round?

1987
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, okay, you know I don't go that deep.

1988
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 1: But all right, uh so this is where I get

1989
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: into the the whole thing about the hip drop tackles. Yeah,

1990
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 1: and if they're really good to enforce this ye like

1991
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: Tyrone Tracy, I like, yeah, convert a wide receiver Perdue

1992
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: there at his pro day he has like one hundred

1993
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 1: and ninety pounds.

1994
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, pass, Yeah.

1995
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: I want the guy that potentially could take over for

1996
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 1: Ramondrie Stevenson and just be a pain in the ass

1997
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 1: to tackle. Isaac Grendo from Louisville.

1998
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: The Combine Hero, the guy that tells me the combine's

1999
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 2: overrated is giving the guy that was the best athletic

2000
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 2: tester at the okay.

2001
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: But then I went back and I looked more at

2002
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 1: and he is he's only a one year starter. And

2003
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: even then he wasn't used a ton of Louisville six

2004
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 1: foot two, twenty one, four through three, And you see

2005
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 1: it on tape. Defenders don't like tackling this guy. They

2006
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: just don't. They don't. That's the guy. When I I

2007
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: I that, that to me is at its core what

2008
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,759
Speaker 1: you want in running back. So like the Audrick estimate

2009
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 1: is the Ray Davis is, these guys would fit neck

2010
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 1: although I think Audrick estime is just a bowling ball.

2011
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: But Ray Davis runs hard. Yeah, Isaac Grendo, like those

2012
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 1: are the guys I want. Who who were defenders going

2013
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 1: to like before the game be like, oh, I can't

2014
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 1: believe I have to tackle the sky all day?

2015
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah that's fair, that's fair. And I agree with you

2016
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 2: that because you know, if I had done this exercise

2017
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 2: before they signed Antonio Gibson and before all that. Like

2018
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 2: Dylan Lobby film, I really love Dylan Lobby. I think

2019
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 2: that Dylan Lobby is going to be a really good pro.

2020
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 2: The guy that I would compare Dylan Lobby to is

2021
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:40,640
Speaker 2: not James White. It's more like a Rex Burkhead, you know,

2022
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 2: like still got that ability to run the ball from

2023
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:45,640
Speaker 2: sub package and then also catch the ball out of

2024
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 2: the backfield. More of that sort of skill set, I

2025
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 2: would say, than I.

2026
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,759
Speaker 1: Think he's why am I playing on his name, Austin Eckler.

2027
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: He's like a little bit less Austin Eckler.

2028
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good comp to.

2029
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 1: Uh.

2030
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 2: I also wrote down Bucky Irving because I still believe

2031
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 2: in Bucky Irving. Okay, horrible, horrible combine, Like all.

2032
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 1: The guy insist the combine matters, picks the worst tester

2033
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: all time.

2034
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 2: Bad. But I did some you know research into this,

2035
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 2: and running back combine not really generally does generally doesn't

2036
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:16,800
Speaker 2: matter because it's just how you run, you know, run

2037
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 2: with pads on right, right. So I still believe in

2038
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 2: Bucky Irving. Those would be my two guys that you mentioned,

2039
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,679
Speaker 2: some of the bigger bowling ball type of back Yeah,

2040
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 2: so I really like both those guys. I think Bucky

2041
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 2: Irving too is gonna be value because you're gonna get

2042
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 2: them later now, that he bombed the combine. If you

2043
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 2: could get Bucky Irving in like the fifth or sixth round,

2044
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 2: I think you're getting a really good pick. Yeah.

2045
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 1: I still he's small, he's smart, he's he's a scat back.

2046
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,759
Speaker 2: Like he's not. He's not going to be remonderous.

2047
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: And I'm just I think you're gonna see those guys

2048
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: start to become slot receivers. I think that role is

2049
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: going to start to phase out if they actually enforced

2050
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 1: the hip drop tackle thing. Yeah, it's you know, I

2051
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: like Antonio Gibson. I like the signing, but but he's

2052
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 1: a big guy.

2053
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 2: He's like to right, But those guys is you know,

2054
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,759
Speaker 2: the guys that are going to be really impactful space

2055
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 2: bat whether it's sub package, pass catching whatever. That it

2056
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 2: doesn't make as much sense now that that Gibson's on

2057
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 2: the roster. Yeah, all right, circling it back wide receivers.

2058
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: Wait wait, late round?

2059
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, who's your later round guy?

2060
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 1: Dylan Johnson? Easy, easy, Dylan.

2061
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 2: That just you had that at the tip of your tongue. Yeah, well,

2062
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 2: he's he's a.

2063
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 1: Guy I look at a kind of remandra. He's been

2064
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: the one I've looked at so six foot two seventeen,

2065
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: plays much bigger than that. Again, hard to tackle, keeps

2066
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 1: the legs turning. He closed out a ton of games

2067
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 1: for Washington. He's one of these guys that gets better

2068
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 1: as the game goes on. He puts body, blows on

2069
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: the defense, good with the like, secures the football finishes

2070
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 1: at the goal line. On top of all of that,

2071
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy three catches in his career, betwe

2072
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 1: Mississippi State and watching. He can catch the ball a

2073
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 1: lot better than people give him credit for. And the

2074
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 1: way they used him as a receiver is similar to

2075
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,679
Speaker 1: the way the Browns use their backs as receivers under

2076
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 1: Alex van Pelt. If honestly like overall as much as

2077
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 1: I like Blake and those guys, weighing it all out,

2078
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a running back in this draft

2079
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,680
Speaker 1: I like more for the Patriots than Dylan Johnson. I

2080
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: think Dylan Johns would be a fantastic compliment to what

2081
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: they have right now, And if they don't want to

2082
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 1: bring Ramandra Stevenson back, I think him and Antonio Gibson

2083
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: on their own would be a very good backfield.

