WEBVTT - TechStuff By the Numbers (Stations)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech And recently Amazon canceled

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<v Speaker 1>their television series truth Seekers, which I thought of as

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a cross between Shaun of the Dead and

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<v Speaker 1>The X Files. So in the series, a cable technician

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<v Speaker 1>named Gus played by Nick Frost, is obsessed with ghost

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<v Speaker 1>hunting and he gradually indoctrinates his new partner, who says

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<v Speaker 1>his name is Elton John. He's played by Sampson Keo. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a cute show. It's a little odd in tone.

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<v Speaker 1>And the part that really applies to this episode, however,

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<v Speaker 1>is that one of the things that Gus fixates on

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<v Speaker 1>in the early episodes is a radio frequency playing a

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<v Speaker 1>numbers station. It's based off of an actual historical number

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<v Speaker 1>station that folks call the Lincolnshire Poacher. And here's what

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like, gree nine seven one five green nine

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<v Speaker 1>seven one hive green nine seven one hive. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>a real thing, or it was a real thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not the only such station out there. There have

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<v Speaker 1>been lots of numbers stations over the years, some using

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<v Speaker 1>different jingles to signal an incoming series of numbers. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of them have male voices, some use female voices, some

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<v Speaker 1>use children's voices. Some of them are in morse code,

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<v Speaker 1>some have people reciting not just numbers but letters and

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<v Speaker 1>code signals. A lot of them are super creepy, which

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<v Speaker 1>makes them really ideal for a show about paranormal investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>But while the supernatural stuff is fanciful nonsense, the numbers

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<v Speaker 1>stations are actually anchored in our real world. And while

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<v Speaker 1>tech Stuff did do an episode about numbers stations many

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<v Speaker 1>many years ago, I thought it would be good to

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<v Speaker 1>use numbers stations as a way to talk about not

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<v Speaker 1>just what they are, but also about short wave radio communications,

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<v Speaker 1>the physics of radio in general, and the process of

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<v Speaker 1>ciphering and encrypting information. So this is really gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a big overview, catch all kind of podcast. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>start off with radio itself. Radio wave are part of

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<v Speaker 1>the electromagnetic spectrum. Uh. They are there along with stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like microwaves, visible light, X rays, and gamma rays. All

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<v Speaker 1>of this is part of one big spectrum of electromagnetic radiation.

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<v Speaker 1>You could actually think of it all as different flavors

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<v Speaker 1>of light if you like. It's just that the slice

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<v Speaker 1>of light that we can see is a very small

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<v Speaker 1>slice of the overall spectrum. Now, specifically, radio waves are

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<v Speaker 1>in the long wavelength part of that spectrum. Electromagnetic radiation

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<v Speaker 1>moves in waves all at the speed of light, because hey,

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<v Speaker 1>really it is just light, just different flavors of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But those flavors of light do have different wavelengths, which

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<v Speaker 1>also means they have different frequencies. So what does that

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<v Speaker 1>mean exactly, Well, let's start with wavelengths. Imagine a nice

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<v Speaker 1>smooth wavy line the distance between two consecutive crests on

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<v Speaker 1>that wave, so the very peaks at the top parts

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<v Speaker 1>of our curve. In other words, that would be one

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<v Speaker 1>wave length from one crest to the next. A frequency

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<v Speaker 1>just refers to the number of times a given cycle

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<v Speaker 1>happens within a given amount of time, and we frequently

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<v Speaker 1>use one second as the time unit, and with electromagnetic radiation,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about how many full wavelengths of a given

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<v Speaker 1>signal pass a specific point in space within one second.

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<v Speaker 1>We also use the unit hurts to describe this relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>A one Hurts frequency would have one cycle or one

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<v Speaker 1>wavelength per second passing you know this given point in

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<v Speaker 1>one second, a giga Hurts frequency has a billion cycles

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<v Speaker 1>per second. Now, all electromagnetic radiation is traveling at the

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<v Speaker 1>same speed, which is around three thousand kilometers per second

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<v Speaker 1>in a vacuum. Because the speed actually changes depending upon

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<v Speaker 1>the medium through which the radiation is traveling, that happens

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<v Speaker 1>to be the speed limit of the universe. Nothing goes

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<v Speaker 1>faster than that, So the energy is traveling at that speed,

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<v Speaker 1>but the frequency is dependent not just on speed but

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<v Speaker 1>how long those waves are. In fact, because we know

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<v Speaker 1>all these waves are traveling at that same speed, we

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<v Speaker 1>can figure out the wavelength if we know the frequency,

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<v Speaker 1>and vice versa. So the formula is wavelength equals the

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<v Speaker 1>speed of light divided by the waves frequency. Alternatively, frequency

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<v Speaker 1>is equal to the speed of light divided by the wavelength.

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<v Speaker 1>So as long as we know either the frequency or

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<v Speaker 1>the wavelength, we can figure out the other one. Because

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<v Speaker 1>the speed of light is a constant, it's not a variable.

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<v Speaker 1>On the longest wavelength side of the spectrum are radio waves,

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<v Speaker 1>which can measure more and a hundred meters in length,

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<v Speaker 1>so a radio wave with a wavelength of one meters

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<v Speaker 1>would have a frequency of about three mega hurts, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>about three million wavelengths would pass a given point in

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<v Speaker 1>a second, and each wavelength is measuring one hundred meters

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<v Speaker 1>between those crests. Again, the speed of the signal is

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<v Speaker 1>still the speed of light. But let's say we get

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<v Speaker 1>to the other end of the spectrum, towards the very

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<v Speaker 1>very very tiny wavelengths on the electro magnetic spectrum. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I say tiny, I mean really tiny. Gamma radiation,

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<v Speaker 1>which represents the smallest of the waves that we know about,

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<v Speaker 1>are less than one hundred pico meters in length, and

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<v Speaker 1>a pico meter is one trillionth of a meter, so

