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Speaker 1: could Happen here, a podcast about it happening here, which is,

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the Martian Revolution, with the great Mike

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Speaker 1: Duncan of the Revolutions podcast Mia Wong joining me on

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Speaker 1: this interview. Welcome to the show, Mike, Thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for having me. So let's talk about this because

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Speaker 1: you know, I've kept up and been listen listening to

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Speaker 1: Revolutions for years, and I started seeing messages earlier this

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Speaker 2: I did not expect that at all, not at all.

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Speaker 2: What has been happening to me has been one of

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Speaker 2: horrifying and I hate it. Yeah, welcome to the club.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, you guys have to change in

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Speaker 2: the name of your show. Is that there's no good

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Speaker 2: You know, I've had the notion to do this Martian

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Speaker 2: you see this in nineteen seventeen, You see this seventeen

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Speaker 2: eighty nine, and then seventeen ninety two, where there is

436
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Speaker 2: that first wave of sort of revolution that overthrows the sovereign,

437
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Speaker 2: and then there is a second wave that overthrows the

438
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Speaker 2: people who did it first. And so you know, you

439
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 2: can hold out hope for you know, getting the job

440
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Speaker 2: done without thinking that elites do play some role in all.

441
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Speaker 1: Of that, right, Yeah, Yeah, I think that's a great point.

442
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Speaker 4: One of the things that I wanted to ask you

443
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Speaker 4: about sort of shifting gears a little bit, was about

444
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,120
Speaker 4: how you were thinking about the deportations when you were

445
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 4: writing it, and how you were thinking about the way

446
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 4: that kind of this like generalized antideportation organizing like turns

447
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 4: into that, and the sort of mutual aid networks that

448
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 4: the Society Martians are doing like directly turns into this thing.

449
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 4: And that's just something that I don't know, it feels

450
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 4: very prescients in ways, even though it was written out

451
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 4: before a lot of this stuff happens.

452
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the deportation stuff is just because of my own

453
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 2: personal political commitments over the course of my adult life, right,

454
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Speaker 2: which is that we have an insanely cruel immigration system

455
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Speaker 2: in this country, you know, and and you know, we

456
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: they say like, oh, we've got this like open borders,

457
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 2: Like we do not have open borders. It is actually

458
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 2: really really hard to like navigate your way properly through

459
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Speaker 2: the American immigration system. That's true. The system itself is broken.

460
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: And we did all of this, you know, we did

461
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Speaker 2: the worst of the horrors with Trump, right, Like obviously

462
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 2: that is on my mind with you know, with family

463
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 2: separations and putting people in camps and abusing people and

464
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 2: rounding people up, like all of this stuff which happened

465
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Speaker 2: under Trump, Yes, but it also happened under Obama for

466
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Speaker 2: eight years, and it happened for another four years under Biden.

467
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: It's just that we kind of stopped talking about it

468
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 2: because it wasn't Trump who was doing it. And there

469
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: is a through line of cruelty inside of this system

470
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Speaker 2: towards immigrants, So that issue of deportation and like rounding

471
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Speaker 2: people up and evicting them, especially those who have lived

472
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Speaker 2: in this place their entire life. Like that's one of

473
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Speaker 2: the points that I make, Like the people who are

474
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Speaker 2: being fired are like born and raised on Mars. Like

475
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Speaker 2: one of the main characters, Alexandra Clare, she is a

476
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 2: fourth generation Martian and she just gets caught up in

477
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 2: these like stupid layoffs that Timothy Werner is pushing through.

478
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Speaker 2: And now the only choice that she has is to

479
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: either hide or get deported to Saturn where and nobody's

480
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Speaker 2: ever come back from Saturn. We have no idea what

481
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Speaker 2: happens on Saturn, because all they know is that nobody

482
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Speaker 2: ever comes back from Saturn. And this is a thing

483
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: like taking people who have born and raised in America.

484
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Speaker 2: This is the only place that they have ever known,

485
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Speaker 2: right even if they came here when they were like one,

486
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 2: like okay, born here, but like they here since they

487
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 2: were one, and then you're like, okay, we're going to

488
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: send you back to Mexico. They're not from Mexico. They

489
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: don't know anybody in Mexico. They don't probably even speak

490
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: Spanish half the time, you know, And doing this to

491
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: people is cruel. It is unconscionable what we do to people.

492
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 2: And so yeah, like so when I was thinking to myself, Okay,

493
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: I'm all right, this like fictional revolution and it's going

494
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: to be on Mars. What are some of the things

495
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 2: that I want to do that will make the revolution happen? Yeah,

496
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: some of this does is like a little bit of

497
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: like this is these are Mike's political interests and the

498
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 2: deportation issue, and trying to highlight the horror of the

499
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Speaker 2: deportation issue and laud those who would hide those people

500
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Speaker 2: and help those people and bring those people food. Like

501
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: the bravest people going are the ones who like go

502
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: out and leave you know, water jugs out in the

503
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: middle of the desert so people don't die, right, And

504
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: the cruelest thing is these guys who go out and

505
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: then break those knowing that people are going to knowing

506
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 2: that people are going to like die of dehydration and

507
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: die of starva, but just not care because they don't

508
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: care about those people.

509
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Speaker 1: That's one of the sickest things to me, Like, it's

510
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: just that there's information coming out now that there's that

511
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: horrible video of that ICE agent smashing the window of

512
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: that woman's car to deport her, and then the informations

513
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: come out that he is a deputized volunteer border guy.

514
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: And you know what's really happened if you look at it,

515
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: is we've kind of recreated in a decentralized form the

516
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: eindset Skrupa, right, like, instead of having a centralized state

517
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: having to raise these organizations that are going to be

518
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: carrying out this kind of violence. Like it's it's largely

519
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: become something that vigilantes have gotten into on their own

520
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: as part of like just their's special interest in hurting

521
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: people at scale. And it's it's such a uniquely it's

522
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 1: so uniquely tied to like this American individualism. It's such

523
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: a uniquely sick thing about the way things work here

524
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Speaker 1: that that's happening, Like that wouldn't have happened, not that

525
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: Germany is you know that German culture in the thirties

526
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: was better, but it wouldn't have happened because it was

527
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Speaker 1: a different kind of culture.

528
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, and then it's really important to remember

529
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: that this is not just a Trump problem, Like what

530
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 2: he's doing right now is like, of course, like we

531
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: are entering next levels beyond next levels of what he's doing.

532
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: And even you know, just this morning, we've got an

533
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: American citizen who has been held and they are not

534
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 2: being released despite the passport and the Social Security card

535
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: being shown to the judge, and the judge is like,

536
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: I don't I can't actually release this person. Yeah, that's

537
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: sort of where we're at now. But this has been

538
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 2: an ongoing thing for twenty years, across both parties and

539
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: both administrations, and nothing really has like sort of churned

540
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: my stomach more since Trump got elected than all of

541
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: the Democrats and people doing like sort of post mortems

542
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 2: on the election and being like, well, you know, we

543
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: really should be tougher on the border, and we really

544
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: should sort of like buy into this framing that there

545
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: is this like invasion and we just need to do

546
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: border enforcement better. Like and they're then even moving and

547
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: positioning themselves to a place where it's like Trump's not

548
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: even doing a good job protecting the border, and like

549
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: there was somebody I forget even who it was, but

550
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: somebody one of them senators like tweeted, you know, this

551
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: time last year, Biden had deported this many people and

552
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: Trump isn't even deporting that many people. And he was

553
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: like trying to make this point that like Trump wasn't

554
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: following through on his promises or something was like do

555
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: you even hear yourself? Like, do you even hear yourself? Yeah? Yeah,

556
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: it really is. And I can't you know, stomach the

557
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: fact that Democrats are are going to take away from

558
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: all this that the American people love cruelty towards immigrants

559
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: and that that we need to lean into that. Yes,

560
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: And then you see the polls before all the tariffs

561
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: stuff and all this stuff is going on, and he

562
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: Trump is still sitting at like fifty percent approval, and

563
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't maybe they're right, Maybe the American

564
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,239
Speaker 2: people really do just love this.

565
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 4: So I mean, I think the other the other side

566
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 4: of that though, and this is, you know, part of

567
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 4: the reason I brought up specifically like the resistance to

568
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 4: it was it like the other aspect of the kind

569
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 4: of individualism of American culture was that it also meant

570
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 4: that there, you know, a bunch of people went out

571
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Speaker 4: to the desert. Like our coworker James, spent a lot

572
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 4: of time during the Biden administration like at these I

573
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 4: mean just like the open air prisons they built in

574
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 4: the middle of the fucking desert, like on the border,

575
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 4: and you know, and like like one of the stories

576
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 4: that he covered extensively was that like probably most of

577
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 4: these people would have died if it wasn't for like

578
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 4: literally border volunteers like passing food and water to the bars.

