WEBVTT - Tech News: Facebook Locks Out Users

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and held the Tech Area. It is time for the

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<v Speaker 1>tech news for March twenty two, thousand and twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Tuesday, and you know, most of the time I

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<v Speaker 1>talk about how people practice bad security behaviors and etiquette online.

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<v Speaker 1>That that's kind of a common thing to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>in tech in general. Is just that people tend to

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<v Speaker 1>be the weakest link in any security system, and way

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<v Speaker 1>too many people are very bad at protecting themselves digitally.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, that's how fishing attacks are a thing, right

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<v Speaker 1>That attack depends upon the targets not being cautious enough

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid getting scammed, and some fishing it acts can

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<v Speaker 1>be really sophisticated. But here's the thing, they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be, right Like, even an unsophisticated phishing attack is

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<v Speaker 1>going to find a few hits. The more sophisticated is

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<v Speaker 1>the more likely it's going to get hits. But then

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<v Speaker 1>the more time you're spending developing your attack. However, there

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<v Speaker 1>are also people who actually use a bit more restraint

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<v Speaker 1>they are a little more cautious, and then sometimes it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out that they weren't getting scammed at all, and

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<v Speaker 1>instead they find themselves locked out of their Facebook accounts.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So at the heart of the story is

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<v Speaker 1>that Facebook has the Facebook Protect initiative, and and this

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<v Speaker 1>project that's spearheaded by Facebook was really aiming to convince

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook users whom the company had identified as being particularly

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable to attack, to enable extra security measures stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>two factor authentication, to protect their accounts from being compromised.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're talking about people who are you know, high

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<v Speaker 1>profile individuals like activists or journalists or politicians. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>people that could easily be targeted by bad actors. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the the folks who have ill intentions to use those

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<v Speaker 1>accounts to spread misinformation or to otherwise cause harm. So

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook said, you know, these are high value targets. We

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<v Speaker 1>want to let them know. We want them to switch

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<v Speaker 1>over to these enhanced security measures to protect them and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody else from them getting compromised. So they send out

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<v Speaker 1>an email saying that these users need to turn on

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<v Speaker 1>the Facebook Protect feature or else they would get locked

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<v Speaker 1>out of their accounts. Now, the email included a link

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<v Speaker 1>to turn that feature on an active link inside an email. However,

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<v Speaker 1>the email also came from an address that was called

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<v Speaker 1>security at Facebook mail dot com. Now, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about you, but if I had received this email, and

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't, but if I had, I definitely would have

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<v Speaker 1>second thoughts on clicking on any kind of link contained

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<v Speaker 1>in a message coming from that address, because it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>us right like. It does not sound like that. You

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<v Speaker 1>would expect it to come from Facebook dot com, not

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook mail dot com. So that immediately would raise red

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<v Speaker 1>flags in my mind. I would think, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not legit, this is a phishing attack. So there were

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<v Speaker 1>some other folks who felt the same way. Plus that

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<v Speaker 1>email address probably ended up having messages get sent to

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<v Speaker 1>junk folders in a lot of cases. So either people

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people didn't see the message, or they

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<v Speaker 1>rightly suspected or not rightly, they understandably success suspected that

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<v Speaker 1>the message was in fact a phishing attack. They did

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<v Speaker 1>not activate these protect features, and then last week they

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<v Speaker 1>found them selves locked out of their Facebook accounts, apparently

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<v Speaker 1>for at least a subsection of those who got locked out.

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<v Speaker 1>The steps they then received to take in order to

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<v Speaker 1>regain access and to enable Facebook Protect didn't work, So

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't happen to everybody who got locked out. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>people were able to appeal to Facebook and then start

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<v Speaker 1>going through the process to recover their accounts and to

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<v Speaker 1>enable Facebook Protect. At least for a few that didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>So the company has issued a statement saying it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to work with those particular users to address the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And just to be clear, I actually think Facebook was

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<v Speaker 1>taking a good approach here. I think that this was merited.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's important to enable to factor authentication. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I think everybody should be enabling to factor authentication for

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<v Speaker 1>platforms like Facebook. But definitely if you're someone who could

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<v Speaker 1>you know, more likely be targeted by hackers and other

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<v Speaker 1>bad actors, you absolutely should enable that. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that Facebook was coming from a good place in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel the method of carrying out the initiative

