Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Crush production of I Heart Radio. Hey everybody,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Movie Crush Friday Interview edition. Here with
Speaker 1: another office colleague, get brand new to the Hopefully we'll
Speaker 1: be the rotating cast unless you really screw up. We
Speaker 1: have Trevor Young here. Hey, Trevor, Hey, how's it going?
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me? Of course, Trevor, you are a
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Speaker 1: on a lot of really cool what we're calling by
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Speaker 1: like three D shows. Are you doing that? Yeah? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Days of Halloween and um yeah it's it's supposed to
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Speaker 1: so I can't really say much about what's coming, but
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Speaker 1: if there's a way to do it. Um, we'll see
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Speaker 1: know a listener, and we do that, it will not
Speaker 1: be the new stuff you should know. It will just
Speaker 1: be like, hey, here's what this thing is. If you
Speaker 1: want to go listen to other stuff, yeah, highly recommend
Speaker 1: it. It It just kind of adds a whole new layer
Speaker 1: to you know the audio world. So yeah, that's very cool.
Speaker 1: So Trevor, you got in touch with me too because
Speaker 1: you love Richard link Ladder and said, would you ever
Speaker 1: want to talk about Richard link Ladder's movies? And I
Speaker 1: was like, yes, absolutely, Um, and I think before we
Speaker 1: jump into days and Confused, we should just talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about this guy. Um, one of my favorite
Speaker 1: all time filmmakers. How did he come into your life? Yes,
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I actually have like a weirdly personal
Speaker 1: connection to link Later and um, you know his work
Speaker 1: and everything. Um. So I grew up in Austin, Texas,
Speaker 1: which is where you know he's from. He's based and
Speaker 1: you know, has lived most of his life and bases
Speaker 1: a lot of his you know, movies, in and around,
Speaker 1: including days and confused. Um, So I grew up there
Speaker 1: and it was just kind of this thing growing up
Speaker 1: there that you know, there's this famous movie director who
Speaker 1: lives here and makes movies about Austin And that was
Speaker 1: kind of always in the back of my head and
Speaker 1: I didn't didn't really fully hit me until, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I got to college and I was studying
Speaker 1: film or but not only that, his daughter, Laura I,
Speaker 1: um was at my high school in my graduating class
Speaker 1: and somebody like had classes with and I like never
Speaker 1: really put two and two together that my classmate was
Speaker 1: like Richard Linklater's daughter Boyhood, right, Yeah, she was in Boyhood.
Speaker 1: And so I graduated in Boyhood came out like three
Speaker 1: years later, and I saw her on the screen. I
Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, that was Laura. I Like, I
Speaker 1: like ad math class with her. That's so bizarre. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: So you weren't like good friends or anything like that. Um,
Speaker 1: it was kind of like a like she was like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, in a circle that like had a bit
Speaker 1: of a ven diagram with the circle I was in.
Speaker 1: But like can't say we like talked her interacted very much. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's well, it's funny because that kind of comes into
Speaker 1: playing dazed and confused. I have a note here about
Speaker 1: just how he nails the clicks and different clicks sort
Speaker 1: of overlapping in the then diagram style, and just how
Speaker 1: that he just really nailed at it stuff. Um Man,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I didn't know you from Austin, did you?
Speaker 1: When did you come to Atlanta? I moved here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I I uh, after I finished up school. I
Speaker 1: came here to work in public radio for a few
Speaker 1: years before coming here. I heart or how stuff works
Speaker 1: as it was then. Yeah, man, Austin is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite cities. It's uh, you know, I went to
Speaker 1: south By Southwest for many years in a row, and
Speaker 1: then um have also gone beyond that, and uh it's
Speaker 1: just great, man, what a what a great place. It was.
Speaker 1: It fun growing up there. Yeah, yeah, I miss it
Speaker 1: every day. It's um you know, you'll hear anybody from
Speaker 1: Austin kind of gripe about this, but it's changed so
Speaker 1: much and it's like really not the Austin I grew
Speaker 1: up with anymore. But like that's fine. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be one of those people who write complains about
Speaker 1: Californians and you know, tech bros. Coming and ruining their city.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, it's just it's just different, you know.
Speaker 1: It's it used to be a very like, um, small,
Speaker 1: very like everybody knows everybody kind of city, UM, really
Speaker 1: tight knit community, and it's a it's definitely lost that sadly.
Speaker 1: You know. It's not as many like mom and pop
Speaker 1: shops around. Its kind of like Athens. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I which school and Athens in the in the late
Speaker 1: eighties and early nineties, and I love going back. It's
Speaker 1: different and it's just one of those things you got
Speaker 1: to reckon with. It's like I'm marches On. It won't
Speaker 1: always stay that the quaint, little charming place that we
Speaker 1: knew and loved, but they're both still great places, I think. Indeed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've always seen that comparison in that parallel with Athens.
Speaker 1: If anybody's never been to Athens, you should go. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting that we're talking about Link
Speaker 1: later because you know, he really captures so much of
Speaker 1: like what Austin was, you know, in like a little
Speaker 1: time capsule way when that like Austin charm that once
Speaker 1: was that you know, is now a thing of the past.
Speaker 1: So I think that's another reason I'm so drawn to it.
Speaker 1: You know, is it like, is the is the last
Speaker 1: vestige of the home I once had? Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: get it. Um So, Link Ladder came into my world.
Speaker 1: And when I was in college in Athens and I
Speaker 1: worked at a sort of the cool indie video store there,
Speaker 1: Vision Video, and that's when I talked about this on
Speaker 1: the show a lot. That's when I really got into
Speaker 1: independent cinema and foreign films and you know, all these
Speaker 1: things that I had never really been exposed to that
Speaker 1: much outside of mainstream, you know, kind of Hollywood movies.
Speaker 1: And I saw Slacker. I rented Slacker, and it was
Speaker 1: those were people I knew. It was that was Athens,
Speaker 1: Georgia at the time. It was as much as it
Speaker 1: was Austin. It was a very similar vibe. I knew
Speaker 1: the weirds and the creatives and the cools and the
Speaker 1: musicians and the artists, and it just that was a movie.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this is I don't know who
Speaker 1: this guy is, but I'm down with Richard Richard Link
Speaker 1: Ladder from now on and I've been a fan ever since. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Um, it's it's just so amazing how he like
Speaker 1: captures that spirit of the creative city you and I
Speaker 1: think you're right, it's like pretty universal in the sense
Speaker 1: that you can really apply, like especially Slacker to like
Speaker 1: really any place like that. You know, any um, you know, Athens, Georgia.
Speaker 1: You know, trying to think of other cities that are
Speaker 1: like that. Madison, Lawrence, Kansas, the cool classic college sounds yep, exactly.
Speaker 1: So um yeah, I think I'll just always love that
Speaker 1: about it. And you know, you you still have some
Speaker 1: places like that, but who knows how much longer they'll exist. So, right,
Speaker 1: what is your Do you have a I mean his
Speaker 1: Days and confuse your favorite movie of his or do
Speaker 1: you have what are some of your others? Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean when we were thinking about like which Week
Speaker 1: Later movie to pick for this, I had a really
Speaker 1: hard time with it just because, um, there's so many
Speaker 1: of his movies that really strike a very personal chord
Speaker 1: with me. And you know I'm not alone in that.
Speaker 1: You know, so many people I talked to about Link
Speaker 1: Later they're like, yeah, just like that one movie really
Speaker 1: like mental Lot. I think Boyhood was one I was
Speaker 1: on the fence about just because loved it. Um that
Speaker 1: really like felt like my life, you know, um, so
Speaker 1: much about them, the little details like everything from him
Speaker 1: having like the little dragon ball Z poster on his
Speaker 1: wall when he was a little kid, to like you know,
Speaker 1: the scene where he's a teenager in the back of
Speaker 1: somebody's car, like you know, going home at like three
Speaker 1: in the morning after like smoking weed and drinking beer
Speaker 1: when he's not supposed to like it all just like
Speaker 1: really um like looked familiar. Yeah. I love Boyhood, not
Speaker 1: only just the experimental nature of it. I think it's
Speaker 1: such a cool idea, but um, he's a filmmaker. I
Speaker 1: think that is a lot about those little details. When
Speaker 1: he's making these movies he's he's done you know, big
Speaker 1: big movies like School of Rock and kind of these
Speaker 1: more mainstream films, and those are all really fun too,
Speaker 1: but when they're sort of the link ladder films, they're
Speaker 1: all about those small moments and those small details. I
Speaker 1: think that just really give it so much richness in depth.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, agreed, I think um the other one
Speaker 1: slash ones that do that, uh maybe the best or
Speaker 1: just really well are his like before movies, before Sunset
Speaker 1: Before Sunrise, I think before Midnight. Yeah, like, you know,
Speaker 1: great for anybody hasn't seen him. I mean there's just
Speaker 1: two people walking around having really quaint but like really
Speaker 1: meaningful conversation and um, you know, if you, I think
Speaker 1: you have to watch all of them a few times
Speaker 1: to really get the subtlety to the things they're talking about.