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<v Speaker 1>this is actually smaller than the nanoscale. The frequency started

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<v Speaker 1>out at around ten to the power of nineteen hurts

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<v Speaker 1>or ten quintillion hurts. Now, I've talked about electro magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>radiation in terms of waves, but we also know that

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<v Speaker 1>it behaves as both a wave and a particle. There

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of experiments that have shown this, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're fascinating. But I don't want to get too far

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<v Speaker 1>off track. Some of you out there might be screaming

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<v Speaker 1>too late now, so we should also mention photons, the

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<v Speaker 1>particles of light. A photons energy is directly proportional to

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<v Speaker 1>the electromagnetic frequency of that wave. It's also inversely proportional

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<v Speaker 1>to the wave length, So gamma rays pack a huge

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<v Speaker 1>energetic wallop, while radio waves, by comparison, are whims. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's get back to the radio spectrum. In particular. We

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<v Speaker 1>know that radio waves have the longest wavelengths in the

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<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic spectrum, which means they also have the lowest frequencies

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<v Speaker 1>and the lowest amount of photonic energy. Generally speaking, we

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<v Speaker 1>group electromagnetic frequencies ranging from thirty hurts or thirty wavelengths

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<v Speaker 1>per second up to three hundred giga hurts or three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred billion wavelengths per second. Obviously this is a really

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<v Speaker 1>big range, but all of that are radio frequencies. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>different countries divvy up this spectrum of frequencies for different uses,

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<v Speaker 1>some of which depend upon the capabilities of those frequencies. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, if you're looking at around thirty hurts, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the extremely low frequency or e l F ELF range.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I used to play in ELF range in

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<v Speaker 1>Dungeons and Dragons. Wait don't think of something else. So

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<v Speaker 1>these wavelengths are really long and they are good at

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<v Speaker 1>penetrating stuff like deep water, so it can be used

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<v Speaker 1>for very basic communications with submarines. A M radio would

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<v Speaker 1>be up in the medium frequency range for radio frequencies,

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<v Speaker 1>and also the medium wavelength range. Just above that are

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<v Speaker 1>the high frequency short wave radio hands, which are what

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<v Speaker 1>we're really going to talk about a lot today. These

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<v Speaker 1>have a wavelength between ten and one and frequencies that

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<v Speaker 1>are between three and thirty mega hurts. Radio waves in

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<v Speaker 1>this band of frequencies have some really useful properties, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of those is the broadcast range, as in how

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<v Speaker 1>far these radio waves can travel. So higher frequency radio

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<v Speaker 1>bands can essentially only travel by line of sight, so

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<v Speaker 1>there is a limited range to them. If you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>listened to an FM radio station, because FM frequencies are

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<v Speaker 1>in a band called very high frequency or VHF, then

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<v Speaker 1>you might have had the experience of the station starting

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<v Speaker 1>to give out as you travel away from the source.

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<v Speaker 1>Depending upon the power of the broadcasting station, you typically

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<v Speaker 1>have a range of around thirty to forty miles or

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<v Speaker 1>fifty to sixty kilometers, but radio waves that are a

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<v Speaker 1>bit longer can travel further thanks to a layer in

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<v Speaker 1>Earth's atmosphere called the ionosphere. Higher frequencies can move right

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<v Speaker 1>through the ionosphere. They just punch right through and go

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<v Speaker 1>out into space, but lower frequencies, those having the longer wavelengths,

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<v Speaker 1>aren't able to do that, so they actually bounce off

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<v Speaker 1>the layer and come back down to Earth. By reflecting

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<v Speaker 1>back down to Earth, these radio waves could travel much

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<v Speaker 1>further than they would just by line of sight. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as the name suggests, the ionosphere is a layer of

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<v Speaker 1>our atmosphere that is host to ionized particles. Ionization is

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<v Speaker 1>the process by which an atom becomes charged either with

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<v Speaker 1>a positive charge meaning it has lost electrons electrons are

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<v Speaker 1>the negatively charged particles. So then you've got an imbalance.

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<v Speaker 1>You have more protons with the atom than you have electrons,

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<v Speaker 1>and thus you have an overall positive charge, or it

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<v Speaker 1>could become negatively charged, meaning that an atom has taken

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<v Speaker 1>on more electrons. Now, this makes that layer of Earth's

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere a electrically conductive. It happens because our atmosphere is

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<v Speaker 1>hit by ultra violet light from the Sun and it

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<v Speaker 1>hits the atoms in this layer of the atmosphere it

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<v Speaker 1>energizes those atoms, and when the atoms get really energetic,

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<v Speaker 1>the electrons move further out from the nucleus and they

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<v Speaker 1>can actually peel off if they have enough energy. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you've got free electrons, and those free electrons are either

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<v Speaker 1>reflecting radio waves if they have a long enough wavelength,

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<v Speaker 1>or they can actually absorb them or otherwise allow them

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<v Speaker 1>to pass through for shorter wavelengths. This works in both directions.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, not just radio waves coming from Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>but also radio waves that are coming in from space,

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<v Speaker 1>because lots of stuff out there generates radio waves. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not talking about aliens. I'm talking about like solar activity

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. Now, the activity of the ionosphere

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<v Speaker 1>changes throughout a day over any given spot on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>So during the daytime, that part of the Earth is

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<v Speaker 1>facing the Sun, so the atmosphere overhead is being hit

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot more ultra violet radiation, and thus the

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<v Speaker 1>lower part of the ionosphere, the part that's closer to us,

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<v Speaker 1>ends up getting more crowded with ions. Now that means

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<v Speaker 1>that longer radio waves are going to hit the ionosphere

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<v Speaker 1>at a lower altitude and then reflect off. But at nighttime,

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<v Speaker 1>the sun is on the other side of the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>So the lower part of the ionosphere kind of calms

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<v Speaker 1>down a bit, and now the longer radio waves will

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<v Speaker 1>actually travel at a further altitude. They'll go higher up

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<v Speaker 1>before they hit the ionosphere and reflect back down. That

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<v Speaker 1>also means that you can actually pick up longer wavelength

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<v Speaker 1>radio signals from further away at nighttime because there's this

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<v Speaker 1>different angle that allows the waves to reflect and travel

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<v Speaker 1>even further. Now, the history of radio, as in the

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<v Speaker 1>technology that we use to leverage radio waves, this gets

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<v Speaker 1>complicated because we call the technology this same terms as

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<v Speaker 1>we call the the scientific phenomena that is interoperating with

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<v Speaker 1>the technology. But we'll we'll carry on. So the tech

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<v Speaker 1>radio has a very long and complicated history, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>full of some really serious drama. I mean not just

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<v Speaker 1>radio dramas like soap oparas, I mean like drama drama.