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<v Speaker 1>was maybe not thought through enough. Meanwhile, Apple continues to

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<v Speaker 1>be hit with fines from regulators in the Netherlands. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've been listening to my tech News episodes recently, you

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<v Speaker 1>are probably aware that Dutch regulators were demanding that Apple

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<v Speaker 1>allow third party payment methods within apps on iOS devices,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically within dating apps, although you could extrapolate that to

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<v Speaker 1>be I mean other apps as well, but they were

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<v Speaker 1>specifically talking about dating apps and that for dating apps

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<v Speaker 1>that have in app purchases there should be alternatives to

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<v Speaker 1>Apple's own payment system. Now, Apple has of course been

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<v Speaker 1>resisting these kind of of moves all over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Right in the United States, there have been court cases

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<v Speaker 1>that have targeted Apple for very similar reasons, with the

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<v Speaker 1>company then appealing decisions. I mean, you know, courts have

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<v Speaker 1>decided against Apple, and Apple has appealed those decisions and

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<v Speaker 1>continues to argue that its own approach, which requires that

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<v Speaker 1>all in app purchases go through Apple's own payment system,

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<v Speaker 1>is actually there to protect users and isn't somehow anti competitive. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The Dutch regulators disagreed, saying no, it absolutely is anti competitive,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, Apple, when proposing changes, has has failed

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<v Speaker 1>to satisfy the regulators. So far, Apple has been found

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<v Speaker 1>guilty of failing to meet those standards for nine weeks

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<v Speaker 1>in a row and has accrued forty five million euro

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<v Speaker 1>worth of fines. Now, the regular leaders are actually only

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<v Speaker 1>authorized to find a total of fifty million euro. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's the cap, so Apple has one more week to

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<v Speaker 1>go before it maxes out the fine, assuming that company

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<v Speaker 1>continues to fail to meet regulators demands. Um As an

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<v Speaker 1>example of something that Apple did that did not satisfy

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<v Speaker 1>the regulators, the company allowed for alternative payment systems on

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<v Speaker 1>in app purchases for dating apps in the Netherlands. However,

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<v Speaker 1>the company also demanded a twenty seven commission on all

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<v Speaker 1>in app sales. So yes, you could, if you were

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<v Speaker 1>an app developer, go with a third party payment system,

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<v Speaker 1>but you would have to surrender of your your of

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<v Speaker 1>each sale to Apple, and that would mean that using

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<v Speaker 1>a third party payment processing system would end up being

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<v Speaker 1>more expensive than just using Apple's own method, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a move that the Dutch regulators identified as being anti competitive.

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<v Speaker 1>As I'll get out and I happen to agree. If

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<v Speaker 1>your policy that is supposed to allow for fair competition

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<v Speaker 1>makes anyone who engages in that that approach how have

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<v Speaker 1>to pay more than your method, then you're not really

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<v Speaker 1>making it competitive, right, You're still using your your power,

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<v Speaker 1>your leverage. Two, you know, push people into your own aisle,

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<v Speaker 1>your own pathway. And even if they don't, if they

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<v Speaker 1>do go with a third party you still get instead

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<v Speaker 1>of of every and app transaction. It's pretty ridiculous. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if Apple's proposals failed to satisfy the regulators, in the

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<v Speaker 1>future of the company will be hit with the max

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<v Speaker 1>fifty million euro fine and the stage will be set

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<v Speaker 1>for a lawsuit that will pit Apple against the regulatory

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<v Speaker 1>body in the Netherlands. And considering that's kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>Apple is doing in other parts of the world, it

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<v Speaker 1>might well be that that was Apple's plan all along.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't work at Apple, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from the outside, that's kind of what it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>switching over to Google. The company reached a settlement agreement

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<v Speaker 1>with six former employees who claimed that they were the

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<v Speaker 1>targets of retaliation after they attempted to lead employee organization

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<v Speaker 1>efforts at Google. Specifically, three of the employees had organized

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<v Speaker 1>against Google's projects with the U S Customs and Border

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<v Speaker 1>Protection Agency, you know, like circulating UH surveys and documents

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<v Speaker 1>to other employees to kind of gauge resistance to Google's

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<v Speaker 1>agreement to work with US Customs and Border Protection. And