579
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 4: And that's something that I was thinking about a lot,

580
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: looking at the mutual aid networks and looking at the

581
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 4: kind of mutual aid networks that trans people are building

582
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 4: up right now, and like, I mean, I okay, like

583
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 4: there's I mean, there's always been a million mutual aid

584
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Speaker 4: networks because it's just impossible to survive if you're trans

585
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 4: without like getting stuff from other trans people.

586
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Speaker 2: We're not supposed to do anything alone, man, We're not

587
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 2: supposed to do anything at Yeah. Well right, yeah, that's nothing.

588
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: We're not supposed to be doing anything alone.

589
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's honestly, the most optimistic thing about your

590
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: podcast is that, like Martian society develops this very communal

591
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: because it's we're living in like an art artificial habitat,

592
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: and if shit goes really wrong, everyone dies at once.

593
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: You have to have this more collaborative, collective attitude towards

594
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: safety and security that is just so completely absent from

595
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: American culture. It's the thing that continually sends me into

596
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: the darkest spirals is because there's there's no fixing the

597
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: fundamental underlying problems without fixing that.

598
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like on Mars, you know that that sort

599
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: of communal stuff is like they're also living in close quarters,

600
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: so you can't really be somebody who needs to be alone, right,

601
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: That's the thing. And then also like in terms of

602
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: like the early colonization of Mars, like, yeah, you have

603
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: to do this stuff together. And like there's there's a

604
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: like when I was doing like cultural like there's cultural

605
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: background like like works and and you know, like music

606
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: that was going on that the Martians were creating. And

607
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: I can't quite get into this, but there is a

608
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: song that I've got like half written called the Ballad

609
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: of Lonely Joe, which is like a it's like a

610
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: Martian folk song about lonely Joe who went off and

611
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: tried to like do it himself, but and then he

612
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: never comes back and now lonely Joe like wanders the

613
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: red sands of Mars because like he tried to go

614
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: out and not do it like with the group and

615
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 2: not do it with the community, because you can't survive

616
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: alone on Mars. Yeah, but to your other point, Like,

617
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: one of the things that I definitely wrote into the

618
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: show is that everybody on Mars has a skin chip

619
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: in their hand, and the skinship in their hand is

620
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: what opens door. It like literally opens doors, and it

621
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: gives them access to the Commissary, and it gives them

622
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: access to restaurants, it gives them access to food and employment.

623
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: Like everything goes through that skinship. And when the people

624
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: get fired by Werner, their skin chips just get turned

625
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: off effectively, and it doesn't it doesn't open doors anymore.

626
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: They can't get food anymore. They are living inside of

627
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,239
Speaker 2: a society that they literally cannot interact with anymore. And

628
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: so it took other Martians around them, and so there's

629
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: a thing in the show called the no Doors movement,

630
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: which is Martians jamming open doors so that the people

631
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: who have they were called the annulled because their contracts

632
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: were annulled. Yeah, but so so that the annulled could

633
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: get from here to there without needing their skin chip. Yeah,

634
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: those are the kinds of things that you know are

635
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: are necessary, and those are the kinds of things that

636
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: are going to protect people. And I hope that those

637
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: things are going on out there, and I hope that

638
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: none of us publicly state right now what we may

639
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: or may not be doing that front. Yeah, let's just

640
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: go ahead and keep that words at.

641
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the don't fed post on

642
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: social media or in your podcast thing.

643
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, something you touched on there, I think is interesting

644
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 4: about about the way that I being forced to live

645
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 4: together like creates this consciousness. It reminds me a lot

646
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 4: of I was a student. I was an anthropology student,

647
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 4: and one of the things that we read was this

648
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: the sort of classic of I guess, I guess you'd

649
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 4: call it like structurals, Marxists, like anthropology from the eighties.

650
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 4: It's this book called Wet the Minds and the Minds

651
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 4: Eat Us, which is about these indigenous bolivion Tins. And

652
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: one of the things that I always struck me about

653
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 4: that was, you know, like because they're all they're all

654
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: literally like sleeping next to each other, like in these rooms,

655
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 4: you can literally hear like the stomach of like the

656
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: child next to you, like rumbling at night because I

657
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 4: don't have enough food, and that like turns them into

658
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 4: like one of the most militant sort of like working class.

659
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 4: I mean, for like a hundred years they are like

660
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 4: like they're syndicalists and then their communists and like they're

661
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 4: they're one of those Miltont things. And I, I don't know,

662
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 4: it's it's interesting to me that that this is like

663
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 4: this aspect of the society that that you've you know,

664
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Speaker 4: you've sort of drawn out of of these historical revolutions

665
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 4: where a key element of it again is is this

666
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 4: sort of collectivity. And also there's this like if you

667
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: look at like the trajectory of like the modern American

668
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 4: state and like the modern just the modern development of capitalism,

669
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 4: it's been specifically trying to make that stuff not happen

670
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 4: by like kicking people into suburbs and like trying to

671
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: physically alienate people. And I was, I don't know, I

672
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 4: was wonder how much you were sort of thinking about

673
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff when you were like writing the

674
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 4: cultural aspects of this.

675
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: Sure, No, that's that stuff is all in my mind,

676
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: and like I said, like, we're not meant to do

677
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: anything alone, Like humans are communal creatures. Like you don't

678
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: go anywhere in history, like all the way back to

679
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: the dawn of the species, you do not find individual

680
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: humans like living by themselves. We have always done this

681
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: as a group. This has always been a group project.

682
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: And like when you go back, because this is something

683
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: that comes out of sort of like I study a

684
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: lot of like political theory in school and those state

685
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: of nature sort of works, you know, these thought experiments

686
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: that like Thomas Paine would do or Rousseau would do,

687
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: and you know it's like, how did we come together?

688
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: Why did we come together? Well, let's first imagine like

689
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: an individual human wandering through the forest and like they

690
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 2: encounter another one, so they come together for defense and

691
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: they come together, you know, to share food and do

692
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: some division of labor. And it's like, no, there's no

693
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: such thing as a human wandering alone. That's not a thing.

694
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: Like any outgrowth that comes from our description of what

695
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: human society is, like, whether it's defense or the division

696
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: of labor, begins with the fact that we are already

697
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: a group. There is a mother, there is a child,

698
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: there is a father, there, there are aunts and uncles

699
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: and others, like whatever the group is there, we are

700
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: always doing this as a group. And hyper individualization and

701
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 2: hyper adamization of our society is something that is trying

702
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: to undo one of the most fundamental parts of what

703
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: it means to be human. This is something that I

704
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: thought about a lot too, because when I started having kids,

705
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: and you know, I have two kids, and the model

706
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: for like having a family at this point is like

707
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: you have a mother, a father or whatever, you have kids,

708
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: but the point being that they are a unit that

709
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 2: is unto itself, and they live in their own house,

710
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 2: and they have to supply their own food, and they

711
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: are in charge of getting their own money, and everything

712
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: that happens is just up to that little nuclear family.

713
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 2: And the nuclear family is not really how we've ever

714
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: done it before. Now. There's always been a broad network,

715
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: a broad fad family friend network that has been a

716
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: part of you know, raising our kids and having our families.

717
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: And you know, if something bad happens, we don't just say,

718
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: oh wow, bad luck for them. You know, you support

719
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: that person. Yeah, And that is something that we've really

720
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 2: gotten away from as a society.

721
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: Obviously, and it's something that we've been pulled away from purposefully, right,

722
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: like the atomization isn't isn't just a byproduct of incentives,

723
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: right like it is a it is a directed move.

724
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you just got to look back to some

725
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: of the shit Thatcher was saying. Right, there's no such

726
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: thing as a society. There are men and women, and

727
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: there are families. Right, this is a directed change. And

728
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this in like the conspiratorial since I'm

729
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: saying this a a This is what a lot of people,

730
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: a lot of the worst people in our society believe

731
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: because it's convenient for them, and they have pushed to

732
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: make that belief more common and done so by funding

733
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: think tanks and funding media organizations.

734
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: In part right, I was actually.

735
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: About to quote literally that exact thing. But the interesting

736
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: part to me about that Thatcher line is that everyone,

737
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 4: almost everyone who quotes that line only quotes the part

738
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: about their are only individuals and then leaves out the

739
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 4: part about the family, yes, which which I think is

740
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 4: a really important connection to to what you were saying,

741
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 4: where it's like their vision of the family is also

742
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 4: still fundamentally this isolated group because yes, they still need

743
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 4: some kind of collective because again, you literally you can't

744
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 4: just like leave it, leave a baby like out in

745
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 4: the woods.

746
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: It just dies.

747
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 5: Right.

748
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 4: But like they had, they had to like create this

749
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 4: version to to be the like the political base of

750
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 4: their thing. They had to create this, this one collective

751
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 4: that would be cut off from everything else that had

752
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 4: normally made it a collective.