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<v Speaker 1>Just get a couple of radio enthusiasts talking about Tesla

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<v Speaker 1>and Marconi or Armstrong and DeForest and see how things

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<v Speaker 1>go if you want some entertainment. But we'll just cut

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<v Speaker 1>to the chase and say that by World War One,

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<v Speaker 1>people were figuring out potential uses for radio waves like

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<v Speaker 1>being able to send communications quickly across large areas if

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<v Speaker 1>you know you're trying to coordinate numerous groups of soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>in different theaters of combat. For example, communicating by radio

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<v Speaker 1>involves generating a carrier wave signal at a specific frequency

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<v Speaker 1>and then modulating it so, in other word, changing that

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<v Speaker 1>signal in some way in order for it to carry information.

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<v Speaker 1>A steady signal gives you no real useful information other

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<v Speaker 1>than someone or something is generating this signal. But by

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<v Speaker 1>creating a way to encode and decode information by altering

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<v Speaker 1>that signal, do you have a way to send more

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<v Speaker 1>complex information. A M radio modulates a carrier signal by

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<v Speaker 1>changing the amplitude of the wavelength, and this requires a

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<v Speaker 1>good deal of power, and the long wavelengths mean you

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<v Speaker 1>need big radio towers to beam out these signals. FM

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<v Speaker 1>radio modulates signals through frequency modulation, altering the frequency of

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<v Speaker 1>the signal slightly. And radio stations, like the kind we

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<v Speaker 1>tune into for entertainment purposes, these are fixed frequencies right

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<v Speaker 1>like If they weren't, you would never be able to

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<v Speaker 1>tune into your favorite radio station because you wouldn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what frequency to go to. So this means they can't

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<v Speaker 1>take advantage of the changes in the ionosphere. They're always

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<v Speaker 1>stuck transmitting at a set frequency, whether conditions are good

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<v Speaker 1>for long range transmission or not. Shortwave radio operators have

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<v Speaker 1>a little more flexibility. They're working with a specific series

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<v Speaker 1>of frequencies in the high frequency range of the RF spectrum,

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<v Speaker 1>but they can swap from one of those sets of

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<v Speaker 1>frequencies to another and thus take advantage of atmospheric conditions.

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<v Speaker 1>So early in the day you might use one set

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<v Speaker 1>of frequencies that are available to you, and late at

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<v Speaker 1>night you might use a different set, because the actual

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves will travel at different distances as the day changes.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's another aspect to communicating during wartime, which is

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<v Speaker 1>that generally speaking, you don't want the people who are

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<v Speaker 1>fighting on the other side of the war to know

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<v Speaker 1>what the heck you're talking about, so you have to

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<v Speaker 1>come up with some means of of you skating the

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<v Speaker 1>meaning of your message. This is particularly important with radio

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<v Speaker 1>for a very obvious reason. See, there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different ways to send secret messages, and some of

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<v Speaker 1>them are more secure than others. If you and I

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<v Speaker 1>are the only ones who know about a black glassy rock,

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<v Speaker 1>near a trina field, you know, a rock that has

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<v Speaker 1>no business being there, And I hide a message under

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<v Speaker 1>that rock for you, there's a decent chance that you'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to the message before anyone else does. I might

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<v Speaker 1>not even need to encode the message at all, because

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<v Speaker 1>no one else even knows that there's a rock there.

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<v Speaker 1>If I were to send you a message through the mail, well,

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<v Speaker 1>now there's a few points where someone could intercept that message, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, perhaps the batties check my mailbox. They see

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<v Speaker 1>that I've put the little mail flag up, so they

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<v Speaker 1>come and check it and they steal the message before

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<v Speaker 1>I can even go anywhere. Or maybe they keep checking

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<v Speaker 1>your mailbox on the other side, looking at incoming mail,

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<v Speaker 1>and they grab my message when it arrives at your mailbox.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe they're super tricksy and they've infiltrated the postal

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<v Speaker 1>service and Cliff the mailman is secretly a dirty old

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<v Speaker 1>spy always suspected it. Well. Radio communications are out in

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<v Speaker 1>the open. Anyone with a receiver that has an antenna

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<v Speaker 1>that can tune into whichever frequency is being used can

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<v Speaker 1>actually listen in on that frequency, So you have no

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<v Speaker 1>control over who can hear what you're sending out. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're sending something out in secret, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>encode it in some way that makes it hard or

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to determine what is being communicated. Now, when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, will talk about how this sometimes involves making

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<v Speaker 1>creepy radio broadcasts. But first, let's take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say you want to create your own radio station.

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<v Speaker 1>You've put up a transmission tower, you figured out your

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<v Speaker 1>power needs to generate the signal necessary to claim a

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<v Speaker 1>subsection the r F spectrum set aside for broadcasts, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're ready to go right. Well, no, now if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to get shut down and find or worse.

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<v Speaker 1>In order to make sure the spectrum isn't just a

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<v Speaker 1>free for all, which would make communication difficult at least,

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<v Speaker 1>governments have designated specific bands of frequencies for specific uses.

