1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Can the Cardinals do what they couldn't in Seattle and Minnesota? Finish? 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Paul Calvicy joins me 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: two games to winnable games that the Cardinals were on 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: the short end against the Seahawks and Vikings. What must 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: change to change the outcome? This week also conversations about 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: the pair of first round draft picks Marvin Harrison Junior 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: and Darius Robinson. It's Cardinals Cover two Episode eight twenty seven, 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: and it starts now. 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 3: Bud to Baker, What Heart? 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: What rent? 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable. 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 14 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: He's ad the ten half of five. He's it again 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: some more Hurry Magic. 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig trailer. 19 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: So I found Paul, As I mentioned on Monday's edition 20 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: of Cardinals Cover too, the thinking was, or the belief was, 21 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: that Paul perhaps got lost in the Wall of America. 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: So here he is on Wednesday, ready for action. Actually, 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: I saved Wolf from the mall of America. Wolf wanted 24 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: to go in and check out the amusement park. Do 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: you realize they have a full carousel. They have like 26 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: a ferris wheel in there. It is astounding, just how 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: large that think four levels And so yeah, that's how 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: you spent Friday night, Saturday Saturday. 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 3: Night walking around there. You know it's a wolf. Say, 30 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: wanted to get a workout in Okay before dinner, and so, 31 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 3: considering it was six six degrees outside, we decided to 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 3: do some laps around the Mall of America. And let's 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: just say I did work up an appetite once I 34 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: kept Wolf out of bath and Bodyworks and get from 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 3: getting earring and player's you know, we'll skid out of 36 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: the Lululemon shop. Let's go get something to eat. 37 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that might cost you come Sunday if what happens 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: to hear that. So Paul is present, as was I 39 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: believe just about everyone at Wednesday's practice, with the exception 40 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: of offensive lineman Calvin Beecham. He was walking out as 41 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: we were walking in. And that's just something Paul we've 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: come to expect on Wednesday. He deserves it, he's earned it. 43 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: It's his regular VET day off. On Wednesday for your 44 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: swing tackle. 45 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, at some point, you know what, I fully expect 46 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 3: the Cardinals to use sixty eight a little bit more 47 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 3: as an extra six man offensive line. Oh, I don't know, 48 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: maybe this week against certain big cat Leonard Williams. 49 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: Don't know. 50 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 3: We'll see, We'll see how it goes this week. I 51 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: will say that I do believe the Cardinals old line, 52 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: which rebounded nicely in Minnesota, we'll have any even better 53 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 3: performance this week for two reasons. One, they're not gonna 54 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: have to worry about the silent count like they did 55 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 3: in Seattle and in Minnesota. And as your friendly neighborhood 56 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 3: pencil next sideline reporter, you heard Kyler mention it. He 57 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: mentioned it after both games. We do not handle the 58 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 3: environment as well as we could have, as well as 59 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 3: we should have. It's an advantage for a defense, especially 60 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: in those two venues. I mean, you can't tell me 61 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: that the defensive front isn't getting half a step, because 62 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: it really levels the playing field. The old line is 63 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: not going the ability to go on cadence, and so 64 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: everyone has to watch the ball. Everyone and I sort 65 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: of went around the locker room today. Craig and I 66 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 3: talked to some of the Cardinals' pass rushers and I said, 67 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: if you get that extra half step, even a quarter 68 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: step off the edge, is that a big deal? Absolutely? 69 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: They said, So I think that'll be in the cardinals 70 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 3: favor on this Sunday. That should improve things up front, 71 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 3: and then I'll see number two goes for the entire team. 72 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: There's a bit of an edge in that locker room 73 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: right now. I'm not gonna say it's full blown anger 74 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: because it doesn't necessarily happen on a Wednesday in the NFL, 75 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 3: but I and from some guys I've talked to Bait 76 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: and you heard it, and Mac Wilson said as much 77 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 3: to the media on Monday. They went through the film 78 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: of the Minnesota loss and they just said, you know what, 79 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 3: this is every bit on us as much as it 80 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: is on the Vikings. And so I think there's there's 81 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 3: a certain level of aggravation on this team that after 82 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: two games that they believe could have been two wins, 83 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: they were that close against two good teams, especially the Vikings, 84 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 3: that they're hell been on showing it in this game, 85 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 3: and they know the import of where this game means, 86 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: what it means in the standings. 87 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: The false starts, the holding penalties, all as far as 88 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: offensive line is concerned, can play a factor or a cause, 89 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: I should say cause when you are a half step late, 90 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: when you're trying to you anticipate when that ball gets snapped, 91 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: so you're on your toes when that pass rush is 92 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: coming at you. So level playing field comes Sunday at 93 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: State Farm Stadium and you bring up Beach. I did hear, 94 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: and I just looked back at the game log. He 95 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: did get one snap and it was referenced by Dave Pass, 96 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: who doesn't miss anything all of a sudden sixth offensive 97 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: lineman or aase they officially say lineman eligible. I don't 98 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: believe you're gonna see Beach go out for a pass, 99 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: but an extra blocker just to kind of give I 100 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't say more protection, but just a little bit more 101 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: time either for Kyler Murray to get those deep chunk 102 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: throws downfield or to open things up a little bit 103 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: for James Connor, who had no running room in that 104 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: first meeting against the Seahawks, who had much better running 105 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: room against the Vikings, which was a tough defense against 106 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: the run. In fact, they were number one at stopping 107 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: the run, and they could not stop anything Cardinals related 108 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: offensively to the tune of four hundred plus yards. It 109 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: was just when they got inside the red zone that 110 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: the offense bogged down and couldn't get across the goal line. 111 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, to your point, Paul, this offense certainly took 112 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: a step forward from Seattle to Minnesota. Now in the 113 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: next step is okay, take that extra step to where 114 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: you're scoring points to match up for the time of 115 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: possession that you have and for the yards that you're gaining. 