Speaker 1: And um, you know, the more it kind of sits
Speaker 1: with you, I think, the more you realize, like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is like pactful of a lot of personality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw Um I may have mentioned this
Speaker 1: on the show before, but I saw Before Sunrise for
Speaker 1: the first time literally the night before I left to
Speaker 1: go to Europe backpacking with my best friend for two
Speaker 1: and a half months, and it was like, talk about
Speaker 1: a movie like aligning with my life, and I was,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, oh, man, I'm I'm going to
Speaker 1: meet at Julie Delphi over there. It's gonna be so great.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fall in love with this French girl, which
Speaker 1: that didn't didn't happen. But I'm just a sucker for
Speaker 1: those movies. Man. I love those characters. I love what
Speaker 1: he's doing following them throughout their life. I hope he
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not sure about his plans. I really really
Speaker 1: hope he keeps going like well into their old age.
Speaker 1: It's just such a rich palette to work from. I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agreed. I know he had um mentioned in an
Speaker 1: interview with Ethan Hawk that like they were going to
Speaker 1: do up to like five movies or something like that
Speaker 1: with those characters. I don't know if that's actually gonna
Speaker 1: happen to but you can't stop now. It'd be great.
Speaker 1: I mean it's I love the way, and I know
Speaker 1: you kind of already said this, but I love the
Speaker 1: way it captures them at like different very pivotal moments
Speaker 1: in their life. You know. The first one is like
Speaker 1: them if they're you know, the prime of their youth,
Speaker 1: really naive, really just like able to go for anything
Speaker 1: and fall in love. You know. The next ones them
Speaker 1: kind of like on the cusp of like middle age,
Speaker 1: you know, not sure where their lives are going, having
Speaker 1: to reconcile with their youth. And then the last one
Speaker 1: is just like now they're like officially middle aged, and like,
Speaker 1: how do we stay in love? How do we continue
Speaker 1: to be excited by life? And um, he you know,
Speaker 1: he just nails it. So, yeah, you're right, there's a
Speaker 1: lot more phases. I think he could still capture really well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's just I mean, what a great idea to
Speaker 1: get together with these two people, and I know that
Speaker 1: they make those movies very much as a triad, and
Speaker 1: they all get together, you know, Julie and Ethan and
Speaker 1: Richard link Ladder and and put together the story together,
Speaker 1: and they're just so invested. And it's just I love
Speaker 1: his I love his spirit of creativity. I think that
Speaker 1: so many filmmakers may lose that after they've made it
Speaker 1: or whatever. And it feels like, even after all these years,
Speaker 1: he's still that Texas guy that just that wants to
Speaker 1: tell people stories. Yeah. Yeah, I think he nailed it. Um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, he wants
Speaker 1: to like show people in their most authentic form. And
Speaker 1: you know, he produces everything he does with so much
Speaker 1: like integrity and realism, and he has never lost that
Speaker 1: in any project he's ever done, you know, even on
Speaker 1: some of those bigger ones you mentioned, like The School
Speaker 1: of Rocks and The Bad News is Awesome. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: awesome movies. And even in you know, those bigger budget films.
Speaker 1: He like never lost that integrity, and I think I
Speaker 1: think that's why he's my favorite director, you know, above
Speaker 1: all else. Um. I always thought that I would end
Speaker 1: up meeting him somehow. Um. She He's just one of
Speaker 1: those guys where I was like, Yeah, I'm gonna meet
Speaker 1: Richard Linklener one day, like through movie Crush or stuff
Speaker 1: you should know or something like I need to make
Speaker 1: that happen because he seems so relatable that like that
Speaker 1: could happen. And that's probably just a fantasy of mine,
Speaker 1: because if you're listening, come on movie Crush, he seems like,
Speaker 1: you know, like everyone's friend. You know, he's very it
Speaker 1: seems very approachable and down to earth, and and I
Speaker 1: think he is. I think he still very much that
Speaker 1: guy and very rooted in his and his roots. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean totally. I mean he still lives in Austin.
Speaker 1: I think he has talked a lot over the years
Speaker 1: about how he like never wanted to be like a
Speaker 1: Hollywood dude. He never wanted to like move to Hollywood
Speaker 1: and be one of those guys. He was always like
Speaker 1: very against all that. And you know, he still lives
Speaker 1: just outside of Austin. I think, Um, I did have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to meet him once. Um, I can you
Speaker 1: know briefly mention, I went to the Austin Film Awards
Speaker 1: one year. That's a thing the Austin Film Society, which
Speaker 1: he founded, puts on every year. And I think it
Speaker 1: was the one that came out right after Boyhood or
Speaker 1: the ceremony right after Boyhood came out. Um, And so yeah,
Speaker 1: he was there, he was doing meeting greets and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I had the opportunity to walk up to him,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I think everything you assume about and it's correct.
Speaker 1: You know, he's just like super down to earth. You know,
Speaker 1: he talks to you like you're just like in a
Speaker 1: record store, like chatting, chatting about something you pulled off
Speaker 1: the shelf. That's great. Yeah, And you know it's weird
Speaker 1: that I met him there. You know, after I had
Speaker 1: moved away from Austin, considering I was thinking about him,
Speaker 1: like he probably like dropped Laurel eye off at my
Speaker 1: high school like every day and I like somehow never
Speaker 1: even realized it. Um. I think he even like came
Speaker 1: and did a couple of presentations for our film class
Speaker 1: at high school. But um, yeah. I mean he's super
Speaker 1: down to earth guy. You know, I like now that
Speaker 1: I'm like much more familiar with his films over the years,
Speaker 1: I'd love to have that opportunity again. But you never know, guy,
Speaker 1: he also seems kind of elusive. Well, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's all about just sending that email though, you know,
Speaker 1: true thinking that stab. Al Right, well let's jump into
Speaker 1: days and confuse. This is uh, this is a movie.
Speaker 1: And I kind of just told the story to Nolan
Speaker 1: a mini crush about forty five minutes ago, because someone
Speaker 1: asked on the Facebook page and we used as as
Speaker 1: a segment, what was your favorite movie going experience? And
Speaker 1: mine was dazed and confused. I saw it, uh in
Speaker 1: ninety three the Georgia Theater and Athens, which is a
Speaker 1: music venue mainly, but they had occasional movie screenings and
Speaker 1: it was just a party. Man. It was everyone was
Speaker 1: smoking weed, everyone was drinking. I mean it was a theater,
Speaker 1: so they sold beer and stuff. And I sat up
Speaker 1: in the balcony and I'll never forget it. It was
Speaker 1: just it was one of those nights where it was
Speaker 1: just a party, rollicking laughter, the music just I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll we'll talk about the music like possibly the greatest
Speaker 1: soundtrack of all time. Um, And it was just one
Speaker 1: of those movies. It was set in the Bicentennial, which
Speaker 1: I was five years old, and you know, I remember
Speaker 1: that summer. Um. I was only five, so it wasn't
Speaker 1: like the most vivid memories, but I remember it happening.
Speaker 1: These kids were like my older sister and her friend
Speaker 1: ends and it was it was sort of just above
Speaker 1: my generation, but a generation that I still knew. And uh,
Speaker 1: it just it's It's a movie I've seen fifteen times
Speaker 1: and watching it last night was like the first time again.
Speaker 1: It ages so well and it's still so fucking great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. When did what was your first experience?
Speaker 1: Do you remember? Days and confused? Yeah, I think, um,
Speaker 1: I think it was my junior of high school. Some
Speaker 1: friends and I decided to sit around and watch it,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, it's so weird. The movie takes
Speaker 1: place in seventy six, and we were like, funk, this
Speaker 1: is like our high school, Like this is us right now,
Speaker 1: you know, And it really felt that way. It really
Speaker 1: felt like we were living the same lives as these people,
Speaker 1: you know, thirty five years earlier. So it's it's cool.
Speaker 1: I mean, that is one of the things about it.
Speaker 1: It's it's um. And I had the same experience watching
Speaker 1: the movie Crookland from Spike Lee when I was like
Speaker 1: these kids, this back family in Brooklyn in the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: Like that was my family, this white family in suburban
Speaker 1: Atlanta in the seventies. It was like it was the
Speaker 1: same stuff. There's sort of this universe, that universality aspect,
Speaker 1: I think too certain ages, and uh, it doesn't surprise
Speaker 1: me that. I mean, it was my high school experience
Speaker 1: to a large degree to you know, yeah, I mean, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I've heard a lot of people say, like
Speaker 1: there are things in that movie that don't really feel
Speaker 1: like they resonate with um. You know, like the the
Speaker 1: fact that like most people seem to like really get
Speaker 1: along even though they were like kind of these sub
Speaker 1: clips excuse me, sub clicks. Yeah, and the like you know,
Speaker 1: the the way that like people drink and smoke, you know,
Speaker 1: the way they got away with stuff back then. It's
Speaker 1: just like not something you would like see any time
Speaker 1: in the last years. Um, but boy, it was that
Speaker 1: was a case back then that we were feral and
Speaker 1: parents didn't know where you were half the time, and
Speaker 1: drinking age was eighteen back then. Yeah, so like a
Speaker 1: high school junior could probably buy beer and get away
Speaker 1: with it even without a fake I d as Wiley
Speaker 1: Wiggins does as a as a freshman. But um, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: just starting with that opening music cue, when that when
Speaker 1: Sweet Emotion starts with the black screen and the credits
Speaker 1: are rolling, and then it clicks in with that orange
Speaker 1: muscle car creeping through the parking lot. It just it's
Speaker 1: such a tone center, you know. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I I love the vibe and it's um, you know,
Speaker 1: it definitely takes you right to the seventies, even though
Speaker 1: you know, I think link Later didn't necessarily intend for
Speaker 1: it to be like necessarily an homage to the seventies.