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<v Speaker 1>they say that they were subsequently fired in retaliation for

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<v Speaker 1>leading those efforts. Details of the settlement remain private, so

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know how much money is changing hands here. Google,

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<v Speaker 1>like many companies we've talked about in recent months, has

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<v Speaker 1>been accused numerous times of trying to discourage employees from

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<v Speaker 1>organizing in various ways. But as we have seen recently,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a general movement, particularly here in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>that is building around unionization and organization and employee empowerment. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's possible that Google will end up just encouraging more

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<v Speaker 1>employee organization efforts in the future. Um Typically that seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be what happens is that the harder they clamped down,

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<v Speaker 1>the more people want to resist. And on another Google story,

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<v Speaker 1>the U S Department of Justice alleges that Google makes

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<v Speaker 1>it a practice to train employees on using legal counsel

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<v Speaker 1>as a shield against sharing business communications. So essentially, what

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<v Speaker 1>the d o J is saying here is that when

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<v Speaker 1>Google wants to make sure that certain internal communications remain

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<v Speaker 1>confidential and within company control, they tag that with a

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<v Speaker 1>request for legal advice. So even documents that would not

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<v Speaker 1>need any kind of legal advice at all, at least

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<v Speaker 1>according to the allegations, would get this tag on them,

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<v Speaker 1>and by getting that tag and sending the communications onto

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<v Speaker 1>legal counsel makes the communication a legal matter and the

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<v Speaker 1>subject of attorney client privilege, and as such, uh, they

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<v Speaker 1>could be withheld from discovery. I mean, it's attorney client privilege.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not something that gets shared beyond those two parties.

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<v Speaker 1>So the d o J is saying this isn't a

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate use of legal consultation, that in many cases legal

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<v Speaker 1>counsel never responded to any request for advice because there

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<v Speaker 1>was never a an actual earnest request, that it was

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<v Speaker 1>really just a way to kind of sidestep any investigative abilities.

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<v Speaker 1>So the d o J says that Google has been

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<v Speaker 1>relying on this method since at least two thousand fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and the d o J is seeking to sanction Google

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<v Speaker 1>and compel the company to share quote all withheld or

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<v Speaker 1>redacted emails where no attorney responded to the purported request

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<v Speaker 1>for legal advice end quote. Now, Google, for its part,

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<v Speaker 1>denies the allegation that it improperly relied on legal counsel.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll have to see where this goes next. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got several more stories to go before we get there.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a quick break. Washington, d C aka the

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<v Speaker 1>District of Columbia is suing the food delivery service grub Hub,

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that the company engages in deceptive trade practices in

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<v Speaker 1>violation of the District of Columbia's Consumer Protection Procedures Act. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the d C Attorney General has said that grub Hub

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<v Speaker 1>was adding in a ton of hidden fees and also listening,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, numerous restaurants that didn't actually have a contract

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<v Speaker 1>agreement with Grubhub. So, in other words, grubhub was advertising

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<v Speaker 1>that it had access to restaurants that it had not

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<v Speaker 1>made any kind of contract with. That could lead to

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<v Speaker 1>incidents where business rejects an online order because it never

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<v Speaker 1>created that relationship, which obviously has an adverse effect on

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<v Speaker 1>the customer. I have used a food delivery service a

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<v Speaker 1>few times during the pandemic, a few being a drastic understatement,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've encountered similar things, and I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's an honest mistake or if it's similar

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<v Speaker 1>to what is going on in the District of Columbia.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the Attorney General. Grub Hub also, according to

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<v Speaker 1>the accusations, pumped up the prices for restaurant items, So

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, you would be spending more to buy

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<v Speaker 1>that burrito through grub Hub than you would if you

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<v Speaker 1>just went to the restaurant just for the base price, um.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's before you factor in all the other fees

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<v Speaker 1>that grubhub throws in, like the delivery fees and service

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<v Speaker 1>fees and whatnot. So the base burrito cost alone would

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<v Speaker 1>be higher than you would find in the restaurant. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure that's true across nearly all third party

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<v Speaker 1>delivery services. I've definitely, at least, you know, in my

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<v Speaker 1>own experience, I've observed this is the case where I

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<v Speaker 1>know the price of a thing at a restaurant and

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<v Speaker 1>I look at it on delivery services, and it's typically