116 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, finish drives, finish games, and then finished the season. 117 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: That's the word of the week. Finish. As for this 118 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: Seattle defense that's been playing really well ever since they 119 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: came off the by They're top five and a lot 120 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 3: of categories, including scoring defense ever since they came off 121 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 3: the buy. And you're like, well, okay, why is that 122 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 3: a big deal? Well, going into the buy, they made 123 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: some changes in personnel. You know, they are two inside 124 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: linebackers that started the season, including one who was their 125 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: leading tackler, are no longer on the roster. They brought 126 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: in Ernie Jones, and they you know, they had Tyree Knight, 127 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 3: the rookie. Those two guys have been a dynamic duoed 128 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: inside linebacker. It's been a big difference. They've been able 129 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: to dial in the Mike McDonald's scheme. And I bring 130 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: that up because I asked Kyler about that earlier today, 131 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 3: just all right, the scheme and having seen it, what 132 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,119 Speaker 3: does that mean? Because remember he did not play against 133 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: Baltimore a year ago, and so I do think there 134 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: is something to that because what the Cardinals have gone 135 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: against the last two weeks. I believe if you don't 136 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: call the Cardinals JG and Nick Rolis, who really are 137 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: up there with these two schemes, But in terms of 138 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: Brian Flores and Mike McDonald and what they do in 139 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 3: trying to a speed up a quarterback and be make 140 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: an offense think. And that's the whole Mike McDonald way. 141 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: And some of the stuff the Cardinals saw in Seattle, 142 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: it defied all tendencies, it defied expectations, it defied what 143 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 3: they had shown on film. You know, it was really interesting. 144 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: Mike McDonald recently at a press conference, was talking about 145 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: his philosophy of trying to keep offenses guessing while not 146 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: necessarily putting his own defense at undue risk. If you will, 147 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: And the quote he told the media was you're trying 148 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 3: to stay aggressive and apply pressure, but you don't necessarily 149 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: have to do that by sending extra bodies. So there 150 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: was a key moment a fourth down, actually the final 151 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: fourth down against the Jets the Seattle win, where they 152 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: sent Kobe Bryant off the edge on a safety blitz 153 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: that they had not shown all season. So that's the 154 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: kind of stuff that you have to be ready for. 155 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: And after the Seattle game, in the locker room on 156 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 3: the road, talking to some of the receivers, what did 157 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 3: you guys see out there? Because to me, once again, 158 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 3: I'm on the sideline and you know, I never played 159 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: past high school, but I'm like, man, there's a lot 160 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,599 Speaker 3: of different looks and a lot of different Seahawks and 161 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: different places at different times, And a lot of guys said, yeah, 162 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: they are just quote roll of deexne coverages and looks 163 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 3: and different blitzes, and so you know, you really, so 164 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: I think one game against that sort of scheme hopefully 165 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: will bode well for Kyler Murray and the offense, the 166 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: offensive line, and you won't be doing nearly as much 167 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 3: thinking as you did two weeks ago. 168 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: I know, we're twelve games into the season and you 169 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: look at that Seahawks de overall as far as their numbers, 170 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: and it doesn't look great. But you bring up what 171 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: they've done since the bye week three straight wins, and 172 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: you bring up what they've done since Week nine, because 173 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: it's splashed the front across the front of the Seahawks 174 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: game notes as far as being top five and points allowed, 175 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: total yards and rushing yards allowed. So they're paying attention 176 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: out there. But then the fact that first year head coach, 177 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: first year coordinator, and this season figuring out what this 178 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: Seahawks team is all about, what's my personnel? It's not 179 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: unlike what we've seen here with Cliff Kingsbury with Jonathan 180 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: Gannon are that first season you kind of get off 181 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: to a slow start, although the Seahawks did start off fast, 182 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: but then there was that dip and then they make 183 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: the corrections personnel corrections, figuring things out, and all of 184 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: a sudden, you look at the Seahawks like, well, the 185 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: numbers say they're not great, but they're seven and five 186 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: with an opportunity to sweep the Cardinals on Sunday. So 187 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: this is I think a fascinating matchup because it is 188 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: the rematch and it's so close twice in three weeks 189 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: that you're seeing this the same opponent, and it does happen. 190 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: It doesn't happen a lot, Paul, But to a player, 191 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: to a coach, we're always wondering, all right, who's got 192 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: the advantage. All right, maybe the prep is a little 193 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: bit less and you're ready for this one, and they're 194 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: all like, no, we're starting from scratch. It's ground zero, 195 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: and we're not changing our process at all. This week 196 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: is no different than last week, the week before, the 197 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: week before that as far as what we have to 198 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: do Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday to get ready 199 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: for Sunday. 200 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: You know, do you change for the sake of change 201 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: just because you played this team two weeks ago? And 202 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 3: I asked Jonathan Gannon that question. This week on is 203 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,479 Speaker 3: a weekly TV show game plan? He said, no, not necessarily, 204 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 3: he said, especially if it's not in your wheelhouse, especially 205 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 3: if you don't feel confident as a team executing it. 206 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 3: You're not going to run something that you don't think 207 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 3: is sound. Here's the rub, though, this is just my 208 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 3: own opinion, is that Jonathan Gann and Nick rawlis run 209 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 3: a lot of different things on defense. Drew Petsing is 210 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: pretty multiple on offense. You could definitely say the same 211 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 3: thing for Mike McDonald's defense. Now Seattle's offense Ryan Grubb, 212 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 3: the former UDUB offensive coordinator. They still have not unlocked 213 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 3: the running game, which a lot of Cardinals defenders find 214 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 3: perplexing because Kenneth Walker is such a talented running back. Again, 215 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 3: I think it gets back to the two offensive lines. 216 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: Cardinals O line rebounding in Minnesota. I think they'll have 217 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 3: an even better game in this one, just because they 218 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 3: don't have to worry about the silent count. If you're 219 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: forcing Seattle's O line to go with the silent count 220 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: much of the game, then hopefully that's advantage Cardinals defense. 