WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 179 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.520 Cool Media. Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:08.560 to let you know this is a compilation episode. So 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.240 every episode of the week that just happened is here 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:16.279 in one convenient and with somewhat less ads package for 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:18.439 you to listen to in a long stretch if you want. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.000 If you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.759 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:28.000 you can make your own decisions. Welcome back to It 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:32.800 could Happen here, a podcast about it happening here, which is, 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.920 you know, these days normally about the fact that it's 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.479 happening here, but today we're here to talk about a 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.600 show where it happens somewhere else, a place that people 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.199 aren't yet but may one day be in the future. 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.520 We're talking about the Martian Revolution, with the great Mike 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:52.840 Duncan of the Revolutions podcast Mia Wong joining me on 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.920 this interview. Welcome to the show, Mike, Thank you very 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:58.720 much for having me. So let's talk about this because 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:00.320 you know, I've kept up and been listen listening to 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:04.000 Revolutions for years, and I started seeing messages earlier this 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.640 year that, like Mike Duncan is doing this fictional revolution 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.839 podcast on the Martian Revolution, and it seems to map 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.080 really really closely a lot of stuff that's happening right 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.400 now in the United States. And I'm wondering, kind of 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:21.040 to what extent did you anticipate that being an initial 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.360 reaction to this when you started really finally laying down 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:26.200 like the text for these episodes. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:30.240 I did not expect that at all, not at all. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.880 What has been happening to me has been one of 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.279 the most surreal six months of my life in terms 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.480 of what I am writing and dropping out into the world. 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.640 And then I turn on the news three weeks later, 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.720 four weeks later, and I'm just watching exactly what I 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.240 wrote down in the show come to life. It is 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:56.279 horrifying and I hate it. Yeah, welcome to the club. 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.080 Yeah yeah, I mean, you guys have to change in 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.280 the name of your show. Is that there's no good 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.680 about it, man, We're just here. It's just going. 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:04.440 Yeah. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.720 You know, I've had the notion to do this Martian 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.639 Revolution series for years, Like I think I first came 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.360 up with it back during like the French Revolution days 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:14.480 is when I was like, you know, it would be 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:16.359 a really cool thing to do it's like, once I've 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.040 got all these under my belt, just like make up 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.520 a fictional revolution that kind of follows along like many 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.880 of the plot points of previous revolutions. And so this 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.399 has been kind of like years in the making and 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.520 a lot of the sort of like plot points and 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.360 ideas that I wanted to do. You know, I wanted 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.760 it to be like a monopoly corporation, because I also 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.760 wanted to do some like social commentary and like what 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.880 are the issues that we're kind of dealing with right now? 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.920 And you know, and then I'm like, Okay, then there's 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:43.919 this thing called the New Protocols that is going to 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.360 you know, help jump start the revolution. And this is 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.960 somebody coming in and just you know, implementing whole new 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.320 software programs and hardware programs without any care for like 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.200 what it does to people. Then there's mass layoffs that 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.880 are a part of this. And then deportations are you know, 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.040 like all a part of the story of how the 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.040 Martian Revolution gets going. And you know, this stuff was 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.440 plotted out in October. And I got to tell you, you know, 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:10.400 maybe I was naive, maybe I had my head in 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.799 the sand. I thought she was gonna win yeah, man, 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.280 Like I thought Harris was gonna win the election. That's 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.639 where I that's where my head was at in September 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.120 and October, going into November. I was like, it'll be close. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.560 Of course it will. It's a toss up, but I 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.040 think she'll pull it out in the end. It sure 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.600 feels like it because they were running a terrible campaign 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.480 and like they didn't have any field operations, and like 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.280 the whole thing just kind of seemed like she was 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.280 going to win. So for Trump to win and then 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.960 start doing all of these things that were just supposed 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.800 to be fictional plot points, Oh they were references. Yeah, 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.760 Like now I'm just like Jesus Christ, this this is terrible. 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.080 Well, that's what's so so interesting is because yeah, so 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.080 much of so much of the initial like as you 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:56.760 imagine it, the opening stages of like the Martian Revolution 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.960 in your series are based on like a guy who 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.600 is a quote unquote like partly like an auto dite act, right, 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:08.080 like a dude who is raised believing that his ideas 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.160 are good because they're his ideas, and yet he can 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.200 kind of jump into any field of human endeavor and 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.360 make things work better than the people who have been 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.480 studying and working in that field for their entire lives, 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.760 and he just starts changing everything based on his whims. Now, 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.039 you don't have him staying up until four in the 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.600 morning on ketamine benders and then tweeting out his ideas 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.080 for how to change the government. But I guess I'd say, 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.160 like that's the one the one thing that doesn't map 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.679 onto right now. And I think this is this almost 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.920 just goes inherently with the act of crafting fiction. Even 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.200 your bad guys are a lot more sympathetic than our 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:47.680 current ones. Yeah, which I think is to your credit. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:51.200 But like I've enjoyed the degree to which the decisions 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.560 that are being made that are kind of making this 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.719 Martian Revolution inevitable are the kind of decisions that you 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.640 make when you've been raised in these sorts of bubbles 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.960 where you were expected to just sort of be able 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.560 to run things, because like that's the that's the strata 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.919 that you come from, and it maps directly to like 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.520 what we're seeing right now with these Silicon Valley guys 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.880 who have spent the last few decades getting impossible amounts 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.120 of money and having that convinced them that they know 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.560 how to do everything, but it also maps back to 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:20.400 like Versailles. 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:24.080 I find that compelling. Yeah, and you know the Timothy 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.599 Werner character, he's like sort of the figure against whom 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.400 the revolution is going to start. Yeah, after he comes 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.480 in and starts doing all this stuff, like the number one. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.159 Of course, as I'm releasing this, people are just like, 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.440 this is just a cardboard cutout of Elon Musk, right, 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.479 and which I would point out the first thing is like, 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.040 actually no, because I very specifically wrote it so he 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:48.400 was a good husband and father. Yes, it's it's obviously not. 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.120 It's obviously not Elan Musk because he loves his kids. 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.240 He's allowed to be in the same room as all 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.000 of them. Yeah yeah, and they like they get along 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.640 great and everything. Yeah, so obviously it's not. But honest 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:00.760 to God, like it wasn't meant to be just must 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:02.920 but it was meant to be those tech guys, right, 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.880 Like this is meant to be thinking about the guys 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:07.480 who come in and they're like, we're gonna we're gonna 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.200 move fast and break things right, and then what they 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.520 break is like one hundred and twenty years of like 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.640 labor law, and that's the only thing that is actually 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:17.560 being broken here, like this is what you know what 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.680 uber is, and all of those kinds of like all 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:22.159 of that stuff that came at us in the last 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:25.480 like ten or fifteen years. And they think that yes, 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.360 because they can code well, or because they have this 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.320 one ability to like you know, market something in an 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.600 effective way, that that means that they are brilliant and 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.520 can do everything and everywhere for everybody, and like we're 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.240 going to reinvent this and we're going to reinvent that. 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:41.599 But they have no idea what they're doing or what 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.640 they're talking about. And you run into these people on 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.400 Twitter all the time, this phenomenon of people being good 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.440 in one area, yes, and then becoming sort of all 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.400 purpose general knowledge experts when it's like you don't have 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.440 any idea what you're talking about. And so the line 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.599 there's a line that's in there where it's like we're Werner. 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.400 The way that he thought is I'm smart, Therefore the 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.479 ideas I have must be smart. Yes, And that is 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.200 something that's not about Musk. That's about like just people 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.280 I run into on Twitter all the time. That's a 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.720 phenomena that's a generalizable phenomenon. 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.320 No, I mean, yeah, We talk about that constantly on 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.240 the show, like we just did that four parterre on 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.920 the Zizians that who come out of like the rationalist 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:26.120 Bay Area tech industry cult, which is both influential that 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.320 a lot of the people who wound up working at 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.960 DOZE and just to the general tech mindset, and it 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.640 is it's the human embodiment of that idea that like, well, 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:38.080 I know it a code, coding's difficult. That means I'm smart. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.600 This must mean I know how to run the schools, right. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.120 This must mean I know how to replace medicare, right, yep. 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.640 And it's this kind of like reasoning from first principles 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:52.640 without ever actually like having to sit face to face 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:54.840 with the consequences of your decisions. And I think you 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:58.400 do a great job of showing how that cascades into 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.160 a calamity and in a way that feels very realistic, 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.240 even though we're talking about Mars and there's also like 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.320 gravity generators in the life. 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.840 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's and what you know, what 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:15.240 Werner does here is so much of what Dose basically 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.760 started doing. When they start going into these systems, they 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:22.120 start changing coach, they have no idea what are the 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.280 key things that are actually underpinning our society. The most 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.080 recent thing I saw that made me think of this 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.760 is like they're shutting down all the regional offices of 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.520 the Social Security Administration and like all communications are now 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.960 going to be run through Twitter, right. And one of 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:40.199 Timothy Werner's things is the centralization of all decision making 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.320 and the centralization of really everything. And in his mind, 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.400 it would be more efficient if the company just had 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.160 one brain and that was his brain, and every decision 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:50.880 is made by the one brain. And so he's got 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.079 all this stuff and he's got to make all these decisions. 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.520 Except that is that's crazy. That is not actually how 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.800 you can run anything, and it just creates all this 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.319 like basically everybody, I forget if I wrote this in 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.200 I know, I definitely did that. Like the dreaded like 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.680 request pending screen that YE started getting. They would submit, 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.959 they would submit stuff like a fuel requisition order, and 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.839 it would say request pending, and like request pending would 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.560 never go away, it would just that's what it would say. 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.720 And then you look at what they're doing now and 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.640 that they are trying to centralize everything that it's you know, 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:25.840 it's a generalized authoritarian power grab. But you know they are, 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.199 they are doing these things. Yeah. 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.480 One of the things that it reminds me the most of, 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.600 like from the other revolutions is I immediately went, wait, this 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.240 is our Nicholas, where you know, you have less of 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.200 the reform package. We're like, yeah, like the way that 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.120 all of the power gets concentrated and centralized and there's 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.839 one guy who's a micromanager and then can't do it 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.280 because like no human could possibly have done it. 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:49.640 But they're not. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.600 They're you know, because of just there they're sort of 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.880 affective power and the way that they think about micromagic 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.880 anything they're incapable of, like letting their subordinates do things. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:09:59.240 Yeah. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:03.800 Yeah. It also sc with the loves his kid's part. Yeah, well, 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.719 I mean that's the thing is like everything that's in 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:11.640 the show also is like basically something that comes from history, right, like, 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:13.120 and I am trying to do that and it is 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.800 it is something that you know, like Charles the First, 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.840 Louis sixteenth Zar Nicholas, these guys are all great family men. 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:21.920 Their kids love them and they love their kids, right. 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.040 Like one of the reasons the French Revolution happened is 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:26.800 because Louis's son died like on the eve of the 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.160 Estates General, and he was just not there because his 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.760 son had just died. That's a real thing that happened. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.360 And the other stuff is like that sort of centralization 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.280 of power is a lot like what I was trying 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.520 to get at. There was actually, like the reforms that 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.920 went in for the European colonial powers after the Seven 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.559 Years War in the Anglo colonies and the Spanish colonies 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.640 and the French colonies, all of those governments sort of 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:53.680 undertook a reorganization of their colonial structures after the Seven 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.720 Years War. It kind of like reshuffled who had what territory, 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.760 and all of those moves were about sort of an 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.960 in increasing presence of the metropol in colonial life. And 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.880 this is what triggers, you know, the American Revolution, because 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.040 there was going to be like two more customs officials 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.200 in Boston Harbor and so like we went into refolt 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.200 about this. Yeah, but this is also true of like 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.640 the Bourbon reforms in Spanish America. Is that kind of 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:22.160 like centralization of a community of colonies that had grown 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.520 very used to managing their own affairs, and so they're 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.480 coming in and saying, well, yeah, this is ours and 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.760 we here on Earth should be making these decisions for 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.200 you Martians, and the Martians were like, well, we've been 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.360 making these decisions for ourselves for like seventy years now. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.720 That's where that stuff is coming from. And then history 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.800 is always the place that I can point to and 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.600 then I have to watch it also on the TV. 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:48.719 Yeah. Yeah, I've had that same experience of like, I'm 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.240 writing out kind of like this possible, you know, this 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.280 story about what a future conflict is civil conflict in 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.600 the US might look like, and I'm I'm just taking 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.880 from stuff that happened in the last like ten years 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.520 in a lot of cases that I saw in different countries, 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.000 and people are like, how, you know, how did you 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.160 like anticipate this, And my answer is like, I didn't. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.920 This is just stuff that happens all the time, right, 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.679 because people don't learn the maactory as a rule, Like, 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.280 no one's ever learned a lesson from history. Is the 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.680 thing I've kept repeating to people over the last few 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.600 years as I continue to fail to learn lessons from history. 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.360 Yeah, we all do and no, but like one of 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.360 the things that was getting kicked around the other day 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.600 was like, had I came to this point where Werner 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.760 is going to start firing people? He's going to start 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.080 firing people because he's changed the metrics for how your 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.480 employment status is being rated, and he's firing just people 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.439 essentially randomly, like you are firing the head of this 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.000 department and now that department can't run anymore. But he's like, 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.880 it'll be more efficient. And when I was writing it, 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.240 it was originally supposed to be like a kind of 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:55.200 a more dramatic ten percent across the board layoff, And 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.440 as I got closer to actually trying to type that 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.680 up and write it down, I was like, this doesn't 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.599 actually feel believable to me, Like people are going to 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.800 really push back, and I mean this sincerely, like people 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.560 are going to push back that nobody would be so 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:09.480 stupid as to just across the board to a ten 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:14.120 percent layoff of something so critical, as you know, Mars 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.679 is to Earth, because in the story, Mars is absolutely 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:18.800 critical to how Earth is able to function with the 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.560 resource that they're able to get from there. And so 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.640 I changed it around and actually look to like the 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.679 sullen prescriptions from Roman history to kind of give it 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:29.400 a different take where really it was like you woke 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:31.480 up every day and there was like fifteen more names 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.080 on the list, one hundred more names on the list, 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.920 and there was something equally sort of dramatic and cool 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.600 about that without this like unbelievable, you know, ten percent 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.600 across the board cut And I wrote a paragraph in 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.079 there being like I know that people are going to 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.080 think that this is like unrealistic, but you just have 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.080 to understand that, like throughout history we have seen these things, 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.920 like people do stupid stuff and they stubbornly cling to 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.000 it all the time because that is something that happens, 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:00.160 and life as we know it is actually less. Like 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.840 if I wrote up what was happening right now, like 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.920 if I was just got like a window into an 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.480 alternate world and we're living in a different world where 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.280 Trump loss and I brought all this stuff back, there'd 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.440 be like this is implausible, Like this is crazy. They 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.120 would never be allowed to get away with that. They 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.480 would never be allowed to do that. They would never 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.520 be so stupid as to blow up the global economy 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.680 with a bunch of tariffs that make no sense to anyone. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.320 Wouldn't want the dollar is their reserve currency. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:27.560 Yeah, yeah, none of nothing that is happening right now 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.240 is plausible in the in a storytelling in a fictional 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.680 storytelling setting. Yeah, yeah, you know this. 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.520 This this also gets something that I've been saying on 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.000 this show that I want I want to get your 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:38.920 take on, which is, like, you know, one of the 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:40.840 things that you you wrote about in your sort of 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.960 like I guess like recap series of your experience going 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.680 through the revolutions was about like how how much of 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:48.600 the stuff is driven by like the great idiots of 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:53.400 history and my god, Elon Muskins Trump looked to me 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.880 like two of the gritty dyscy history and that doesn't 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.000 like guarantee that it'll happen, but like. 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:04.800 Yeah, they're there. The great idiot theory of revolutions is 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:08.600 a very simple thing, which is just saying that it's 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:13.160 revolutions don't happen because some tyrant is in power and 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:17.680 they are intolerably oppressing their people, like people have been 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.680 intolerably oppressed for a long time. And like Trotsky's got 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:24.160 this quote that is, if peasant discontentment was the cause 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.520 of revolution, then there would be a revolution happening every 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:30.120 single day because the peasants are always discontented. Right, So 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.960 what it takes to really have a revolution is for 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.560 somebody in power to be kind of incompetent and to 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.280 start doing stupid things that allow the situation to get 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.520 out of hand and on top of that, really piss 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.960 off the other elites around them, because it's the mismanagement 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.920 of the state that allows the elites that are kind 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.600 of necessary for a full blown revolution, Like you need 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.240 their resources, and you need their money, and you need 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.160 them being close to a position of power to be 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.000 able to pop whoever's in there at the time. And 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.680 you've got to be pretty in competent to like wreck 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:06.080 an elite consensus, right, Like that's that is in and 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:10.200 of itself catastrophically stupid if you're trying to stay in power. Yeah, 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:12.840 and so yes, the great idiot theory is getting quite 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.080 a workout lately. 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.480 That's actually something else that I wanted to ask you 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.800 about in terms of like you see this in terms 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.720 of Mabel Door, right, where Mabel Door is this kind 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.040 of example of like the sort of local I said, 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.440 local colonial elite to some extent. 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.560 Yeah, I almost saw her as like, yeah, a lot 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.280 of these kind of American revolutionary figures right where you 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.560 have this person who holds a fairly high position in 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.400 the colonial state as a result of you know, their 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.040 birth and the family they come into, but also is 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.200 identifies more as a member of that state, of the 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.480 colony than of the colonizing state. 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:48.000 Yep. 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.840 Yeah, And I think this is something this is a 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.560 part of the revolutionary process that I think is really 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.680 really badly understood on the left in terms of, in 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.320 a lot of ways, the necessity of parts of this 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.120 elite flipping and like the other the example I think 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:05.600 most people kind of are more familiar with is fleepygalite 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.159 like the Duke de orlone like funding a bunch of 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.400 these sort of revolutionary groups that eventually kind of like 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:12.760 get out of his control. But can you talk a 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.480 bit more about sort of the role of these sort 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.680 of like elite defections and how they end up sort 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.400 of funding and enabling these revolutionary movements. 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.680 Yeah, I mean it's a mix of things, and I 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.320 mean you got it. Like Mabel Door is meant to 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.120 be sort of the colonial elite, and she's also meant 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.119 to be sort of the liberal nobility in lots of 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.239 different revolutionary settings, and she is doing that like and 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.679 when she is like when I talk about her, like 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.520 funding the Society of Martians and like funding all these 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:43.160 like philanthropic you know, enterprises to help Martians. Like that's 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.320 a lot of philip a galatae like straight up, Like 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.159 that's what the Duke Doorleon was doing in you know, 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.119 seventeen eighty six, eighty seven, and eighty nine. And so 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:55.240 that's the role that she's playing. But you know, if 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:59.640 the elites are unified, it is very difficult for any 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:03.720 kind of like peasant or worker uprising to actually get 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:08.480 traction and succeed in overthrowing the state. Like peasant insurrections 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.680 have happened throughout history without any sort of elite support. 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.640 They have often accomplished great things. But when you think 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:19.640 about the great revolutions in history, there really have always 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:23.560 been people in the inner corridors of power who are 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.760 ready to get rid of whoever the sovereign is in 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.080 that moment. And you know, you can advance all the 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.119 way to the Russian Revolution, and this is you know, 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.399 this is the prototypical like the workers have risen up 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.040 and the army is mutinying, and it is the people 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:42.879 who overthrow this are and what that story misses is 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:46.399 all of the people, even inside the Romanov family itself, 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.280 who are like so fed up with what Nicholas and 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.159 Alexander are doing that they're just like, we don't know 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:54.000 what to do anymore. But like he's, yeah, I guess 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.560 he's got to go, you know, Like we can't get 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.919 him to see reason, we can't get him to change course, 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.600 we can't get him to do anything. Like the situation 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:05.959 is completely out of hand and without those people leaning 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.560 on Nicholas to force his abdication and also to say like, 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.280 we're not going to back you up. If you try 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.200 to bring the hammer down on all these people, then 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.480 that's when sovereigns are actually overthrown. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.960 Yes, And I love that you bring that up because 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.080 it gets to the failure to see that. And this 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.240 is especially common with people who kind of idolize the 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.080 nineteen seventeen revolution, but it's certainly not limited to that. 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.680 I mean, in every revolution, you have people who are 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:33.919 fans of that revolution or who see it as a 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.760 model for what they want to do, and also ignore 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.760 the realities on the ground that made it possible. I 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:41.720 think one of my favorite examples is the quote that 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:45.280 like you can't dismantle the master's house with the master's tools. 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:46.040 Well, I don't know. 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.680 In those pictures of the nineteen seventeen revolution, I see 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.280 a lot of mosins that used to be property of 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.560 the czar, right, Like it happens all the time, And 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.360 I think that we always need to be cautious of 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:01.280 like seeing just what we want to see revolutionary history 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:02.800 as opposed to seeing what was there. 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.520 And the thing is is Lenin understood this right like 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.399 Lenin understood what the game was and he understood what 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.679 was going on. And you don't have to, like, if 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.320 you're a revolutionary and you're sympathetic to the communists in 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:19.040 nineteen seventeen, you don't have to say, oh, well, the 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.800 elites were necessary for this first revolution and we need 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.679 you know, we need a break inside the ruling class. 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.600 We need divisions inside the ruling class. That doesn't mean 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.440 you have to say and what those people want out 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:33.679 of overthrowing the czar is what we want and what 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.439 we're going to accept, right you know, obviously, like the 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.000 cousins of the of Zar Nicholas and the people who 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.159 are in those inner circles of power, they wanted him 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:42.840 out of there just so they could run the empire 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:44.879 a little bit better. They were frustrated with how poorly 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.120 the empire was being run. They didn't want a social revolution, 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:51.760 but if you're going to take down that whole system, 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:57.240 creating a destabilization event at the very top is necessary. 