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<v Speaker 1>See if multiple transmitters were trying to use the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same frequency, everything would get garbled. You would have tons

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<v Speaker 1>of interference. If you've ever used a pair of walkie talkies,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably know that it's standard for folks to say

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<v Speaker 1>over when they're done talking, because the walkie talkies switched

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<v Speaker 1>between transmitter and receiver mode and without the over you

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<v Speaker 1>might have both parties trying to talk at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one can hear anything because you're both holding

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<v Speaker 1>down the transmit button. Well, when you think about all

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<v Speaker 1>the radio, television, cellular, WiFi, and other signals zooming around

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<v Speaker 1>out there, all of which are part of the RF spectrum,

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<v Speaker 1>you quickly realize that you've got to make up some

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<v Speaker 1>rules or else no one would ever know who they're

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<v Speaker 1>talking to. Now, way back in eighteen sixty five, the

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<v Speaker 1>International Telegraph Union came into formation, and in nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four it changed its name to the International Telecommunication Union,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's part of the United Nations today, and one

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<v Speaker 1>of its jobs is to designate specific slices of the

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<v Speaker 1>RF spectrum for specific uses to allow for seamless operations

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<v Speaker 1>between the world. That way, the radio is made by

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<v Speaker 1>a company in Japan will work in places like the

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<v Speaker 1>US because the frequencies that we've set aside for terrestrial

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<v Speaker 1>radio stations are the same, assuming that both US and

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<v Speaker 1>Japan are following the suggestions from the i t U. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's up to the governments of various countries to enforce

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<v Speaker 1>these rules. In the United States, radio stations have to

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<v Speaker 1>obtain a license from the Federal Communications Commission to get

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<v Speaker 1>a permission to broadcast on specific frequencies within the A,

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<v Speaker 1>M or FM bands of the RF spectrum. There are

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<v Speaker 1>other frequencies reserved for amateur radio operators, but if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to operate your own amateur station, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>get a license from the f c C, and passing

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<v Speaker 1>a test is part of that process. Now, if you

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<v Speaker 1>just want to listen to radio, that's different. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>need a license. In that case, you could have a

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<v Speaker 1>short wave radio set and as long as you're not transmitting,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just listening, no licenses needed. But to transmit, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta get permission first, and the f c C will

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<v Speaker 1>even assign a call signed to you. Number stations are different.

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<v Speaker 1>With commercial radio stations, you can do some research to

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<v Speaker 1>see who owns and operates that station, but with numbers stations,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a distinct lack of information. This puts them in

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<v Speaker 1>the realm of pirate radio stations. These are stations that

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<v Speaker 1>have no identifying information associated with them and they are

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<v Speaker 1>operating without being registered with the FCC or similar agency

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<v Speaker 1>in other countries. Now that doesn't mean that these agencies

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<v Speaker 1>like the f c C don't know about them. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a look the other way situation in which one

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<v Speaker 1>part of the government is using stuff that the other

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<v Speaker 1>parts just don't need to worry about. You know, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, if you're wondering if people operate pirate radio stations,

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<v Speaker 1>they sometimes do. But there are ways to triangulate signals

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<v Speaker 1>and determine where those signals are coming from. So if

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<v Speaker 1>someone is broadcasting without permission on a specific frequency, it's

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<v Speaker 1>typically just a matter of time before the Feds come

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<v Speaker 1>in and shut things down. Now, you could hop onto

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<v Speaker 1>other frequencies, but unless your audience knows where to tune in,

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<v Speaker 1>you would likely be talking to no one or at

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<v Speaker 1>least very few people. So, since we know that it's

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<v Speaker 1>possible to figure out where a radio signal ridge and eates,

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<v Speaker 1>and since numbers stations can remain in operation for years

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<v Speaker 1>or decades, we have to draw the conclusion that these

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<v Speaker 1>numbers stations have some sort of sanction from governments, otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>they would get shut down. Now, some sources say that

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<v Speaker 1>numbers stations, these radio frequencies that are sending out seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>nonsensical information, got their start in World War One. Others

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<v Speaker 1>say it was actually closer to World War Two, and

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<v Speaker 1>I tend to suspect that the latter is more accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>Radio was important in World War One, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>also still pretty early on in the evolution of the technology.

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<v Speaker 1>But at some time around World War One and World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two, someone got an idea, and that idea was

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<v Speaker 1>to establish a transmission on a particular signal or sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>a series of signals that would change throughout the day

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<v Speaker 1>to take advantage of the ionosphere and the differences and

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<v Speaker 1>signal propagation, and the signal would broadcast encoded and for

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<v Speaker 1>vation presumably two spies. So let's say you're running a

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<v Speaker 1>top secret spy organization like the m I six. Now, granted,

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<v Speaker 1>you're spending a lot of time dealing with the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that your top spy has a habit of introducing himself

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<v Speaker 1>to any one in hearing range and then drinking his

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<v Speaker 1>way across the world. But you've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other more responsible spy types out there too, and you

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<v Speaker 1>might occasionally need to send them orders. But if your

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<v Speaker 1>operative is halfway across the world, deep in enemy territory

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't rely on normal communication channels, you might

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<v Speaker 1>want to send a coded message by shortwave radio. This

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<v Speaker 1>has a huge advantage and that the radio signal goes

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<v Speaker 1>out everywhere, so you know that your enemies will be

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<v Speaker 1>able to detect the signal, but they won't know what

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<v Speaker 1>the message was or who it was actually for. If

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<v Speaker 1>you were to call your operative, it's possible someone could

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<v Speaker 1>detect the call and trace it to the recipient the spy,

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<v Speaker 1>and thus compromising them. So sending out a message via

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<v Speaker 1>radio means you give no information about who is supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to receive that message. The operative nose to tune into

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<v Speaker 1>a specific radio frequency at a specific time. This is

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<v Speaker 1>something that you have to work out beforehand, obviously, as

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<v Speaker 1>most of us aren't aware of what's going on with

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves all around us, or we'd have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of trouble concentrating on anything. You might set up a

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<v Speaker 1>regular broadcast session using different frequencies throughout the day, depending

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<v Speaker 1>upon whichever one works best. And maybe some days you

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<v Speaker 1>have nothing to report, so you might even send out

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<v Speaker 1>a code for that, or it might just be gibberish.