221 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 3: You know they have the big cat Leonard Williams. You 222 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: have Darius Robinson in game number two. I fully expect 223 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: him to get a lot more snaps in game two, 224 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 3: to be out there more on a down by down basis. 225 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: He can really work up a lather and get into 226 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 3: a flow, maybe set up an offensive lineman LJ. Colly. 227 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: We're now motivated. He is going against his former team. 228 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 3: He has three sacks, in the last two weeks. So 229 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: we'll see, but we know the stakes. To your point 230 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 3: about the division, Cardinals win and they would officially be 231 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: in first place because of a better division record, better 232 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 3: conference record, better head to head record against the Seahawks 233 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 3: and the Rams. For example, I'm already discounting the forty 234 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 3: nine ers. They're done, you know which. By the way, 235 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: if you look at you said you looked at the 236 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: Seattle press release, if you look at Seattle media coverage 237 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 3: of the NFC West, they're almost exclusively focused on the 238 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: Rams as the one and only threat to the Seahawks 239 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: in the division. They aren't even really factoring in the 240 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 3: Cardinals right now. So if there really ever was still 241 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 3: a bolton board in the locker room, I would post 242 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: that up there, because the Seattle media seems to be 243 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 3: transfixed only on the Rams as a potential threat in 244 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 3: the division. 245 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: See, that's that's a problem because, as the NFL likes 246 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: to do each and every week, they send out all 247 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: these notes and analytic numbers and stats and stuff, and 248 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: if you look at those numbers closely, Paul, you will 249 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: find as far as this race for the NFC West 250 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: is concerned, the Cardinals have the easiest remaining strength of 251 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: schedule among the four NFC West teams in there, and 252 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: the Seahawks they have the most difficult remaining schedule ding. 253 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: They still have to play the Packers, the Vikings, the Bears, 254 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: and the Rams. 255 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 3: Wow. So yeah, I don't know. 256 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: What's going on up there in the Pacific Northwest, but 257 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: to discount the Cardinals and just go right to the Rams, who, 258 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: by the way, still have the forty nine ers, Jets, Cardinals, 259 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: and Seahawks, and who host the Bills on. 260 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 3: Sunday, So there's another ding, there's yeah, So think about that. 261 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 3: And then the Cardinals next two games against New England 262 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 3: then at Carolina, So now they're better Drake you'd rather 263 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 3: have played Drake May and Bryce Young earlier in the year. 264 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 3: I get it, But still I mean advantage Cardinals in 265 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 3: those games. You still have a season finale against the 266 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 3: forty nine ers. Once again, I mean they're busting and 267 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 3: imploding right now like my webvan stock during the dot 268 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: com days. Okay, that's how bad the forty nine ers 269 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 3: are imploding right now. And then you have the road 270 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 3: game at the Rams. So yes, it is all into 271 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 3: this one and I don't know what the outcome is 272 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 3: going to be. I will say I think the Cardinals 273 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: play once again with their biggest edge and the most 274 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 3: intensity and energy we have seen all season long, because 275 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 3: the urgency a has to be there, and I think 276 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: it is there coming off these last two games, two 277 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: close losses where the Cardinals are looking at the film 278 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 3: and really blaming themselves more than the opponent. 279 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: You brought up the one big difference between Sunday and 280 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: the first meeting against the Seahawks, and that is Darius Robinson. 281 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: You were in Minnesota in the locker room and you 282 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: heard the comments from Darius about his twenty two snaps, 283 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: and he was not happy. He was not pleased because 284 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: in his mind, he did not impact the game, didn't 285 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: show up on the stat sheet, but didn't feel personally 286 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: he impacted the game. At his locker on Wednesday, he 287 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: was asked how he felt a couple of days afterwards, 288 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: having rewatched the game, Big smile across his face. 289 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 3: He feels positive. 290 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: I think he feels better about his performance, whether that 291 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: is more him rewatching it, or the coaches or his 292 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: teammates pointed out, Hey, this is what you did right 293 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: to allow me to do this, I e. LJ. Collier 294 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: the sack, the first sack that caller had, Robinson bottling 295 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: up everyone else to free up LJ for the sack 296 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: of Sam Donald. So I think to your point, he 297 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: feels better about his performance, which is number one. And 298 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, from twenty two snaps to 299 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: maybe thirty thirty five. I don't know. We know this 300 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: defense likes the rotation. He's not going to be on 301 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: the field for seventy five percent of the snaps unless 302 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: he becomes that player where you just can't afford him 303 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: to be on the sideline like an Aaron Donald or 304 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: Leonard Williams, because you're having so much of an impact, 305 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: Hey put him back out there. Plus he's young, he 306 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: can play more snaps. But I do think that that 307 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: bowes well for this Cardinals defense, which did play well 308 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: in the first meeting against the Seahawks until they didn't 309 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: lay in the game. 310 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 3: From my eye just watching on the sideline, and I 311 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 3: did keep half an eye on the d line rotation, 312 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: it looked like Dante Stills was playing a lot of 313 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: the rundowns and then Daris Robinson would go in on 314 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: second and obvious third and obvious, known pass and what 315 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: the Cardinals were expecting. So if you were to say 316 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: that those reps flipped this week, Daris Robinson got in 317 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: the low thirties and maybe a Dante Stills got in 318 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 3: the low twenties, I wouldn't be shocked if that ends 319 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: up being the rotation, just because, look, you have a 320 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: first round pick, a guy who is a true game 321 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: wrecker in August. And I get it, it's August, it's 322 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: not the regular season. He just played his first regular 323 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: season game. But Daris Robinson at some point will achieve 324 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: what every single rookie has to do in the NFL, 325 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: and that is gain his confidence in the NFL, gain 326 