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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the player's

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Speaker 1: level broadcasting line from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. Hi,

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Speaker 1: everybody knew he scrugged. Here, longtime Cowboys reporter joined by

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Speaker 1: former Dallas Cowboys Jesse Holly and Everson Walls. We got

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes to break down and get into a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of Dallas Cowboys topics with you. Everson. How

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Speaker 1: are we doing today? My man? I'm doing well. Man.

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Speaker 1: We can go one hour. I'm good. You know. I

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Speaker 1: don't get it. I don't get any overtime, but still

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Speaker 1: I can go one hour today. This our last show

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Speaker 1: of the week, right, Yes it is, Yes it is.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to be like Jesse Holly. Jesse

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Speaker 1: Holly is a morning guy you're seeing post on Twitter

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Speaker 1: all the time. I see him on Twitter every morning

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Speaker 1: waving his T shirts. Listen as the youngest. As the

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Speaker 1: youngest person on this podcast, I should not be the

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Speaker 1: one who are who is the happiest about seeing the

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Speaker 1: next day. I'm the youngest one here. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We should be a card.

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Speaker 1: We should be we should be all excited about seeing

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Speaker 1: the next day. I should not be the excited person

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Speaker 1: about seeing. If I was doing some of that stuff

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Speaker 1: that you did, I'd be tired right now. I'd be

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Speaker 1: taking it now if I was that excited every morning, Mercy,

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Speaker 1: I am a morning person. Jesse. Is interesting you say that.

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Speaker 1: And here we are on Veteran's Day, and and we

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Speaker 1: salute all of our veterans out there, specially my father

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Speaker 1: who served in the army. I was. I was born

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Speaker 1: in Germany. And here's where my my distain, you could say,

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Speaker 1: for getting up in the morning was. Look, when we

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Speaker 1: commercial that they used to air when I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: when they were promoting the army, and they said, we

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Speaker 1: That was my goal. Once I got out of my

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Speaker 1: dad's house, man, it's like, uh, I didn't take any

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Speaker 1: I was gonna do anything. I was trying to. Nine

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Speaker 1: had no choice, right two of days, three of days,

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Speaker 1: If you recalled Eddie Robinson's going through the at Gramming State,

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Speaker 1: Eddie Robinson's going through the hallway clinging a cow bell

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Speaker 1: for you to get up for breakfast. So now I

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Speaker 1: was not my life wasn't my own, Okay, So I

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Speaker 1: say I have a brother in law who served. Also

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Speaker 1: his son, my nephew was in the Air Force for years.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, definitely happy happy Veteran's Day to these guys

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Speaker 1: much for your absolutely now absolutely thank you so much. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 1: we definitely have a massive amount of respect for those

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Speaker 1: allow us to be able to do this sholt right

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Speaker 1: here that we do. So it's as a guy who's

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Speaker 1: So to Jesse, this was something that I hit you

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Speaker 1: and Everson up on earlier today. And Jack Taylor wrote

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Speaker 1: a column in the Dallas Morning News. Jacque longtime columnist

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Speaker 1: in disarray and it's up to Steven Jones and Jerry

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Speaker 1: one year ago today, Dallas lost in Minnesota twenty and

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Speaker 1: Cowboys in disarray in your opinion, Yes, and they've been

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Speaker 1: that way for about twenty five years, do we And no?

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Speaker 1: They no, seriously that they have been this, this Cowboys

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Speaker 1: team and nobody, and we spoke briefluently yesterday. Nobody sells

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Speaker 1: And so they they should do like masterclasses and selling

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Speaker 1: find small little things to get these fans and people

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Speaker 1: But when you look at where we are today, and

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Speaker 1: we say it every single year, while on paper, this

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Speaker 1: And this I think people are starting and maybe it's

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Speaker 1: just a culture thing because I think the whole entire

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Speaker 1: the flowers in the meadows and all that kind of stuff. No, no,

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Speaker 1: playoffs and possibly a Super Bowl. Ever. Yeah, he's right,

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Speaker 1: that's what we talked about yesterday. Jesse's correct. And here's