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<v Speaker 1>at least a couple of bucks more expensive there. And

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of other parts to this lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 1>to including an accusation that grub hub has created websites that,

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<v Speaker 1>at least on the surface, appear to belong to specific restaurants,

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<v Speaker 1>but in fact they redirect customers to grub Hub's own services,

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<v Speaker 1>and that further, these sites can leave people with the

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<v Speaker 1>implication that there's no other way to get a delivery

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<v Speaker 1>ordered from that specific restaurant, when that might not be

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<v Speaker 1>the case. There may be cases where restaurants have their

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<v Speaker 1>own delivery services or they rely upon some independent group

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<v Speaker 1>and that you can order directly from them, but according

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<v Speaker 1>to the lawsuit, Grubhub's approach is to try and and

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<v Speaker 1>uh overshadow those so that people go through Grubhub instead.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen similar complaints raised against Google's order online option

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<v Speaker 1>in search results, and there's no question that the delivery

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<v Speaker 1>industry has adopted some let's call them questionable business practices,

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<v Speaker 1>but it remains to be seen if they go far

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<v Speaker 1>enough to be considered illegal. The identity authentication company oct

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<v Speaker 1>To announced that it might have experienced a data breach,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a big old yaalza. So Octa is a

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<v Speaker 1>business that provides authentication services to other businesses, big ones

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<v Speaker 1>like T Mobile UH. Companies outsource authentication to Octa and

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<v Speaker 1>then rely on Octa to verify that, say, an employee

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<v Speaker 1>is who they claim to be before they are allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to access whatever they're trying to access. So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of companies might use like their own VPN or virtual

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<v Speaker 1>private network for internal systems, and a company like Octa

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<v Speaker 1>can act as sort of like a bouncer. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's making sure that the people who are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>access those internal systems actually have the credentials saying they

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<v Speaker 1>can do it, or rather you know, authenticating that those

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<v Speaker 1>credentials are in fact legit. So, according to OCTA's CEO,

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<v Speaker 1>the company had identified an intrusion attempt back in January,

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<v Speaker 1>but contained the situation. He said that it did not

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<v Speaker 1>result in a massive breach. But meanwhile, a hacker group

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<v Speaker 1>called laps US where the last s there's it's l

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<v Speaker 1>A P S U S dollar sign because of course

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<v Speaker 1>it is. That group has claimed to be responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>the attack and did so in an effort to access

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<v Speaker 1>the systems of an Octa client, So, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>not to necessarily compromise Octa itself, but in order to

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<v Speaker 1>get at one of the clients that Octa services. According

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<v Speaker 1>to laps us, uh, the hackers are aren't part of

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<v Speaker 1>some cyber war group. They're not like a state sponsored

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<v Speaker 1>hacker group. They're just in it for the money, so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, honest crooks. In Israel, the Israeli National Cyber

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<v Speaker 1>Directorate issued a report that says sixties six thousand closed

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<v Speaker 1>circuit television systems in the country aren't very secure and

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<v Speaker 1>could be hacked relatively easily. In fact, hacked is being

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<v Speaker 1>too generous based upon what's going on here. Hacked is

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<v Speaker 1>is suggesting a level of effort that you really don't

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<v Speaker 1>even need to consider. Uh. And you know, there there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of drawbacks to living in a surveillance state, um,

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<v Speaker 1>which you could argue, you know, Israel could kind of

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<v Speaker 1>qualify for that. There are a lot of places in Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>they have a lot of CCTV systems. So one complaint

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<v Speaker 1>you might have of living in a surveillance state is

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<v Speaker 1>that big brother is watching you. But another is that

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<v Speaker 1>you aren't sure who is watching you, but you're pretty

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<v Speaker 1>darn sure you're being watched. And that's the case here right.