Speaker 1: I think he's always kind of said, like, seventies kind
Speaker 1: of sucked, and I wanted to, like to be real
Speaker 1: about that. But there's still something about that, like opening
Speaker 1: scene and so much for the rest of the movie
Speaker 1: where you're like, I don't know, man, you're making the
Speaker 1: seven seem pretty cool. Well, he does address that a
Speaker 1: couple of times in the movie. You know, there's and
Speaker 1: this is another point I wanted to touch on is
Speaker 1: that in in link Ladder movies when they're sort of
Speaker 1: Link laddery and not the School of Rocks, there are
Speaker 1: all there are these moments where it is clear that
Speaker 1: it's Richard link Ladder talking and musing. I call him
Speaker 1: Richard link Ladder musings. Kevin Smith does the same thing.
Speaker 1: I think, way, way, way too much and in a
Speaker 1: very sort of forced way. But I think Richard link
Speaker 1: Ladder sprinkles throughout his movies. The opening of Slacker when
Speaker 1: it is Richard link Ladder in the back of the taxi.
Speaker 1: I mean, all of Slacker actually is Richard link Ladder musings.
Speaker 1: But in this movie they have you know, the scene
Speaker 1: at the end where where Randall is talking about high
Speaker 1: school and like, if these are the best years of
Speaker 1: my life, you know, remind me to kill myself? Or
Speaker 1: Marissa Rabisi talking about the every other generation theory, how
Speaker 1: you know maybe the eighties are gonna be radical, And
Speaker 1: it's clear these are Richard link Ladder's thoughts, and I
Speaker 1: just think he works them into his movie so well
Speaker 1: and very deftly, and it's not like, uh, it's not
Speaker 1: kind of rammed down your throat. Yeah, Yeah, I think, Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's so obvious when it's a link Later talking
Speaker 1: to you, you know, through these characters, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he summed it up perfectly. But um, you know,
Speaker 1: I've always kind of assumed that link Later has just
Speaker 1: been like journaling all the time throughout his entire life,
Speaker 1: and you know, when he's writing scripts, he's just like
Speaker 1: pulling straight from those journals. You know, when he's going
Speaker 1: on greyhound bus trips across the country to Montana, you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's making his life into movies, and um, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think especially the early ones like Slacker
Speaker 1: and Days, it's so obvious. Yeah, And I think smart
Speaker 1: smart enough to take the best parts for the most
Speaker 1: cinematic parts of his life and then make up the rest. Um,
Speaker 1: because you know, there's a lot of talk about Days
Speaker 1: being autobiographical, and he's like, you know, some of the
Speaker 1: stuff was they we were paddled and hazed, and there
Speaker 1: was this, and there was that. But I think he
Speaker 1: was like, no one wants to see a movie about
Speaker 1: Richard link Ladder's life. Um, so he just sort of
Speaker 1: sprinkles it, which is a good, good move, I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. I mean, it's always amazed me
Speaker 1: how you can like take the mundane and make it
Speaker 1: so like fucking interesting and fun somehow, you know. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. He's got that talent of just making anything
Speaker 1: seem like cool and interesting. Um. Like one of the
Speaker 1: best writers ever. I meant, most of his movies are,
Speaker 1: especially those before movies, they're just these long conversations. Slack
Speaker 1: slacker is a long conversation between you know whatever, three
Speaker 1: dozen people. Yeah, the cast of this movie. It really
Speaker 1: hit me last night more than ever that outside of it,
Speaker 1: maybe Matthew McConaughey, and maybe George Joey Lawren Adams and
Speaker 1: Parker Posey. Joey Lawren Adams didn't have some huge career,
Speaker 1: but she had a quote probably better role in Chasing Amy.
Speaker 1: But almost every other actor in this movie, this is
Speaker 1: their best role, probably of their career, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: And they're the most unlikely characters to emerge out of
Speaker 1: you know, this movie to become famous. You know, Matthew McConaughey,
Speaker 1: who would have thought, and I guess been Affleck of
Speaker 1: course went on to do big things. He's so great
Speaker 1: as Obeyion it's like everyone knew that guy. Uh. In
Speaker 1: that part in the movie when Wiley Wiggins gets confirmation
Speaker 1: from Randall that he's you know, he's like, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: kind of a joke to us too. Like that was
Speaker 1: such a big moment, you know when these kids and
Speaker 1: I love their relationship, like him and Wiley Wiggins and
Speaker 1: then Wiley wiggins sister and the other girl. How you know,
Speaker 1: you take these kids under your wing. Um, And it
Speaker 1: seemed almost as ritualized as the hazing, Like we do
Speaker 1: the hazing and then the cool kids find one other
Speaker 1: kid that's younger and kind of teach him the ropes. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's that one scene where Pink, the you know, the
Speaker 1: main character. He's giving Wiley Wiggins or Mitch a ride
Speaker 1: home or something, and he even like tells that allegory
Speaker 1: of how he when you know, when he was a freshman,
Speaker 1: he got hey, super bad, but there was this really
Speaker 1: cool senior who took him beers afterwards, and then right
Speaker 1: after that he's like, hey, man, you want to come
Speaker 1: out with us later? You know, he's like literally passing
Speaker 1: that torch. Um. Yeah, I mean I didn't have that experience,
Speaker 1: but um, you know, I love that idea, you know,
Speaker 1: in a sense that like, you know, we're gonna put
Speaker 1: you through hell, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we're gonna like build you up at the same time.
Speaker 1: So well, that's what the cool ones do. And then
Speaker 1: there's the ben athletic character, who was also a stereotype
Speaker 1: of the real person. It was just an asshole and
Speaker 1: angry and uh, you know, now that I'm a grown up,
Speaker 1: I see that character and I'm like, well, what happened
Speaker 1: to him when he was a kid? Like why is
Speaker 1: he like that? Yeah, you try to have a little empathy,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, totally, those those asshole characters, I think
Speaker 1: we're more frequent, uh into my memory. But you know, um,
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Ben Affleck. Um. I think he
Speaker 1: like was constantly getting type cast is like assholes in
Speaker 1: his early days and he like all rats, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: He had to like, um, write his own movie a
Speaker 1: good while hunting to get out of that stereotype. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel too sorry for Ben Affleck, but yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah he's fine. Um, But I mean, you know, Wiley
Speaker 1: Wiggins definitely the biggest or best role for him. Jason
Speaker 1: London's best role. I guess Anthony um Rap ended up
Speaker 1: being in Rent, so that was his best role. But Cochrane, Um,
Speaker 1: Marissa Rabisi, Cole Houser, all of most of those female characters,
Speaker 1: Christine Harnos, Michelle Burkendina Martin is sort of trio of girls.
Speaker 1: They you know, that was the biggest stuff they were
Speaker 1: ever in, Like, we're really good in this movie had
Speaker 1: inc Yeah, I mean it's tough. I mean they were
Speaker 1: all really good. But I think when you have a
Speaker 1: cast of this wide and you know, only a few
Speaker 1: people really get to stand out, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's kind of a bit of a shark tank, I
Speaker 1: think is in terms of like who emergence, who emerges
Speaker 1: out of it? Yeah, I mean Rene's lager was an
Speaker 1: extra for God's sake. Uh. The other character too, Um
Speaker 1: that played Dawson Sasha Jensen Um. He I used to
Speaker 1: work in film production and when I was in l A,
Speaker 1: I was working a job. I was in the production
Speaker 1: office is a p A and he walks in and
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: And he was like, I'm an art department coordinator with
Speaker 1: this TV commercial. I was like, but you were and
Speaker 1: he was, and he did that, and he did the
Speaker 1: you know, the tongue out. I was like, dude, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And he was like, you know, he's like,
Speaker 1: it's acting stuff. It's hard to get working. I really
Speaker 1: liked a business and so I do this too. It's
Speaker 1: just like, wow, that's crazy, man. Yeah, I bet you
Speaker 1: recognize those eyebrows immediately. Oh yeah, I mean it was unmistakable.
Speaker 1: And you know, I worked this like two week job
Speaker 1: job with him. Super nice guy, and he did act
Speaker 1: in you know, a bunch of kind of lower profile
Speaker 1: stuff and I'm not sure what he's doing now, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I hope he made his way in film production.
Speaker 1: It's just interesting. You know, you you're in a movie
Speaker 1: this is cultural touchstone and one of the bigger, most
Speaker 1: memorable characters, and uh, you end up as an art
Speaker 1: department coordinator. Maybe. Yeah, it's it's interesting shame in that. No, No,
Speaker 1: not at all. I mean he was one of my,
Speaker 1: I think my favorite characters for a number of reasons.
Speaker 1: I think he was just like, very very like charismatic.
