WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Jimmy Swagger 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.320 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:14.360 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Boys. This is Mick 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.560 Shot screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:23.840 official Dallas Cowboys Half now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:31.040 and Nicky Spagnola, and it is officially now Packers Week. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:36.680 Here inside the SWABC podcast studio at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:41.120 This is Mick Shots, Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and the 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:47.240 star of our show, Mickey Spagnola. He's the cheesehead. By time, 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.839 somebody's figured that out. He's the cheese head expert guy. 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.320 You gotta cheese head at home there, Mickey. You know 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.080 he does. He doesn't. I'm surprised you didn't bring it. 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.280 I'm surprised you didn't bring it yesterday. Yeah, they didn't 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:05.760 have the didn't do the cheese. You think Lombardi would 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:07.679 have put up with a cheese head. I don't. I 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.520 don't think so. There are a football player. There was 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:14.000 no football field out there today. I noticed, yes there is. Yes, 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:20.679 there was no leaping in the stands either. By the ways, 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:25.440 Brad Sham, I'm gonna save you. I'm gonna save your spine, 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.800 I save you trying to turn around and familiar with 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:33.960 the ice bowl, can you hear me? He stopped. I 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:38.520 don't think so. We're more familiar with the Who knows 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.120 if he was watching it back in sixty seven, I'm sure, 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.360 I'm sure he was. Everybody did they have television back then? 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:49.480 Black and white? They did nineteen inches if you were lucky. 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:54.000 When when's first time you got a colored TV? Man, 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.120 that's a good one. I would imagine the seventies, okay, 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.240 and uh, you know, still the same cheap stuff because 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.440 eventually you're gonna have to get the pliers to change 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:07.640 the channel. Right, We hadn thing always blakes is cheap plastics, 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:11.200 So you have to eventually get the pliers. Our knob 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.520 and our TV broke, and you know we kind of 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.280 fit on that that little screw there, Ye got the 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:21.280 little in the middle, and uh, instead of getting a 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:25.720 new TV. You remember the little kind of key thing 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.680 that opened up coffee cans. We had to stick that 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.480 in there and to turn it. That's right, all right? 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:38.440 This suppliers, dude, what are you doing? Fit right in there? 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:42.120 Right because there was a groove, right, we never had 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.600 growing up a color TV. I don't think they had 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.640 a couple of my parents until we bought them one 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.000 for some occasion my sister. Wow. So this would have 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.640 been like in early eighties. So when was the first 0:02:55.639 --> 0:03:01.360 time you saw the Green Bay Packers in green meeting 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:05.520 in person? You couldn't see it on your black and 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.040 white TV that they're actually wore green jersey. It was 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.560 either at somebody else's house or maybe when I was 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.240 in college, because the first hockey game I went to, 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.280 and I'm used to watching hockey in black and white, 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.000 and I walked into Chicago Stadium and it was like, 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:23.440 oh wow, the blue lines blue and the red lines red, 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.200 and look at those uniforms in color, you know, along 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.560 those lines, because there was no first time in the 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:33.560 paper either, Okay, along those lines. The first time that 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:38.840 I saw how green the Boston Celtics uniforms are was 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.080 probably at Reunion Area to see him alive in person. Okay, 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.119 TV doesn't do it justice. And the other thing is 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:50.920 how gold the Notre Dame helmets are. You have to 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:55.360 see it in person to really appreciate just the most 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:59.960 striking colors I've seen. It was cotton bowl, the green 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:04.360 glass and in the highlights from the Bowl. Yeah Nelson 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.840 at the Yeah, just I'm just just you know, it 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.920 was always sunny, seems like in in the Cotton Bowl 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.120 and what they called it sunny South Dallas. That's why 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.760 they called it. So it's like to watch, you know, 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.360 I just remember Don Meredith in Bob Hayes and just 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.200 you know, it's like, wow, this is this is so 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.719 colorful and and and it was the claudio was just amazing. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:28.640 That was probably the first time I saw a color 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:33.159 uh in the NFL when I actually went to a game. Yeah, 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:34.960 so you got you thought before you went to the 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:39.200 game that people played in black and white, had no 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.839 clue what it looked like. Everything. I guarantee you the 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.560 Ice Bowl was gray. Okay, it was a gray day, 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.760 all right. So, um, team is on the field. Yes, 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.080 bring us up to speed with what we need to 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.559 know as they are back to work here. I saw 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.760 Zeke out there and he looked like he was getting ready. 