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<v Speaker 1>But other days you need to alert your operative to

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<v Speaker 1>return home, or step it up and place a bigger

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<v Speaker 1>bet in baccarat or whatever it may be. So these numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Stations typically have some sort of indicator at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the hour. The Lincoln Share Poacher, which we played

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of this episode, is an example of that.

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<v Speaker 1>That little tune marked the beginning of a transmission, followed

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<v Speaker 1>by the actual message. The message would be a sequence

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<v Speaker 1>of some sort, typically numbers, sometimes letters. The voice might

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<v Speaker 1>be a recording, or it might be read live on

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<v Speaker 1>the air. It could be a man, a woman, or

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<v Speaker 1>a child's voice. You might pick up a short wave

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<v Speaker 1>signal with someone counting in another language. But what do

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<v Speaker 1>those codes actually mean? Well, that's the real question, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's one that's kind of impossible for us to answer

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<v Speaker 1>because the coded messages use an approach that is unbreakable

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<v Speaker 1>assuming you don't get hold of the secret. So this

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<v Speaker 1>leads us to a discussion about cryptography. Cryptography, or the

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<v Speaker 1>art of writing and or breaking codes, is ancient, and

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<v Speaker 1>people have come up with a lot of interesting ways

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<v Speaker 1>to hide important information even if it's in plain sight,

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<v Speaker 1>and have it be indecipherable as it were to the

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<v Speaker 1>uninitiated at least. These range from the very simple strategies

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<v Speaker 1>such as a rudimentary replacement cipher like the Caesar cipher,

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<v Speaker 1>where you just substitute symbols for letters or just shift

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<v Speaker 1>letters around. So for example, you might say a B

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<v Speaker 1>actually means C and a C means D. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>very simple Caesar cipher. While these sort of ciphers might

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<v Speaker 1>confound someone at casual first glance, they aren't particularly hard

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<v Speaker 1>to crack. If you happen to know what language was

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<v Speaker 1>used to write the message, you can look for patterns

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<v Speaker 1>in those symbols to indicate common letter combinations. So, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>in English, the letters J, Q, X, and Z are

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<v Speaker 1>really pretty rare, but the letters A, E, O, and

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<v Speaker 1>T are really common. So you can look for symbols

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<v Speaker 1>that show up a lot and start to think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>these most likely represent some of the most common letters.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you have letter pairs. In English, you get

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like T H E are oh N and A

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<v Speaker 1>N a lot. You can also look for common double

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<v Speaker 1>letters like T, T, S, S, E and so on.

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing the rules of the language means you can start

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<v Speaker 1>looking for clues as to what these symbols actually represent.

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<v Speaker 1>Some ciphers take one little extra step, including some symbols

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<v Speaker 1>for common letter pairings. Really, this is just taking a

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<v Speaker 1>page from other alphabets, including older English alphabets. So for example,

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<v Speaker 1>the old English letter thorn represents the th h or

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<v Speaker 1>the sound. So maybe you have symbols that can represent

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<v Speaker 1>certain letter pairs or double letters or phonetic sounds, and

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<v Speaker 1>that can make it a tiny bit more challenging if

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<v Speaker 1>someone wants to break the code. Now, there are also

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<v Speaker 1>ciphers that use clever means to change how letters are

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<v Speaker 1>encoded in some predetermined way, which is what the famed

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<v Speaker 1>Enigma machine could do. The Enigma machine was like a

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<v Speaker 1>really complicated typewriter, only when you hit a given letter

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<v Speaker 1>such as W on the machine, the machine would generate

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<v Speaker 1>a different letter based on whatever its initial settings were.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say you hit W and you get G

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<v Speaker 1>instead you write that down for your encoded message. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the Enigma machine would advance its mechanism so that the

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<v Speaker 1>entire encoding process changed. So if you hit W again,

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<v Speaker 1>now the machine wouldn't produce G for the second W,

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<v Speaker 1>it would produce something else, like maybe P. The Enigma

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<v Speaker 1>machine was so complicated that it prompted Allied forces in

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two to construct early computer systems, and had

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<v Speaker 1>it not been for a couple of quirks with the machine. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, the machine would never use the correct letter

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<v Speaker 1>as a cipher for itself. Well, if it hadn't been

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<v Speaker 1>doing those sort of things, the Allies might not have

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<v Speaker 1>ever cracked at code. And there are other methods to

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<v Speaker 1>send information in a clandestine way. There's hiding information within

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<v Speaker 1>some other message or inside a physical object. This is

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<v Speaker 1>called steganography. So you can imagine a painting that has

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<v Speaker 1>a hidden message incorporated in it, so that anyone who's

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 1>just looking at the painting just see's a painting, but

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>someone who knows what to look for can read the message.

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Steganography is fascinating stuff, and in our modern tech age,

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 1>it can extend to stuff like files that are hidden

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>within other files. So how do numbers stations keep information secret?

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>What's through one of the oldest tricks in the book

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<v Speaker 1>the one time pad. Using a one time pad properly

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty much a guarantee that no one will ever

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<v Speaker 1>be able to crack the code. It's a perfect cipher

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 1>in that regard, though in other ways it has its

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 1>own drawbacks. Now, when we come back, we'll talk about

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 1>the one time pad. Some of the famous number stations

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>out there and speculate on what it all means. Spies.