Speaker 1: It's also a bit of a a misogynist character, and
Speaker 1: I didn't like that that aspect of it. On rewatch,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's a time capsule. It is a
Speaker 1: time capsule. There's you know, there's plenty of butt slapping
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but I mean that's that's how
Speaker 1: what it was in high school in nineties six. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean, despite that, he was a very interesting character.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't I don't know why a lot
Speaker 1: of those people didn't, um, you know, keep going up
Speaker 1: and up and up in that particular field. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I know Wiley Wiggins. You know, he was
Speaker 1: on one other link later movie Waking Life, and other
Speaker 1: than that, like he went on to like program video games.
Speaker 1: I think, um, yeah, I think fairly successfully. I met
Speaker 1: him at a bar in l A one night, and
Speaker 1: he was with some people that knew that people I
Speaker 1: was with, So I kind of was loosely hanging out
Speaker 1: with him one night, just kind of fun. Um. I
Speaker 1: did want to mention though you just talked about Sasha
Speaker 1: Jensen's character being a misogynist. He certainly was, But watching
Speaker 1: last night, I noticed that like in the scene where
Speaker 1: he uh where they were hazing the girls and he
Speaker 1: told the one girl like open your mouth, and it
Speaker 1: was really just awful. Like his friends call him out.
Speaker 1: And granted they called him out in the way you
Speaker 1: would in high school in nineteen six. They weren't like
Speaker 1: that was wrong, But I like that link Ladder threw
Speaker 1: that in there at least, like Rory Cochman was like, dude,
Speaker 1: that's terrible, Like it's so degrading, and the girls said,
Speaker 1: you're such an asshole, like they didn't say that. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's really funny, you know, yeah, totally. Um, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's real too. You know if anybody like pulled
Speaker 1: that ship when I was in high school, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's like somebody would be like, yeah, come on, man,
Speaker 1: we don't do that, and you know it's just like
Speaker 1: so naive looking and it's just like I'll do whatever
Speaker 1: you want. I guess, yeah, you know, not understanding the
Speaker 1: application there so well, so many of those kids in
Speaker 1: the movie had just with like one line or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you know, they just never did that. They never
Speaker 1: even acted in anything else. And you can tell some
Speaker 1: of them were not actors, including some of the adults
Speaker 1: like the old man after the football uh talking about
Speaker 1: football next season, Um, the guy I think, the liquor
Speaker 1: store guy. There were a few people in there that
Speaker 1: it was like, man, these are these are Austin dudes.
Speaker 1: They gotta be. Yeah. I mean I think that's the
Speaker 1: reason I love the movie so much and I love
Speaker 1: link Later is you know, he he was only a
Speaker 1: wet like two years off of Slacker, so he still
Speaker 1: has a whole like, yeah, let's just get Austin people
Speaker 1: in here, Like, yeah, this is just an Austin movie. Still, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, who cares if we have a slightly bigger
Speaker 1: budget and we have you know, l A producers, Like
Speaker 1: this is an Austin movie and we're gonna have Austin
Speaker 1: people in Austin places. It made it so authentic, Like
Speaker 1: that fucking head football coach. I didn't even look him up,
Speaker 1: but I mean that guy had to be real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no way that that was just some actor doing
Speaker 1: that perfect, perfect accent. Yep, Yeah, that was just some
Speaker 1: some actual football coach he picked up off the side
Speaker 1: of the road. I don't know, I'm just that way.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I had that coach, you know. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: One thing that occurred to me last night that I
Speaker 1: never really considered is there were no se seniors in
Speaker 1: this movie. Um. I kind of always thought that the
Speaker 1: main olds, we're high school seniors. They were juniors, rising seniors.
Speaker 1: There there's nothing. There's no seniors in this movie. Who
Speaker 1: who had just graduated that day? He just left them
Speaker 1: out of the movie. Yeah. Um, I mean I guess
Speaker 1: there's Obanion who's technically like a failed senior. He was
Speaker 1: like going to be a senior again, right, I mean
Speaker 1: there's probably some levity there, But you know, I think
Speaker 1: that's a I think that's intentional on link later as part.
Speaker 1: I feel like he always likes to show people in
Speaker 1: moments of transition, you know, like, um, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think he ever likes to represent groups or people
Speaker 1: who are like stuck in any sort of power dynamic.
Speaker 1: It's always like, you know, we're changing, we're moving, We're
Speaker 1: going through some period of of alteration, you know, alteration. Um.
Speaker 1: And that's what makes these experiences interesting because you'll always
Speaker 1: remember those moments where you felt something different or you
Speaker 1: felt yourself changed in some way, right, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think those are the moments that are the most
Speaker 1: cinematic or when you're in or most dramatic at the
Speaker 1: very least, where you're in these periods of flux and
Speaker 1: there is uncertainty. Um and that I mean this, this
Speaker 1: whole movie is about that. I think Randall kind of
Speaker 1: addresses it most directly, but they're all feeling it. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I remember that feeling even though I knew like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to college, I'm going to Athens, that uncertainty
Speaker 1: is exciting and scary as ship. Yeah yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you know, and and again you mentioned Randall a k A.
Speaker 1: Pink Um, Yeah, you're right. He captures that philosophy so
Speaker 1: well by just constantly being on the fence about what
Speaker 1: he wants to do with his future. And I love
Speaker 1: the fact that they leave it so ambiguous. You know,
Speaker 1: he's going through this thing throughout the movie of like
Speaker 1: am I gonna play football next year? What am I
Speaker 1: gonna do with my life? And you know at the
Speaker 1: end he's just kind of like, I'm gonna do whatever
Speaker 1: I want and I will decide whenever I want to.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, completely up to me on my
Speaker 1: my terms, my schedule. Um. You know, I feel like
Speaker 1: that's so much just encapsulates that, you know that that
Speaker 1: coming through that era flex and with a triumph, right,
Speaker 1: like it doesn't it doesn't matter, you know, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do what I want to do. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: he manages to do it without ramming it down your
Speaker 1: throat as a filmmaker. I think, Uh, there's just this
Speaker 1: sort of easygoing authenticity. I think through all the link
Speaker 1: Lattery movies, UM, that you feel like you're you're watching
Speaker 1: these people that you know. Um, I mean, generations of
Speaker 1: people love this movie. Um. You know, my sisters in
Speaker 1: her like mid fifties, and people in their sixties relate.
Speaker 1: And then you're you know, how old are you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you people younger than you probably relate to this movie.
Speaker 1: It's really kind of a bit of a miracle like
Speaker 1: taste and confused. This movie set in seventy six is
Speaker 1: kind of like a touchdown for so many Yeah, that
Speaker 1: universal appeal. But you know, I mean again, I think
Speaker 1: he does that with all these movies in so many ways.
Speaker 1: When we were talking about Boyhood earlier, like yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I remember I saw that with my dad and I
Speaker 1: walked out. I was like, Dad, that was my life.
Speaker 1: He was like, that was my life too, you know. Wow,
Speaker 1: So that's cool. I get so annoyed when people don't
Speaker 1: like Boyhood more than other movies. Like Boyhood is one
Speaker 1: of those I just thought was so real and authentic
Speaker 1: and uh an experimental. And I've had some people I
Speaker 1: know in respect they were like, loo, could nothing happen
Speaker 1: in the movie. It's just so long, And I was
Speaker 1: just like, it just breaks my heart. Do you hear
Speaker 1: people think of that movie that way? It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, I mean, it's all kinds of personally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know your pain. I mean to me, like, uh,
Speaker 1: link Later is a lot like David Lynch in the
Speaker 1: sense that like, if you go into it looking for
Speaker 1: like plot or like you know, a traditional narrative arc,
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're not going to get much out
Speaker 1: of it. You're not You're going to be disappointed. But
Speaker 1: if you go into something, you know, looking to like
Speaker 1: experience something very real and relate to something or or
Speaker 1: you know, notice little details about life that you know,
Speaker 1: maybe don't ever get touched on anywhere else, and I
Speaker 1: think you're in for a treaty open your heart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly to Richard Letter. Uh, Parker Posey is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite actors. I've tried to get her on the
Speaker 1: show before. I'm going to try again, but um, this
Speaker 1: may be like peak Parker Posey. Yes, even though it's
Speaker 1: not a very big role, she just like made such
Speaker 1: an imprint in this movie. Is the the asshole, the
Speaker 1: asshole rising senior girl. Yeah, God, she's she's brutal. Um
Speaker 1: that you still like her somehow? Yeah you do? Um
Speaker 1: I saw um. I don't know if you ever like
Speaker 1: read letterbox reviews, but um, half of them mentioned Parker
Speaker 1: Posey and they're just like, man put Parker Posey's like
Speaker 1: the like girlfriend that I always wanted, who would just
Speaker 1: like being that outgoing and dominant all this like weird stuff.
