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Speaker 1: Lots to get to today on Lines and Times. I'm

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Speaker 1: Spencer Graves, that's Daniel Vasquez. This is a podcast where

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Speaker 1: we talk about hunting and fishing. We try to keep

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Speaker 1: it really informational for you. Give you a couple of

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Speaker 1: things to think about. We'd love for you to find

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Speaker 1: us all over social media, mister Spencer Graves, Daniel Vasquez

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Speaker 1: fishing and you guys can share your opinions on what

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Speaker 1: you hear. A couple things that I want to get

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Speaker 1: to today. The big one right off the rip is

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Century Belt bass Master.

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Speaker 1: For years, the Century Belt meant that you caught one

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Speaker 1: hundred pounds of fish in a four day tournament and average

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Speaker 1: twenty five pounds per day. Really tough for anglers to

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Speaker 1: do in any tournament setting.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's only a couple of places that you

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Speaker 2: can do it.

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Speaker 1: The problem that I'm having with the Century Belt is

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling like Texas is not a place where we

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Speaker 1: should be giving out the Century because last year, what

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Speaker 1: was it, the top ten all had over one hundred pounds.

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Speaker 2: That's been the top ten two years in a row.

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Speaker 1: This year at Lake four they all had over you know,

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Speaker 1: one hundred pounds. In fact, seth Fighter was one to

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Speaker 1: one point eight, Jay Shaker at one oh six point seven,

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Speaker 1: all the way up to Tucker Smith, who won the

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Speaker 1: event one hundred and twenty seven pounds point eight. So

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Speaker 1: ten guys are getting a century Belt. It just seems

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Speaker 1: like it's a little much. If Hackney had fished day

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Speaker 1: four instead of them cutting down to the ten, there's

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Speaker 1: a good chance he would have caught over twenty five pounds,

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Speaker 1: he would have had over one hundred. Patrick Walters at twelve,

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Speaker 1: there's a good chance he would have had over one

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Speaker 1: hundred at twenty five pounds.

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Speaker 2: All the way down to the top twenty five guy,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, if they're able to fish the

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Speaker 2: fourth day, they're catching one hundred pounds.

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Speaker 1: So my big thing is should the Century Belt only

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Speaker 1: matter on lakes outside of Texas? And should Texas? When

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Speaker 1: they fished Texas, should they have to raise the number

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Speaker 1: to one hundred and twenty five pounds? It should one

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Speaker 1: hundred because if they do one hundred and a corner,

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Speaker 1: if they do one hundred and twenty five, it means

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Speaker 1: Tucker Smith and Paul Marx would have gotten at Trey

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Speaker 1: McKinney would have missed it by two pounds ten ounces

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Speaker 2: But then at the same time, how do you take

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Speaker 2: that away from the guy that catches one hundred pounds?

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Speaker 1: You know, well, it's easy because it's Texas. It's like

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Speaker 1: you're playing at a different venue. You know, the PGA

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Speaker 1: and golf. They play all different courses Summer seventy two,

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Speaker 1: summer seventy, summer seventy one.

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Speaker 2: So like the Saint Lawrence, And because somebody got I

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Speaker 2: think people have been getting Century Belts at the Saint Lawrence, right.

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with multiple guys getting the Century Belt in

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Speaker 1: most tournaments, Like if you have one or two guys

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Speaker 1: to sack over one hundred pounds, I think if you

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Speaker 1: go with the top ten, they all get a century Belt.

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Speaker 1: It's a little ridiculous. Yeah, one or two seems feasible,

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Speaker 1: Like you can have a couple of guys have a

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Speaker 1: great day. But if you look at the top ten,

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Speaker 1: Tucker Smith at won twenty seven point eight, seth Fighter

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Speaker 1: in the tenth spot at one to one point eight,

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Speaker 1: there's a big difference there in that tournament.

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Speaker 2: It's just a belt. Though I don't think you don't

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Speaker 2: get any money.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not if you're gonna I don't care if

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Speaker 1: it's money, I don't care if it's something else. If

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Speaker 1: they're going to give you something and they're like, this

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Speaker 1: is a piece of you know, history, it should mean something.