753
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: Yep.

754
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: You know people think these days that that atomized nuclear

755
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: family is like the law of nature, right, that this

756
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: is like this is the way it's always been, and

757
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: like that's not true. It's just not true. There's a

758
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: great line I don't have it right in front of

759
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: me at the moment, but in uh in Tokeville's oustieon

760
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: regime in the French Revolution, which is really dynamite but

761
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: everybody should read. At the end of it, he lays

762
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: it out. He's writing this in like the eighteen forties

763
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: and eighteen fifties, and he straight up says that like

764
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: what liberal capitalism is doing, which he was himself. I mean,

765
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: he's a conservative liberal. Like it's not like he's on

766
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: the left or anything, but he's he's watching as the

767
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: atomization of families and individuals is happening, and He's like,

768
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: and that's how that's what tyranny thrives on. Tyranny thrives

769
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: when everybody is disconnected from everybody else and everybody is

770
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: in competition with everybody else. Because that's the other key

771
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 2: part of it is your family is now pitted against

772
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: every other family in terms of like getting money, getting jobs,

773
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: like getting that, getting this other thing. Like we're all

774
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: scrambling out there in a competition to get a little

775
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: bit more, a little bit better, or just you know,

776
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: have enough. Like I feel this every time I have

777
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: to sign the kids up for like summer camp, you know,

778
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: like I'm at war with every other family in the

779
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: neighborhood because I'm just trying to get my kid into

780
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: this camp and some people aren't gonna make it and

781
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: other people will, and you got to be there, and

782
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: you gotta have strategies about when to log onto the thing,

783
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: like because they because they they're pitting us against each

784
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: other like all the time, in all those little subtle ways.

785
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 6: Yep.

786
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: I think that's what's optimistic kind of about the Martian

787
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: Revolution is like, you know, on the one hand, there

788
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 4: is this kind of like collective society, but on the

789
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 4: other hand, you know, this is a this is a

790
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: society entirely ruled by corporations, right and it is it

791
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 4: is literally every single aspect of it is specifically designed

792
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 4: to get to do this pitting each other like being

793
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 4: people against each other. And yet anyways, somehow they you know,

794
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 4: even even if it is by accident, which is to

795
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 4: be fair, how a lot of revolutions start, they they

796
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 4: do it.

797
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: I think the key thing is here is that we

798
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: see throughout time like really extreme societies that try to

799
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: mold people in certain ways with the idea of permanently

800
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: changing them. And what happens in the past, at least

801
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: to every one of those societies, is that the society

802
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: dies and people go on being people, right.

803
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, Yeah, there's no there's no year zero,

804
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: there's no creat new There's there's no there's no new

805
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: Man right now, that's not ever going to happen. That's

806
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: actually I mean, just I wouldn't even have thought that.

807
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 2: I'm going to tie this back again to Tokefield, which

808
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: the reason I would recommend Onnian regime is because that

809
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 2: is a book about how much of the revolution was

810
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: a continuation of what was going on before it and

811
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: not actually caused by the revolutionary break And even if

812
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: you believe in the revolution and believe it was this,

813
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: I actually believe in the revolution because it accomplished these

814
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 2: great things, but there was no year zero thing that happened.

815
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 2: A lot of this stuff like is just on a continuum.

816
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: And you know, like I don't want to get in

817
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: a fight with somebody about whether human nature is a

818
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: thing that exists or doesn't exist, like like as an

819
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 2: as an abs tract thing, because because I'm not sure

820
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: that it's true, but there sure are a lot of

821
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: things that keep popping up, right, Like we're interested in sex,

822
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: and we have to eat food, and we live in shelters,

823
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: and we make music, and there do there does seem

824
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: to be some very like human qualities that exist across

825
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: all time and across all space. And if you just

826
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 2: say to yourself, like, well, like I mean, this is

827
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: one of the things. I'm very sympathetic to anarchists, but

828
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: like there's a point with anarchism, like especially the early stuff,

829
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: where their idea was that if you smash the state,

830
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: and you destroy the state, then humans will be allowed

831
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: to flourish in their natural goodness. And communalism, which is,

832
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 2: you know a little bit what we are moving towards

833
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 2: right now. But I'm not sure even that exists, because

834
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: if you if you crash the state out, it's not

835
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: the state that's necessarily making us this way. There is

836
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: there is stuff inside of human nature that's that we

837
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: created the state to begin with. So the whole, the

838
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: whole thing is like a very it's a balancing act

839
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: that has gone way too far in So yeah.

840
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: And I think that's something I always I always try

841
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: to keep in mind, Like it's not that societies can't

842
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: alter or improve aspects of like how things are right

843
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: by changing the incentives, but by altering like the way

844
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: things work, you can reduce the prevalence of certain problems.

845
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: You can make things better in some ways. But there's

846
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: certain stuff that you're just never going to Like when

847
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: I look at when I look at what the white

848
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: supremacists want to do, right, well, you're never going to

849
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: get people to stop mingling with other kinds of people.

850
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: You simply can't.

851
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: It's never worked and it never will right like that,

852
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: that's an impossible dream. So I can just say, like

853
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: that's a thing, no matter what how tightly you grab

854
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: a hold of the reins of state, and how many

855
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: weapons you deploy, you simply won't succeed in the long

856
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: term of doing this because it's just not something we

857
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: can do. You can't stop people from mingling.

858
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 2: This is actually one of my points about immigration and migration, yeah,

859
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: is that no matter how tightly you try to control it,

860
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: no matter you could build every all you want, you

861
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: can make it as hard as you want, people are

862
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: still going to move here. People are still going to

863
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: move away from here. People are still going to go

864
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: from here to there and from there to here. And

865
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: that is something that is going to happen no matter what,

866
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: and especially if we're going into the twenty first century

867
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: with all of its various climate disasters that are you know,

868
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: facing us really and yeah, is going to make such Yeah,

869
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: it's gonna it's gonna it's already making some places less

870
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: habitable and other places will be more habitable. And what's

871
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: going to happen is that people who are living in

872
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: less habitable areas are going to want to go to

873
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: where there are areas that are still habitable. And so

874
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 2: there there is there's going to be movements of people.

875
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: And the question before us in the twenty first century

876
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: is not you know, can we keep people in the

877
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: places that they are now and you know, like sort

878
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 2: of lock in rigidly to like these xenophobic nation states

879
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: and that will actually stop those migrations from happening. Or

880
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: do we open ourselves up to the idea that this

881
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: is going to happen and simply make it more humane

882
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: and more more rational. That's the question. It's not whether

883
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: the migrations will happen or not. It's simply how cruel

884
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: they will be when they happen. And right now we

885
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: are choosing maximum cruelty.

886
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: Yep, sucks, Yeah, it does. Like that's that's so much

887
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: of our present society is like, well, yeah, this is

888
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: the cruelest way I can imagine this happening, you know,

889
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: like and we are we are staring down the barrel

890
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: of the worst case scenario, right like that. That's the

891
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 1: thing everyone's had to make peace with. You know, even

892
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: once Trump won, there was still a degree of like, well,

893
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see and we've seen, right, and we

894
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: do just kind of have to guide off that without

895
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: pretending it's otherwise. Like the That's one of the few

896
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: things that does give me hope is that the people

897
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: who are insistent upon pretending otherwise seem to be getting

898
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: increasingly marginalized. I mean, we'll see Gavin Newsan still hasn't

899
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: been sort of choked off of access to the public,

900
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: but you know, the statements he's been making recently about

901
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: Abrego Garcia, it's just like, yeah, I just can't. I

902
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: can't imagine this guy being the future of the Democratic

903
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: Party if this is just looking at where popular discourse

904
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: is right now.

905
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: Right, and there's a lot of them who would like

906
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: it to be the future of the Democratic Party because

907
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: they don't care as much as Republicans don't care about

908
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 2: the lives of these people who are living on this earth,

909
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: who are living, breathing human beings who are just someplace

910
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: else and living in a world where like, yeah, the

911
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 2: United States and Europe, we suck up the world's wealth

912
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: and resources, like that's where the imperial center of the globe,

913
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: and people are like, oh they And even when people

914
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: say like, well, why do people come here, and you know,

915
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: there's a kind of a standard American exceptionalist notion which

916
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: is like, well, they come here because they want their

917
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 2: because they want freedom and freedom is what America offers,

918
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: and like the American dream and all that stuff, like

919
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: the entrepreneurial spirit, et cetera, et cetera. But mostly it's

920
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,959
Speaker 2: because this is where you can come and get the

921
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: world's money. Yeah, this is where it all is. It's

922
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: sitting in my pocket, it's sitting in your pocket. Right,

923
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: we are the ones who have all of the world's money,

924
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: and so that is why they are coming here. Yep.

925
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 2: So you just have to like fit that in your brain.