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 3: his confidence that he can be a playmaker, a difference 327 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: maker at the pro level. And it was after Trey 328 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: Benson had the big game against Chicago going into the 329 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: by and I talked to few guys in that locker 330 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: room just about because what Trey Benson said after that 331 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 3: game was, yeah, you know, I have my confidence. Now 332 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 3: what Marvin Harrison Junior said after the Rams game, you 333 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: know Week two didn't take him long, but he you know, 334 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 3: it's imperative as a rookie that you know, know you 335 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 3: can actually make plays at the NFL level. Guys, you've 336 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 3: been watching on TV for so many years, you got 337 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: to know that you have the ability to compete and win. 338 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 3: And so at some point, Darius, when that hits, whether 339 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: it's a tackle for loss, whether it's blowing up a play, 340 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: you know, his first sack, I think the Cardinals will 341 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 3: definitely have something. Look, Seattle Seahawks did not see Big 342 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 3: fifty six in the first meeting, So I am curious 343 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 3: because if there is one liability on that Seattle team, 344 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 3: it has to be the O line, and especially the 345 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: interior O line and what Seattle did to the Cardinals 346 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 3: in Seattle and the interior Cardinals O line, you know, Look, 347 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 3: that needs to be the plan for the Cardinals against 348 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 3: Seattle's O line. Here in Week fourteen, only. 349 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams and c J. Stroud have been sacked more 350 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: times than Gino Smith, and Smith has been brought down 351 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: forty times this season, at least three times in each 352 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: of the past four games. And we know what the 353 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals did against him a couple of weeks back with 354 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: those five to six, with those five sacks and six 355 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: quarterback hits. 356 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 3: So to your point, well, Jo's elusive too. 357 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: He can dance around in that pocket by a little 358 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: extra time. I mean, he's not going to outrun you 359 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: like a Kyler Murray, but extend plays a little bit. 360 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: And we saw that again on that final drive where 361 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: you convert three third downs and couldn't get him off 362 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: the field. But if Darius can be that guy that 363 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: you brought up when we were speaking with Kyle Vanderboscher 364 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: on the Red Sea Report those final drives talking about 365 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: finishing defensively, do you have that guy that can get 366 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: home when it matters, not first quarter, second quarter, third quarter, 367 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: but when it matters when you have to have the 368 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: play on third and long or fourth and long to 369 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: get the offense off the field. Is there that guy 370 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: can get in there, get a sack, or knock the 371 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: ball loose, or can throw before they want to or 372 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: tip it. Someone like that. Can that be eventually maybe 373 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: a d rob. 374 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: And that's like where Aaron Donald was at his best. 375 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: He won the rams of Super Bowl on that fateful 376 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 3: final play right when Sean McVay was miked up and 377 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 3: we need our guy to make that play and he 378 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 3: did to seal it. You saw Leonard Williams on the 379 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 3: third down last week against the Jets, before the fourth 380 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: down that I just referenced where Kobe Bryant came on 381 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 3: the safety blitz off the edge, Leonard Williams actually sacked 382 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers and put him behind the sticks. So in 383 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 3: those money moments, you got to have your best players 384 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 3: playing at their best. And let's face it, that's where 385 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 3: the Cardinals came up short in Minnesota. In those money moments. 386 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: They just didn't get it done on either side of 387 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 3: the ball. So once again, you got to finish. You 388 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 3: got to finish off on defense, finish off a team's possession, 389 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 3: and then you got to finish drives and the Cardinals, 390 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 3: you know, to talk about Kyler speed. This is the 391 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: thing that's that's vexing to me as well a little bit, 392 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: and we talked about this on the Red Sea Report. 393 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: If you look at the best red zone percentage teams 394 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 3: right now, the Ravens and the Bills have been in 395 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 3: the top three top four all year long. Then they 396 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 3: have two of the most mobile and dual threat quarterbacks 397 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 3: in the league. Obviously in Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen Well. 398 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: Kyler's every bit is elusive and as much a threat 399 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 3: with his legs, and so you would think this is 400 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 3: a Cardinals team that can make the corrections in the 401 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 3: red zone and rebound in that department. 402 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: They're one for six performance inside the twenty yard line 403 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: on Sunday. Drop the Cardinals to twenty third in red 404 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: zone efficiency. It's just over fifty percent. So it's been 405 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: a struggle, not just Minnesota against the Seahawks, it was 406 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: as well. But how do you figure out how do 407 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: you change that? And we bring up the other first 408 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: round draft pick for the Arizona Cardinals, and that would 409 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: be Marvin Harrison Junior. We know he's got seven touchdowns, 410 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: but can it be more effective inside the red zone 411 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: to where you're not having these struggles and you're putting 412 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: up touchdowns as a pose to field goals. Because whether 413 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: it's Marvin, whether it's Trey McBride, how about we get 414 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: Trey a touchdown reception to go with his touchdown run 415 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: and fumble return for a touchdown. But even Kyler Murray 416 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: said that was a weird stat broke into a little 417 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: bit of a smile. So, yeah, we need to change 418 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: that real soon regarding Trey and not being able to score, 419 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: But can you figure out a way, whether it's through 420 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: the air or on the ground, with either Kyler or 421 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: James Connor, to get more touchdowns when you're inside the 422 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: twenty yard line. 423 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 3: Look, Trey McBride just became the first NFL tight end 424 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 3: to have a dozen catches in back to back games, 425 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 3: and I'm still convinced there was fifteen catches out there 426 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: at least in both those games, and especially when we 427 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 3: get down into the red zone. He is such a threat. 428 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 3: He's such a tough cover. Who are you putting on him? 429 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 3: Who can handle his size and his speed and the 430 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 3: route running in the athleticism so all, I'm all in 431 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 3: favor of giving him twenty targets a game at this 432 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 3: point until a defense proves they can stop Trey McBride. 