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.839 Had a helmet, so that's a step in the right direction. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.920 Looked like he was getting ready to do his rehab. 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:09.200 McCarthy said that, you know, he said that Zeke came 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.920 up to him before sometime in the morning whatever they 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.960 were doing and said, yeah, coach, I'm ready to go, 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.680 and he goes and that's what they all say. So 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.800 I was glad he added that, but he said that, 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:26.280 you know, we'll see where he's at. It felt like 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:32.320 Malik Hooker and Sam Williams were ready to go, maybe 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.640 not the whole thing, but at least limited, if not better. 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.120 I think the one guy, you know, and Zeke will 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.760 see as it goes on. Zeke thinks he's playing on Sunday. 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.920 I think the one guy they're a little worried about 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:50.760 is Anthony Barr with that hamstring. And you know I 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:55.159 found out, you know, before the bye that they worried 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:59.400 about him just because of his age, thirty whatever soft tissue, 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.640 So they were going to be real careful with that one. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.599 That they didn't extend his recent back record too. But 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.200 he missed a lot of games last year with the Vikings. Right, 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:12.200 who's his backup? Clark? Oh your boys thirty three and 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:13.920 you know you're going to see a lot of Damon 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:18.120 Clark and continue to see a lot of durn Bland too, 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.719 by the way, because you know Lewis won't be there. 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:23.479 He's been done very well. He's lift up to his 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.320 preseason hype. Well, i'll tell you what you know. And 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.120 somebody said, a how's he playing? I said, if you 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.839 think about it, you know, he's a rookie. He's at 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:33.760 and played any and all of a sudden he had 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.400 to play in two games to start, and I don't 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:40.159 think we got any arguments A pivot pivotal y pivot 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.400 had broke up the one in the end, So if 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.160 he would turn around, he'd be happier. Yeah, but it 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.479 was he. I liked this, his sense of urgency as 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.080 that ball was in the air, because how fast is 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.960 he Well we can find that out. And his catchup 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.880 speed on that ball he was and he's he was. 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.719 It was digs like he's got he's got instincts, and 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.360 that's that's a good thing, especially for that position, right 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.320 to play as a rookie, to be in the slot. 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.920 So yeah, but other than that, I think everybody else, 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.880 you know, curse should be out there. Um. He said 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.800 they had a couple of guys receivers look like they 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.200 had the flu, but they were practice squad guys. Um, 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:25.480 So you know I worry about by came at exactly 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.160 the right time. You know what I worry about with 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:32.160 these young guys is being uh believing the hype of 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.160 the of the Packers, believing the hype of that that 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.640 home field advantage, right that green Bay always has. And 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.040 the Aaron Rodgers. You know, of course he's a great player. 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:46.880 When I say myth, I mean just his reputation preceding him. Uh, 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:51.080 don't let that yeah beat you, like intimidate you exactly 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.360 go in, go in with with the mindset of respect, 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:56.680 because you have to respect the game, right, you have 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:00.080 to respect your opponent, but at the same time, you 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.960 disrespect them because it's like you should not even be 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.200 on the field with us. Eventually, that's what you want 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.240 to try and show the Green Bay Packers if you're 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.680 the Dallas Cowboys. Somebody asked McCarthy about you know, explained 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:14.680 to them lambeau Field and the weather, and he goes, 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.040 oh yeah, he goes, you know, we spent time on 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.920 that and you know what cleats you should wear on 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.360 that grass And and then he said, and by the way, 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.440 you know, whatever the temperature was supposed to be at 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.320 kickoff is I think it was the high thirties. Whoever 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.760 he said that, I counted up on the roster, and 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:38.440 he goes, they've got fewer guys from the north than 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:42.800 we do. That like grew up in that kind of weather, 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.280 he said, So they should be worried about these boys 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.640 from the south coming in because they more of our 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.760 guys have grown up in the North than they have. 