926
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: And what is happening is is this this constant division

927
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: between like Americans being more important than anybody else, And

928
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: I understand why that exists politically, and even these questions

929
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 2: are like citizens versus non citizens. Like one of the

930
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: things that got me when I was reading Bakunin was

931
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 2: like he had it was a throwaway line, It wasn't

932
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: even like a point he was making, but he referred

933
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: to something as mere citizenship, which kind of struck me

934
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: because I grew up very liberal, Like I come from

935
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: like the liberal suburbs of Seattle, and I had very

936
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: liberal notions and citizenship, in sort of the liberal imagination

937
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: is the highest thing that you can be, be a

938
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: citizen of a polity with rights, there's a constitution, you

939
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: get to participate in the government. Like citizen and citizenship

940
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: are these words that had great, profound meaning and really

941
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: kind of like knock me sideways to have and be

942
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: like mere citizenship. Right, You've been reduced to simply a

943
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: part of a polity, and your humanity has been taken

944
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: away from you. You're no longer being recognized as a

945
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: human being. You're being recognized as a citizen. And if

946
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 2: you're not a citizen, then you just don't count at all.

947
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 2: And it totally wipes out their humanity. So not only

948
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: do I not have humanity because I'm simply a part

949
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: of some polity rather than being me, Mike Duncan, a

950
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 2: human being, but it's erasing our human obligations to each other,

951
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: to non citizens and the idea like and you just

952
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: see this very casually, like right now, like all over

953
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: the place. It's just like they're not citizens, so they

954
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: don't deserve due process. They're not citizens, so we can

955
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 2: just send them to El Salvadorian torture prisons and it's

956
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: fine because they're not citizens and therefore they don't have rights.

957
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 2: It's like what about you know, just being a person

958
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: thinking about other people. And one of the greatest, one

959
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: of my very favorite. I know I'm steamroll in here.

960
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: I'll let you get a word in edgeways here in

961
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: a second. But the I forget what the court case was,

962
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: but there was a court case out of Texas, you know,

963
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: like back in like the sixties, when they decided that

964
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: the Texas school districts had to open the schools to

965
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: undocumented children. And they said that because it says in

966
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: the Fourteenth Amendment persons, it doesn't say citizens. And they

967
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: were arresting a lot of this on the notion that

968
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: like it's it says person has these rights, not citizen

969
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 2: has these rights. And this is what conservatives and MAGA hate,

970
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 2: hate hate, this is why they're going to try to

971
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: undo the fourteenth Amendment. But to have the Supreme Court

972
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: at one point in the past be like, no, you

973
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: have to do this because you owe an obligation to

974
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: them as a person, not just as a citizen, that's

975
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: like mind blowing. I could not see the Supreme Court

976
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: today making that same decision. But like, that's that's the

977
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: kernel of something really good I think for the future

978
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: of humanity. Rather than like clinging to this like citizen

979
00:47:58,600 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: or non citizen thing.

980
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: I guess kind of for me, the most important belief

981
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: I ever came to was the understanding that, like, I

982
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: don't care about citizenship and I don't care about who

983
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: is supposed to be in a specific place, right, I

984
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: think one of the most toxic ideas possible is that, like,

985
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: your rights as a person are dependent on where you

986
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: were born. Yeah, that's just the thing I'll never believe.

987
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: And it's the fight we've lost the worst as the

988
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: left or you know, I should even say getting beyond

989
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: left and right, because I really think those are not

990
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: the most useful ways to look at things.

991
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 2: It's like human beings.

992
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: The fact that that battle, the battle to just see

993
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: people as humans with inherent value as humans, regardless on

994
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: their place of birth. The fact that that has been

995
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: botched so badly is maybe the greatest calamity of the

996
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: twenty first century. Although there's a few contenders, don't get

997
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: me wrong.

998
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot well, and it's so it's so

999
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 4: deeply ingrained. Something I'm going to talk about more like

1000
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: different place. But like, one of the things that's been

1001
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 4: driving me the most up the walls is like, so

1002
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 4: I've had to read like every single piece of terrorists covered.

1003
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 4: Tariff coverage has been written by like fucking all these analysts,

1004
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 4: all of these media people, like, and every single one

1005
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 4: of them only fucking talks about its impact on Americans, right, yep.

1006
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 4: And if you look at the like the Liberation Day

1007
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 4: like turf tariff package, right, the single country that is

1008
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 4: the most fu from this is Sri Lanka yep. And

1009
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 4: if those tariffs go back into effect in like in

1010
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 4: like fifty days whatever, like eighty days, like, the entire

1011
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 4: country of Shri Lanka is fucked. They're doomed, They're completely fucked.

1012
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 4: And all of these countries, you know, all these countries

1013
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 4: need US dollars in order to like literally to buy

1014
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 4: fucking fuel. And then suddenly, oh wait, hold on, you

1015
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 4: can't do experts of the US and like the entire

1016
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 4: this is something that affects literally the entire world.

1017
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: Right.

1018
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 4: You can look at the terariff rates on every single

1019
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 4: country like in the world, and everyone writing about it

1020
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 4: only writes about its effect upon the US because there's

1021
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 4: this just like like there's this this this pure sort

1022
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 4: of Americ centrism thing where like people and I see

1023
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 4: this on the left too, wherechs like they fundamentally don't

1024
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 4: see anyone who's not in the US as human, and

1025
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 4: the people in the US who who are seen as

1026
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 4: like people who seems like humans, who you know, like

1027
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 4: think and feel and like act and like hurt in

1028
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 4: the same way. So we do, like that's only a

1029
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 4: thing that happens if you're a very specific kind of

1030
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 4: American citizen. And if you're not, or God help you, you

1031
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 4: were born in like most of the like the rest

1032
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 4: of the world, which is again it hitteous super majority

1033
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 4: of everyone on Earth. You just you don't matter, and.

1034
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: Yep, they don't, yeah, not in all this. And like

1035
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 2: I mean to bring it back to the Martian Revolution,

1036
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: like that one of the things that is happening right now.

1037
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: Like in the series, I'm you know, it's going to

1038
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 2: be thirty episodes long, and I'm writing episode twenty three

1039
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 2: right now. But like we've gone through the revolution, there's

1040
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: been I don't want to give away too many spoilers,

1041
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: but obviously like they win, you know at certain points,

1042
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 2: otherwise it wouldn't be a very interesting story. And they're

1043
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: is a debate right now among the victorious Martian revolutionaries

1044
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: about who should count inside of the Martian constitution and

1045
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: this thing called the Republic of Mars that they have

1046
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 2: just declared they're no longer a part of a corporation.

1047
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: They're going to be this thing called the Republic of Mars.

1048
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: And there's a guy who is passionately committed to Mars

1049
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: and to the Martian people, and he hates earthlings and

1050
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: he doesn't trust earthlings. And there's no reason for him

1051
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 2: to trust earthlings. They have tried to screw them over

1052
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 2: a bunch of times and it cause nothing but pain.

1053
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: And so, but there are a bunch of earth born

1054
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: Earthlings on Mars, and he wants to exclude them from

1055
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: the Republic of Mars. And if you're born on Mars,

1056
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 2: then you should get to participate. And if you're not,

1057
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: then you shouldn't have rights, you shouldn't be a part

1058
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 2: of this project. And I would love to just I

1059
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 2: would love to deport you. That's what he's going to

1060
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 2: be arguing. And then there is another side that has

1061
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: a more universalist take on this, and my character Alexandra Clair,

1062
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: who is like a d class. She comes out of

1063
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: the warrens. She can just that's basically like the working class.

1064
00:51:59,320 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 7: You know.

1065
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: She's like when Earthlings come here, Yeah, I don't like

1066
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: it when they bungle things because they're new and they

1067
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: don't know what they're doing. Like I'm as annoyed by

1068
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 2: the new guy as anybody, but like they've suffered right

1069
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: alongside me, like suffering the same conditions. Like the fact

1070
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 2: that they were born on Earth doesn't mean that they're

1071
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: not suffering right now, that their contracts weren't annulled, that

1072
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: they are not suffering from the new protocols. Like and

1073
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 2: you know when during these revolutions, did they hold neutron

1074
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: guns in their hands and fight and die for Mars? Yeah?

1075
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 2: They did, And so probably we should say that it's

1076
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 2: not Martian good, Earthling bad. But like, let's just open

1077
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: it up to everybody and we will sort out, like

1078
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 2: you know, who's you know, who's in on this and

1079
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: who's who's actually trying to undermine us, because you know

1080
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 2: there is there are loyalist fifth columnists that they are

1081
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: gonna have to deal with.

1082
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think we're encroaching on an hour here,

1083
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: so we're I think we need to probably uh call

1084
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: this for the day. But Mike, I really appreciate your time.

1085
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: You've been so generous, and I can't wait to see

1086
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: where you end. I know that you're also can't wait

1087
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: to see where you land on all of.