0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.840 But you don't have to support the ultimate aims of 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.480 those people. It's just it's an ingredient. And this is 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:04.399 and you see this in the course of revolutions, and 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:06.640 you see this in nineteen seventeen, You see this seventeen 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:09.119 eighty nine, and then seventeen ninety two, where there is 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.240 that first wave of sort of revolution that overthrows the sovereign, 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:16.000 and then there is a second wave that overthrows the 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:19.600 people who did it first. And so you know, you 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:23.040 can hold out hope for you know, getting the job 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:28.040 done without thinking that elites do play some role in all. 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:36.760 Of that, right, Yeah, Yeah, I think that's a great point. 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:42.840 One of the things that I wanted to ask you 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.720 about sort of shifting gears a little bit, was about 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.120 how you were thinking about the deportations when you were 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.080 writing it, and how you were thinking about the way 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:55.760 that kind of this like generalized antideportation organizing like turns 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:58.800 into that, and the sort of mutual aid networks that 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:02.320 the Society Martians are doing like directly turns into this thing. 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:04.399 And that's just something that I don't know, it feels 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.640 very prescients in ways, even though it was written out 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:09.119 before a lot of this stuff happens. 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:14.320 Yeah, the deportation stuff is just because of my own 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:19.440 personal political commitments over the course of my adult life, right, 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:25.600 which is that we have an insanely cruel immigration system 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:28.800 in this country, you know, and and you know, we 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:31.760 they say like, oh, we've got this like open borders, 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:34.320 Like we do not have open borders. It is actually 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:38.160 really really hard to like navigate your way properly through 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:43.120 the American immigration system. That's true. The system itself is broken. 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:45.520 And we did all of this, you know, we did 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:48.160 the worst of the horrors with Trump, right, Like obviously 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.679 that is on my mind with you know, with family 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.399 separations and putting people in camps and abusing people and 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:56.160 rounding people up, like all of this stuff which happened 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.159 under Trump, Yes, but it also happened under Obama for 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:02.320 eight years, and it happened for another four years under Biden. 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.560 It's just that we kind of stopped talking about it 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:07.679 because it wasn't Trump who was doing it. And there 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:12.960 is a through line of cruelty inside of this system 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:17.359 towards immigrants, So that issue of deportation and like rounding 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:21.159 people up and evicting them, especially those who have lived 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.240 in this place their entire life. Like that's one of 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:25.199 the points that I make, Like the people who are 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:27.760 being fired are like born and raised on Mars. Like 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:30.199 one of the main characters, Alexandra Clare, she is a 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:33.679 fourth generation Martian and she just gets caught up in 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:38.400 these like stupid layoffs that Timothy Werner is pushing through. 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.560 And now the only choice that she has is to 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:45.240 either hide or get deported to Saturn where and nobody's 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:47.439 ever come back from Saturn. We have no idea what 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:49.560 happens on Saturn, because all they know is that nobody 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.000 ever comes back from Saturn. And this is a thing 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.200 like taking people who have born and raised in America. 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:57.280 This is the only place that they have ever known, 0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.160 right even if they came here when they were like one, 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.719 like okay, born here, but like they here since they 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:03.440 were one, and then you're like, okay, we're going to 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:06.800 send you back to Mexico. They're not from Mexico. They 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:09.560 don't know anybody in Mexico. They don't probably even speak 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:12.600 Spanish half the time, you know, And doing this to 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:16.600 people is cruel. It is unconscionable what we do to people. 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:19.680 And so yeah, like so when I was thinking to myself, Okay, 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:21.800 I'm all right, this like fictional revolution and it's going 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:23.760 to be on Mars. What are some of the things 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:28.120 that I want to do that will make the revolution happen? Yeah, 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:30.280 some of this does is like a little bit of 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:33.520 like this is these are Mike's political interests and the 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:36.199 deportation issue, and trying to highlight the horror of the 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:40.639 deportation issue and laud those who would hide those people 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:43.439 and help those people and bring those people food. Like 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.040 the bravest people going are the ones who like go 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.960 out and leave you know, water jugs out in the 0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:51.560 middle of the desert so people don't die, right, And 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:53.720 the cruelest thing is these guys who go out and 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:56.879 then break those knowing that people are going to knowing 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.199 that people are going to like die of dehydration and 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:02.800 die of starva, but just not care because they don't 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:03.840 care about those people. 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:06.120 That's one of the sickest things to me, Like, it's 0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:08.679 just that there's information coming out now that there's that 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:12.159 horrible video of that ICE agent smashing the window of 0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:14.720 that woman's car to deport her, and then the informations 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:18.120 come out that he is a deputized volunteer border guy. 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:22.080 And you know what's really happened if you look at it, 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:25.960 is we've kind of recreated in a decentralized form the 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:29.600 eindset Skrupa, right, like, instead of having a centralized state 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:32.199 having to raise these organizations that are going to be 0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:36.200 carrying out this kind of violence. Like it's it's largely 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:40.640 become something that vigilantes have gotten into on their own 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.440 as part of like just their's special interest in hurting 0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:47.440 people at scale. And it's it's such a uniquely it's 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:50.719 so uniquely tied to like this American individualism. It's such 0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:53.520 a uniquely sick thing about the way things work here 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:56.399 that that's happening, Like that wouldn't have happened, not that 0:25:56.600 --> 0:25:59.320 Germany is you know that German culture in the thirties 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:01.280 was better, but it wouldn't have happened because it was 0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:02.520 a different kind of culture. 0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:06.640 Yeah, for sure, and then it's really important to remember 0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:09.560 that this is not just a Trump problem, Like what 0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:12.159 he's doing right now is like, of course, like we 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:16.720 are entering next levels beyond next levels of what he's doing. 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:19.760 And even you know, just this morning, we've got an 0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:22.600 American citizen who has been held and they are not 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:26.400 being released despite the passport and the Social Security card 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:27.800 being shown to the judge, and the judge is like, 0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:30.399 I don't I can't actually release this person. Yeah, that's 0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:33.480 sort of where we're at now. But this has been 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:38.199 an ongoing thing for twenty years, across both parties and 0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:42.320 both administrations, and nothing really has like sort of churned 0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:46.840 my stomach more since Trump got elected than all of 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:49.800 the Democrats and people doing like sort of post mortems 0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:52.199 on the election and being like, well, you know, we 0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:55.800 really should be tougher on the border, and we really 0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:58.600 should sort of like buy into this framing that there 0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:01.280 is this like invasion and we just need to do 0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:04.720 border enforcement better. Like and they're then even moving and 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:07.280 positioning themselves to a place where it's like Trump's not 0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:09.879 even doing a good job protecting the border, and like 0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:11.480 there was somebody I forget even who it was, but 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:15.359 somebody one of them senators like tweeted, you know, this 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:18.119 time last year, Biden had deported this many people and 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:20.359 Trump isn't even deporting that many people. And he was 0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:22.440 like trying to make this point that like Trump wasn't 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:24.560 following through on his promises or something was like do 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:28.560 you even hear yourself? Like, do you even hear yourself? Yeah? Yeah, 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:32.040 it really is. And I can't you know, stomach the 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:35.600 fact that Democrats are are going to take away from 0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:39.720 all this that the American people love cruelty towards immigrants 0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:41.240 and that that we need to lean into that. Yes, 0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.040 And then you see the polls before all the tariffs 0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:45.960 stuff and all this stuff is going on, and he 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.200 Trump is still sitting at like fifty percent approval, and 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:50.080 it's like, I don't maybe they're right, Maybe the American 0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:51.239 people really do just love this. 0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:53.960 So I mean, I think the other the other side 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:55.639 of that though, and this is, you know, part of 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:57.800 the reason I brought up specifically like the resistance to 0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.280 it was it like the other aspect of the kind 0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:02.840 of individualism of American culture was that it also meant 0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:04.520 that there, you know, a bunch of people went out 0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:06.280 to the desert. Like our coworker James, spent a lot 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:09.440 of time during the Biden administration like at these I 0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:11.359 mean just like the open air prisons they built in 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:13.840 the middle of the fucking desert, like on the border, 0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:16.119 and you know, and like like one of the stories 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:19.000 that he covered extensively was that like probably most of 0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:21.159 these people would have died if it wasn't for like 0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:24.639 literally border volunteers like passing food and water to the bars. 0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:28.920 And that's something that I was thinking about a lot, 0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:30.520 looking at the mutual aid networks and looking at the 0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:32.480 kind of mutual aid networks that trans people are building 0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:34.479 up right now, and like, I mean, I okay, like 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:36.760 there's I mean, there's always been a million mutual aid 0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:39.400 networks because it's just impossible to survive if you're trans 0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:42.720 without like getting stuff from other trans people. 0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:45.000 We're not supposed to do anything alone, man, We're not 0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:47.959 supposed to do anything at Yeah. Well right, yeah, that's nothing. 0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:49.720 We're not supposed to be doing anything alone. 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:54.040 Yeah. And that's honestly, the most optimistic thing about your 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:57.920 podcast is that, like Martian society develops this very communal 0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:01.120 because it's we're living in like an art artificial habitat, 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:03.840 and if shit goes really wrong, everyone dies at once. 0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:07.600 You have to have this more collaborative, collective attitude towards 0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:11.360 safety and security that is just so completely absent from 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:15.040 American culture. It's the thing that continually sends me into 0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:18.840 the darkest spirals is because there's there's no fixing the 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.600 fundamental underlying problems without fixing that. 0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.360 Yeah, and like on Mars, you know that that sort 0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:27.160 of communal stuff is like they're also living in close quarters, 0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:32.160 so you can't really be somebody who needs to be alone, right, 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.800 That's the thing. And then also like in terms of 0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:38.120 like the early colonization of Mars, like, yeah, you have 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.880 to do this stuff together. And like there's there's a 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:43.360 like when I was doing like cultural like there's cultural 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:46.080 background like like works and and you know, like music 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.440 that was going on that the Martians were creating. And 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:49.880 I can't quite get into this, but there is a 0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:51.920 song that I've got like half written called the Ballad 0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:54.720 of Lonely Joe, which is like a it's like a 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:58.200 Martian folk song about lonely Joe who went off and 0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:00.520 tried to like do it himself, but and then he 0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:02.840 never comes back and now lonely Joe like wanders the 0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:05.720 red sands of Mars because like he tried to go 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:07.640 out and not do it like with the group and 0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:09.719 not do it with the community, because you can't survive 0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:12.680 alone on Mars. Yeah, but to your other point, Like, 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:14.720 one of the things that I definitely wrote into the 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:18.280 show is that everybody on Mars has a skin chip 0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:22.040 in their hand, and the skinship in their hand is 0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:25.560 what opens door. It like literally opens doors, and it 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:27.680 gives them access to the Commissary, and it gives them 0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:30.880 access to restaurants, it gives them access to food and employment. 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:34.880 Like everything goes through that skinship. And when the people 0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:38.000 get fired by Werner, their skin chips just get turned 0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:41.640 off effectively, and it doesn't it doesn't open doors anymore. 0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:44.280 They can't get food anymore. They are living inside of 0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:48.239 a society that they literally cannot interact with anymore. And 0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:51.920 so it took other Martians around them, and so there's 0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:53.720 a thing in the show called the no Doors movement, 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:57.920 which is Martians jamming open doors so that the people 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:01.040 who have they were called the annulled because their contracts 0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.880 were annulled. Yeah, but so so that the annulled could 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.440 get from here to there without needing their skin chip. Yeah, 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:09.760 those are the kinds of things that you know are 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.240 are necessary, and those are the kinds of things that 0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:15.000 are going to protect people. And I hope that those 0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:17.200 things are going on out there, and I hope that 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:20.320 none of us publicly state right now what we may 0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:23.600 or may not be doing that front. Yeah, let's just 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:25.400 go ahead and keep that words at. 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:29.000 I'm a big fan of the don't fed post on 0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:31.760 social media or in your podcast thing. 0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:35.880 Yeah, something you touched on there, I think is interesting 0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:40.320 about about the way that I being forced to live 0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:42.920 together like creates this consciousness. It reminds me a lot 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.840 of I was a student. I was an anthropology student, 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:47.800 and one of the things that we read was this 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:51.240 the sort of classic of I guess, I guess you'd 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.600 call it like structurals, Marxists, like anthropology from the eighties. 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:56.880 It's this book called Wet the Minds and the Minds 0:31:56.920 --> 0:32:01.160 Eat Us, which is about these indigenous bolivion Tins. And 0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:03.000 one of the things that I always struck me about 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:05.080 that was, you know, like because they're all they're all 0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:09.000 literally like sleeping next to each other, like in these rooms, 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.800 you can literally hear like the stomach of like the 0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:14.360 child next to you, like rumbling at night because I 0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:17.200 don't have enough food, and that like turns them into 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.960 like one of the most militant sort of like working class. 0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:22.760 I mean, for like a hundred years they are like 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.240 like they're syndicalists and then their communists and like they're 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.120 they're one of those Miltont things. And I, I don't know, 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.960 it's it's interesting to me that that this is like 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.440 this aspect of the society that that you've you know, 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:37.240 you've sort of drawn out of of these historical revolutions 0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:39.760 where a key element of it again is is this 0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.760 sort of collectivity. And also there's this like if you 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:45.880 look at like the trajectory of like the modern American 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.960 state and like the modern just the modern development of capitalism, 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.480 it's been specifically trying to make that stuff not happen 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:54.840 by like kicking people into suburbs and like trying to 0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:57.600 physically alienate people. And I was, I don't know, I 0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.320 was wonder how much you were sort of thinking about 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:01.880 that kind of stuff when you were like writing the 0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:02.960 cultural aspects of this. 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.000 Sure, No, that's that stuff is all in my mind, 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:06.720 and like I said, like, we're not meant to do 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:10.760 anything alone, Like humans are communal creatures. Like you don't 0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:14.240 go anywhere in history, like all the way back to 0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:18.320 the dawn of the species, you do not find individual 0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:21.080 humans like living by themselves. We have always done this 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:23.960 as a group. This has always been a group project. 0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:26.600 And like when you go back, because this is something 0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:27.880 that comes out of sort of like I study a 0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:30.440 lot of like political theory in school and those state 0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:33.560 of nature sort of works, you know, these thought experiments 0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:35.360 that like Thomas Paine would do or Rousseau would do, 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:37.840 and you know it's like, how did we come together? 0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:40.080 Why did we come together? Well, let's first imagine like 0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.600 an individual human wandering through the forest and like they 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.479 encounter another one, so they come together for defense and 0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:47.560 they come together, you know, to share food and do 0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:50.240 some division of labor. And it's like, no, there's no 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.600 such thing as a human wandering alone. That's not a thing. 0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:57.200 Like any outgrowth that comes from our description of what 0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.520 human society is, like, whether it's defense or the division 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:02.640 of labor, begins with the fact that we are already 0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:05.000 a group. There is a mother, there is a child, 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.360 there is a father, there, there are aunts and uncles 0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:11.279 and others, like whatever the group is there, we are 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:16.080 always doing this as a group. And hyper individualization and 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:21.320 hyper adamization of our society is something that is trying 0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.200 to undo one of the most fundamental parts of what 0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:26.680 it means to be human. This is something that I 0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:29.080 thought about a lot too, because when I started having kids, 0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:33.160 and you know, I have two kids, and the model 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:35.719 for like having a family at this point is like 0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:39.120 you have a mother, a father or whatever, you have kids, 0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:41.960 but the point being that they are a unit that 0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:44.839 is unto itself, and they live in their own house, 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:46.879 and they have to supply their own food, and they 0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.160 are in charge of getting their own money, and everything 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.120 that happens is just up to that little nuclear family. 0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:56.359 And the nuclear family is not really how we've ever 0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:59.520 done it before. Now. There's always been a broad network, 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.680 a broad fad family friend network that has been a 0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:06.280 part of you know, raising our kids and having our families. 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:08.960 And you know, if something bad happens, we don't just say, 0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:11.480 oh wow, bad luck for them. You know, you support 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:13.880 that person. Yeah, And that is something that we've really 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:15.760 gotten away from as a society. 0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:20.279 Obviously, and it's something that we've been pulled away from purposefully, right, 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:24.879 like the atomization isn't isn't just a byproduct of incentives, 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:27.759 right like it is a it is a directed move. 0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:29.040 I mean, you just got to look back to some 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:31.279 of the shit Thatcher was saying. Right, there's no such 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:33.080 thing as a society. There are men and women, and 0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:37.480 there are families. Right, this is a directed change. And 0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:39.799 I'm not saying this in like the conspiratorial since I'm 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.840 saying this a a This is what a lot of people, 0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.160 a lot of the worst people in our society believe 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:48.640 because it's convenient for them, and they have pushed to 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:52.160 make that belief more common and done so by funding 0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:54.319 think tanks and funding media organizations. 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.560 In part right, I was actually. 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.560 About to quote literally that exact thing. But the interesting 0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:00.600 part to me about that Thatcher line is that everyone, 0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.879 almost everyone who quotes that line only quotes the part 0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.120 about their are only individuals and then leaves out the 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:08.520 part about the family, yes, which which I think is 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:10.640 a really important connection to to what you were saying, 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.240 where it's like their vision of the family is also 0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:17.720 still fundamentally this isolated group because yes, they still need 0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:20.640 some kind of collective because again, you literally you can't 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.520 just like leave it, leave a baby like out in 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:24.040 the woods. 0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:24.840 It just dies. 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:25.160 Right. 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.520 But like they had, they had to like create this 0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:32.239 version to to be the like the political base of 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.480 their thing. They had to create this, this one collective 0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:36.920 that would be cut off from everything else that had 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:37.960 normally made it a collective. 0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:38.560 Yep. 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:42.680 You know people think these days that that atomized nuclear 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.799 family is like the law of nature, right, that this 0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.080 is like this is the way it's always been, and 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:52.759 like that's not true. It's just not true. There's a 0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:54.360 great line I don't have it right in front of 0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:57.600 me at the moment, but in uh in Tokeville's oustieon 0:36:57.640 --> 0:36:59.880 regime in the French Revolution, which is really dynamite but 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:02.560 everybody should read. At the end of it, he lays 0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.560 it out. He's writing this in like the eighteen forties 0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:09.640 and eighteen fifties, and he straight up says that like 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:14.120 what liberal capitalism is doing, which he was himself. I mean, 0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:16.120 he's a conservative liberal. Like it's not like he's on 0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:19.799 the left or anything, but he's he's watching as the 0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:23.680 atomization of families and individuals is happening, and He's like, 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:28.279 and that's how that's what tyranny thrives on. Tyranny thrives 0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:31.759 when everybody is disconnected from everybody else and everybody is 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.680 in competition with everybody else. Because that's the other key 0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:37.320 part of it is your family is now pitted against 0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:41.160 every other family in terms of like getting money, getting jobs, 0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:44.080 like getting that, getting this other thing. Like we're all 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:47.040 scrambling out there in a competition to get a little 0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.040 bit more, a little bit better, or just you know, 0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:50.920 have enough. Like I feel this every time I have 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.040 to sign the kids up for like summer camp, you know, 0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.719 like I'm at war with every other family in the 0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.080 neighborhood because I'm just trying to get my kid into 0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:00.640 this camp and some people aren't gonna make it and 0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:01.920 other people will, and you got to be there, and 0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.359 you gotta have strategies about when to log onto the thing, 0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:07.239 like because they because they they're pitting us against each 0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:10.120 other like all the time, in all those little subtle ways. 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:10.560 Yep. 0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:23.960 I think that's what's optimistic kind of about the Martian 0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:25.520 Revolution is like, you know, on the one hand, there 0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:28.520 is this kind of like collective society, but on the 0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:30.040 other hand, you know, this is a this is a 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:32.920 society entirely ruled by corporations, right and it is it 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:36.280 is literally every single aspect of it is specifically designed 0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:39.719 to get to do this pitting each other like being 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:45.680 people against each other. And yet anyways, somehow they you know, 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.080 even even if it is by accident, which is to 0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:51.279 be fair, how a lot of revolutions start, they they 0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:51.680 do it. 0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:54.560 I think the key thing is here is that we 0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:58.360 see throughout time like really extreme societies that try to 0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:02.120 mold people in certain ways with the idea of permanently 0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:05.360 changing them. And what happens in the past, at least 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:08.279 to every one of those societies, is that the society 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:11.160 dies and people go on being people, right. 0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:14.280 Mm hmm, yeah, Yeah, there's no there's no year zero, 0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:17.960 there's no creat new There's there's no there's no new 0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:21.000 Man right now, that's not ever going to happen. That's 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:23.880 actually I mean, just I wouldn't even have thought that. 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:25.839 I'm going to tie this back again to Tokefield, which 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:30.480 the reason I would recommend Onnian regime is because that 0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:33.360 is a book about how much of the revolution was 0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:35.839 a continuation of what was going on before it and 0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:39.319 not actually caused by the revolutionary break And even if 0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:41.319 you believe in the revolution and believe it was this, 0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:44.319 I actually believe in the revolution because it accomplished these 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:48.280 great things, but there was no year zero thing that happened. 0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.879 A lot of this stuff like is just on a continuum. 0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:54.120 And you know, like I don't want to get in 0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:56.440 a fight with somebody about whether human nature is a 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:59.400 thing that exists or doesn't exist, like like as an 0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:02.919 as an abs tract thing, because because I'm not sure 0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:05.200 that it's true, but there sure are a lot of 0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:09.200 things that keep popping up, right, Like we're interested in sex, 0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:12.000 and we have to eat food, and we live in shelters, 0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:14.520 and we make music, and there do there does seem 0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:18.400 to be some very like human qualities that exist across 0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:20.279 all time and across all space. And if you just 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.800 say to yourself, like, well, like I mean, this is 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:25.719 one of the things. I'm very sympathetic to anarchists, but 0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:29.680 like there's a point with anarchism, like especially the early stuff, 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:31.799 where their idea was that if you smash the state, 0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:34.320 and you destroy the state, then humans will be allowed 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:38.600 to flourish in their natural goodness. And communalism, which is, 0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:41.760 you know a little bit what we are moving towards 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:44.320 right now. But I'm not sure even that exists, because 0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:46.680 if you if you crash the state out, it's not 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.160 the state that's necessarily making us this way. There is 0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:52.040 there is stuff inside of human nature that's that we 0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:54.160 created the state to begin with. So the whole, the 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:56.600 whole thing is like a very it's a balancing act 0:40:57.080 --> 0:41:01.360 that has gone way too far in So yeah. 0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:04.480 And I think that's something I always I always try 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:07.760 to keep in mind, Like it's not that societies can't 0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:12.080 alter or improve aspects of like how things are right 0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:14.960 by changing the incentives, but by altering like the way 0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:18.920 things work, you can reduce the prevalence of certain problems. 