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:56.000 So right now in Green Bay, the temperature is fifty 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.760 nine degrees. It is cloudy. It's supposed to be fine, 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.640 and till Sunday it is. It's gets a cold front 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.640 comes through on Saturday. It looks like because the high 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.720 on Saturday is thirty seven with a low of twenty six, 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.079 and on Sunday it's a high of thirty seven a 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:17.080 low of twenty four. As long as it's a still day, 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:21.240 as long as the wind, yeah, whipping around. I think 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.120 I saw the precipitation was like one or two percent 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.400 chance or something like that. When no wind, gus my 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:31.160 little app has a partly cloudy day. That's good. That's 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.920 Green Bay. You can't beat that, right, I mean, when 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.920 you're talking football, you know you want it to be chilly, 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.640 but you just it's the precipitation in the wind that 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.959 just really messes up. Again for the first time, we're 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.640 actually staying in Green Bay? Is Nate? Is Nate texting you? 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:53.200 He is? Is he watching practice for us? Let us 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:59.719 know who watching practice? Oh? No? Better turned down by it. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.280 Whatever whatever he was wearing he had he had like 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.720 white socks coming out of his shoes and then he 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.319 had some tights on. It looked like his his ankles 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:12.559 were spatted up, ready to go practice, Nate, Nate, Okay, 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.840 what is he doing? What is he doing? Is he 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.480 spatted up? He looked like if you saw that, if 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:23.679 you saw walking around, what the heck is he doing? Man? 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:28.000 Did you like playing at lambeau Field? I only played 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.640 there once and we want that good of a team? 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:32.440 I think that was in eighty nine. I think it 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:37.040 was the one in fifteen season? Uh, you know, very uneventful, 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.680 you know, bet Fa I was playing our book? Is there? Yeah? 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.000 Still there? Yeah? Yeah? That the year copy. That was 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.600 a year you had to play him twice, didn't you know? 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.240 One of those years he ended up playing car would 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.560 not have been there in eighty nine. So I was 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.679 if I'm not it could be maybe maybe with the Giants, 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.520 could be eighty No, it was not with the Giants, 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.160 Are you never? I was definitely with the Cowboys, and 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.120 we got a buzz kid. Okay, there was no doubt 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:04.760 about it. It was one. It would be the eighty eight, 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:16.839 eighty nine and is already coming in, says so eighty nine, 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.840 and I was right. They ended up playing the Packers twice. 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.679 Why didn't we play them twice in eighty nine? They 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:29.800 started that with I forgot which teams because in ninety 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.800 they ended up playing Tampa Bay twice. I don't even 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.840 before expansion. We played them in the both in at 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.800 Lambeau No, right, at Green Bay October eighth, and then 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.440 closed the season at home against Green Bay. That was 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:47.120 your last Oh, that was your last game? Right? I was? 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:48.720 I was. That's when Jimmy had put me on the 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.440 bench the second half of the season. That's why I 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.640 didn't remember the second game. I was playing special teams. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:59.199 And then in in ninety one they played them in Milwaukee. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:03.079 I remember that distinctly. The magic Man was at quarterback 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:08.880 for Green Bay. So in eighty nine you lost in 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:14.040 green Bay thirty one thirteen, and on New Year or 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.480 Christmas Eve you got beat twenty to ten. And the 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:22.120 reason I remember that is it was freezing cold out 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:28.600 and the pipes at Texas Stadium froze, like the bathrooms 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.000 were inoperable because the pipes were frozen. I don't think 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.079 I took a shot away after the game. I didn't 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.120 know I did. It was in the locker room. It 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:40.720 was for the fans, and I'll never forget. So that 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:45.760 finished the season one in fifteen, right, and Frank luxA, 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:50.720 my Cohart at the Dallas Times. Harold basically wrote, and 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:55.080 what a fitting end to the season. It was so 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.560 bad on the final game they couldn't even flush it 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:03.959 down the toilet. That's fun. That's what are those like you? Go? 