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<v Speaker 1>So according to the directorate, the problem stems from a

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<v Speaker 1>dead simple solution. Uh. The systems all come with like

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<v Speaker 1>default login and passwords so that you can you know,

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<v Speaker 1>administrate the system. And apparently tons of people who install

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<v Speaker 1>these systems never bothered to go in and change the

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<v Speaker 1>default loggin it. So maybe you've heard security experts advocate

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, you change your standard logging and password

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<v Speaker 1>for your home network, for your you know, your router,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, and that's a very good idea because there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of equipment manufacturers, not as many now

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<v Speaker 1>as there used to be, but still happens. But there

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<v Speaker 1>are manufacturers that rely on a relatively small number of

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<v Speaker 1>default passwords. So if a hacker knows this, and a

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<v Speaker 1>hacker has a dictionary list of all the known default passwords,

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<v Speaker 1>they can attempt to gain administrative level access to your

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<v Speaker 1>network pretty quickly, like if you haven't changed it, then

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<v Speaker 1>it's just you know, a brute force attack can be

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<v Speaker 1>pretty darn fast if if it's a fairly small list

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<v Speaker 1>of possible passwords. So that same issue is in play

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<v Speaker 1>with these CCTV systems in Israel, and those are meant

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<v Speaker 1>to provide physical security, so clearly they're failing in their purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>If the people who are using them haven't changed those passwords,

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot be certain that system is secure. If someone

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<v Speaker 1>can access it just by using a default password right there,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's no security at all. It could lead to

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<v Speaker 1>an Ocean's eleven kind of high situation where thieves compromise

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<v Speaker 1>the security system by typing in a default password and

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<v Speaker 1>then disabling or otherwise interfering with the system while they

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<v Speaker 1>rob a place blind and in the movies that could

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<v Speaker 1>be really fun and exciting, but in the real world

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<v Speaker 1>it is totally not plus. I mean, folks could compromise

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<v Speaker 1>systems for a much more violent and tragic reasons, and

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<v Speaker 1>that would be truly terrible. So the reason why the

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<v Speaker 1>director even made this pronouncement of the fact that there

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<v Speaker 1>are tens of thousands of potentially vulnerable systems in Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because they had actually been receiving reports from CCTV

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<v Speaker 1>owners that they had been hacked. So clearly a big problem,

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously the solution to that problem is not that difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>It just involves law ugging in as an administrator and

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<v Speaker 1>then changing the password information to something that's a strong

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<v Speaker 1>log in, you know as a strong password, something that

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to come up in a dictionary attack,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's going to discourage more than of all hacker attempts,

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<v Speaker 1>Like there is no such thing as a hack proof

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<v Speaker 1>system that does not exist. But the more difficult you

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<v Speaker 1>make it for someone from outside to access your system,

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<v Speaker 1>the fewer people are actually gonna go through the trouble

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<v Speaker 1>of seeing it through all the way, especially if you're

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<v Speaker 1>in a target rich environment where you might say, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they changed the password, but the place next door didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's just target them instead. I mean, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the where Israel is seeing itself right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla opened its first European Giga factory today. Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 1>was on hand in Germany for the event and the

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<v Speaker 1>company delivered thirty model y SUVs two customers in the

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<v Speaker 1>region as part of the celebration. Tesla had a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of an uphill battle getting this giga factory online. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It faced numerous questions about the environmental impact of the facility,

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<v Speaker 1>something that some people might find ironic. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all about developing electric vehicles, which at least you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in in use, should be uh more environmentally friendly than

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<v Speaker 1>internal combustion engines, But you still have to build out

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<v Speaker 1>the facilities to make them, and that itself can have

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<v Speaker 1>a tremendous environmental impact. Musk and his team sort of

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<v Speaker 1>dismissed the environmental concerns, saying that they would be using

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<v Speaker 1>up very little water in the region. Um And The

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<v Speaker 1>Verge has an article about this that has a bit

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<v Speaker 1>that actually made me laugh out loud when I read it,

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<v Speaker 1>namely that in order to build the giga factory in Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla first had to clear a forest. However, the article

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<v Speaker 1>states Musk and company said that was fine because the

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<v Speaker 1>forest was or wasn't natural, quote unquote wasn't natural. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a natural forest. Now. I don't know if Musk

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<v Speaker 1>said that or if that's just how John Porter, who

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<v Speaker 1>wrote the article put it in their article, but that

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<v Speaker 1>wording made me laugh, that it wasn't a natural forest. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the meaning behind that was that the this forest was

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<v Speaker 1>planted by humans for the purposes of supplying raw materials

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<v Speaker 1>to a cardboard manufacturing facility. So that's what they mean

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<v Speaker 1>by it's not a natural forest. It wasn't a pre

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<v Speaker 1>existing forest. It was a group of trees that had

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<v Speaker 1>been planted by people expressly for the purposes of industry. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of Tesla clearing out an unnatural forest seems