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Speaker 1: the dilemma that you have. You're looking at there's some

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Speaker 1: all about. We understand that things can look great on paper,

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Speaker 1: So when he explains what's going on to the public,

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Speaker 1: he can't help but be rosy. Right. It's always rosy

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Speaker 1: for him, regardless of how many games they lose, regardless

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Speaker 1: estate deals. That's a whole nother story. I took business

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Speaker 1: his head about, and he never will. He can be

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Speaker 1: upset that the players all at once. But when it's

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Speaker 1: You change it and you put it in a situation

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Speaker 1: Of course, he still wants to be the figurehead uh

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Speaker 1: But when it comes to intent, his intent is to win,

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Speaker 1: I'm Nui Scruggs. Former Dallas Cowboys players Jesse Holly and

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Speaker 1: than anyone else on the Cowboys squad. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: how you end up almost signing Johnny Manziel. You know

429
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Speaker 1: you want the glitz and glamour. Bob Kraft all he

430
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Speaker 1: wanted was Tom Brady and Bill Belicheck. And so if

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Speaker 1: you want to be like someone, let me graduate from

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Speaker 1: Billy Martin and Steinbrenner to Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 1: To me, that's what you do. If you get a

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Speaker 1: coach like that. Well, I'm not saying we have that

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Speaker 1: coach unless you go back to Jimmy Johnson. You let

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Speaker 1: him run it. You let him run it, You let

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Speaker 1: him run it the way he sees fit. You know, man,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy probably still would have been coach around here. He

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Speaker 1: still looked at the TV. But he guy's hair combed

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Speaker 1: all nice. He wears the best clothes you ever seen.

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Speaker 1: He's the best dress guy on TV. And this is

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Speaker 1: coming from a guy who's not even a Jimmy Johnson fan.

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Speaker 1: But you guy, give him some love. This guy probably

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Speaker 1: still would have been around here. He still would have

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Speaker 1: been scaring the hell out of everybody if he could

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Speaker 1: and make but they would have gotten wins and they

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Speaker 1: would have gotten results. Look, Jimmy never stayed anywhere longer

448
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Speaker 1: than four years. That's just been how Jimmy was from Oaklhoma.

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Speaker 1: I bet Jimmy would have stayed here, But I'll bet

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Speaker 1: you Jimmy would have stayed here. Jimmy didn't want to

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Speaker 1: go to Miami. He only went there because he was

452
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Speaker 1: on his way to retirement. But this is also and

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Speaker 1: I look at this between Jerry and Jimmy, having been

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Speaker 1: there and been around for that to when I covered

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Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant. Sometimes this stuff happens in

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Speaker 1: sports that you have. You've got people who are winning,

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Speaker 1: and you say, how come you can't get along? And

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Speaker 1: how come you can't make it work? Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovitch made it work. Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick made it work. Shack and Kobe could

461
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Speaker 1: only make it go so far. And that was the

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Speaker 1: same thing with Jimmy and Jerry. They can only take

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Speaker 1: it so far because guys had their egos here. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think Jimmy could have lasted much longer with Jerry,

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Speaker 1: just as Shaquille and Kobe could not have run any

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Speaker 1: longer because Kobe told Jerry bust. I will not play

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Speaker 1: with that fat mother blanker anymore. And that was one

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Speaker 1: reason why they why they got traded. Okay, I was

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Speaker 1: there for it. I don't think comparing people to Kobe though,

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Speaker 1: this kind of tough. Comparing people to Kobe. After you

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Speaker 1: got rid of Shag, that's that was like better than Jodansque.

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Speaker 1: Well well into the rule now until they got Pole Gasol.

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Speaker 1: All right, Kobe was sitting up here as a seven

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Speaker 1: seed and they were struggling, and Kobe asked to be

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Speaker 1: traded and almost went to the Chicago Bulls. So this

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Speaker 1: whole thing, Hey, Kobe did all this. What I shot,

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Speaker 1: Kobe hadn't won a ring without a big man, because

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Speaker 1: you needed it with the way he played, he needed

479
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Speaker 1: somebody in there in the center. And God rest Kobe's soul.