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Speaker 2: It's almost one hundred pounds still mean something.

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Speaker 1: I get it. But in Texas lakes it's more prevalent.

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Speaker 1: It's easier for them to do.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the same thing would happen clearly California, you know,

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Speaker 2: but they don't fish clearly. Well, that's my point. So

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Speaker 2: it'd be a couple you'd have to like start saying

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Speaker 2: you can't just go to big best factories and go

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Speaker 2: out a century belt. That's not really fair either.

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Speaker 1: They fish Lake Fork almost every year. Yeah, it's so

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Speaker 1: well known. It's like fishing Gunnersville. It's like fishing the

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Speaker 1: Saint Lawrence. It's like fishing all these lakes that they

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Speaker 1: always fish. If you're gonna fish Texas, so you're gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they wouldn't be like, Okay, well we're gonna

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Speaker 2: make the century belt now one hundred and twenty five pounds,

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Speaker 2: because then nobody will get a century belt anywhere else

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying you can't do it on every lake.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like you have to look at like look

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Speaker 1: at the Sabine River. Where they go the Sabine River,

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Speaker 1: they statistically are catching like twelve to fifteen inch fish.

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Speaker 2: That's a sack, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's not like you're catching massive bags there. If you

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Speaker 1: got a century belt on the Sabine River, you're a king.

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Speaker 2: Yeahs impossible to fish.

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Speaker 1: It's a big deal. If ten guys are getting a

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Speaker 1: century belt one tournament, it's almost like, oh, somebody could.

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Speaker 2: Get a century belt from like Champlain or something like

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Speaker 2: that at one hundred pounds, but they'd never be able

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Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see whether or not that should

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Speaker 1: actually matter. If you go by a lake and you

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Speaker 1: know the output of what that lake has, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can look at a lake and you should do this.

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Speaker 1: If you're a tournament fisherman, you should go back and

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Speaker 1: look at the weights over the last couple of years

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Speaker 1: and know, if I fish Lake X in May, it's

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Speaker 1: to finish the top ten. Like you should believe that

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Speaker 2: I believe that is true for the past. But now

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Speaker 2: with ford facing and how the weights are just bigger

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Speaker 2: in every lake just period, I think you're just going

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Speaker 2: to continue to see the weights go up.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's just ford facing though, because everybody

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Speaker 1: talked about that in this and they said, well Lugas

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Speaker 1: seth fighter, he wasn't using it. He got over one

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Speaker 2: Well that's why. I mean, it's also about lakes fishing

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Speaker 2: Texas is fishing really really well right now.

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Speaker 1: Is that these that the management I would assume this probably.

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Speaker 2: The management has to be this is I mean, you

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Speaker 2: can only point the finger out one thing. They do

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Speaker 2: California does too. They manage big bass factors.

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Speaker 1: So I would be interested to have bass go out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would be pretty sweet. I was watching

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Speaker 2: It was so cool, and that one bass I was

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Speaker 2: just there. Those guys smashed them. I think they were like,

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Speaker 2: I think they were like twenty pounds over thirty or

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Speaker 2: It's insane.

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Speaker 1: That would be fun for the recreational fisherman who likes

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Speaker 1: doing occasional tournaments to be able to watch bass Master

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Speaker 1: and MLF and all these professional tours are always trying

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Speaker 1: to find different ways. One of the big reasons why

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Speaker 1: they don't go to California is the cost. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: cost them crazy amounts of money to bring all their

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Speaker 2: Well, and the cities pay them to but not every

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Speaker 1: Like hey, Sabine pays a lot of money for them

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Speaker 1: like Gunnersville, Lake Fork, places like that, they probably don't

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Speaker 2: Well, I think to get bass there. Yeah, you're right, Spencer.

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Speaker 2: I think another thing like with the Sabine, which is

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Speaker 2: it draws in a ton of fishermen there to go

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Speaker 2: see that event.