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.439 You can make things better in some ways. But there's 0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:23.040 certain stuff that you're just never going to Like when 0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:24.560 I look at when I look at what the white 0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:27.120 supremacists want to do, right, well, you're never going to 0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:31.040 get people to stop mingling with other kinds of people. 0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:32.080 You simply can't. 0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:34.800 It's never worked and it never will right like that, 0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:37.120 that's an impossible dream. So I can just say, like 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:40.799 that's a thing, no matter what how tightly you grab 0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:42.560 a hold of the reins of state, and how many 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:45.480 weapons you deploy, you simply won't succeed in the long 0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:47.400 term of doing this because it's just not something we 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.640 can do. You can't stop people from mingling. 0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:54.399 This is actually one of my points about immigration and migration, yeah, 0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:58.560 is that no matter how tightly you try to control it, 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.239 no matter you could build every all you want, you 0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:03.080 can make it as hard as you want, people are 0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:04.880 still going to move here. People are still going to 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:06.480 move away from here. People are still going to go 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:08.480 from here to there and from there to here. And 0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:11.759 that is something that is going to happen no matter what, 0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:15.280 and especially if we're going into the twenty first century 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:18.279 with all of its various climate disasters that are you know, 0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.640 facing us really and yeah, is going to make such Yeah, 0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:24.239 it's gonna it's gonna it's already making some places less 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.680 habitable and other places will be more habitable. And what's 0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:28.040 going to happen is that people who are living in 0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:29.640 less habitable areas are going to want to go to 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:32.520 where there are areas that are still habitable. And so 0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:34.800 there there is there's going to be movements of people. 0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:38.000 And the question before us in the twenty first century 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:40.880 is not you know, can we keep people in the 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:44.359 places that they are now and you know, like sort 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:47.720 of lock in rigidly to like these xenophobic nation states 0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:51.640 and that will actually stop those migrations from happening. Or 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.040 do we open ourselves up to the idea that this 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.520 is going to happen and simply make it more humane 0:42:56.680 --> 0:43:01.000 and more more rational. That's the question. It's not whether 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:04.520 the migrations will happen or not. It's simply how cruel 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:06.880 they will be when they happen. And right now we 0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:08.880 are choosing maximum cruelty. 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:15.399 Yep, sucks, Yeah, it does. Like that's that's so much 0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:18.480 of our present society is like, well, yeah, this is 0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:20.640 the cruelest way I can imagine this happening, you know, 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:23.120 like and we are we are staring down the barrel 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:25.759 of the worst case scenario, right like that. That's the 0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:29.479 thing everyone's had to make peace with. You know, even 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:31.920 once Trump won, there was still a degree of like, well, 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:35.640 I guess we'll see and we've seen, right, and we 0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:38.400 do just kind of have to guide off that without 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:42.359 pretending it's otherwise. Like the That's one of the few 0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:44.239 things that does give me hope is that the people 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:47.279 who are insistent upon pretending otherwise seem to be getting 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:51.320 increasingly marginalized. I mean, we'll see Gavin Newsan still hasn't 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:55.480 been sort of choked off of access to the public, 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:58.080 but you know, the statements he's been making recently about 0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:02.400 Abrego Garcia, it's just like, yeah, I just can't. I 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:07.160 can't imagine this guy being the future of the Democratic 0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:10.640 Party if this is just looking at where popular discourse 0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:11.520 is right now. 0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:13.880 Right, and there's a lot of them who would like 0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:16.880 it to be the future of the Democratic Party because 0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:20.840 they don't care as much as Republicans don't care about 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.399 the lives of these people who are living on this earth, 0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:27.040 who are living, breathing human beings who are just someplace 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:29.759 else and living in a world where like, yeah, the 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:34.839 United States and Europe, we suck up the world's wealth 0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:38.120 and resources, like that's where the imperial center of the globe, 0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:40.880 and people are like, oh they And even when people 0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:42.920 say like, well, why do people come here, and you know, 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:46.759 there's a kind of a standard American exceptionalist notion which 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:48.200 is like, well, they come here because they want their 0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:51.320 because they want freedom and freedom is what America offers, 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.200 and like the American dream and all that stuff, like 0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:56.799 the entrepreneurial spirit, et cetera, et cetera. But mostly it's 0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:58.959 because this is where you can come and get the 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:02.080 world's money. Yeah, this is where it all is. It's 0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:04.200 sitting in my pocket, it's sitting in your pocket. Right, 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:07.399 we are the ones who have all of the world's money, 0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:10.200 and so that is why they are coming here. Yep. 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:13.280 So you just have to like fit that in your brain. 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:17.360 And what is happening is is this this constant division 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:23.319 between like Americans being more important than anybody else, And 0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:27.120 I understand why that exists politically, and even these questions 0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:29.839 are like citizens versus non citizens. Like one of the 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.520 things that got me when I was reading Bakunin was 0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:35.879 like he had it was a throwaway line, It wasn't 0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:37.880 even like a point he was making, but he referred 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:41.239 to something as mere citizenship, which kind of struck me 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:43.480 because I grew up very liberal, Like I come from 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:46.560 like the liberal suburbs of Seattle, and I had very 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:50.440 liberal notions and citizenship, in sort of the liberal imagination 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:52.600 is the highest thing that you can be, be a 0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:55.759 citizen of a polity with rights, there's a constitution, you 0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:58.600 get to participate in the government. Like citizen and citizenship 0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.719 are these words that had great, profound meaning and really 0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:03.440 kind of like knock me sideways to have and be 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:08.920 like mere citizenship. Right, You've been reduced to simply a 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:12.319 part of a polity, and your humanity has been taken 0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:15.000 away from you. You're no longer being recognized as a 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:18.040 human being. You're being recognized as a citizen. And if 0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.399 you're not a citizen, then you just don't count at all. 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:23.399 And it totally wipes out their humanity. So not only 0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:26.520 do I not have humanity because I'm simply a part 0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:30.120 of some polity rather than being me, Mike Duncan, a 0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:34.319 human being, but it's erasing our human obligations to each other, 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:37.840 to non citizens and the idea like and you just 0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:40.359 see this very casually, like right now, like all over 0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:42.319 the place. It's just like they're not citizens, so they 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:45.080 don't deserve due process. They're not citizens, so we can 0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.839 just send them to El Salvadorian torture prisons and it's 0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:50.480 fine because they're not citizens and therefore they don't have rights. 0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:54.280 It's like what about you know, just being a person 0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:57.719 thinking about other people. And one of the greatest, one 0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:00.560 of my very favorite. I know I'm steamroll in here. 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:02.200 I'll let you get a word in edgeways here in 0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:06.520 a second. But the I forget what the court case was, 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:08.920 but there was a court case out of Texas, you know, 0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:12.480 like back in like the sixties, when they decided that 0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:17.600 the Texas school districts had to open the schools to 0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:21.960 undocumented children. And they said that because it says in 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:25.239 the Fourteenth Amendment persons, it doesn't say citizens. And they 0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:27.040 were arresting a lot of this on the notion that 0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:30.680 like it's it says person has these rights, not citizen 0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:34.240 has these rights. And this is what conservatives and MAGA hate, 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:35.880 hate hate, this is why they're going to try to 0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:39.120 undo the fourteenth Amendment. But to have the Supreme Court 0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:41.640 at one point in the past be like, no, you 0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:43.759 have to do this because you owe an obligation to 0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:45.719 them as a person, not just as a citizen, that's 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.560 like mind blowing. I could not see the Supreme Court 0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:52.080 today making that same decision. But like, that's that's the 0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:55.960 kernel of something really good I think for the future 0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:58.560 of humanity. Rather than like clinging to this like citizen 0:47:58.600 --> 0:47:59.480 or non citizen thing. 0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:04.600 I guess kind of for me, the most important belief 0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:07.759 I ever came to was the understanding that, like, I 0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:11.319 don't care about citizenship and I don't care about who 0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:14.759 is supposed to be in a specific place, right, I 0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:18.319 think one of the most toxic ideas possible is that, like, 0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:21.719 your rights as a person are dependent on where you 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:24.520 were born. Yeah, that's just the thing I'll never believe. 0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:27.719 And it's the fight we've lost the worst as the 0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:30.120 left or you know, I should even say getting beyond 0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:33.080 left and right, because I really think those are not 0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:34.600 the most useful ways to look at things. 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:35.720 It's like human beings. 0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:39.360 The fact that that battle, the battle to just see 0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:43.120 people as humans with inherent value as humans, regardless on 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:44.799 their place of birth. The fact that that has been 0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:49.040 botched so badly is maybe the greatest calamity of the 0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:53.040 twenty first century. Although there's a few contenders, don't get 0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:53.399 me wrong. 0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:56.400 Yeah, there's a lot well, and it's so it's so 0:48:56.800 --> 0:48:59.440 deeply ingrained. Something I'm going to talk about more like 0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:02.080 different place. But like, one of the things that's been 0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:04.160 driving me the most up the walls is like, so 0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:06.440 I've had to read like every single piece of terrorists covered. 0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:09.120 Tariff coverage has been written by like fucking all these analysts, 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:12.839 all of these media people, like, and every single one 0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:16.279 of them only fucking talks about its impact on Americans, right, yep. 0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:18.040 And if you look at the like the Liberation Day 0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:21.080 like turf tariff package, right, the single country that is 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:23.560 the most fu from this is Sri Lanka yep. And 0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:25.600 if those tariffs go back into effect in like in 0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:29.839 like fifty days whatever, like eighty days, like, the entire 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:33.680 country of Shri Lanka is fucked. They're doomed, They're completely fucked. 0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:35.399 And all of these countries, you know, all these countries 0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:37.799 need US dollars in order to like literally to buy 0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:40.040 fucking fuel. And then suddenly, oh wait, hold on, you 0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:42.120 can't do experts of the US and like the entire 0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:44.360 this is something that affects literally the entire world. 0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:44.640 Right. 0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:46.279 You can look at the terariff rates on every single 0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:51.040 country like in the world, and everyone writing about it 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:54.239 only writes about its effect upon the US because there's 0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:57.399 this just like like there's this this this pure sort 0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.439 of Americ centrism thing where like people and I see 0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:02.359 this on the left too, wherechs like they fundamentally don't 0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:05.000 see anyone who's not in the US as human, and 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:07.000 the people in the US who who are seen as 0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:09.640 like people who seems like humans, who you know, like 0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:14.480 think and feel and like act and like hurt in 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:17.480 the same way. So we do, like that's only a 0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:19.440 thing that happens if you're a very specific kind of 0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:22.399 American citizen. And if you're not, or God help you, you 0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:25.680 were born in like most of the like the rest 0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:29.480 of the world, which is again it hitteous super majority 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:33.320 of everyone on Earth. You just you don't matter, and. 0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:38.040 Yep, they don't, yeah, not in all this. And like 0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:39.880 I mean to bring it back to the Martian Revolution, 0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:42.600 like that one of the things that is happening right now. 0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:44.080 Like in the series, I'm you know, it's going to 0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:48.240 be thirty episodes long, and I'm writing episode twenty three 0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:51.719 right now. But like we've gone through the revolution, there's 0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:53.680 been I don't want to give away too many spoilers, 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:56.719 but obviously like they win, you know at certain points, 0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:59.839 otherwise it wouldn't be a very interesting story. And they're 0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:04.200 is a debate right now among the victorious Martian revolutionaries 0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:08.120 about who should count inside of the Martian constitution and 0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:10.120 this thing called the Republic of Mars that they have 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:12.360 just declared they're no longer a part of a corporation. 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:14.240 They're going to be this thing called the Republic of Mars. 0:51:14.760 --> 0:51:18.680 And there's a guy who is passionately committed to Mars 0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:21.440 and to the Martian people, and he hates earthlings and 0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:23.799 he doesn't trust earthlings. And there's no reason for him 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:25.960 to trust earthlings. They have tried to screw them over 0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:28.359 a bunch of times and it cause nothing but pain. 0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:30.480 And so, but there are a bunch of earth born 0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:33.719 Earthlings on Mars, and he wants to exclude them from 0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:36.040 the Republic of Mars. And if you're born on Mars, 0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:37.839 then you should get to participate. And if you're not, 0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:40.279 then you shouldn't have rights, you shouldn't be a part 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:42.880 of this project. And I would love to just I 0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:45.719 would love to deport you. That's what he's going to 0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:48.400 be arguing. And then there is another side that has 0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:53.080 a more universalist take on this, and my character Alexandra Clair, 0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:55.200 who is like a d class. She comes out of 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:58.920 the warrens. She can just that's basically like the working class. 0:51:59.320 --> 0:51:59.480 You know. 0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:02.520 She's like when Earthlings come here, Yeah, I don't like 0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:05.600 it when they bungle things because they're new and they 0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:07.640 don't know what they're doing. Like I'm as annoyed by 0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:10.839 the new guy as anybody, but like they've suffered right 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:13.640 alongside me, like suffering the same conditions. Like the fact 0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:16.439 that they were born on Earth doesn't mean that they're 0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:19.239 not suffering right now, that their contracts weren't annulled, that 0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:22.080 they are not suffering from the new protocols. Like and 0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:24.800 you know when during these revolutions, did they hold neutron 0:52:24.880 --> 0:52:27.239 guns in their hands and fight and die for Mars? Yeah? 0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:31.439 They did, And so probably we should say that it's 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:34.839 not Martian good, Earthling bad. But like, let's just open 0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:37.160 it up to everybody and we will sort out, like 0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:40.279 you know, who's you know, who's in on this and 0:52:40.320 --> 0:52:42.600 who's who's actually trying to undermine us, because you know 0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:45.839 there is there are loyalist fifth columnists that they are 0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:46.600 gonna have to deal with. 0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:50.919 Yeah, well, I think we're encroaching on an hour here, 0:52:51.000 --> 0:52:53.600 so we're I think we need to probably uh call 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:57.200 this for the day. But Mike, I really appreciate your time. 0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:59.839 You've been so generous, and I can't wait to see 0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:02.040 where you end. I know that you're also can't wait 0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:03.680 to see where you land on all of. 0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:07.240 This, right, right, right, I've got all the plot points, 0:53:07.320 --> 0:53:10.200 you know, I know where it's going, but just getting 0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:13.480 there is. Yeah. It's weird because sometimes when you write fiction, 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:16.319 characters are like, you weren't supposed to do that, and 0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:18.120 now I've got to deal with that, and like, what 0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:20.760 do you? Well, she wouldn't do that in this moment, 0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:22.239 So I guess I was going to have her do it, 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.400 but I just can't believe that she would ever do 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:26.440 that in that situation. So I guess she can't do it, 0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:27.799 and I'll have to figure that out. And that's my 0:53:27.840 --> 0:53:29.040 weekly struggle these days. 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.720 Yeah, Yeah, that's that's the struggle of releasing fiction before 0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:33.880 you're entirely done with it. 0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:37.120 Yeah, well, I write it. I mean I wake up, 0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:39.239 I wake up every Monday morning with a blank piece 0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:41.120 of paper and have to have that week's episode done 0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:44.040 by Sunday night, and so I'm writing these in real time. Yeah. 0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:46.799 Well, I congratulate you on trapping yourself in such an 0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:50.400 exquisite hell I'm enjoying listening to it. I know everyone 0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:51.120 else's as well. 0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:51.640 It's great. 0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:55.239 I love it all right, that's the episode everybody, Thank 0:53:55.280 --> 0:54:09.520 you fight. 0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:19.239 What's so, y'all's your favorite cousin? I just came over 0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:22.040 you feel me? Y'all don't have no cousins that just 0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:25.080 kind of pop up, just be at the house like 0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:27.719 a ninety sitcom where you don't knock on the door, 0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:31.520 you just be walking in. That wasn't my life, mainly 0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.720 because most of the cousins on my mother's side lived 0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:36.840 on the other side of the country, and then my 0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:40.520 cousin's on my father's side, since we lived in gang 0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:42.200 infested areas, you didn't. 0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:42.640 Just pop up. 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:47.680 That was just not the safest thing to do. But 0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:50.880 I'm doing that at youall house. And you know what 0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:54.040 happens when you have cousins come over. Well, now, a 0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:56.080 small percentage of y'all are black, but a lot of 0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:59.600 percentages y'all grew up poor, which means that you got 0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:02.759 whooping just like we did. So you know, usually when 0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:05.520 your cousin comes over, somebody's getting We all somebody getting 0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:08.359 in trouble, and it's usually you because you're supposed. 0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:10.879 To know better. I never got more spankings. 0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:17.200 Than when my cousins came over because we would just 0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:20.160 get into stuff. And then since I'm the one that 0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:23.000 lived there and I was cutting up in front of company, 0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:25.799 I ended up getting into most trouble. Anyway, this isn't 0:55:25.800 --> 0:55:28.319 where I'm working out trauma, although it is called it 0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:30.640 can happen here podcasts, so I feel like we all 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:34.480 collectively working out trauma of being Americans. And lastly, on 0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:38.000 the rambling preamble, I got a dog. Now, well, my 0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:41.640 daughter got a dog. And to all the parents that listen, 0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:44.799 you know when your child gets a pet, who's pet 0:55:44.880 --> 0:55:49.439 that actually is? So I find myself doing a lot 0:55:49.520 --> 0:55:53.480 more chores than I signed up for. But it's a pug, 0:55:54.320 --> 0:55:57.320 and it keeps trying to eat the cat's food. Therefore 0:55:57.360 --> 0:56:01.040 it's got liquid doodoo and I'm not a fan of that. 0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:05.560 And since I get to work in my pajamas because 0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:10.360 I'm just recording podcasts and rap music back here, seems 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:13.000 to fall on me to scoop up this liquid doodoo. 0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:16.399 But that's only when she eats the cat's food. Stupid dog, 0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:19.920 eat your own food. Anyway, I'm here to talk about 0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:21.720 something that you can do nothing about. 0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:22.879 All right, y'all? 0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:26.720 Ready, here we go, a brother like me who bleeds 0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:29.879 Los Angeles. You cut me open and Pacific Ocean salt 0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:33.680 water comes out. You poke my lungs, and small pours 0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:39.000 out of me. I could work for the Tourist Department 0:56:39.000 --> 0:56:44.720 of Los Angeles. I love this city at an unhealthy level. 0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:50.080 There are things about this place that is absolute trash. 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:54.719 Don't get me wrong, there is a lot wrong with 0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:59.839 this city. With this place, the ground shakes up under us. 0:57:00.640 --> 0:57:04.480 We've been such a horrible steward as to how to 0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:07.239 take care of this land. I'm gonna include myself, even 0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:11.319 though I am not the invasive colonizer. But there are 0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:16.720 really only nine native trees to California, two of which 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:22.480 are not the palm tree or the eucalyptus. The plants 0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:26.960 that are here naturally are drought resistant and fire resistant. 0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:28.240 They don't burn that easy. 0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:31.920 The ones that burn up real quick are the sycamores 0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:32.800 and the palm trees. 0:57:32.920 --> 0:57:36.400 And if you may have noticed, Los Angeles hit. 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:40.680 A bit of a dry spell recently and had quite 0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:45.959 the disaster. Now, I'm slowly backing that thing up into 0:57:46.000 --> 0:57:47.760 what we're gonna talk about right now, which you should 0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:51.120 probably know if you have already read the show title 0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:54.600 when you clicked play. But I'm gonna back that thing 0:57:54.760 --> 0:58:01.880 up into it. California catches fire every year in some location. Now, 0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:06.840 my mother, you know, Mama prop she worked thirty years 0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:10.000 for the La County Fire Department, you know, in the 0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:10.960 city of West Covina. 0:58:10.960 --> 0:58:12.040 Because I'm at six two. 0:58:11.920 --> 0:58:17.960 Sixer and I have vivid memories of the different firemen, 0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:20.640 fire chiefs. I think I talked about this in the 0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:23.760 La on Fire episode. Block is literally hot on the 0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:27.960 Hood politics show, which hopefully you guys are supporting and 0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:29.200 listening to also. 0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:31.440 But even my boy Chris. 0:58:31.160 --> 0:58:34.760 Who's you know, firefighter, you know, been fighting the fires 0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:38.240 out here. Everybody knew that one day this day would 0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:44.800 come and that, let's just say, all of the bureaucratic 0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:47.520 failures had not happened. If the water was as full 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:53.320 as possible, the fire hydrants were fined, if everything was 0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:57.040 the budget, if everything was done perfectly, this was going 0:58:57.080 --> 0:58:57.560 to happen. 0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:02.080 This day was going to come. That it's a perfect storm. 0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:06.320 We were had a specific type of drought, lack of rain, 0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:10.000 the Santa Ana winds and then a fire sparking, and 0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:14.440 that fire sparking in a densely populated urban area. It 0:59:14.520 --> 0:59:18.680 was every fireman I knew was like, yeah, one day 0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:21.600 it's gonna happen. And like I said in the last episode, yeah, 0:59:21.720 --> 0:59:24.960 like you know, we could find ourselves a time machine 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:27.560 and practice the indigenous practices. 0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:28.320 Oh. 0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:31.800 Actually, as a small little beacon alike, there's an area 0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:36.040 Alta Dina that was actually given back to the Tongva 0:59:36.040 --> 0:59:39.520 tribe many years back. There was a first like actual 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:43.520 land back given back to the tribe and they started 0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:45.480 taking care of the land the way that their elders 0:59:45.480 --> 0:59:46.360 and ancestors did. 0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:49.959 And guess what, that area didn't burn anyway in the. 0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:54.280 Midst of this disaster that we were having a desperate, 0:59:54.920 --> 1:00:01.560 desperate man who I completely understand is desperation. On Tuesday 1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:06.760 night on January seventh, while the fires were just rumbling 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:12.080 through the Palisades, a man named Keith Wasserman, who's the 1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:15.720 co founder of a real estate investment firm, desperately took 1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:19.240 to Twitter and said, does anyone have access to private 1:00:19.440 --> 1:00:23.280 firefighters to protect our home? Need to act fast here 1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:30.000 all neighbors houses burning will pay any amount. There was 1:00:30.040 --> 1:00:36.480 another click of Rick Caruso, who almost in a multiverse situation, 1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:42.720 is our mayor, a billionaire developer who owns the Grove 1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:47.600 on the West Side. Just that if you ever watched TMZ, 1:00:47.800 --> 1:00:50.520 whenever somebody's walking out of a place, it's probably at 1:00:50.520 --> 1:00:57.120 the grove and was a you know, real estate magnate. Anyway, 1:00:57.400 --> 1:01:00.520 there are videos of him driving through an area that 1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:04.280 he had with his private security and private firefighters where 1:01:04.400 --> 1:01:07.240 it's smoke billowing all around the place, but his situation 1:01:07.400 --> 1:01:11.280 was fine. Why because he had private firefighters. They shaved 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:15.640 his shopping center, but he tried to unsuccessfully save nearby 1:01:15.720 --> 1:01:19.720 homes as well, which reminded everybody about the time that 1:01:19.920 --> 1:01:24.600 Kanye and Kim tweeted about their house being saved by 1:01:24.720 --> 1:01:25.920 fired fighters. 1:01:25.800 --> 1:01:29.560 And which made people be like, wait a minute, you 1:01:29.640 --> 1:01:33.040 can buy fire department, man, What the hell is this? 1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:35.160 What type of shit? 1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:36.960 Man? 1:01:37.160 --> 1:01:42.840 What we over here arguing over firefightrants. 1:01:41.960 --> 1:01:45.720 And tanks running low and somebody just paid them? 1:01:45.760 --> 1:01:47.400 Where they get the water from? 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:53.520 How the hell you can just oh my god, what 1:01:53.560 --> 1:01:56.840 the hell water are you using, nigga, that's not your water? 1:01:58.000 --> 1:02:00.760 And what you gonna do? Are you gonna help out 1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:04.200 the neighbors. Okay, So if I buy a fire department, 1:02:04.400 --> 1:02:06.840 fire apartment show up from my house, but the neighbor's 1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:09.440 house is burned, you just gonna lead a neighbor's house. 1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:12.680 You gonna tell them to call the city's fire department. 1:02:13.000 --> 1:02:15.800 What the hell is happening? How does this shit work? 1:02:16.160 --> 1:02:18.880 Is there any other way rich people can be evil? 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:23.360 What is happening right now? Which is basically what happened 1:02:23.360 --> 1:02:28.120 and how most of the regulars felt. So this episode 1:02:28.160 --> 1:02:33.440 is not just about private fire departments, because that would 1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:37.280 not be a very interesting full episode. It's about the 1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:42.080 question that private fire departments bring up, which is like nigga, 1:02:42.120 --> 1:02:43.080 whose water is that? 1:02:43.440 --> 1:02:46.919 Wait a minute, who owns the water? Is the water 1:02:47.040 --> 1:02:47.680 private too? 1:02:47.960 --> 1:02:50.440 And if the water is private too, what else of 1:02:50.560 --> 1:02:51.880 my utilities are private? 1:02:52.080 --> 1:02:54.000 And this is what I mean by there is nothing 1:02:54.000 --> 1:02:54.960 you can do about it? 1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:55.560 Now. 1:02:55.680 --> 1:02:59.640 If there is any of you that are built like 1:03:00.120 --> 1:03:04.800 Robert and Magpie, then maybe you ain't got to worry 1:03:04.800 --> 1:03:07.840 about this. Maybe you could dig your own well and 1:03:07.880 --> 1:03:11.520 find the groundwater. However, there are things called water land rights, 1:03:11.560 --> 1:03:14.480 which I will talk about into this. So even if 1:03:16.920 --> 1:03:19.520 you move off the grid to live on a mountain. 1:03:19.920 --> 1:03:23.640 You find somewhere in the backwoods, you know, four acres 1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:26.920 away from Magpie wherever the hell Magpie live, and you 1:03:27.040 --> 1:03:30.160 dig to find some water. Somebody owned that water. It 1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:34.040 already happened here, y'all. Let's go all right, this may 1:03:34.120 --> 1:03:35.840 or may not be a shock to y'all. I know 1:03:35.880 --> 1:03:39.440 in the first the block is literally hot episode I 1:03:39.560 --> 1:03:42.520 did way way, way way back when I first joined 1:03:42.520 --> 1:03:45.760 Wellkools on media first launch, when I first joined the team, 1:03:46.240 --> 1:03:49.360 my first episodes, it was one of those things where 1:03:49.360 --> 1:03:51.680 it's like the thought has probably never crossed your mind, 1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:54.560 and and some of it's like sitting I'm talking to 1:03:54.600 --> 1:03:57.360 y'all who pay bills. Some of this stuff is sitting 1:03:57.400 --> 1:04:01.600 right up under your nose, Like Southern California Medicine is 1:04:01.960 --> 1:04:05.040 one of our power companies. But then there's PG and E. 1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:08.560 This isn't the City of Los Angeles providing this. That's 1:04:08.600 --> 1:04:11.320 a company. In the same way that your internet come 1:04:11.400 --> 1:04:14.240 from a company. What makes you think your power don't 1:04:14.240 --> 1:04:16.520 come from a company. And if your power come from 1:04:16.520 --> 1:04:19.160 a company and an internet come from a company, why 1:04:19.200 --> 1:04:22.080 wouldn't your water come from a company? I like, well, 1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:24.200 I don't know what would make you think that that's 1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:28.959 just a city municipality. Well, because duh, because water fall 1:04:29.040 --> 1:04:29.720 from the sky. 1:04:30.240 --> 1:04:30.959 What the shit? 1:04:31.960 --> 1:04:35.080 So what I'm paying for you to pump it through 1:04:35.080 --> 1:04:37.120 the through the dog on pipes for me? 1:04:37.240 --> 1:04:39.760 I understand that that's a service, But what the hell 1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:44.600 of my taxes for you? Somebody like I don't know 1:04:44.640 --> 1:04:47.400 if you noticed, you can own the rain. So the 1:04:47.440 --> 1:04:50.880 water that fell inside the lake, somebody bought the lake. 1:04:51.800 --> 1:04:53.760 This is the episode that I'm going to tell y'all. 