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Speaker 1: He didn't need much. He did not much, but you

481
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Speaker 1: still needed that piece. He needed that piece. It was essential.

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Speaker 1: And once somehow Jerry West gifted Power Gasol from Memphis

483
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Speaker 1: to them, then then Phil Jackson and company got to

484
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Speaker 1: go back to work in it and winning championships again.

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Speaker 1: But Eagles are a part of this. It's a part

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Speaker 1: of sports, it's a part of business. It's a part

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Speaker 1: of that Hollywood scene that I was working out there.

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Speaker 1: This is it and we've seen how good tandems can

489
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Speaker 1: break apart. Look at the Beatles. I'm sitting around right

490
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Speaker 1: now reading the John Lennond biography, and how do you

491
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Speaker 1: break up something as good as the Beatles? It gets

492
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Speaker 1: broken up. This is life, you know, This is life.

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Speaker 1: And Jerry's in this, in this sitting in the in

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Speaker 1: the seat of hey it. So I get to do

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Speaker 1: what I want because owners don't get fired. But at

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Speaker 1: the same time, I look at so you have you

497
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Speaker 1: have to look at one thing. Uh knew it. They

498
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: continue to win. Steinbrenner continued to win, Okay, the Beatles

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Speaker 1: as much as they weren't the Beatles anymore. Those guys

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Speaker 1: went solo. They continued to program, They continue to sell records.

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Speaker 1: They continue to have gold and platinum records. Cowboys aren't

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Speaker 1: doing that. We haven't done that. We talked about Steinbrenner

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Speaker 1: and once again I was mistaken, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: that correction. But they were going to the Pennant racist

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00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: they were winning Pennant races. At least they were winning

506
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Speaker 1: Pennant races. Jesse talked about going deep into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: At least Billy Martin was going deep into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: So now and then they still continued after he got

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Speaker 1: rid of Billy Martin. That's where the differences all stopped.

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Speaker 1: Now have not been successful on the field since these

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Speaker 1: moves have been made, Okay, now, ever said, I want

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Speaker 1: to make sure you understand this too. Now, So after

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight. Then they went back to the World

515
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Speaker 1: Series in nineteen eighty one, and then he's after Reggie.

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Speaker 1: He decided to sign Dave Winfield. And from that time,

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Speaker 1: from the eighties until nineteen ninety six, they didn't get

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Speaker 1: back to the World Series. And the reason they got

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Speaker 1: back to the World Series was because George when he

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Speaker 1: was suspended from baseball, Gene Michael restocked the farm system.

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Speaker 1: So that was where they developed Derek Jeter. Those these

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Speaker 1: This makes my point. If you're using this particular team

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Speaker 1: It took something catastrophic as the owner slash GM to

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Speaker 1: come in to rebuild, who had a baseball mind, who

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Speaker 1: with the players and the systems and the things that

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Speaker 1: maybe not play pay all these outrageous salaries, get that

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Speaker 1: built back up, get a team who had chemistry, who

533
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Speaker 1: played off one another, who things were evolving to get

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Speaker 1: that that cohesiveness, and then you started seeing the winning again.

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Speaker 1: So that that kind of comes back to my point

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Speaker 1: whether it's voluntary or involuntary, sometimes that that that that

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Speaker 1: might be good. But here's the thing, Jesse, that's not

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. There's not gonna be Jerry's got the NFL commissioner.

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00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: Jerry has more juice than the NFL commissioner. So that

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Speaker 1: ain't happening. So this is what it is. It is

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Speaker 1: having some fun. Ever since, I want you to decide

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Speaker 1: can't wear you not? Can't we getting away? All right?

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Speaker 1: this debate going on here for a while about ribs.