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Speaker 2: I mean, even though it's not a big best factor.

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Speaker 1: When you look at a lot of like the outdoor stuff,

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Speaker 1: there's a reason why so many outdoor conventions and festivals

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Speaker 1: go to Nashville because everybody knows this. If you're running

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Speaker 1: about two to three hours around it, you will grab

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Speaker 1: over eighty percent of the hunting and fishing license sold

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe it.

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Speaker 1: Because the Southeast is such a powerhouse for the outdoors.

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Speaker 1: Which is one big reason why states like Alabama, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: are a lot of recreational fishermen. There's a reason why

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Speaker 1: you hear about a lot of hunting because there's so

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Speaker 1: many opportunities for people to get outdoors. They're not idiots,

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Speaker 1: like they know where they need to go. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about changes in bass Master. We're changing, or

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the differences of fishing places like Lake

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Speaker 1: Fork compared to other places. I was watching Buddy Gross,

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Speaker 1: to the spot where he was absolutely smashing him. And

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Speaker 1: if you aren't in tune with how bass Master on

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Speaker 1: Lake Fork works, the Texas Department of Wildlife requires anglers

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Speaker 1: to catch way and release boat side, just like they

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Speaker 1: do a Major League fishing But if a fish is

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Speaker 1: over a certain length, you're able to put that in

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Speaker 1: a live well and bring it to weigh in. Because

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Speaker 1: that is the most exciting part as a viewer to

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Speaker 1: be able to watch is you want to see fish

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Speaker 1: catches and you want to see what that lake is producing.

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Speaker 1: Tucker Smith was able to bring a couple. Jay Shakurat

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Speaker 1: brought an absolute stud to the scales over the four days.

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Speaker 1: But your Buddy Gross, and he mentioned that his style

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Speaker 1: to do with ketchway and release because he felt like

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Speaker 1: I was going after the same fish that I already caught.

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Speaker 1: And his point was I can cast to them and

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Speaker 1: they may want to eat again, but because I stung

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Speaker 1: them with that cold steel, it's gonna make it a

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Speaker 1: lot harder for me to catch. That could actually played

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Speaker 1: out to be true, because day one he had thirty

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Speaker 1: three pounds. The next couple of days he faltered. He

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Speaker 1: finished forty first in the tournament.

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Speaker 2: I could see that there's certain schools of fish that

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Speaker 2: probably won't fire again, So you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: In that case, you have to have multiple spots, plenty

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Speaker 1: of places where you can go.

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Speaker 2: You can't just be relying on one on one.

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Speaker 1: So that changes the game plan for anglers when they

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Speaker 1: go to a place like Lake Fork. If you're going

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Speaker 1: to be in a tournament.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 1: That's somebody who fishes like you. How would that change

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Speaker 2: By the way, but listen to this Spencer. Think about

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Speaker 1: It's insane. All right, Let's go over what the no

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Speaker 1: Outside information. What's considered outside information. Your fellow anglers are

441
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,400
Speaker 1: inside the tournament.

442
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 2: I don't like it.

443
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,400
Speaker 1: I know you don't like it, but I'm just saying,

444
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 1: based on this outside information is Tucker calling me and

445
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 1: asking me.

446
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,160
Speaker 2: But they would never do that. That's not the point

447
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 2: where they get information, though, Spencer. They're not like calling

448
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 2: them being like give me all the spots. They're not

449
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,119
Speaker 2: doing that. The way that they get information is they

450
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 2: go fun fishing one day and they hop on the

451
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 2: boat and he teaches them how to side scan and

452
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 2: learn how he's doing it, you know, I mean, or

453
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,399
Speaker 2: vice versa. You know, Kevin, you hop in Kevin Van

454
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 2: Dam's boat and he teaches you exactly how to throw

455
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 2: the spinner bait over the log and then you become

456
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 2: the best spinner bait fisherman in the world. That's what

457
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 2: that's the information they get. They're not getting spots or lures.

458
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: Okay, So you're saying that outside information is just learning

459
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 1: from somebody else.