1088
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 2: This, right, right, right, I've got all the plot points,

1089
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: you know, I know where it's going, but just getting

1090
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: there is. Yeah. It's weird because sometimes when you write fiction,

1091
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: characters are like, you weren't supposed to do that, and

1092
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: now I've got to deal with that, and like, what

1093
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 2: do you? Well, she wouldn't do that in this moment,

1094
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: So I guess I was going to have her do it,

1095
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: but I just can't believe that she would ever do

1096
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: that in that situation. So I guess she can't do it,

1097
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: and I'll have to figure that out. And that's my

1098
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: weekly struggle these days.

1099
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's the struggle of releasing fiction before

1100
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: you're entirely done with it.

1101
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I write it. I mean I wake up,

1102
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: I wake up every Monday morning with a blank piece

1103
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: of paper and have to have that week's episode done

1104
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: by Sunday night, and so I'm writing these in real time. Yeah.

1105
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: Well, I congratulate you on trapping yourself in such an

1106
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: exquisite hell I'm enjoying listening to it. I know everyone

1107
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: else's as well.

1108
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: It's great.

1109
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: I love it all right, that's the episode everybody, Thank

1110
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: you fight.

1111
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 8: What's so, y'all's your favorite cousin? I just came over

1112
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 8: you feel me? Y'all don't have no cousins that just

1113
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 8: kind of pop up, just be at the house like

1114
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 8: a ninety sitcom where you don't knock on the door,

1115
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 8: you just be walking in. That wasn't my life, mainly

1116
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 8: because most of the cousins on my mother's side lived

1117
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 8: on the other side of the country, and then my

1118
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 8: cousin's on my father's side, since we lived in gang

1119
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 8: infested areas, you didn't.

1120
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 6: Just pop up.

1121
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 8: That was just not the safest thing to do. But

1122
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 8: I'm doing that at youall house. And you know what

1123
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 8: happens when you have cousins come over. Well, now, a

1124
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 8: small percentage of y'all are black, but a lot of

1125
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 8: percentages y'all grew up poor, which means that you got

1126
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 8: whooping just like we did. So you know, usually when

1127
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 8: your cousin comes over, somebody's getting We all somebody getting

1128
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 8: in trouble, and it's usually you because you're supposed.

1129
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 6: To know better. I never got more spankings.

1130
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 8: Than when my cousins came over because we would just

1131
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 8: get into stuff. And then since I'm the one that

1132
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 8: lived there and I was cutting up in front of company,

1133
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 8: I ended up getting into most trouble. Anyway, this isn't

1134
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 8: where I'm working out trauma, although it is called it

1135
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 8: can happen here podcasts, so I feel like we all

1136
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 8: collectively working out trauma of being Americans. And lastly, on

1137
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 8: the rambling preamble, I got a dog. Now, well, my

1138
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 8: daughter got a dog. And to all the parents that listen,

1139
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 8: you know when your child gets a pet, who's pet

1140
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 8: that actually is? So I find myself doing a lot

1141
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 8: more chores than I signed up for. But it's a pug,

1142
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 8: and it keeps trying to eat the cat's food. Therefore

1143
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 8: it's got liquid doodoo and I'm not a fan of that.

1144
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 8: And since I get to work in my pajamas because

1145
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 8: I'm just recording podcasts and rap music back here, seems

1146
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 8: to fall on me to scoop up this liquid doodoo.

1147
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 8: But that's only when she eats the cat's food. Stupid dog,

1148
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 8: eat your own food. Anyway, I'm here to talk about

1149
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 8: something that you can do nothing about.

1150
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 2: All right, y'all?

1151
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 8: Ready, here we go, a brother like me who bleeds

1152
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 8: Los Angeles. You cut me open and Pacific Ocean salt

1153
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 8: water comes out. You poke my lungs, and small pours

1154
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 8: out of me. I could work for the Tourist Department

1155
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 8: of Los Angeles. I love this city at an unhealthy level.

1156
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 8: There are things about this place that is absolute trash.

1157
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 8: Don't get me wrong, there is a lot wrong with

1158
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 8: this city. With this place, the ground shakes up under us.

1159
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 8: We've been such a horrible steward as to how to

1160
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 8: take care of this land. I'm gonna include myself, even

1161
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 8: though I am not the invasive colonizer. But there are

1162
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 8: really only nine native trees to California, two of which

1163
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 8: are not the palm tree or the eucalyptus. The plants

1164
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 8: that are here naturally are drought resistant and fire resistant.

1165
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 6: They don't burn that easy.

1166
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 8: The ones that burn up real quick are the sycamores

1167
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 8: and the palm trees.

1168
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 6: And if you may have noticed, Los Angeles hit.

1169
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 8: A bit of a dry spell recently and had quite

1170
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:45,959
Speaker 8: the disaster. Now, I'm slowly backing that thing up into

1171
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 8: what we're gonna talk about right now, which you should

1172
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 8: probably know if you have already read the show title

1173
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 8: when you clicked play. But I'm gonna back that thing

1174
00:57:54,760 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 8: up into it. California catches fire every year in some location. Now,

1175
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 8: my mother, you know, Mama prop she worked thirty years

1176
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 8: for the La County Fire Department, you know, in the

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00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 8: city of West Covina.

1178
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 6: Because I'm at six two.

1179
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 8: Sixer and I have vivid memories of the different firemen,

1180
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 8: fire chiefs. I think I talked about this in the

1181
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 8: La on Fire episode. Block is literally hot on the

1182
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 8: Hood politics show, which hopefully you guys are supporting and

1183
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 8: listening to also.

1184
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 6: But even my boy Chris.

1185
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 8: Who's you know, firefighter, you know, been fighting the fires

1186
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 8: out here. Everybody knew that one day this day would

1187
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 8: come and that, let's just say, all of the bureaucratic

1188
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 8: failures had not happened. If the water was as full

1189
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 8: as possible, the fire hydrants were fined, if everything was

1190
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 8: the budget, if everything was done perfectly, this was going

1191
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 8: to happen.

1192
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 6: This day was going to come. That it's a perfect storm.

1193
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 8: We were had a specific type of drought, lack of rain,

1194
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 8: the Santa Ana winds and then a fire sparking, and

1195
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 8: that fire sparking in a densely populated urban area. It

1196
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 8: was every fireman I knew was like, yeah, one day

1197
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 8: it's gonna happen. And like I said in the last episode, yeah,

1198
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 8: like you know, we could find ourselves a time machine

1199
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 8: and practice the indigenous practices.

1200
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 6: Oh.

1201
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 8: Actually, as a small little beacon alike, there's an area

1202
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 8: Alta Dina that was actually given back to the Tongva

1203
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 8: tribe many years back. There was a first like actual

1204
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 8: land back given back to the tribe and they started

1205
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 8: taking care of the land the way that their elders

1206
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 8: and ancestors did.

1207
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,959
Speaker 6: And guess what, that area didn't burn anyway in the.

1208
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 8: Midst of this disaster that we were having a desperate,

1209
00:59:54,920 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 8: desperate man who I completely understand is desperation. On Tuesday

1210
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 8: night on January seventh, while the fires were just rumbling

1211
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 8: through the Palisades, a man named Keith Wasserman, who's the

1212
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 8: co founder of a real estate investment firm, desperately took

1213
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 8: to Twitter and said, does anyone have access to private

1214
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 8: firefighters to protect our home? Need to act fast here

1215
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 8: all neighbors houses burning will pay any amount. There was

1216
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 8: another click of Rick Caruso, who almost in a multiverse situation,

1217
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 8: is our mayor, a billionaire developer who owns the Grove

1218
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 8: on the West Side. Just that if you ever watched TMZ,

1219
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 8: whenever somebody's walking out of a place, it's probably at

1220
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 8: the grove and was a you know, real estate magnate. Anyway,

1221
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 8: there are videos of him driving through an area that

1222
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 8: he had with his private security and private firefighters where

1223
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 8: it's smoke billowing all around the place, but his situation

1224
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 8: was fine. Why because he had private firefighters. They shaved

1225
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 8: his shopping center, but he tried to unsuccessfully save nearby

1226
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 8: homes as well, which reminded everybody about the time that

1227
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 8: Kanye and Kim tweeted about their house being saved by

1228
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 8: fired fighters.

1229
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 6: And which made people be like, wait a minute, you

1230
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 6: can buy fire department, man, What the hell is this?

1231
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 6: What type of shit?

1232
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: Man?

1233
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 6: What we over here arguing over firefightrants.

1234
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 8: And tanks running low and somebody just paid them?

1235
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 6: Where they get the water from?

1236
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 8: How the hell you can just oh my god, what

1237
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 8: the hell water are you using, nigga, that's not your water?