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:57.960 Right now, so your utilities, most likely your city has 1:04:58.000 --> 1:05:01.640 sold your water and your sewage processing to a private company. 1:05:01.800 --> 1:05:05.200 And the bills that you're paying your water bill is 1:05:05.240 --> 1:05:09.400 not going to the city for the service you are receiving. 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:14.880 It is paying the company back the money that the 1:05:14.960 --> 1:05:19.480 company paid your city to get this gig. Let me 1:05:19.520 --> 1:05:22.160 back up here first, let me cover the private fire departments. 1:05:22.200 --> 1:05:26.800 Now here's the thing. Private fire departments usually are hired 1:05:26.920 --> 1:05:31.320 by insurance companies. So what they do a lot of 1:05:31.320 --> 1:05:34.320 time is like prevention. They'll come in here and you know, 1:05:34.680 --> 1:05:38.200 clear out shrub, make sure that your house is not 1:05:38.400 --> 1:05:42.800 like set up for failure. You know. In California, I mean, 1:05:42.840 --> 1:05:46.360 people always talk about our strict laws and building codes, 1:05:46.400 --> 1:05:49.200 and it's like, well, nigga, do you see why every 1:05:49.240 --> 1:05:52.680 time you got a bureaucratic law, like there might be 1:05:53.280 --> 1:05:57.520 a historical evidence as to why we need that, one 1:05:57.600 --> 1:06:01.600 of which is my nigga, California ain't got a lot 1:06:01.640 --> 1:06:04.960 of water. So if you're gonna build a house, you 1:06:05.040 --> 1:06:08.320 can't just have dry shrubbery up around your house. Why 1:06:08.480 --> 1:06:13.000 because you just basically put a box of matches just 1:06:13.040 --> 1:06:18.400 around your house. So yes, bam, like that's why you 1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:19.120 can't do that. 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:21.320 Why you not allowed to have a lot of trash 1:06:21.360 --> 1:06:22.240 in your house? Nigga? 1:06:22.320 --> 1:06:24.760 What I mean, what the hell you think? Because this 1:06:24.800 --> 1:06:29.400 shit will catch on fire. So these private companies, private 1:06:29.440 --> 1:06:32.600 fire companies usually come through and again they hire body 1:06:32.640 --> 1:06:36.960 insurance companies normally to come and clear shrubbery, make sure 1:06:37.000 --> 1:06:41.720 that your length, your dryer is cleared out, make sure 1:06:41.800 --> 1:06:44.480 your h VAC is good. And usually they got their 1:06:44.520 --> 1:06:46.560 own little tank right, So they come in with their 1:06:46.600 --> 1:06:48.680 own little tank of water that stay private water that 1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:50.480 basically they bring in their bottle water, you know what 1:06:50.520 --> 1:06:52.880 I'm saying, while the rest of us is using tap right, 1:06:53.120 --> 1:06:55.880 But eventually that little tank go run out. You feel 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:57.400 me and then at that point you got to tap 1:06:57.440 --> 1:07:00.760 into the fire hydrant. Right now, what most of these 1:07:00.760 --> 1:07:04.040 companies will say is, like the guys were not monsters, dude, Like, 1:07:04.360 --> 1:07:07.720 if if the neighborhood is on fire, of course we're 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:10.200 going to help. What do you like, what are you 1:07:10.240 --> 1:07:14.320 talking about? Which I truly believe for this reason. If 1:07:14.320 --> 1:07:17.760 I'm paying to protect this house, but the neighbor's house 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:20.880 is on fire, that probably means that the neighbor's house 1:07:20.960 --> 1:07:22.800 is going to cause my house to catch on fire. 1:07:22.880 --> 1:07:25.840 So of course it would be in my best interest 1:07:26.240 --> 1:07:27.480 to help put that one out. 1:07:27.720 --> 1:07:29.840 According to the New York Times. 1:07:29.680 --> 1:07:32.880 They reported that, yeah, good, forty five percent of all 1:07:32.960 --> 1:07:37.000 firefighters working in the United States today are employed privately 1:07:37.840 --> 1:07:42.360 right now. A lot of those are like wildlife suppression. Now, 1:07:42.360 --> 1:07:45.320 there's such thing as called the National Wildlife Suppression Association, 1:07:45.400 --> 1:07:48.400 which represents more than like three hundred private firefighting groups, 1:07:48.840 --> 1:07:53.760 and a lot of them work more as like government contractors, 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:58.400 right as far as like again supplement for like wildfires, 1:07:58.800 --> 1:08:02.240 right and like I said, the others are hired by 1:08:02.720 --> 1:08:05.880 private companies. Yo, and peak this like a little two 1:08:05.920 --> 1:08:09.320 person private firefighting crew with a small vehicle. 1:08:09.560 --> 1:08:11.480 I mean it could cost like three grand a day. 1:08:12.120 --> 1:08:16.320 Like a large crew of like twenty firefighters and four 1:08:16.360 --> 1:08:19.800 trucks can run ten thousand dollars a day. This is 1:08:19.840 --> 1:08:23.360 according to Brian Weelock, the vice president of the Gray 1:08:23.439 --> 1:08:27.439 Back Forestry. It's a private firefighting company in Oregon. But 1:08:27.560 --> 1:08:29.479 most of the time, like I said, these people don't 1:08:29.520 --> 1:08:33.640 really work directly with homeowners. But that's not what's the 1:08:33.760 --> 1:08:36.120 interesting part of this story to me. The interesting part 1:08:36.160 --> 1:08:40.320 of this story to me is the reality of the 1:08:40.439 --> 1:08:53.679 utilities that we live in. Now, let me go ahead 1:08:53.720 --> 1:08:56.040 and run off some statistics to you. I just want 1:08:56.080 --> 1:08:59.320 to go ahead and add to the dystopia that we 1:08:59.360 --> 1:09:02.000 live in because we need to say, we need to 1:09:02.080 --> 1:09:03.360 change the name of this show too. 1:09:03.479 --> 1:09:04.519 It has happened here. 1:09:05.360 --> 1:09:09.280 I'm going to link all this data to the show notes. 1:09:11.720 --> 1:09:12.559 Now you're ready for this. 1:09:14.600 --> 1:09:19.040 Water and wastewater service privatization follows broader trends. More than 1:09:19.320 --> 1:09:25.640 forty percent of drinking water systems nationwide are private regulated 1:09:26.040 --> 1:09:29.679 utility systems, of the sixty percent of the systems owned 1:09:29.720 --> 1:09:33.880 by local governments. Privatization by contracting of operations management has 1:09:33.920 --> 1:09:37.760 grown rapidly since two thousand and one, nationwide, the privatization 1:09:37.840 --> 1:09:41.839 of water wastewater group by thirteen percent after growing eighty 1:09:42.000 --> 1:09:46.519 four percent over the decade in the nineteen nineties. Right, 1:09:47.560 --> 1:09:49.920 so what that means is almost half of y'all are 1:09:49.960 --> 1:09:53.680 paying a private company for your water. Now, let's make 1:09:53.680 --> 1:09:58.160 some distinctions here between public utilities and private utilities. And 1:09:59.040 --> 1:10:02.040 you know what are we even talking about. So public 1:10:02.160 --> 1:10:05.040 utilities are owned and operated by your local, state, and 1:10:05.120 --> 1:10:09.040 federal governments on behalf of the citizens and customers in 1:10:09.120 --> 1:10:16.240 that area. So a public utility would be your municipal water, sewage, 1:10:16.240 --> 1:10:20.320 sanitation services, like if you have a public electricity providers, government, 1:10:20.479 --> 1:10:26.880 government ran public transit systems, state owned telecommunication companies, public utilities. 1:10:27.560 --> 1:10:30.240 Right now, listen, here's where it's interesting. 1:10:30.360 --> 1:10:34.040 Have to balance serving the public interests while remaining financially 1:10:34.080 --> 1:10:39.839 sustainable since they are not profit driven, any revenue earned 1:10:40.360 --> 1:10:44.040 is invested back into maintaining the infrastructure of the operations, 1:10:44.120 --> 1:10:47.960 which seems like a big old dug. We're not here 1:10:48.000 --> 1:10:52.519 to make money. This is not our money making interest. 1:10:52.640 --> 1:10:57.840 This is living, right, It's a utility. Like It's just 1:10:58.200 --> 1:11:00.200 I'm not trying to make money off it. I'm trying 1:10:59.960 --> 1:11:03.040 to keep the lights on, right, But as we know, 1:11:03.800 --> 1:11:07.400 it costs to do those things, so the temptation becomes 1:11:07.840 --> 1:11:10.559 easy to be like, how do I offload this cost 1:11:11.240 --> 1:11:14.200 right and make sure that this service is there? Because 1:11:14.280 --> 1:11:19.400 as you know, oftentimes public utilities don't be very good. 1:11:20.000 --> 1:11:23.960 You know what I'm saying. Flint still ain't got fresh 1:11:24.000 --> 1:11:28.120 water right now. Altadena is in a situation where they 1:11:28.240 --> 1:11:30.719 was like, look, don't even boil the water, like whatever 1:11:30.800 --> 1:11:34.880 coming out of your tap is just not good. 1:11:35.280 --> 1:11:38.479 Boiling is not good enough, Like do not drink this water? 1:11:39.280 --> 1:11:39.479 Right? 1:11:40.080 --> 1:11:42.720 Is the situation that they in, and it's like we're 1:11:42.680 --> 1:11:45.080 where the money at, Like, how are we going to 1:11:45.160 --> 1:11:45.599 fix this? 1:11:46.160 --> 1:11:46.439 Now? 1:11:46.560 --> 1:11:47.599 That's a public utility. 1:11:47.640 --> 1:11:53.200 Now, private utility is utilities obviously owned and operated by 1:11:53.240 --> 1:11:59.280 private companies. So that would be an investored owned electricity 1:11:59.320 --> 1:12:04.320 company like a private telecommunication, private owned oil gas and pipelines, 1:12:04.360 --> 1:12:08.519 and private owned waste management companies. Now, their goal, because 1:12:08.560 --> 1:12:11.040 it's a company, is still to make profit for their 1:12:11.080 --> 1:12:16.639 shareholders while also delivering reliable service. Now, they argument their 1:12:16.680 --> 1:12:19.719 defense would be if we don't give you a good product, 1:12:20.640 --> 1:12:24.000 we won't have customers, So it is in our best 1:12:24.040 --> 1:12:28.240 interests for our own money to give you a best service. However, 1:12:28.320 --> 1:12:32.200 are you seeing the truck size hole in their logic? Nigga, 1:12:32.280 --> 1:12:35.040 we don't have a choice. Do you have a choice 1:12:35.080 --> 1:12:38.040 as to what water company provides the water to your house? 1:12:38.360 --> 1:12:41.759 Who go run the sewer? I don't have an option anyway. 1:12:42.240 --> 1:12:44.240 So the key differences are very obvious. 1:12:44.400 --> 1:12:44.599 Right. 1:12:45.080 --> 1:12:49.240 One is the ownership and motives. Like publicly owned utilities 1:12:49.400 --> 1:12:53.400 serve the public interests rather than pursue profits. Right, private 1:12:53.439 --> 1:12:56.719 owned utilities are there for their investors in the maximize returns. 1:12:56.920 --> 1:12:57.960 Regulation and pricing. 1:12:58.000 --> 1:13:01.280 Public utilities are regulated by the governm in imported commissions 1:13:01.479 --> 1:13:06.839 that oversee pricing. Private utilities are also regulated, but usually 1:13:06.920 --> 1:13:10.400 more flexible in their rate setting, because what the hell. 1:13:10.280 --> 1:13:10.840 You gonna do? 1:13:11.600 --> 1:13:13.400 Get you a called a water company? Be like, I 1:13:13.400 --> 1:13:15.880 ain't paying this bill. They gonna be like, ooh, no problem. 1:13:16.000 --> 1:13:20.600 Service areas most publics utility service customers are within municipal boundaries. 1:13:20.600 --> 1:13:25.720 Investor owned utilities often are defined by regional monopolies with 1:13:25.840 --> 1:13:28.400 little overlap or competition with customers. 1:13:28.640 --> 1:13:30.360 Listen, if you ever. 1:13:30.240 --> 1:13:34.240 Moved into an apartment and you was like, y'all, I'm 1:13:34.240 --> 1:13:38.400 trying to like, you know, install cable and they was like, 1:13:38.920 --> 1:13:41.240 or your Internet. It was like, oh, it's AT and 1:13:41.280 --> 1:13:43.120 T over here. I was like, oh, but I have Spectrum. 1:13:43.160 --> 1:13:45.040 They're like, Spectrum don't serve this area. 1:13:45.200 --> 1:13:45.519 Nigga. 1:13:45.560 --> 1:13:50.000 It is the Internet, it's the air, it's wires, this polls. 1:13:50.680 --> 1:13:51.519 I'm not allowed to. 1:13:51.840 --> 1:13:55.200 U can't come over here because it's a private company. 1:13:55.640 --> 1:13:59.000 Now I'm in a situation where AT and T knock 1:13:59.040 --> 1:14:01.120 on my door every day being like, yo, we laying 1:14:01.160 --> 1:14:03.880 fiber optics. You know, we lay we laying new pipes 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:05.960 down here, up under your up under your street. 1:14:05.960 --> 1:14:07.560 We can move faster than Spectrum. 1:14:07.840 --> 1:14:10.439 I done ditch them both, and then Spectrum still email 1:14:10.520 --> 1:14:12.599 me every day. Spectrum sent somebody was like, we heard 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:15.439 you left Spectrum. We're trying to figure out why. I'm like, nigga, 1:14:15.439 --> 1:14:18.519 because I don't want to use either of y'all, but 1:14:18.560 --> 1:14:22.160 we're the area you serve. When I first moved into 1:14:22.160 --> 1:14:26.920 the house that I'm in now, like, I made an 1:14:27.720 --> 1:14:31.360 account on Edison and they were like, oh, nigga, Edison 1:14:31.360 --> 1:14:34.519 don't serve here. You had SoCal Gas and I was like, 1:14:34.600 --> 1:14:37.640 who the hell is so cal Gas? They was like 1:14:37.680 --> 1:14:40.439 that's who that's who else gonna give me the gap? 1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:43.000 I don't have no options. Oh, I got to live 1:14:43.040 --> 1:14:47.439 in La. These this is who serves LA infrastructure spending. 1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:51.200 With public utilities, they might find it easier to raise 1:14:51.240 --> 1:14:56.160 funds for long term capital projects and maintain infrastructure proactively, 1:14:56.200 --> 1:15:01.280 while privately owned businesses and utilities answered to share seeking returns, 1:15:01.560 --> 1:15:07.360 which impact investment decisions. Meaning if I'm like, yo, somebody 1:15:07.400 --> 1:15:11.120 gotta clean this sewer pipe because this water ain't good 1:15:11.360 --> 1:15:14.160 in this neighborhood, it would behoove the city of Los 1:15:14.200 --> 1:15:16.320 Angeles to fix this, and it would be easy for 1:15:16.360 --> 1:15:18.479 them because I am a Los Angeles resident. 1:15:18.560 --> 1:15:21.280 This is a public utility. If I have private water, 1:15:21.560 --> 1:15:22.360 they might be like. 1:15:22.680 --> 1:15:27.000 H how much money that's that neighborhood give us? You 1:15:27.000 --> 1:15:29.479 know if we fix the water up there in Palace 1:15:29.600 --> 1:15:32.040 verd aids you know what I'm saying, Like, we got 1:15:32.040 --> 1:15:33.960 to talk to them because they know, I mean, they 1:15:34.080 --> 1:15:36.680 kind of give us the bread, so they're not incentivized 1:15:36.760 --> 1:15:40.160 necessarily to fix my infrastructure. Right, and then the customer 1:15:40.200 --> 1:15:44.559 service focus right. Public utilities often focus more on customer 1:15:44.600 --> 1:15:50.000 satisfaction and addressing community complaints, while private entities have profit motives. 1:15:50.400 --> 1:15:53.240 I mean, I don't know what else I need to 1:15:53.479 --> 1:15:56.840 explain to y'all. Right, now, let me show you how 1:15:56.880 --> 1:16:02.719 this works and what the allure is for a public 1:16:02.800 --> 1:16:05.600 city council to make this decision. Are y'all here to 1:16:05.680 --> 1:16:10.160 more perfect union? It's another one of those podcast folks 1:16:10.600 --> 1:16:12.800 that just got more money than us. They're able to 1:16:12.800 --> 1:16:15.920 produce things that we had bread we would produce it anyway. 1:16:16.360 --> 1:16:20.880 They did one about investor own water companies and how 1:16:20.920 --> 1:16:25.400 they lobby to give them the contract to run their 1:16:25.400 --> 1:16:28.160 sewage and water, right, And it's a super dope stuff. 1:16:28.160 --> 1:16:30.360 It's a super dope study. It's a good, like focused 1:16:30.400 --> 1:16:34.000 study to show like as sort of an example of 1:16:34.120 --> 1:16:36.599 how it could happen anywhere. And they focused this one 1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:42.559 study on this city in Pennsylvania, right. And here's the 1:16:42.600 --> 1:16:45.360 ill part about all of this is that how would 1:16:45.400 --> 1:16:46.439 you know this is happening? 1:16:46.800 --> 1:16:48.960 I mean, are you really looking at the logo on 1:16:49.040 --> 1:16:49.720 your water bill? 1:16:50.280 --> 1:16:50.799 I mean. 1:16:52.280 --> 1:16:55.599 No, you just like looking at the costs, right and 1:16:55.680 --> 1:16:59.240 hoping that it don't be that much. Now again, if 1:16:59.240 --> 1:17:01.200 you've written it, if you rent in an apartment, I 1:17:01.200 --> 1:17:03.639 don't know what utilities you gotta cover, right, let's say 1:17:03.640 --> 1:17:05.280 you are renting in an apartment. You know what I'm saying, 1:17:05.400 --> 1:17:07.479 Like a lot of times, Joe utilities, It's like that's 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:09.720 like they cover water and gas, you cover electricity and 1:17:09.720 --> 1:17:12.679 internet and then whatever it is. I'm not thinking about 1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:16.160 who the company is. I'm just like paying the bill. 1:17:16.680 --> 1:17:19.599 But if one day your bill triple, I mean, who 1:17:19.640 --> 1:17:23.160 do you call you? Like, I haven't used more water. 1:17:24.240 --> 1:17:27.320 I don't understand why it costs more. Now you might 1:17:27.360 --> 1:17:29.040 call the city the city like, oh, we don't even 1:17:29.080 --> 1:17:30.000 run the water no more. 1:17:30.560 --> 1:17:31.880 And that's exactly what happened. 1:17:31.920 --> 1:17:35.559 So in twenty twenty in New Garden, Pennsylvania, they sold 1:17:35.600 --> 1:17:42.160 their water to get this Agua, Pennsylvania Jerks, a subsidiary 1:17:42.400 --> 1:17:45.800 of Essential Utilities, they sold. 1:17:45.560 --> 1:17:48.480 They water for thirty million dollars. 1:17:48.520 --> 1:17:50.920 And just for you to get a grasp on how 1:17:51.000 --> 1:17:52.840 much money can be made by doing this. If you 1:17:52.920 --> 1:17:56.439 a company, that company made two point zero five billion 1:17:56.520 --> 1:17:59.479 dollars in twenty twenty three. And essentially, if you the city, 1:17:59.520 --> 1:18:02.599 the city runs up. Are you having all kinds of problems? 1:18:02.640 --> 1:18:04.840 You got people not paying bills on time, you got 1:18:04.880 --> 1:18:06.679 all these different you know, all this stuff you gotta 1:18:06.720 --> 1:18:07.360 hire the workers. 1:18:07.360 --> 1:18:08.479 You gotta do all this stuff. 1:18:08.680 --> 1:18:12.439 And this company runs up and was like, yo, we'll 1:18:12.479 --> 1:18:14.240 take all this off your hands. Not only will we 1:18:14.240 --> 1:18:16.160 take it off your hands, we'll pay you for it. 1:18:16.520 --> 1:18:19.280 So to the city and they saying, look, I do 1:18:19.320 --> 1:18:21.200 a better job than y'all do. Why because this is 1:18:21.240 --> 1:18:23.040 all we do. You got all this other stuff you 1:18:23.080 --> 1:18:24.800 gotta take care of. We gonna only take care of 1:18:24.800 --> 1:18:27.360 the water. Look, we'll give you thirty million dollars for it. 1:18:28.040 --> 1:18:30.840 That's free money. And you ain't got to worry about it. 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:33.240 All you gotta do when people call complaining about they 1:18:33.280 --> 1:18:36.120 water is just say please hold and transferred to us. 1:18:36.200 --> 1:18:38.400 You ain't got nothing to worry about it. And the 1:18:38.439 --> 1:18:42.040 city say, okay, that sounds good. Now are you going 1:18:42.720 --> 1:18:45.720 you're gonna change your prices? It's like, why would we 1:18:45.800 --> 1:18:48.080 change our prices. We won't need to change our price. 1:18:48.160 --> 1:18:50.280 Matter of fact, we can probably charge less because we 1:18:50.280 --> 1:18:52.880 ain't got the same things y'all got, well, at least 1:18:52.880 --> 1:18:55.400 for the first few years. Kind of like the phone 1:18:55.400 --> 1:18:57.200 bill when they like, oh, you sign up for this 1:18:57.280 --> 1:18:59.360 much money a month for the first three months. Are 1:18:59.439 --> 1:19:02.200 your cable for the first first two years, and then 1:19:02.479 --> 1:19:04.559 one day, your cable bill come in and it's just 1:19:04.680 --> 1:19:06.960 psycho and you like, I don't know why to hell 1:19:07.040 --> 1:19:09.280 this costs so much more. And they're like, oh, yeah, 1:19:09.360 --> 1:19:11.639 the contract was for this long and then after that 1:19:12.200 --> 1:19:15.040 it went back to regular price. That's essentially what's happening. 1:19:15.080 --> 1:19:16.840 That's why I was like, if your water bill go crazy, 1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:18.479 who you're gonna call? Like what you gonna say? 1:19:18.520 --> 1:19:18.600 Like? 1:19:18.800 --> 1:19:20.040 Uh? 1:19:20.160 --> 1:19:22.000 They could just be like, yeah, it just costs more now. 1:19:22.920 --> 1:19:25.000 So for the city, the city is like, look, it's 1:19:25.000 --> 1:19:28.080 free money. We could put this money into other stuff 1:19:28.080 --> 1:19:30.479 we've been trying to work on, and y'all gonna get 1:19:30.720 --> 1:19:33.559 a better situation. And again, no one looks at the 1:19:33.600 --> 1:19:38.439 logo on their bill. So the utilities industries, right a 1:19:38.439 --> 1:19:41.639 few years ago, I think in twenty sixteen, got this 1:19:41.800 --> 1:19:44.559 law passed that made cities want to sell it. It's 1:19:44.600 --> 1:19:47.840 called the fair market Value laws. One example is in 1:19:47.880 --> 1:19:51.840 Pennsylvania was Act twelve, which was in twenty sixteen. And 1:19:52.840 --> 1:19:56.240 the concern is cities feel like they can't keep up 1:19:56.280 --> 1:20:00.800 with dunt dunt dun environmental laws and keep up with 1:20:00.880 --> 1:20:04.679 city growth. Cities are growing so fast, so many people 1:20:04.720 --> 1:20:08.160 are moving in, We're destroying the Earth at a particular 1:20:08.880 --> 1:20:14.720 exponential rate, and the government wants us to not destroy 1:20:14.840 --> 1:20:15.560 the planet. 1:20:16.200 --> 1:20:18.719 Ho home. So I got all. 1:20:18.640 --> 1:20:21.240 These laws I got we just you know, he's a 1:20:21.240 --> 1:20:22.200 hat of the money for it. 1:20:22.840 --> 1:20:25.960 He's out of the money for it at the time. 1:20:27.800 --> 1:20:32.280 So when you're evaluating how much this utility would be worth, 1:20:32.560 --> 1:20:36.400 you can include, because of Act twelve in Pennsylvania, the 1:20:36.479 --> 1:20:41.839 median income, the expected repairs and future revenue, which means 1:20:41.960 --> 1:20:47.840 it makes that water worth way much more. Right, And 1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:50.320 a lot of times when you selling this, when you 1:20:50.479 --> 1:20:55.120 selling this disutility, the price tag what these people be 1:20:55.200 --> 1:21:00.920 paying you be six times the city budget. 1:21:01.120 --> 1:21:03.960 So think about this. I'm just trying to make this 1:21:04.040 --> 1:21:04.640 real for you. 1:21:05.439 --> 1:21:08.599 Let's just say somebody comes in and says I'll buy 1:21:08.640 --> 1:21:13.759 your car. You say, word for how much? And they say, 1:21:13.920 --> 1:21:17.280 I tell you what, I'll pay you your year's salary 1:21:17.479 --> 1:21:21.760 for this car. The fam you gonna add I add 1:21:21.760 --> 1:21:23.920 another car in there for that. You know what I'm saying, Hey, 1:21:24.560 --> 1:21:27.960 you know, throw throwing another six months for the stalary. 1:21:28.000 --> 1:21:30.280 I'll make you some dinner. Like it's it's kind of 1:21:30.280 --> 1:21:34.479 a no brainer. You like, you our entire year's budget 1:21:35.920 --> 1:21:45.320 just for the water. No brainer, But who pays the company? Nigga, 1:21:45.360 --> 1:21:49.439 you you paying the company? What do I mean by that? 1:21:49.520 --> 1:21:51.920 The company cuts cuts the city at check. Now the 1:21:51.920 --> 1:21:53.800 company gotta make their money back. How they make their 1:21:53.880 --> 1:21:55.320 money back? Nigga, your bills? 1:21:56.439 --> 1:21:57.200 What is you like? 1:21:57.280 --> 1:21:59.559 What is you saying? Of course they gonna make their 1:21:59.560 --> 1:22:00.360 money back now. 1:22:00.520 --> 1:22:05.360 Again, they're incentivized to make that money back as fast 1:22:05.360 --> 1:22:07.519 as possible, which means they're not going to spend more. 1:22:07.640 --> 1:22:10.080 They hadn't already spend thirty million dollars to get the thing. 1:22:11.240 --> 1:22:13.679 But then they'll promise to like fix their systems, their 1:22:13.720 --> 1:22:17.720 promise like you sold the city saying I'm gonna be 1:22:17.800 --> 1:22:19.920 able to spend some time to upgrade and do all 1:22:19.920 --> 1:22:22.879 this difference. And they don't have a upgrade nothing, because 1:22:22.960 --> 1:22:24.200 it's kind of a no brainer. 1:22:24.280 --> 1:22:25.800 This is easy money to them. 1:22:26.280 --> 1:22:29.519 In Philly, there's this area called the Chester Water Authority 1:22:29.640 --> 1:22:33.200 that went straight up bankrupt. So like the city's water 1:22:33.240 --> 1:22:35.120 authority just went bankrupt. So they was like, yo, we 1:22:35.160 --> 1:22:37.760 gotta sell it. They got offered four hundred and ten 1:22:37.840 --> 1:22:42.960 million dollars. Well the city did, and the city says, nigga, 1:22:43.040 --> 1:22:45.960 Chester Water Authority, you ain't got the right to sell 1:22:46.520 --> 1:22:49.479 because you are not a company. You are part of 1:22:49.800 --> 1:22:54.280 the City of Philadelphia. Chester Water Authority is like, my jig, 1:22:54.760 --> 1:22:56.400 I mean, what the hell you want us to do? 1:22:57.400 --> 1:22:59.960 How does this stuff become legal? Well, like saying, way 1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:02.879 any other stick come legal? They just you lobby candidates 1:23:02.920 --> 1:23:05.360 all the time. And the only way to stop this 1:23:05.720 --> 1:23:08.080 is you got to sign up to some sort of 1:23:08.120 --> 1:23:10.720 city council news led us something to be able to 1:23:10.800 --> 1:23:16.160 walk up in there and protest the shit. Nigga, good luck. 1:23:16.960 --> 1:23:30.400 Now let's talk about specifically California. All right, I bring 1:23:30.479 --> 1:23:33.840 up specifically California because of all this stuff about the fire, 1:23:33.920 --> 1:23:39.400 hydrants and water issues that we had recently. Remember that 1:23:40.040 --> 1:23:43.800 the water that water's Los Angeles comes from the north right, 1:23:43.920 --> 1:23:49.120 It comes from right up under Sacramento through the California 1:23:49.200 --> 1:23:52.360 Aqueduct that was put together by this man named maulhulland 1:23:52.600 --> 1:23:56.599 so the mulhulland passed mulhulland drive that was all based 1:23:56.600 --> 1:23:59.679 on this man that made Los Angeles be possible because 1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:03.800 he just went up there just like any other colonizing 1:24:03.960 --> 1:24:08.200 was like a buy your water, and they was like 1:24:08.400 --> 1:24:09.320 water ain't for sale. 1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:11.040 He was like, uh, yeah it is. 1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:13.559 And went over their heads and bought the water, built 1:24:13.600 --> 1:24:16.160 a whole Basically like when you was a kid at 1:24:16.200 --> 1:24:19.040 the beach and you dig a little thing in the 1:24:19.080 --> 1:24:21.479 sand to make the water go a certain way. That's 1:24:21.520 --> 1:24:23.560 basically what he did through the middle of California to 1:24:23.600 --> 1:24:26.639 bring water to Los Angeles. Now, Los Angeles did have 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:29.719 one river, that was the San Gabril River that starts 1:24:29.720 --> 1:24:33.000 in the top of the San Gabriel Foothills and comes 1:24:33.000 --> 1:24:35.519 into what we call the La River, which is paved, 1:24:35.640 --> 1:24:38.519 which there is a movement to unpave that because that 1:24:38.520 --> 1:24:40.759 would probably help us with a lot of climate issues. 1:24:40.800 --> 1:24:44.200 But either way, that was an actual river. It was 1:24:44.400 --> 1:24:46.559 enough to support the native tribes here because it wasn't 1:24:46.600 --> 1:24:48.680 that many people here and they had sense enough to 1:24:48.720 --> 1:24:52.240 not plants that need the water that they ain't got. 1:24:52.520 --> 1:24:54.200 They wasn't trying to build a city in the area. 1:24:54.240 --> 1:24:56.160 They ain't supposed to be a city. Nigga, Have you 1:24:56.240 --> 1:24:58.960 ever been to Las Vegas. There should not be a 1:24:58.960 --> 1:25:02.439 city there. Y'all ever been to the Inland Empire? There 1:25:02.479 --> 1:25:05.160 should not be that many humans there. According to the Earth, 1:25:05.360 --> 1:25:09.719 unless you pump water over there. The natives were fine 1:25:10.479 --> 1:25:13.400 the indigenous communities figured out how to live in the 1:25:13.439 --> 1:25:18.400 shit for thousands of years, but you know, we had 1:25:18.439 --> 1:25:22.280 to do our thing. Now some vocabulary. California got a 1:25:22.320 --> 1:25:25.120 thing called senior water rights, which means whoever got there 1:25:25.200 --> 1:25:28.280 first gets the water, Like basically, it's my land, di 1:25:28.400 --> 1:25:31.880 licted right. But they only got them rights when it 1:25:31.920 --> 1:25:33.720 started from the gold Rush. So they was like, well, 1:25:33.760 --> 1:25:35.679 who was there first? Was this white man? 1:25:35.760 --> 1:25:38.479 Not the people that already lived there, but these white men. 1:25:38.600 --> 1:25:41.479 So if you happen to have a farm, you know 1:25:41.640 --> 1:25:44.880 up near North Fresno, if your family been there longer 1:25:44.920 --> 1:25:48.439 than somebody else's family, then that water is yours, right, 1:25:48.600 --> 1:25:50.639 that's senior water rights. 1:25:51.080 --> 1:25:51.719 And then there's. 1:25:51.600 --> 1:25:54.200 Junior water rights, which is like the second person. So 1:25:54.240 --> 1:25:58.400 whatever water you don't use, they get to use right now. 1:25:58.439 --> 1:26:02.880 Why that is specifically important for California, especially the Central Valley, 1:26:03.000 --> 1:26:07.360 is because Cali provides everybody's produce. I mean, for the 1:26:07.360 --> 1:26:11.920 rest of the country, the vast majority of the fruits, vegetables, nuts, 1:26:11.920 --> 1:26:14.120 and lagoons that you eat come from California. 1:26:14.600 --> 1:26:17.440 We gotta have water. It would be hoof. 1:26:17.360 --> 1:26:19.960 Of rest of America to make sure that Cali got water. 1:26:20.720 --> 1:26:23.000 So those are water rights. Now, the water that gets 1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:28.880 pumped down into our fire hydrants, here's the situation like 1:26:28.920 --> 1:26:30.599 that had to do a water pressure. Now you could 1:26:30.640 --> 1:26:33.400 refer to the block is literally hot episode where I 1:26:33.439 --> 1:26:35.960 go into detail as to what happened with that. But 1:26:36.479 --> 1:26:40.040 there was this whole thing about the water being owned 1:26:40.439 --> 1:26:44.400 by some billionaires. Now I would love to run with 1:26:44.439 --> 1:26:46.559 that one, but the fact is, that's just not true. 1:26:46.640 --> 1:26:48.880 It's not that simple. Let me go ahead in fact 1:26:48.960 --> 1:26:49.280 check that. 1:26:49.960 --> 1:26:53.439 So the wonderful code which is who they were talking about, 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:57.000 it's Steward and Linda Resnik. They do have a majority 1:26:57.040 --> 1:27:01.519 steak in a water bank that can store up to 1:27:01.640 --> 1:27:05.960 one point five million acres right, which is close to 1:27:06.000 --> 1:27:09.280 five hundred billion gallons of water. But the realness is 1:27:09.320 --> 1:27:15.000 that's like a tiny fraction of the water capacity of California. 1:27:15.120 --> 1:27:18.519 California's groundwater basins combined can hold more than five hundred 1:27:18.520 --> 1:27:21.639 and sixty six times as much water, with a storage 1:27:21.640 --> 1:27:25.200 capacity of eight hundred and fifty million to one point 1:27:25.280 --> 1:27:29.920 three billion acres of feet across the California Department of 1:27:29.960 --> 1:27:34.799 Water Sources. The state's surface resources hold more than forty 1:27:34.840 --> 1:27:40.200 million acres On top of that. So there's two types 1:27:40.200 --> 1:27:42.720 of water here. There's surface water and there's groundwater. Groundwater 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:44.760 obviously that's stuff that you would dig in for a well, 1:27:44.840 --> 1:27:45.840 that's a whole other thing. 1:27:46.520 --> 1:27:47.880 Right now. 1:27:48.280 --> 1:27:53.320 It is true this family owns brands is like wonderful pistachios, 1:27:53.439 --> 1:27:59.200 Fiji water wonderful, land halos, wonderful halos, and palm wonderful 1:27:59.760 --> 1:28:02.040 and that's a you know, I don't know if you're 1:28:02.040 --> 1:28:04.960 in a pomegranate juice, but if that's your thing. But anyway, 1:28:05.240 --> 1:28:08.320 let me quote from politiffect. The water the Resinics use 1:28:08.960 --> 1:28:12.320 gets stored underground initially before the water that is delivered 1:28:12.320 --> 1:28:17.080 to the roots of Resinic's pistachios, almonds, pomegranate orchards. Specifically, 1:28:17.080 --> 1:28:21.000 it's stored in the Kerrent Water Bank that is the 1:28:21.000 --> 1:28:24.320 most valuable water resource in the region and critical to 1:28:24.400 --> 1:28:28.160 America's fresh flood supplies. The water bank, which is watch 1:28:28.200 --> 1:28:32.080 This the bank itself a public private partnership with the 1:28:32.120 --> 1:28:35.839 Resnic's owned fifty seven percent of the steak is thirty 1:28:35.840 --> 1:28:40.800 two square mile recharge basin, which looks like floodlands from 1:28:40.880 --> 1:28:44.559 the street that essentially stores again the one point five 1:28:44.600 --> 1:28:47.280 million acre feet of water five hundred billion gallons. The 1:28:47.360 --> 1:28:50.920 resins storage arrangement is very controversial. 1:28:51.280 --> 1:28:51.479 Right. 1:28:51.640 --> 1:28:55.000 They've been banking on the water by using public and 1:28:55.080 --> 1:28:58.880 private dollars to corral public resource. Because of their water 1:28:59.000 --> 1:29:03.960 rights and their wealth, they are insulating themselves from this 1:29:04.080 --> 1:29:08.439 type of drought, which, of course that's what rich do, right. 1:29:09.040 --> 1:29:11.799 This is what Chas Miller says, the director of Environmental 1:29:11.840 --> 1:29:16.479 Analysis at Pomona College. Private capital has no problem with 1:29:16.600 --> 1:29:19.760 the drought, while the rest of us are looking at 1:29:19.800 --> 1:29:26.280 deep social divides. Somebody bought the water, but water isn't 1:29:26.280 --> 1:29:28.839 the only thing, like I said, as somebody else owes, 1:29:29.200 --> 1:29:34.360 you know. According to Publicpower dot Org, utilities that were 1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:37.559 sold since nineteen eighty have ranged dramatically in size. Although 1:29:37.600 --> 1:29:39.840 many had a small number of customers at the time 1:29:39.960 --> 1:29:43.200 of the sale, with the median of fewer than six 1:29:43.280 --> 1:29:47.479 hundred customers, less than thirty percent of utilities sold had 1:29:47.600 --> 1:29:50.599 more than a thousand customers at the time of sale. Right, 1:29:51.000 --> 1:29:54.599 so back then it was a small amount of people. 1:29:54.880 --> 1:29:55.040 Right. 1:29:55.479 --> 1:30:00.519 Watch this, Only five public power utilities with ten thousand 1:30:00.640 --> 1:30:03.960 or more customers have sold, right, and four of those 1:30:04.360 --> 1:30:10.880 five sales occurred were approved since twenty fifteen. Now the 1:30:11.080 --> 1:30:16.400 largest sale of such electric department was the city of Murphysboro, Tennessee, 1:30:16.439 --> 1:30:20.160 which had about sixty eight thousand customers and when it 1:30:20.320 --> 1:30:24.759 sold to the Middle Tennessee Electric Membership Cooperative in twenty twenty. 1:30:24.800 --> 1:30:30.000 Other utilities substantial size include those serving the cities of 1:30:30.160 --> 1:30:35.639 Vero Beach, Anchorage, Alaska, Eagle Mountain, Utah, and all together 1:30:35.760 --> 1:30:39.240 we are talking about eight hundred thousand citizens today have 1:30:39.400 --> 1:30:44.639 their electricity. Private sales have occurred in twenty six states, 1:30:45.920 --> 1:30:51.040 and almost all of Kansas was sold, and it was 1:30:51.080 --> 1:30:55.640 sold in the nineteen eighties. Now, why even make an 1:30:55.680 --> 1:30:59.240 episode on this? And it's because of this last thing. 1:31:00.000 --> 1:31:05.200 Corporate cities. Now, of course, company towns is as old 1:31:05.360 --> 1:31:07.920 as companies are. You know, you had trained things and 1:31:07.960 --> 1:31:10.280 stuff like that, you know, where like a company moves 1:31:10.320 --> 1:31:12.800 in and it just it just made sense for the 1:31:12.840 --> 1:31:17.280 company to make sure that they were providing housing and 1:31:17.880 --> 1:31:21.200 you know, saloons and stuff like that for the people 1:31:21.240 --> 1:31:22.960 that you know, lived. 1:31:22.760 --> 1:31:24.519 In their area. It just made sense. 1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:26.760 That was just it was just good business, right, you 1:31:26.800 --> 1:31:30.320 wanted to attract more people to stay in this area. 1:31:30.840 --> 1:31:34.120 If you've ever been in northwest Arkansas, city called Bentonville. 1:31:34.680 --> 1:31:37.240 It's actually very dope to be in, but it is 1:31:37.280 --> 1:31:40.439 the headquarters for Walmart. So if you're gonna work in 1:31:40.479 --> 1:31:42.560 corporate Walmart, you gotta live in Bentonville. 1:31:42.960 --> 1:31:46.120 Now, the city's dope is that. 1:31:46.080 --> 1:31:50.479 A corporate town, not in what I'm talking about. It 1:31:50.560 --> 1:31:53.360 is a company that said we're gonna dump a kajillion 1:31:53.439 --> 1:31:56.639 dollars to make this city as dope as possible. That's 1:31:56.640 --> 1:32:00.919 one thing I am talking about, a brand duh making 1:32:01.000 --> 1:32:01.559 a city. 1:32:02.280 --> 1:32:03.800 I wish I was making this up. 1:32:04.640 --> 1:32:07.639 Google got One is working on a community called North 1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:12.360 Bay Shore in Mountain View, California that'll have seven thousand 1:32:12.400 --> 1:32:16.760 housing units, and another called Middlefield Park that'll have two 1:32:16.840 --> 1:32:23.720 thousand units. Meta is building Willow Village dubbed Zucktown in 1:32:23.920 --> 1:32:28.519 Menlo Park, California, and they'll have seventeen hundred housing units, 1:32:28.560 --> 1:32:32.600 a hotel, and plenty of retail. Disney is developing a 1:32:32.720 --> 1:32:38.719 fourteen hundred thousand units across eighty acres in Kissamee, Florida, 1:32:39.640 --> 1:32:43.960 right near Walt Disney World. Elon Musk is building his 1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:49.680 city called in snail Brook outside of Austin, Texas for 1:32:49.800 --> 1:32:55.439 employees of his constellations of startups, including SpaceX, Tesla, and Boeing, 1:32:56.280 --> 1:33:02.720 but the most ambitious is California Forever. It's supposed to 1:33:02.720 --> 1:33:05.760 be Silicon Valley two point zero. It's this group ran 1:33:05.840 --> 1:33:09.840 by the former Golden Sacks trader Jane Samark and is 1:33:09.960 --> 1:33:13.200 backed by investors like the Lincoln co founder Reed hofsman 1:33:13.600 --> 1:33:18.080 Chris Dixon, and this philanthropist name Loreene Powell. And it 1:33:18.160 --> 1:33:21.080 plans to create this new city in Solano County, sixty 1:33:21.120 --> 1:33:24.320 miles north of San Bernardino, with tens of thousands of homes, 1:33:24.680 --> 1:33:29.120 large solar energy orchards, with a million new trees, and 1:33:29.200 --> 1:33:33.040 one hundred thousand acres of new park space. And they 1:33:33.080 --> 1:33:36.400 hope to build this community will generate thousands of jobs 1:33:36.439 --> 1:33:40.280 in a wockable Paris or West village in New York. 1:33:40.600 --> 1:33:42.280 And there was this. 1:33:42.400 --> 1:33:47.120 Reporting of this unknown group that was coming up in 1:33:47.240 --> 1:33:52.000 just like just buying farmland. It was called Flannery Associates, 1:33:52.040 --> 1:33:54.840 And for years nobody had any idea who these people were. 1:33:55.200 --> 1:33:59.800 They purchased fifty two thousand acres, spent eight hundred million, 1:34:01.000 --> 1:34:03.000 paying five times a market rate, and. 1:34:03.000 --> 1:34:03.920 Nobody knew who they were. 1:34:04.479 --> 1:34:08.160 It's a little po dunk town people selling their little farms. 1:34:08.680 --> 1:34:11.960 It's because these billionaires is building a city. 1:34:12.640 --> 1:34:12.880 Now. 1:34:12.920 --> 1:34:17.120 I am telling you all this ultimately to introduce you 1:34:17.160 --> 1:34:21.120 to Curtis Yarvin, who is probably going to be a 1:34:21.520 --> 1:34:26.639 future bastard pod person or either way, one of these 1:34:26.640 --> 1:34:29.760 shows is gonna cover this man, because this man, in 1:34:29.800 --> 1:34:36.080 a lot of ways, is the patient zero, the contagion 1:34:36.200 --> 1:34:42.920 number one of these new Republicans, this new conservatism, this 1:34:43.040 --> 1:34:45.559 new extremist that's been kind of been trying to. 1:34:45.520 --> 1:34:47.880 Tell everybody, here's why it's so poisonous. 1:34:47.920 --> 1:34:52.599 He's like, because not only is democracy dead, democracy being dead, 1:34:53.320 --> 1:34:56.480 and whatever you think you have now ain't a democracy, 1:34:56.800 --> 1:34:59.639 to which all of us would be like, nigga, Yes, 1:35:00.400 --> 1:35:02.280 That's why it's so dangerous, because I'd be like yeah. 1:35:02.280 --> 1:35:04.559 He's like, the system's failing you, and I'm like amen. 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:10.160 So his solution is a monarchy, but. 1:35:10.160 --> 1:35:12.000 He mean a monarchy like a CEO. 1:35:13.120 --> 1:35:15.840 So this man says if the country was ran like 1:35:15.880 --> 1:35:19.160 a tech company, everything would be cool, we would all 1:35:19.200 --> 1:35:23.639 be better. And his example of that is he would say, Okay, 1:35:24.080 --> 1:35:25.560 look at that laptop you use it. 1:35:26.000 --> 1:35:27.200 Look at that phone you got. 1:35:27.720 --> 1:35:29.559 Do you think you would have got to that phone 1:35:29.600 --> 1:35:32.240 to that laptop, the quality of that laptop you had, 1:35:32.800 --> 1:35:35.880 if it was done by the City of California's Tech 1:35:36.000 --> 1:35:41.120 Municipal Department. He's like, nigga, no, you got that because 1:35:41.200 --> 1:35:43.559 of Steve Jobs. That's why you got that phone, because 1:35:43.600 --> 1:35:45.240 that nigga was like, Look, this is what we're doing. 1:35:45.280 --> 1:35:47.360 This is how we're doing it. He would argue that 1:35:48.680 --> 1:35:51.400 Roosevelt over the New Deal. He was a tech bro. 1:35:51.840 --> 1:35:54.120 He ran his mug like a tech startup. He was like, look, nigga, 1:35:54.120 --> 1:35:55.880 this is what we're doing. We building freeways. 1:35:56.160 --> 1:35:57.879 I don't care what y'all say. We building freeways. 1:35:57.920 --> 1:36:02.160 He's like, if the country ran like a tech company, 1:36:02.920 --> 1:36:05.280 then maybe this country would work better. And he's like, 1:36:05.360 --> 1:36:08.599 in newsflash, whatever the hell you think you got now 1:36:09.439 --> 1:36:12.200 ain't working anyway. We might as well just lean into it. 1:36:13.080 --> 1:36:19.080 All I'm saying is I don't know what I'm saying, fam, 1:36:19.160 --> 1:36:22.320 it could happen here. So this is your favorite cousin 1:36:22.600 --> 1:36:27.160 swooping in and signing off ruining another thing for you. 1:36:27.880 --> 1:36:29.759 Don't catch me at the hood of politics, Pop. 1:36:51.000 --> 1:36:53.519 This is it could happen here. A show about things 1:36:53.560 --> 1:36:56.559 falling apart, and this episode is about the people who 1:36:56.560 --> 1:37:00.759 want to make it being the United States fall apart faster, 1:37:01.200 --> 1:37:04.000 allowing them to install a white supremacist ethno state, though 1:37:04.000 --> 1:37:06.919 it kind of feels like that's pretty much already happening. 1:37:07.479 --> 1:37:09.960 This episode is also about the people in government who 1:37:10.000 --> 1:37:13.439 categorize and classify want to be terrorists, who want the 1:37:13.439 --> 1:37:17.760 country to collapse faster, and what these changes in categorization 1:37:17.960 --> 1:37:20.720 methods can tell us about the future of the country. 1:37:21.439 --> 1:37:25.040 I'm Garrison Davison today I'm joined by a very special guest, 1:37:25.439 --> 1:37:29.440 philosophing comedian Michael Burns of the YouTube channel Michael o'burns 1:37:29.439 --> 1:37:33.479 and formerly wiscrack rip. How you doing. 1:37:34.160 --> 1:37:37.439 Pretty good, you know, besides living in the world that 1:37:37.520 --> 1:37:41.479 you just described past that everything's going great. 1:37:41.880 --> 1:37:46.879 Yeah, that's kind of been my mood the past three months, 1:37:47.080 --> 1:37:52.160 maybe longer. There's a tad, a tad like liminality. But 1:37:52.240 --> 1:37:54.000 I don't know if that's just like living in denial 1:37:54.080 --> 1:37:56.679 and trying to cope. But hey, you know what's wrong 1:37:56.720 --> 1:37:58.000 with a little bit of coping. 1:37:58.400 --> 1:38:01.680 Especially if it helps one simple survive these times. So, 1:38:01.800 --> 1:38:05.120 you know, I encourage a healthy dose of of coping 1:38:05.240 --> 1:38:08.280 or sort of a you know, mental bifurcation. If that's 1:38:08.280 --> 1:38:09.800 what we need to do to get up in the 1:38:09.840 --> 1:38:11.280 morning and get through it all. Yeah. 1:38:11.800 --> 1:38:14.800 Now, unfortunately, this episode that I have prepared today is 1:38:15.000 --> 1:38:18.200 uh not a super cheery one for you, Michael. Uh, 1:38:19.160 --> 1:38:21.920 which is which is maybe kind of kind of appropriate 1:38:22.200 --> 1:38:24.759 because the reason why I have you on this episode 1:38:24.760 --> 1:38:27.639 today is because the FBI and the Department of Justice 1:38:27.680 --> 1:38:32.479 have come up with a new terrorism classification acronym which 1:38:32.720 --> 1:38:38.040 name drops the internet's favorite and sometimes least favorite philosophy, nihilism. 