460
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 2: As at the elite level, they're so good there's only

461
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 2: minute differences that differentiate the really, really good guys from

462
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 2: the guys that just kind of win.

463
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I disagree a little bit because let's just

464
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 1: take let's take the Kevin van Dam thing. If if

465
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 1: I was an Elite Series angler and I called Kevin

466
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 1: van Dam and I said, hey, man, I'm gonna be

467
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 1: in Michigan. I want to go deep cranking with you.

468
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 1: And he's like, okay, we're not fishing a lake that's

469
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: on the Elite Series schedule for that year even the

470
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: next year, and we fish, and all of a sudden,

471
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,959
Speaker 1: I'm learning some things about deep cranking, like I'll make

472
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 1: sure you pause if you're not hitting anything, or make

473
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: sure you try to switch up the variation of the

474
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 1: crank bait to give the fish don't just do a

475
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 1: straight retrieve. Okay, if Kevin is giving me all these things,

476
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 1: then three years from now we end up fishing that

477
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 1: lake around the same exact time. I'm not really outside

478
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: my bounds for wanting to go fish with Kevin Van

479
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 1: dam No.

480
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 2: No, But did Kevin still teach you something that you

481
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 2: may not have known before?

482
00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: Angle YouTube channel?

483
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 2: No. No, they don't give all their secrets away on

484
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 2: their YouTube chance.

485
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they give away all their secrets,

486
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: but what I'm saying is, I don't think you can

487
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: hold somebody that is learning a technique from somebody unless

488
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: it impacts a lake that you already know you're gonna

489
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 1: be fishing.

490
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: I think I agree to that at a certain level

491
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: of fishing. But when it comes to the Elite Series guys,

492
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 2: there should be I don't think you should ever be

493
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 2: seeing Elite Series guys and other Elite Series guys boats.

494
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 2: I think there should be during the season, you know

495
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 2: what I mean, during the season. I don't think that

496
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 2: should be allowed during off season. They can go fun

497
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 2: fish whenever they want, you know, and go do whatever

498
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: they want on their spare time, get together, have a

499
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: great but during the elite season. There shouldn't be an

500
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 2: off day when Jacob Prosnik is hopping in the boat

501
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 2: with who knows, Shane Powell, I don't know who, whatever

502
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: guy's name, you know what I mean and learning something.

503
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: I don't think that should be allowed because at that point,

504
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: you're not you know what you're doing. You know what

505
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: I mean? You know your game is weak in a way,

506
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 2: and you're trying to gain a competitive edge. You're still

507
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: trying to gain a competitive ed.

508
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: But let's go with another Let's go with another sport.

509
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: In the off season, NFL players work out together. They

510
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: might not be on the same team. It's just a

511
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: you're a quarterback and I've seen this happen with they're

512
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: trying to gain a what but what's wrong with that?

513
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: But what are they trying to do?

514
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: Though? They're trying to get better and trying to gain

515
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: a competitive edge, But they're not because they're not gaining

516
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: a competitive edge on the waterway that they're fishing.

517
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: But so you're telling me right now, if I were

518
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: to go with the best forward facing SO ANDAR person

519
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 2: in the world on Logan Martin Tomorrow, yes or Lake X,

520
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: Let's say, yeah, you can say that, and uh, they

521
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: teach me exactly how to flick my minno over the

522
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: spotted bass to get every single big one to fire

523
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: in the school. You don't think I'll be able to

524
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 2: take that to any other lake and be able to

525
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: do the same exact way.

526
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 1: I think you will. But I don't think that's a problem.

527
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: But what are you gaining when by learning that from

528
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: some gaining, you're gaining an education a competitive edge. But

529
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: that should be allowed only at certain levels. When you're

530
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: at a certainly at the Elite Series, guys, like I said,

531
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 2: during the season, they should not be jumping in other

532
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 2: guys boats on fun off days to go fishing. I

533
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 2: just don't think it's right.

534
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: So to be simplistic about it, as soon as you

535
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: become a bass.