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.959 Why did I think of that? Okay, so the Cowboys 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:13.440 finished one in fifteen. Obviously in nineteen eighty nine, well 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.160 I know. And of course, the Cowboys first round draft 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.920 pick they had used on Steve Walsh. Otherwise they would 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.480 have had the first pick in the draft two years 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.280 in a row, and they would have had supplemental that's 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.240 when they were supplemental draft draft, yes, right, yes, and 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.960 they used their first round pick thinking, okay, well we 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.120 won't have the first round pick again. And sure enough, 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.800 and I think Walsh had had he led them to 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:44.800 a championship, to the National Championship that previous year because 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.560 Jimmy was was was hot for him. He had to 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:51.079 have he had to hit him, and it was he 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.640 was like de Nucci to me. You know, he was 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.680 that guy that was a good Cottage quarterback. But that 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:00.360 transferred to the pros. He wasn't ready his rookie. And 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.200 as it turned out, they could have had the first 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.760 pick in the draft all three years because they ended 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:09.520 up trading for it in ninety one and took Russell Maryland. Okay, 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:13.280 and so they did draft Emmett and we've talked about it. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:17.000 Emmett been trading up to seventeen to take him in 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:21.720 the first round in nineteen ninety. So who do you 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.520 think the Cowboys would have taken? Wow, that's always a 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:28.040 good pick, that's always. Ah. It would have been the 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:32.360 best defensive player they would Cortes Kennedy from Miami. Yes, 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.600 they absolutely would have. Yeah, because they because they didn't 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:40.200 like they didn't like um the running back Blair Thomas, 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.840 who wound up with the Cowboys several years. Yeah, but 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.760 the Jets took him number two. Here's all right, here's 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:51.000 who went Oh, this is interesting, here's who went top 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.560 five in that draft. And it's funny because I knew 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.800 that they had taken they'd lost their first round pick 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.480 on Walsh, and I don't recall ever going back and 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.440 figuring out who it was it that they could have 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.920 had with that pick. We talked about how great the 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:09.080 Cowboys draft picks were with Jimmy, you know, when he 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.040 came in and everything, but supplemental draft being the exception. 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.880 But the supplemental Draft, they gave up their first round pick. 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.080 The first pick in the draft in nineteen ninety was 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.920 Jeff George. Obviously they wouldn't I don't think they would 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:21.880 have taken it, and they weren't going to take Blurred. 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:23.840 They could have done the same principle and they did 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:27.520 with Steve Walsh though. Take the quarterback, all right. So 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.480 the second pick was Blair Thomas. The third pick Seattle 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.960 took Cortez Kennedy and obviously be in the Miami go 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.160 any farther than that, But here's the enter. The fourth 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.000 pick was Keith mccanis to Tampa Bay. The fifth pick, 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:44.720 linebacker USC Junior say Out went to the Chargers. Yeah, 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.240 he would. He would have taken Cortes Kennedy, no doubt, 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.920 and especially with Jimmy's background and as a defensive line coach, 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:56.720 and as it turned out, they were all hot and 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:03.560 bothered by getting the linebacker I'm Baylor, James James Francis. 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:08.520 They tried to trade up to get him, and Cincinnati, oh, no, 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:13.080 whoever they needed to get whoever was before Cincinnati, they 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.920 were trying to trade up with them. They couldn't do it. 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.120 I think it was maybe Kansas City. And then after 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:25.920 Cincinnati took James Francis, Jimmy called Cincinnati and wanted to 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.880 trade with Cincinnati for James Francis, and they wouldn't do it, 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:34.640 so they settled for Emmatt Smith, who would have been 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.320 the next running back taken after Blair Thomas. So no 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.680 running backs went after the second pick in the draft 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.560 until Cowboys took Emmett at seventeen. And there were three 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:50.840 Hall of Famers in that first round, Cortes Kennedy, Junior 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.680 sale At, Emma c Emmett Smith. They could have had 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:59.640 two if they hadn't have made the supplemental pick for them, right, 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.680 they could have had Cortez Kennedy and Emmett Smith that draft. Yeah, 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.000 so I wonder then and then would they have then 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:13.880 done the Russell Maryland trade. No, No, they were like Kennedy. 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.240 That's right. So is that in the book? Is there 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.680 a chapter? If I wish now, we would have had 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:24.760 this conversation yesterday and I could have asked Jimmy and 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.280 confirmed who you would have taken, because I talked to 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.399 Jimmy this morning and uh, well, let's hear about it. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.880 Well it was great. Well, let's hear about it when 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.960 we come back here on mix shots in just a moment. 