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>It means spies. We'll be right back, okay. So the

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 1>beauty of the one time pad is that if you

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 1>do it correctly, it is unbreakable. The reason for that

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 1>is twofold. One is that the key that you used

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 1>to actually encrypt the message is a randomly generated key,

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 1>So each letter of your message has an encryption method

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 1>that is independent of every other letter in your message,

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>so somewhat intercepting the message won't be able to look

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>for those patterns in the symbols. And the other reason

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 1>is that you use each randomly generated encryption key only once.

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 1>After you use it, you destroy the key. Since you

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 1>don't repeat the process, you avoid giving codebreakers enough information

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>in order to crack a message. If the code never repeats,

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>you can't establish any patterns. Now, the downside of this

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 1>is that you do have to make sure that everyone

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>you're communicating with has a copy of the encryption keys.

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 1>So whenever you generate that random key, you have to

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 1>make sure the person or people that you're sending messages

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 1>to have exact copies that they are able to keep safe.

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Going back to the Enigma machine, if the Germans had

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 1>followed the procedure of changing the machine settings for every

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 1>single message, it would have made the code even more

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 1>difficult to crack. But an actual practice, doing this was

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>very hard to keep straight and could result in miscommunication.

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 1>So for the sake of convenience and clarity, the Germans

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 1>often wouldn't change the settings as frequently as they were

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:55.480
<v Speaker 1>supposed to, and that gave the allies a foothold and

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>figuring out what was actually going on. Generating a coded

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>mess it requires a few steps, and since we're talking

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>about numbers stations, I'll go with numbers first. But keep

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 1>in mind, it's not just the way numbers work, it's

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 1>just it's the easiest way to explain it to you guys.

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>So your first step is that you create a simple

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 1>substitution cipher for all the letters in the alphabet, plus

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>any symbols that you plan on using, for example, any punctuation.

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>You assign numbers to each of those letters and symbols,

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>so you could go just as simple as numbering the

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 1>English alphabet from one to twenty six A to Z,

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 1>but that's pretty simplistic. So you establish your basic cipher

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>and you make sure everyone who needs it has that

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 1>they know that if they see a one, that means

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>a two means to be for ciphered text. But that's

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 1>just one step. Next, you generate your encryption key. Now,

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>this should be a string of random numbers, with each

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 1>number ranging from zero to nine. Typically you group them

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 1>in blocks to make it easier to transmit and receive.

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 1>The most common one I've come across is blocks of

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 1>five digits each. Now this is really important. Your encryption

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:20.479
<v Speaker 1>key has to be as long or longer than whatever

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 1>message you intend to send. So if your message is

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 1>one forty characters long, you need one hundred forty randomly

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 1>generated numbers, and you create a whole bunch of these

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 1>for the purposes of communication, with each encryption key taking

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>up a single page out of a pad of paper.

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 1>If you were to look at one of these sheets

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 1>of paper, all you would see are a bunch of

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 1>digits divide up into groups of five, and just no

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 1>apparent pattern to them because they would be randomly generated.

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 1>So when it comes time to encode a message, let's

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 1>say your message is extra act asset. That's what you

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 1>want to tell your operative. You would write down your

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>message in English, So you write down extract have a

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:12.240
<v Speaker 1>space asset, and then you would use your cipher method

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 1>to change each letter into its corresponding number. So we'll

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>go with the very simple substitution of A is one,

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 1>B as two, and so on, but we would probably

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 1>use something different in the field. We're gonna use zero

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 1>as an empty space. A lot of real number stations

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 1>use a different method, uh in order to make it

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:35.800
<v Speaker 1>easier for people who are receiving the messages to actually

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>decode them. But you get where I'm going. So using

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:44.000
<v Speaker 1>our substitution cipher, we see that the first letter of

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:47.959
<v Speaker 1>our message, the E in extract, would be the fifth

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>letter the alphabet, So our first ciphered note is five.

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:57.560
<v Speaker 1>The second letter of extract is X. That's the twenty

0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 1>four letter, So then we have to write two four,

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 1>So this actually takes up two digits in our our

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:11.960
<v Speaker 1>ciphered text. When we're done, are simple substitution cipher would

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:15.839
<v Speaker 1>look like this. This is extract asset. If we were

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 1>to write it all out by numbers, it would be

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 1>five two four to zero, one eight one three two

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>zero zero, one one nine one nine five to zero.

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 1>But this is not encrypted yet. It's just enciphered which

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:41.399
<v Speaker 1>means that if someone were to intercept this message, they

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 1>could potentially suss out what it means pretty quickly. I mean,

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 1>for one thing, if you listen to that, even though

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 1>it's broken up into two different blocks of of digits,

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>you do have a repeating one nine one nine in

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 1>there that could indicate a double letter, and in this

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:00.800
<v Speaker 1>case it actually does. Those are the who say is

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:06.080
<v Speaker 1>an asset. So now you have to encrypt this message.

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 1>This is when we take one of those randomly generated

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:13.720
<v Speaker 1>encryption keys, the ones that are at least as long,

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>but preferably longer than the messages we plan to send,

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 1>and we've grouped the encryption key into blocks of five digits,

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:26.040
<v Speaker 1>but again these digits are each randomly generated. We grab

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:28.719
<v Speaker 1>the first key off our pad. Let's say that this

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 1>key starts with a five digit block that says zero

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 1>eight to three nine. Now we would probably just hold

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 1>onto those first five numbers, not use them for encryption,

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>because those first five numbers will alert our agents in

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:47.719
<v Speaker 1>the field which of the encryption keys they need to use,

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:50.839
<v Speaker 1>because remember they have a whole pad of these things,

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:53.399
<v Speaker 1>and each one is different, so they have to look

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 1>in their pad and say all right, Well, let's look

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 1>for the encryption key that starts with zero eight to

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.880
<v Speaker 1>three nine. That's our starting point. So we've got our

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:05.399
<v Speaker 1>ciphered text and beneath those numbers of the ciphers, so

0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 1>our first block was five to four to zero. Beneath