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<v Speaker 1>right for a sci fi horror movie to me anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>It will take some time for the Giga factory to

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<v Speaker 1>scale up to full production, and Musk projected that the

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<v Speaker 1>facility will produce at most thirty thousand vehicles for the

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<v Speaker 1>first half of this year. The goal is to get

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<v Speaker 1>it up to producing as many as half a million

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles per year once it is going at full blast.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a couple more stories to cover before we

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<v Speaker 1>get to those, let's take another quick break. In an

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<v Speaker 1>effort to hold companies accountable for their impact on climate change,

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<v Speaker 1>the US Securities and Exchange Commission has proposed new rules

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<v Speaker 1>that would require publicly traded companies, as companies that have

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<v Speaker 1>their stock traded on some stock market, they will have to,

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<v Speaker 1>as part of their filings with the SEC, disclose their

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<v Speaker 1>greenhouse gas emissions each year um that includes indirect greenhouse

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<v Speaker 1>gas emissions. And to me, this makes total sense because

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<v Speaker 1>the US has a goal to cut emissions by more

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<v Speaker 1>than half by but in order for you to know

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not you hit that goal, you first have

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<v Speaker 1>to know how much you're emitted, right, Like, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to know the amount of greenhouse gas emissions in order

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<v Speaker 1>to judge whether or not you actually cut back by

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<v Speaker 1>half or really because it's more than half. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>say that one way or another if you have no metrics, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to have the metrics in place in order

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<v Speaker 1>for any kind of policy that that is meant to

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<v Speaker 1>achieve this goal to make any sense. So the rules

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<v Speaker 1>would also require companies to submit to third party consultants

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<v Speaker 1>to verify their numbers, so they couldn't just slap a

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<v Speaker 1>number on their SEC filing and have that be that.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to be verified by an outside party, one

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<v Speaker 1>that's not affiliated with the company itself. Uh, there are

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<v Speaker 1>some steps between now and when these rules might actually

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<v Speaker 1>become official, and they might not like that's there's no

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee here. So, for one thing, part of the SEC

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<v Speaker 1>process is to publish rules on its website, and at

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<v Speaker 1>that point, the general public has sixty days where they

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<v Speaker 1>can comment on those rules, so that includes people who

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<v Speaker 1>support or people who criticize the rules, and it even

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<v Speaker 1>supporters might have suggestions for ways to make the rules

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<v Speaker 1>more effective or more fair or or whatever. So that

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<v Speaker 1>process is there for sixty days, and after that the

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<v Speaker 1>SEC takes those comments into consideration. They might go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the drawing board and draft a new version of

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<v Speaker 1>the rules in light of the comments received, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it would go on to a final vote. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course we would likely see opposition to the rule from

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<v Speaker 1>the business sector and those who represent it like lobbyists

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<v Speaker 1>and certain politicians. So in other words, like even if

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<v Speaker 1>this does come to pass, it's likely that we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>various parties challenge it in a court of law arguing

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not it is you know, a legal set

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<v Speaker 1>of rules. So again, no guarantee that this will become

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<v Speaker 1>official or stay official. UM. I honestly think it's a

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 1>good first step because I feel like we really do

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<v Speaker 1>have to make some serious moves in order to mitigate

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<v Speaker 1>climate change. I mean, it's there's no way to stop

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<v Speaker 1>climate change at this point, and that that ship sailed

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<v Speaker 1>a long time ago, but we can still mitigate it.

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<v Speaker 1>We can still limit the extent of climate change, and

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<v Speaker 1>by extension, we can limit the damage that climate change

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<v Speaker 1>is going to do. I think everybody has a responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>to play a part in that, honestly, And I say

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<v Speaker 1>that as someone like I don't have kids. I do

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<v Speaker 1>have a couple of nieces who I adore, But I

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<v Speaker 1>really think that, you know, older generations owe it to

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<v Speaker 1>younger generations to make these kinds of changes in an

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<v Speaker 1>effort so that the planet that the younger generations, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when they take adulthood and they're taking leadership roles, that

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<v Speaker 1>they have something, they have something, they're there. So I

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm on a soapbox. I'll get off my soapbox,

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<v Speaker 1>But I think this SEC ruling is a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's important to hold companies accountable. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>just expect that they're going to do the right thing