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.200 The Medal of Honor is our country's highest military award 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.840 for valor in combat. More than forty million individuals have 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.840 served in the armed forces since the Civil War. Fewer 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:52.359 than four thousand have received the Medal of Honor. The 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.879 National Medal of Honor Museum will be a place to 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:59.200 preserve these legacies and inspire America. 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Noah Brown is missed the last game 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:36.080 if we remember, and he is working with the rehab 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:39.720 guys while they're prexing special teams. So we'll see where 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:42.760 it goes from there. It's him and Zeke on the 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.440 resistance chords together. But he had a helmet out there, 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:48.680 looked like as helmet was off to the side, So 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:50.800 we'll see what he ends up doing. But that was 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:55.000 another guy that did not play in the in the 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.200 Bears game. Tell you what, this is a game where 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.440 we could use them. Yeah, talking about good coverage and 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:05.760 good dbs talking, Well, they're okay, but you know, when 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:07.840 you're on the road, you want to have someone that 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:10.760 can silence the crowd as you move the chains, and 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.080 I think he would. He would be a big target 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.199 for deck and moving the chains this this this Sunday. Yeah, 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:21.200 and then you know, if not him, then um, Talbot's 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.359 got a step up. They'll need him and see just 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.640 the big body though there's no replacing that. Yeah, yeah, 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:30.320 you're right. And that would have been James Washington if 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:34.600 if he was ready to go. So anyway, there's that's 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:39.359 what I saw real quickly. All right. Um, Jimmy Johnson. 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.320 I had a chat with Jimmy and he's making the 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:45.480 media rounds because he's got a book out that I 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:50.399 think it's out Tuesday next Tuesday. Um, it's called Swagger, 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:59.600 Swagger Swagger, Super Bowls, Brass, Balls and Footballs is the 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.760 title of it. And uh, it was great talking to him. 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:06.920 He's you know what that's coming from. The brass ones 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:13.919 are coming from. Uh, well, specifically the ninety three NFC 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:17.240 Championship game when he called in on Randy Galloway's radio 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:21.720 show and said, we will win the game. You can 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:25.520 put it in three inch headlines. We will win the game. 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:32.960 And then they won the game. But Seaford, yeah, yeah, 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:37.840 here you go, said, oh he's got some brass ones. Yeah. 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:40.520 I think Seaford was scared when you heard that. Yeah, 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.480 he knew, he knew. I think he knew at that moment. Oh, Lloyd, 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:45.919 it's like, well, you lost to him at home. How 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:49.119 are we going to beat him at their place after 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:51.960 they won the Super Bowl. So anyway, he's making the 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:57.119 rounds um selling his book and um, it's it's really 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:02.400 I got my copy on Monday, and um it's very interesting, 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:04.479 you know, you know, the football stuff and it's all 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:08.560 that's all interesting going back to his Miami Days Cowboys 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:13.000 days relationship with Jerry is. There's a chapter Me and Jerry. 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:17.200 But the first chapter that I turned to, uh was 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.639 about his son, Chad and his son, and he was 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:30.919 very um, um, nate n yeah, go let dated. But anyway, 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:33.200 he was talking about his son Chad and his battle 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:37.960 with alcoholism and how he basically yeah, and this was 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:43.959 in two thousand and nine, and how his calls it 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:48.120 his ultimate victory, his greatest victory, and he basically had 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:51.320 to go to his doorstep and got him help, and 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:52.840 he had They've been trying to get him help, the 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:57.159 whole family, ad and then finally they uh he and 0:23:57.400 --> 0:24:00.560 he is now running a treatment center I'm thinking Florida, 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:03.040 and very successful with it. But that's where we were 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:06.000 talking about yesterday, about how we evolved as people. We 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:08.440 all have our own stories. Yeah, you know you never 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:10.919 I never knew that about him, And just let you know, 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:14.760 you can have a thought process about somebody, but they're 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.000 going through their own stuff. You know, you might be 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:19.199 angry about what you're going through, but they might not 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:21.280 show it, but they're going through something as well. Because 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:23.240 I never knew about that. Did he have a chapter 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.720 on Nate Newton in there? Nate is talked about in 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:30.439 the book Jimmy's book. You know, did you get a 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.239 book Nate got endorsed? No? I don't. I don't need 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:36.160