2084
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 2: What do you think of, just quickly of Brayln Allen

2085
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 2: from Wisconsin.

2086
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 1: He's Wisconsin running back. That's what he and that's I mean,

2087
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 1: I don't mean that as a bad thing, Like all

2088
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 1: the guys have come through there, James White different, but

2089
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 1: like the Melvin Gordon's right, the Monty Balls and those guys,

2090
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: big physical, he's nasty, holds on the football. He's only

2091
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: twenty one years old. I think he's in that upper tier.

2092
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 1: I think you'd probably need to take him at one

2093
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:40,559
Speaker 1: oh three or maybe even trade up a little bit

2094
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 1: from there. There's just a little rich for running back

2095
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:44,719
Speaker 1: for me, unless they somehow accumulate more picks.

2096
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 2: That's why I didn't necessarily mention him, right, he's like

2097
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 2: in a weird spot for the Patriots, but we should

2098
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 2: mention him. He's a he's a really really good back.

2099
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 2: Like he's gonna he's gonna continue that lineage of Washington

2100
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 2: running backs. I don't doubt of Wisconsin because I prefer

2101
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 2: Lloyd because of the pass catching ability.

2102
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 1: But Braylen Allen is so Braylen all like Jonathan Taylor,

2103
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 1: like he's got. I think he's a little bit less,

2104
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: but like it's that I don't know, I said Monty

2105
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 1: Ball before Jonathan Taylor, but like Melvin Gordon, Jonathan Taylor.

2106
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor is much better than those other guys.

2107
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 1: But it's just but he's the same kind of player.

2108
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 1: They're all the same kind.

2109
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor was those guys but had the speed, the

2110
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 2: breakaway speed.

2111
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 1: That's true. But I mean, I think he could be

2112
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: I think Brandon Allen could be Melvin Gordon.

2113
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 2: I think Melvin Gordon and Monty Ball are decent cons Yeah,

2114
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 2: I think that's very real.

2115
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: Where like he's going to be a solid lead back

2116
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 1: for a good amount of time, but he's going to

2117
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 1: play physically and he's not gonna have like a ten

2118
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:36,639
Speaker 1: twelve year career.

2119
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, all right. Back going back now to

2120
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 2: the receivers, I say back because it's probably more important

2121
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 2: than running backs. But the last I did publish my

2122
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 2: tears today, my final rankings, you know, combines in the

2123
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 2: books pro Day's are are basically wrapped up now. So

2124
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 2: we got all of the data that we could possibly have.

2125
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 2: So I think that it's interesting because I read some

2126
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 2: other people too before I I did this to see

2127
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 2: what other people were saying about these guys. So day one,

2128
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:07,719
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think we need to stand for Harrison

2129
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 2: or Neighbors or a Dune's a any more than everybody else's.

2130
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 2: All three of those guys are studs. Yeah, all three

2131
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 2: of those guys are tier one guys. To me, I

2132
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 2: know some people look at Harrison as generational and have

2133
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 2: him as a tier above. I think all three of

2134
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 2: these dudes are as good as it gets at that position.

2135
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 2: They're just different players.

2136
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: It's what do you want?

2137
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Harrison, I still stick by Devonte Adams. I

2138
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 2: still think that that's the comp. The reason why is

2139
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 2: the inside outside versatility. Like you, you could say aj Green,

2140
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 2: you could say some of these other comps that I hear,

2141
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 2: but those guys were on the boundary all the time. Yeah.

2142
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 2: Adams is the type of guy that has the route

2143
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 2: running ability to run out of the number two spot,

2144
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:49,479
Speaker 2: the number three spot inside and can play slot because

2145
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 2: he's so nimble and so agile for his size. That's

2146
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison to me. Marvin Harrison Junior has some of

2147
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 2: his dad's route running ability, but he's just bigger and

2148
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 2: faster than his dad was. Absolute freak. Neighbors.

2149
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 1: I told you this last week, Odell, I think might

2150
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: be the comp. He's not as good as a catcher

2151
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 1: as Odell is, but that's the thing that's Odell's big guy,

2152
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 1: I know.

2153
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 2: But the way that he moves, in the way that

2154
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 2: he's just explosive in every way of the word. Like

2155
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 2: he can take the slant of the house. Yeah, he

2156
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 2: can run by you to the house. He can do

2157
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 2: He's an eighty yard touchdown. I still go with soup

2158
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 2: Duff Kendrick porn like much better than Kendrick Borne. I said,

2159
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 2: Souper Duff Kendrick Porne. Okay, I think that the other comp.

2160
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 2: I do think that there is there is Jalen Waddle.