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:14.719
<v Speaker 1>that we would write the second block of the encryption key,

0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>and then we would do the third block of the

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:19.359
<v Speaker 1>encryption key, then the fourth block, and then the fifth

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 1>block to correspond with the four blocks of five numbers

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 1>that represent extract asset. Now again these are randomly generated

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 1>digits from zero to nine. Then we do quick subtraction

0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 1>digit by digit. We take the encryption key number for

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 1>each corresponding digit of our ciphered text, and we subtract

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 1>the encryption key from the ciphered key. So I remember

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:48.280
<v Speaker 1>our first five numbers of our cipher text are five

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:52.800
<v Speaker 1>to four to zero. Let's say that our randomly generated

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 1>encryption key is two seven. Well, if we're subtracting digit

0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:01.200
<v Speaker 1>by digit, that means our first pairing would be the

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 1>five from our block of cipher text and the two

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:08.879
<v Speaker 1>from the encryption key. So five minus two gives us three.

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 1>This is the beginning of our encrypted text. But our

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:19.320
<v Speaker 1>second subtraction is seven that's from our encryption key, from

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>two that's from our cipher. In this case, you would

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 1>make the two a twelve for the purposes of subtraction,

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.440
<v Speaker 1>and your answer would be five and so on. So

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:34.320
<v Speaker 1>you subtract each encryption key digit from the ciphered message

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>digit to create the encrypted message. So our first block

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 1>of encrypted five digits would be three five three three five.

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Remember we started with five to four zero. That in

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 1>turn stands for the letters e x T. Anyway, you

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:57.759
<v Speaker 1>do this encryption method for your entire message, You turn

0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 1>it into blocks of numbers that you can broadcast those

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>blocks of numbers through a numbers station. The agent tunes

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 1>into that specific frequency and an agreed upon time. They

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 1>listen for that first block of five numbers, they grab

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:13.799
<v Speaker 1>the sheet out of their pad that corresponds to that,

0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:18.759
<v Speaker 1>they write down the message that's being broadcast, number and

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:22.320
<v Speaker 1>by number. They match each new number to the next

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 1>digit in the encryption key, and then they just add

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 1>those two numbers together to get the ciphered version of

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the message. Then they convert the ciphered version to the

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 1>original message, so they're just reversing the process. It's pretty elegant,

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and because that encryption key is random, it is impossible

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:43.839
<v Speaker 1>to crack. This is also why if you listen to

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:48.799
<v Speaker 1>a numbers station broadcast, the speaker typically will repeat a

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:52.400
<v Speaker 1>block of five numbers a couple of times, maybe several times,

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:55.759
<v Speaker 1>before moving on to the next block of five numbers.

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>This gives the listener enough time to make sure they

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:02.280
<v Speaker 1>are transcribing each digit correct really, otherwise their decryption process

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.600
<v Speaker 1>isn't going to work. Now, this key is impossible to

0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:08.799
<v Speaker 1>crack as long as that encryption key remains random, but

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 1>generating random numbers is actually trickier than it sounds now.

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 1>One way to do this would just be to take

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 1>a tin sided die and roll it a bunch, and

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 1>then write down each of the results of your roles

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:23.440
<v Speaker 1>as you go. The number of times you roll the

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 1>die depends on how long you're encryption key is going

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.720
<v Speaker 1>to be, but keep in mind you want that encryption

0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 1>key to be at least as long as the messages

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 1>you're planning to send preferably longer. So if your key

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:38.560
<v Speaker 1>has twenty blocks of five digits each, you would be

0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:42.400
<v Speaker 1>rolling that die one times and writing down the results

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and the first five digits of your new key typically

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:50.399
<v Speaker 1>aren't used as encryption but rather identification. You can use

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 1>other means to identify which pad or which page and

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>a pad you should be using, but that's a pretty

0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:00.840
<v Speaker 1>common one. There are computer programs that are supposed to

0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 1>generate random numbers. You know, you've probably heard of r

0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 1>n g s or random number generators, but what these

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:12.960
<v Speaker 1>really do is that they generate pseudo random numbers. They're

0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 1>not true random numbers. Computers have to follow rules. Now,

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 1>those rules can be really complicated, but they're still rules,

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 1>and randomness sort of falls outside of the rules category.

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 1>So computer random number generators typically aren't truly random. Now

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.840
<v Speaker 1>to mere mortals, it can seem random, but in most cases,

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:38.719
<v Speaker 1>a person who knew the rules that the program was

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:42.320
<v Speaker 1>following in order to generate the numbers could create another

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:46.320
<v Speaker 1>program to duplicate that result, and that means the numbers

0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:49.080
<v Speaker 1>aren't really random at all, and that could put an

0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:52.319
<v Speaker 1>encryption key at risk. For that reason, a lot of

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:56.240
<v Speaker 1>spy agencies don't rely on computers to generate random numbers.

0:41:56.440 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Typically they'll use other methods. Numbers station is really proliferated

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.840
<v Speaker 1>in the years after World War Two and throughout the

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Cold War, presumably because you had spies all over the

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>ding dang during place with American spies in Russia, you

0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:16.360
<v Speaker 1>had Soviet spies in America, and so on. The Numbers

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:21.879
<v Speaker 1>stations declined in well number over the years, but there

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 1>are still a few out there broadcasting digits to whomever

0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:28.400
<v Speaker 1>is listening. Some of them may still be connected to espionage,

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 1>but others might be connected to non governmental activities, you know,

0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:36.479
<v Speaker 1>like drugs smuggling. Some of the Numbers stations are shall

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:40.960
<v Speaker 1>we say, executed in a less than professional manner, which

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>suggests that they are not backed by, you know, state

0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 1>backed operations. It's also possible that some numbers stations are

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.879
<v Speaker 1>broadcasting out meaningless numbers just to obvious skate what's really

0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 1>going on. If you flood the airwaves with nonsense, you