433 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 3: As for Marvin Arrison Junior, obviously they're leaving some play 434 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 3: out there. There's no doubt about it. The back shoulder 435 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: fade down the Cardinals sideline and a key moment in 436 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 3: the game where he turned around late and they weren't 437 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 3: quite on the same page. I asked both Kyler and 438 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior about that earlier today. Just how much 439 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 3: more productive can you guys be Kyler's one word answer 440 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 3: was a lot, and then Marvin Harrison Junior went into 441 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 3: their better than they were earlier in the year. They're 442 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 3: on the same page. They're reading the defense more in 443 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 3: sync once again, just like we speculated on in September. 444 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 3: I believe that has come true. That a lot of 445 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 3: what has to happen is the rookies have to get 446 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 3: up to speed with or at least the young receivers 447 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: have to get up to speed with Kyler in reading coverages. 448 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 3: Because what are teams doing, especially Flores and now Mike 449 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 3: McDonald again disguising coverages. It's all the rage in the NFL. 450 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: I asked Marvin Harrison Junior earlier today, I said, has 451 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 3: any corner traveled with you all year? And he laughed. 452 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 3: He said, they don't do that in the NFL anymore. 453 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 3: He's a rookie and he knows that. Think of how 454 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 3: Patrick Peterson to always travel not too long ago with 455 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 3: the other team's number one receiver. Defenses don't do that 456 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: anymore because it's too much of a tell. Now it's 457 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 3: all about disguise, who's coming, who's covering, where they deployed 458 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: in what capacity they're really trying to get these offenses 459 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: to think. So with that in mind, isn't it rational 460 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 3: and logical that if you have young receivers, it's going 461 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 3: to be a process because they have to read a 462 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 3: defense much like the quarterback has to read the defense, 463 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 3: and you have to have that football IQ. 464 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: And you're thinking maybe a little bit too much, not 465 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: a lot, but you're thinking a little bit too much 466 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: even in the course of a play. Now, all of 467 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: a sudden, you're a half step slow. You're not quite 468 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: where you need to be. Because Paul, there's been a 469 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,719 Speaker 1: lot of talk, there's been a lot of talk all 470 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: season long about the impact Marvin Harrison Junior was going 471 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: to make this season expected to make, versus the impact 472 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: that he is making. And I guess it depends on 473 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: what numbers you'll look at. Yes, Marvin leads all rookie 474 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: receivers in touchdowns. He is fifth in receiving yards, He's 475 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: tied for fifth in receptions overall. He has the fifth 476 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: most touchdowns among any pass catchers with seven, and he 477 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: ranks eighteenth in yards per reception. But it's the yards 478 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: of separation, it's the catch percentage, it's the yards after catch. 479 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: Those numbers aren't great, specifically the catch percentage when you're 480 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: just over fifty two percent, which is not unlike Larry 481 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald his first rookie year. Went back and look, fitz 482 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: was a fifty point four percent catch percentage. Now that 483 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: was a different type of game back then, different quarterbacks. 484 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: But that means Jay's at fifty two point six. That 485 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: is unacceptable and I think Kyler would agree with that, 486 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: Marvin would agree with that. The question is why is 487 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: it the play call, the play execution Again, it's going 488 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: to take time. Yet at the same time, we were 489 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: expecting eleven hundred yards, twelve touchdowns and major impact out 490 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: of the gate, and really the only time we did 491 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: see that was once and that was against the La 492 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: rams I resemble. 493 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 3: That remark, I'm guilty of that all off seasons. I'm 494 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: just throwing it up there for you to the kid. 495 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 3: There's no doubt I was leading that parade. You know, Oh, 496 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 3: here comes Jamar Chase. Justin Jefferson rookie years, they both 497 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 3: had over fourteen hundred yards receiving, but then if he 498 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 3: had zoom outing. You look at NFL history, they are 499 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 3: by far the exception for a rookie receiver to come 500 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 3: in and have that sort of immediate Pro Bowl caliber 501 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: impact is very rare. Now. I did ask Jonathan Gannon 502 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 3: after the game in Minnesota the difference between Trey McBride 503 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 3: twelve catches on twelve targets Marvin Arison Junior five catches 504 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: on twelve targets. Back we talked about that over the 505 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 3: course of the game. Might even have stolen that question 506 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 3: off you, Craig, and his answer was, well, it's kind 507 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 3: of Apple's oranges because when you're throwing to the tight end, 508 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 3: it's gonna be more high percentage shorter throws. I will 509 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 3: say that A couple of weeks ago, Jonathan Ganning, coming 510 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 3: out of the by actually on his TV show, he said, 511 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: where would you like to see Marvin Rrison Junior be better? 512 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: Where can he be better with Kyler? And he said, 513 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 3: throws outside the numbers, inside the numbers, Marvin Arison Junior. 514 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 3: And I don't know what the numbers say, but the 515 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 3: coaches are really pleased with that. It's outside the numbers 516 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: where I think you're seeing some of the incompletions not 517 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 3: on the same page. Hence the back shoulder that I 518 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 3: just referenced, where he turned around late in a critical moment. 519 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: Definitely frustrating for the offense, frustrating for the quarterback. I 520 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: mentioned I read sea report Kyler took a long walk 521 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 3: down that white stripe that sideline when they when that 522 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 3: drive was over, because he knew that was a play 523 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 3: that easily could have perhaps should have been made. But 524 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 3: I'll say this, when you watched Justin Jefferson, what does 525 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 3: he have? There's a couple of things. And I talked 526 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 3: to some of the dvs after the game. This is 527 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 3: number one. He can stop on a dime. I mean 528 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: his athleticism, the yards after catch. Okay, we don't really 529 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 3: necessarily know with Marvin Harrison Junior. He didn't run the forty. 