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I mean, yeah, you're right. She made
Speaker 1: such an impression and that's probably why she was one
Speaker 1: of the few to really go on and be successful afterwards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was so funny. Emily and one of our my wife,
Speaker 1: one of the things we say in our house, probably
Speaker 1: six or eight times a year is wipe that face
Speaker 1: off your head. Yes, like one of us, one of
Speaker 1: us will be making kind of a gnarled at face
Speaker 1: about something and she'll go, hey, wipe that face off
Speaker 1: your head. I remember reading about that line. Um how
Speaker 1: she somebody like said it to her in real life
Speaker 1: and she was like, that is like the weirdest thing
Speaker 1: I've ever heard anyone say, And I'm going to take
Speaker 1: it and I'm going to use it in the next
Speaker 1: thing that I do. And she like brought it by
Speaker 1: a link later she was like, I have this weird
Speaker 1: thing that's been like, you know, circling around my head
Speaker 1: for a while. Can I like please say it in
Speaker 1: this movie? And he just like I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: that's Genia say it. So oh boy, it was such
Speaker 1: a fun uh fun line, oh I had. Pickford's dad
Speaker 1: was another one of those guys that seemed totally real
Speaker 1: and like a non actor, you know, were you going
Speaker 1: to have a party, just that formal sort of Southern
Speaker 1: way of talking, like unpack your bags, honey, we're staying
Speaker 1: home right. Apparently that guy, Sean Andrews was a real asshole.
Speaker 1: I was reading some sort of behind the scenes stuff
Speaker 1: and he and and Jason London didn't get along. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: and link Ladder talked about it. He was like, it's
Speaker 1: kind of one of those things. He said, Sean was
Speaker 1: going through his own thing and it was very aloof
Speaker 1: and he said, this is not the movie to be
Speaker 1: a loof on like part of the He said it
Speaker 1: was a hard movie to make, and he said part
Speaker 1: of the success of it was due to the summer
Speaker 1: camp thing, with all this cast being together, real life partying.
Speaker 1: Apparently in the last scene when they're driving get the
Speaker 1: Aerosmith tickets, Joey Lawren Adams were like, we were really stoned.
Speaker 1: He was like you were, and He's like, you guys
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to be doing that. She was like, we
Speaker 1: didn't do it much, but she said, we were all
Speaker 1: totally high in that last shot. Yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: kind of a weird thing if you think about it,
Speaker 1: Like the link later and the producers like took this
Speaker 1: cast of like you know, teens and twentysomething's, put them
Speaker 1: up in the same hotel for two months and like
Speaker 1: gave them like free rein to do whatever the funk
Speaker 1: they wanted when they weren't shooting. It sounds like a disaster,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you're right, I think that was so
Speaker 1: integral to the the authenticity of the film, right, Like
Speaker 1: let's let's get some actual communal vibes going that they
Speaker 1: can like channel on on the screen. So, um, I
Speaker 1: think it was really unfortunate to hear that. Sean Andrews
Speaker 1: who's he and Mila Djovivic were supposed to be like
Speaker 1: pretty pivotal characters in the movie, got cut out of
Speaker 1: most of it because like behind the scenes, like you
Speaker 1: were saying, like the two of them were just so
Speaker 1: like not interested. You know, they like didn't participate in
Speaker 1: the summer amp thing you were talking about. They kind
Speaker 1: of like broke off and like isolated themselves, and as
Speaker 1: a result, like the you know, the rest of the
Speaker 1: cast kind of hated them and didn't want anything to
Speaker 1: do with them. And well, he said he had to
Speaker 1: tell them at some point he had to pull he
Speaker 1: in London aside and was like, listen, guys, you don't
Speaker 1: like each other, but you gotta we gotta get this done,
Speaker 1: so like, you know, get it together. You guys gotta
Speaker 1: be friends on screen. Uh, they got married that they
Speaker 1: like eloped and John Andrews, Yeah, I think they got
Speaker 1: annulled like two months later or like what the fund
Speaker 1: did we do? But um, it's really interesting a little
Speaker 1: bit of behind the scenes drama there. Yeah, did you
Speaker 1: hear about the the other behind the scenes drama where um,
Speaker 1: Sean Andrews and Miladjovivic like lock themselves in a trailer
Speaker 1: because they wanted a link Later to like rewrite some
Speaker 1: lines for them what they like, refused to come to set. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so um, they got I guess, real cocky, real real
Speaker 1: egotistic about their role in the movie, and they were
Speaker 1: we want more scenes and we want to write it
Speaker 1: our way. And you know, this is like I think
Speaker 1: near the end of production, and link Later is like, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, yeah, we can't fire you, but
Speaker 1: like just like please play ball with us, and they
Speaker 1: were like no. So they like through like a little
Speaker 1: fit and they locked themselves in a trailer and they
Speaker 1: said they weren't going to participate in any more scenes
Speaker 1: until they like got what they wanted. And so I
Speaker 1: think that's ultimately why they got cut from like so
Speaker 1: much of the movie is like link Later was like, well, no,
Speaker 1: funck you guys, Like I'm not doing that good. I
Speaker 1: mean she was almost entirely cut. Um yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I guess he had a couple of livotal scenes in
Speaker 1: the car with a bowling ball, which is great. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then the you know, the party stuff when they
Speaker 1: were up in the beer kicked livery mishap, which was
Speaker 1: pretty funny too. I mean he was pretty good in it,
Speaker 1: and that's it's a shame he was he was not
Speaker 1: playing ball because uh I thought the character was pretty good.
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, he was funny. Um yeah, just it's just sad.
Speaker 1: I think that's just ultimately the kind of actor he was.
Speaker 1: You know, I just thought too much of himself and
Speaker 1: you know, cost him his career. It sounds like he
Speaker 1: wasn't in a lot after that. Um, let's talk about Waterson.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what else was there to talk about?
Speaker 1: You could spend a whole episode of the show talking
Speaker 1: about Matthew McConaughey as Waterson. I mean, it's one of
Speaker 1: the genius characters of all time, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of the legend around it. It's like, how many movies,
Speaker 1: especially a movie this small that you know, didn't make
Speaker 1: a lot of money, has become a cult hit. But
Speaker 1: um how many movies like this went on to spawn
Speaker 1: something that's like remained part of the lexicon and the
Speaker 1: cultural zeitgeist with the alright, alright, alright thing. I mean
Speaker 1: that alone is like that doesn't happen much. I oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I can't think of any more or any
Speaker 1: other movie that has more like gifts or memes that
Speaker 1: I can pull them on my phone and into people,
Speaker 1: you know, that are almost all entirely Matthew McConaughey based
Speaker 1: there's alright, alright, alright, yeah, there's a be a lot
Speaker 1: cooler if you did that. Man. We say that all
Speaker 1: the time. It's such a great line. A whole lot
Speaker 1: cooler if you did. I thought he was a real guy. Man.
Speaker 1: I think I've told this story before, but when that
Speaker 1: movie came out, I did. I thought he was one
Speaker 1: of those and he was a real Texas guy. But
Speaker 1: I thought he was a non actor that he just
Speaker 1: put in the movie, and that he really was sort
Speaker 1: of one of these old, sort of losery guys. I was,
Speaker 1: and my sister a couple of years later said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy Matthew McConaughey, he was the guy Watterson and said,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, I said that can't be. I said
Speaker 1: that was just some guy, and she said, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: he was. It was an actor. And my sister is
Speaker 1: not even like some big movie buff and she kind
Speaker 1: of schooled me on that, and I was just my
Speaker 1: mind was blown. Man. He was so real, and especially
Speaker 1: when you live in the South like there was that
Speaker 1: I mean, there are these guys everywhere, but there was
Speaker 1: always that guy that was, you know, twenty two and
Speaker 1: still hanging around. You know. It's it was so authentic
Speaker 1: and great. Yeah. Yeah, I think, um, every every like
Speaker 1: high school click has that guy you know, that who're
Speaker 1: just like never really found his way after high school
Speaker 1: and just kind of wanted to like stay eternally a
Speaker 1: high school senior um. And you know, It's it's always
Speaker 1: been really interesting to me how Matthew McConaughey um simultaneously
Speaker 1: captures like that creep status, but he's also like super
Speaker 1: likable somehow, Like they made him really like you still
Speaker 1: want to hang out with him even though he's like
Speaker 1: so weird and creepy and talks about uh, you know,
Speaker 1: teenage girls and very inappropriate ways. Um, you're still like
Speaker 1: but he's somehow lovable. And it's only Matthew McConaughey could
Speaker 1: pull that off. I think anybody else that would have
Speaker 1: been super gross. Yeah, and you know, he was creepy
Speaker 1: and gross and not to excuse anything, but like in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six, it wasn't the most uncommon thing for
Speaker 1: like a sixteen year old to date a twenty one
Speaker 1: year old. Um, you know, that kind of stuff happened
Speaker 1: back then, and of course ten years later, it's no
Speaker 1: big deal to be five or six years apart from somebody.
Speaker 1: But it's that high school non high school boundary. That's
Speaker 1: just it adds that creep element, you know, like, uh,
Speaker 1: the older boyfriend, like going to prom or something like that.
Speaker 1: He's been out of school for four or five years.