2161
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:32,680
Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of Jayleen Waddle to

2162
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 2: his game just because of the speed, maybe a little

2163
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 2: bit more finesse than like a guy like Jamar Chase

2164
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 2: or Odell who had some fisiness and some physicality to

2165
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 2: their game at the catchpoint. Especially so I I originally

2166
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 2: had Jalen Waddle for him. I've got to like somewhere

2167
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 2: between Odell and Jalen Waddle for him. He's a really

2168
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 2: hard player to cop. Yeah, Duneesa, I still think is

2169
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 2: de Hop. I still think that's the best comp for him,

2170
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:58,280
Speaker 2: just because of the hands and the contested catchability. He's

2171
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 2: not one of those guys that pops off the film

2172
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:02,639
Speaker 2: with separation at you. Like, It's not like he's gonna

2173
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 2: create five yards of separation at the top of the route,

2174
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,799
Speaker 2: but he creates just enough that with his catch radius

2175
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 2: and with his hand strength, you're open all the time.

2176
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going with bigger Stefan Diggs. I'm sticking with

2177
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 1: that one. I just eat with with how many different

2178
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 1: ways he can win. I like, you give many assignment

2179
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna handle. He's the most well rounded I think

2180
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:23,679
Speaker 1: of the three.

2181
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 2: So BTJ, I'm proud of this comp yeh slim down

2182
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf, not as not as giant, not as ridiculous

2183
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 2: as DK, but similar, linear down the field athlete, great

2184
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 2: great speed at six ' four like that he almost

2185
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:43,719
Speaker 2: I think gets to DK in height, Like he's about

2186
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 2: as tall as DK is, just not as as thick

2187
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 2: as DK Metcalf. And the guy that I'm gonna I'm

2188
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 2: gonna pound the table for though for a second. Yeah,

2189
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:56,720
Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy, you knew I would love him two years ago.

2190
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 2: You knew that I was gonna like this guy. The

2191
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 2: reason why I want because I've already done it with

2192
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 2: Adie Mitchell. Everyone knows how I feel about him. I

2193
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 2: want to stress this enough. I can't stress this enough.

2194
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 2: He is not John Ross. He's not John Ross. He's

2195
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 2: not John Ross.

2196
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 1: He's not John And can I add to that, He's

2197
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:14,599
Speaker 1: not Taekwon Thornton. He's not Taekwon Thornton. He's not Taekwon Thornton.

2198
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,839
Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton is in the straft. His name's Troy Franklin.

2199
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 1: But he's not.

2200
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 2: It's not Xavier Worthy. It's he's not Xavier Worthy to me,

2201
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:26,600
Speaker 2: has a lot of Jay Flowers in his game, but

2202
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 2: he also runs a four to two one, so he's

2203
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,760
Speaker 2: just faster j Flowers. He's a little bit taller than

2204
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 2: Jay Flowers.

2205
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:32,640
Speaker 3: Is.

2206
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 2: The comp that I came up with with for Worthy

2207
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 2: is DeShawn Jackson.

2208
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 1: I think that's a good one.

2209
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good one.

2210
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 1: Was Deshaun Jackson that quick though?

2211
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? De Sean Jacks.

2212
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 1: I think Sean Jackson, Yeah, blur, I love Seaun Jackson.

2213
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 2: I think that Xavier Worthy's rout running ability at all

2214
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 2: three levels is He's not a one trick pony by

2215
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 2: any means he's not a combined guy by any means.

2216
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:02,679
Speaker 2: I get it. He's one hundred and sixty five pounds.

2217
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 2: That's a legitimate concern if you want to point to

2218
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 2: a concern. It's not that he's this one trick pony

2219
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 2: combine hero. You know, only ran a four to two

2220
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:12,240
Speaker 2: to one. That's why you're obsessed with him. No, there's

2221
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 2: nothing to do with that. To watch the film, guy

2222
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 2: can run routes, Guy gets over. He was a first

2223
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:19,639
Speaker 2: round pick before the combine. Yeah, runs great, whip routes, great,

2224
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 2: you know, over the middle routes, Like, this guy can

2225
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 2: get open at the top of the route, so much

2226
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:27,600
Speaker 2: better than the John Rowson's and the Taekwon Thorntons of

2227
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 2: the world. He's light and the team that takes him

2228
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 2: is going to have to find ways to keep him

2229
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 2: away from contact. But in today's NFL there's so many

2230
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,719
Speaker 2: ways that teams do that now with motion and stacks

2231
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 2: and bunch alignments and condensed formations in motion. Like, if

2232
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:47,799
Speaker 2: you put this guy in like Tyree Kill's motion package,

2233
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 2: he's gonna be dynamite. I really think that he's gonna

2234
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 2: be a great player.

2235
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 1: So this goes back We had this conversation a couple

2236
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Right, who would rather have a J. Brown

2237
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:58,600
Speaker 1: or Devonte Smith? Yeah, I forget who our X comp was,

2238
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 1: or Tyreek Killer whatever? Right, aighty Mitchell or Za You're Worthy?

2239
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 1: Who'd rather have for the Patriots? Those the two kind

2240
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 1: I want the traditional outside X. You want the JITs.

2241
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 2: So I actually have Adie Mitchell ranked slightly ahead of him,

2242
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 2: but it's like eighty Mitchell's five and Worthy six, and

2243
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:13,599
Speaker 2: they're in the same tier.

2244
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 1: I think they're very close. But no, if for me,

2245
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 1: I would rather the Patriots get Mitchell just because I

2246
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 1: think that kind of player is more beneficial for where

2247
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 1: they're at right now.

2248
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,840
Speaker 2: The interesting thing about Mitchell, so you're gonna hate this

2249
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 2: and kind of love it at the same time because

2250
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 2: it gives you the analytics community hates Mitchell.