1:38:38.360 --> 1:38:43.559 They're they're calling these guys nihilistic violent extremists. Oh boy, 1:38:44.960 --> 1:38:46.920 we will, we will get into this. Do you want 1:38:46.920 --> 1:38:50.560 to give like a philosophy one oh one definition of nihilism? 1:38:50.760 --> 1:38:55.760 A super well known and universally agreed upon term that 1:38:55.800 --> 1:38:57.800 always means the same thing to everybody. 1:38:58.439 --> 1:39:01.920 So yeah, it's not confusing at all. And yeah, I 1:39:01.920 --> 1:39:04.200 mean I think the root of it, at least in 1:39:04.240 --> 1:39:07.280 like a modern philosophical sense, is Nietzsche. At least that's 1:39:07.280 --> 1:39:10.840 a common reference point. And when Nietzsche is talking about nihilism, 1:39:11.439 --> 1:39:13.439 especially in a book like The Genealogy of Morality a 1:39:13.479 --> 1:39:16.600 lot of other places, he is making the argument that 1:39:16.760 --> 1:39:21.599 sort of Christian European culture, and particularly a Christian European 1:39:21.640 --> 1:39:27.000 culture influenced by idealist philosophy, creates nihilism. The reason he 1:39:27.040 --> 1:39:30.639 says it creates nihilism is because people care more about 1:39:31.120 --> 1:39:33.639 Heaven than they do about earth. They care more about 1:39:34.320 --> 1:39:36.519 the life they're going to have an eternity than the 1:39:36.560 --> 1:39:38.680 life they have in the here and now. So for him, 1:39:38.720 --> 1:39:42.680 it's like this devaluement of life that happens if your Christianity. 1:39:42.800 --> 1:39:46.679 More broadly speaking, nihilism has a I guess more positive usage, 1:39:47.040 --> 1:39:51.120 which is the you know, disbelief in the inherent or 1:39:51.240 --> 1:39:54.400 necessary meaning in an overarching. 1:39:53.760 --> 1:39:55.840 System, like in like the existential sense. 1:39:56.120 --> 1:39:58.560 Yeah, so you kind of have this this distinction, and 1:39:59.040 --> 1:40:02.080 some people use of positive and negative nihilism, and to 1:40:02.080 --> 1:40:05.479 be really crass and simple here, negative nihilism is nothing 1:40:05.520 --> 1:40:07.920 means anything, So I don't give a shit. I'm just 1:40:07.960 --> 1:40:11.719 gonna hang out and do whatever. Positive nihilism is there's 1:40:11.720 --> 1:40:13.400 no inherent meaning in reality. 1:40:13.800 --> 1:40:14.400 But cool. 1:40:14.840 --> 1:40:18.479 Now, me and the homies can construct meaning as we 1:40:18.520 --> 1:40:20.800 see fit, which is more like the existentialist response. We're 1:40:20.800 --> 1:40:24.519 going to create meaning where maybe there wasn't natural meaning 1:40:24.680 --> 1:40:27.840 in this like old school platonic or Christian sense. 1:40:28.120 --> 1:40:31.320 And I'm not sure how much the FBI agents who 1:40:31.320 --> 1:40:35.320 are doing these federal court filings have read Nietzsche or 1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:40.080 the French existentialists and instead are probably using a colloquial 1:40:40.240 --> 1:40:44.920 definition of nihilism, right this like no nothing matters, you know, 1:40:44.960 --> 1:40:49.719 this like apathetic postmodernist like idea to go a little 1:40:49.760 --> 1:40:51.680 Jordan Petersony, right, yeah, I. 1:40:51.600 --> 1:40:53.200 Mean I think there's the sense in which it is 1:40:53.240 --> 1:40:57.320 the kind of weird Jordan Petersony alt right philosophy version 1:40:57.360 --> 1:41:01.160 of nihilism, which just means like people that think the 1:41:01.240 --> 1:41:04.320 dominance of the West is bad. And it also reeks 1:41:04.360 --> 1:41:08.360 a little bit of like big Lebowski nihilism for totally 1:41:08.600 --> 1:41:11.600 you know. And of course in that movie, nihilism is 1:41:11.600 --> 1:41:16.080 represented by a crew of I think Austrian techno producers 1:41:16.720 --> 1:41:19.679 called Autobond, who are also nihilists, and they say throughout 1:41:19.720 --> 1:41:21.799 the film like we are nihilists, we believe in nothing, 1:41:22.439 --> 1:41:24.120 which is a really and obviously the Coen Brothers made 1:41:24.120 --> 1:41:25.960 that film, at least one of them was a philosophy major, 1:41:25.960 --> 1:41:27.680 so they know what they're doing. That's kind of the 1:41:27.720 --> 1:41:31.000 really basic, not good enough version of this thing that 1:41:31.000 --> 1:41:33.360 it seems like the FBI is operating with like people 1:41:33.439 --> 1:41:38.120 who don't believe in the goodness of the Western project. 1:41:38.439 --> 1:41:41.000 Correct, and that's what they're really honing in on. I 1:41:41.000 --> 1:41:45.960 will read an expanded definition of nihilistic violent extremism. This 1:41:45.760 --> 1:41:48.840 is from a Federal court filing dated March eighteenth, twenty 1:41:48.880 --> 1:41:52.680 twenty five. Nihilist violent extremists are individuals who engage in 1:41:52.720 --> 1:41:55.800 criminal conduct within the United States and abroad in furtherance 1:41:55.800 --> 1:41:59.200 of political, social, religious goals that derive primarily from a 1:41:59.240 --> 1:42:01.439 hatred of societ at large and a desire to bring 1:42:01.479 --> 1:42:06.200 about its collapse by sowing indiscriminate chaos, destruction, and social instability. 1:42:06.880 --> 1:42:09.360 Nihlis violent extremists work individually or as a part of 1:42:09.360 --> 1:42:13.439 a network with these goals of destroying civilized society through 1:42:13.439 --> 1:42:19.960 the corruption and exploitation of vulnerable populations, which often include miners. Now, 1:42:20.160 --> 1:42:22.000 this is where it's going to get into some kind 1:42:22.000 --> 1:42:25.880 of weirder stuff that we will kind of explain later. 1:42:26.240 --> 1:42:29.360 They have like a second definition here quote Nihilistic violence streamists, 1:42:29.360 --> 1:42:32.559 both individually and as a network, systematically and methodically target 1:42:32.680 --> 1:42:35.120 vulnerable populations across the United States and the globe. They 1:42:35.160 --> 1:42:38.160 frequently use social media communication platforms to connect with individuals 1:42:38.439 --> 1:42:42.240 and desensitize them to violence, among other things, breaking down 1:42:42.280 --> 1:42:46.960 societal norms regarding engagement violence, normalizing the possession, production, and 1:42:47.040 --> 1:42:50.760 sharing of gore materials, and otherwise corrupting and grooming those 1:42:50.760 --> 1:42:55.360 individuals towards committing future acts of violence unquote. And that 1:42:55.439 --> 1:42:58.240 kind of outlines some of the strategy of these groups, 1:42:59.240 --> 1:43:02.040 the groups that they're kind of gonna mention here. I've 1:43:02.080 --> 1:43:06.759 been doing like freelance research on for about four years now. 1:43:07.920 --> 1:43:11.200 I've been trying to publish a few articles on these 1:43:11.200 --> 1:43:13.639 guys over the years, but it's always it's always tricky, 1:43:14.360 --> 1:43:17.639 and we will get to kind of the darker corners 1:43:17.680 --> 1:43:20.240 of that in a sec But let's let's first kind 1:43:20.240 --> 1:43:25.040 of talk about what this new term, this nvees nihilist 1:43:25.120 --> 1:43:28.479 violent extremists, What this is kind of replacing in the 1:43:28.600 --> 1:43:32.840 in the FBI lexicon. Now, it seems that that this 1:43:33.040 --> 1:43:36.400 term is being used in place of two previous FBI 1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:41.360 terrorism categories. This is from a November twenty twenty FBI bulletin. 1:43:41.479 --> 1:43:46.439 Quote anti government or anti authority violent extremism. This threat 1:43:46.520 --> 1:43:50.080 encompasses the potentially unlawful use or threat of force or 1:43:50.200 --> 1:43:54.759 violence in furtherance of ideological agendas derived from anti government 1:43:54.840 --> 1:43:58.880 or anti authority sentiment, including opposition to perceived economic, social, 1:43:58.960 --> 1:44:03.680 or racial hierarchies, or perceived government overreach, negligence, or illegitimacy. 1:44:05.200 --> 1:44:07.200 Can I say something that stood out to me about 1:44:07.280 --> 1:44:11.240 those definitions? The hatred thing I found really interesting in 1:44:11.280 --> 1:44:14.000 like the very first definition you give that nihilism is 1:44:14.040 --> 1:44:18.000 defined as like in a motive state, because again, I 1:44:18.040 --> 1:44:21.760 think nihilism is classically conceived totally is almost more like 1:44:21.840 --> 1:44:25.080 ontological or metaphysical, And by that I just mean looking 1:44:25.120 --> 1:44:28.240 at these structures of belief in the world. So rather 1:44:28.320 --> 1:44:31.439 than being like motivated by hatred or love or fear 1:44:31.560 --> 1:44:36.080 or whatever, a more classically nihilists few is just again like, oh, 1:44:36.160 --> 1:44:38.400 I've been sold a bill of goods on what the 1:44:38.439 --> 1:44:42.160 meaning of existences or what the undermining underlying principles of 1:44:42.200 --> 1:44:44.519 political reality are, And now I see that they are 1:44:44.520 --> 1:44:45.760 maybe bs. 1:44:45.680 --> 1:44:48.280 Not the hatred of society and wanting to collapse it. 1:44:48.680 --> 1:44:51.800 Yeah, I guess there's just like this negativity associated with 1:44:51.800 --> 1:44:54.080 all that language. And of course I was having never 1:44:54.200 --> 1:44:56.840 heard the definitions that you were just bringing up, you know, 1:44:56.960 --> 1:44:59.559 the way in which it just quickly zigs and zags 1:44:59.600 --> 1:45:03.080 to like some very dark stuff in terms of like radicalization. 1:45:03.120 --> 1:45:05.200 That seemed like there was a reference towards like a 1:45:05.800 --> 1:45:07.559 like like pedophilia or something there. 1:45:07.560 --> 1:45:10.200 Child sexual abuse materials, Yeah, come up a little bit. 1:45:10.320 --> 1:45:13.640 Yeah, Yeah, so it just getting from A to B. 1:45:13.760 --> 1:45:15.719 There is more like getting from A to Z or something. 1:45:15.760 --> 1:45:18.080 It's just not a connection that I think would be 1:45:18.120 --> 1:45:22.120 obvious to anyone who has thought about, read about written 1:45:22.160 --> 1:45:25.160 about nihilism as more of an intellectual or even like 1:45:25.160 --> 1:45:27.599 a political and philosophical. 1:45:26.920 --> 1:45:30.040 Concept totally, because there is like political nihilists and like 1:45:30.040 --> 1:45:32.639 the Russian tradition and more recently in like the American 1:45:32.640 --> 1:45:36.280 Aniatest tradition or the Greek anarchist tradition, where they believe 1:45:36.320 --> 1:45:39.519 in this like idea of like intigation and trying to 1:45:39.640 --> 1:45:41.880 trying to like in negate to government institutions. 1:45:42.320 --> 1:45:44.960 Yeah, but which is still a far cry from believing 1:45:45.000 --> 1:45:51.320 in causing active harm psychologically, physically whatever to human. 1:45:51.080 --> 1:45:52.680 Being vulnerable populations. 1:45:52.800 --> 1:45:53.000 Yeah. 1:45:53.120 --> 1:45:53.439 Yeah. 1:45:53.520 --> 1:45:55.320 Yeah, there's a sense in which it's painted as like 1:45:55.320 --> 1:45:57.400 if you knew nothing else and you were to read 1:45:57.439 --> 1:46:01.040 those definitions and you were just just scared suburban insurance 1:46:01.040 --> 1:46:03.479 salesman or something. It would sound as if it was 1:46:03.560 --> 1:46:07.200 like a death cult infecting the minds of the children, 1:46:07.280 --> 1:46:09.240 like zombie esque little super soldiers. 1:46:09.280 --> 1:46:13.360 That's actually what they're going for. And I have a 1:46:13.400 --> 1:46:16.080 lot of mixed opinions on this term because I think 1:46:16.160 --> 1:46:18.439 this term is trying to describe a group that does 1:46:18.600 --> 1:46:22.960 kind of defy classification. But I think the use of 1:46:23.000 --> 1:46:27.240 the nihilist term is also not good. So I'm kind 1:46:27.240 --> 1:46:28.800 of in a rock and a hard place here as 1:46:28.800 --> 1:46:31.360 someone who does a lot of extremists and research. Now, 1:46:31.560 --> 1:46:35.320 the other term that the FBI is probably seeking to replace, 1:46:35.439 --> 1:46:39.040 at least in part with this new nihilism definition is 1:46:39.439 --> 1:46:43.080 racially or ethnically motivated violent extremism. Right, this is like 1:46:43.160 --> 1:46:46.759 your what term assists your neo Nazis. The FBI defines 1:46:46.800 --> 1:46:50.000 it as quote. This threatning compasses the potentially unlawful use 1:46:50.080 --> 1:46:52.360 or threat of force or violence and furtherance of ideological 1:46:52.400 --> 1:46:55.880 agendas derived from bias, often relating to race or ethnicity 1:46:56.160 --> 1:46:59.759 held by the actor against others or a given population group. 1:47:00.200 --> 1:47:03.360 Racially or ethnically motivated boid extreamists purported to use both 1:47:03.400 --> 1:47:06.639 political and religious justifications to support their racially or ethnically 1:47:06.720 --> 1:47:11.960 based ideological objectives and criminal activities. This was the group 1:47:12.000 --> 1:47:15.160 that saw like a massive, a massive explosion and growth 1:47:15.240 --> 1:47:18.080 the past ten years, really starting around twenty sixteen to 1:47:18.080 --> 1:47:22.280 twenty seventeen, with you know, the neo Nazi mass shooting 1:47:22.600 --> 1:47:25.719 like epidemic, especially around like twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen. 1:47:26.200 --> 1:47:29.320 This is the most lethal group and it grew exponentially 1:47:29.400 --> 1:47:31.519 during that period, and we're kind of seeing some of 1:47:31.560 --> 1:47:35.720 these groups start to reform now. Now there's been some 1:47:35.920 --> 1:47:39.840 reporting that this that this anti government or anti authority 1:47:39.920 --> 1:47:42.599 violent extremism, which I'm just going to say AGAVE, which 1:47:42.640 --> 1:47:45.320 is the acronym which does make me a little bit 1:47:45.360 --> 1:47:49.800 hungry for a glucose syrup. That it's fine. Now, there's 1:47:49.800 --> 1:47:53.080 been some reporting that state agave is specifically like a 1:47:53.160 --> 1:47:56.840 Biden era term, but it actually like predates the Biden 1:47:56.880 --> 1:48:00.760 presidency and was in use under Trump. In fact, a 1:48:00.760 --> 1:48:03.280 lot of the internal FBI reforms that are being reported 1:48:03.320 --> 1:48:07.160 on right now are actually undoing changes and counter terrorism 1:48:07.200 --> 1:48:11.120 strategies that started under the first Trump presidency. But we'll 1:48:11.160 --> 1:48:13.320 get more on that later. We're gonna go on an 1:48:13.360 --> 1:48:17.000 ad break real quick and return to talk about a 1:48:17.000 --> 1:48:20.840 gruesome act of violence in Wisconsin last month. 1:48:30.840 --> 1:48:31.720 All right, we are back. 1:48:32.840 --> 1:48:35.879 I'm gonna get more into how the government is using 1:48:35.960 --> 1:48:38.759 this term and like what they are applying it to, 1:48:39.439 --> 1:48:42.280 what they're applying the nihilist of violent extremism labeled to. 1:48:43.479 --> 1:48:46.879 Earlier this year, a Wisconsin teen male named Nikota Cassup 1:48:47.320 --> 1:48:50.360 killed his parents in an attempt to gain the financial 1:48:50.439 --> 1:48:53.760 means and autonomy necessary to carry out a plot to 1:48:53.800 --> 1:48:58.360 assassinate President Trump and accelerate the collapse of the United States. 1:48:59.200 --> 1:49:02.680 I'm gonna read a quote from a federal criminal complaint 1:49:03.200 --> 1:49:04.120 filed last month. 1:49:04.240 --> 1:49:04.679 Quote. 1:49:04.840 --> 1:49:07.800 On March third, twenty twenty, five County sheriffs obtained a 1:49:07.800 --> 1:49:11.240 search warrant for casp cell phone. During the review, they 1:49:11.240 --> 1:49:14.880 identified material on the phone related to quote unquote the 1:49:15.040 --> 1:49:18.040 Order of Nine Angles. The sheriff's review of the phone 1:49:18.040 --> 1:49:25.679 identified possible usernames for Cassup, including Accelerationists fourteen and Awoken unquote. Now, Michael, 1:49:25.720 --> 1:49:28.920 are you unfortunate enough to be familiar with the Order 1:49:28.960 --> 1:49:29.799 of Nine Angles? 1:49:30.360 --> 1:49:31.599 I am not so. 1:49:31.800 --> 1:49:33.880 This is a group that was originally based in the 1:49:34.000 --> 1:49:38.040 UK and now is primarily active in Eastern Europe, though 1:49:38.080 --> 1:49:41.400 there are branches or spin offs called nexions in the 1:49:41.520 --> 1:49:45.120 United States. This is a group that is kind of 1:49:45.120 --> 1:49:48.320 hard to find. People often call it a Nazi Satanist group. 1:49:48.800 --> 1:49:51.640 I think it's more accurate to call them a like 1:49:51.680 --> 1:49:56.320 white supremacist, a cultic group who essentially try to cultivate 1:49:56.400 --> 1:49:59.280 evil for the sake of evil. They're like a left 1:49:59.320 --> 1:50:03.960 hand path a cult group that has orchestrated multiple terrorist attacks, 1:50:04.120 --> 1:50:08.519 especially through radicalizing US soldiers. At this point, they're pretty 1:50:08.640 --> 1:50:12.320 mythic with their writing and tactics, leaving a strong lingering 1:50:12.360 --> 1:50:16.240 presence across the left hand path fascist occult milli U. 1:50:17.040 --> 1:50:20.400 We also have a reference to quote unquote accelerationism here, 1:50:20.680 --> 1:50:23.240 which kind of similar to nihilism. Is like this philosophical 1:50:23.280 --> 1:50:26.000 term which has kind of been like warped and changed 1:50:26.160 --> 1:50:30.640 VIA's people's application of it in politics, and specifically kind 1:50:30.680 --> 1:50:31.800 of the way that we're going to be using this 1:50:31.880 --> 1:50:35.400 word here is this idea of trying to like accelerate 1:50:35.560 --> 1:50:38.880 the collapse of the country, mostly to install like a 1:50:38.880 --> 1:50:41.759 white supremacistats in a state after the country has collapsed. 1:50:41.800 --> 1:50:44.040 This is how most Nazis use the term even though 1:50:44.080 --> 1:50:47.120 it has a slightly different cultural background with the work 1:50:47.200 --> 1:50:48.639 of Nick Land and Fisher. 1:50:48.800 --> 1:50:51.160 When I was growing up, acceleration just men accelerating the 1:50:51.200 --> 1:50:52.560 contradictions of capitalism. 1:50:52.600 --> 1:50:54.440 But kids these days. 1:50:54.760 --> 1:50:58.320 That's right, not a good one. 1:50:58.840 --> 1:51:03.000 So this eddial criminal complaint alleges that Cassup was communicating 1:51:03.000 --> 1:51:05.679 with people on the messaging app Telegram, and these people 1:51:05.680 --> 1:51:09.120 were possibly in Ukraine and or Russia, and these people 1:51:09.160 --> 1:51:13.640 helped him plan this attack. The FBI found TikTok messages 1:51:13.640 --> 1:51:16.679 on his phone where he discussed the struggle of telling 1:51:16.720 --> 1:51:19.800 his friends that he quote unquote follows O nine A 1:51:19.960 --> 1:51:23.160 teachings that's Order of nine angles, and he discussed a 1:51:23.160 --> 1:51:25.760 previous FBI visit to his home in twenty twenty three. 1:51:26.760 --> 1:51:29.200 In other exchanges on TikTok, he shared information with a 1:51:29.360 --> 1:51:35.000 user named Nihilis about how to find Nazi telegram channels. 1:51:35.320 --> 1:51:36.880 I'm gonna I'm gonna read through some of this, some 1:51:36.920 --> 1:51:41.280 of this uh chat transcript Nihilis, Hey, dude, do you 1:51:41.360 --> 1:51:44.719 know any telegram groups where niners that's O nine A 1:51:45.000 --> 1:51:51.479 and drex can interact and exchange info? Awoken, that's Cassup. Sorry, No, 1:51:51.640 --> 1:51:56.360 I'm mostly in NSWP telegram groups. L ol. If you 1:51:56.439 --> 1:51:59.080 do find any, it'd be nice if you tell me. Nihilis, 1:51:59.240 --> 1:52:06.440 what's WP? Awoke, Wikipedia dot org, slash national underscore, socialism underscore, 1:52:06.479 --> 1:52:11.200 white power, nilus oh, white power cool? Awoken? Do you 1:52:11.240 --> 1:52:14.680 know any on nine a telegram groups? Nihlis? Oh, not 1:52:14.760 --> 1:52:18.200 a group, but a channel. You can find documents there. Awoken? 1:52:18.560 --> 1:52:21.720 All right, send awoken? Can you send me the link 1:52:21.760 --> 1:52:25.240 to the account? Awoken, It says, I can't access the message, Nihlis, 1:52:25.320 --> 1:52:28.160 How can I do that? Wait a second, awoken? Here's 1:52:28.200 --> 1:52:32.759 my telegram user name accelerationists fourteen. Nihlis. I sent a message, 1:52:33.240 --> 1:52:33.800 So there you go. 1:52:33.920 --> 1:52:35.799 That's the man. 1:52:36.200 --> 1:52:42.040 Just There is some later telegram messages that are archived 1:52:42.120 --> 1:52:46.040 in this in this complaint as well, where at accelerationist says, 1:52:46.280 --> 1:52:48.400 what country do you think will get the blame for this? 1:52:48.640 --> 1:52:52.920 Meaning his planned attack? An unknown user replied Russia will 1:52:52.960 --> 1:52:56.800 be blamed for it. This is the goal, accelerationist said. 1:52:56.840 --> 1:52:59.360 Quote when the time comes for you to send my 1:52:59.520 --> 1:53:02.040 manifest to you so you can spread it online? Should 1:53:02.040 --> 1:53:05.719 it be a pdf? Also? 1:53:06.200 --> 1:53:08.320 Sorry? I just like that when the contexts of all 1:53:08.360 --> 1:53:10.240 that they're discussing file types. 1:53:11.000 --> 1:53:15.160 And also, you won't anyhow change or modify the manifesto, 1:53:15.840 --> 1:53:17.920 The unknown user replies, write it on a piece of 1:53:17.960 --> 1:53:19.080 paper and take a picture. 1:53:19.520 --> 1:53:20.000 Wow. 1:53:20.240 --> 1:53:23.920 The FBI personnel performing the preliminary review saw images of 1:53:23.960 --> 1:53:29.080 a three page document titled Accelerate the Collapse. The images 1:53:29.120 --> 1:53:32.280 are screen grabs displayed on a phone, and these images 1:53:32.280 --> 1:53:35.240 were created on February twenty eight, twenty twenty five. This 1:53:35.320 --> 1:53:39.320 document is the manifesto referred to by at Accelerationist. The 1:53:39.360 --> 1:53:41.320 manifesto calls for the assassination of the President of the 1:53:41.400 --> 1:53:44.280 United States in order to ferment a political revolution in 1:53:44.320 --> 1:53:46.920 the United States to quote unquote save the white race 1:53:47.240 --> 1:53:51.360 from quote unquote Jewish controlled politicians. The third page of 1:53:51.360 --> 1:53:54.479 the document contains images of Adolph Hitler with text that reads, 1:53:54.560 --> 1:53:58.120 quote Hail Hitler, Hail the White Race, Hail victory. Now, 1:53:58.479 --> 1:54:01.479 from what I can read it, this manifesto, it's pretty basic. 1:54:01.640 --> 1:54:04.759 It's heavily plagiarized, like most of these kind of white 1:54:04.800 --> 1:54:09.599 supremacist accelerationist manifestos are. It talks about how Jews control 1:54:09.640 --> 1:54:13.280 white countries and are promoting white genocide and degeneracy. Talks 1:54:13.280 --> 1:54:17.280 about the need to quote unquote collapse Jewish occupied governments. 1:54:18.040 --> 1:54:20.280 The manifesto states that his motivation for wanting to kill 1:54:20.280 --> 1:54:24.120 Trump was to sow chaos and raise public awareness that 1:54:24.200 --> 1:54:27.880 quote assassinations at accelerating the collapse are possible things to do, 1:54:28.080 --> 1:54:31.559 unquote not that possible, since he's arrested and did not 1:54:31.600 --> 1:54:36.240 accelerate the collapse. But he also advocates that people unable 1:54:36.320 --> 1:54:39.000 to commit to taking direct action instead make connections with 1:54:39.040 --> 1:54:41.160 other white supremacists and grow a network to take over 1:54:41.200 --> 1:54:45.360 the country once America collapses. He recommends the writing of 1:54:45.480 --> 1:54:49.720 Nazi accelerationists, including James Mason, who wrote the influential Nazi 1:54:49.720 --> 1:54:53.560 book Siege, and the Terror gram Collective, a group of 1:54:53.560 --> 1:54:55.600 white premacists from around the world who organize on the 1:54:55.640 --> 1:54:59.200 messaging platform Telegram to share guides on how to do terrorism. 1:54:59.520 --> 1:55:03.160 He also recommends the writings of former Adam Waffen members, 1:55:03.400 --> 1:55:07.320 an American accelerationist group, writing quote, there's much to learn 1:55:07.360 --> 1:55:10.320 from the successes and mistakes of Adam Waffin. I think 1:55:10.360 --> 1:55:13.080 it's worth noting that Adam Waffin was also either like 1:55:13.240 --> 1:55:17.600 infiltrated or partially co opted and inspired by some nine 1:55:17.680 --> 1:55:21.520 A teachings. This is kind of how the more bizarre 1:55:21.560 --> 1:55:24.839 and occultic influence of on nine A seeped more into 1:55:24.920 --> 1:55:29.120 the kind of general American accelerationist Nazi mill you this 1:55:29.280 --> 1:55:32.880 was like in like twenty eighteen. Now, Cassip advises that 1:55:32.960 --> 1:55:35.839 if the reader of the manifesto is already like pilled, 1:55:36.400 --> 1:55:39.000 that you should just skip the theory and just read 1:55:39.080 --> 1:55:42.200 practical how to guides for terrorism and bomb making, since 1:55:42.280 --> 1:55:45.880 quote unquote, there is no political solution. Huge amounts of 1:55:45.960 --> 1:55:49.000 violence will be required long past the days where we 1:55:49.040 --> 1:55:52.280 can vote for a Hitler to save us. White revolution 1:55:52.520 --> 1:55:55.800 is the only solution, unquote, which is I guess I'm 1:55:55.840 --> 1:55:58.160 kind of desensitized to this sort of stuff. In fact, 1:55:58.200 --> 1:56:00.920 I just find this slightly funny considering kind of the 1:56:01.000 --> 1:56:03.879 victory lap that like Steven Miller and like white nationalists 1:56:03.920 --> 1:56:07.000 are currently having in the government where many of them 1:56:07.040 --> 1:56:08.920 do think they can just vote for a Hitler to 1:56:08.920 --> 1:56:11.440 save us, and that Hitler may may already be in 1:56:11.480 --> 1:56:12.200 office forever. 1:56:12.360 --> 1:56:14.400 Well, that is, it's so shocking hearing all this as 1:56:14.440 --> 1:56:16.920 someone that doesn't know all these details. I mean a, 1:56:17.000 --> 1:56:18.920 I feel like the blinders just got taken off me 1:56:18.920 --> 1:56:22.400 and now I'm seeing the world anew but be shocking 1:56:22.440 --> 1:56:25.560 that from a more normy perspective, in my mind, I 1:56:25.600 --> 1:56:28.040 would think all of these types would be pretty excited 1:56:28.080 --> 1:56:31.040 about how things are going politically, not trying to tear 1:56:31.120 --> 1:56:34.360 things down further. It's like you guys won you know, 1:56:34.440 --> 1:56:35.000 accept it. 1:56:35.160 --> 1:56:37.160 Even Trump is not actually enough for a lot of 1:56:37.200 --> 1:56:41.080 these guys. Yeah, they really go places now. Cassup was 1:56:41.080 --> 1:56:43.839 coordinating with multiple telegram users, likely in Ukraine and Russia, 1:56:43.840 --> 1:56:46.120 on how to build a drone that can drop an 1:56:46.160 --> 1:56:50.960 explosive and paid some individuals for some of the required materials, 1:56:51.400 --> 1:56:54.120 and also had a plan to flee to Ukraine after 1:56:54.120 --> 1:56:58.360 his attack. That he was coordinating with Ukrainian Nazis on telegram. 1:56:58.760 --> 1:57:01.160 Tough look for telegrams. 1:57:01.200 --> 1:57:06.640 It's always a tough look for telegram. Not great, not 1:57:06.720 --> 1:57:09.520 a great platform, pretty much only used by these guys. 1:57:10.360 --> 1:57:10.560 Yeah. 1:57:10.600 --> 1:57:12.240 No, he was talking about how he probably needs to 1:57:12.320 --> 1:57:15.760 quote unquote brush up on my Russian Oh yeah, definitely 1:57:15.840 --> 1:57:19.879 before he flees to Ukraine after trying to kill the president. 1:57:20.280 --> 1:57:22.640 Yeah, you download due LINGO after you do. 1:57:22.640 --> 1:57:26.160 That, that's right, that's right. He had plans to meet 1:57:26.240 --> 1:57:29.560 up with with ten people with similar beliefs in Ukraine. 1:57:30.000 --> 1:57:32.160 My mind is just so blown by all this. I 1:57:32.800 --> 1:57:35.360 thought I knew things. I know nothing now. 1:57:35.480 --> 1:57:40.120 On March tenth, Sheriffs interviewed a classmate of Cassup, and 1:57:40.240 --> 1:57:42.800 the classmate told them that the Cassup would send quote 1:57:42.840 --> 1:57:47.840 unquote gore edit videos that includes flashing like gore like 1:57:48.000 --> 1:57:53.040 bodygore imagery and war images put to Russian music sent 1:57:53.200 --> 1:57:57.560 via Snapchat. This is a common tactic done by these 1:57:57.640 --> 1:58:00.760 sort of like teenage extremists. This is this is a 1:58:00.760 --> 1:58:04.080 whole like subgenre of video that has like changed and 1:58:04.160 --> 1:58:07.200 altered in aesthetic multiple times. Frankly, if you spend enough 1:58:07.240 --> 1:58:09.680 time on Twitter now in the comments of blue Check 1:58:09.760 --> 1:58:12.040 Neo Nazis, you can find some some of these edits 1:58:12.080 --> 1:58:15.560 where they have like you know, like techno techno, like 1:58:15.640 --> 1:58:18.240 fast paced sometimes like Russian music set to like you know, 1:58:18.280 --> 1:58:22.240 glorified images of like like like Rome or Nazi Germany, 1:58:22.480 --> 1:58:25.760 or a large variety of stuff. But the gore genre 1:58:25.880 --> 1:58:28.920 is specifically unique to kind of the to the oh 1:58:29.000 --> 1:58:31.560 nine to a like a culti Nazi branch, because they 1:58:31.560 --> 1:58:35.000 think that like viewing these images like increases your power 1:58:35.080 --> 1:58:37.640 level of like evil. Right, It's a very video game 1:58:37.800 --> 1:58:40.680 view of like of like spiritual development of like you 1:58:40.720 --> 1:58:42.720 have to you have to like raise your evil stat 1:58:42.760 --> 1:58:45.440 by looking at Gore and this will make you more 1:58:45.480 --> 1:58:47.600 able to commit like big acts of violence. 1:58:47.800 --> 1:58:51.040 WHOA So just desensitizing yourself. So the image just makes 1:58:51.080 --> 1:58:53.040 you a more violent person and capable of doing these 1:58:53.040 --> 1:58:53.720 things yourself. 1:58:53.960 --> 1:58:58.200 Correct correct, And that's like a big part of their process. This, 1:58:58.320 --> 1:59:00.320 this is why they send this type of to a 1:59:00.360 --> 1:59:02.320 lot of kids on the internet, because they hope that 1:59:02.360 --> 1:59:05.160 if they decenitize these kids, it'll be easier to convince 1:59:05.160 --> 1:59:08.720 them to then do acts of violence themselves. Cassup told 1:59:08.800 --> 1:59:11.520 his classmate that he intended to kill his parents by 1:59:11.520 --> 1:59:14.160 shooting them, but could not because he didn't have access 1:59:14.160 --> 1:59:16.600 to a gun. He later told his classmate that he 1:59:16.640 --> 1:59:18.720 would befriend someone with a gun and then steal it, 1:59:19.400 --> 1:59:21.600 and told him that he was in contact with a 1:59:21.600 --> 1:59:23.880 male in Russia via telegram and that they were both 1:59:23.960 --> 1:59:26.520 plotting to overthrow the government of the United States and 1:59:26.560 --> 1:59:31.080 assassinate Resident Trump. Cassip told the classmate that when he 1:59:31.160 --> 1:59:35.040 saw ten consecutive attacks in the news, it would have 1:59:35.200 --> 1:59:35.800 to be him. 1:59:36.640 --> 1:59:38.880 I've already transitioned to this sort of person who can 1:59:38.880 --> 1:59:41.480 now laugh at this because of the absurdity. 1:59:41.600 --> 1:59:44.760 Oh my gosh, and get those laughs in now, because 1:59:44.760 --> 1:59:48.640 the next section is much more dark. Oh no, because 1:59:48.680 --> 1:59:50.400 it's funny to laugh at a guy like this who 1:59:50.400 --> 1:59:52.560 mostly failed. I mean, he did kill his parents, that is. 1:59:52.880 --> 1:59:57.360 Oh no, he did kill his parents. He did flee 1:59:57.640 --> 2:00:00.240 through a different state. He wasn't smart enough to he 2:00:00.320 --> 2:00:02.800 at least tracked him on him and his parents' cell 2:00:02.840 --> 2:00:06.800 phone and their car who he still had with him. 2:00:07.240 --> 2:00:11.680 So yet not a very good attacker, I guess. But no, 2:00:11.880 --> 2:00:15.200 like this, this kid murder of his parents sat in 2:00:15.280 --> 2:00:18.440 the house with their decomposing bodies for twelve days before 2:00:18.520 --> 2:00:20.760 trying to carry out the rest of his attack on 2:00:20.800 --> 2:00:24.520 the United States. So yeah, though he did not succeed 2:00:24.640 --> 2:00:28.160 in his larger goals like these, these people still absolutely 2:00:28.200 --> 2:00:30.560 do get like groomed into doing violence. And this is 2:00:30.600 --> 2:00:34.880 something that happens at a pretty frequent basis, honestly, to 2:00:34.960 --> 2:00:37.040 the point where these types of things don't make giant 2:00:37.040 --> 2:00:40.560 headlines anymore. They would have maybe in twenty seventeen, but 2:00:40.680 --> 2:00:43.480 now a lot of journalists are desensitized to this, and 2:00:43.840 --> 2:00:48.160 because it happens so frequently, it is less newsworthy, which 2:00:48.200 --> 2:00:50.919 is a very unfortunate place to be in for a country. 2:00:51.880 --> 2:00:53.400 Do you know what else is unfortunate? Michael? 2:00:53.560 --> 2:00:54.640 Oh, what what's that? 2:00:55.600 --> 2:00:58.840 Having to pivot to ads actually necessary evil. 2:00:58.840 --> 2:01:00.000 It's way better than killing your fend. 2:01:00.920 --> 2:01:03.440 Yes, yes, I will go on record. I will go 2:01:03.480 --> 2:01:09.400 on record. Eat me get aboord. Sorry, I love ads. Actually, 2:01:20.160 --> 2:01:23.160 as it heads up, the next section will reference online 2:01:23.160 --> 2:01:28.120 exploitation and child sexual abuse material. All right, we are back. 2:01:28.800 --> 2:01:34.120 Let's get more depressing. Unfortunately, but I think we will 2:01:34.120 --> 2:01:36.400 find a way to turn this around. Well, not like 2:01:36.480 --> 2:01:38.280 in an optimistic way, but in a way that it's 2:01:38.280 --> 2:01:42.600 like useful. Well, well, we'll learn something together. So at 2:01:42.640 --> 2:01:45.560 the end of this section of this complaint that attempts 2:01:45.560 --> 2:01:50.760 to describe Cassip's collapse driven political ideology is the appearance 2:01:50.840 --> 2:01:54.160 of this new term, nihilistic violent extremists right now. This 2:01:54.240 --> 2:01:56.840 was actually the second time this term has appeared in 2:01:56.880 --> 2:02:00.800 court documents. The earliest appearance of this term was in 2:02:00.840 --> 2:02:04.000 a March sentencing memo for a child sexual abuse material 2:02:04.080 --> 2:02:06.840 case first filed in November of twenty twenty four, which 2:02:06.920 --> 2:02:09.960 was linked to the seven six four child extortion and 2:02:10.160 --> 2:02:14.560 exploitation network. Ken Kleppenstein, who first reported on the use 2:02:14.600 --> 2:02:18.520 of the nihilism term, missed this first appearance and attributed 2:02:18.560 --> 2:02:21.920 the origin to the cassup case. Michael, are you similarly 2:02:22.040 --> 2:02:24.760 unfortunate enough to be aware of seven six'? 2:02:24.880 --> 2:02:28.680 Four this is another one where my brain is more 2:02:28.960 --> 2:02:31.160 pure than. YOURS i guess at this point for dad 2:02:31.240 --> 2:02:32.880 to get, Ruined so let's still let's do. 2:02:32.880 --> 2:02:34.720 It, YEAH i mean it has been for a lot of, 2:02:34.720 --> 2:02:37.760 people Like I've i've been doing like extremism, research And 2:02:37.800 --> 2:02:41.880 i've been aware of these guys for about four. Years 2:02:42.400 --> 2:02:46.040 THE fbi think first did their like public announcement like 2:02:46.120 --> 2:02:49.360 warning parents about this in twenty twenty. Three seven six 2:02:49.440 --> 2:02:52.800 four is like a network of groups that operate either on, Discord, Telegram, 2:02:53.000 --> 2:02:56.040 instagram social media. Apps they're kind of inspired by some 2:02:56.080 --> 2:02:58.120 aspects OF oz NINE, a but they are much more 2:02:58.120 --> 2:03:01.160 focused on the production and district abution of child sexual 2:03:01.160 --> 2:03:06.920 abuse materials and trying to manipulate groom and like blackmail 2:03:06.920 --> 2:03:10.120 and extort miners into producing this. MATERIAL a lot of 2:03:10.120 --> 2:03:12.240 it's done by other miners, Too like a lot of 2:03:12.240 --> 2:03:15.360 this is teens targeting other teens with adults kind of 2:03:15.360 --> 2:03:18.760 helping this process. Along it's a pretty big. Problem there's 2:03:18.760 --> 2:03:21.200 been some good reporting on it In wired And The 2:03:21.280 --> 2:03:24.840 guardian the past few, years if you want to read. More, 2:03:26.120 --> 2:03:29.240 now This march sentencing memo for the seven six four 2:03:29.320 --> 2:03:32.640 case describes seven six four and related groups as quote 2:03:32.840 --> 2:03:36.440 nihilist violent extremists who engage in criminal conduct within The 2:03:36.520 --> 2:03:39.400 United states and engage with other extremists. Abroad the seven 2:03:39.440 --> 2:03:42.800 six to four Networks accelerationist goals include social unrest in 2:03:42.840 --> 2:03:45.360 the downfall of the current world, order including The United states. 2:03:45.360 --> 2:03:48.120 Government members of seven six four work in concert with 2:03:48.120 --> 2:03:51.840 one another towards a common purpose of destroying civilized society 2:03:52.240 --> 2:03:57.080 through the corruption and exploitation of vulnerable, populations including. Miners. Quote, 2:03:57.600 --> 2:04:00.360 NOW i think this this definition may be a bit to, 2:04:00.680 --> 2:04:05.280 generalizing but it's not. Incorrect like, this this is correct 2:04:05.400 --> 2:04:09.360 in what the explicit goals of this group, are maybe 2:04:09.400 --> 2:04:12.960 not just every individual member of this. Group BUT i 2:04:13.320 --> 2:04:15.480 think it would be a mistake to kind of dismiss 2:04:15.480 --> 2:04:19.720 this definition as outlandishly, grandiose. Right it kind of it 2:04:19.720 --> 2:04:23.600 calls into like my you, know like conspiracy, theory like, 2:04:23.680 --> 2:04:27.640 framing because it sounds very like extravagant and, complicated and 2:04:28.040 --> 2:04:30.720 it kind of, is but it's it's also like. Simple 2:04:30.760 --> 2:04:33.680 it's it's people trying to automate the process of producing 2:04:33.720 --> 2:04:36.400 and distributing illegal. Materials BUT i do believe it is 2:04:36.400 --> 2:04:38.840 a mistake to completely dismiss, this both in terms of 2:04:38.840 --> 2:04:41.880 like the government trying to ascribe political motive for the 2:04:41.880 --> 2:04:45.480 distribution of these, materials and also the ideological justifications held 2:04:45.520 --> 2:04:49.000 by some members of these. Groups now there have been 2:04:49.240 --> 2:04:51.840 two more seven six four cases From april of twenty 2:04:51.880 --> 2:04:55.360 twenty five that have used the nihilist of violent extremism 2:04:55.400 --> 2:04:58.680 designation in court. Documents, now part of kind of the 2:04:58.680 --> 2:05:02.160 struggle with this, is Like Ken kippenstein, reported, quote it 2:05:02.200 --> 2:05:05.760 sounds to me like some demented philosophical justification for just 2:05:05.880 --> 2:05:09.720 being a, pedophile and like it, Is but that doesn't 2:05:09.760 --> 2:05:15.280 mean the political motivations shouldn't be, discounted because those motivations 2:05:15.280 --> 2:05:18.480 impact how they, operate how these groups, spread which targets they, 2:05:18.480 --> 2:05:22.360 pick and other political actions members might, take like mass 2:05:22.360 --> 2:05:27.800 shootings targeting racial, minorities TARGETING lgbtq. Individuals so, yeah this 2:05:28.240 --> 2:05:30.360 is kind of WHY i push back a little bit 2:05:30.400 --> 2:05:33.560 on this kind of dismissive tone towards this like, larger 2:05:33.680 --> 2:05:37.920 almost conspiratorial kind of matrix put onto groups like seven 2:05:37.920 --> 2:05:40.600 and six. Four, now part of the tricky thing with 2:05:40.800 --> 2:05:44.000 use of this new nihilism term is that it's being 2:05:44.080 --> 2:05:47.800 used to rope in a variety of horrific incidents under 2:05:47.840 --> 2:05:51.640 a singular nebulous. Category, Right so let's take the case 2:05:51.680 --> 2:05:54.040 Of Cassip. Here Cass up that the guy who killed 2:05:54.040 --> 2:05:56.800 his parents in a plata collapse The United, states is 2:05:57.120 --> 2:06:00.960 a relatively bog standard like Neo nazi accelerationist with seemingly 2:06:00.960 --> 2:06:03.440 no direct ties to seven to six four activity besides 2:06:03.440 --> 2:06:05.320 an interest IN o NINE, a which was just one 2:06:05.320 --> 2:06:08.360 of the inspirations that influenced seven to sixty four as 2:06:08.360 --> 2:06:11.200 it evolved into its own complex machine about five years. 2:06:11.240 --> 2:06:14.920 Ago But cassup openly admitted to being radicalized By nazism 2:06:14.960 --> 2:06:18.160 and the White power movement, online and yet in his 2:06:18.280 --> 2:06:23.120 criminal complaint contains an expanded version of the nihilist violent extremism, 2:06:23.160 --> 2:06:25.960 definition which is literally copy and pasted from a child 2:06:26.080 --> 2:06:29.320 sexual abuse material sentencing memo from five days. Before so 2:06:29.360 --> 2:06:32.560 they just used this same thing despite it not really. 2:06:32.560 --> 2:06:36.960 Applying reading. Quote individuals are targeted online often through synchronized group. 2:06:37.040 --> 2:06:41.040 Chats nihilist of violent extremists frequently conduct coorinated extortions of 2:06:41.040 --> 2:06:43.680 individuals by blackmailing them so they comply with demands of the. 2:06:43.680 --> 2:06:46.360 Network these demands vary and, include but are not limited, 2:06:46.360 --> 2:06:49.760 to self mutilation online or in, person sexual, as harms to, animals, 2:06:49.800 --> 2:06:52.960 sex sexual exploitation of siblings and, others acts of, violence 2:06:53.000 --> 2:06:56.920 threats of, violence, suicide and. Murder so very very dark. 2:06:56.960 --> 2:06:59.960 Stuff the definition goes on to state how Vulnerable india 2:07:00.480 --> 2:07:03.440 are targeted and members of the group attempt to gain 2:07:03.520 --> 2:07:06.600 notoriety throughout the network and spread fear among those targeted 2:07:06.640 --> 2:07:09.600 individuals for the purpose of accelerating the downfall of society 2:07:09.640 --> 2:07:13.240 and otherwise achieving the goal of nihilist violent. Extremists so 2:07:13.720 --> 2:07:16.960 while that does accurately describe groups like seven six, four 2:07:17.400 --> 2:07:20.440 it doesn't really relate to the case Of. Cassup it's 2:07:20.480 --> 2:07:22.200 tricky because a lot of these seven and six four 2:07:22.240 --> 2:07:25.760 guys are Also, nazis and a lot Of nazis are also. 2:07:25.960 --> 2:07:30.440 Pedophiles some of these guys start off as like evil 2:07:30.520 --> 2:07:34.400 occultic pedophiles who associate With nazism because it's a pretty 2:07:34.480 --> 2:07:38.080 universal symbol of, evil and sometimes it's the vice versa 2:07:38.080 --> 2:07:40.440 where they start off as like an antisemitic right, winger 2:07:40.520 --> 2:07:43.600 A nazi or A, fascist who then associate with this 2:07:43.680 --> 2:07:46.760 weird pedo occult stuff for a variety of reasons like, 2:07:46.800 --> 2:07:51.720 spiritual perverted pleasure or tactical network, building and usually usually 2:07:51.760 --> 2:07:55.960 it's a, Mix klippenstein, writes. Quote the warrant Alleges cassip 2:07:56.040 --> 2:07:57.840 was in touch with The order Of Nine, angles A 2:07:57.920 --> 2:08:01.400 satanic Neo nazi group that spouses except, racism a fancy 2:08:01.440 --> 2:08:04.520 word for the belief that destabilizing the social order allows 2:08:04.560 --> 2:08:07.520 for radical. Change that is pretty heady stuff to ascribe 2:08:07.560 --> 2:08:09.960 to a seventeen year old and ends up having the 2:08:09.960 --> 2:08:13.320 feeling of an episode of altered carbon, unquote AND i 2:08:13.400 --> 2:08:16.520 kind of like reject this dismissive, Framing, like, no these 2:08:16.520 --> 2:08:19.040 seventeen year olds are thinking about, This they are getting 2:08:19.040 --> 2:08:22.640 convinced of this material. Online that is the motivation for 2:08:22.760 --> 2:08:25.120 this isn't like a science fiction. Thing this is real 2:08:25.600 --> 2:08:28.760 and it's pretty common among like extremists this. Age there's 2:08:28.960 --> 2:08:33.080 a lot of young teenage male extremists that's kind of 2:08:33.120 --> 2:08:36.000 their main, demographic and this type of stuff is popular 2:08:36.160 --> 2:08:39.560 like this is at least popular within this small group of. 2:08:39.600 --> 2:08:43.080 Extremists so, yeah it is a little bit, heady but 2:08:43.640 --> 2:08:46.360 this is what they are genuinely thinking about. It it's 2:08:46.440 --> 2:08:49.920 not incorrect to like ascribe that to. Them cassap openly 2:08:49.960 --> 2:08:51.600 admitted to this connection well. 2:08:51.440 --> 2:08:53.760 And even speak to the flip side of. That you, 2:08:53.760 --> 2:08:58.320 know over the years making philosophy stuff on, YouTube i've 2:08:58.320 --> 2:09:00.520 gotten in touch with people who reached out to be, like, 2:09:00.560 --> 2:09:02.440 Oh i've been watching stuff since high. School WHEN i 2:09:02.480 --> 2:09:04.720 was like, FIFTEEN i was watching these like philosophy YouTube 2:09:04.760 --> 2:09:06.080 videos on heady ideas and reading. 2:09:06.120 --> 2:09:08.320 Stuff so like, ME i was one of these. 2:09:08.360 --> 2:09:11.600 People, yeah there's like young folks out there who take 2:09:11.680 --> 2:09:14.560 big ideas very seriously and they have, more absolutely less 2:09:14.600 --> 2:09:17.080 than every of these. Things so it doesn't and it 2:09:17.080 --> 2:09:19.760 doesn't shock me at all that some teen could go 2:09:19.760 --> 2:09:21.720 down that rabbit hole or even could start reading like 2:09:21.760 --> 2:09:24.720 A Kurtis jarvin Or Nick land and going down those 2:09:24.760 --> 2:09:26.520 rabbit holes and, stuff especially now that some of these 2:09:26.560 --> 2:09:28.600 people are you, know put on like The New York 2:09:28.600 --> 2:09:31.000 times and stuff like. That so, exactly it seems weird 2:09:31.040 --> 2:09:35.000 to dismiss. THAT i can understand the impulse to be, 2:09:35.160 --> 2:09:38.920 like this just seems like a very, stupid evil teen. Kid, 2:09:39.040 --> 2:09:41.880 totally it seems just as. Plausible like you're pointing out 2:09:41.880 --> 2:09:43.840 that there could be an actual engagement with, ideas and 2:09:44.120 --> 2:09:45.960 it's important to recognize that because then you have to 2:09:45.960 --> 2:09:46.720 get at the root of that. 2:09:47.080 --> 2:09:51.560 Exactly and, like these people aren't necessarily like philosophical nihilists 2:09:51.760 --> 2:09:55.120 or existential. Nihilists, yeah but they could be interpreted as 2:09:55.160 --> 2:09:58.280 reacting to a general like passive nihilist culture with this 2:09:58.320 --> 2:10:01.800 form of like pseudo political, nihlige this attempt at like social, 2:10:02.240 --> 2:10:06.280 negation like total systems. Collapse but even still they aren't 2:10:06.280 --> 2:10:08.880 total like political, nihilists since they have a very clear 2:10:09.360 --> 2:10:12.120 system of hierarchy that they want the current world order replaced. 