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Speaker 1: I do my ribs on about Bridge ribs, so I

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Speaker 1: It's always cold up there exactly. But but Jesse lives

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Speaker 1: here in Texas. Now, Jesse's been in Texas for a

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Speaker 1: long time. You play with Carolina when he's at school.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, right, you use the North Castle. You've been

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Speaker 1: in two major barbecue spots. And I said, you played

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Speaker 1: with Brady James and and I'll tell you what that

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Speaker 1: brother can smoke. Okay, Brady James, Oh yes, yes, you

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Speaker 1: ever want to eat called Brady? Say Brady, what are

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Speaker 1: you making? Because dog team can throw it down? And

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get Jesse out these croc pot ribs.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get Jesse on the frield. So here,

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing you got. You got New and

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Speaker 1: his Jerry Jones and what mindset? Right? He's stuck in

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Speaker 1: his ways? New he is he has knwi is the

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones of barbecue. You certain things have to be

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Speaker 1: done a certain ways. So he oversails. He oversails, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: everything has to be done this way, and if it's

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Speaker 1: not done this way, it's in no way. And my

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Speaker 1: thing is is that I make just as good as

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Speaker 1: tender as fall out the bone, as juicy other ribs

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Speaker 1: in my eight hour crock pot. Then he does smoking

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Speaker 1: his ribs in his in his big green egg and

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Speaker 1: so I'm like they can stick there. They're they're both

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Speaker 1: very good. I've had. I've had both, all right, I've had.

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Speaker 1: I haven't made the one on the green Egg. And

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Speaker 1: partly because my background doesn't lend to being on a

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Speaker 1: grill or a green egg or anything like that. Outside.

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Speaker 1: You know, we were oven croc pot indoor type of

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Speaker 1: nobody trying to barbecue nothing. I was tasting tailing then

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Speaker 1: playing football and basketball. You know, if I was trying,

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Speaker 1: if I was trying to cook something, it trusts me,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a rib it was. It might have been

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Speaker 1: a die. It might have been a sigh too, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't. In college, So even my time in North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't focused on how to get on how to

639
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: get on the grill. But you know, and I noticed

640
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: this and when I've come to Texas, and in Texas

641
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: it's always, you know, the guys are always saying, oh,

642
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: you ain't never had ribs till you had ri You

643
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: ain't never had this until you had my this, And

644
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: that is like a Texas culture thing. Everybody has to

645
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: have the best of the best. And I'm just saying

646
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: I do a pretty damn good job with these ribs

647
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: in the crock pot. And I'm willing to put my

648
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: croc pot ribs up against Newise Green, Big Green egg Ribs,

649
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: Green Eggs and Ham. Huh. Now that I think, Jesse,

650
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: when you when you said yeah, am I like Jerry? Yes,

651
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: make sure you also put in there Jerry Hall of Famer.

652
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: So I got gold jacket from ribs and I got

653
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: bo Okay. So when I come up in here, I'm

654
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: coming up in here with credentials, Okay, coming up in

655
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: here havn't done some stuff. I ain't coming in here

656
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: like Dan Snyder, Okay, with nothing. I'm coming to here

657
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: like Jerry loaded up. Okay, So just make sure we

658
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: got that part of it right. Una, fly in the coptrow.

659
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna go the plane or you're gonna have the

660
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: boat pull up to the arbor. How you coming in

661
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put on the yacht, coming serving on the yacht. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Hey,

662
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: I don't know brothers. I know brothers that have driven

663
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: from Louisiana with the grill on wheels, Okay, So I

664
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: mean I'm talking big time stuff here. Uh, That's what

665
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: I've been around, That's what I've grown up. You know

666
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: when you talk about you know, I know, knew what

667
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: you said. You're from from Carolina, but then you also

668
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: got some California in your with the USC background, and

669
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: USC really California just put full of brothers from the

670
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: South that was trying to get away and they just

671
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: ended up planting their flags there. So you're really just

672
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: a Southern dude your whole time being here. When I

673
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: think about people cooking in a croc pot, I think

674
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: about my wife. I'm sorry, Jesse, That's what I think about. Man.

675
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: That's the only person I know that puts ribs in

676
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: a croc pod. That's just me. She's not other stuff

677
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: to do. You know, she's a very energizing young lady.

678
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: She puts that in the croc pod. She handles her business.