Speaker 1: It's just no getting around that. That's very uncomfortable, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know again somehow, even by the end of
Speaker 1: the movie, you know, Watterson still becomes this like leader
Speaker 1: amongst the troop of them, right. Yeah. That football scene,
Speaker 1: a football field scene at the end is I mean,
Speaker 1: it was kind of the perfect way for that movie
Speaker 1: too two to end. Uh. That that's where you get
Speaker 1: that great scene of Jason London sort of just looking
Speaker 1: off in the distance talking about the future and Matthew McConaughey,
Speaker 1: who apparently his father died in real life kind of
Speaker 1: in the early days of making this movie, and that
Speaker 1: whole just keep living thing was that all out? Yeah? Man,
Speaker 1: L V I N. I mean that's the name of
Speaker 1: his production company, J K. Livin Productions and Uh, you
Speaker 1: know it's they tread in some deeper waters throughout this
Speaker 1: movie here and there, but not so much that it
Speaker 1: gets bogged down. Yeah, it's it's very light touch, and
Speaker 1: I I always appreciate that, you know. Um, I think
Speaker 1: when you're like that young and you really are just
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, partying, experimenting with romance. Um,
Speaker 1: that's about the extent to what you think of stuff, right.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like there's always like this philosophical backdrop,
Speaker 1: but at the front of everything, you're just like trying
Speaker 1: to find yourself, you know, and um, you know, taking
Speaker 1: it one step at a time. And um, I think
Speaker 1: I think it just has to be that jovial for
Speaker 1: it to work. And with this with this cast, in
Speaker 1: this age group and that time period. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was a time like not to be old man, but
Speaker 1: it was a bit more of an innocent time. I
Speaker 1: don't know how things are now, you know, as a
Speaker 1: parent myself, you have all these fears that there's just
Speaker 1: so much more overt sexuality at younger and younger ages.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's just a fear, if
Speaker 1: that's the reality, I'll find out soon enough. But you know,
Speaker 1: back then when you were fourteen, like at least me too,
Speaker 1: I was. I was a religious kid in a late bloomer,
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to kiss a girl, and you know,
Speaker 1: like making out what the girl was the biggest thing,
Speaker 1: like the highest achievement romantically I could think about. And
Speaker 1: it did not go beyond anything beyond that scared the
Speaker 1: hell out of me, to be honest, until I was
Speaker 1: much older. But um, and you know there were kids
Speaker 1: around me of course that we're kind of like monkeying
Speaker 1: around with other stuff, but it was just a more
Speaker 1: innocent time where like you you hook up at a
Speaker 1: party and you like kiss somebody and that was like
Speaker 1: the best night ever. Yeah. It makes me like remember
Speaker 1: a scene in the movie that I totally forgot about,
Speaker 1: but it's like really funny. It's really funny rewatching it.
Speaker 1: And uh, they go to the middle school dance and
Speaker 1: there's that little back room where all the like eighth
Speaker 1: graders are all just like making out totally and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like like it makes you realize, like
Speaker 1: when I first made out with someone or like you
Speaker 1: know whatever else, like was it that Like I don't
Speaker 1: want to call it like pathetic, but like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just it feels so pathetic, you know, And oh
Speaker 1: my god, I felt so bad for that girl because
Speaker 1: they you know, she's making out with Hirschfeld and his
Speaker 1: friends basically rip them out of there. He's like, we
Speaker 1: gotta go, we gotta go to get the tub. He
Speaker 1: gets battle, but she just sort of sitting there like
Speaker 1: now she's all alone in the makeout him and feeling
Speaker 1: just so awkward and uncomfortable, and I'm just like I
Speaker 1: just want to go give her a hug and be
Speaker 1: like it's okay, like you know, get out of the
Speaker 1: makeout room, go back to the dance. And it feels
Speaker 1: so intense when you're that age too, right, like oh yeah, man,
Speaker 1: Like you were saying like that's just like the pinnacle
Speaker 1: of like your your romance goals at that age, and
Speaker 1: you like got it and it means the world when
Speaker 1: it's happening. Yeah, So it's so devastating when things like
Speaker 1: that happened. But that's that link letter touch man. That
Speaker 1: It's so there's so many little details like just that
Speaker 1: shot of that girl for two seconds, or when the
Speaker 1: I think he writes female characters really really well, um
Speaker 1: more so than like most male writer directors. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know the other little moments like when, um, they're all
Speaker 1: getting ready to go out that night and the girls
Speaker 1: laying down on the bed and her friend has used
Speaker 1: the pliers to zip her pants up because they're so tight.
Speaker 1: Like there's a generation of women from the seventies and sixties.
Speaker 1: I think that we're like, oh my god, how did
Speaker 1: he know that? He must have sisters? Because we totally
Speaker 1: had to do that to help each other in our pants. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had two older sisters. I know link later did Well,
Speaker 1: there you go. That that helps. I'm sure I think
Speaker 1: one of his sisters works with him on his movies too,
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, I mean, such a nice detail. There's
Speaker 1: another one. I don't know if you remember seeing this,
Speaker 1: but when Mitch goes to get beer at the liquor store,
Speaker 1: right before he checks out, there's this lady who checks
Speaker 1: out who's like pregnant or and she's like smoking and
Speaker 1: getting alcohol, and he's like, I hope that baby comes out,
Speaker 1: you know, it's good for you. Yeah, and he's like,
Speaker 1: remember to take your vitamins, like totally pass you by
Speaker 1: if you're not paying attention. But it's just like such
Speaker 1: a funny like I think, like, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to call it homage, but like funny imagery of
Speaker 1: the seventies and when yeah, smoking and drinking when you're pregnant,
Speaker 1: like of course, yeah, man, I mean it's crazy to
Speaker 1: think about people doing that now, but it used to happen.
Speaker 1: It's nuts. Um. I want to talk for a second
Speaker 1: about the little uh, the triad of Adam Goldberg, Anthony Rapp,
Speaker 1: and Marissa Rabisium. Yeah, I mean you've got this. I
Speaker 1: think I think more people like us identified with those
Speaker 1: three than than the others. Um. Like I was in
Speaker 1: the I kind of spanned clicks. In my school. I
Speaker 1: was really popular because I liked everyone and was well
Speaker 1: liked by everyone, So I hung out with the cool kids,
Speaker 1: but I hung out with this sort of these three
Speaker 1: that were sort of like what I would just call
Speaker 1: sort of not unpopular but kind of the the sort
Speaker 1: of smart crowd but not super super super nerdy. But
Speaker 1: I was also friends with the super nerds just because
Speaker 1: I don't know, I always just wanted to be nice
Speaker 1: to people and to be liked by people. So that
Speaker 1: was my goal, um or not my goal, that just
Speaker 1: my nature. But those three man there. I think my
Speaker 1: favorite in the movie too, is there is there one
Speaker 1: in particular you identify with the most curious. I don't
Speaker 1: really even identify so much. It's more just well, probably
Speaker 1: Anthony Rapp a little bit. Uh, he's a little bit
Speaker 1: shy and thinks he should maybe be playing a certain part,
Speaker 1: but it's not comfortable playing that part. Uh. Definitely not
Speaker 1: Adam Goldberg because he was you know, kind of neurotic guy. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's so good in it too. Yeah, if if I
Speaker 1: was to pick one, I'd probably say Adam Goldberg just
Speaker 1: because when he's having his a little cil crisis, his
Speaker 1: existential crises, you know, calls himself a missingthrope and he's
Speaker 1: talking about how he like just can't stand people. Like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I'm like that extreme, but like I
Speaker 1: feel that sometimes, you know, I really know what he's
Speaker 1: going through in that moment, and I've been there so well.
Speaker 1: I mean, then what do you how did it make
Speaker 1: you feel? Later when he gets in the fight with Clint,
Speaker 1: And I mean, Nikky Cat was so good in this,
Speaker 1: Like we all knew that guy too that was just
Speaker 1: so overly aggressive and wanted to get into a fight
Speaker 1: everywhere they went, and it's such a especially for guys
Speaker 1: like us, Like those guys just scared the hell out
Speaker 1: of me. I didn't want to be anywhere near them,
Speaker 1: not for fear of getting beat up, just that that
Speaker 1: energy was so bad for toxic. Yeah. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: those guys who were just like unnecessarily a grew all
Speaker 1: the time. Um, I agree. I I avoided them like
Speaker 1: the plague and um yeah, I mean god, that's seeing
Speaker 1: that fight really like yeah, it's it's hard to watch,
Speaker 1: you know, like it. Um, I don't know, Like something
Speaker 1: clicked in me when I saw that, where I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that's like that was like my worst fear was that happening.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I had nightmares as a teenager
Speaker 1: of like bumping into some dude like that the wrong
Speaker 1: way in the hallway and like him exploding. And I
Speaker 1: would do the exact same thing Adam Goldberg did, where
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I don't know what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: Like what's going on here? Like I'm sorry, I guess
Speaker 1: like afterwards, yeah totally, and you like you're done afterwards
Speaker 1: and you're like in your head like oh I should
Speaker 1: have said this or I should have done that or
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get back at him somehow, and um, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like it made me feel really like pathetic
Speaker 1: watching Adam Goldberg be pathetic man and sweet guy. I
Speaker 1: know what you mean though, It's I mean I was
Speaker 1: always using personality and humor to avoid any confrontation like that.
Speaker 1: So I was never threatened by bullies, but I saw
Speaker 1: it happen, and it always just it always just made
Speaker 1: me really uncomfortable. And I guess scared is the right word.