2251
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 1: Excellent, fantastic because take them third. Because he's one of

2252
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:35,559
Speaker 1: those guys, Oh this is the breakout age. I talked

2253
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 1: about this yesterday, these guys that took a while to

2254
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 1: break out. He's also one of those guys that didn't

2255
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:44,799
Speaker 1: produce at the level that his pro his athletic profile

2256
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 1: suggests that he should have like he had what eight

2257
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 1: hundred yards and eleven tds, which isn't terrible by any

2258
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination. But it's not like he came

2259
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 1: out and had this, you know, monster, a Dunesday Neighbors

2260
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:57,720
Speaker 1: type type. It's almost like there were other guys. So

2261
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't apply for either of them. Both

2262
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 1: played with good players.

2263
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. I just think that he

2264
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:09,280
Speaker 2: is one of those guys that I can't I can't

2265
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 2: get out of my head how well he runs routes

2266
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 2: for his size. Yeah, he's a really really good route

2267
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 2: runner at six two two o five that that's a

2268
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 2: rare combination that Michael Pittman is still my com for him.

2269
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 2: I think it's a good one where I don't necessarily

2270
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 2: think that he's going to be a twenty yard per

2271
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:27,720
Speaker 2: catch guy. Like I don't think he's going to be

2272
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:30,960
Speaker 2: this down the field burner. He'll win some jump balls

2273
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 2: down the field, but I don't think that he's going

2274
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 2: to do that. I don't think he necessarily plays to

2275
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:36,760
Speaker 2: the four three five all the time or is it

2276
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 2: four three six whatever it was. Yeah, I don't think

2277
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 2: he necessarily plays to that down the field all the time.

2278
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:42,680
Speaker 2: But he I think he's going to be one of

2279
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 2: those guys in the league has a chance to catch

2280
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:46,640
Speaker 2: a hundred passes at the X spot. Yeah, you know so.

2281
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 2: Uh that's the way that I view him. I love

2282
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 2: them all. Uh So, I would just say the Texas

2283
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 2: kids in general, if you want to look for guys

2284
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 2: that really rose up the board for me late in

2285
01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 2: the process, both Texas guys locking in his first round.

2286
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 1: I've said, can the Patriots just draft the Texas offense

2287
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:04,160
Speaker 1: third overall? Just when you get up to third, just

2288
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 1: like Texas offense, Quen yours included, and just say you

2289
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 1: can take the rest of our picks whatever. We're just

2290
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:11,360
Speaker 1: taking Texas and that can come with Sark if you want.

2291
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 1: But just take those Texas. Oh no, now you got

2292
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:15,720
Speaker 1: me all hot and bother, right, but they can take

2293
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 1: Quinn yours. I would take quin yours if it meant

2294
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 1: that I had Sar calling place no offense to a VP.

2295
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 2: But I would draft the Texas offense just as a whole.

2296
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:27,600
Speaker 2: That's I'm not I wouldn't argue with you, all right,

2297
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 2: who's your day one guy? Uh So, it's it's like again,

2298
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 2: I did it.

2299
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:36,760
Speaker 1: We're like trading back in and it's Adie Mitchell. Yeah,

2300
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 1: I want maybe Brian Thomas. I just don't think they're

2301
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: gonna be able to trade up that high. Yeah, I

2302
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 1: think he's gonna go hot. I think he's gonna go

2303
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:44,599
Speaker 1: top twenty Ady Mitchell, I think maybe gets like twenty three,

2304
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:46,639
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty five. You gotta jump the Bills, Yes,

2305
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 1: who are you believe we're twenty eight? Yeah, you got it.

2306
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 2: Now, you really gotta jump in.

2307
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 1: And the Chiefs, who are always a threat to move up.

2308
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 1: I know they're thirty two, but they they like to

2309
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:56,920
Speaker 1: move up. They'll take a receiver, right, I'd like them

2310
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 1: to move up to like twenty four to twenty five,

2311
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:00,160
Speaker 1: twenty six and get Ady Mitchell. I think that be

2312
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 1: the best outcoming receiver.

2313
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:03,400
Speaker 2: Oh so let me ask you this, Yeah, would you

2314
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 2: rather give up a little bit more in the trade. Yeah,

2315
01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 2: let's say you draft Jade and Daniels are three? Yeah,

2316
01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 2: are you giving up that little bit more to get

2317
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 2: his guy in BTJ?

2318
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 1: I think it's more than a little bit more, so Okay, Yeah,

2319
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:18,680
Speaker 1: the Kyle Dugger trade in twenty twenty. So there's two

2320
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:21,880
Speaker 1: trades you look at There's one that the Jags and

2321
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 1: Bucks did last year that was thirty five. It was

2322
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:31,879
Speaker 1: it was basically to move up into the late twenties.

2323
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:35,640
Speaker 1: It was thirty five, a fourth and a six. So

2324
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 1: you only you didn't give up a top one hundred pick.

2325
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 1: You did, but like you got one back, right, Yeah,

2326
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:42,719
Speaker 1: that was to get in the late twenties. The Kyle

2327
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 1: Dugger trade in twenty twenty was twenty three for thirty

2328
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 1: seven and seventy one. You now have to get up higher.

2329
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:53,720
Speaker 2: Even higher to get You're gonna have to give up

2330
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 2: a pick for next year.

2331
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:58,839
Speaker 1: You're you're probably talking about thirty four, a future second

2332
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 1: in one zero three, and now you're giving up a

2333
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 1: lot of draft cap or you'd better be damn sure.