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:59.440
<v Speaker 1>keep your opponents guessing at what you're actually up to. Now,

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:01.799
<v Speaker 1>I've already played for you a bill of the Lincolnshire

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Poacher Numbers Station, which may have well been connected to

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>the Secret Intelligence Service of the UK. But there was

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 1>also the Swedish rhapsody, which would begin with a jangly

0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:14.759
<v Speaker 1>little tune that sounds like it came straight from an

0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 1>ice cream truck. There was the Gong, which began with

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:21.800
<v Speaker 1>a series of low pitched percussive tones as if bells

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:24.799
<v Speaker 1>or gongs were being struck, followed by someone reading out

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:27.879
<v Speaker 1>numbers in German. There were tons of others, and there's

0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:32.520
<v Speaker 1>still several in operation today. A Keen Fernandez, a short

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<v Speaker 1>wave radio enthusiasts, became fascinated with these numbers stations and

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<v Speaker 1>released a set of CDs containing recordings of various numbers

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<v Speaker 1>stations from around the world. You can find the recordings

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<v Speaker 1>available online for free, and lots of musicians have actually

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<v Speaker 1>incorporated parts of those recordings into their own works. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the brilliant things about number stations is that, well

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<v Speaker 1>you might figure out where the broadcast is coming from

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<v Speaker 1>if you have the equipment to triangulate a signal. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said before, you have no way of knowing who

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<v Speaker 1>those messages are intended for. Their just broadcast out into

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<v Speaker 1>the world, so anyone could be the intended recipient. But

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<v Speaker 1>there have been a few cases in which authorities caught

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<v Speaker 1>spies and uncovered their involvement with numbers stations, but not

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<v Speaker 1>because they had some magical way of finding out who

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<v Speaker 1>was getting the messages. So, for example, in two thousand one,

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<v Speaker 1>U S authorities arrested Anna Mantz. Mantz had secured a

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<v Speaker 1>position with the US Defense Intelligence Agency, which, y'all, that's

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<v Speaker 1>impressive for a spy to infiltrate an organization that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>spies on people, wowsers. And actually that happens, not like

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<v Speaker 1>super frequently, but way more frequently than I would have thought.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I figured, if you're the experts on spying,

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<v Speaker 1>you should be pretty good at picking out ones that

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to infiltrate your organization. But as the Mission

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<v Speaker 1>Impossible movies tell us, that's not always the case. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>the authorities suspected her of act ding on behalf of

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<v Speaker 1>another country. They searched her home and they found a

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<v Speaker 1>code sheet for encrypting messages, plus a short wave radio.

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<v Speaker 1>It turned out she was spying for Cuba, and in

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<v Speaker 1>eleven German authorities arrested a married couple named Hydron and

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<v Speaker 1>Andreas Schlug, both of whom were spying for the Russians

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<v Speaker 1>and had been for years before the Berlin Wall had

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<v Speaker 1>come down. During the raid on the couple's home, Hydron

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<v Speaker 1>was actually in the middle of receiving a short wave

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<v Speaker 1>transmission in the United States. In the mid nineties, the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI identified possible Cuban spies in the United States and

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<v Speaker 1>they managed to break into the home of one of

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<v Speaker 1>those spies. They found a computer there with a decryption

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<v Speaker 1>program on it. Essentially, it was a computer with the

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<v Speaker 1>one time use pad programmed into it, so it had

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<v Speaker 1>the codes used by Numbers stations, and the FEDS just

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<v Speaker 1>copied the key and they used it to decipher incoming messages.

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<v Speaker 1>That allowed them to build a big legal case against

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<v Speaker 1>numerous spies. But again, if done correctly, this approach is unassailable.

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<v Speaker 1>It just requires that the spies remain, you know, undetected

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<v Speaker 1>through other means, and that they keep a tight grip

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<v Speaker 1>on their decryption keys. Otherwise the jig is up. And

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<v Speaker 1>while the number of stations continue to be creepy and

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<v Speaker 1>a suitable fit for films and TV series about paranormal

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<v Speaker 1>stuff or aliens or whatever, the truth of the matter

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<v Speaker 1>is that they're probably telling operatives overseas to knock it

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<v Speaker 1>off with all the martinis and extract assets stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Fascinating things. By the way, you can find lots of

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<v Speaker 1>recordings of Numbers stations online. You can also find websites

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<v Speaker 1>that allow you to use a software that lets you

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<v Speaker 1>tune into different shortwave radio frequencies around the world, which

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<v Speaker 1>is really really cool that it lets you actually listen

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<v Speaker 1>in two different shortwave broadcasts, which may or may not

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<v Speaker 1>be number stations. I mean, there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people using shortwave radio to just chat with each other

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<v Speaker 1>like amateur radio operators, but occasionally you can actually find

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<v Speaker 1>operating numbers stations. There are lots of resources online if

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<v Speaker 1>you are interested in looking into that. You can also

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<v Speaker 1>always invest in short wave radio equipment, although that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of depends on where you are, like it may not

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<v Speaker 1>you may not be able to pick up really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>broadcasts depending on your location. You also typically have to

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<v Speaker 1>use really super long antenna that need to be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>elevated a pretty good distance to pick up broadcasts from

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<v Speaker 1>really far away, so your mileage may vary with physical

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<v Speaker 1>shortwave radio setups. But as I say, there are websites

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<v Speaker 1>where you can tune into someone else's shortwave radio and

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<v Speaker 1>use special software that lets you tune into different frequencies,

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<v Speaker 1>being able to to really listen in on whatever is

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<v Speaker 1>going on that's being picked up by that particular radio set,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you are interested, make sure you do some

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<v Speaker 1>more research and check it out. Very cool stuff. Alright.

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<v Speaker 1>That wraps up this episode of tech Stuff. In our

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<v Speaker 1>next episode, who knows what I'll talk about. I don't,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm looking forward to it. If you guys have

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