Speaker 1: I remember being scared a few times, like an elementary school,
Speaker 1: that kind of male aggression. Yeah, yeah, I like, I
Speaker 1: really hope it's gotten better. I feel like it hopefully
Speaker 1: has um for like high schoolers and young people now,
Speaker 1: but um, yeah it was. It was really hard to
Speaker 1: like ever feel comfortable in high school for that reason.
Speaker 1: I think, I think, like more than anything more than
Speaker 1: like stress of classes, more than like romance or dating
Speaker 1: or you know, feeling like you're going to fit into
Speaker 1: any clique. Um, the like thread of machies moo dudes,
Speaker 1: I think the number one aggressor to my life back then.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, and almost universally you know, you're you're
Speaker 1: still pretty young, but you see how it works, like
Speaker 1: almost universally, those guys, that's their peak in high school,
Speaker 1: you know. Ah, and you know, and and what happened
Speaker 1: to Clint. You know, his dad probably beat the ship
Speaker 1: out of him, you know, alcohol, Yeah, probably, And it's
Speaker 1: that that cycle of of abuse that's just so real. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know, now people like you are like super
Speaker 1: talented musicians and podcast producers and cool and artistic, and
Speaker 1: those guys are are selling hun Day's. Yeah. It does
Speaker 1: make you wonder, you know, And I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the things you leave dazed, you know, always like
Speaker 1: thinking about, is like what happens to these people later?
Speaker 1: You know, everybody from Clinton Adam Goldberg. You're just like,
Speaker 1: who do these people become? You know, I've really I've
Speaker 1: always really wanted to know totally, because it's nice to
Speaker 1: think that, like, you know, this person becomes this successful
Speaker 1: person in that asshole like ends up just becoming a
Speaker 1: you know, living in a trailer park whatever. But right
Speaker 1: who knows, you know, It's just like it might not
Speaker 1: turn out that way. It's just I don't know, there
Speaker 1: are outliers, but I'm a firm believer in the good
Speaker 1: people usually come out on top in some way. It
Speaker 1: may not be necessarily riches and fortune or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but I just think that that leading a good life
Speaker 1: and being kind to people just leads to more goodness eventually.
Speaker 1: And in the opposite, the people like Clinton obanion that
Speaker 1: that never leads anywhere good. They're never going to find
Speaker 1: great successes in life by being assholes. But sometimes that happens,
Speaker 1: you see it. Yeah, Yeah, it's It's definitely not a
Speaker 1: black and white thing. But yeah, I think I I
Speaker 1: too hold that that hope and that belief. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And for for the good of these very lovely, beautiful
Speaker 1: characters in this movie, I I hope that dynamic works
Speaker 1: for them. Yeah. They were so fun to watch, the
Speaker 1: three of them, and I thought it was so great. Um.
Speaker 1: I read this morning and apparently link Ladder went to
Speaker 1: Marissa Rubis and was like, who, we gotta get you
Speaker 1: a guy, and like, you think about who that might be,
Speaker 1: and I'll think about it too, and we'll come back
Speaker 1: tomorrow and talk. And he came back and he was
Speaker 1: like Waterson and she said, that's perfect. She's like the
Speaker 1: one guy that it shouldn't be. And there was something
Speaker 1: about it when I don't know, man, there was something
Speaker 1: kind of sweet about it, like she was charmed by
Speaker 1: his waterson nous and I think, you know, I could
Speaker 1: see them being good for each other and her making
Speaker 1: him a bit of a better guy instead of the
Speaker 1: other way around. Like I want to think good things
Speaker 1: about those two. That's a really good point. I never
Speaker 1: thought of that. Um, you know, I think I was
Speaker 1: so caught up with the creepiness of him dating or
Speaker 1: going after, you know, a high school girl, that I
Speaker 1: hadn't really ever considered the actual chemistry there. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think you're right. You know, she is like of
Speaker 1: the whole cast of you know, female characters, like probably
Speaker 1: the most mature and able to like handle his bullshit.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, not that like the responsibility. But what happens
Speaker 1: at that Aerosmith concert, Like that's the sequel, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's two weeks later they're going on this date. Uh
Speaker 1: that that's pretty great. Um. The thing about that fight,
Speaker 1: though I wanted to kind of put a button on,
Speaker 1: is that it is such a great moment in the movie. Um,
Speaker 1: because you know that it takes place over a big
Speaker 1: long day and night, which is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: kinds of movies. I love it when movies do that,
Speaker 1: and he does that a few times in his movies
Speaker 1: or you know, years or or the but he you know,
Speaker 1: this fight happens. It's a big moment for Adam Goldberg's
Speaker 1: character and that he did stand up for himself but
Speaker 1: he got his ass kicked and when he was kind
Speaker 1: of crying afterwards, it was so like so upsetting, but
Speaker 1: it led to that great grain shot at the moon
Speaker 1: Tower party and Tuesday's Gone kicks in by skinnered and
Speaker 1: the beer kegs run dry, and it's just like it's
Speaker 1: just perfect filmmaking, you know, yeah, yeah, Um, I think
Speaker 1: like we were saying earlier, you know, link later, you know,
Speaker 1: really values the mundane. But at the same time, he
Speaker 1: has such like a cinematic eye, you know, like he
Speaker 1: knows how to really fucking hit you where it hurts
Speaker 1: in the heart, just by like you know, using certain
Speaker 1: shots and imagery and yeah, you know, things like that,
Speaker 1: and you're right like that, um, that little ending there,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a little montage of like, you know,
Speaker 1: going home at the end of the night and everything's
Speaker 1: over and you know, what could have possibly been the
Speaker 1: best night of your life now in the rear view
Speaker 1: mirror and that's yeah, that's a that's a tough pill
Speaker 1: to swallow. I like, yeah, like that hit my heart
Speaker 1: last night. When I was rewatching it, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: like I I had a couple of nights like that
Speaker 1: in my like high school college years, and I'll probably
Speaker 1: never have them again. Yeah, I know, man, it's uh,
Speaker 1: it made me miss um and not because of COVID,
Speaker 1: just because being old, like you know, going to those big,
Speaker 1: big fucking ragor parties like it just didn't happen anymore
Speaker 1: when you're my age, and those were the days. Man.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of those days in college when you're
Speaker 1: with your best friends and the sun's coming up and uh,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna feel like ship and pay for
Speaker 1: it and but like you wouldn't change a thing about it.
Speaker 1: It's so evocative that that sun peeking up and and
Speaker 1: the way he shot it too, and um, he must
Speaker 1: have shot those scenes in a in a real morning,
Speaker 1: because they all looked like it was morning, and they
Speaker 1: all looked like they had been partying all night. I mean,
Speaker 1: the whole look of the film period was so real,
Speaker 1: Unlike a lot of movies set in the seventies where
Speaker 1: it's so clearly dressed and decorated and hairstyle like it
Speaker 1: just it looked like he managed to PLoP a camera
Speaker 1: down in nineteen seventy six and kind of film these people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: part of me wonders if that has to do with
Speaker 1: the fact that it was, you know, relatively speaking, kind
Speaker 1: of a low budget, you know, like, yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: five or six million bucks. I think, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: so they weren't too concerned with like making everybody look
Speaker 1: you know, glistening or anything, which is probably from the best.
Speaker 1: You know. I think it gave it a more rustic,
Speaker 1: you know, real lived in kind of look, which is good. Totally.
Speaker 1: Those cars, I mean, the ages really well. As a result.
Speaker 1: I think, um, those goddamn cars and that truck man
Speaker 1: what's his faces at black pickup truck? So sweet. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're a Texas guy, you probably have an appreciation
Speaker 1: for like sixties pickup trucks. Yep. So in Austin every
Speaker 1: year they do forget what it's called. But um, I
Speaker 1: remember my middle school was right on the main drag
Speaker 1: on you know, South Congress Avenue in Austin, which is
Speaker 1: the Staith that leads to the Capitol, and every year
Speaker 1: they they do this like run of the Cars thing
Speaker 1: where all these like old cars from the fifties, sixties,
Speaker 1: and seventies, um like, over the course of two hours,
Speaker 1: just like NonStop driving through Congress all the way to
Speaker 1: the Capitol and around downtown. UM. So yeah, it's I
Speaker 1: think it's like a very like nostalgic thing to like
Speaker 1: see that, And I think it's a it's a big
Speaker 1: part of the fabric of that city and the culture
Speaker 1: there too. You know, it's very Texas, it's very Austin. Really,
Speaker 1: I love it. They nailed that so well. Is there
Speaker 1: one car that you love the most you wish you
Speaker 1: could have had? Well, I mean I love Melbot Toast, yea,
Speaker 1: I wrote, I mean I might as well. I copy
Speaker 1: pasted that part. Let me tell you what Melbot Toast
Speaker 1: is packing. Right here. We got four eleven posit track
Speaker 1: out back, seven fifty double pumper edel Brock intake board
Speaker 1: over thirty eleven to one pop up Pistons, turbo Jet
Speaker 1: three ninety horsepower. We're talking some fucking muscle. That's so Texas.
Speaker 1: I love it. They ganked that shot over lunch one day.