530 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 3: We were not really sure, so that's sort of to 531 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 3: be determined in my mind. But what Justin Jefferson does 532 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 3: have that's elite is the catch radius. And a lot 533 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 3: of dbs will say that makes it really difficult. He 534 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 3: catch a ball ten feet in the air, He catch 535 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 3: a ball diving into shoe tops, and there's no doubt 536 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior has that sort of ability potential. I 537 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 3: think that's in his game. We haven't completely seen it yet, 538 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 3: but I think at some point you will in the 539 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 3: last point I'll make, and I made this on the 540 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 3: air with Wolf on Monday, and I've heard it reiterated 541 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 3: elsewhere since then. But that's neither here nor there. The 542 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 3: fact that Trey McBride's rookie year had a really quiet 543 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 3: rookie year, shall we say, very unremarkable rookie year, and 544 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 3: look at him now. So different players are in different timelines. 545 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 3: I haven't lost confidence in what Marvin Harrison Junior can be, 546 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 3: but look, I think the reality you're gonna agree or disagree. 547 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 3: He's never gonna lead the league in separation. He's not 548 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 3: that sort of receiver. He's gonna have to learn because 549 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 3: I don't think you get a lot of contested catches 550 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 3: in college. He's gonna have to learn his bread and 551 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 3: butter to make a living in the NFL on the 552 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 3: contested catch, at least against one and maybe sometimes two 553 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 3: different defenders, because he will get extra attention. 554 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: Fits didn't have a lot of separation. So it goes 555 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: back to, all right, the quarterback, the trust that the 556 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: quarterback has in throwing the ball to a spot that 557 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: the receiver is gonna go and get, and the quarterback 558 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: trusting that it's either going to be caught or it's 559 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: an incompletion not an interception. So that's something that Kyler's 560 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: got to work with Marvin, and then Marvin with those 561 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: contested catches, be a little bit more physical. Heard that 562 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: a couple of different times on the broadcast with Passion Wolf, 563 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: as far as when the ball's in his hands, making 564 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: sure he secures it, or just a little bit extra fighting. 565 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it is a physical sport. You can't get 566 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: too rowdy out there, but there is enough pushing and 567 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: shoving between receiver and dB to where you have to 568 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: know your limits. As far as okay, if I just 569 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: do a little push or a half shove, or I'm 570 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: turning my shoulder or showing my back just to kind 571 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: of get that window a little bit more open for 572 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: the quarterback to throw too. Again, all things that Marvin 573 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: will have to learn. It's just the timetable that we 574 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: all anticipated or hoped in the offseason was, Okay, this 575 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: is gonna come out of the gate, number one wide receiver, 576 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: this offense is gonna score thirty points a game, and 577 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: it just hasn't been there. It's been a real struggle, 578 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: and I think That's where the frustration has come in 579 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: because what we thought we were gonna see, we haven't 580 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: seen it enough times. 581 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 3: Here I get it. And while you've been talking, behind you, 582 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 3: NFL Network has this Fantasy Football show and they had 583 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 3: this whole highlight reel of Trey McBride. Trey mcplayed behind you, 584 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 3: and you just realized this the intensity in the velocity 585 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 3: with which he plays the game and sort of like 586 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 3: what Trey Benson learned from James Connor here mid season, 587 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 3: what you see in Trey McBride, which what I think 588 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 3: if you see in Michael Wilson a really physical receiver 589 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 3: who's not gonna get a ton of separation, Marvin Harrison 590 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 3: Junior can learn a lot from watching those sorts of 591 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 3: players and incorporate that into his game. Look, not many 592 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 3: receivers are and Kwan Bolden, they're not gonna go out 593 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: there with the mentality of a Ray Lewis right and 594 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 3: play the game like a middle linebacker. That was cute. 595 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: I mean it was frightening, how just almost psychotic he 596 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: was in physical and angry the way he played the game. 597 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 3: And Kwan Bolden, that's not gonna be Marvin Harrison Junior 598 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 3: but today's point, sure, there's room to be a little 599 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 3: more physical, and you're gonna need to be. Look at 600 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: the corners you're going against just this week. Rieke Willen 601 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: is six ' four. Devin Witherspoon, a former number five 602 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 3: pick overall just last year, one of the hardest hitting 603 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 3: DB's in the game. He's really physical. He plays a 604 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 3: hard nosed brand of football. Think of some of the 605 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: corners that he's gone against so far this year. At 606 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 3: Jalen Johnson, who, by the way, the Bears corner really 607 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson. Two weeks ago. I talked to guys and say, 608 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 3: you know, he did a lot of that on his own. 609 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 3: There was a lot of one on one Jalen Johnson 610 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 3: just won against Justin Jefferson. Not to mention to Jalen Ramsey. Now, 611 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm forgetting some of the other corners he's 612 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 3: gone against so far this year that are just elite players. 613 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 3: So he's got a real education and he's been wide 614 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 3: receiver from day one, you know, wide receiver one from 615 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 3: day one. And I do believe that you know, there's 616 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 3: gonna come that breakout game because we even though we've 617 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 3: seen big games against the rams. You saw a big 618 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 3: game against the Dolphins. Those are big moments, big quarters, 619 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 3: big halves. You know. I think we're still waiting for 620 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 3: that big, entire breakout game both halves where he is 621 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: a factor and he is the primary game changer. I 622 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 3: think that's still in his arsenal. 623 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: We do you need to play on third down? Throw 624 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: it to eighteen, we need a touchdown target eighteen. But 625 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: it's the first quarter, second quarter, third fourth quarter of 626 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: those money moments that you like to talk about as 627 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: far as Okay, get that first down, extend the drive, 628 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: and then get into the end zone consistently, not just 629 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: in a fifteen minute or a thirty minute period. So 630 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: I think that's something to look forward to. And keep 631 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: in mind that first meeting against the Seahawks, they just 632 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: looked it up. Marvin targeted six times three catches, So again, 633 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: that fifty catch percentage that's got to go way up. 634 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 3: I'll say this, you watched the last two games really closely, 635 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 3: is would it be accurate to say that we could 636 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 3: boil down the difference in the loss at Seattle the 637 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 3: loss at Minnesota to the fact that in those gotta 638 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 3: have it moments, the Seahawks and Vikings defenses were very 639 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 3: effective at speeding up the Cardinals offense, and the Cardinals 640 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 3: defense didn't have the same effectiveness in the gotta have 641 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 3: it moments, especially the fourth quarter of both games, in 642 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 3: speeding up Gino Smith and Sam Darnold that they either 643 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 3: found a way to extend the play or they just 644 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 3: had too much time in the pocket to make a play, 645 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 3: whereas the Seahawks Vikings defense was able to really speed 646 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 3: things off via blitz penetration, you know, just getting to 647 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 3: Kyler and making him get rid of the ball before 648 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 3: he wanted to. To me, that might have been the 649 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 3: biggest deciding factor in the outcome of both games. 