2334
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:07,880
Speaker 2: So at that point, I.

2335
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 1: As much as I say, you know, Playkate the quarterback

2336
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 1: and all that, Adie Mitchell is a really good player. Jay.

2337
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 1: If Jane Daniels can't figure it out with Dady Mitchell,

2338
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 1: the issue isn't Brian Thomas. The issue is Jade and Daniels.

2339
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:20,639
Speaker 2: I agree, all right, Day two.

2340
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 1: Day two, I gotta I gotta admit I've kind of

2341
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:26,719
Speaker 1: warmed up to the idea of Xavier Leget.

2342
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the hip drop thing, like trying to tackle

2343
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 2: him in the open field. But you in terms of

2344
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:35,639
Speaker 2: like going up the rankings, like the highest ranked guy

2345
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:39,559
Speaker 2: that was the biggest riser, Logett was by far my biggest.

2346
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 1: That being said, I'm actually gonna double back to a

2347
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:45,240
Speaker 1: guy we talked about a ton at the beginning of

2348
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 1: this thing and we kind of stopped.

2349
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:49,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Roman Wilson. Oh he's mine, Yeah, I wrote,

2350
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 2: is it?

2351
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 1: I think guy Roman Wilson and the Z in this

2352
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 1: offense would be a ton of fun.

2353
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:55,519
Speaker 2: Brown.

2354
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 1: I just think he's in and you can have him

2355
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:00,680
Speaker 1: and Pop Douglas on the feel at the same time.

2356
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna be small, yeah, but you can have them

2357
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 1: both on the you need. I don't want to bury

2358
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas. And it's not like Pop Douglas. This is

2359
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 1: all world player, but it's he's the one good thing

2360
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:14,600
Speaker 1: you have. And Kendrick Bourne, but he's coming off the

2361
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:17,120
Speaker 1: torn acl so we don't know, like he's not a guarantee.

2362
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 1: I want to add to the offense. I don't want

2363
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:21,280
Speaker 1: to improve the guys we already know are good enough

2364
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:23,639
Speaker 1: to play. I want to add guys who're gonna play

2365
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 1: on top of or with the guys that are already there.

2366
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:29,400
Speaker 1: So you know, I Roman Wilson to me could do

2367
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 1: that because you could have you have to figure out

2368
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:33,560
Speaker 1: the X, but you could have Roman Wilson at the

2369
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,040
Speaker 1: Z and Pop Douglas at the slot. Maybe Kendrick Bourne

2370
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:38,639
Speaker 1: becomes your X in that scenario. For now, you're really small,

2371
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,679
Speaker 1: but like that's a solid group so definitely can separate,

2372
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 1: which is something they haven't been able to do. Right.

2373
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 2: I'd much rather that group than Devontae Parker and Juju

2374
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:49,800
Speaker 2: Smith sus here that can't exactly So Roman Wilson, I've

2375
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:51,640
Speaker 2: been saying, moan ros Saint Brown because I think at

2376
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:54,640
Speaker 2: Michigan his usage was so similar the way that they

2377
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 2: brought him in motion and the way they got him

2378
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:58,160
Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage, and the way that they

2379
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:01,320
Speaker 2: just allowed him to just break down and not have

2380
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 2: to deal with a bunch of contact and just get open.

2381
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 2: The other comp that I hear that a lot of

2382
01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:07,680
Speaker 2: people put out there that I really like for him

2383
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:09,680
Speaker 2: is Golden Tate. Yeah. I think that's a good one too.

2384
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:12,320
Speaker 2: But I think either one of those guys is a

2385
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:15,760
Speaker 2: good pro. I just look at Roman Wilson and just

2386
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,799
Speaker 2: think that he's freaking smooth. Everything he does is smooth.

2387
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:22,280
Speaker 2: He never slows down, which I think is a really

2388
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 2: underrated skill for receivers. If you can cut at the

2389
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:29,640
Speaker 2: top of the route without losing speed, it's so devastatingly

2390
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 2: hard to cover you. I think his route pacing is fantastic.

2391
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 2: I think his hands are great. The one thing that

2392
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 2: he isn't as good as I think he could be

2393
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 2: is after the catch. Like he can run away from

2394
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 2: people after the catch, but he's not breaking tackles after

2395
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:43,000
Speaker 2: the catch. That might be the one area that aman

2396
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 2: Ras Saint Brown's a little bit better than him in.

2397
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:48,560
Speaker 2: But Amanreste Brow is a fourth round pick, not a

2398
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:50,600
Speaker 2: guy that came out that people thought very highly of

2399
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 2: at the time and ended up being an all Pro receiver.

2400
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 2: And I think that Roman Wilson might not be all pro,

2401
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 2: but he's gonna be one of those guys that were like,

2402
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:01,439
Speaker 2: how did Roman Wilson last a sixth? That was crazy? Right,

2403
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:04,519
Speaker 2: Like one of those types of things with tes Walker. So,

2404
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:06,599
Speaker 2: tes Walker, you mentioned Taekwon Thornton earlier.

2405
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:12,680
Speaker 1: Oh, No, he's more physical than that. He's bigger, than that.

2406
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:16,679
Speaker 2: So tes Walker. My accompo was in Taekwon. It's DJ

2407
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 2: Shark Okay, yeah, all right, fine.