2:10:12.120 --> 2:10:15.760 With though these individuals may be seen as like victims 2:10:15.760 --> 2:10:19.560 of nihilism and like like in like The nietzschean. Sense, now, 2:10:19.600 --> 2:10:23.200 like my main problem with the nihilist violent extremism term 2:10:23.480 --> 2:10:27.320 is that it's so depoliticized and like in a way 2:10:27.400 --> 2:10:30.600 that's rife for political. Abuse this term can be used 2:10:30.640 --> 2:10:33.520 to cover what the government deems as violence stemming from 2:10:33.560 --> 2:10:37.240 like apathy from frustration with, society as well as like 2:10:37.360 --> 2:10:41.760 anti tech or anti civilization, politics and this is all 2:10:41.760 --> 2:10:44.720 coming from like top down at the New Federal bureau Of. 2:10:44.800 --> 2:10:48.600 Investigation for, Years Cash bettel has closely associated WITH, QAnon 2:10:48.960 --> 2:10:52.120 has helped the legal defense campaigns For january sixth, insurrectionists 2:10:52.520 --> 2:10:55.680 which Included Proud, Boys ousekeepers since Three, percenters and now 2:10:55.680 --> 2:10:58.160 as head of THE, fbi he's INVESTIGATING fbi agents who 2:10:58.240 --> 2:11:01.440 worked Those january sixth. Cases Joe, kent the new director 2:11:01.480 --> 2:11:04.480 of The national Counter Terrorism, center has made media appearances 2:11:04.480 --> 2:11:07.880 With Nick fuentes and Neo nazi YouTuber David. Carlson he 2:11:07.960 --> 2:11:11.360 Hired Proud boys to consult in his failed congressional, campaign 2:11:11.560 --> 2:11:14.720 and his friends With Patriot prayer Leader Joey. Gibson kent 2:11:14.760 --> 2:11:19.120 has repeatedly called for THE fbi to INVESTIGATE. Antifa the 2:11:19.160 --> 2:11:22.040 co founder of The Global Project against And, Extremism Heidi, 2:11:22.360 --> 2:11:26.160 barrick has said That PATEL'S QAnon links And deputy Director 2:11:26.240 --> 2:11:30.080 Dan bongino's public conspiracism and bigotry make taking the threat 2:11:30.080 --> 2:11:32.960 of far right extremism quote unquote impossible for these two. 2:11:33.080 --> 2:11:35.960 Men she, says, QUOTE i think it makes it very 2:11:36.040 --> 2:11:38.520 unlikely that the far right will continue to be seen 2:11:38.560 --> 2:11:40.480 as the threat it actually is in terms of hate 2:11:40.520 --> 2:11:43.360 crimes and domestic. Terrorism all of this marks a huge 2:11:43.360 --> 2:11:46.480 departure from the First trump, administration where THE fbi for 2:11:46.520 --> 2:11:50.560 the first time Declared White premacy the country's greatest domestic terrorism. 2:11:50.600 --> 2:11:54.520 Threat facts about violence and its perpetuators probably won't matter 2:11:54.600 --> 2:11:58.560 this time, around, Unquote and these changes are already taking. 2:11:58.600 --> 2:12:01.400 Place an old counter terrorism try guide was removed from 2:12:01.440 --> 2:12:04.600 The White house website In. JANUARY a CURRENT fbi agent 2:12:04.760 --> 2:12:07.240 was quoted In Vanity fair as, saying, quote the key 2:12:07.400 --> 2:12:10.040 is The Domestic Intelligence Operations. Guide if they change, That 2:12:10.120 --> 2:12:14.120 patel will be able to shift domestic terrorism investigations away 2:12:14.200 --> 2:12:17.040 from the accelerationists and the right wing street fighters and 2:12:17.120 --> 2:12:21.680 towards things LIKE blm And antifa. Unquote patel has cut 2:12:21.720 --> 2:12:25.520 The Domestic Terrorism office staffing and reassigned agents and intelligence, 2:12:25.520 --> 2:12:30.480 analysts with new SENIOR fbi officials reportedly considering to disband 2:12:30.600 --> 2:12:34.440 the Entire Domestic Terrorism operations. Section in, addition THE fbi 2:12:34.480 --> 2:12:38.520 has discontinued their previous Domestic Terrorism tracking, tool where they 2:12:38.560 --> 2:12:43.160 take relevant investigations to identify and track trends for terrorism 2:12:43.240 --> 2:12:46.880 probes across the. Country sources for outlets Like reuters say 2:12:46.880 --> 2:12:49.800 that changes to the agency will reduce counter terrorism operations 2:12:49.800 --> 2:12:54.120 against far right and racially motivated extremists and. Militias Jacob, 2:12:54.160 --> 2:12:57.000 ware a domestic terrorism expert at The council On Foreign, 2:12:57.000 --> 2:12:59.800 relations Told, reuters, quote there is a broader, DESIRE i 2:12:59.840 --> 2:13:03.240 think within the administration to at best ignore data and 2:13:03.280 --> 2:13:05.800 put their head in the, sand and at worst to 2:13:05.920 --> 2:13:11.360 realign resources away from this battle. UNQUOTE a spokesperson For 2:13:11.560 --> 2:13:14.600 Higher Representative Jim jordan Told reuters that the termination of 2:13:14.640 --> 2:13:17.880 the domestic terrorism tracking tool is a quote great step 2:13:18.000 --> 2:13:20.400 in the right direction of returning THE fbi to its 2:13:20.400 --> 2:13:25.200 primary crime fighting mission. Unquote Representative jordan previously in twenty 2:13:25.200 --> 2:13:28.120 twenty three ran a congressional panel that alleged THE fbi 2:13:28.360 --> 2:13:32.280 terrorism case tagging tool was being improperly used to target. 2:13:32.320 --> 2:13:36.120 Conservatives After january, sixth three FORMER fbi agents testified at 2:13:36.160 --> 2:13:39.400 The republican led, panel and two of those former agents 2:13:39.440 --> 2:13:42.880 admitted to being paid By, patel who at the time 2:13:43.120 --> 2:13:45.320 was not director of THE. Fbi he was just a 2:13:45.400 --> 2:13:48.800 right wing. Influencer after being kicked out of the government 2:13:48.920 --> 2:13:53.120 after the First trump. Administration we've also seen The Joint 2:13:53.280 --> 2:13:58.800 Terrorism Task force largely shift their efforts towards immigration, enforcement 2:13:58.920 --> 2:14:02.120 HELPING ice with deeperas rotations and the so called wave 2:14:02.200 --> 2:14:06.880 Of tesla. Terrorism and like the other thing is that 2:14:07.200 --> 2:14:10.440 this new nihilist violent extremism term isn't just replacing A. 2:14:10.480 --> 2:14:13.280 Gave it's not just replacing the anti government or anti 2:14:13.280 --> 2:14:16.920 authority of biolin. Extremism because THE agave term itself has three. 2:14:17.000 --> 2:14:20.600 Subcategories as reference to AN fbi document that outlines domestic 2:14:20.640 --> 2:14:23.560 terrorism activity from twenty fifteen to twenty, nineteen this includes 2:14:23.640 --> 2:14:28.360 militia violent, extremists anarchist violent, extremists and sovereign citizen violent. 2:14:28.360 --> 2:14:31.720 Extremists and even in addition to those, three there's actually 2:14:31.760 --> 2:14:35.400 a newer subclassification from twenty twenty three called A gave, 2:14:35.600 --> 2:14:39.880 other which really isn't a great term at. All this 2:14:39.960 --> 2:14:42.839 is the problem with trying to use these like tracking 2:14:42.840 --> 2:14:45.440 and tagging tools is that they can get very. Convoluted 2:14:45.880 --> 2:14:49.080 but now they've seemingly collapsed all of these and are 2:14:49.160 --> 2:14:50.560 just using the term. 2:14:50.640 --> 2:14:54.560 Nihilism so would you, say like when you bring up 2:14:54.560 --> 2:14:57.280 The tesla, example is one of to be very reductive. 2:14:57.280 --> 2:15:01.520 Here the big risks at play that like someone who 2:15:01.920 --> 2:15:04.640 Starts tesla on fire or causes some damage at A 2:15:05.120 --> 2:15:08.280 tesla dealership largely for the motivation of trying to stick 2:15:08.320 --> 2:15:11.440 it To Elon musk or something like that gets classified 2:15:11.440 --> 2:15:13.920 in a way by THE fbi that is similar to 2:15:14.000 --> 2:15:16.400 some of the folks you have previously talked about exactly 2:15:16.480 --> 2:15:19.360 doing things that most rational humans can agree are deeply 2:15:19.360 --> 2:15:21.000 more insidious than like set a car on. 2:15:21.000 --> 2:15:24.000 Fire they can frame this as like a rejection of. Society, 2:15:24.400 --> 2:15:26.800 yeah the same, Way like there's been talk that they're 2:15:26.800 --> 2:15:29.000 going to try to use this label to explain cases 2:15:29.160 --> 2:15:33.440 like The United HEALTHCARE ceo, shooting ars attack At Josh shapiro's. 2:15:33.480 --> 2:15:36.880 House they're going to be using this term to apply 2:15:36.960 --> 2:15:39.160 to kind of any act that they see is like 2:15:39.200 --> 2:15:42.880 a contrary to like society and civilization and anything that's 2:15:42.880 --> 2:15:47.120 stemming from frustration with. Society and that's a huge. Problem 2:15:47.400 --> 2:15:50.720 and in doing, so they're shifting focus away from like 2:15:50.840 --> 2:15:54.600 right wing militias who do the majority of like actual lethal. 2:15:54.680 --> 2:15:57.960 Violence when these reports from like the past five years talk, 2:15:58.000 --> 2:16:00.960 about you, know militia violent, extremism it talks about how 2:16:00.960 --> 2:16:03.640 there is an increased to lethal threat from these militias 2:16:03.640 --> 2:16:06.800 to law, enforcement the government personnel due to factors related 2:16:06.920 --> 2:16:09.840 to grievances from the perceptions of fraud in the twenty twenty, 2:16:09.880 --> 2:16:14.400 election government measures related TO covid nineteen and legislation to 2:16:14.480 --> 2:16:19.160 restrict firearms or expand immigration or manage public. Land and 2:16:19.200 --> 2:16:20.800 these are the people that do the vast majority of 2:16:20.920 --> 2:16:24.440 planned attacks or executed. Attacks this report between twenty three 2:16:24.680 --> 2:16:28.360 outlines two attempted bombings by militia violenctreamists in early twenty twenty, 2:16:28.440 --> 2:16:31.240 one one by an individual targeted against data center thought 2:16:31.280 --> 2:16:33.840 to provide services to THE fbi AND, cia the author 2:16:33.879 --> 2:16:37.000 by two people against a State Democratic party headquarters In, Sacramento, 2:16:37.040 --> 2:16:40.360 california as well as the quote unquote t do dozens 2:16:40.400 --> 2:16:44.560 of militia violenctarymists arrested for their involvement In january. Sixth 2:16:45.200 --> 2:16:47.440 so even though we're going to take the gas off 2:16:47.480 --> 2:16:50.680 of groups like those as well as as racially motivated, 2:16:50.720 --> 2:16:54.440 violenceremists this definition can still include a lot Of like 2:16:54.480 --> 2:16:57.520 anarchist violent, actremists which the fbidmits into twenty twenty three, 2:16:57.560 --> 2:17:00.960 report are most likely to engage in non lethal criminal 2:17:01.000 --> 2:17:03.199 activity and just impact law enforcement. 2:17:03.240 --> 2:17:06.440 Operations, yeah it makes me think of like climate activism as, 2:17:06.520 --> 2:17:09.280 well and you, know the work of those in the 2:17:09.280 --> 2:17:12.000 climate community that call for like the destruction of equipment 2:17:12.160 --> 2:17:13.640 and not the harm of human life. 2:17:13.680 --> 2:17:14.080 TOTALLY i. 2:17:14.120 --> 2:17:16.000 Mean and the irony of course that you could call 2:17:16.520 --> 2:17:22.480 someone you, know disabling an oil pipeline a nihilist extremists 2:17:22.480 --> 2:17:24.560 when the act they're doing is precisely for the purpose 2:17:24.560 --> 2:17:27.720 of ensuring the continued existence of human civilization on a large. 2:17:27.720 --> 2:17:31.480 Scale that's the big issue, Here like The trump government 2:17:31.560 --> 2:17:33.800 still wants a term that focuses on what some people 2:17:33.840 --> 2:17:37.680 would like colloquially refer to as like accelerationist, terrorism and 2:17:38.040 --> 2:17:41.040 that does encompass some of the extremist violence from the 2:17:41.120 --> 2:17:43.800 weirder corners of the far, right like in the case Of, 2:17:43.840 --> 2:17:47.800 cassup but as well as as like leftists or post 2:17:47.879 --> 2:17:51.720 left like anarchistic. Extremism but in the administration's, mind the 2:17:51.720 --> 2:17:55.440 previous terms for this were tainted by crackdowns on right 2:17:55.440 --> 2:17:59.320 wing or patriot movements After january, Sixth and like the nihilist, 2:17:59.400 --> 2:18:03.120 violence streamism is not replacing the term terrorism, Necessarily like 2:18:03.120 --> 2:18:06.800 the Way clippenstein's suggested in his, article the word terrorism 2:18:06.840 --> 2:18:09.640 appears frequently in these very documents that we've been. Discussing 2:18:10.120 --> 2:18:13.000 nor does the term terrorism have quote unquote limitations in, 2:18:13.080 --> 2:18:16.440 law As clippenstein said that like prevent its use in political. 2:18:16.520 --> 2:18:20.040 Prosecution if, anything it carries kind of special powers of 2:18:20.080 --> 2:18:23.279 punishment which can be over applied to increase the, sentences sway, 2:18:23.440 --> 2:18:27.240 juries and strip. Rights we've seen bills to Label antifa 2:18:27.320 --> 2:18:30.840 as terrorists introduced to this, year the Whole tesla terrorism, 2:18:30.879 --> 2:18:34.160 thing and, historically like the use of terrorism has been 2:18:34.200 --> 2:18:37.119 used as a repression tool In Atlanta's Stop Cop city, 2:18:37.120 --> 2:18:40.200 movement which similarly has like a climate focus like you. 2:18:40.280 --> 2:18:43.920 Mentioned and what this new nihilism term lets them do 2:18:44.080 --> 2:18:46.200 is it allows The drop administration to signal to their 2:18:46.240 --> 2:18:48.200 base that they aren't going to be going after like 2:18:48.320 --> 2:18:53.000 right wing malicious style groups, anymore not anti, government anti authority. Chemists, 2:18:53.440 --> 2:18:55.760 instead they're just going to target zany weirdos who want 2:18:55.760 --> 2:18:59.120 to destroy. Society it's a, looser more flexible term that 2:18:59.120 --> 2:19:01.760 can be applied to a much wider swath of. People 2:19:02.640 --> 2:19:04.200 and like the kind of final THING i want TO 2:19:04.240 --> 2:19:06.320 i want to note here is that four groups like 2:19:06.320 --> 2:19:08.600 like seven six, four we really don't have a good 2:19:08.640 --> 2:19:11.200 term for them like sometimes some people have defended this 2:19:11.280 --> 2:19:14.320 nihilistic term specifically four groups like seven six, four since 2:19:14.320 --> 2:19:17.080 that was where it originally appeared in an industry that 2:19:17.080 --> 2:19:20.760 these groups kind of defy classic. Categorization some of them 2:19:20.800 --> 2:19:23.120 are certainly motivated by racial bias in the case Of, 2:19:23.200 --> 2:19:25.120 cassup who's like tied WITH o AND, a but not 2:19:25.120 --> 2:19:27.400 specifically seven six. Four but a lot of these other 2:19:27.400 --> 2:19:30.480 seven six four guys who are mostly in it for the, 2:19:30.520 --> 2:19:33.600 pedophilia still do have anti government ideologies that they are 2:19:33.680 --> 2:19:36.720 roped in. With, NOW i have seen a few alternative 2:19:36.800 --> 2:19:41.280 terms lofted by certain independent researchers that don't really do 2:19:41.320 --> 2:19:44.080 a good job but are gaining influence Under trump's. Government 2:19:44.480 --> 2:19:48.240 there's this like freelance researcher Named becca or Bicks wrights 2:19:48.600 --> 2:19:52.760 who mostly operates On. Twitter she's proposed the Term satanic 2:19:52.840 --> 2:19:57.360 accelerationism or s act not Good and this kind of 2:19:57.360 --> 2:20:00.440 outlines my problems with this person's research now out because 2:20:00.440 --> 2:20:03.039 all of the legitimate extremism researchers have kind of moved 2:20:03.080 --> 2:20:05.120 away From twitter and are just On Blue. Sky, now 2:20:05.160 --> 2:20:08.560 people like this have like exploded in influence Under elon's 2:20:09.200 --> 2:20:12.080 shepherding Of, twitter and like this this person just spreads 2:20:12.080 --> 2:20:15.520 like satanic panic style writing that appeals to Conservative christian. 2:20:15.560 --> 2:20:19.400 Audiences she boasts about how many mutuals she has with 2:20:19.520 --> 2:20:23.560 These nazi. Terrorists she posts On, rumble she went on Info, 2:20:23.560 --> 2:20:25.680 wars so that kind of tells you everything you need 2:20:25.920 --> 2:20:28.200 to know about this. Person and like a big part 2:20:28.240 --> 2:20:31.400 of her work is trying to downplay the right wing 2:20:31.480 --> 2:20:35.600 and a white supremacist influence in. Extremism she excitedly posted, 2:20:35.800 --> 2:20:38.200 quote THE fbi has coined a new term for this 2:20:38.240 --> 2:20:41.480 type of, individual nihilist bilin. Extremists this makes me so 2:20:41.600 --> 2:20:44.800 happy because it indicates that law enforcement are listening to 2:20:44.840 --> 2:20:47.600 researchers on the ground and are no longer considering these 2:20:47.640 --> 2:20:52.760 groups Neo nazis or quote unquote white. Supremacist so, yeah 2:20:52.800 --> 2:20:55.080 this is a big part of this push is appealing 2:20:55.120 --> 2:20:58.199 to these types of people who don't want their weird 2:20:58.240 --> 2:21:00.760 pedo freaks to be labeled as right, wing even though 2:21:00.760 --> 2:21:04.040 they all are pretty far right wing terrorists in most. 2:21:04.080 --> 2:21:07.879 Cases this researcher also a falsely linked cast up with 2:21:07.959 --> 2:21:11.879 A ukrainian A nazi a group CALLED. Mku she later 2:21:12.000 --> 2:21:15.600 retracted this claim on, substack but left the original viral 2:21:15.640 --> 2:21:20.360 tweet up online Because, hey. Engagement her substack post reads. 2:21:20.400 --> 2:21:22.600 Quote WHEN i first heard the news Of nicota cast, 2:21:22.640 --> 2:21:24.960 up my mind immediately darted to another NINE a AND 2:21:25.200 --> 2:21:28.280 mku linked individual Named. Nicota this turned out to be 2:21:28.320 --> 2:21:31.600 a mere, COINCIDENCE i, know because the Other nikota reached 2:21:31.640 --> 2:21:34.840 out to me personally to. Clarify it's moments like these 2:21:34.920 --> 2:21:36.840 that cause me to reflect on just how big this 2:21:36.920 --> 2:21:40.600 movement really is and just how close to the FIRE i. Am. 2:21:40.879 --> 2:21:43.760 Unquote this is not how you do extremism. Reporting this 2:21:43.800 --> 2:21:46.280 is not how you do. Journalism but this does demonstrate 2:21:46.320 --> 2:21:48.640 kind of the problem with this term is, that, yeah 2:21:48.720 --> 2:21:51.720 groups like this do need a different, term maybe like, 2:21:51.800 --> 2:21:55.240 accelerationists violent. Acreamists that's a term you could use that 2:21:55.720 --> 2:21:58.360 if you're going to remove all the other. Acronyms but 2:21:58.520 --> 2:22:01.080 certainly the nihilism label just kind of complicates things and 2:22:01.360 --> 2:22:04.480 allows for the targeting of just a massive swath of 2:22:04.520 --> 2:22:08.000 the population that could become like political prosecutions that then 2:22:08.040 --> 2:22:11.520 get linked to these child sexual abast material. Cases, okay 2:22:11.959 --> 2:22:16.039 that is my that's my that's my. Script, Michael how 2:22:16.040 --> 2:22:17.000 do you feel about that? 2:22:17.200 --> 2:22:17.560 Info. 2:22:17.680 --> 2:22:18.760 Dump i'm so, sorry. 2:22:18.879 --> 2:22:22.320 TRULY i you know you've AND i can send it to. 2:22:22.400 --> 2:22:25.080 It you've extracted a part of my soul and put 2:22:25.120 --> 2:22:28.879 it into a cosmic. Toilet, TODAY i know more Than 2:22:28.920 --> 2:22:32.520 i've known, before as a as a, human as An, 2:22:32.560 --> 2:22:36.320 american as a. Parent i'm terrified on every. Front and you, 2:22:36.360 --> 2:22:40.800 know my simple guy takeaway here is the, yeah like 2:22:40.920 --> 2:22:44.120 the idea that this is going to both let some 2:22:44.240 --> 2:22:47.400 of the worst folks off the, hook or at least 2:22:47.480 --> 2:22:49.360 make it harder to classify them with the groups that 2:22:49.400 --> 2:22:52.959 should be classified, with while also making it easier to 2:22:53.160 --> 2:22:55.560 lump in forms of what many of us would consider 2:22:55.600 --> 2:23:00.680 more reasonable political activism under that umbrella is quite. Bad 2:23:01.600 --> 2:23:04.840 AND i, think of course for, me due to my 2:23:04.840 --> 2:23:07.920 my pet. Interest you, know all of these instances of 2:23:07.959 --> 2:23:12.640 continuing to, like, pervert and misuse philosophical terms to have 2:23:12.680 --> 2:23:15.840 meanings developed over hundreds and thousands of years for these political, 2:23:15.920 --> 2:23:16.400 ends it is very. 2:23:16.440 --> 2:23:19.240 Upset, Well i'm excited to usher in the new wave 2:23:19.400 --> 2:23:23.039 Of kirkergardian violent extremists who are gonna usher in. 2:23:23.160 --> 2:23:24.039 To get me on a. 2:23:24.080 --> 2:23:24.959 List stop. 2:23:25.040 --> 2:23:30.040 IT i am actually sorry that this went on nearly 2:23:30.080 --> 2:23:32.360 double the length of WHICH i thought it had. Planned 2:23:32.800 --> 2:23:36.720 after such a depressing, Episode i'm gonna ask kind of 2:23:36.760 --> 2:23:40.600 an odd, question what philosophy booked do you think people 2:23:40.600 --> 2:23:44.240 should read in this political, Moment because a lot of 2:23:44.240 --> 2:23:46.360 people are approaching me with like like how DO i stay? 2:23:46.400 --> 2:23:49.640 Sane how DO i stay how DO i like keep 2:23:49.720 --> 2:23:52.720 going when things feel so? Bad and for, Me i've 2:23:52.720 --> 2:23:56.240 always turned to. Philosophy i've been recommending different books to different, 2:23:56.240 --> 2:23:58.640 friends And i'm kind of interested, in like what you 2:23:58.680 --> 2:24:00.720 have to say about kind of what philosophy can offer 2:24:00.840 --> 2:24:03.320 us in these times of like existential. 2:24:03.360 --> 2:24:05.840 Torment, YEAH i mean a really simple one THAT i 2:24:05.879 --> 2:24:09.200 talk about way too much is cure care. Guards the present, 2:24:09.320 --> 2:24:11.600 age which you find in this book Called Two, ages 2:24:11.640 --> 2:24:13.440 that's easy to. Buy it's normally really, cheap or you 2:24:13.480 --> 2:24:16.640 can just read it online. Someplace that kind of describes 2:24:17.280 --> 2:24:21.680 a society in which people get caught up in media 2:24:21.720 --> 2:24:24.640 and reflection and the bs they are told rather than 2:24:24.680 --> 2:24:27.400 developing their subjectivity for. Themselves and think that one's really. 2:24:27.400 --> 2:24:30.879 Great in terms of more contemporary, Stuff i've been Very 2:24:31.000 --> 2:24:34.320 Frederick jamison pilled recently nice AND i THINK i Mean 2:24:34.360 --> 2:24:37.200 i've Read jamison before on and, off but recently dove 2:24:37.240 --> 2:24:40.080 in more. Deeply and there's One, OKAY i have it 2:24:40.080 --> 2:24:41.960 at arms, reach SO i can say that the title 2:24:42.000 --> 2:24:44.920 correctly That i've really been. Enjoying it's called An American. 2:24:45.040 --> 2:24:48.560 Utopia Dual power in The Universal army By Frederick, jamison 2:24:48.640 --> 2:24:52.400 edited by Saw, Voygiak and it's this Large jamison essay 2:24:52.480 --> 2:24:57.280 about what he sees as an alternative for leftist power In, 2:24:57.320 --> 2:25:00.160 america responses from a bunch of other. SCHOLARS i have 2:25:00.240 --> 2:25:03.600 found it very. Interesting but for, me at, LEAST i 2:25:03.720 --> 2:25:08.440 find comfort in the fact that others have accurately diagnosed 2:25:08.480 --> 2:25:11.680 and understood what is happening right now and at least 2:25:11.720 --> 2:25:15.280 give us the tools to understand the, thing so it 2:25:15.320 --> 2:25:16.640 feels less nebulous and. 2:25:16.680 --> 2:25:19.600 Mysterious we don't have to reinvent the wheel all the. Time, 2:25:19.920 --> 2:25:21.720 Yeah and that's something THAT i feel like some leftists 2:25:21.800 --> 2:25:24.960 kind of get trapped, in or it's kind of a 2:25:24.959 --> 2:25:27.720 two sides. Thing is what some people just get fully lost, 2:25:27.760 --> 2:25:31.280 in like the labyrinth of, theory and the other people 2:25:31.280 --> 2:25:34.280 get lost and trying to constantly reinvent or like make 2:25:34.320 --> 2:25:37.080 for the first time stuff that already. Exists, Right AND 2:25:37.320 --> 2:25:40.360 i think there's a really careful balance between like reading 2:25:40.440 --> 2:25:43.800 some stuff so that you can like know what's going 2:25:43.840 --> 2:25:45.920 on and not feel the need to try. To like 2:25:45.959 --> 2:25:49.240 you cause every you, know philosophical evolution to come about 2:25:49.320 --> 2:25:49.959 via your own. 2:25:50.760 --> 2:25:53.160 Thought, yeah you don't have to be the one to do. 2:25:53.160 --> 2:25:54.199 It someone else are you Doing. 2:25:54.160 --> 2:25:55.920 You're not, alone like other people have done, this and 2:25:55.959 --> 2:25:58.040 you should still like think for yourself and still. Compare 2:25:58.280 --> 2:25:59.920 but people have thought about this type of, stuff but 2:26:00.080 --> 2:26:03.439 for people have been in bad political situations, before and 2:26:03.000 --> 2:26:06.760 it's useful to know what they've. Thought and like this is, 2:26:06.800 --> 2:26:09.360 like you, know my work is mostly looking at like 2:26:09.440 --> 2:26:11.800 current events and like trying to track but like extremism 2:26:11.840 --> 2:26:13.560 and like what the government is, doing and you, know 2:26:13.840 --> 2:26:16.959 more information always helps me choose how to navigate in the. 2:26:16.959 --> 2:26:19.280 World that's why do episodes like. This AND i think 2:26:19.280 --> 2:26:21.800 philosophy is just one other side of. That unless you 2:26:21.840 --> 2:26:23.760 have anything else to, say do you want to talk 2:26:23.800 --> 2:26:27.840 about where people can find you? Online and your new YouTube? 2:26:27.920 --> 2:26:33.160 Channel, YEAH i have a recently launched YouTube channel that's 2:26:33.280 --> 2:26:36.720 just under the Name michael Oh burns AND i think 2:26:36.760 --> 2:26:39.800 it's literally just YouTube Slash MICHAEL O burns them quickly. 2:26:39.920 --> 2:26:43.560 Yep YouTube Slash Michael oburns Or i'm gonna be doing 2:26:43.600 --> 2:26:47.600 more stuff quite, regularly extremes and video, essays largely doing 2:26:47.720 --> 2:26:49.360 some of the stuff we were just talking, about using 2:26:49.560 --> 2:26:52.000 philosophy and concepts from theory and from theory to try 2:26:52.040 --> 2:26:54.640 to understand what's going on in both the political and 2:26:54.680 --> 2:26:56.720 like the social and interpersonal, Levels Like i'm working on 2:26:56.760 --> 2:27:01.040 a Thing i'm excited about on like, depression, capitalism and mental. 2:27:01.040 --> 2:27:03.680 Health so, yeah And i'm on all most of the 2:27:03.720 --> 2:27:06.480 social Media's i'm Just Michael burns Or MICHAEL. O, burns 2:27:06.520 --> 2:27:09.480 relatively easy to find on most. 2:27:09.520 --> 2:27:12.440 Places, well thank you so, Much michael for joining me 2:27:12.480 --> 2:27:16.000 in this dive through the darkest depths of The internet 2:27:16.080 --> 2:27:21.840 and the extremism milieu that is festering In america and. 2:27:21.959 --> 2:27:23.440 Abroad thanks for having. 2:27:23.480 --> 2:27:45.760 Me welcome to it could happen. 2:27:45.800 --> 2:27:49.480 Here I'm Robert, evans and this is a podcast about 2:27:49.600 --> 2:27:52.640 things falling, apart which they always seem to be these, 2:27:52.800 --> 2:27:56.440 days and in, particular this is an episode about what 2:27:56.560 --> 2:27:58.920 to expect out of the next six months to a. 2:27:59.000 --> 2:28:02.920 Year if you're not sure what else to, do try 2:28:02.959 --> 2:28:06.160 and spread. CALM i first learned this lesson back in 2:28:06.200 --> 2:28:10.600 twenty sixteen hanging out with Perennial libertarian presidential Candidate Vermin 2:28:10.680 --> 2:28:14.440 supreme during the protests around that Year's Democratic invention In. 2:28:14.480 --> 2:28:17.920 Philadelphia if you've never had the pleasure of Seeing vermin 2:28:18.000 --> 2:28:21.120 at a, protest he's essentially a rodeo clown for riot, 2:28:21.120 --> 2:28:23.800 cops and his example taught me a lot about how 2:28:23.800 --> 2:28:27.000 to communicate to a group of, angry scared people in tense. 2:28:27.040 --> 2:28:31.039 Situations those lessons came in handy for me back in twenty. 2:28:31.080 --> 2:28:34.920 Twenty but The George Floyd uprising is now almost five 2:28:35.000 --> 2:28:38.039 years in the. Past trump is once again in. Power 2:28:38.520 --> 2:28:41.320 very little seems to stand between him and the exercise 2:28:41.360 --> 2:28:44.959 of a kind of, arbitrary dictatorial violence that this nation 2:28:45.080 --> 2:28:48.840 has seldom seen within its own, borders but as often sponsored, 2:28:48.840 --> 2:28:52.520 elsewhere Including El, salvador Where trump has sent hundreds Of 2:28:52.560 --> 2:28:56.800 american residents and plans to send, thousands perhaps tens of thousands. 2:28:56.840 --> 2:29:00.240 More the purpose of this essay is to provide my 2:29:00.280 --> 2:29:03.120 predictions for the next six months to a. Year What 2:29:03.200 --> 2:29:06.039 i'm writing here is, speculative but it is based on 2:29:06.120 --> 2:29:09.360 the best DATA i have available and numerous Conversations i've 2:29:09.360 --> 2:29:14.120 had with activists current federal, employees former, soldiers and retired law. 2:29:14.160 --> 2:29:17.600 Enforcement there are a million places WHERE i could, start 2:29:17.680 --> 2:29:20.200 BUT i feel like the most responsible place to begin 2:29:20.560 --> 2:29:23.959 is by answering this, question is now the time to? 2:29:24.040 --> 2:29:29.039 Panic last, year After biden's disastrous debate, PERFORMANCE i put 2:29:29.080 --> 2:29:32.520 out a podcast essay Titled Don't. Panic it was my 2:29:32.680 --> 2:29:36.200 most shared episode of this podcast that, year AND i 2:29:36.280 --> 2:29:39.680 felt pretty good about the response Until trump won, again 2:29:39.760 --> 2:29:42.119 AND i found it briefly impossible to take my own. 2:29:42.200 --> 2:29:46.480 Advice Since january of twenty twenty, five the fascist takeover 2:29:46.560 --> 2:29:49.400 has only, accelerated AND i have lost count of the 2:29:49.480 --> 2:29:52.080 number of people who've asked, me is it time to? 2:29:52.160 --> 2:29:56.039 Panic the answer to that is still, no but not 2:29:56.160 --> 2:29:59.320 because there's no reason to. Panic in, fact panic is 2:29:59.360 --> 2:30:02.800 a natural reaction to our present. Moment if your fight 2:30:02.920 --> 2:30:06.480 or flight reflexes haven't been, triggered well they might be. 2:30:06.560 --> 2:30:12.200 Broken even, so don't, panic because in combat and, disasters 2:30:12.240 --> 2:30:16.520 in any dangerous situation you might find yourself panic is 2:30:16.520 --> 2:30:20.040 what will kill you as surely as anything. Else there's 2:30:20.080 --> 2:30:23.400 a concept in military THEORY i bring up, often something 2:30:23.480 --> 2:30:27.280 introduced to soldiers undergoing training. Today it's called the ode. 2:30:27.360 --> 2:30:31.199 Loop it describes the process people go through while acting 2:30:31.240 --> 2:30:35.160 and reacting under, fire and particularly while deciding how to 2:30:35.320 --> 2:30:39.880 act and react under. Fire it stands for, observe, orient, 2:30:40.120 --> 2:30:43.760 decide and. Act if you can interrupt any part of that, 2:30:43.840 --> 2:30:46.879 loop you can stop your enemy from fighting back. Effectively 2:30:47.440 --> 2:30:50.360 the basic principle of THE oda loop functions on the 2:30:50.360 --> 2:30:52.760 grand strategy scale as well as it does in a. 2:30:52.760 --> 2:30:56.320 Gunfight this is the point behind the flood the zone, 2:30:56.360 --> 2:30:59.920 strategy orchestrated By Stephen miller and the other intellectual loom 2:31:00.040 --> 2:31:03.840 and aaries Behind trump. Too the fire hose of outrage 2:31:03.879 --> 2:31:07.039 is to distract you from observing everything that's, happening to 2:31:07.120 --> 2:31:10.520 keep you off balance so you can't orient, yourself to 2:31:10.600 --> 2:31:15.080 stop you from deciding and. Acting Elon musk's purchase Of 2:31:15.120 --> 2:31:19.360 twitter helped to supercharge the bullshit. CANON ai accelerated the 2:31:19.400 --> 2:31:22.640 spread of lies on social media beyond all of our worst, 2:31:22.760 --> 2:31:26.600 nightmares and this has helped blind and divide the people 2:31:26.640 --> 2:31:29.440 who should have linked arms to stop this shit before 2:31:29.480 --> 2:31:32.080 it got to the point that it's at. TODAY i 2:31:32.120 --> 2:31:34.440 want you to think of how many prominent leftists have 2:31:34.480 --> 2:31:38.080 fallen repeatedly for right wing propaganda like. That russia would 2:31:38.120 --> 2:31:41.680 never Invade, ukraine or That trump might actually be somehow 2:31:41.720 --> 2:31:45.200 better For. Gaza these and a million other things have 2:31:45.280 --> 2:31:49.120 blinded and hobbled potential. RESISTANCE i might also bring up 2:31:49.160 --> 2:31:51.920 the Whole maga communist, movement but the less set about those, 2:31:51.959 --> 2:31:56.720 people the. Better, meanwhile columnists at liberal legacy publications Like 2:31:56.760 --> 2:31:59.360 The times have fallen for every hyped up story about 2:31:59.400 --> 2:32:03.120 transgender athletes or woke kids on college, campuses and the 2:32:03.200 --> 2:32:06.720 danger of the illiberal left poses to free. Speech they've 2:32:06.720 --> 2:32:10.520 denied genocide and demonized those who protest against, it and 2:32:10.600 --> 2:32:13.360 too many Elected democrats have taken their lead as the 2:32:13.400 --> 2:32:17.360 path of least. Resistance many have pulled right for reasons 2:32:17.400 --> 2:32:20.680 far more. Sinister the fact That Gavin, newsom governor Of, 2:32:20.720 --> 2:32:24.760 california is hosting fascists on his new podcasts while mailing 2:32:24.800 --> 2:32:29.279 burner phones to tech CEOs points towards something, dark, immediate. 2:32:29.840 --> 2:32:34.199 Deadly we live now in the culmination of a successful 2:32:34.400 --> 2:32:37.480 decades long plot, two in the words Of Curtis, jarvin 2:32:37.840 --> 2:32:41.120 repeal the twentieth century and turn this nation into a 2:32:41.160 --> 2:32:45.520 dictatorship where our lives and our collective national arsenal are 2:32:45.560 --> 2:32:48.800 the personal property of some dudes who inherited oil money 2:32:49.080 --> 2:32:51.680 or invested In facebook back in like two thousand and. 2:32:51.680 --> 2:32:55.400 Five the early stages of the, plan of, course date 2:32:55.480 --> 2:32:58.640 back well Before Peter tiele Or Elon musk Or Donald 2:32:58.720 --> 2:33:02.400 trump begin and when a coalition of would be oligarchs 2:33:02.440 --> 2:33:05.120 tried to OVERTHROW fdr in what has become known as 2:33:05.160 --> 2:33:07.920 The Business, plot and were thwarted by A marine general 2:33:08.000 --> 2:33:11.600 Named Smedley. Butler these men wanted revenge for The New, 2:33:11.640 --> 2:33:14.720 deal but they found seizing power at the top harder 2:33:14.720 --> 2:33:17.920 than they'd, hoped and so they embarked on a, slower 2:33:18.320 --> 2:33:22.560 bottom up. Approach hence The John Birch, society the creation 2:33:22.680 --> 2:33:25.600 of countless think, tanks and the generation's long effort to 2:33:25.640 --> 2:33:28.800 stack The Supreme. Court the war on abortion was a 2:33:28.840 --> 2:33:32.879 concerted step towards this, plan an artificial creation alongside the 2:33:32.920 --> 2:33:36.760 birth of the religious right as a political. Coalition there 2:33:36.840 --> 2:33:39.120 was initially a small group of men at the center 2:33:39.200 --> 2:33:42.440 of the, web guys Like William Brignery won And William 2:33:42.440 --> 2:33:46.760 Brignery doo Or Paul. Wayrich but the engine of cultural 2:33:46.760 --> 2:33:49.440 and political change forged from the late forties to the 2:33:49.520 --> 2:33:52.480 nineteen seventies was so successful that at some point it 2:33:52.520 --> 2:33:55.840 became self, perpetuating and when a gaggle of tech bros 2:33:55.879 --> 2:33:58.400 found themselves with more wealth than any humans had ever, 2:33:58.440 --> 2:34:01.640 held the machine was there to mold them and to 2:34:01.680 --> 2:34:04.760 be used by. Them it's all worked so damn well 2:34:04.800 --> 2:34:07.520 that many PEOPLE i know have lost hope. Entirely we're, 2:34:07.560 --> 2:34:10.080 fucked goes the. Script they're gonna send us to the, 2:34:10.160 --> 2:34:13.879 camps and they can't be, stopped at least not without apocalyptic. 2:34:13.920 --> 2:34:18.959 Bloodshed well that's not necessarily. So now people have already 2:34:19.000 --> 2:34:21.560 died as a result of this, administration a lot of, 2:34:21.600 --> 2:34:25.199 them and that will continue to. Happen but a collapse 2:34:25.240 --> 2:34:28.760 into total carnage is not, inevitable nor is a future 2:34:28.800 --> 2:34:30.119 that offers us nothing but a. 2:34:30.080 --> 2:34:30.840 Boot upon our. 2:34:30.920 --> 2:34:34.120 Necks despite the money that went into building this is 2:34:34.160 --> 2:34:37.000 a new house made with cheap, materials and there are 2:34:37.080 --> 2:34:40.760 already cracks in the. Foundation so my first prediction for 2:34:40.800 --> 2:34:45.039 the coming months is, This the cracks will, widen and 2:34:45.080 --> 2:34:48.200 we'll talk about, that but, first as we're obligated to, 2:34:48.280 --> 2:35:01.720 do here's some. Ads trump and the men who swim 2:35:01.760 --> 2:35:05.200 in his wake signal only. Strength honesty is neither in 2:35:05.280 --> 2:35:08.320 their interest nor a strong. Suit But Curtis, yarvin chief 2:35:08.360 --> 2:35:11.720 profit of the Neo reactionaries And Peter teel's pet, philosopher 2:35:12.200 --> 2:35:15.000 is in a different. Position he knows people in power 2:35:15.120 --> 2:35:17.120 listen to some of what he has to, say and 2:35:17.200 --> 2:35:20.320 over the last few months his profile has risen. ENORMOUSLY 2:35:20.760 --> 2:35:22.959 i can take credit for at least tiny amount of. 2:35:22.959 --> 2:35:27.039 That many normal liberals and Elected democrats now know who he. 2:35:27.320 --> 2:35:30.600 Is this exposes him to a danger that was not 2:35:30.720 --> 2:35:33.959 present for him During trump's first. Term if the current 2:35:34.000 --> 2:35:37.000 fascist salience should be pushed back and this movement, fails 2:35:37.560 --> 2:35:41.640 there could be and should be, Prosecutions and he rightly 2:35:41.680 --> 2:35:43.760 fears that if this, happens he might follow in the 2:35:43.760 --> 2:35:47.760 footsteps Of Alfred, rosenberg The nazi high theoretician who was 2:35:47.840 --> 2:35:52.000 executed At. Nuremberg that's why On march sixth he published 2:35:52.000 --> 2:35:56.080 a messi, sprawling seven thousand word essay Titled barbarians And 2:35:56.160 --> 2:36:00.800 mandarins in his trademark nigh unreadable. Style it comes with the. 2:36:00.840 --> 2:36:04.680 Subheading as soon as it stops, accelerating it stalls and. 2:36:04.800 --> 2:36:08.240 Explodes if you want to spare yourself the headache of 2:36:08.320 --> 2:36:11.680 reading through one tenth of a novel of yarvins at 2:36:11.760 --> 2:36:14.879 best turgid. Prose there's a good article by the Nerd 2:36:14.920 --> 2:36:17.480 reich that breaks all this. Down we'll link it in 2:36:17.520 --> 2:36:20.760 the show, notes but the gist is That yarvin Thinks 2:36:20.879 --> 2:36:23.720 musk And trump have been too, slow have embraced too 2:36:23.800 --> 2:36:28.640 many half, measures and the whole authoritarian project is careening towards. Disaster. 2:36:29.240 --> 2:36:33.480 Quote unless the spectacular earthquakes Of january And february are 2:36:33.560 --> 2:36:36.520 dwarfed In march And april by new and unprecedented abuses 2:36:36.520 --> 2:36:39.120 of The richter, scale The trump regime will start to 2:36:39.160 --> 2:36:42.680 wither and eventually. Dissipate it cannot stay at its current 2:36:42.760 --> 2:36:45.000 level of, power which is too high to sustain but 2:36:45.040 --> 2:36:48.280 too low to. Succeed it has to keep doing things 2:36:48.360 --> 2:36:51.000 that have never been done. Before as soon as it stops, 2:36:51.040 --> 2:36:55.760 accelerating it stalls and. Explodes now the week's since have 2:36:55.920 --> 2:36:59.600 seen massive and rising public awareness Of seacott the terrorism 2:36:59.640 --> 2:37:02.240 TO tenh facility In El salvador being used as a 2:37:02.280 --> 2:37:06.000 concentration camp by The trump. Regime this might rightly be 2:37:06.080 --> 2:37:09.560 called a new and unprecedented. Abuse but there's a couple 2:37:09.600 --> 2:37:11.720 of issues, Here at least as far As yarvin sees. 2:37:11.760 --> 2:37:14.880 Them for one, thing the people targeted there have been, 2:37:15.840 --> 2:37:19.600 migrants people who are in THE us either illegally or 2:37:19.600 --> 2:37:22.120 in THE us on visas that have been, revoked people 2:37:22.160 --> 2:37:25.160 who have been accused of being part Of, trindagua but 2:37:25.680 --> 2:37:29.000 not the people That yarvin wants to see, liquidated, because 2:37:29.040 --> 2:37:31.680 as he writes in this, column the thing that he 2:37:31.760 --> 2:37:34.600 thinks The trump administration should be doing right now is 2:37:34.959 --> 2:37:39.920 quite literally gassing media personalities and politicians who don't align 2:37:39.959 --> 2:37:44.560 with his, viewpoint basically literally killing the. Opposition and since 2:37:44.560 --> 2:37:47.039 he's shown to be unwilling to do, that the fact 2:37:47.080 --> 2:37:50.320 that he's shipping people to concentration camps on its own 2:37:50.600 --> 2:37:54.720 isn't terrifying. Enough, now the other thing that's Concerning yarvin 2:37:55.200 --> 2:37:58.080 is that while the use of this facility In El 2:37:58.160 --> 2:38:01.320 salvador as a foreign concentration camp by The trump regime 2:38:01.480 --> 2:38:05.840 is terrifying and is, unprecedented it's also been met with 2:38:05.920 --> 2:38:10.400 a significant, response one that burges on unprecedented. Itself i'm 2:38:10.440 --> 2:38:13.000 not just talking about the protests or of the Recent 2:38:13.040 --> 2:38:16.839 Supreme court ruling ordering a temporary halt of such. Deportations 2:38:17.200 --> 2:38:19.680 i'm referring to something else that's happened due to the 2:38:19.720 --> 2:38:22.720 sheer panic caused by the knowledge that our president has 2:38:22.760 --> 2:38:26.600 a concentration camp and has been talking about SHIPPING us 2:38:26.640 --> 2:38:30.240 citizen dissidents. There i'm talking about stuff like the fact 2:38:30.280 --> 2:38:33.640 that formerly conservative Columnist Bill crystal is now calling for 2:38:33.680 --> 2:38:37.760 the outright abolition Of, ice and the arch Neoliberal Mealymouth 2:38:37.879 --> 2:38:40.560 David brooks calling for a general strike in the pages 2:38:40.600 --> 2:38:43.279 of The New York times while quoting from The Communist. 2:38:43.320 --> 2:38:46.959 Manifesto this is more than just a vibe. Shift it's 2:38:46.959 --> 2:38:50.520 an open realization and acceptance by prominent people who are 2:38:50.560 --> 2:38:55.320 neither radical nor revolutionaries that any, action even the formerly, 2:38:55.400 --> 2:39:01.320 unimaginable might be necessary and justified in this. Region, now 2:39:01.520 --> 2:39:04.400 make no. Mistake first, off this is because a lot 2:39:04.400 --> 2:39:07.800 of these people are worried about their own privileges going 2:39:07.840 --> 2:39:11.760 away under a dictatorial. Regime but that doesn't change the 2:39:11.800 --> 2:39:14.840 fact that this is a crack in the very foundation 2:39:15.000 --> 2:39:19.040 of the authoritarian power. Structure yarvin is scared, then because 2:39:19.080 --> 2:39:22.360 we weren't supposed to be here. Now harvard was supposed 2:39:22.360 --> 2:39:25.040 to have folded Like columbia and then have been slowly 2:39:25.080 --> 2:39:28.560 and quietly. Liquidated the tame press was supposed to turn 2:39:28.600 --> 2:39:31.680 wholly for the regime or be, disappeared not Quote Karl 2:39:31.720 --> 2:39:34.480 marx and urge people into the streets to do a general. 2:39:34.560 --> 2:39:37.640 Strike SO i don't find all this cheery BECAUSE i 2:39:37.640 --> 2:39:40.600 Think David brooks is going to become Shithead Shay. GUEVARA 2:39:41.240 --> 2:39:44.320 i am, embraced, however by the failure that this represents 2:39:44.320 --> 2:39:47.800 for them and above us who seek unchecked. Dominance cracks 2:39:47.840 --> 2:39:50.520 are also visible in the recent history Of Elon, musk 2:39:50.720 --> 2:39:53.120 who has watched the value of the stock that underpins 2:39:53.120 --> 2:39:57.039 his whole empire. Collapse he fought desperately to Convince trump 2:39:57.160 --> 2:39:59.520 not to go through with the tariffs that would punish it. 2:39:59.600 --> 2:40:03.199 Further the result we See trump assuring his inner circle 2:40:03.200 --> 2:40:05.800 That elon is on the way, out While musk himself 2:40:05.840 --> 2:40:08.080 prepares to step back from doge in the hope that 2:40:08.120 --> 2:40:11.960 it will somehow protect the remainder of his. Ambitions these 2:40:11.959 --> 2:40:15.279 are all good, signs and the damage will continue to. Spread, 2:40:16.080 --> 2:40:19.480 however and this brings me to my next. Prediction The 2:40:19.520 --> 2:40:23.360 empire's gonna strike. Back we are in for a hot, 2:40:23.400 --> 2:40:26.000 summer my, friends and there's no way around. THAT i 2:40:26.040 --> 2:40:28.160 mean this in the literal, sense that it will probably 2:40:28.240 --> 2:40:30.800 be the hottest summer on, record although that fact will 2:40:30.840 --> 2:40:33.840 be true of every subsequent summer in our. Lives BUT 2:40:33.920 --> 2:40:35.520 i also mean this in the sense that things are 2:40:35.520 --> 2:40:38.119 going to cook off in the streets very. Soon this 2:40:38.160 --> 2:40:40.879 is something the administration has quite openly been waiting to. 2:40:40.959 --> 2:40:43.720 See trump has made no secret of his desire to 2:40:43.760 --> 2:40:46.600 use The Insurrection act not only at the, border but 2:40:46.680 --> 2:40:49.680 to SEND us troops INTO us cities to crush riots 2:40:49.680 --> 2:40:53.400 and punish leftist. Demonstrators this was a desire hatched in 2:40:53.480 --> 2:40:56.440 reaction to The George floyd, uprising and it always seems 2:40:56.480 --> 2:40:59.080 to be envisioned by the right as targeted against black 2:40:59.120 --> 2:41:03.879 clad antifa. Types the reality is that anti fascists have 2:41:04.000 --> 2:41:06.200 not been a consistent presence on the ground around the 2:41:06.200 --> 2:41:08.640 country for some, time at least not organizing in the 2:41:08.640 --> 2:41:11.160 way that they were back when antifa was a. Buzzword 2:41:11.480 --> 2:41:13.920 there are numerous reasons for, this but the biggest is 2:41:13.920 --> 2:41:17.160 that the fascist movement has moved beyond waving flags in 2:41:17.200 --> 2:41:19.600 the street and getting into fist fights to try and scare. 