679
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: She's a you know, millennial wife or whatever, millennial mother,

680
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him, even though she's over

681
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: sixty years old. So I have to disagree with your brother.

682
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: But when I when I made you come and eat, dude,

683
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: you coming. Whatever is in that crock pot, is it

684
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: a satisfying meal that brings you to the table to eat.

685
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: You say, satisfying. That is such a low bar. You

686
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: understand when I'm talking ribs. If I cook my ribs

687
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: on the grill and she's in here on the crock

688
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: pot with her apron or by the way, do you

689
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: well women's apron when you do the crock potle? Oh,

690
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: so you're going, I'm just I'm just asking. I'm just

691
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: as you know, when you're in the kitchen, you gott

692
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: wearing apron. You know, That's all I'm saying. So I'm

693
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: always outside on the grill, whether men are okay, And

694
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: so you know I love fall off the bone ribs,

695
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: but anybody knows a good rib You want to be

696
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: attached to that bone just a little bit, and you

697
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: can just bite that joke off. You know, if it's

698
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: falling off the bone, you know you're stuffing yourself, you don't.

699
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a little bit too messy. You

700
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: wanted to be firm. You wanted to be firm. You

701
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: wanted to be seasoned just right. You want to have

702
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: a little chalcold taste to it. You want to have

703
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: that fire to it. Crock pot, come on. Man, that's

704
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: too that's too I see you, I see the two.

705
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: That's too sanitized. I see the two old guys, and

706
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: it's too sanitized. Man. You go if you invite me

707
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 1: over to your house and you got ribs, I'm gonna

708
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: touch them first and see what it looks like if

709
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: they if I can tell crock pot from grill, and

710
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I would not be there. I would

711
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: if I sit down to crock pop ribs, I'm going

712
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: somewhere else. Man, I'm sorry. You know what I would do.

713
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: I would make this. I'm gonna make sure the door

714
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: knob don't hit you with a did little and I

715
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: would eat them by. I never set you guys checked

716
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: up on it. No, man, you can't have crock pop

717
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: ribs telling you when you can't crock Pope ribs. Man,

718
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: you just can. I don't care. Even if it's knowing

719
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: outside and Texas you can go to Northern California might

720
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: be starting. We're gonna still be on that grill man,

721
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: outside and then once once they done, you put them

722
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: on a trade. You put them in the oven of broil.

723
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: That's how you get your You know, you get your

724
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: You can see that that's that's what you call counterfeit.

725
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: That's what you called counterfeit. Broy did you say did

726
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 1: you say broil? Yes? See what I'm saying, he's putting

727
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: it in the other That's what happens when you mess

728
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: up on the grill, you put your stuff in the oven.

729
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: Later you give it that chart. Man, I'm telling you

730
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: the charge. The grill gives it the chart. That's all

731
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: you need. Who? Yeah, who am I talking to you?

732
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: You're am I talking to you? MANE talking to him?

733
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: Who you know? For you or something? Man, I don't

734
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: know who I'm talking to you? Man? Who who we boy? Now?

735
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: So my page just got me with that one. He said,

736
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: put it in the put in the oven. I don't

737
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: know what that Well, what just happened here? We just

738
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: must have changed conversations. I don't know what you saw.

739
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: So so my folks, my folks are from Burning and Alabama.

740
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: So so my dad always grilled. And then when we

741
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: and he was stationed the military, so we lived in

742
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: North Carolina, we lived in Texas, and we lived in Georgia.

743
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: So you know, I've just been used to the grill.

744
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: And then once I joined a Megan side fire it

745
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: became like a big thing too. It's like the frat

746
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: got together. So you know, so you was around a

747
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: bunch of guys dog teams, who are here smoking these

748
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: these ribs and so, yeah, Jesse, no, the crock Potlin

749
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: something I never until you said it, I had never

750
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: heard of it. I never heard of it. I never

751
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: heard anything like that, man. And you know, and the

752
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: only time I lived up north, the only time I

753
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: lived up north was in Cleveland. And I didn't even

754
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: try and mess with nobody's barbecue in Cleveland. And I'm

755
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: gonna be all so, i didn't eat any barbecue in Cleveland.