2408
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:21,599
Speaker 1: Pretty one trick pony to me. But the one thing

2409
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 1: that stood out to me, but the one trick is

2410
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:23,639
Speaker 1: a good trick.

2411
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 2: It's a good trick. He can definitely get down the field,

2412
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:27,880
Speaker 2: there's no doubt about that. And he can definitely create

2413
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:28,799
Speaker 2: vertical separation.

2414
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 1: Uh.

2415
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 2: The one thing that I also stood out to me

2416
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:32,960
Speaker 2: at the pro day is how long he is. Like

2417
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,800
Speaker 2: he's only six to two, but he's got really really

2418
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:37,599
Speaker 2: long arms. I think his arms are in the eighty

2419
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 2: second percentile for wingspan, So he's got a really large

2420
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 2: catch radius on top of that, and that is something

2421
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 2: that I think stood out watching him catch passes from

2422
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,400
Speaker 2: Drake May, who if you're gonna have a quarterback, and

2423
01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:50,599
Speaker 2: I know that everybody's asking because they want to pair

2424
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:52,400
Speaker 2: the quarterback with the receiver, and I think there's some

2425
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:54,160
Speaker 2: value in that, but I think with a guy like

2426
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 2: Drake May, he's not gonna be pinpoint accurate. So if

2427
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 2: Drake May is gonna be your quarterback, having guys with

2428
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:04,599
Speaker 2: larger catch radiuses might actually help, especially on the outside.

2429
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 2: I think that that does help tes Walker a lot

2430
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:09,519
Speaker 2: is that he can really reach out. His hands are inconsistent,

2431
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 2: we know that, but he can really reach outside of

2432
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:13,560
Speaker 2: his frame and pluck the ball. So I do like

2433
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 2: tes Walker, but he wasn't the guy that uh that

2434
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 2: I wrote down. I wrote down somebody else. I thought, well, yeah,

2435
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 2: but I wrote out in terms of like, I think

2436
01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:24,000
Speaker 2: tes Walker is a third or fourth round pick.

2437
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:26,760
Speaker 1: Real well, third rounds to be day two, Okay, I

2438
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 1: think he might be.

2439
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,280
Speaker 2: I think I think he'll probably go late day three

2440
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 2: his senior or late day two.

2441
01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 1: Excuse me. His Senior Bowl stunk like in team teams

2442
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 1: are gonna care teams. But he did come back with

2443
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:41,040
Speaker 1: a really good, really good combine for whatever that's worth.

2444
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:43,080
Speaker 2: But right, but I think that there's no question about

2445
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:45,120
Speaker 2: what he can do without contact. That's true, all right,

2446
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 2: that's fair. That's his problem.

2447
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:49,120
Speaker 1: Well, the weird thing about a Senior Bowl was it

2448
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:50,680
Speaker 1: was his hands. But his hands were one of his

2449
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 1: best traits at UNC Like he didn't line up.

2450
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 2: He has a lot of focus drops. It's not necessarily like.

2451
01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:59,280
Speaker 2: He makes some highlight real grabs and really good, Like

2452
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 2: I said, his catch, he's really good. He can make

2453
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:04,560
Speaker 2: catches outside his frame. He flashes that ability, but he

2454
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 2: just drops some easy ones where you're just like, what's

2455
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:08,120
Speaker 2: going on here? All right?

2456
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:10,639
Speaker 1: Who's day three? I mean, I guess I gotta play

2457
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:13,840
Speaker 1: the hits. This Bud means, go ahead, make your case.

2458
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:19,400
Speaker 1: So Bud means started as a corner at Tennessee, didn't play.

2459
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 1: Transferred to louisianattack, had a few decent years. It's like

2460
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:25,639
Speaker 1: a backup went to Pitt as soon as Pits offense

2461
01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:27,760
Speaker 1: completely fell apart, like it.

2462
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 2: Was excuses for him already.

2463
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:32,559
Speaker 1: I love it still still at seven hundred yards last year.

2464
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:36,479
Speaker 1: Bud means he's got He checks all the boxes of

2465
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 1: like the average Elliott wolf Packers receiver six to one.

2466
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 1: He checked it at the combine at six fifteen and

2467
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:44,120
Speaker 1: then showed up in his proda at two twenty five.

2468
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened there. I'll admit that's a

2469
01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:47,840
Speaker 1: little bit of a red flag. He's already on the

2470
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 1: couch getting fat. No, it's muscle wasn't worth.

2471
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:51,879
Speaker 2: He showed up check.

2472
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:58,320
Speaker 1: Vertical receiver, good ball skills, good speed, that gets out

2473
01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:01,479
Speaker 1: of his dance quick. He's explosive. He started to show

2474
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 1: more after they catch this year, Like that's something he's

2475
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:07,760
Speaker 1: clearly working on and adding to his game. I'm not

2476
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:09,920
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and say bub Means is gonna solve

2477
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:10,679
Speaker 1: all the pages problems.

2478
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:10,920
Speaker 2: He's not.

2479
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 1: And I don't want it to seem like the reason

2480
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 1: I bring him up so much in parts because I

2481
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 1: know how much a bugs you. But like if they

2482
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 1: could if they're gonna double up a receiver, they could

2483
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 1: certainly do worse on Day three than bub Means. I

2484
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:24,640
Speaker 1: think he has an interesting skill set. Again, if you

2485
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:28,599
Speaker 1: want just a vertical option, he's a really good fit

2486
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,000
Speaker 1: for that because he's got good size. He's gonna be

2487
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:34,200
Speaker 1: a mismatch for most corners. He's explosive for his size,

2488
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 1: and he's really good at going up and getting the ball.