650 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: Because it comes down to those final fifteen minutes, or 651 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: in the case of both games, it was even fewer 652 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: than that. It was the last five minutes. I mean, 653 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: as far as getting the defense to get a stop 654 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: or the offense get the ball in Kyler's hands one 655 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: more time and unable to finish, you know, a minute 656 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: thirteen to go in three timeouts. That's plenty of times 657 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: quarterback like Kyler Murray to do what elite quarterbacks are 658 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: supposed to do, whether that's get a touchdown or get 659 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: into field goal range. It just wasn't there. There was 660 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: the sacking and you're going behind the sticks, and then 661 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: not that they panicked, but to your point is like 662 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: things get sped up because you feel like you have 663 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: to rush even though maybe you don't. You look at 664 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: the time, you got some timeouts, and it just never 665 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: materialized last week. 666 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,719 Speaker 3: And Kyler said it to the media earlier today. You know, 667 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,719 Speaker 3: those best players are at their best when it matters most. 668 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 3: That's why he was so disappointed with the outcome in Minnesota. 669 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 3: And the Cardinals had that stretch there, the four game 670 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 3: winning streak where they did it. They came back to 671 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 3: beat the forty nine ers on the road, and they 672 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 3: did it late. They won at Miami obviously, so there 673 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 3: were games where they did win late, they did make 674 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 3: the plays, They were the better team in the money moments. 675 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 3: Now you have to do it against Seattle. Now you 676 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 3: got to figure out a way to stop Leonard Williams. 677 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: I mean this guy, by the way, I thought the 678 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: first meeting against the Seahawks, I thought that was a 679 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: one off pall, Like he had not done anything to 680 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: that extent as far as filling up the stat sheet 681 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 1: since twenty eighteen. Oh yet he almost no, he did. 682 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: He repeated it, plus added a pick six and a 683 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: blocked extra point. By the way, the NFC's defensive player 684 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: of the Week, Leonard Williams didn't win it against the Cardinals, 685 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: but does win it against Aaron Rodgers and the Jets. 686 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 3: All right, here's my question. While I'm talking, maybe you 687 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 3: can check, because you know the site to go to 688 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 3: is Leonard Williams in a contract year. 689 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. I think it was 690 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: this past offseason. He just signed a three year deal 691 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 1: with Okay, let me look it up, but I believe 692 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a contract here. 693 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Kudo's a big cat. I'm just wondering where this 694 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 3: comes from. To your point, he had two and a 695 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 3: half sacks all season going into the first Cardinals game, 696 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 3: and he had two and a half sacks in that game. 697 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 3: He had two more sacks last week against the Jets. 698 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 3: He had a block kick. Against the Jets, he had 699 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 3: a ninety two yard pick six where Mike McDonald told 700 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 3: the radio crew on Monday morning that the next Gen 701 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 3: stats had him at over seventeen miles per hour at 702 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: six five three ten running down the sideline all the 703 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: way to the end zone. He said he was looking 704 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 3: for somebody at pitch it too. He didn't need no 705 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 3: stinking pitch man. He housed that himself. So now he 706 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 3: comes in and what's We talked to brock Hewart about 707 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 3: this Seattle analyst okay, and he said, what Mike McDonald 708 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 3: has been doing is he's been moving him along the 709 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 3: interior oh line, sometimes out to the edge as well. 710 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 3: They're picking out you can pick the name for it, 711 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 3: the fish, the donkey, the liability. They're picking out the 712 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,439 Speaker 3: player that they think he's gonna excel against, and they're 713 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 3: moving him over. That guy, not unlike what the Rams 714 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 3: used to do with Aaron Donald. Another ninety nine. Remember 715 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 3: last year Paris Johnson Junior went into the first matchup 716 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 3: against the Rams and he said to himself, man, I 717 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 3: hope I get a few reps against Aaron Donald. Just 718 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 3: don't want to test myself test my metal. That's kind 719 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 3: of guy, Paris Johnson Junior is And he said, first series, boom, 720 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 3: Aaron Donald comes out, taps the defensive line and down 721 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 3: the line and lines up directly over Paris Johnson Junior. 722 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 3: And right at that moment, he said, well, this is 723 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,959 Speaker 3: a welcome to NFL moment. I'm gonna have to prove 724 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 3: myself against the Hall of Famer. Here we go. Let's ball. 725 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: By the way, just looked it up. Yeah, it was 726 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: this past offseason three years sixty four and a half 727 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: million dollars. So you've got this season plus twenty twenty 728 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: five and twenty twenty six in which you've got to 729 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: deal with a new ninety nine within the NFC West. 730 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: Unless this is just a not a one off, but 731 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: a one season that Leonard Williams is doing it. Because again, 732 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: even up until that game against the Seahawks a couple 733 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, he'd been good, but he hadn't been great. 734 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: But he's been elite the past two weeks. 735 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 3: All right, So a couple of quick thoughts, are you 736 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 3: going with Evan Brown and Tristan Cologne as your two 737 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 3: starting guards in this game? What other options do you have? 738 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 3: You know, obviously in Seattle, and we said it after 739 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 3: the game. I said it in the second half of 740 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 3: that game when Leonard Williams was destroying the game. And 741 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 3: that's not us, that's the head coach after the game said, 742 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 3: ninety nine wreck the game. That was the first game 743 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 3: where we really missed will Hernandez. You know you're starting 744 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 3: right guard. It was having a career year by all accounts. 