2:41:19.640 --> 2:41:22.760 PEOPLE a lot of them are running federal law enforcement 2:41:22.800 --> 2:41:26.160 agencies in the. Military now Proud boys just tain't a, 2:41:26.200 --> 2:41:29.040 priority not for those on the left who want to stop, 2:41:29.080 --> 2:41:33.760 this or frankly for the. ADMINISTRATION i expect protests around 2:41:33.760 --> 2:41:36.160 the country in the coming months for several, reasons but 2:41:36.200 --> 2:41:39.120 the likeliest event to provoke severe civil disruption has a 2:41:39.200 --> 2:41:42.360 rise in food, prices in the rise of everything else in, 2:41:42.440 --> 2:41:46.120 price as well as a collapsing economy courtesy of the president's. 2:41:46.160 --> 2:41:49.720 Tariffs there are already numerous signs of, this both in 2:41:49.800 --> 2:41:52.480 terms of the volume of shipping coming into The United 2:41:52.520 --> 2:41:56.520 states and early signs of collapsing crop yields in The United. 2:41:56.560 --> 2:41:59.440 States and this is where a study of history helps one, 2:41:59.440 --> 2:42:03.959 out because nothing but nothing brings down regimes like rising bread, 2:42:04.000 --> 2:42:07.560 prizes and any attempt to crack down will be stymy 2:42:07.640 --> 2:42:09.680 by the fact that a decent chunk of the elites 2:42:09.920 --> 2:42:14.320 who Backed trump before will be suffering. Too, obviously the 2:42:14.320 --> 2:42:17.039 people closest to him are making bank off the economic 2:42:17.200 --> 2:42:20.880 upswings and downswings over the whole teriff. Issue but there's 2:42:20.879 --> 2:42:23.440 a lot of other, people people who supported, him people 2:42:23.440 --> 2:42:25.720 who thought he had their, back who weren't quite close 2:42:25.800 --> 2:42:28.520 enough to, power and they're Watching trump shoot their own 2:42:28.560 --> 2:42:31.920 fortunes in the kneecap because they built their money on free. 2:42:31.959 --> 2:42:35.160 TRADE i won't pretend to know where things are gonna 2:42:35.200 --> 2:42:38.000 pop off or will be the, hottest but the evidence 2:42:38.000 --> 2:42:40.879 shows the regime at least Expects, washington D C to 2:42:40.879 --> 2:42:44.520 play a central role in what comes. Next Republican congress 2:42:44.520 --> 2:42:48.280 members recently reintroduced a bill to repeal DC's self, rule 2:42:48.600 --> 2:42:51.520 And trump Appointed Ed martin to be the city, attorney 2:42:51.800 --> 2:42:54.320 a man, who in the words OF Usa today Columnist 2:42:54.400 --> 2:42:59.600 Chris brennan, quote lacks experience but loves. Revenge, now the 2:42:59.640 --> 2:43:02.200 fact That Elon musk and His doze cronies left so 2:43:02.320 --> 2:43:05.120 many in the city and the surrounding area unemployed after 2:43:05.160 --> 2:43:08.160 their purge of the administrative state means that there's an 2:43:08.200 --> 2:43:11.760 even higher number of, motivated angry people with free time 2:43:11.840 --> 2:43:16.520 and experiencing organizing, large complex systems who have nothing to 2:43:16.600 --> 2:43:20.320 do right. NOW a similar set of circumstances brought us 2:43:20.320 --> 2:43:22.959 to the twenty twenty. Uprisings this was not just a 2:43:23.000 --> 2:43:25.360 product of the months of isolation or of the brutality 2:43:25.360 --> 2:43:28.120 Of George floyd's, murder but of the sheer number of 2:43:28.160 --> 2:43:30.720 people who were out of work and who were finally 2:43:30.760 --> 2:43:33.240 given a chance to take out their anxiety at an 2:43:33.280 --> 2:43:38.240 authoritarian president tightening his. Grip and today that grip is 2:43:38.280 --> 2:43:41.200 even tighter and the danger more. Real we have a 2:43:41.240 --> 2:43:44.720 president openly discussing his desire to Put american citizens in 2:43:44.760 --> 2:43:48.520 a foreign concentration. Camp trump and his inner circle are 2:43:48.520 --> 2:43:51.800 hoping for protests that stay isolated TO dc and perhaps 2:43:51.840 --> 2:43:55.280 a few major blue, Cities portland and the. Like this 2:43:55.320 --> 2:43:58.120 would provide an opportunity to send in the, troops to 2:43:58.240 --> 2:44:01.119 utilize The Insurrection act to s people in the, street 2:44:01.320 --> 2:44:04.080 and to send some ring leaders off to L. Salvador 2:44:04.840 --> 2:44:07.120 this would be the riskiest option For trump in some. 2:44:07.240 --> 2:44:10.520 Ways Pete hegseth has not been a competent or Popular 2:44:10.600 --> 2:44:13.280 secretary Of, defense and ASKING us troops to fire on 2:44:13.360 --> 2:44:16.959 protesters opens up the risk that some junior officer might 2:44:17.040 --> 2:44:20.400 bulk at that, order which could create a cascading chain of. 2:44:20.440 --> 2:44:25.080 Disobedience such things have sparked rapid collapse in other dictatorships throughout. 2:44:25.120 --> 2:44:27.080 History there's also the. 2:44:27.080 --> 2:44:30.760 Chance that spectacular and comprehensive violence by the military might 2:44:30.840 --> 2:44:34.359 succeed and thus strangle any protest movement in the. Cradle 2:44:34.959 --> 2:44:37.520 so we might call this the high risk high reward, 2:44:37.640 --> 2:44:40.320 option AND i should note That Donald trump has more 2:44:40.320 --> 2:44:43.160 than a few times in the past chosen the high, 2:44:43.280 --> 2:44:46.760 risk high reward, option SO i don't consider this. Unlikely 2:44:47.400 --> 2:44:49.760 but it won't be lost On trump or his cronies 2:44:49.840 --> 2:44:52.279 that the violence which met the first protest in twenty 2:44:52.320 --> 2:44:56.400 twenty provoke the largest domestic uprising and living. Memory people 2:44:56.400 --> 2:44:59.080 have not forgotten, this and some blue State democrats have 2:44:59.120 --> 2:45:03.120 even made let's, say confusing noises to that. Effect case in, 2:45:03.200 --> 2:45:06.400 Point Governor Bob ferguson Of washington just signed a bill 2:45:06.520 --> 2:45:10.040 barring other State National guard units from Entering washington without 2:45:10.040 --> 2:45:14.080 his approval unless they were mobilized by The. President, now 2:45:14.480 --> 2:45:16.160 as that last part might key you when, on this 2:45:16.160 --> 2:45:18.360 bill doesn't have a lot of legal force or any 2:45:18.480 --> 2:45:21.200 really at, all but it's a sign that even fairly 2:45:21.280 --> 2:45:24.480 milk toast Elected democrats are starting to consider the real 2:45:24.520 --> 2:45:28.680 possibility of a federal invasion of their. States The president 2:45:28.760 --> 2:45:31.400 has discussed sending out of state troops into blue cities, 2:45:31.440 --> 2:45:34.800 before largely in the context of cracking down on immigration 2:45:34.879 --> 2:45:38.960 and sanctuary. Cities this is all dangerous, language but going 2:45:39.080 --> 2:45:42.480 further than just language carries risk for the regime. TOO 2:45:42.600 --> 2:45:44.560 i would not be shocked if we were to see 2:45:44.600 --> 2:45:49.120 The Texas National guard or, whoever whichever state occupying let's Say, 2:45:49.320 --> 2:45:52.840 chicago after federal law enforcement makes good on the threats 2:45:52.840 --> 2:45:55.240 that have been made by members of The trump administration 2:45:55.360 --> 2:45:59.640 to arrest governors who aid in a bet undocumented migrants LIKE. Jb, 2:45:59.640 --> 2:46:02.920 Pritzker and an act like that would surely spark mass 2:46:02.959 --> 2:46:07.120 protests In chicago and very likely. Elsewhere the fact that 2:46:07.240 --> 2:46:09.959 a move like that would have such a risk of 2:46:10.080 --> 2:46:14.200 sparking mass, resistance as well as further legal, challenges might 2:46:14.280 --> 2:46:18.199 keep The trump administration focused on smaller fish and less dangerous, 2:46:18.200 --> 2:46:21.240 outrages at least for the time. Being and if that's 2:46:21.280 --> 2:46:24.480 the route they, CHOOSE i think something different might be. 2:46:24.680 --> 2:46:28.279 Likely AND i call this potential path forward the pressure, 2:46:28.320 --> 2:46:32.480 cooker and we'll talk about, that but, first here's more. 2:46:32.520 --> 2:46:46.520 Ads when public unrest exploded in twenty, twenty it did 2:46:46.560 --> 2:46:49.800 so after four solid years of build. Up if you'll, 2:46:49.840 --> 2:46:53.600 remember the earliest fascist anti fascist street clashes of that, 2:46:53.680 --> 2:46:57.720 period started before the twenty sixteen, elections were largely focused 2:46:57.760 --> 2:47:01.440 around speeches at campuses by right wing bocketeurs and dueling 2:47:01.480 --> 2:47:04.760 demonstrations in a handful of. Cities the first wave of 2:47:04.800 --> 2:47:08.959 such activity crested In charlottesville twenty seventeen with tragic, results 2:47:09.200 --> 2:47:11.320 but the vibe it set and the people it trained 2:47:11.400 --> 2:47:13.920 continued to take part in street, actions and many of 2:47:13.959 --> 2:47:17.520 them formed the infrastructural core of the movement that exploded 2:47:17.560 --> 2:47:20.960 onto the scene After George floyd's. Murder the last year 2:47:20.959 --> 2:47:24.039 of serious protests have focused more on the genocide And 2:47:24.080 --> 2:47:26.920 gaza than, anything and it's not coincidental that the first 2:47:27.000 --> 2:47:30.440 wave of deportations have heavily targeted legal residents who took 2:47:30.480 --> 2:47:34.200 part in those. Demonstrations Since trump took office AND doze 2:47:34.200 --> 2:47:37.040 started doing its, thing there have been more large scale 2:47:37.080 --> 2:47:40.080 demos that focused directly on the. Regime, now these have 2:47:40.160 --> 2:47:42.720 been quite manageable from the regime's point of, view and 2:47:42.760 --> 2:47:45.279 they have not yet attracted the same kind of, crackdown 2:47:45.680 --> 2:47:48.000 but that won't remain the case as people grow more. 2:47:48.080 --> 2:47:51.880 Desperate any fool can see that the apparatus of repression 2:47:51.920 --> 2:47:55.720 constructed to punish genocide protesters will be turned on, democrats 2:47:55.800 --> 2:47:58.800 former federal, employees and people who are just hungry and 2:47:58.840 --> 2:48:03.119 pissed about rising food. Prizes, however this represents another tight 2:48:03.240 --> 2:48:07.080 rope scenario for the. Regime these demonstrations are, large and 2:48:07.240 --> 2:48:11.039 unlike student protests Against, israel the media has proved less 2:48:11.120 --> 2:48:15.320 eager to marginalize the participants as. Extremists as time goes 2:48:15.360 --> 2:48:18.200 on and things get, worse folks who last year scoffed 2:48:18.200 --> 2:48:22.440 at college students occupying campus buildings may themselves consider if 2:48:22.520 --> 2:48:25.200 perhaps it might be time to fox some shit. Up 2:48:25.840 --> 2:48:29.040 this will be an uneven, process with sudden leaps forward 2:48:29.280 --> 2:48:33.040 and pulls, back and it will provoke an equally uneven state. 2:48:33.080 --> 2:48:36.880 Response there will be attempts to send so called instigators 2:48:36.879 --> 2:48:41.120 and organizers. Overseas du Will salvador unless the public reaction to, 2:48:41.200 --> 2:48:44.240 this which is building AS i, type continues to escalate 2:48:44.280 --> 2:48:47.480 to the extent that it becomes. Unfeasible if, so there 2:48:47.520 --> 2:48:51.320 are ample domestic locations to detain or even disappear those 2:48:51.360 --> 2:48:55.480 the regime considers. Dangerous first on the chopping block will 2:48:55.480 --> 2:48:57.800 be the people whose heads are currently closest to the, 2:48:57.840 --> 2:49:02.000 blade organizers and demonstrators against, genocide whose citizenship is not 2:49:02.120 --> 2:49:06.519 at all in. QUESTION i expect if, large disruptive demonstrations 2:49:06.560 --> 2:49:09.640 do threaten the administration's, hold they will also start to 2:49:09.640 --> 2:49:13.320 our Target antifa, again which will start with the targeting 2:49:13.360 --> 2:49:15.879 of longtime, activists many of whom would have been people 2:49:16.000 --> 2:49:18.200 arrested or at least heavily surveiled in twenty. 2:49:18.280 --> 2:49:20.640 Twenty, however it won't. 2:49:20.400 --> 2:49:24.560 End, there and it will quickly expand to Elected, democrats 2:49:24.840 --> 2:49:28.000 new people organizing, protests folks who have never had anything 2:49:28.040 --> 2:49:30.240 to do with any of the kind of anti fascist 2:49:30.280 --> 2:49:33.840 actions that so Captivated Fox news back in twenty. TWENTY 2:49:34.440 --> 2:49:36.040 i will be shocked if we make it more than 2:49:36.080 --> 2:49:39.039 another year without a serious attempt to Brand antifa a 2:49:39.040 --> 2:49:42.600 domestic terror, organization and if that succeeds in a way 2:49:42.600 --> 2:49:45.280 that has legal, force then the fact that there is 2:49:45.320 --> 2:49:48.440 no such organization won't. Matter Trump's feds will do what 2:49:48.480 --> 2:49:51.760 we've Watched ice do With. Trendagua they'll break down the 2:49:51.800 --> 2:49:54.720 door of whoever they, wish argue tattoos or possessions of 2:49:54.720 --> 2:49:58.039 certain literature or whatever is proof of, membership and then 2:49:58.080 --> 2:50:00.720 those who survive the raids will find themselves in the 2:50:00.720 --> 2:50:03.959 most restrictive detention the regime feels secure placing them. In 2:50:04.640 --> 2:50:07.320 if things follow WHAT i suspect is the likeliest, path 2:50:07.720 --> 2:50:10.280 we will watch this PROCESS ebb and flow over the 2:50:10.320 --> 2:50:13.440 next several. Months each spring and, summer protests will grow 2:50:13.520 --> 2:50:15.640 and peak in the hottest, months with new cities and 2:50:15.680 --> 2:50:19.880 tactics being attempted regularly by groups constantly reeling from raids 2:50:20.120 --> 2:50:24.040 that are devastating and, terrifying but due to the incompetence 2:50:24.040 --> 2:50:27.920 of AN fbi whose investigative capacity has been, neutered failed 2:50:28.000 --> 2:50:31.920 to really disrupt. Things as the weather cools, off exhausted 2:50:31.959 --> 2:50:35.400 activists will lick their wounds and make new. Plans scattered 2:50:35.400 --> 2:50:38.440 acts of disruption carried out by small groups or individual 2:50:38.520 --> 2:50:42.200 cells will occur year, round BUT i expect large scale 2:50:42.280 --> 2:50:46.520 demonstrations and clashes between demonstrators and law enforcement to follow 2:50:46.520 --> 2:50:49.680 a pattern not so different from What afghanistan veterans knew 2:50:49.760 --> 2:50:53.600 was fighting, season hot summers of mass, activity winters of, 2:50:53.720 --> 2:50:56.680 raids and experimentation to scout holes for the next year's. 2:50:56.720 --> 2:51:01.080 Offensive and as time goes, on the energy will, build 2:51:01.200 --> 2:51:04.600 the tension will, build and of course we might find 2:51:04.640 --> 2:51:09.080 ourselves reaching towards something that explodes in the not too distant, 2:51:09.120 --> 2:51:12.320 future perhaps a year or two down the. Line, now of, 2:51:12.360 --> 2:51:14.760 course none of this will occur in a vacuum or 2:51:14.800 --> 2:51:17.440 independent of the news churn that we've been drowning in for. 2:51:17.600 --> 2:51:21.160 Years and this brings me to my next, prediction which 2:51:21.240 --> 2:51:26.080 is the coming of politics as. UNUSUAL i apologize for 2:51:26.120 --> 2:51:28.000 coming back to The David brooks of it, all but 2:51:28.080 --> 2:51:30.640 seeing a man who in twenty seventeen wrote The trump 2:51:30.680 --> 2:51:33.760 had changed and we really needed to stop stressing out over, 2:51:33.840 --> 2:51:36.600 him and then wrote a column attacking millennials for their 2:51:36.680 --> 2:51:40.200 tribalism call for a general strike is a, sign and 2:51:40.280 --> 2:51:43.039 it's not a sign That brooks has gotten. Smarter it's 2:51:43.080 --> 2:51:45.920 a sign that we've entered radical, times and that radicalization 2:51:46.080 --> 2:51:50.039 spares not even the. Centrist if the worst case scenario 2:51:50.040 --> 2:51:52.440 occurs in a few weeks from, NOW us soldiers are 2:51:52.480 --> 2:51:56.240 gunning down demonstrators while ice officers krt Elected democrats off To, 2:51:56.320 --> 2:52:00.200 seacott feel free to disregard this. Passage but if the 2:52:00.240 --> 2:52:03.480 somewhat slower path, PREVAILS i expect to see more politicians 2:52:03.520 --> 2:52:06.040 and news editors chase viewers as they sprint left or 2:52:06.040 --> 2:52:09.480 at least away from the dissolving. Center we've watched this 2:52:09.600 --> 2:52:12.440 process occur on the right during The biden, years and 2:52:12.480 --> 2:52:14.640 to a, degree it is still occurring out of a 2:52:14.680 --> 2:52:18.040 fear of reprisals under The trump. Regime i'm finalizing the 2:52:18.080 --> 2:52:20.959 script on the day Sixty minutes Producer Bill owens stepped 2:52:21.000 --> 2:52:24.560 down over interference from paramount executives into his coverage Of Donald. 2:52:24.600 --> 2:52:27.800 Trump but the polls have started moving against the. Right 2:52:28.240 --> 2:52:31.240 trump's public approval on immigration policy is under water for 2:52:31.280 --> 2:52:34.400 the first time in, years and his approval on everything else, 2:52:34.520 --> 2:52:38.440 is while not always at record, lows diving with significant. 2:52:38.480 --> 2:52:41.720 Speed the next several months of shipping, data as well 2:52:41.720 --> 2:52:45.200 as concerning early reporting on farm, yields suggests a near 2:52:45.280 --> 2:52:47.920 future in which a lot less will be available for. 2:52:48.080 --> 2:52:51.240 Everyone we saw what a rising price of eggs did To, 2:52:51.280 --> 2:52:54.360 biden and we've also Seen Senator chris Van holland go 2:52:54.480 --> 2:52:57.640 almost overnight from a marginal figure IN us politics to 2:52:57.720 --> 2:53:00.360 one of the most Famous democrats in the nation because 2:53:00.360 --> 2:53:02.760 he had the modest courage to fly to L salvador 2:53:02.840 --> 2:53:05.240 and call the president's use of a foreign black site 2:53:05.320 --> 2:53:08.520 what it. Was there will be more people Like Van 2:53:08.560 --> 2:53:11.640 holland who display courage previously unseen in a moment of. 2:53:11.680 --> 2:53:14.759 Trial but much more than, that there will be, opportunists 2:53:14.879 --> 2:53:17.440 those who see the wind blowing and chase the approval 2:53:17.440 --> 2:53:20.720 of crowds more willing to countenance radical action in the 2:53:20.760 --> 2:53:24.039 streets than they were a year. Ago most politicians and 2:53:24.160 --> 2:53:27.120 most thought leaders in the old media are, reactive And 2:53:27.160 --> 2:53:30.200 i'm not saying that this will, change merely that what 2:53:30.240 --> 2:53:32.720 they react to will change because of who is in 2:53:32.840 --> 2:53:36.120 charge now and because of the desperation of the times 2:53:36.200 --> 2:53:39.360 brought on By republican, policies which is going to paint 2:53:39.360 --> 2:53:42.160 a target on the backs of conservative leaders as large 2:53:42.200 --> 2:53:44.120 as the targets they've been painting on the backs of. 2:53:44.160 --> 2:53:48.200 Dissidence and all of this means one, thing which is 2:53:48.760 --> 2:53:52.760 we're approaching the age of weird. Terror so much has 2:53:52.800 --> 2:53:55.240 happened in this, shitty stupid year THAT i think we've all. 2:53:55.240 --> 2:53:58.280 Forgotten twenty twenty five opened with a military veteran blowing 2:53:58.360 --> 2:54:00.600 himself up in a cyber truck in front of The 2:54:00.640 --> 2:54:04.080 Trump hotel And casino In Las. Vegas his reasoning was 2:54:04.120 --> 2:54:06.720 based as much on the numerous head injuries he'd suffered 2:54:06.720 --> 2:54:08.880 in his service as it was on his exposure to 2:54:08.959 --> 2:54:12.080 right wing, propaganda which convinced him that The democrats needed 2:54:12.080 --> 2:54:15.360 to be dealt. With but he saw things clearly enough 2:54:15.360 --> 2:54:17.720 to know that yet another mass shooting or self, immolation 2:54:17.879 --> 2:54:20.160 or even a run of the mill bomb wouldn't have 2:54:20.240 --> 2:54:24.360 garnered him or his manifesto any. Attention so instead he 2:54:24.440 --> 2:54:27.520 picked a cyber truck and A trump, building symbols of 2:54:27.560 --> 2:54:30.240 the two most viral men of our very stupid, era 2:54:30.520 --> 2:54:32.520 and he blew one of those up in front of the, 2:54:32.560 --> 2:54:35.840 other and by, gummet we all did pay attention for 2:54:35.879 --> 2:54:39.480 a few, days at least late last, year an anonymous 2:54:39.520 --> 2:54:42.760 gunman the government believes to Be Luigi mangione was even 2:54:42.800 --> 2:54:45.720 more successful at holding our attention with an even stranger, 2:54:45.800 --> 2:54:50.280 attack a brazen and i perfectly executed assassination carried out 2:54:50.320 --> 2:54:52.960 by a man with a dazzling smile and the wisdom 2:54:53.000 --> 2:54:56.160 to pick the most universally hated target that exists, today 2:54:56.560 --> 2:55:00.160 a healthcare. Ceo we have all watched so many mass 2:55:00.280 --> 2:55:04.440 shootings at, schools at grocery, stores, nightclubs everywhere imaginable that 2:55:04.480 --> 2:55:08.360 they've lost the ability to shock. Us but targeted assassinations 2:55:08.360 --> 2:55:09.959 of people at the top of the food chain are 2:55:10.040 --> 2:55:12.760 so rare that they can't help but draw eyeballs and 2:55:12.879 --> 2:55:16.560 sheer rollicking, strangeness like we saw In vegas has a 2:55:16.600 --> 2:55:19.600 captivating power all its. Own we will see more of 2:55:19.680 --> 2:55:22.120 both kinds of attacks in the months to. Come the 2:55:22.280 --> 2:55:25.160 arson attempt On Governor shapiro's home, bazar at least for 2:55:25.200 --> 2:55:28.440 the extensive damage, done might be seen as another data 2:55:28.480 --> 2:55:31.160 point on this. List but as new figures rise to 2:55:31.200 --> 2:55:34.760 prominence within new protest, movements we will see attempts to kill. 2:55:34.800 --> 2:55:38.080 Them furious and Derange trump supporters armed with cars and 2:55:38.120 --> 2:55:40.800 guns And trump branded pocket dives will do as they've been, 2:55:40.879 --> 2:55:43.680 doing and this part won't be. New WHAT i do 2:55:43.800 --> 2:55:46.280 expect will be new is the increased threat felt by 2:55:46.280 --> 2:55:49.400 the oligarchs at the top of the, system as intelligent 2:55:49.480 --> 2:55:52.480 and patient young people continue to plot ways to go 2:55:52.560 --> 2:55:54.879 after them and the places and times where they feel. 2:55:54.920 --> 2:55:58.920 Invulnerable AND i also expect that editors and journalists will 2:55:58.959 --> 2:56:02.600 continue to learn that these actions draw eyeballs more than 2:56:02.640 --> 2:56:06.400 almost anything. Else and while all that's going, on the 2:56:06.480 --> 2:56:09.720 truly unbalanced among us we'll find ways to hitchhike off 2:56:09.760 --> 2:56:13.080 the well publicized turmoil coming our way and make their 2:56:13.120 --> 2:56:17.200 own confounding. Statements there will be public suicides and attacks 2:56:17.280 --> 2:56:20.560 utilizing weapons and tools we can't yet, imagine at least 2:56:20.800 --> 2:56:23.680 not openly on a podcast without receiving a visit from 2:56:23.680 --> 2:56:26.680 some friendly alphabet boy or. ANOTHER i don't know what 2:56:26.800 --> 2:56:30.800 exactly to expect beyond the unexpected and the very very. 2:56:30.840 --> 2:56:34.600 Silly and of, course as we talk about weird, TERRORISM 2:56:34.600 --> 2:56:37.360 i don't mean to discount The nazi accelerationist types. Here 2:56:37.400 --> 2:56:40.160 they'll keep, trying but if they want to raise above 2:56:40.200 --> 2:56:43.240 the chatter and an even more crowded media, ecosystem even 2:56:43.280 --> 2:56:46.000 they're going to find ways to get weird with. It after, 2:56:46.080 --> 2:56:49.199 all an attack no one notices isn't likely to accelerate 2:56:49.280 --> 2:56:52.520 much of. Anything AND i guess that's What i've got right. 2:56:52.560 --> 2:56:56.119 Now i've got ten pages or so on WHAT i see. 2:56:56.120 --> 2:56:59.920 COMING i didn't come up with a, smooth sexy ending 2:57:00.080 --> 2:57:03.080 for this like a writer, should Because i'm tired and 2:57:03.680 --> 2:57:06.959 thinking about this isn't. Fun BUT i did a, lot 2:57:07.040 --> 2:57:09.560 and there you. ARE i suppose the thing you're asking 2:57:09.560 --> 2:57:11.280 now is what the fuck DO i do about? It 2:57:11.879 --> 2:57:14.600 and you know that's what we talk about a lot 2:57:14.640 --> 2:57:18.680 on this. Show organize with your, friends get, involved find 2:57:18.720 --> 2:57:22.400 ways to help. People take a stop the bleed, glass 2:57:22.760 --> 2:57:25.600 and the love Of, god keep your eyes. 2:57:25.640 --> 2:57:52.360 Open this is it could Happen Here Executive, disorder our 2:57:52.360 --> 2:57:55.800 weekly newscast covering what's happening in The White, house the crumbling, 2:57:55.800 --> 2:57:57.880 world and what it means for. You I'm Garrison davis. 2:57:57.879 --> 2:58:01.440 Today i'm joined By, Miao James, stout And Robert. Evans 2:58:01.800 --> 2:58:05.520 this episode recovering the week Of april seventeen To april twenty. 2:58:05.640 --> 2:58:09.720 Three Jd vance has killed The. POPE a Second pete 2:58:09.720 --> 2:58:12.000 hegsath on authorized signal chat has hit The department Of. 2:58:12.080 --> 2:58:15.959 Defense The White house announces that The Education department will 2:58:15.959 --> 2:58:19.800 start collecting on defaulted student. Loans Beanie Clad Tim poole 2:58:19.920 --> 2:58:23.000 joins The White house press, pool and Hippie facebook moms 2:58:23.400 --> 2:58:27.200 rejoice with artificial food dies being banned Across? America how 2:58:27.240 --> 2:58:27.480 are we? 2:58:27.520 --> 2:58:32.720 Doing, everybody which was so after hearing, that, FINE i GUESS. 2:58:32.560 --> 2:58:33.240 I outlived The. 2:58:33.280 --> 2:58:34.720 POPE i outlived The. 2:58:34.760 --> 2:58:38.520 Pope you have to live several more decades to like 2:58:38.640 --> 2:58:43.119 outlive the. Pope, OFFICIALLY i think he was eighty, eight. 2:58:43.120 --> 2:58:45.360 So he id it and did. 2:58:45.440 --> 2:58:48.199 It thank goodness he did not die On hitler's, birthday 2:58:48.240 --> 2:58:50.280 because that would have been a whole, other whole. 2:58:50.280 --> 2:58:53.480 Other, Yeah i'm still one day. Off i'm thinking back 2:58:53.520 --> 2:58:56.240 to My catechism classes and trying to, remember Like pope 2:58:56.280 --> 2:58:57.720 dead On, easter good sign are. 2:58:57.760 --> 2:59:01.240 Bad that's definitely a S i'll get some kind of. 2:59:01.240 --> 2:59:03.600 Shie how do we take? 2:59:03.640 --> 2:59:06.640 That shout out to The pistons for holding off winning 2:59:06.640 --> 2:59:09.520 a playoff game just long enough for The pope to, 2:59:09.600 --> 2:59:12.879 die such That francistory's entire tournament office never saw A 2:59:12.879 --> 2:59:16.240 pistons playoff. Win congratulations to The, Pistons gradulations to The 2:59:16.240 --> 2:59:18.800 city Of. Detroit congratulations for withholding that from The. 2:59:18.840 --> 2:59:20.640 Pope didn't that mean love to see? 2:59:20.640 --> 2:59:23.000 It Did Pope francis have a strong opinion on The 2:59:23.000 --> 2:59:25.600 pistons that he expressed at some point BECAUSE i may 2:59:25.600 --> 2:59:26.000 have missed. 2:59:26.000 --> 2:59:28.680 That, no he knew they were in a mackelmore, song 2:59:28.760 --> 2:59:29.760 so therefore he hated. 2:59:29.800 --> 2:59:33.680 Them he was a huge mcle. Fan, yeah a lot 2:59:33.680 --> 2:59:35.959 of people don't know, this but the entire time The 2:59:35.959 --> 2:59:38.120 pope is lying in, state they're just going to be 2:59:38.200 --> 2:59:44.599 looping thrift. Shop so, yeah As Pope francis, Wanted. 2:59:44.560 --> 2:59:48.960 Yeah that was his dying. Wish do you know who? 2:59:49.040 --> 2:59:51.440 Else probably used to listen To, mackailmore not anymore because 2:59:51.480 --> 2:59:53.680 he got too. Woke But Pete heggseth seems like. Us 2:59:53.720 --> 2:59:55.320 he's like a twenty Twelve mackelmore. 2:59:55.400 --> 2:59:56.320 Guy yeah it might have. 2:59:56.400 --> 2:59:58.000 Been might have. Been he was. 2:59:57.959 --> 3:00:00.600 Sharing plans for you many air, strikes his, wife his, 3:00:00.680 --> 3:00:02.840 brother and a personal. Lawyer in another, signal. 3:00:02.600 --> 3:00:04.000 CHAT i do the same. 3:00:04.120 --> 3:00:08.119 Thing, yeah, well, yeah you've yet to act on your. 3:00:08.120 --> 3:00:11.000 Plans it's a. Difference they are not interested. 3:00:10.680 --> 3:00:13.200 Looping at the lawyers the real Like god to your move. 3:00:13.280 --> 3:00:17.000 There that's funny BECAUSE i mean it says so much 3:00:17.080 --> 3:00:19.240 both about like what's going on In pete Heads seth's, 3:00:19.280 --> 3:00:21.879 brain but of the quality of, lawyer because any lawyer 3:00:21.959 --> 3:00:23.879 worth assault would be like please. 3:00:25.080 --> 3:00:28.360 Chat, yeah you need to get me out of this. 3:00:28.640 --> 3:00:32.280 Chat what is wrong with? You are? You are you 3:00:32.400 --> 3:00:34.119 texting me missile package? 3:00:34.160 --> 3:00:37.039 Information that's the. 3:00:37.000 --> 3:00:39.200 Thing, though we've gotten great every like this guy From, 3:00:39.240 --> 3:00:42.240 julianni from all of the, lawyers these like random cartoon. 3:00:42.280 --> 3:00:44.959 Dipshits the right keeps finding that like they will just 3:00:45.080 --> 3:00:47.760 hand you a law, Degree like if you hand the 3:00:47.800 --> 3:00:50.560 state enough, money they will just hand you a law 3:00:50.600 --> 3:00:53.360 degree and you can just like bullshit your way to 3:00:53.440 --> 3:00:55.160 the bar and you'll be. Fine like they give that 3:00:55.200 --> 3:00:57.440 shout out to anyone. 3:00:56.879 --> 3:00:59.080 You can tell a really good lawyer in a room 3:00:59.120 --> 3:01:01.400 where legal things are being, Discussed And i've had this 3:01:01.440 --> 3:01:05.160 happen several times because they just, leave they, bounce they 3:01:05.200 --> 3:01:08.840 get the fuck out of the. Room and that's a smart. Lawyer. 3:01:09.120 --> 3:01:10.920 YEAH i don't know if you saw, it but The 3:01:10.959 --> 3:01:14.840 state Of california was USING ai to say it's bar exam. Questions, so, 3:01:15.240 --> 3:01:17.760 oh you don't even have to be SO. 3:01:17.879 --> 3:01:20.119 I bet THE ai would be able to tell, you 3:01:20.160 --> 3:01:24.000 don't text you your wife lawyer in sun classified information 3:01:24.120 --> 3:01:26.840 about missile. Strikes but. 3:01:26.959 --> 3:01:29.959 Whatever, now hopefully if they start USING ai more to 3:01:29.959 --> 3:01:31.720 get through, school they won't have they won't have as 3:01:31.800 --> 3:01:36.560 many student loans to be collected. On, yeah of practice 3:01:36.600 --> 3:01:39.240 that has been paused Since march of twenty, twenty set 3:01:39.280 --> 3:01:42.480 to be resumed On may. Fifth and then uh uh. 3:01:43.040 --> 3:01:46.680 Man The timpool thing was was really. Wild Press Secretary 3:01:46.680 --> 3:01:50.360 Carolyn levitt gave a give a glowing introduction To Tim 3:01:50.360 --> 3:01:54.120 poole's addition to the press, room And tim's first question 3:01:54.440 --> 3:01:57.640 to the administration was was asking why news media just 3:01:57.720 --> 3:02:01.760 lies so much About trump and journalism here from Comrade, 3:02:01.800 --> 3:02:09.600 tim really probing. Question let's pivot TOWARDS rfk and the 3:02:09.840 --> 3:02:13.760 concerning registry that has been, discussed which is a word 3:02:13.800 --> 3:02:15.840 you never like to. Hear whenever someone brings up the 3:02:15.840 --> 3:02:18.520 concept of a, registry it's usually, bad always. 3:02:18.600 --> 3:02:21.200 Bad So i'm going to talk in general about WHAT, 3:02:21.440 --> 3:02:25.439 rfk the things that he has, said not just about Autistic, 3:02:25.480 --> 3:02:29.400 americans but about people who are receiving psychiatric, medication people 3:02:29.400 --> 3:02:33.480 who are addicted to, opiates people who are utilizing like, 3:02:33.520 --> 3:02:37.480 stimulants by WHICH i MEAN adhd, medicine which if you HAVE, 3:02:37.560 --> 3:02:40.920 adhd that's not exactly the way it, functions but that's 3:02:41.120 --> 3:02:42.080 the way he frames. 3:02:42.120 --> 3:02:43.920 It because these are all tied, together. 3:02:44.080 --> 3:02:46.720 RIGHT i have some frustrations with kind of how it's 3:02:46.760 --> 3:02:50.160 been taken on social media THAT i think are not 3:02:50.200 --> 3:02:52.360 causing people to worry when they don't need to, worry 3:02:52.440 --> 3:02:55.560 but look at maybe sort of the wrong area to 3:02:55.640 --> 3:02:58.200 be to see the immediate threat coming. From so First 3:02:58.240 --> 3:03:00.600 i'm going to start with like what his been, said 3:03:00.640 --> 3:03:03.400 and before we get to the, registry we have to 3:03:03.440 --> 3:03:04.920 go back to what he was talking about on the 3:03:04.959 --> 3:03:07.320 campaign trail because prior and this is prior to him 3:03:07.400 --> 3:03:10.400 Endorsing Donald, trump when OUR Fk junior was like an 3:03:10.480 --> 3:03:15.800 individual like running for president on his own under his independent, 3:03:15.879 --> 3:03:20.160 campaign he started talking about wellness, farms, right and these 3:03:20.160 --> 3:03:23.320 were specifically in the language that he, use places that 3:03:23.360 --> 3:03:27.600 people who were addicted to psychiatric. Medication antidepressants he named 3:03:27.640 --> 3:03:32.039 specifically antidepressants and, stimulants as well as people with opiate, addictions, 3:03:32.360 --> 3:03:35.320 right and he has since talked about other drug addictions as. 3:03:35.360 --> 3:03:39.840 Well could go to spend three or four years working 3:03:39.959 --> 3:03:43.240 on a. Farm he always frames it as also like learning. 3:03:43.320 --> 3:03:46.400 Skills so it's this mix OF i want people to 3:03:46.440 --> 3:03:49.520 be able to work in this you, know lovely, bucolic you, 3:03:49.560 --> 3:03:53.560 know agrarian setting where they'll gain working. Skills and then 3:03:53.600 --> 3:03:56.800 there's also pepperdin these very frightening phrases like they need 3:03:56.840 --> 3:04:00.880 to be reparented right. Now in addition to, this he's 3:04:00.920 --> 3:04:04.400 not just that this is all focused On americans who 3:04:04.440 --> 3:04:10.920 are taking medications that he thinks are over prescribed or purely. Unnecessary, 3:04:11.040 --> 3:04:13.800 right that's always the, Way like psychiatric. Medication he almost 3:04:13.800 --> 3:04:17.120 has a scientologist attitude towards it that like this is 3:04:17.240 --> 3:04:21.840 all essentially. Unnecessary and, obviously you, know all of this 3:04:21.840 --> 3:04:24.119 stuff comes out of their elements of this that were 3:04:24.160 --> 3:04:26.160 true at one. Point for, example back in the, nineties 3:04:26.200 --> 3:04:29.640 Like riddlin was wildly overprescribed to. Kids but the way 3:04:29.680 --> 3:04:32.200 in which he's translated this now is that basically everyone 3:04:32.240 --> 3:04:35.240 on a, stimulant everyone on an, antidepressant is on it. 3:04:35.360 --> 3:04:38.920 Unnecessarily and in a podcast in twenty twenty, four he 3:04:39.000 --> 3:04:41.800 went further by kind of tying a lot of this to, 3:04:42.080 --> 3:04:45.920 race specifically stating, quote every black kid is now just 3:04:46.000 --> 3:04:49.640 standard put on adderall on SSRIs, benzos which are known 3:04:49.680 --> 3:04:51.760 to induce, violence and those kids are going to have 3:04:51.800 --> 3:04:55.920 a chance to go somewhere and get. Reparented so that's 3:04:55.959 --> 3:04:56.600 all deeply. 3:04:56.720 --> 3:05:01.520 Concerning it's like kidnapping children, unforcibly like de. MEDICATING i will, 3:05:01.520 --> 3:05:03.800 say that's not how he has framed. It so one 3:05:03.800 --> 3:05:05.800 of the things is People i've heard it phrases LIKE 3:05:05.920 --> 3:05:08.879 rfk has admitted he wants to imprison millions Of americans in, 3:05:08.959 --> 3:05:11.600 camps and, like that's not what he. Said the direct 3:05:11.879 --> 3:05:15.240 quotes about this are not framed as a mandatory. Thing 3:05:15.400 --> 3:05:19.560 it's framed as a replacement for other treatments that people 3:05:19.600 --> 3:05:22.600 can choose to go into and choose to. Leave that's 3:05:22.600 --> 3:05:26.800 what he's, said, Right, okay, now perfectly reasonable when a 3:05:26.879 --> 3:05:29.360 guy in an administration like this is talking about putting 3:05:29.400 --> 3:05:30.720 up camps to be, like, WELL i don't know IF 3:05:30.760 --> 3:05:32.880 i believe, him but it's not accurate that he said 3:05:32.920 --> 3:05:35.160 he wants to arrest millions of people and force them onto. 3:05:35.160 --> 3:05:38.039 Camps he just has not said, that, Right, yeah, Yeah 3:05:38.040 --> 3:05:39.720 AND i think it behooves us. 3:05:39.640 --> 3:05:41.120 To be honest about what he. SAID i think it 3:05:41.120 --> 3:05:46.320 also behooves us to talk about like where this idea comes, from, 3:05:46.680 --> 3:05:50.000 right and what he's looking back. To and, again a 3:05:50.000 --> 3:05:52.520 lot of the issue here is not necessarily WHAT rfk might, 3:05:52.560 --> 3:05:54.320 do but the fact that he might not be there. 3:05:54.400 --> 3:05:57.879 Forever and if he starts establishing this this kind of 3:05:58.000 --> 3:06:00.800 kind of program that starts in an attempt to be 3:06:00.920 --> 3:06:03.280 something that is, more you can choose to be on 3:06:03.320 --> 3:06:06.640 these camps or. Not there's certainly willingness within The Republican 3:06:06.680 --> 3:06:10.880 party to force people into different kinds of quote unquote 3:06:10.920 --> 3:06:13.119 treatment like. This and one THING i think that particularly 3:06:13.200 --> 3:06:15.120 is the way in which the right has liked to 3:06:15.240 --> 3:06:18.800 shift blame for gun violence and mass shootings off of 3:06:18.840 --> 3:06:22.120 the availability of firearms and onto people who are on psychiatric. 3:06:22.160 --> 3:06:22.640 Medication. 3:06:23.040 --> 3:06:25.200 Right and this is an area in WHICH i could 3:06:25.240 --> 3:06:28.959 see someone taking over FROM rfk or pushing past the 3:06:29.000 --> 3:06:31.520 things he specifically has stated he wants to, do BECAUSE 3:06:31.560 --> 3:06:33.520 i think he does come out of a more quack 3:06:33.640 --> 3:06:38.760 medicine goal here putting people forcibly in camps and colonies like, 3:06:38.800 --> 3:06:39.080 THIS i. 3:06:39.080 --> 3:06:41.640 Mean like the idea of like, REPARENTING i guess is 3:06:41.680 --> 3:06:46.280 more is deeply Problem, yes incredibly scary, phrase but it 3:06:46.360 --> 3:06:48.600 is worth noting as there's a there's a very good. 3:06:48.720 --> 3:06:52.360 Teen vogue article on the matter CALLED rfk wants to 3:06:52.400 --> 3:06:55.279 send people to wellness. Farms THE us already tried that 3:06:55.280 --> 3:06:59.200 that talks about the actual background that he is hearkening back, 3:06:59.240 --> 3:07:01.080 to because he is. Not but his vision of wellness 3:07:01.120 --> 3:07:04.520 farms is not like The nazi concentration. Camp which doesn't 3:07:04.560 --> 3:07:07.400 mean that it's not possible that things could wind up 3:07:07.440 --> 3:07:09.720 in a much darker. Direction but this gives you an 3:07:09.760 --> 3:07:12.240 idea of the history that he is specifically calling back. 3:07:12.280 --> 3:07:12.360 To. 3:07:12.720 --> 3:07:15.560 Quote beginning of the eighteen nineties and continuing through the 3:07:15.560 --> 3:07:18.480 first decades of the twentieth, century epileptic and feeble minded 3:07:18.520 --> 3:07:21.320 colonies sprung up around THE. Us the initial purpose of 3:07:21.360 --> 3:07:24.360 these colonies was to remove patients from, overcrowded badly run 3:07:24.400 --> 3:07:27.200 asylums in poorhouses in favor of farm, life where they 3:07:27.200 --> 3:07:30.040 would have access to the. Outdoors under the colony, model 3:07:30.040 --> 3:07:32.880 patients generally lived in cottages designed to be more homelike 3:07:32.959 --> 3:07:36.680 than Institutional patients were also given, jobs and many were 3:07:36.680 --> 3:07:38.959 expected to work on colony, farms where they grew their own. 3:07:39.000 --> 3:07:42.360 Food Doctor William, sprattling the medical superintendent of The Craig 3:07:42.400 --> 3:07:44.959 colony For epileptics In New, york declared that the farm 3:07:45.000 --> 3:07:47.720 model meant, nature the great, restorer will have an opportunity 3:07:47.760 --> 3:07:50.600 to do her. Best it didn't. Work supporters of the 3:07:50.600 --> 3:07:53.119 colony of model argued that with, time clean, air, sunshine 3:07:53.160 --> 3:07:56.160 and a restricted, diet physical labor could heal, patients but 3:07:56.240 --> 3:07:58.840 that didn't. Happen data from The Craig, colony one of 3:07:58.879 --> 3:08:02.959 The america's first electic, colonies illustrates this. Point during the nineteen, 3:08:03.040 --> 3:08:05.600 forties thanks to funding and staff limitations because Of World War, 3:08:05.640 --> 3:08:09.640 two conditions In North american institutions were particularly grim the. 3:08:09.680 --> 3:08:12.520 Institutions nineteen forty three to nineteen forty four annual report 3:08:12.520 --> 3:08:14.520 to The State commissioner Of Medtal hygiene shows that less 3:08:14.520 --> 3:08:17.120 than one percent of patients were discharged is cured that. 3:08:17.240 --> 3:08:20.200 Year during that same, period over two hundred patients attempted 3:08:20.200 --> 3:08:22.680 to leave the colony without, permission and five percent of 3:08:22.680 --> 3:08:26.600 the total patient population. Died and SO i mean that's 3:08:27.200 --> 3:08:30.160 reason enough to be deeply, worried, right the fact that 3:08:30.440 --> 3:08:33.199 without saying LIKE rfk wants to do what The nazis, 3:08:33.240 --> 3:08:35.760 DID rfk wants to do what The america already did 3:08:35.800 --> 3:08:37.800 and it killed a huge number of the people who 3:08:37.800 --> 3:08:40.600 were interned in those. Camps AND i guess the THING 3:08:40.640 --> 3:08:43.320 i keep bringing up is that WHEN i think about 3:08:43.400 --> 3:08:47.080 what the threat model is more than Fucking auschwitz for 3:08:47.440 --> 3:08:51.520 people who on OUR, nssris it's A Judge Rotenberg center 3:08:51.680 --> 3:08:56.440 on every. Corner it's camps like these where costs are 3:08:56.480 --> 3:08:58.680 going to be cut and there's not going to be 3:08:58.760 --> 3:09:01.680 good access for any kind of independent monitors to make 3:09:01.720 --> 3:09:04.800 sure health and safety are being. Followed it's not that 3:09:04.879 --> 3:09:07.400 people are going to be shoveled into. Ovens it's that 3:09:08.000 --> 3:09:12.120 as a result of this system being incompetently applied to 3:09:12.240 --> 3:09:15.200 the most. Vulnerable And i'm not even talking about my 3:09:15.280 --> 3:09:17.560 worry at the moment being that everyone on AN ssr 3:09:17.640 --> 3:09:18.240 will be forced. 3:09:18.240 --> 3:09:19.520 In it's going to be poor. 3:09:19.600 --> 3:09:22.120 Kids AND rfk has already talked about, that, Right, like 3:09:22.160 --> 3:09:24.960 that's why he's focusing on the black, kids, right that's 3:09:25.000 --> 3:09:27.879 who they're going. For we've had some people post up 3:09:27.879 --> 3:09:30.440 in the subreddit being, LIKE i Know i'm going to 3:09:30.480 --> 3:09:32.280 go to a camp BECAUSE i have, autism OR i 3:09:32.320 --> 3:09:33.680 Know i'm going to do go to a camp because 3:09:33.680 --> 3:09:36.560 i HAVE. Adhd And i'm telling, You i'm not saying 3:09:37.640 --> 3:09:42.000 don't be scared of. Fascism i'm saying this is where 3:09:42.320 --> 3:09:45.760 to fight right. Now it's NOT rfk wants to send 3:09:45.760 --> 3:09:49.240 every adult on AN ssri into a death. Camp it's 3:09:49.240 --> 3:09:51.600 that they're going to try and be putting these kids 3:09:51.640 --> 3:09:54.760 instead of you, know the different juvenile programs that, exist 3:09:54.840 --> 3:09:59.240 instead of any kind of functional medical, Program they're going 3:09:59.280 --> 3:10:01.360 to force them into hisities like, this and it's going 3:10:01.400 --> 3:10:04.440 to become easier for facilities like The Judge Rotenberg, center 3:10:04.640 --> 3:10:08.440 which horribly abuses and tortures autistic, kids to spread and 3:10:08.520 --> 3:10:13.199 to get state and federal. Funding and that's that's the, threat. 3:10:13.440 --> 3:10:16.840 Right it's an extension of what we're doing and what we've. 3:10:16.879 --> 3:10:19.800 Done it's not a carbon copy of what The nazis 3:10:19.840 --> 3:10:30.280 are doing or did speaking of The, nazis. 3:10:35.120 --> 3:10:35.520 And we're. 3:10:35.520 --> 3:10:39.560 Back so a couple of things happen in quick succession 3:10:39.640 --> 3:10:41.840 that is responsible in part for like why people are 3:10:41.879 --> 3:10:44.080 so freaked, out and rightfully. So one of them is 3:10:44.080 --> 3:10:47.080 THAT rfk gave a speech on the back of new 3:10:47.200 --> 3:10:51.160 data that showed yet another rise in the rate of autism, 3:10:51.200 --> 3:10:54.120 diagnoses and AS i said on a previous, episode it's 3:10:54.160 --> 3:10:56.800 because we're looking for it. More but he made a 3:10:56.840 --> 3:10:59.720 statement about people with profound autism not being able to 3:10:59.720 --> 3:11:03.120 pay taxes or write, poems you, know or that sort of. 3:11:03.160 --> 3:11:06.160 Thing and while he was specifically talking about people with 3:11:06.200 --> 3:11:10.120 quote unquote profound, autism it's reasonable for people to, assume, like, 3:11:10.200 --> 3:11:13.000 yeah but that's just kind of what he sees is basically, everyone, 3:11:13.160 --> 3:11:15.720 right AND i don't think that that's an unfair. Assumption 3:11:16.240 --> 3:11:18.400 and then coming right up on the heels of, that 3:11:18.920 --> 3:11:21.640 there was an announcement from THE, nih The National institutes 3:11:21.680 --> 3:11:25.600 Of health ABOUT Rfk junior's new effort to quote unquote study. 