756
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: I'd eat no Mexican food. I was like, no, no,

757
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: you don't want barbecue from Cleveland. Hell no, right, you

758
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: definitely don't want to barbecue from Cleveland, not even from

759
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: the state of Ohio. Period. Yeah right, So, so no

760
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: Mexican food and no barbecue in Cleveland. I just know,

761
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: no Mexican righty, Ohio. They don't even have good I

762
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: mean it was. I stayed up in Cleveland for two winners,

763
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: and when the Browns left, so did I. But I'll

764
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: tell you that I lost I lost weight living in

765
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: my favorite the Bengals for one year. So oh, you

766
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: know how it is. We all we all feel each

767
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: other's pain. I like that now, Jesse. I will say this.

768
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: I went to the Montgomery in and Cincinnati and had

769
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: their ribs, and they've got an amazing barbecue sauce there

770
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: that I absolutely used to go to. Krogram Boys called

771
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: Montgomery In there barbecue saucer. The next time, I'll tell

772
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: you this, I'll give you this tip. Next time you

773
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: do your croc pop ribs, get you to Montgomery and

774
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: barbecue sauce. You can get it from Kroger because it's

775
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: out of Cincinnati and it is dang good. It's so

776
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: good you will dip your French fries in this barbecue sauce.

777
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: So there you go. It's a free tip for your right.

778
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: Let let me let me clarify something here. I don't

779
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: even need barbecue sauce on my ribs. Okay, let's just

780
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: we don't even have barbecue sauce in the house. No,

781
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: that's that's your that's how sucking and my stuff is. Man,

782
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: you don't even like Q. I would have to take

783
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: my own sauce, find something worthy of my ribs. I

784
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: have to make my own suck all the many Texas

785
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: everyone thinks they're the next best rib maker ever. Everyone

786
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: thinks that here in Texas. Oh no, you ain't had rid.

787
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: You have my rigime, have my sauce, sauce. I don't

788
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: need no salt. What you need salt? So these rims,

789
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: this is this is the culture of people who who

790
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: have planted their roots in Texas. I've never seen anybody

791
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: lining up a bunch of crock pots and see who

792
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: had the best ribs. So come on, man, you old

793
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: school guys. Man, you old school you, old school Listen.

794
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: You don't have to reinvent the you don't have to

795
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: reinvent the wheel. I'll just putting rims on it, that's all.

796
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: I'm just putting rims on it. Man, I'm dying. I'm dying.

797
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: Jesse broiling ribs and putting that's that's something that I

798
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: don't even know what he's talking about. Now, that's like

799
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: fun language to me. I just gonna buy some cho man,

800
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: that's all you gotta do. I'm gonna let you serve

801
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: them crack. I'm gonna let you make them crack pot

802
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: ribs and serve them. Chris Bean, Chris Bean could be

803
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: the tasty. They'll be ready by this time tomorrow, and

804
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: I'll go a bunch accomplished, not having a ten outside

805
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: that hot grill all day. Oh all right, that is

806
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: that's our show for the day. We're gonna end it

807
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: with laughter. Will end it on a hot Jesse. Um,

808
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: so fun for you to come on this show for

809
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: the last two days, Everson, same thing man, you guys here,

810
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we always It was fun for us to

811
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: have the kind of conversations that we always have with

812
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: each other, and it was fun to bring it on

813
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: their here Dallas Cowboys dot com. Now we might be

814
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: fired on Monday because very here will tell you about it.

815
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: You can't run the team correctly. He might fire us

816
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: all on Monday to just and the last time we

817
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: see you, we appreciate you. I separated. It won't be

818
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: the last. Let's let's know, the video record will show

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00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: that was YouTube, not me. That was YouTube. Okay, I

820
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: separated myself for that. What I wants to say something

821
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Speaker 1: all day he does like ratings. He does for Chris

822
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Speaker 1: Beam and everybody who worked on the podcast today, for

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00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,840
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