2489
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:40,280
Speaker 1: He's a tough evaluation because that offense was such a

2490
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:43,280
Speaker 1: messing pit and he really didn't play much before that.

2491
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:47,720
Speaker 1: But for a Day three flyer, yeah, I would take

2492
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:51,040
Speaker 1: a guy like that absolutely. I did talk to one

2493
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:53,840
Speaker 1: person who was at the Shrine Bowl, oh, who said

2494
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:58,759
Speaker 1: some inside info, who said, like, looking at the guys

2495
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:02,360
Speaker 1: in that range, if there is a call it outside

2496
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:04,800
Speaker 1: of the top one fifty pick, who Pops said he

2497
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:06,639
Speaker 1: would be in the running for the guys that could

2498
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 1: be this year's Pookunukua. That just the situation was a mess.

2499
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:15,000
Speaker 1: Somebody sees the forest for the trees and we all say,

2500
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:17,680
Speaker 1: how did everybody miss on this guy? Doesn't mean that's

2501
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:20,640
Speaker 1: who he will be, but the pieces are there to

2502
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 1: set that up.

2503
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:26,720
Speaker 2: So speaking of the Shrine Bowl, Malik Washington, everybody really

2504
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 2: he is the Pop Douglas.

2505
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:31,960
Speaker 1: This year, but that's why. But he plays like Pop Douglas.

2506
01:50:32,120 --> 01:50:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was my problem when I was trying

2507
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 2: to come up with a Day three guy, is that

2508
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 2: all the guys down Day three that I kind of

2509
01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:41,839
Speaker 2: liked were all Pop Douglas. They were all Malik Washington,

2510
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:45,160
Speaker 2: the guy from USC that I'm blanking on his name

2511
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 2: right now. I got this all written down. I should

2512
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,639
Speaker 2: probably look at it. You know, all those types of guys,

2513
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 2: like guys that are you know, Jacob Cowing from Arizona.

2514
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of players like that in

2515
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:59,160
Speaker 2: this draft that are intriguing in terms of late you know,

2516
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 2: or on Day three here Taj Washington from USC That's

2517
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:05,560
Speaker 2: the other guy I was thinking of. So you know,

2518
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,559
Speaker 2: also Jamari Thrash from Louisville, who I think is going

2519
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:10,599
Speaker 2: to be a decent player in the league. All these

2520
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:12,799
Speaker 2: guys are Pop Douglas. They're all Pop Douglas.

2521
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:14,800
Speaker 1: Well, that's the other reason that like means he's one

2522
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:18,519
Speaker 1: of the true X receivers in this range that we're

2523
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:18,960
Speaker 1: talking about.

2524
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the only other guy that I think is

2525
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:25,280
Speaker 2: probably gonna might go late day day two is Johnny Wilson, who.

2526
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:25,920
Speaker 1: I like that.

2527
01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:28,519
Speaker 2: You like Johnny. I like john Wilson. I did not

2528
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:31,560
Speaker 2: expect when you told me originally about Johnny Wilson, and

2529
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:33,560
Speaker 2: I looked up just you know, kind of did some

2530
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:36,679
Speaker 2: surface research, not film watching, but just research.

2531
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:37,400
Speaker 1: I looked.

2532
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:40,720
Speaker 2: I saw a six six and thirty one pound guy,

2533
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:44,160
Speaker 2: and I'm like, why are you showing me Scotty Washington, Like,

2534
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:47,719
Speaker 2: I'm not interested. Okay, But then you watch the film

2535
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 2: and he's the total opposite of what you think he was.

2536
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:52,840
Speaker 2: He's an athlete, he's an He's a very good route

2537
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:55,920
Speaker 2: runner for that size, very good. It can separate at

2538
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:58,439
Speaker 2: the top of the route. The problem is that his handstake,

2539
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 2: he drops everything. It makes no sense.

2540
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:03,040
Speaker 1: He makes no sense. He might make less sense than

2541
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:03,559
Speaker 1: Joe Milton.

2542
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 2: He tries to, you know, uh moss people like go

2543
01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 2: up and catch it over somebody, and he just totally

2544
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 2: miss times his jump, like he'll just miss time the

2545
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:13,680
Speaker 2: jump and the ball will end up going. You know,

2546
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 2: he's on level three and he needs to be on

2547
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:18,400
Speaker 2: level seven and he's miss times the jump, and it's

2548
01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 2: just like, dude, you're six six, just post up on

2549
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,040
Speaker 2: somebody and catch it over this guy's head. I don't understand.

2550
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 2: But then you watch him and you see some real

2551
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:30,560
Speaker 2: build up speed to go separate over the top and

2552
01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 2: some real ability to break down at the top of

2553
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:35,400
Speaker 2: the route, and I'm just like, what this makes no sense.

2554
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:38,400
Speaker 2: So I actually really like Johnny Wilson. I know some

2555
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:40,280
Speaker 2: people are gonna be like, well, he can't catch. Why

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01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 2: do you want a receiver that can't catch. I think

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01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 2: that that is one thing about receiver play that I'm

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01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:47,080
Speaker 2: actually confident that you can drill. You can just get

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01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:49,680
Speaker 2: somebody on the jugs machine for ten hours a day

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01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 2: and just be like catch catch, catch a thousand balls

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01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:56,240
Speaker 2: and don't leave here until you catch it rout maybe

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01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:58,840
Speaker 2: a little bit maybe maybe like like the whole day,

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01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:01,479
Speaker 2: Like you can have a well you can have a sandwich.