3:11:25.640 --> 3:11:28.959 Autism and basically what they're going to be doing is 3:11:29.000 --> 3:11:32.880 collecting comprehensive patient data with broad coverage of THE us 3:11:33.000 --> 3:11:36.879 population and kind of organizing it within THE. Nih this 3:11:37.000 --> 3:11:39.640 is the first time this has been. Done but they 3:11:39.680 --> 3:11:42.560 are going to be grabbing basically everything they can get 3:11:42.600 --> 3:11:44.360 their hands. On and we're talking about a mix of 3:11:44.640 --> 3:11:50.160 med medication records from, pharmacies lab testing, records genomic data 3:11:50.200 --> 3:11:52.480 from people who like go to the you, know department 3:11:52.520 --> 3:11:55.879 of the basically data taken by THE, va data taken 3:11:55.920 --> 3:11:59.039 by The Indian Health, service as well as data by 3:11:59.120 --> 3:12:01.840 from private. Insurance and they're also going to be buying 3:12:01.959 --> 3:12:05.520 data from smartwatchs from stuff like. Fitbits, right who does 3:12:05.560 --> 3:12:08.080 sell their data to anybody with like twenty dollars hanging 3:12:08.120 --> 3:12:10.440 out the back of their. Pocket and as a heads, 3:12:10.520 --> 3:12:13.120 up if you are looking for a fitness, tracker you 3:12:13.160 --> 3:12:16.440 should look more into. This there are a few that 3:12:16.680 --> 3:12:20.480 have reasonably good data protection. Histories garman is one of. 3:12:20.520 --> 3:12:23.320 Them this does not mean it's. Perfect all of them 3:12:23.360 --> 3:12:25.920 will hand over your data if given a court order 3:12:25.959 --> 3:12:28.160 to do. So none of them are going to break 3:12:28.200 --> 3:12:30.760 the law to hold on to your. Data But garman 3:12:30.840 --> 3:12:33.440 doesn't just like sell willy nilly to anybody who wants 3:12:33.440 --> 3:12:36.320 to like advertise based on. It right that, said most 3:12:36.320 --> 3:12:38.560 of them do the last Thing i'd write was something 3:12:38.640 --> 3:12:41.880 like twelve out of fifteen different free fitness tracking apps 3:12:41.920 --> 3:12:44.520 they checked sold data pretty, Widely so. 3:12:44.520 --> 3:12:45.400 Yeah about eighty. 3:12:45.400 --> 3:12:49.760 Percent, yeah it's the vast. Majority, Right, so THE nih 3:12:49.840 --> 3:12:52.760 is basically looking at taking the data that. Exists they're 3:12:52.800 --> 3:12:54.760 not talking about really gathering new, data but they are 3:12:54.800 --> 3:12:58.720 Taking they are talking about collecting everything that exists and 3:12:58.800 --> 3:13:01.879 putting it under one roof the first. Time and this 3:13:02.000 --> 3:13:04.560 is for a couple of. Purposes. Right they want to 3:13:04.600 --> 3:13:07.680 be able to track the spread of different illnesses and 3:13:07.720 --> 3:13:10.920 different health problems within the. Population these are their, claims 3:13:11.400 --> 3:13:15.160 but also they want to create a disease registry specifically 3:13:15.160 --> 3:13:18.480 to Track americans with. Autism, Right and this is Because 3:13:18.560 --> 3:13:21.879 kennedy describes autism as a preventable, disease which is not. 3:13:22.080 --> 3:13:25.080 Accurate and the fact that this database and these other 3:13:25.160 --> 3:13:29.320 databases are being made should be very. Worrisome, Right it's 3:13:29.360 --> 3:13:31.360 both important to talk about the fact that he is 3:13:31.360 --> 3:13:34.160 specifically signaling out autism while also stating like that's not 3:13:34.200 --> 3:13:35.320 the only thing they're looking. 3:13:35.320 --> 3:13:35.560 Into. 3:13:35.760 --> 3:13:38.640 Right they want data on people who are ON, SSRIs 3:13:38.680 --> 3:13:41.920 who are ON adhd. Medication they probably want data on drug. 3:13:42.040 --> 3:13:42.200 Use. 3:13:42.320 --> 3:13:44.760 Right there are a lot of things they are looking 3:13:44.840 --> 3:13:47.640 to be, gathering and none of it is shit that 3:13:47.680 --> 3:13:48.680 they should have access. 3:13:48.720 --> 3:13:49.720 For, yeah you. 3:13:49.680 --> 3:13:52.440 Can certainly see them expanding this out to like hormone replacement, 3:13:52.480 --> 3:13:54.520 therapy transfer, healthcare, yes. 3:13:54.560 --> 3:13:57.640 Yeah and also like the apps attract like menstrual. Cycles, right, 3:13:57.680 --> 3:13:59.600 yes people access and reproductive. 3:13:59.640 --> 3:14:01.880 Healthcare and again the immediate. 3:14:01.959 --> 3:14:05.800 Plan i'm, SORRY i SIMPLY i don't think THAT Rfk 3:14:06.040 --> 3:14:09.760 junior's master plan is the mass arrest of everybody who 3:14:09.879 --> 3:14:12.640 with autism in The United states and forcing them into a. 3:14:12.680 --> 3:14:14.600 CAMP i don't think that's what he, wants in part 3:14:14.640 --> 3:14:19.959 because number, one his base of support is a lot 3:14:19.959 --> 3:14:22.480 of the parents of these. Kids And i'm not saying 3:14:22.520 --> 3:14:24.879 those parents don't want to do things that they aren't 3:14:24.879 --> 3:14:27.520 already doing things to their kids that are, Harmful but 3:14:27.600 --> 3:14:31.120 those parents want control over what they see as their kids'. 3:14:31.160 --> 3:14:35.400 Healthcare they want the freedom to experiment with medications on 3:14:35.480 --> 3:14:38.879 their kids to quote unquote fix. Them and this data 3:14:39.000 --> 3:14:43.520 is going to be used both to provide basically to 3:14:43.560 --> 3:14:46.800 be massaged to provide evidence that different treatments that don't 3:14:46.800 --> 3:14:49.360 do shit do in fact. Work AND i THINK i 3:14:49.440 --> 3:14:53.240 have suspicions of financial interests. THERE i keep getting questioned, like, 3:14:53.360 --> 3:14:54.760 well what do you think is going to happen when 3:14:54.800 --> 3:14:56.760 the autism cures don't, Work, well then they're going to 3:14:56.760 --> 3:14:59.360 put people in. Camps, no the autism cures already don't. 3:14:59.400 --> 3:15:02.400 Work this is an. Industry they make money off of. 3:15:02.400 --> 3:15:05.520 This they make money off of drugging and medically torturing these. 3:15:05.640 --> 3:15:08.240 Children and as far that, is the threat is that 3:15:08.320 --> 3:15:10.800 it is going to get easier to do at a larger, 3:15:10.840 --> 3:15:13.320 scale and it is going to be harder to, fight 3:15:13.440 --> 3:15:16.240 even illegal to provide good information on what does and 3:15:16.280 --> 3:15:19.720 does not. Work and that is what's happening right now 3:15:19.840 --> 3:15:23.080 as opposed to something we might be worried, about you, 3:15:23.120 --> 3:15:27.000 know years down the. Line and, yes we should fight 3:15:27.080 --> 3:15:29.720 anytime the government is trying to put populations of people 3:15:29.760 --> 3:15:33.200 into a motherfucking database like, This we should fight all 3:15:33.240 --> 3:15:36.240 of this tooth and. NAIL i just think this is 3:15:36.280 --> 3:15:39.440 WHAT i see as the. Danger you, Know, yeah the 3:15:39.800 --> 3:15:43.160 risk is this to centralized. Stuff it's a centralized acceleration 3:15:43.280 --> 3:15:46.080 for things that have already been, happening less so than 3:15:46.160 --> 3:15:47.440 just like large scale direct sator. 3:15:47.440 --> 3:15:51.120 Intervention, YEAH i think a lot about, like in the 3:15:51.120 --> 3:15:55.680 context of this like quote unquote wilderness therapy, programs, Yes roberts, 3:15:55.720 --> 3:15:57.840 companies but which have been abusing children for. 3:15:58.160 --> 3:16:00.600 Years and that is WHAT i see when we talk 3:16:00.640 --> 3:16:03.880 about these these. Farms, again my worry is NOT rfk 3:16:04.040 --> 3:16:08.560 wants to forcibly put everybody into Fucking Auschwitz part. Two 3:16:09.000 --> 3:16:13.000 IT'S rfk wants a hundred times as many teen treatment 3:16:13.080 --> 3:16:16.560 facilities where kids who disobey are get in trouble with 3:16:16.600 --> 3:16:19.360 the large caught it fucking, protests can be forced to, 3:16:19.440 --> 3:16:22.240 labor and an amount of them will, die and all 3:16:22.320 --> 3:16:25.400 of them will suffer permanent mental and physical damage as 3:16:25.400 --> 3:16:26.560 a result of being put in these. 3:16:26.600 --> 3:16:30.440 Places, yeah like the behavioral improvement centers that are you 3:16:30.480 --> 3:16:32.400 could even be part, of you, know like like community. 3:16:32.440 --> 3:16:37.600 Service, yes, yeah it's extensions of what we. Do it's Extremely, 3:16:37.640 --> 3:16:42.160 american you. KNOW i just that's that's where my head. 3:16:42.200 --> 3:16:46.160 Is, yeah it's no Great so talking of WHERE i 3:16:46.160 --> 3:16:50.400 guess where my head is is, Immigration, Right that's WHAT 3:16:50.480 --> 3:16:54.440 i tend to update us. On SO i Guess i've 3:16:54.440 --> 3:16:57.040 seen it characterize as like legal ping pong between the 3:16:57.040 --> 3:16:59.560 courts and THE. Doj it would be like if one 3:16:59.600 --> 3:17:02.039 side was playing ping pong with a regular tennis, racket 3:17:02.040 --> 3:17:04.120 and everyone was just pretending that they weren't, Right like 3:17:04.160 --> 3:17:07.680 the doj is just continuing to kind of flout these court. 3:17:07.800 --> 3:17:09.920 Orders if we start from the top and go, down 3:17:09.959 --> 3:17:13.560 The Supreme court temporarily banned the government from Renditioning venezuelan 3:17:13.640 --> 3:17:16.000 men in the district Of North texas To El. SALVADOR 3:17:16.600 --> 3:17:19.360 i think people maybe sometimes this got a little misinterpreted 3:17:19.400 --> 3:17:21.400 on social, media like you have to look at who 3:17:21.440 --> 3:17:23.640 the class, was and the class was a group Of 3:17:23.840 --> 3:17:26.920 venezuelan men who were in immigration detention In North texas 3:17:26.959 --> 3:17:29.040 who were going to be sent To Wel, salvador and 3:17:29.080 --> 3:17:33.680 that was who got the. Relief the case at the 3:17:33.720 --> 3:17:36.240 time was pending before THE Us court Of appeals for 3:17:36.320 --> 3:17:38.960 The Fifth, circuit and The Supreme court said that once 3:17:38.959 --> 3:17:41.480 that court, acted the government could appeal to The Supreme. Court, 3:17:41.760 --> 3:17:44.440 however they, added the government should, not And i'm quoting, 3:17:44.480 --> 3:17:47.320 here remove any member of the putative class of detainees 3:17:47.360 --> 3:17:49.960 from The United states until further order of This. 3:17:50.280 --> 3:17:51.360 COURT i. 3:17:51.480 --> 3:17:54.560 E The Supreme court to update on the, case which 3:17:54.560 --> 3:17:55.240 we've covered a lot. 3:17:55.280 --> 3:17:56.640 Here The Abrego garcia. 3:17:56.720 --> 3:18:03.000 Case Judge genies ordered expedite disco discovery is when both 3:18:03.040 --> 3:18:06.600 parties in a, lawsuit like a mass information, right they're 3:18:06.600 --> 3:18:11.000 able to find out. Information and in this, case the 3:18:11.040 --> 3:18:13.720 government more or less ignored, this and it did so 3:18:13.800 --> 3:18:16.000 by sticking to its line that they can't bring him 3:18:16.000 --> 3:18:19.320 home to The United, states saying that the requests were 3:18:19.360 --> 3:18:22.720 And i'm quoting again, here based on the false premise 3:18:22.800 --> 3:18:25.400 that The United states can or has been ordered to 3:18:25.440 --> 3:18:30.000 Facilitate Bregor garcia's released from custody In El. Salvulo their 3:18:30.120 --> 3:18:33.680 claiming they were ordered to return, him and somehow in their, 3:18:33.720 --> 3:18:38.840 minds returning him does not include ensuring his, release like 3:18:38.879 --> 3:18:41.680 they're saying that they're only obliged to transport him should 3:18:41.720 --> 3:18:45.160 he be released. Anyway genies in a court order called 3:18:45.160 --> 3:18:48.520 this quote a wilful and bad faith refusal to comply 3:18:48.640 --> 3:18:52.600 with the discovery. Obligations geni's also called the government's assertions 3:18:52.640 --> 3:18:57.840 of executive privilege quote equally. Specious The city Of hyattsville 3:18:57.879 --> 3:19:01.000 in this case also clarified through a press release that, 3:19:01.120 --> 3:19:05.040 quote at no time did any member OF hpd identify 3:19:05.200 --> 3:19:08.680 or file any report Classifying Abrego garcia as a member 3:19:08.720 --> 3:19:12.120 of any. Gang despite, this the executive branch is still 3:19:12.160 --> 3:19:15.800 going with that he's a violent gang. Member they also 3:19:16.280 --> 3:19:21.440 doxed his wife this week by releasing a protective order 3:19:21.480 --> 3:19:24.680 that she had once filed and, withdrawn and when that was, 3:19:24.720 --> 3:19:27.800 released it contained her a, dress so she's now hiding 3:19:27.840 --> 3:19:28.360 in a safe. 3:19:28.360 --> 3:19:33.680 House they photoshopped A ms thirteen tattoo onto his knuckles 3:19:33.720 --> 3:19:40.080 above a weed leaf, tattoo a smiley face across and a. 3:19:40.120 --> 3:19:43.960 Skull, yeah, yeah that's what they're going. 3:19:44.000 --> 3:19:47.040 WITH i guess specious is a specious is a good? Word? 3:19:47.720 --> 3:19:48.560 Yeah just hideous? 3:19:48.640 --> 3:19:50.879 Nonsense, yeah, no absolutely obscenely. 3:19:50.920 --> 3:19:53.480 Ridiculu and then the other angler, Says i'm just saying 3:19:53.520 --> 3:19:55.440 that you don't have a right to do process right like, 3:19:55.520 --> 3:19:58.520 openly just Like miller has been saying. This Jd vance 3:19:58.560 --> 3:20:02.600 has been saying this on x dot com that, like 3:20:03.320 --> 3:20:05.440 these people don't have a right to do process for. 3:20:05.760 --> 3:20:09.400 That they've come up with various arguments for. That it 3:20:09.480 --> 3:20:12.760 also seems like two people sent Twelve salbador no longer 3:20:12.840 --> 3:20:17.000 appear on any official list of, detainees which is concerning 3:20:17.200 --> 3:20:22.879 one of, Them Ricardo. Pradovasquez he's not among the two 3:20:22.959 --> 3:20:25.680 hundred and thirty eight people we know on the manifest 3:20:25.720 --> 3:20:28.920 for those sent Twelve. Salvador he doesn't appear to be 3:20:28.920 --> 3:20:31.280 In Venice, whaler which is where his passport is, from 3:20:31.760 --> 3:20:34.840 and the fact that the government claims that they sent. 3:20:34.959 --> 3:20:36.360 Him the government has said they sent him on The 3:20:36.360 --> 3:20:39.600 march fifteenth. Flights he's not listed. There he's not visible in. 3:20:39.640 --> 3:20:43.080 Photos has led to concerns that we might have sent 3:20:43.160 --> 3:20:45.680 more people To El salvador than we currently know. About 3:20:46.240 --> 3:20:49.560 he entered the country with A cbp one appointment, right 3:20:49.600 --> 3:20:52.600 which of all the ways to, enter is the one 3:20:52.600 --> 3:20:55.360 that THE us government was trying to force people to 3:20:55.480 --> 3:20:55.879 use at that. 3:20:55.959 --> 3:20:58.920 Time, right he very like legally entered the. 3:20:58.959 --> 3:21:01.480 Country, yes to be, clear he entered at a port 3:21:01.480 --> 3:21:05.480 of entry with an appointment to claim. Asylum he appears 3:21:05.520 --> 3:21:09.039 made a mistake when delivering food and ended up driving 3:21:09.080 --> 3:21:12.440 Into canada and was arrested when he attempted to return 3:21:12.480 --> 3:21:14.840 to The United. States he doesn't show up on THE 3:21:14.840 --> 3:21:20.040 ice detainee, locator and essentially no one knows where he is. 3:21:20.120 --> 3:21:23.840 Right this concern has been compounded by the fact that 3:21:23.879 --> 3:21:26.039 it also emerged this week that THE us has sent 3:21:26.120 --> 3:21:31.119 at least one, Detainee Omar abdul Sata amen To, rwanda 3:21:31.720 --> 3:21:34.720 and the combination of these two, things raises are concerned 3:21:34.720 --> 3:21:38.240 that they are sending third country nationals to detention in 3:21:38.320 --> 3:21:41.480 other countries that we are not yet aware. Of, right of, 3:21:41.520 --> 3:21:44.320 course The Rwanda plan was something that THE uk government 3:21:44.480 --> 3:21:48.160 hatched a long time, ago and The kagami government In 3:21:48.240 --> 3:21:52.520 rwanda seems to see this offer right as a way 3:21:52.760 --> 3:21:57.160 of gaining legitimacy with governments in the Global, north especially 3:21:57.200 --> 3:22:00.320 given the widespread criticism for his actions in The Democratic 3:22:00.320 --> 3:22:05.360 republic Of. Congo, recently from The, handbasket which is like 3:22:05.400 --> 3:22:10.920 a kind of substacky, outlet they've reviewed memos between THE 3:22:11.320 --> 3:22:14.440 us government and the embassy In, rwanda And i'm quoting 3:22:14.440 --> 3:22:16.640 from one of them. Here THE us provided a one 3:22:16.720 --> 3:22:20.000 time payment of one hundred thousand dollars to support social, 3:22:20.080 --> 3:22:24.960 services residency, documents and work. Permits rwanda has, also according 3:22:24.959 --> 3:22:28.200 to the Hand, basket agreed to accept ten more third country. 3:22:28.280 --> 3:22:31.280 Nationals so THE us is Paying rwanda a little bit 3:22:31.280 --> 3:22:32.960 more than it's Paying El salvador rate it was Paying 3:22:32.959 --> 3:22:36.160 El salbora twenty thousand per person per, year but it's 3:22:36.160 --> 3:22:41.320 a one time. Payment, NONETHELESS i struggled to believe that 3:22:41.360 --> 3:22:44.680 you could concoct a way in which it would Cost 3:22:44.760 --> 3:22:50.760 rwanda one hundred grand to produce a residency document and 3:22:50.800 --> 3:22:54.880 a work permit for An iraqi. National but, yeah this 3:22:56.120 --> 3:22:58.440 has obviously led to the concern that people are being 3:22:58.480 --> 3:23:00.480 sent to other places that we don't don't yet know 3:23:00.520 --> 3:23:01.959 about talking to people being. 3:23:01.760 --> 3:23:02.240 Sent to other. 3:23:02.280 --> 3:23:08.320 PLACES A us, Citizen Jose, hermosille was detained BY ice 3:23:08.760 --> 3:23:12.480 after approaching a border patrol agent to ask for. Directions 3:23:13.000 --> 3:23:16.920 he was detained for ten. DAYS dhs is claiming that 3:23:17.000 --> 3:23:20.520 he was arrested near The nogales border and that he 3:23:20.800 --> 3:23:24.120 approached the border patrol agent and upon doing, so identified 3:23:24.200 --> 3:23:26.920 himself as a non citizen who was not in the country, 3:23:27.040 --> 3:23:31.840 legally which is what they. Claim, yes So hermaiceo disputes 3:23:31.879 --> 3:23:35.879 this along with his. Lawyers he says he approached the 3:23:35.879 --> 3:23:39.000 agent looking for, directions having had a seizure and been 3:23:39.040 --> 3:23:40.080 in the hospital and when he. 3:23:40.000 --> 3:23:42.280 Got out of hospital was trying to work out where to. 3:23:42.360 --> 3:23:45.040 Go he is From New, mexico but he was visiting 3:23:45.040 --> 3:23:48.560 his girlfriend's family In. Tucson he told the agent he 3:23:48.600 --> 3:23:50.600 was From New, mexico and the agent accused him of. 3:23:50.760 --> 3:23:54.759 Lying in his, ACCOUNT dhs has to produce a transcript 3:23:55.080 --> 3:23:58.000 With i'm not going to call it a signature because 3:23:58.000 --> 3:23:58.640 it just has. 3:23:58.520 --> 3:23:59.880 The Word jose written underneath. 3:23:59.879 --> 3:24:04.720 It, Right Mister, hermercio according to his, girlfriend has some learning, 3:24:04.760 --> 3:24:09.280 difficulties and by her, account he wouldn't have been able 3:24:09.320 --> 3:24:12.879 to read The english language transcript that he's alleged to have. 3:24:12.959 --> 3:24:15.600 Signed so like, totally whether or not he signed this 3:24:15.720 --> 3:24:18.800 is rather a material. Right he, clearly judging by her, 3:24:18.840 --> 3:24:21.040 account was not aware that he was in. It judging by, 3:24:21.080 --> 3:24:23.080 this this is not even a signature with a last. 3:24:23.160 --> 3:24:27.640 Name it's laughable to suggest that he like consentingly signed. This, 3:24:27.720 --> 3:24:29.800 Yeah but nonetheless he was detained for ten days till 3:24:29.800 --> 3:24:32.039 his family produced his documents in. 3:24:32.080 --> 3:24:35.440 Court, yeah he was arrested quote unquote without proper immigration, 3:24:35.560 --> 3:24:39.680 documents which you don't carry around when you're A us. Citizen, 3:24:39.800 --> 3:24:42.880 yeah you're not obliged to, papers, please you don't need. 3:24:42.920 --> 3:24:45.640 That his family brought His Social security card certificate to, 3:24:45.720 --> 3:24:48.480 court and eventually the case against him was dismissed after 3:24:48.520 --> 3:24:51.879 being held By ice for ten. Days this reminds me 3:24:51.879 --> 3:24:55.560 of a similar case from this past, week where A 3:24:55.640 --> 3:25:00.440 us citizen was detained On wednesday the. Sixteenth this is 3:25:00.440 --> 3:25:03.840 a twenty year old born In, Georgia Juan Carlo's Lopez. 3:25:03.879 --> 3:25:06.760 Gomez he was pulled over while driving to work near 3:25:06.800 --> 3:25:10.640 The florida. Border he doesn't speak Much english Or. Spanish 3:25:10.800 --> 3:25:13.720 he speaks an indigenous mind, language but he gave his 3:25:13.760 --> 3:25:17.119 REAL id card And Social security card over to a state. 3:25:17.160 --> 3:25:21.000 Trooper he was detained and charged with illegally entering the 3:25:21.000 --> 3:25:25.480 state as a quote unquote unauthorized. Alien, similarly the trooper 3:25:25.600 --> 3:25:28.879 claims That Lopez gomez said that he was in the country. 3:25:28.920 --> 3:25:31.959 Illegally this is like some kind of communication error or 3:25:32.000 --> 3:25:35.760 these law enforcement officers are just like lying or trying 3:25:35.800 --> 3:25:39.000 to construct like language traps to make someone agree to 3:25:39.000 --> 3:25:41.680 a statement that admits that they're in the country, illegally 3:25:41.680 --> 3:25:44.720 which allows them to be. Detained he was put into 3:25:44.720 --> 3:25:47.400 a twenty four hour ice. Hoold the next, day a 3:25:47.400 --> 3:25:50.120 federal judge verified his birth, certificate which was brought by his, 3:25:50.160 --> 3:25:53.320 mother but claims to lack the authority to release, him 3:25:53.600 --> 3:25:57.360 though he was released Later thursday, night and he was 3:25:57.480 --> 3:26:00.800 arrested under a New florida law signed by The santas last, 3:26:00.840 --> 3:26:04.000 month which a judge blocked. Earlier this month On april. 3:26:04.040 --> 3:26:07.480 Fourth this basically allows the state troopers to act as 3:26:07.600 --> 3:26:10.959 their state's own like border, patrol and it penalizes immigrans 3:26:10.959 --> 3:26:13.920 who quote unquote knowingly enter or attempt to enter the 3:26:13.959 --> 3:26:17.480 state after entering The United states by eluding or avoiding 3:26:17.560 --> 3:26:20.279 examination or inspection by immigration officers. 3:26:20.480 --> 3:26:23.520 Unquote, yeah and like and like the common thing, here 3:26:23.600 --> 3:26:25.959 right is that they're just we've seen. This there are 3:26:26.000 --> 3:26:27.280 a bunch of other cases that are like this, too 3:26:27.320 --> 3:26:29.720 where it's just like they see someone who's not white 3:26:29.760 --> 3:26:31.320 and they're just, like, yeah fuck, it we can grab 3:26:31.360 --> 3:26:33.000 this person and then just lie about what they. Said 3:26:33.040 --> 3:26:35.640 it's like it's not even very based on racial. Profiling, 3:26:35.800 --> 3:26:37.320 yeah but it's like the things it's like it's not 3:26:37.320 --> 3:26:39.480 even it's not even like racial profiling. Anymore like it's 3:26:39.520 --> 3:26:43.800 it's they're just attempting to black bag like random non 3:26:43.800 --> 3:26:46.720 white people that they're just running. Across, yes and so 3:26:46.760 --> 3:26:48.520 of course they're like GRABBING us, citizens right cause they're 3:26:48.520 --> 3:26:50.400 just grabbing random. People but it's like they're just fucking 3:26:50.400 --> 3:26:53.280 doing this to. Everyone this has happened in other states as. 3:26:53.280 --> 3:26:56.280 Well there's been instance like, this like the past few 3:26:56.280 --> 3:26:59.640 months which have which have increased in frequency Since. 3:26:59.440 --> 3:27:03.320 Trump has taken. Office, yeah let's go on a break 3:27:03.400 --> 3:27:20.040 and return to talk. Tariff, okay we are. Back how's 3:27:20.080 --> 3:27:29.080 the how's the economy? Going locking jazz b rock jazz 3:27:29.200 --> 3:27:30.680 Bot Sary. 3:27:30.879 --> 3:27:36.959 Lockingcky Jazz bocky Jazz. 3:27:36.680 --> 3:27:40.520 Bob do not? Like, Okay, mia what can you tell 3:27:40.600 --> 3:27:44.039 us about tariffs this? Week so we got a look 3:27:44.400 --> 3:27:48.080 inside The White house this week at how the, tariff 3:27:48.160 --> 3:27:52.080 the turf tariff suspension. Happened, now remember so there was 3:27:52.120 --> 3:27:54.280 there was a deliberation day tariffs a few weeks ago 3:27:54.360 --> 3:27:57.320 and then they got suspended for ninety. Days so we're 3:27:57.360 --> 3:27:59.840 all still on the ninety day count jone clock on those. 3:28:00.160 --> 3:28:03.480 Unsuspended but we got a view of how that happened 3:28:04.760 --> 3:28:06.560 from The Wall Street, journal and The Wall Street journal 3:28:06.600 --> 3:28:11.160 reports That Secretary Treasurer Scott bessett And Commerce Secretary Howard 3:28:11.240 --> 3:28:16.039 lutnik basically waited Until trump Advisor Peter navarro was out 3:28:16.040 --> 3:28:18.360 of the, room and then it was in a, meeting 3:28:18.600 --> 3:28:20.640 and then they Cornered trump and we're, like you gotta 3:28:20.680 --> 3:28:22.520 roll these terror you gotta do this pause on the. 3:28:22.520 --> 3:28:26.800 Tariffs honestly, iconic you, KNOW i hate to say, it but. 3:28:27.080 --> 3:28:30.480 Iconic this was also all the FIRST trup administration, ran 3:28:30.760 --> 3:28:32.920 and everyone appears to have forgotten that this is how 3:28:32.959 --> 3:28:34.400 all of the shit works, well. 3:28:34.280 --> 3:28:36.400 Because there was a there were all those stories for 3:28:36.440 --> 3:28:39.120 the first couple of weeks about how smooth and well 3:28:39.200 --> 3:28:40.600 run it was and everything. 3:28:40.920 --> 3:28:45.039 Slow, yeah and the many people assume that there was 3:28:45.040 --> 3:28:47.240 like a plan behind, this and, like, no, NO i 3:28:47.320 --> 3:28:51.200 am fucking. Vindicated they really are just this fucking, Stupid, like, 3:28:51.280 --> 3:28:54.040 no there is not a grand strategy behind this sort 3:28:54.040 --> 3:28:55.160 of like tariff. 3:28:55.280 --> 3:28:55.680 Rollout. 3:28:55.760 --> 3:28:58.800 Right there is a senile old man and his stupid warring, 3:28:58.800 --> 3:29:02.160 advisors and they're both fighting each other basically for like 3:29:02.200 --> 3:29:04.600 they're they're they're they're they're trying like they're they're trying 3:29:04.600 --> 3:29:06.200 to wait until the other persons out of the room 3:29:06.240 --> 3:29:08.360 so they can grab control of the fucking puppet. Rains 3:29:09.520 --> 3:29:11.520 but this this does actually lay bare something that's sort 3:29:11.520 --> 3:29:13.320 of important about, this which is that like there is 3:29:13.320 --> 3:29:16.560 a huge fight inside of The trump administration between kind 3:29:16.600 --> 3:29:20.200 of lutnik who's like the representative of a bunch of 3:29:20.240 --> 3:29:22.880 different sort of sectors Of american, capital, Right like he 3:29:23.120 --> 3:29:27.080 he's a representative of like you're fucking Like walgreens, dipshits, 3:29:27.160 --> 3:29:29.440 right and like he's also representative of the with the finance, 3:29:29.480 --> 3:29:32.440 people and those people are losing their fucking minds over 3:29:32.440 --> 3:29:34.800 the tariffs because it's again going to destroy the. Economy 3:29:35.520 --> 3:29:38.480 But navarro is you, know it's just like a hardline 3:29:38.720 --> 3:29:42.040 sort of like Anti china. Ideologue And navarro is the 3:29:42.040 --> 3:29:45.200 person who's been driving the most intense versions of these, 3:29:45.240 --> 3:29:47.200 tariffs and it's a real issue for everyone else in 3:29:47.240 --> 3:29:49.879 the administration who doesn't want this to, happen Because navarro 3:29:50.040 --> 3:29:51.480 is like the one guy in the administration and The 3:29:51.520 --> 3:29:55.080 trump actually likes and so they can't directly move against 3:29:55.120 --> 3:29:57.440 him because they. Lose Like Elon musk tried this and 3:29:57.440 --> 3:30:00.920 like it got. Nowhere and so you know what we've 3:30:00.920 --> 3:30:05.000 been seeing is is just like, again the tariff policy 3:30:05.000 --> 3:30:06.879 here is just being set by who's the last person 3:30:06.879 --> 3:30:09.879 in the room with. Him, yeah so we're probably still 3:30:09.920 --> 3:30:13.119 like about sixty days ish out from these terroists coming 3:30:13.160 --> 3:30:15.480 back into a. FACT i, mean this basically means like 3:30:16.120 --> 3:30:18.120 they'll be hitting in the, summer which is also just 3:30:18.160 --> 3:30:22.040 like absolutely the worst conceivable time for these terrors to 3:30:22.080 --> 3:30:24.680 take effect in terms of like if you were just 3:30:24.680 --> 3:30:27.720 like deliberately trying to cause a massive popular mobilization against. 3:30:27.760 --> 3:30:28.560 You this is what you would. 3:30:28.600 --> 3:30:33.680 Do they're not, that they're just, dumb but, like you, 3:30:33.680 --> 3:30:36.840 know so, okay let's most move on to the sort 3:30:36.879 --> 3:30:39.480 of big news of this week is the press has 3:30:39.560 --> 3:30:44.040 been carrying stories About trump backing off of the one 3:30:44.120 --> 3:30:46.600 hundred and forty five Percent china tariffs and the fact 3:30:46.640 --> 3:30:48.600 that there's gonna be negotiations and it's all going to 3:30:48.640 --> 3:30:52.160 get wound, down and, Like i'm pretty sure this is 3:30:53.400 --> 3:30:56.520 just kind of pure lutnik shit to try to calm 3:30:56.520 --> 3:31:00.120 the markets. Down the issue with this story is that 3:31:00.280 --> 3:31:03.320 there are no, negotiations. Right everyone keeps talking about how 3:31:03.360 --> 3:31:05.400 THE us is going to do negotiated settlement With. China 3:31:05.440 --> 3:31:08.560 there have not been any. Negotiations there are not. Negotiations 3:31:08.720 --> 3:31:11.160 there has not even been a process to start negotiations 3:31:11.560 --> 3:31:14.000 because you, know the last stories we had about this 3:31:14.120 --> 3:31:16.440 is that like neither side wants to be the person 3:31:16.480 --> 3:31:19.640 to like start going to the table because like asking 3:31:19.680 --> 3:31:22.440 the other side for negotiations makes them look. Weak Like 3:31:22.840 --> 3:31:25.920 trump has been Asking china to ask him to cert of. 3:31:25.920 --> 3:31:30.160 Negotiations The chinese are refusing And the second issue, here 3:31:30.160 --> 3:31:32.120 and this is the more substantive problem with with a 3:31:32.160 --> 3:31:35.320 sort of negotiated back, out is that The Trump navarro 3:31:35.400 --> 3:31:40.120 position hinges on the line that the trade deficit inherently 3:31:40.720 --> 3:31:43.920 like With, china is proof Of chinese market. Manipulation and 3:31:43.959 --> 3:31:46.800 the thing, is there's no actual way to systematically address 3:31:46.879 --> 3:31:50.440 that right like, That there's nothing that like Either china 3:31:50.600 --> 3:31:53.040 or THE us could do that would that would reverse 3:31:53.080 --> 3:31:57.440 the trade. Deficit so there's no sort of like you, 3:31:57.480 --> 3:31:59.640 know like, yeah like like the obvious way out here 3:31:59.640 --> 3:32:01.440 will be for Like trump to take some kind of 3:32:01.480 --> 3:32:04.640 weird symbolic victory and Like china to be like we're 3:32:04.640 --> 3:32:06.600 doing a fenntional crackdown or some. Shit but the thing, is, 3:32:06.640 --> 3:32:10.720 like ideologically for someone Like, navarro And navarro is the 3:32:10.760 --> 3:32:13.840 important figure, here Like navarro just Wants china destroy, it, 3:32:14.000 --> 3:32:17.040 Right there's no actual negotiating process that he can do 3:32:17.800 --> 3:32:20.879 that will actually sort of like make this like negotiation 3:32:20.959 --> 3:32:24.400 shit happen and have it actually like eliminited. Tariffs the 3:32:24.440 --> 3:32:26.879 only thing that can happen basically is a political battle 3:32:26.879 --> 3:32:29.000 inside of The trump administration Where davarro gets pushed out. 3:32:29.040 --> 3:32:33.480 Somehow but, Again navarro is Like trump's. Guy SO i 3:32:34.080 --> 3:32:35.880 just don't buy all of, this all of the fucking 3:32:35.879 --> 3:32:36.520 stories that are coming. 3:32:36.520 --> 3:32:37.080 Out and this happens. 3:32:37.120 --> 3:32:38.879 Constantly every single time there's one of these, things there's 3:32:38.879 --> 3:32:40.959 all these stories being, like well they're gonna get rolled. 3:32:40.959 --> 3:32:42.640 Back it doesn't actually mean, this and that just. Happens, 3:32:42.720 --> 3:32:45.400 right we have one hundred and forty five percent rais On. China, 3:32:45.520 --> 3:32:47.080 now the last THING i want to talk about is 3:32:47.120 --> 3:32:49.440 what the actual effects of this has. Been and the 3:32:49.480 --> 3:32:51.560 effect is that it has. Been there's been a massive 3:32:51.879 --> 3:32:56.120 slow down and a massive like shutdown in in exports 3:32:56.200 --> 3:32:59.400 From china to THE, us like internship container ship. Traffic, 3:32:59.480 --> 3:33:02.600 right we're talking talking About i'm just gonna quote FROM cnbc. 3:33:02.760 --> 3:33:05.039 Here so they're talking About, optimizer which is like a 3:33:05.040 --> 3:33:07.720 tracking system for, ships and they, said, quote year on, 3:33:07.920 --> 3:33:10.920 year the data shows a forty four percent drop in 3:33:11.000 --> 3:33:14.120 vessels schedule to arrive the week Of may fourth To may. 3:33:14.160 --> 3:33:17.320 Tenth now that that's not actually necessarily a forty percent 3:33:17.560 --> 3:33:22.800 drop in, traffic because there'll be more shit when like 3:33:22.879 --> 3:33:26.360 other boats get. Full but you, know to put this into, perspective, 3:33:26.440 --> 3:33:29.120 right during the worst for, trade the worst parts of 3:33:29.120 --> 3:33:30.879 THE covid lockdowns the year and a year drop was 3:33:30.879 --> 3:33:34.119 only twenty, Percent so and twenty percent is the number 3:33:34.160 --> 3:33:35.720 that's been that's been being spread around the media for 3:33:35.800 --> 3:33:38.000 like what roughly the drop looks like for some companies 3:33:38.080 --> 3:33:41.520 is larger than. Others and, again the, tariff we still 3:33:41.520 --> 3:33:44.440 haven't even seen the actual shocks of the tariffs, yet 3:33:45.000 --> 3:33:48.160 and we're already seeing a decline in experts From china 3:33:48.200 --> 3:33:51.879 that is like again around the level of the. Lockdowns 3:33:52.280 --> 3:33:54.280 and and you, KNOW i think like people remember like 3:33:54.320 --> 3:33:58.680 the kind of unhinged shit that that, caused, right and 3:33:59.000 --> 3:34:01.360 that's something that always only going to. Intensify and the 3:34:01.400 --> 3:34:03.520 other part of, this right is that the strategies right 3:34:03.560 --> 3:34:05.840 now for how this is being dealt with is moving Through, 3:34:05.920 --> 3:34:09.520 vietnam moving Through. Cambodia but if you remember the rates 3:34:09.840 --> 3:34:13.680 from the original sort of like turf tariffs From Liberation, day, 3:34:13.800 --> 3:34:16.240 right like the terif On vietnam was like one hundred 3:34:16.240 --> 3:34:18.200 percent or some, shit it was like eighty. PERCENT i don't, 3:34:18.200 --> 3:34:22.359 remember zap my. Head but like there's no actual viable 3:34:22.400 --> 3:34:25.400 strategy of just of ways you can route these goods 3:34:25.440 --> 3:34:29.360 through and it's been especially hitting the sort of drop shipping, companies, 3:34:29.440 --> 3:34:31.480 right like people Like temu and anything that relies on 3:34:31.520 --> 3:34:34.520 airfhrase just getting. Fucked and so this this is all 3:34:34.640 --> 3:34:36.960 just you, know just sort of rolling in the, background 3:34:37.160 --> 3:34:40.920 is just this logistics, crisis and it's it's it's also 3:34:40.959 --> 3:34:42.520 an echoing. Crisis and this THING i actually want to 3:34:42.520 --> 3:34:46.240 close this section on is, That, like so the big 3:34:46.360 --> 3:34:49.520 issue with with these sort of empty, boats, right and 3:34:49.560 --> 3:34:52.360 these cancelations at boat, waters is that in order for 3:34:52.400 --> 3:34:55.080 it to be, profitable because all of these these shipping 3:34:55.080 --> 3:34:58.720 companies run on such low, margins, right they only barely 3:34:58.760 --> 3:35:00.920 survived the pandemic by taking out a series of just 3:35:00.920 --> 3:35:03.959 like unhinged sort of like weird collateral based. Loans and 3:35:04.000 --> 3:35:06.160 in order for these companies to be, profitable they have 3:35:06.200 --> 3:35:09.320 to continuously keep on completely filling up. 3:35:09.360 --> 3:35:09.640 Ships. 3:35:09.680 --> 3:35:11.080 Right if a ship is not, full it is not 3:35:11.120 --> 3:35:13.440 profitable for them to run, it, so you, know and 3:35:14.000 --> 3:35:17.320 if that's if that's not, happening the entire system literally 3:35:17.320 --> 3:35:19.520 grinds to a halt until there's enough orders to move things. 3:35:19.560 --> 3:35:22.520 Through so even the ship that there is demand, for, 3:35:22.760 --> 3:35:26.240 right can't be shipped because these shipping companies cannot afford 3:35:26.320 --> 3:35:29.440 to unless the entire thing is. Full so the supply 3:35:29.480 --> 3:35:31.000 chain disruptions that we are going to see from, this 3:35:31.400 --> 3:35:33.280 as this sort of escalus and as this, continues and 3:35:33.360 --> 3:35:36.600 especially in a few months if the liberation dataies go 3:35:36.640 --> 3:35:39.680 back into, effect are, Catastrophic and we really, like it's 3:35:39.720 --> 3:35:41.360 just what it's this. Way you can hear the, thunder 3:35:41.400 --> 3:35:43.800 you can see the, lightning but the storm hasn't hit, 3:35:43.879 --> 3:35:46.440 yet and it is going to and when it, DOES 3:35:47.600 --> 3:35:49.360 i don't. KNOW i was trying to do a poetic 3:35:49.360 --> 3:35:51.040 thing about how we're all going to get fucking, drenched 3:35:51.080 --> 3:35:54.840 but we're. Fucked it's going to be unbelievably. Bad and 3:35:54.879 --> 3:35:57.400 the only process right now inside of the administration that 3:35:57.440 --> 3:36:03.760 doesn't involve like some kind of mobilization is, like, again 3:36:03.920 --> 3:36:07.600 Is leutnik winning this fucking intra intra administration political battle With? 3:36:07.640 --> 3:36:12.640 Navarro so, woo, well pre order Your nintendo switch too right. 3:36:12.680 --> 3:36:19.240 Now. Yes in other, news The Minnesota Attorney general is 3:36:19.280 --> 3:36:22.400 assuming The trump headmin over the executive order about trans 3:36:22.400 --> 3:36:26.440 women participating in school, sports saying he will quote not 3:36:26.480 --> 3:36:30.480 to participate in a shameful bullying and also says that 3:36:30.560 --> 3:36:34.640 this order violates The Minnesota Human Rights. Act so we'll 3:36:34.680 --> 3:36:37.920 see some more court cases over this in the weeks to. 3:36:38.080 --> 3:36:41.400 Come i'd like to talk a little bit about the 3:36:41.440 --> 3:36:45.320 student crackdowns For palestine, protests kind of in a different 3:36:45.320 --> 3:36:49.120 way like we've, discussed LIKE ice going after and detaining 3:36:49.160 --> 3:36:53.240 and deporting and taking away visas and green, cards so 3:36:53.400 --> 3:36:56.440 unrelated to that side of. It on the morning Of, 3:36:56.520 --> 3:36:59.959 Wednesday april twenty, third THE fbi served multiple search war 3:37:00.520 --> 3:37:05.440 in Southeast, michigan presumably related To palestine protests and encampments 3:37:05.720 --> 3:37:09.040 from the past. Year there's also some reporting of law 3:37:09.120 --> 3:37:12.840 enforcement activity in other states Like, pennsylvania But i'm still 3:37:12.879 --> 3:37:16.160 waiting to confirm. That the press secretary for The Michigan 3:37:16.200 --> 3:37:20.359 Attorney general confirms investigators executed search warrants for three. Homes 3:37:20.680 --> 3:37:24.199 he said that people were briefly detained during the execution 3:37:24.240 --> 3:37:27.280 of these, warrants but they were all eventually, released and he, 3:37:27.400 --> 3:37:31.120 noted quote there is no immigration enforcement angle to the 3:37:31.120 --> 3:37:35.080 execution of these search warrants, unquote so these people aren't 3:37:35.080 --> 3:37:38.959 being investigated BY ice to get deported. Necessarily this is 3:37:38.959 --> 3:37:42.840 seemingly for other protest. ACTIVITY a Pro palestine student group 3:37:42.879 --> 3:37:45.480 says that these rates happened at around eight. Am. Quote 3:37:45.600 --> 3:37:49.000 early this, morning police AN fbi agents rated for residences 3:37:49.360 --> 3:37:53.840 of The university Of michigan Pro palestine, protesters refusing to show. 3:37:53.879 --> 3:37:58.000 Warrants they seized all electronics and a number of personal. Belongings. 3:37:58.360 --> 3:38:03.120 Quote let's close this episode by returning to my Most 3:38:03.400 --> 3:38:08.760 Stephen Colbert Skibbity biden, Segment Stinky, musk which is still 3:38:08.800 --> 3:38:11.800 the worst Name i've come up. With Last, Tuesday Elon 3:38:11.879 --> 3:38:14.320 musk said that quote working for the government to get 3:38:14.320 --> 3:38:18.160 the financial house in order is mostly done, Unquote So 3:38:18.320 --> 3:38:20.680 musk is moving closer to stepping back FROM doge this, 3:38:21.000 --> 3:38:24.039 may around the time that his special Government employee designation 3:38:24.320 --> 3:38:27.960 is set to. Expire reporting From Washington post claims That 3:38:28.040 --> 3:38:32.320 musk is growing tired of the vicious and unethical attacks 3:38:32.360 --> 3:38:35.000 from the left and that is kind of dragging on, 3:38:35.080 --> 3:38:38.360 him with other reports suggesting That musk is annoying Other 3:38:38.480 --> 3:38:42.800 cabinet members and administration officials more Than trump. Himself in, 3:38:42.840 --> 3:38:46.760 fact just This, wednesday a few hours before, Recording musk And, 3:38:46.840 --> 3:38:50.040 bessett we're having a pretty intense shouting match in The White. 3:38:50.040 --> 3:38:53.400 House going, Forward musk says that he plans to work 3:38:53.400 --> 3:38:56.400 for the government about one to two days a week 3:38:56.520 --> 3:38:59.040 for the remainder of The trump presidency so that he 3:38:59.080 --> 3:39:01.800 can quote make sure that the waste and fraud that 3:39:01.840 --> 3:39:04.000 we've stopped does not come roaring. 3:39:04.120 --> 3:39:04.360 Back. 3:39:04.760 --> 3:39:07.400 Quote he keeps referring to his work At dogs like 3:39:07.480 --> 3:39:10.640 being already, completed, essentially like we already found all of the, 3:39:10.640 --> 3:39:12.200 fraud and now we just have to make sure more 3:39:12.240 --> 3:39:16.879 fraud doesn't. Happen we've previously reported on the alleged fraud 3:39:16.920 --> 3:39:20.000 that he claims to have found and the false numbers 3:39:20.160 --> 3:39:22.320 up on The doge. Site but it seems like this 3:39:22.360 --> 3:39:25.400 work really is like winding down the Musk doge like 3:39:25.480 --> 3:39:27.560 reply to this email with five things you've done this 3:39:27.600 --> 3:39:30.879 week or else be. Fired directive has essentially sputted out 3:39:30.920 --> 3:39:33.120 senior officials do not comply with the core aspects of the. 3:39:33.160 --> 3:39:36.920 Directive it was never really, enforced and The Trump office 3:39:36.920 --> 3:39:40.360 Of Personal management later said that this was voluntary and 3:39:40.400 --> 3:39:44.080 THAT opium officials may have never actually ever read those 3:39:44.160 --> 3:39:48.880 response emails at. All though a small number of agencies 3:39:48.879 --> 3:39:52.800 are still requiring compliance with this, mandate and in some fun, 3:39:52.840 --> 3:39:56.520 News tesla stock just continues to, decline dropping to half 3:39:56.560 --> 3:40:00.520 its peak from Last december and Anti testla vandalism potentially 3:40:00.560 --> 3:40:04.440 spiking the cost Of tesla. Insurance tesla had a just 3:40:04.520 --> 3:40:08.879 disastrous earnings call This, Tuesday april twenty, second showing That 3:40:08.959 --> 3:40:13.360 tesla profits have fell seventy one percent over the first 3:40:13.480 --> 3:40:16.640 three months of the. Year the total revenue was decreased 3:40:16.720 --> 3:40:19.640 nine percent compared to twenty twenty, four with car sales 3:40:19.680 --> 3:40:23.120 revenue dropping twenty percent compared to a year. Earlier The 3:40:23.200 --> 3:40:27.120 TESLA cfo stated that quote the negative impact of vandalism 3:40:27.160 --> 3:40:31.440 and unwarranted hostility towards our brand and our people had 3:40:31.480 --> 3:40:36.080 an impact in certain markets. Unquote in a company statement 3:40:36.160 --> 3:40:39.400 before this earnings, Call tesla claimed that quote, unquote a 3:40:39.520 --> 3:40:45.160 changing political sentiment could impact demand for their. Product musk 3:40:45.160 --> 3:40:47.080 announced that he would be shifting his attention back To 3:40:47.120 --> 3:40:51.360 tesla and that His doge time allocation will quote unquote drop. 3:40:51.480 --> 3:40:57.000 Significantly musk talked tariffs on this earnings call and tried 3:40:57.000 --> 3:41:01.360 to carefully like not Bash, trump whilst stating concerns over 3:41:01.400 --> 3:41:04.160 the high, tariffs saying, Quote i've been on the record 3:41:04.200 --> 3:41:07.480 many times as SAYING i believe lower tariffs are generally 3:41:07.520 --> 3:41:10.440 a good, idea but this decision is fundamentally up to 3:41:10.440 --> 3:41:13.280 the elected representative of the, people being The president of 3:41:13.320 --> 3:41:16.560 The United. States so you, Know i'll continue to advocate 3:41:16.600 --> 3:41:18.680 for lower, tariffs but that's ALL i can. 3:41:18.760 --> 3:41:18.960 Do. 3:41:19.520 --> 3:41:24.480 Unquote any thoughts On musk And tesla here before we. 3:41:24.520 --> 3:41:27.760 Close, yeah one THING i want to remind everyone that 3:41:27.879 --> 3:41:31.040 is genuinely good news is that the thing About tesla 3:41:31.120 --> 3:41:34.400 sales dropping is that it actually fucks them in two different, 3:41:34.440 --> 3:41:36.480 ways right because because again most of the most of 3:41:36.520 --> 3:41:39.080 their money is from these carbon credits that they're. Selling 3:41:39.400 --> 3:41:40.640 but the thing, is in order to be able to 3:41:40.640 --> 3:41:42.360 get the carbon, credits they do need to be able 3:41:42.400 --> 3:41:46.119 to sell cars. Totally and so each like subsequent cycle 3:41:46.120 --> 3:41:48.920 of people not buying cars is also destroying their carbon credit, 3:41:48.959 --> 3:41:51.240 subsidies which is like this sort of like spiraling like 3:41:51.600 --> 3:41:55.400 cash crisis. Thing so you, know, look Zero tesla sales as, 3:41:55.480 --> 3:41:57.720 possible we can keep driving. 3:41:57.879 --> 3:42:00.800 Of better world as, possible can destroy these. 3:42:00.840 --> 3:42:03.959 Bastards we can ruin. 3:42:04.040 --> 3:42:08.520 This one guy specifically's, life and it's not even that. 3:42:08.680 --> 3:42:12.959 Difficult so, yeah, well we reported the. 3:42:12.959 --> 3:42:15.360 News we reported the. 3:42:15.400 --> 3:42:23.400 News, Hey we'll be Back monday with more episodes every 3:42:23.440 --> 3:42:25.160 week from now until the Heat death of the. 3:42:25.240 --> 3:42:28.560 Universe it Could Happen here is a production of Cool Zone. 3:42:28.600 --> 3:42:31.640 Media for more podcasts from Cool Zone, media visit our 3:42:31.680 --> 3:42:35.480 website coolzonmedia dot com or check us out on The iHeartRadio, 3:42:35.520 --> 3:42:39.280 App Apple, podcasts or wherever you listen to. 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