536
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: Master early you have to hold yourself to a higher standard.

537
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: You never fish with another human being.

538
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: No, you can, you can, but not other Elite Series anglers.

539
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: You can't fish with a current Elite Series angler or

540
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: a former Yes.

541
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: I think during the season, tournament season, during the off season,

542
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 2: during the off season, do what you want, because who

543
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: knows if you're gonna fish next season.

544
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: Well that's my point. Yeah, my point is I think

545
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: that you should be able to go out and get

546
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: education from wherever. Yes, as long as it's not impacting

547
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: what's happening that season that.

548
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: Season, right, So if you if you go out during

549
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: the off season, it's completely different because you're, like you said,

550
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: you're honing your skills. But during the season, things can

551
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: change a lot. During the season where you could pick

552
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: up on little mind did things that you didn't even

553
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: think about. But this guy clues you in on some

554
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: fun fishing lake one day, and then you end up

555
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: firing the rest of the season and just absolutely demolishing.

556
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: And that's where I think a lot of these guys,

557
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: these veterans are getting really upset about these guys traveling together.

558
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: I think it's not only because they necessarily give themselves information,

559
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: but they they're learning everything from each other. And when

560
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: you're really really good at something, everybody wants a piece

561
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 2: of it. And if you can't give it out, you're

562
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: giving it out to certain people, and they're picking up

563
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 2: on the details, like Paul Wah Tucker, Like Tucker's not

564
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 2: giving everybody his little intrinsic details on how he goes

565
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 2: and finds these fish. He doesn't do that but guess what,

566
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: Paul's fisher them sees how he does it. He showed

567
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: him how to do it, and now he knows how

568
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: to do the same thing, So now he knows those

569
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 2: little details. Look to you think Paul's gonna go tell

570
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: Emil Wagner the same thing. Absolutely not, you know what

571
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: I mean. But there's obviously a certain trust level that

572
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: these guys get to where they kind of clue each

573
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: other in on the details that make the cheers.

574
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: We've been talking about competitive advantages in fishing. We've been

575
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: talking about the information rule. This has been talked about

576
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: quite a bit. I'm gonna throw something your way, Daniel,

577
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: and I just want to gain your perspective on this

578
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: because we've heard this in several conversations about the no

579
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: information rule, DOC talk being around conversations about bodies of

580
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: water that you're on. We both believe that if you

581
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: hear doc talk, that is gaining a competitive advantage, whether

582
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: you seek it out or not, if you're hearing it,

583
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: you're getting information. You can't turn your ears off. You

584
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: just have to tell guys, hey, look, can't talk about this.

585
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: What about the most recent incident with Scott Martin where

586
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: he was talking to somebody and gaining information about lakes

587
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: in the area that are similar, So he's not getting

588
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: information about the specific body of water. So it's a

589
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: gray area because everyone who tournament fishes knows if you're

590
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: going to fish a body of water, but you're gonna

591
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: ask about lakes that are similar in the area, You're

592
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: not talking about the exact one. You're just skirting the issue.

593
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Yeah, you are skirting the issue. That's

594
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: that great area that we're going back to again with

595
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 2: the leak. Guy's fishing to get on the off days,

596
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: the lakes that are around. It's the same thing.

597
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: I agree, literally, I agree. That's why I when I

598
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: heard the Scott Martin stuff come out, I sat there

599
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, we all know what's being done here.

600
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: I mean, all of us have heard the rumors of

601
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: how guys cheat, how they get it done, and then

602
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: we've seen, you know, blatant people cheat in much lower

603
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: tournament trails and just single tournaments. I mean from guys

604
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: having their wives bring them fish in a cooler. The

605
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: reason why you don't do trailer weigh ins at a

606
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: lot of places, hollowing out the bottom of a pontoon

607
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: boat and stacking fish in there go getting a basket

608
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: like it's it's wild to me the lengths that guys

609
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 1: will go to win, especially dudes that want to win

610
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: like a random Tuesday or Wednesday night or Yeah, that's.

611
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: Strange to me.