1238
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 8: And what you gonna do? Are you gonna help out

1239
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 8: the neighbors. Okay, So if I buy a fire department,

1240
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 8: fire apartment show up from my house, but the neighbor's

1241
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 8: house is burned, you just gonna lead a neighbor's house.

1242
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 8: You gonna tell them to call the city's fire department.

1243
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 8: What the hell is happening? How does this shit work?

1244
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 8: Is there any other way rich people can be evil?

1245
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 8: What is happening right now? Which is basically what happened

1246
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 8: and how most of the regulars felt. So this episode

1247
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 8: is not just about private fire departments, because that would

1248
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 8: not be a very interesting full episode. It's about the

1249
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 8: question that private fire departments bring up, which is like nigga,

1250
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 8: whose water is that?

1251
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,919
Speaker 6: Wait a minute, who owns the water? Is the water

1252
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 6: private too?

1253
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 8: And if the water is private too, what else of

1254
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 8: my utilities are private?

1255
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 6: And this is what I mean by there is nothing

1256
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 6: you can do about it?

1257
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: Now.

1258
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 8: If there is any of you that are built like

1259
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 8: Robert and Magpie, then maybe you ain't got to worry

1260
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 8: about this. Maybe you could dig your own well and

1261
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 8: find the groundwater. However, there are things called water land rights,

1262
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 8: which I will talk about into this. So even if

1263
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 8: you move off the grid to live on a mountain.

1264
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 8: You find somewhere in the backwoods, you know, four acres

1265
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 8: away from Magpie wherever the hell Magpie live, and you

1266
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 8: dig to find some water. Somebody owned that water. It

1267
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 8: already happened here, y'all. Let's go all right, this may

1268
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 8: or may not be a shock to y'all. I know

1269
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 8: in the first the block is literally hot episode I

1270
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 8: did way way, way way back when I first joined

1271
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 8: Wellkools on media first launch, when I first joined the team,

1272
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 8: my first episodes, it was one of those things where

1273
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 8: it's like the thought has probably never crossed your mind,

1274
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 8: and and some of it's like sitting I'm talking to

1275
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 8: y'all who pay bills. Some of this stuff is sitting

1276
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 8: right up under your nose, Like Southern California Medicine is

1277
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 8: one of our power companies. But then there's PG and E.

1278
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 8: This isn't the City of Los Angeles providing this. That's

1279
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 8: a company. In the same way that your internet come

1280
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 8: from a company. What makes you think your power don't

1281
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 8: come from a company. And if your power come from

1282
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 8: a company and an internet come from a company, why

1283
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 8: wouldn't your water come from a company? I like, well,

1284
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 8: I don't know what would make you think that that's

1285
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,959
Speaker 8: just a city municipality. Well, because duh, because water fall

1286
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 8: from the sky.

1287
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:30,959
Speaker 2: What the shit?

1288
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 6: So what I'm paying for you to pump it through

1289
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 6: the through the dog on pipes for me?

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Speaker 8: I understand that that's a service, But what the hell

1291
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Speaker 8: of my taxes for you? Somebody like I don't know

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Speaker 8: if you noticed, you can own the rain. So the

1293
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 8: water that fell inside the lake, somebody bought the lake.

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Speaker 8: This is the episode that I'm going to tell y'all.

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01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 8: Right now, so your utilities, most likely your city has

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Speaker 8: sold your water and your sewage processing to a private company.

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01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 8: And the bills that you're paying your water bill is

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01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 8: not going to the city for the service you are receiving.

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01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 8: It is paying the company back the money that the

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01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 8: company paid your city to get this gig. Let me

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Speaker 8: back up here first, let me cover the private fire departments.

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01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 8: Now here's the thing. Private fire departments usually are hired

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01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 8: by insurance companies. So what they do a lot of

1304
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 8: time is like prevention. They'll come in here and you know,

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01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 8: clear out shrub, make sure that your house is not

1306
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 8: like set up for failure. You know. In California, I mean,

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01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 8: people always talk about our strict laws and building codes,

1308
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 8: and it's like, well, nigga, do you see why every

1309
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 8: time you got a bureaucratic law, like there might be

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01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 8: a historical evidence as to why we need that, one

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Speaker 8: of which is my nigga, California ain't got a lot

1312
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 8: of water. So if you're gonna build a house, you

1313
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 8: can't just have dry shrubbery up around your house. Why

1314
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 8: because you just basically put a box of matches just

1315
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 8: around your house. So yes, bam, like that's why you

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01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 8: can't do that.

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01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 6: Why you not allowed to have a lot of trash

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01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 6: in your house? Nigga?

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Speaker 8: What I mean, what the hell you think? Because this

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01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 8: shit will catch on fire. So these private companies, private

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01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 8: fire companies usually come through and again they hire body

1322
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 8: insurance companies normally to come and clear shrubbery, make sure

1323
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 8: that your length, your dryer is cleared out, make sure

1324
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 8: your h VAC is good. And usually they got their

1325
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 8: own little tank right, So they come in with their

1326
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 8: own little tank of water that stay private water that

1327
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 8: basically they bring in their bottle water, you know what

1328
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 8: I'm saying, while the rest of us is using tap right,

1329
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 8: But eventually that little tank go run out. You feel

1330
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 8: me and then at that point you got to tap

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01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 8: into the fire hydrant. Right now, what most of these

1332
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 8: companies will say is, like the guys were not monsters, dude, Like,

1333
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 8: if if the neighborhood is on fire, of course we're

1334
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 8: going to help. What do you like, what are you

1335
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 8: talking about? Which I truly believe for this reason. If

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Speaker 8: I'm paying to protect this house, but the neighbor's house

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Speaker 8: is on fire, that probably means that the neighbor's house

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Speaker 8: is going to cause my house to catch on fire.

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01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 8: So of course it would be in my best interest

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01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 8: to help put that one out.

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Speaker 6: According to the New York Times.

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Speaker 8: They reported that, yeah, good, forty five percent of all

1343
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 8: firefighters working in the United States today are employed privately

1344
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 8: right now. A lot of those are like wildlife suppression. Now,

1345
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 8: there's such thing as called the National Wildlife Suppression Association,

1346
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 8: which represents more than like three hundred private firefighting groups,

1347
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 8: and a lot of them work more as like government contractors,

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01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 8: right as far as like again supplement for like wildfires,

1349
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 8: right and like I said, the others are hired by

1350
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 8: private companies. Yo, and peak this like a little two

1351
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 8: person private firefighting crew with a small vehicle.

1352
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Speaker 6: I mean it could cost like three grand a day.

1353
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 8: Like a large crew of like twenty firefighters and four

1354
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 8: trucks can run ten thousand dollars a day. This is

1355
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Speaker 8: according to Brian Weelock, the vice president of the Gray

1356
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 8: Back Forestry. It's a private firefighting company in Oregon. But

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Speaker 8: most of the time, like I said, these people don't

1358
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 8: really work directly with homeowners. But that's not what's the

1359
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 8: interesting part of this story to me. The interesting part

1360
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Speaker 8: of this story to me is the reality of the

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01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 8: utilities that we live in. Now, let me go ahead

1362
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 8: and run off some statistics to you. I just want

1363
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 8: to go ahead and add to the dystopia that we

1364
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 8: live in because we need to say, we need to

1365
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 8: change the name of this show too.

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Speaker 6: It has happened here.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to link all this data to the show notes.

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Speaker 6: Now you're ready for this.

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Speaker 8: Water and wastewater service privatization follows broader trends. More than

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Speaker 8: forty percent of drinking water systems nationwide are private regulated

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01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 8: utility systems, of the sixty percent of the systems owned

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Speaker 8: by local governments. Privatization by contracting of operations management has

1373
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 8: grown rapidly since two thousand and one, nationwide, the privatization

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01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,839
Speaker 8: of water wastewater group by thirteen percent after growing eighty

1375
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 8: four percent over the decade in the nineteen nineties. Right,

1376
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 8: so what that means is almost half of y'all are

1377
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 8: paying a private company for your water. Now, let's make

1378
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 8: some distinctions here between public utilities and private utilities. And

1379
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 8: you know what are we even talking about. So public

1380
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 8: utilities are owned and operated by your local, state, and

1381
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 8: federal governments on behalf of the citizens and customers in

1382
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 8: that area. So a public utility would be your municipal water, sewage,

1383
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 8: sanitation services, like if you have a public electricity providers, government,

1384
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 8: government ran public transit systems, state owned telecommunication companies, public utilities.

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Speaker 6: Right now, listen, here's where it's interesting.

1386
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 8: Have to balance serving the public interests while remaining financially

1387
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:39,839
Speaker 8: sustainable since they are not profit driven, any revenue earned

1388
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 8: is invested back into maintaining the infrastructure of the operations,

1389
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 8: which seems like a big old dug. We're not here

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01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 8: to make money. This is not our money making interest.