Speaker 1: He said they had to do that a lot because
Speaker 1: the budget, and they just were like sneaking things in
Speaker 1: wherever they could. And McConaughey said, the camera his dp
Speaker 1: uh he was, He's like, who knows about cars? And
Speaker 1: his DP was like I do. And he went write
Speaker 1: some ship down on this piece of paper. And then
Speaker 1: Nicky Kat too, like he was so perfect. He's like,
Speaker 1: you gotta get some shoes on that thing. Man. He
Speaker 1: was like white lightning. He had that white trans am
Speaker 1: and he's talking about his tires and he called his
Speaker 1: ice skates or something. And I mean that is that
Speaker 1: is Texas, that is Stone Mountain, Georgia. That is like Detroit, Michigan.
Speaker 1: It's like these muscle car dudes. Yeah, Like even if
Speaker 1: you don't know cars that well or no one they're
Speaker 1: talking about ID, it's somehow just like it hits you
Speaker 1: somewhere because you've known people who had those conversations around you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's just I grew up with a guy that
Speaker 1: went to my church in the youth group that had
Speaker 1: an old four forty two muscle car that was red
Speaker 1: with black racing stripes. And my I talked to my
Speaker 1: brother the other day he still has that car, and
Speaker 1: I was like he does, and he was like, oh yeah, man,
Speaker 1: and he was like that's he's had that car for
Speaker 1: literally like forty years now and works on it himself,
Speaker 1: that whole deal. And it's just like it's a machine.
Speaker 1: I've never driven one of those. One of my life
Speaker 1: goals is to, like is to drive like a really
Speaker 1: sweet seventies muscle car one day at least once. I'll
Speaker 1: keep an eye out. I mean, I'm not even a
Speaker 1: car guy, but I love that ship. Yeah. Same. I'm
Speaker 1: sure Rick Linklater knows where to get one. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my dad used to have. My dad was an old
Speaker 1: Austin hippie and he used to have, um, one of
Speaker 1: those you know, old school seventies VW buses. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: You see a couple of them in the movie Oh Cool.
Speaker 1: And I remember he had it when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and I think he jumped it maybe like a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, which suck, but I think it was
Speaker 1: just completely like useless at that point, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: ten years ago, right, But man, what I would do
Speaker 1: to like see that and have it in my possession again,
Speaker 1: totally dude. Uh well, man, I think we did it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the soundtrack. We talked a little
Speaker 1: bit about the it's just an assault of great music. Um.
Speaker 1: I think my favorite kind of sequence in the movie
Speaker 1: is it's almost unfair how he assaults you with these
Speaker 1: songs all in a row. It's when he does a
Speaker 1: Hurricane by Bob Dylan in the pool hall scene, that
Speaker 1: great slow motion shot at Waterson, and then almost right
Speaker 1: afterward it's followed by the bowling ball scene with I
Speaker 1: Just Want to make Love to You, and then right
Speaker 1: after that Paranoid by Sabbath comes on, and it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: it's not fair, Like, how can you stack this movie
Speaker 1: like that? Yeah? I think god, like half the movie's
Speaker 1: budget must have gone to just licensing all those you know,
Speaker 1: those tracks. It was one six actually I looked at
Speaker 1: the full sixth of the movie, which doesn't sound light much,
Speaker 1: but that's a lot of money to go towards music licensing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, Um yeah, I think you know, link Later
Speaker 1: fought a pretty tough battle with it was a universal
Speaker 1: I think, so yeah, yeah about like licensing that stuff,
Speaker 1: because you know, when they gave him money for the movie,
Speaker 1: you know, they were kind of just trying this guy
Speaker 1: out seeing what he could do, weren't taking days and
Speaker 1: confused super seriously as one of their top pictures of
Speaker 1: the year or anything. So when this like you know,
Speaker 1: new director comes around, like you know, I need to
Speaker 1: license all these like super popular, like amazing tracks from
Speaker 1: the seventies, They're like, yeah, we're not going to do that,
Speaker 1: but somehow he got his way. Yeah you have to. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's one of the few movies. One of my
Speaker 1: big pet peeves in movies is a music cue that's
Speaker 1: two on the nose. Uh. And this is one of
Speaker 1: the few movies where he does it a couple of times,
Speaker 1: like when he plays schools out for summer, like literally
Speaker 1: when schools out for summer and they're leaving the school.
Speaker 1: But I don't care, man, what else are you going
Speaker 1: to play there? Yeah? Trying to remember when I just
Speaker 1: want to make love to you that line hits. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's got to be in one of the
Speaker 1: makeout scenes. I can't remember, but um, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, it's just like it works when it's
Speaker 1: on the news in this movie, and it rarely does
Speaker 1: anywhere else. It's all over the place. I think love
Speaker 1: Hurts is one of this ad songs during the makeout stuff,
Speaker 1: and uh, there was one other one I can't remember
Speaker 1: that was super on the Nose, But I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: It's just it's magic. It all works. It's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite movies. I think the only you know track
Speaker 1: we probably got to talk about at least for a second.
Speaker 1: It's just the track that didn't make it, which was
Speaker 1: Days and Confused, the led Zeppelin track. Yeah, and what's
Speaker 1: the story? Um, so you know, led Zeppelin is pretty
Speaker 1: notorious for like not letting anybody license their tracks for
Speaker 1: film or anything else. Um, I think, you know, it's
Speaker 1: been virtually impossible for anybody to get their songs for anything.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I think link Later pushed pretty
Speaker 1: hard for this one. He was like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: the name of our movie, Like, we gotta have this track.
Speaker 1: It has to be the last thing they do when
Speaker 1: they're going to get Aerosmith tickets. And um, they almost
Speaker 1: got it. They got three out of the four members
Speaker 1: to agree to it. They got Jimmy Page to sign
Speaker 1: off on it, which was like pretty miraculous because he's
Speaker 1: usually like the toughest of all of them. Um, and
Speaker 1: then I forget exactly what the reason was, but at
Speaker 1: the last minute it was Jim Um. Not to me,
Speaker 1: it was Robert Plant, who was like nah, like he
Speaker 1: like he like turned it down and he wouldn't let
Speaker 1: them have it. Um. So yeah, for whatever reason, I
Speaker 1: feel like it was just like some some scheduling conflict
Speaker 1: to a Robbert Plant, just like I was, was doing
Speaker 1: something else and didn't feel comfortable with signing off on
Speaker 1: him at that moment. But I think that was the deal.
Speaker 1: I read some about it too, and I think, Um,
Speaker 1: I think the members weren't super communicative at the time,
Speaker 1: and this was the time where they just weren't talking much,
Speaker 1: uh and sort of doing their own thing. Richard Linkletter
Speaker 1: wasn't some big name so there he was just kind
Speaker 1: of like, well, I'm even paying attention to this. But
Speaker 1: I think he did say link later said that later,
Speaker 1: like ten years later, he met them and he might
Speaker 1: have used something for something else, but he said it
Speaker 1: kind of came full circle in a really nice way
Speaker 1: later in his life with those guys. Yeah. I forget
Speaker 1: what the anecdote is, but I remember reading that as well,
Speaker 1: where I think he eventually got to license something from
Speaker 1: them for a later movie. So, um, yeah, exactly what
Speaker 1: maybe like Bernie or something, but another good movie. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's funny, like as much as you want to
Speaker 1: hear that song in that movie that end with slow ride,
Speaker 1: like you can't like what else does? Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 1: it more than once? Wasn't It was like two or
Speaker 1: three times a couple of times. Oh wow, that's funny,
Speaker 1: which is something I don't normally do. Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was good. Absolutely well, dude, this is a lot of
Speaker 1: fun Um. One of my favorite filmmakers, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite movies. I say we make just this part of
Speaker 1: a filmmaker series and go ahead. And you know, he
Speaker 1: does so many we can't do them all, but maybe
Speaker 1: we can pick out like four or five of our
Speaker 1: favorites and uh and do this every couple of months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd love to. Um, you know, Waking Life is another
Speaker 1: big one there. I mean, he's got so many things,
Speaker 1: so anytime. Yeah, Suburbia that's another one I really like. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's maybe we'll talk about the spiritual sequel everybody wants? Um,
Speaker 1: did you like that? I actually haven't seen it? Okay,
Speaker 1: well all right, but have been in that then yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. Um. I've been on a quest recently to
Speaker 1: watch all the few that have slipped by me over
Speaker 1: the years, and that was one of them, along with
Speaker 1: Last Flag Flying. I still haven't seen that one either,
Speaker 1: but yeah, there's a couple of those I didn't see,
Speaker 1: the one with Kate Blanchett or the last Flag Flag
Speaker 1: Jesus can even say it last Flag Flying. Um, I
Speaker 1: will just say this. I don't want it to taint anything.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants some I enjoyed it is not this m
Speaker 1: Great Days and Confuses is sort of lives in its
Speaker 1: own space among all movies. Um. But it's good. It's
Speaker 1: fun cool. Yeah, So I guess I'll have to rewatch
Speaker 1: it and or just watch it for the first time
Speaker 1: and then when reconvene and totally see see what happens.
Speaker 1: All right, man, Well, this is a lot of fun,
Speaker 1: and uh, I think people will enjoy this and look
Speaker 1: forward to more Richard Linkladder stuff in the future. Not
Speaker 1: agree more. Well, thanks Jack, I really appreciate it, Thanks, Bud.
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