612
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: It's an ego thing, right, Yeah, Like you go into

613
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: the ramp the next day and saying I won Tuesday night,

614
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: it's like two hundred and bucks, Like excited you caught

615
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: three fish for eleven pounds.

616
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: I love those tournaments, but if you're gonna have to

617
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: cheat in those tournaments, it tells me a lot more

618
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: about who you are. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you

619
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: when it comes down to gaining a competitive advantage. Where

620
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: I think you and I were having the conversation that

621
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: I just want to make abundantly clear. I don't think

622
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: guys in the off season, when the tournament schedule's over,

623
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: going to fish with another Elite Series pro that's current

624
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: or a former Elite Series pro or really a former

625
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: pro in general, and you want to learn how to

626
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: fish that technique and get better. I don't see that

627
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: as a problem.

628
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

629
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: The main reason though, is if I want to get

630
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 1: better at frog fishing, and I called Dean Rojas and say, hey,

631
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: I want to go frog fishing with you. The tournament

632
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: season's over. I don't know what the new schedule is,

633
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: but I know that I need to get better at this.

634
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: There shouldn't be a problem with that.

635
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: I think you need to get better on your own.

636
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: You need to put the time in the but you

637
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: also do it yourself. You also have to learn from people,

638
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: like every time there's YouTube, every time you and I

639
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: go out and fish, I learned from you. Yeah, well

640
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: what if I what if let's just say you and

641
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: I are both Elite Series anglers, all right, both of us.

642
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's just hypothetically.

643
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: Because there's just hypothetically speaking, we're both elitet series anglers.

644
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: All right. You said, and you give me credit that

645
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm a better fisherman. Would you be learning a ton

646
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: from me every single day as an elite serious guy?

647
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: I don't.

648
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: This is my point. I don't think that I would learn.

649
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: I would at the level you're at right now, at

650
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: the level I'm at right now, if you were, if

651
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: we were.

652
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: Just so happened to be Elite series guys together. But

653
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: there's just Spencer Spencer hypothetically speaking, Okay, you'd be learning right,

654
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: it would make you a better fisherman.

655
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: Yes, of course it will.

656
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: That's that's what I'm saying.

657
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: But does that mean that you and I could never

658
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Speaker 1: fish together?

659
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Speaker 2: I think when you get to the Elite Series during

660
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: the season, you should not be They need to install

661
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: a role where they should not be able to fish.

662
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: That's in the season I'm talking about.

663
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: When it's not you, no fish of the season, Go

664
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Speaker 2: have a ball, drink Brisky's drop shots.

665
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a problem. All right, Let's break down

666
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: the team's thing. Because I know a lot of guys

667
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: like to travel with other dudes, and they say that

668
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: they don't have conversations about where they're going. Obviously, when

669
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: you watch things on TV, you can start to piece

670
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: together that things are not as they seem. People traveling together,

671
00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: staying together, sharing Airbnbs, getting four campground spaces around one another.

672
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: There's no problem with that. The issue is whether or

673
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: not the guys are talking.

674
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, ultimately, yeah, So do.

675
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: You believe that the guys are sitting down and they're saying,

676
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: let's just not talk about fishing, Let's talk about something else.

677
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: Let's go play golf on a day before we can practice.

678
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: Listen, winners hang with winners, right, So if you're hanging

679
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: with a winner, you're gonna be a winner. How do

680
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: you think you just miraculously become a winner. You gain

681
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: the attributes of the winner.

682
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: But that's not always entirely just. But we've watched we've

683
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: watched bass phishing events where guys who travel together, hang

684
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: out together, room together are not finishing one in two

685
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: or six and seven.

686
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: That's because those guys don't have the it factor. They

687
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: don't have they don't have what it takes. But still

688
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: at the same time, it doesn't make it right.

689
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: So we're just looking at the most recent tournament on

690
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: paper Lake FOURK and knowing at Paul Marx as a stud.

691
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: It's everybody. It's not just them.

692
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: It's not just them.