745 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 3: So now what do you do Isaiah Adams? Does the 746 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 3: third round rookie get some more reps? There is a 747 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 3: line of thinking Craig that he's bigger, he's longer, he's 748 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 3: athletic as a young maybe he's more equipped to battle 749 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 3: Leonard Williams. Now he probably could use an offseason in 750 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 3: the squad rack, but you know, in terms of having 751 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 3: the technique, in the athleticism, maybe he's a better matchup 752 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 3: for Leonard Williams in this. So one of the first 753 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 3: things I'm gonna look at when the Cardinals go out 754 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 3: on their first offensive possession, what is the personnel in 755 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 3: the interior offensive line? Don't expect Kelvin Beach and be 756 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 3: playing guard. I already asked that dumb question and got 757 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 3: lapped out of the room. That's not gonna happen, So 758 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 3: we'll see exactly. But beyond that, there's only so much 759 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 3: you can do in personnel. What is the plan. You 760 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 3: gotta be able to run the ball and run it 761 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,720 Speaker 3: at him. You got to unlocked James Connor eight yards 762 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 3: on seven carries, lowest performance rushing wise of his career, 763 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 3: going back to his rookie year twenty seventeen. What sort 764 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 3: of adjustments will you make can you make in the 765 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 3: run game in the rematch against Seattle. 766 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: By the way, Adams played one series in Minnesota and 767 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: was pulled from that series after a holding call on 768 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 1: what was the Chad Ryland thirty one yard field goal 769 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: to make it six to three. So I don't know again, Okay, 770 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: is he ready? I mean, physically you. 771 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 3: Can say it. It's a I. 772 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: Had seen Isaiah Adams play sporadically this season, come in 773 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: and spell Tristan Colone, and then there's other games where 774 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: it's just Colonne the entire time. I do like as 775 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: we go full circle here on Cardinals Cover two. As 776 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: far as what you brought up about Kelvin Beacham being 777 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: that sixth offensive lineman, No, he's not gonna play inside, 778 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: but you've got another body in there to maybe pull 779 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: or give a little bit more obstacles in front of 780 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: James Connor, Trey Benson or Kyler Murray. 781 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 3: I mean, if you're gonna go with an Aaron Donald 782 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 3: game plan, there were times where three different offensive linemen 783 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 3: made him their priority. So if you're going with a 784 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 3: six oer lineman front and everyone's sliding half the line, 785 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 3: sliding towards ninety nine, I wouldn't be shocked. I mean, 786 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 3: there's got to be opportunities elsewhere. We'll see. We know 787 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 3: the Cardinals love to well run twelve and thirteen personnel, 788 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 3: multiple tight ends, and obviously if you put a Calvin 789 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 3: Beacham in there, you eliminate the threat of a pass, 790 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 3: and so it can be a bit of a tell. 791 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 3: And you know, Cardinals like to be more multiple than that, 792 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 3: and and not maybe you know, be as obvious and 793 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,919 Speaker 3: telegraph things. But but you're gonna have to figure out 794 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 3: a way to get James Connor more involved and more 795 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 3: productive in this game. I mean, that can't be any 796 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 3: more of a captain obvious point than unless they have 797 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 3: some other crazy game plan in mind. That was something 798 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,439 Speaker 3: the Seahawks did really well two weeks ago. 799 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: Let's hope the rematch has a different outcome than what 800 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: we saw a couple of weeks back in Seattle. Again, 801 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: Cardinals and Seahawks. It is Week fourteen, and they will 802 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,439 Speaker 1: be just nice to be at home at State Farm Stadium, Paul, 803 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,760 Speaker 1: It's been nearly a full calendar month since the Cardinals 804 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: last played at State Farm Stadium November tenth against the Jets, 805 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: and this Sunday, December eighth. 806 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, I want to put Seattle on the 807 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 3: concert Tour Revenge Tour t shirt. Okay, So you already 808 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 3: got the Niners, you already got the Rams. You're hoping 809 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 3: maybe you get a shot at this Minnesota streak in 810 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 3: the playoffs. Maybe knock on wood over here. So Seattle 811 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 3: you're next. You got this winning streak against the Cardinals, 812 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 3: gino as a winning streak, Yes, against the Cardinals and Kyler. 813 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 3: So it all needs to come to an end at home. 814 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 3: Red Sea Bird Gang bring it. Put Seattle's offense, that 815 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 3: inferior offensive line into the silent count, and let's see 816 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 3: how things go for them. 817 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: Not only the Cardinals back home, but they're back in black. 818 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 1: They'll be wearing their black uniforms, as we got a 819 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: little hints of it on Wednesday, as the team is 820 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: practicing in their black comets. So I don't know if 821 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: that means anything you pulled you typically wear what the 822 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: Cardinals are wearing, or were something different. So when we 823 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 1: look to spot you from the press box. We could 824 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: go ahead, there is there's the sideline reporter. 825 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 3: As you know, Craig, we're members of the media. We 826 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 3: do everything we can to not be part of the 827 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 3: story where we cover the story. We don't want to 828 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 3: be part of the story. So yes, I will try 829 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 3: and wear whatever the Cardinals are wearing to match things, 830 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 3: so I blend into the sideline. That was a problem 831 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 3: at Seattle, where my only choice of attire was an 832 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 3: all red rain suit, and I got a text from 833 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 3: the wife second half she decided she doesn't know football 834 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 3: from a football. I'm not sure why she was even 835 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,840 Speaker 3: watching the game, but she watched long enough and saw 836 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 3: me in the side of one of the camera shots 837 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 3: and and then rip me for looking like a looking 838 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 3: like a diminutive Santa Claus in my all red Santa rainsuits. 839 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 3: So you know whatever I at this point, Craig, I've 840 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 3: been doing it so long. You just gotta stay warm, 841 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 3: you just gotta stay dry. That's the only objective here. 842 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: Well, the good news is it's a home. There's a roof. 843 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: Although I said that once before and it's still right 844 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: in State Farm Stadium, hailed so let's hope that everything 845 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: is on the up and up come Sunday when the 846 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: Cardinals host the Seahawks in the rematch in what is 847 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,959 Speaker 1: a big, big game for all parties, but certainly big 848 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: for the Cardinals themselves. And on that note, we'll put 849 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: a lit on. This edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented 850 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: by Hyundai, proudly partner of the Arizona Cardinals, has always 851 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,240 Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim Mamahundro, our associate 852 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: producer Cuddie Fincher. For Paul Calvic, I'm Pregriolu. We'll talk 853 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two,