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01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 8: This is living, right, It's a utility. Like It's just

1392
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 8: I'm not trying to make money off it. I'm trying

1393
01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 8: to keep the lights on, right, But as we know,

1394
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 8: it costs to do those things, so the temptation becomes

1395
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 8: easy to be like, how do I offload this cost

1396
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 8: right and make sure that this service is there? Because

1397
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 8: as you know, oftentimes public utilities don't be very good.

1398
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying. Flint still ain't got fresh

1399
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 8: water right now. Altadena is in a situation where they

1400
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,719
Speaker 8: was like, look, don't even boil the water, like whatever

1401
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 8: coming out of your tap is just not good.

1402
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 6: Boiling is not good enough, Like do not drink this water?

1403
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 2: Right?

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01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 8: Is the situation that they in, and it's like we're

1405
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 8: where the money at, Like, how are we going to

1406
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 8: fix this?

1407
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 2: Now?

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01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 6: That's a public utility.

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01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 8: Now, private utility is utilities obviously owned and operated by

1410
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 8: private companies. So that would be an investored owned electricity

1411
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 8: company like a private telecommunication, private owned oil gas and pipelines,

1412
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 8: and private owned waste management companies. Now, their goal, because

1413
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 8: it's a company, is still to make profit for their

1414
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 8: shareholders while also delivering reliable service. Now, they argument their

1415
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 8: defense would be if we don't give you a good product,

1416
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 8: we won't have customers, So it is in our best

1417
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 8: interests for our own money to give you a best service. However,

1418
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 8: are you seeing the truck size hole in their logic? Nigga,

1419
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 8: we don't have a choice. Do you have a choice

1420
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 8: as to what water company provides the water to your house?

1421
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:41,759
Speaker 8: Who go run the sewer? I don't have an option anyway.

1422
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 8: So the key differences are very obvious.

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01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 2: Right.

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01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 8: One is the ownership and motives. Like publicly owned utilities

1425
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 8: serve the public interests rather than pursue profits. Right, private

1426
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 8: owned utilities are there for their investors in the maximize returns.

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01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 6: Regulation and pricing.

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01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 8: Public utilities are regulated by the governm in imported commissions

1429
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:06,839
Speaker 8: that oversee pricing. Private utilities are also regulated, but usually

1430
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 8: more flexible in their rate setting, because what the hell.

1431
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 6: You gonna do?

1432
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 8: Get you a called a water company? Be like, I

1433
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 8: ain't paying this bill. They gonna be like, ooh, no problem.

1434
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 8: Service areas most publics utility service customers are within municipal boundaries.

1435
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 8: Investor owned utilities often are defined by regional monopolies with

1436
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 8: little overlap or competition with customers.

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01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 6: Listen, if you ever.

1438
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 8: Moved into an apartment and you was like, y'all, I'm

1439
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 8: trying to like, you know, install cable and they was like,

1440
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 8: or your Internet. It was like, oh, it's AT and

1441
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 8: T over here. I was like, oh, but I have Spectrum.

1442
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 8: They're like, Spectrum don't serve this area.

1443
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 2: Nigga.

1444
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 6: It is the Internet, it's the air, it's wires, this polls.

1445
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 9: I'm not allowed to.

1446
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 8: U can't come over here because it's a private company.

1447
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 8: Now I'm in a situation where AT and T knock

1448
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 8: on my door every day being like, yo, we laying

1449
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 8: fiber optics. You know, we lay we laying new pipes

1450
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 8: down here, up under your up under your street.

1451
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:07,560
Speaker 6: We can move faster than Spectrum.

1452
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 8: I done ditch them both, and then Spectrum still email

1453
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 8: me every day. Spectrum sent somebody was like, we heard

1454
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 8: you left Spectrum. We're trying to figure out why. I'm like, nigga,

1455
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 8: because I don't want to use either of y'all, but

1456
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 8: we're the area you serve. When I first moved into

1457
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 8: the house that I'm in now, like, I made an

1458
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 8: account on Edison and they were like, oh, nigga, Edison

1459
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 8: don't serve here. You had SoCal Gas and I was like,

1460
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 8: who the hell is so cal Gas? They was like

1461
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 8: that's who that's who else gonna give me the gap?

1462
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 8: I don't have no options. Oh, I got to live

1463
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 8: in La. These this is who serves LA infrastructure spending.

1464
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 8: With public utilities, they might find it easier to raise

1465
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 8: funds for long term capital projects and maintain infrastructure proactively,

1466
01:14:56,200 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 8: while privately owned businesses and utilities answered to share seeking returns,

1467
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 8: which impact investment decisions. Meaning if I'm like, yo, somebody

1468
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 8: gotta clean this sewer pipe because this water ain't good

1469
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 8: in this neighborhood, it would behoove the city of Los

1470
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 8: Angeles to fix this, and it would be easy for

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Speaker 8: them because I am a Los Angeles resident.

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Speaker 6: This is a public utility. If I have private water,

1473
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 6: they might be like.

1474
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 8: H how much money that's that neighborhood give us? You

1475
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 8: know if we fix the water up there in Palace

1476
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 8: verd aids you know what I'm saying, Like, we got

1477
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 8: to talk to them because they know, I mean, they

1478
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 8: kind of give us the bread, so they're not incentivized

1479
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 8: necessarily to fix my infrastructure. Right, and then the customer

1480
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 8: service focus right. Public utilities often focus more on customer

1481
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 8: satisfaction and addressing community complaints, while private entities have profit motives.

1482
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know what else I need to

1483
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 8: explain to y'all. Right, now, let me show you how

1484
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 8: this works and what the allure is for a public

1485
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,600
Speaker 8: city council to make this decision. Are y'all here to

1486
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 8: more perfect union? It's another one of those podcast folks

1487
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 8: that just got more money than us. They're able to

1488
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 8: produce things that we had bread we would produce it anyway.

1489
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 8: They did one about investor own water companies and how

1490
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 8: they lobby to give them the contract to run their

1491
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 8: sewage and water, right, And it's a super dope stuff.

1492
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 8: It's a super dope study. It's a good, like focused

1493
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 8: study to show like as sort of an example of

1494
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 8: how it could happen anywhere. And they focused this one

1495
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 8: study on this city in Pennsylvania, right. And here's the

1496
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 8: ill part about all of this is that how would

1497
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 8: you know this is happening?

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01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 6: I mean, are you really looking at the logo on

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01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 6: your water bill?

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Speaker 2: I mean.

1501
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 8: No, you just like looking at the costs, right and

1502
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 8: hoping that it don't be that much. Now again, if

1503
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 8: you've written it, if you rent in an apartment, I

1504
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 8: don't know what utilities you gotta cover, right, let's say

1505
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 8: you are renting in an apartment. You know what I'm saying,

1506
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 8: Like a lot of times, Joe utilities, It's like that's

1507
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 8: like they cover water and gas, you cover electricity and

1508
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 8: internet and then whatever it is. I'm not thinking about

1509
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 8: who the company is. I'm just like paying the bill.

1510
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 8: But if one day your bill triple, I mean, who

1511
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 8: do you call you? Like, I haven't used more water.

1512
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 8: I don't understand why it costs more. Now you might

1513
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 8: call the city the city like, oh, we don't even

1514
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 8: run the water no more.

1515
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 6: And that's exactly what happened.

1516
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 8: So in twenty twenty in New Garden, Pennsylvania, they sold

1517
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 8: their water to get this Agua, Pennsylvania Jerks, a subsidiary

1518
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 8: of Essential Utilities, they sold.

1519
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,480
Speaker 6: They water for thirty million dollars.

1520
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 8: And just for you to get a grasp on how

1521
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 8: much money can be made by doing this. If you

1522
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 8: a company, that company made two point zero five billion

1523
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 8: dollars in twenty twenty three. And essentially, if you the city,

1524
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 8: the city runs up. Are you having all kinds of problems?

1525
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 8: You got people not paying bills on time, you got

1526
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 8: all these different you know, all this stuff you gotta

1527
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 8: hire the workers.

1528
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 6: You gotta do all this stuff.

1529
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 8: And this company runs up and was like, yo, we'll

1530
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 8: take all this off your hands. Not only will we

1531
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 8: take it off your hands, we'll pay you for it.

1532
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 8: So to the city and they saying, look, I do

1533
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 8: a better job than y'all do. Why because this is

1534
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 8: all we do. You got all this other stuff you

1535
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 8: gotta take care of. We gonna only take care of

1536
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 8: the water. Look, we'll give you thirty million dollars for it.

1537
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 8: That's free money. And you ain't got to worry about it.

1538
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 8: All you gotta do when people call complaining about they

1539
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 8: water is just say please hold and transferred to us.

1540
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 8: You ain't got nothing to worry about it. And the

1541
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 8: city say, okay, that sounds good. Now are you going

1542
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 8: you're gonna change your prices? It's like, why would we

1543
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 8: change our prices. We won't need to change our price.