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01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:03,479
Speaker 1: Aren't only allowed to be in the facility for like

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01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:04,479
Speaker 1: seven or eight hours.

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01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 2: Just get Johnny Wilson on the jugs machine. Get him

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01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 2: doing that drill where they like, run, run, run, and

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01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:12,040
Speaker 2: then catch it over. What's the movie where they ductate

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01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:13,680
Speaker 2: the ball to the guy's hands. Yeah, or you know

2570
01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 2: in the Replacements when they give him the stick them.

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01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Just do that with Johnny Wilson,

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01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:20,800
Speaker 2: because I think that at that size, at six six

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01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:23,280
Speaker 2: two thirty to be able to really break down and

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01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:25,360
Speaker 2: sink and cut and get open, like run a dig

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01:53:25,479 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 2: route that's actually snappy, and they're like, wow, that's a

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01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:30,200
Speaker 2: dig route, you know, it's not like a rounded off,

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01:53:30,439 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 2: you know, a piece of junk. That's pretty impressive at

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01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:35,240
Speaker 2: that side. So I'm in on Johnny Wilson. I'm in

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01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:37,560
Speaker 2: all right, Top three, I'm in.

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Speaker 1: That was fun.

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01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:40,560
Speaker 2: I'm glad we did that, got through that. Yeah, we

2582
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:41,000
Speaker 2: get everything.

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01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:43,360
Speaker 1: Quarterback running back receipt. We don't really need to fullback.

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01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't even know who the fullbacks. We're not here

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01:53:45,200 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 1: back and we're not doing guards. Do guards on your

2586
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:49,680
Speaker 1: own time. I I told you off the top. If

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01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:52,519
Speaker 1: they want to add like a UDFA guard, the c J. Hansen,

2588
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:54,759
Speaker 1: the kid from Holy Cross have at it. No outside

2589
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 1: of that, no guards, not even any Dominic Puney. Jordan

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01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:00,960
Speaker 1: Morgan mac and calls out, don't even want the guys

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01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:03,120
Speaker 1: that are guard adjacent, So Dominic Puney.

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01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 2: I know some people have talked about for the Patriots

2593
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:09,160
Speaker 2: because of his five position versatility. Jim Naggy tweeted out

2594
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:10,840
Speaker 2: the other day that he thinks he's a center.

2595
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:14,640
Speaker 1: Right like I couldn't. Honestly, I'd rather than draft a

2596
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:15,360
Speaker 1: center than a guard.

2597
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:17,920
Speaker 2: Me too, because at least that's David, you know, Jake Andrews.

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01:54:19,400 --> 01:54:21,360
Speaker 1: The name is Taylor Bordolini. I think if you're going

2599
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:23,000
Speaker 1: to go that route from Wisconsin.

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01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 2: We're not drafting any guards.

2601
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 1: But now we've covered our bases on center, which maybe

2602
01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:28,519
Speaker 1: late on day three would make sense to draft Taylor Bordelini.

2603
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:31,080
Speaker 2: I just hope for the Patriot's sake and then we'll

2604
01:54:31,080 --> 01:54:32,480
Speaker 2: wrap it up. And I know I didn't get to

2605
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:34,720
Speaker 2: any of the emails today, but our email is down

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01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:37,040
Speaker 2: or something, so of course everything's just fallen apart with

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Speaker 2: this storm.

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Speaker 1: That's outside right now. Somebody did email in and.

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Speaker 2: S talk. I don't want to say that this swear

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Speaker 2: on as talk Jersey Mike's which is just like I'm

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Speaker 2: going for lunch. Yeah, easy, easy with that. Anyways, I

2612
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:56,600
Speaker 2: hope for the Patriot's sake that two of these sixteen

2613
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:58,920
Speaker 2: guards that they've drafted over the last couple of years

2614
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:03,040
Speaker 2: can play that because if they if they can't, it

2615
01:55:03,200 --> 01:55:05,920
Speaker 2: just opens up another hole on the roster. That is

2616
01:55:06,040 --> 01:55:09,000
Speaker 2: just such a that's a big blow that you took

2617
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:11,520
Speaker 2: a first round guard, you took a fourth round guard,

2618
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:13,720
Speaker 2: and you took a fifth round guard, and who knows,

2619
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 2: maybe you took another fourth round guard in Jake Andrews took.

2620
01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:18,840
Speaker 1: You took three interior linemen in the top one fifty

2621
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:20,760
Speaker 1: last year or a year after taking a guard in

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01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:21,320
Speaker 1: the first round.

2623
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:23,920
Speaker 2: And if you can't come out of that pool of

2624
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:28,160
Speaker 2: four guys with two starting guards, then you're you're as

2625
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:31,320
Speaker 2: creek without a paddle. You're in trouble, right. So hopefully

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01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:32,880
Speaker 2: that they can just coach those guys up.

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Speaker 1: But I would say, even for this year, you've made

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Speaker 1: the investment, maybe maybe none of those guys work out.

2629
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Speaker 1: That's not you haven't given them enough time. That's a

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Speaker 1: have a good enough draft this year that if none

2632
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Speaker 1: of those guys work out, you have the flexibility to

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