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<v Speaker 1>just cause. There has to be this kind of of

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<v Speaker 1>system in place in order to make sure people and

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<v Speaker 1>companies are doing their part. Otherwise, um, we're playing a

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<v Speaker 1>very dangerous game. Finally, NASA says that we now know

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<v Speaker 1>of more than five thousand planets beyond our own Solar system. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously there have to be billions of planets out there.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, there are billions and billions, as Carl Sagan

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<v Speaker 1>would say, of stars, like they're billions of them. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and at least some of those stars. A good number

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:06.360
<v Speaker 1>of those stars are likely to have one or more

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>planets orbiting them, So by extension, there must be billions

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<v Speaker 1>of planets out there. However, knowing the statistical probability and

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 1>then actually having evidence of a planet orbiting a star,

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 1>those are two very different things. So while we should

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<v Speaker 1>expect to identify countless more exo planets in the years

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<v Speaker 1>to come, it's pretty cool to reflect on the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that we have so far identified more than five thousand

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 1>exo planets. We have discovered more than five thousand outs

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<v Speaker 1>at our own solar system. That is incredible to me. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no telling how many of those might inhabit the

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<v Speaker 1>Goldilocks zone around their respective stars. Uh. It's so called

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<v Speaker 1>the Goldilocks zone because it's not too far and not

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<v Speaker 1>too close to a star. Uh. It's the zone where

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<v Speaker 1>we would say a planet could inhabit and partly support

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<v Speaker 1>life as we know it here on Earth. Right, the

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<v Speaker 1>temperature wouldn't be too hot or too cold to allow say,

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<v Speaker 1>liquid water to be on the planet. Doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 1>liquid water is on the planet, just means that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if it were closer than we would know, all the

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<v Speaker 1>water would boil off it, or further away, all the

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<v Speaker 1>water would freeze. So it's in that just right zone.

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<v Speaker 1>And then on top of that, even if we did

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<v Speaker 1>magically know how many of those five thousand planets were

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<v Speaker 1>definitively within their Goldilocks zone, we wouldn't necessarily know if

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<v Speaker 1>any of those could or do support life. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is really neat to think about some other cool facts

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<v Speaker 1>about the planets that scientists have discovered. More than a

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<v Speaker 1>third of those five thousand planets are the size of

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<v Speaker 1>Neptune or Uranus. Both of those are about four times

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<v Speaker 1>larger than the Earth, so they're much bigger than Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that kind of makes sense that when you think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, Yeah, of course it's going to be easier

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<v Speaker 1>for us to detect planets that are larger. Right, small

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<v Speaker 1>our planets are gonna be a lot harder to detect.

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<v Speaker 1>Um a little less than a third of the discovered

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<v Speaker 1>planets are between the size of Earth and Neptune and

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<v Speaker 1>are considered to be rocky planets. So in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the kind of planet where we might expect to

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<v Speaker 1>find life if the conditions were just right, like if

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<v Speaker 1>it were in that Goldie Lug zone. And again doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily mean it even if there's water on the planet,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily mean there's life there. But there's the potential,

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<v Speaker 1>which is super neat. I think it's just a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of time before we eventually detect life on some other planet.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's going to be like super advanced

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<v Speaker 1>life necessarily, but you know, life in some fashion, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, multicellular or not. I think eventually that's

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<v Speaker 1>just a guarantee that we will find it, assuming that

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<v Speaker 1>we're still around, we will find it. Um, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think we're gonna be discovering any e t s out

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<v Speaker 1>there like nothing intelligent, least not anytime soon. We've been

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<v Speaker 1>listening for a while, although there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>arguments to be made about that that kind of can

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<v Speaker 1>explain why we haven't picked up any evidence of that

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<v Speaker 1>so far. But I'll have to dedicate a full episode

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<v Speaker 1>to that in the future. Maybe I'll get some of

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<v Speaker 1>the guys from Stuff they Don't Want You to Know

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<v Speaker 1>to come onto the show and talk about it from

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<v Speaker 1>a technical perspective. Uh, because I like them a lot

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<v Speaker 1>and it would be a lot of fun to have

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<v Speaker 1>them on and talk about aliens and stuff. Anyway, that's

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<v Speaker 1>it for today's episode. If you have suggestions for topics

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