693
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you. It's like the last the last two

694
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 2: rookie classes are probably the best fishermen that have come

695
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: out of bass Master for a long time. But that's

696
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: where that's where you can't take that away from them

697
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: as well either.

698
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: But that's where sports go. Like Michael Jordan has always

699
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: said that he's not the greatest of all time, because

700
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: he never got to match up against the other guys

701
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: that were considered the greatest of all time. You could

702
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: be great for a decade. If you're lucky enough, you

703
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: could be a great You could be great for a

704
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: couple decades, right, but you're pretty much given a ten

705
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: to twelve year run in a lot of things. We'll

706
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: get van Dam. Van Dam was a powerhouse in a decade.

707
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of like when you have the

708
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: opportunity to be the guy or be the girl and

709
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: you are dominating, you better just take it and you

710
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: better just run with it. Yeah, but after that, you

711
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: just go back to being in everyday dude, because someone

712
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: is coming for you and they're gaining more information and

713
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: they have more knowledge that they can now apply because

714
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: the new information rule says you can't get outside information,

715
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: but you can't get information from things that are publicly available,

716
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: which is social mediatube, YouTube and everything else.

717
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Just my two cents.

718
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: I want to give Paul Marx a lot of love

719
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: because it's incredible that he was able to win on

720
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: lake Hartwell, he did an awesome job. I thought it

721
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: was hilarious that Jason Christie put out a post. It

722
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: must have been an auto correct. I don't know if

723
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: he has a lot of friends in a Paul, but

724
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: he said, I want to say congratulations to Phil Marx

725
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: fil Marks. I think it's the most I think it's

726
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: the best thing in the world. And the reason why

727
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: is whether Jason meant to say film Marks or it

728
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: auto corrected to Phil Marks instead of Paul Marx. I

729
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: want Paul to develop t shirts to say I'm Phil Marks,

730
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: because that's the kind of thing that makes fans.

731
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it gets funny.

732
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, you're Tucker. When he won on

733
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: Lake Fork, Rick Klun, I know, we just talked about

734
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: goats and all that. Rick Klun is right. He gave

735
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: props to Tucker, even included Aaron Martin's in the conversation

736
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: because of how Tucker came up. That has to be

737
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: for Tucker the most amazing thing that's ever happened.

738
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Speaker 2: Things like that don't happen with Aaron winning the Mother's

739
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 2: Day Dude, that's that was meant to be.

740
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: Isn't that wild?

741
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: Was meant to be?

742
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: Yea he wins in Mother's Day? His mom was there.

743
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: That realm in life, the spirit world, is a real thing, dude,

744
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: it really is.

745
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: That just goes to show this didn't happen.

746
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 2: That just goes to show you that's a thing.

747
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm just loving how this new class of rookies that

748
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: are coming into professional fishing. I love what they're able

749
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: to do. And I love what the sophomore guys that

750
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: were rookies last year. I love what they're still crushing

751
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: it because you are now seeing the new breed. This

752
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: is the change of the guard when it comes to fishing,

753
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: and there are some dudes who are veterans who are

754
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: absolute studs and can still do it. Hackney, you know

755
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: how much I like Hackney. Yeah, I just think he's

756
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: a phenomenal human being. He's a great fisherman. He won

757
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: an event on the MPFL this year, and he battled

758
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: like crazy in the last couple. You look at the

759
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: Angler of the year, it's cool to see some of

760
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: the names that are there.

761
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

762
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: But it's also a moment in time where if you're

763
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: a fan of professional fishing, you better start looking around, yep,

764
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: because these new names that are coming up in the

765
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: names that are going to potentially come in next year

766
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: with that class, those are going to be the battles

767
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: that you're going to see for the next ten to

768
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, keep your eye on Fisher and I I'm calling

770
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 2: it right now. He will win. If he makes the elites,

771
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: he'll win Rookie of the Year next week.

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00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: We'll put my ass in the AVT. So I completely

773
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: understand that. All right. Thank you so much for listening

774
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Speaker 1: to lines and times. Don't forget to like and subscribe.

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