1544
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 8: Matter of fact, we can probably charge less because we

1545
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 8: ain't got the same things y'all got, well, at least

1546
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 8: for the first few years. Kind of like the phone

1547
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 8: bill when they like, oh, you sign up for this

1548
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 8: much money a month for the first three months. Are

1549
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 8: your cable for the first first two years, and then

1550
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 8: one day, your cable bill come in and it's just

1551
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 8: psycho and you like, I don't know why to hell

1552
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 8: this costs so much more. And they're like, oh, yeah,

1553
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 8: the contract was for this long and then after that

1554
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 8: it went back to regular price. That's essentially what's happening.

1555
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 8: That's why I was like, if your water bill go crazy,

1556
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 8: who you're gonna call? Like what you gonna say?

1557
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 3: Like?

1558
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 6: Uh?

1559
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 8: They could just be like, yeah, it just costs more now.

1560
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 8: So for the city, the city is like, look, it's

1561
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 8: free money. We could put this money into other stuff

1562
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 8: we've been trying to work on, and y'all gonna get

1563
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 8: a better situation. And again, no one looks at the

1564
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 8: logo on their bill. So the utilities industries, right a

1565
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 8: few years ago, I think in twenty sixteen, got this

1566
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 8: law passed that made cities want to sell it. It's

1567
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 8: called the fair market Value laws. One example is in

1568
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 8: Pennsylvania was Act twelve, which was in twenty sixteen. And

1569
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 8: the concern is cities feel like they can't keep up

1570
01:19:56,280 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 8: with dunt dunt dun environmental laws and keep up with

1571
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 8: city growth. Cities are growing so fast, so many people

1572
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 8: are moving in, We're destroying the Earth at a particular

1573
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 8: exponential rate, and the government wants us to not destroy

1574
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:15,560
Speaker 8: the planet.

1575
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:18,719
Speaker 6: Ho home. So I got all.

1576
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 8: These laws I got we just you know, he's a

1577
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 8: hat of the money for it.

1578
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 6: He's out of the money for it at the time.

1579
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 8: So when you're evaluating how much this utility would be worth,

1580
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 8: you can include, because of Act twelve in Pennsylvania, the

1581
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:41,839
Speaker 8: median income, the expected repairs and future revenue, which means

1582
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 8: it makes that water worth way much more. Right, And

1583
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 8: a lot of times when you selling this, when you

1584
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 8: selling this disutility, the price tag what these people be

1585
01:20:55,200 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 8: paying you be six times the city budget.

1586
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 6: So think about this. I'm just trying to make this

1587
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 6: real for you.

1588
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 8: Let's just say somebody comes in and says I'll buy

1589
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:13,759
Speaker 8: your car. You say, word for how much? And they say,

1590
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 8: I tell you what, I'll pay you your year's salary

1591
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 8: for this car. The fam you gonna add I add

1592
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 8: another car in there for that. You know what I'm saying, Hey,

1593
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 8: you know, throw throwing another six months for the stalary.

1594
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 8: I'll make you some dinner. Like it's it's kind of

1595
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 8: a no brainer. You like, you our entire year's budget

1596
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 8: just for the water. No brainer, But who pays the company? Nigga,

1597
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 8: you you paying the company? What do I mean by that?

1598
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 8: The company cuts cuts the city at check. Now the

1599
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 8: company gotta make their money back. How they make their

1600
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 8: money back? Nigga, your bills?

1601
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 2: What is you like?

1602
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 6: What is you saying? Of course they gonna make their

1603
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 6: money back now.

1604
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 8: Again, they're incentivized to make that money back as fast

1605
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 8: as possible, which means they're not going to spend more.

1606
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 8: They hadn't already spend thirty million dollars to get the thing.

1607
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 8: But then they'll promise to like fix their systems, their

1608
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 8: promise like you sold the city saying I'm gonna be

1609
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 8: able to spend some time to upgrade and do all

1610
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,879
Speaker 8: this difference. And they don't have a upgrade nothing, because

1611
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 8: it's kind of a no brainer.

1612
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 6: This is easy money to them.

1613
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 8: In Philly, there's this area called the Chester Water Authority

1614
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 8: that went straight up bankrupt. So like the city's water

1615
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 8: authority just went bankrupt. So they was like, yo, we

1616
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 8: gotta sell it. They got offered four hundred and ten

1617
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 8: million dollars. Well the city did, and the city says, nigga,

1618
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 8: Chester Water Authority, you ain't got the right to sell

1619
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 8: because you are not a company. You are part of

1620
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 8: the City of Philadelphia. Chester Water Authority is like, my jig,

1621
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 8: I mean, what the hell you want us to do?

1622
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 8: How does this stuff become legal? Well, like saying, way

1623
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,879
Speaker 8: any other stick come legal? They just you lobby candidates

1624
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 8: all the time. And the only way to stop this

1625
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 8: is you got to sign up to some sort of

1626
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 8: city council news led us something to be able to

1627
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 8: walk up in there and protest the shit. Nigga, good luck.

1628
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 8: Now let's talk about specifically California. All right, I bring

1629
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 8: up specifically California because of all this stuff about the fire,

1630
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 8: hydrants and water issues that we had recently. Remember that

1631
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 8: the water that water's Los Angeles comes from the north right,

1632
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 8: It comes from right up under Sacramento through the California

1633
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 8: Aqueduct that was put together by this man named maulhulland

1634
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 8: so the mulhulland passed mulhulland drive that was all based

1635
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,679
Speaker 8: on this man that made Los Angeles be possible because

1636
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 8: he just went up there just like any other colonizing

1637
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 8: was like a buy your water, and they was like

1638
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 8: water ain't for sale.

1639
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 6: He was like, uh, yeah it is.

1640
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 8: And went over their heads and bought the water, built

1641
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 8: a whole Basically like when you was a kid at

1642
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 8: the beach and you dig a little thing in the

1643
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 8: sand to make the water go a certain way. That's

1644
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,560
Speaker 8: basically what he did through the middle of California to

1645
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 8: bring water to Los Angeles. Now, Los Angeles did have

1646
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,719
Speaker 8: one river, that was the San Gabril River that starts

1647
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 8: in the top of the San Gabriel Foothills and comes

1648
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 8: into what we call the La River, which is paved,

1649
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 8: which there is a movement to unpave that because that

1650
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,759
Speaker 8: would probably help us with a lot of climate issues.

1651
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 8: But either way, that was an actual river. It was

1652
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 8: enough to support the native tribes here because it wasn't

1653
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 8: that many people here and they had sense enough to

1654
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 8: not plants that need the water that they ain't got.

1655
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 8: They wasn't trying to build a city in the area.

1656
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 8: They ain't supposed to be a city. Nigga, Have you

1657
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 8: ever been to Las Vegas. There should not be a

1658
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 8: city there. Y'all ever been to the Inland Empire? There

1659
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 8: should not be that many humans there. According to the Earth,

1660
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 8: unless you pump water over there. The natives were fine

1661
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 8: the indigenous communities figured out how to live in the

1662
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 8: shit for thousands of years, but you know, we had

1663
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 8: to do our thing. Now some vocabulary. California got a

1664
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 8: thing called senior water rights, which means whoever got there

1665
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 8: first gets the water, Like basically, it's my land, di

1666
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 8: licted right. But they only got them rights when it

1667
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 8: started from the gold Rush. So they was like, well,

1668
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:35,679
Speaker 8: who was there first? Was this white man?

1669
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 6: Not the people that already lived there, but these white men.

1670
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 8: So if you happen to have a farm, you know

1671
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 8: up near North Fresno, if your family been there longer

1672
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 8: than somebody else's family, then that water is yours, right,

1673
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 8: that's senior water rights.

1674
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:51,719
Speaker 6: And then there's.

1675
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 8: Junior water rights, which is like the second person. So

1676
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 8: whatever water you don't use, they get to use right now.

1677
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 8: Why that is specifically important for California, especially the Central Valley,

1678
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 8: is because Cali provides everybody's produce. I mean, for the

1679
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 8: rest of the country, the vast majority of the fruits, vegetables, nuts,

1680
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 8: and lagoons that you eat come from California.

1681
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,440
Speaker 6: We gotta have water. It would be hoof.

1682
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 8: Of rest of America to make sure that Cali got water.

1683
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 8: So those are water rights. Now, the water that gets

1684
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 8: pumped down into our fire hydrants, here's the situation like

1685
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 8: that had to do a water pressure. Now you could

1686
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 8: refer to the block is literally hot episode where I

1687
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 8: go into detail as to what happened with that. But

1688
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 8: there was this whole thing about the water being owned

1689
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 8: by some billionaires. Now I would love to run with

1690
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 8: that one, but the fact is, that's just not true.

1691
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 6: It's not that simple. Let me go ahead in fact

1692
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 6: check that.

1693
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 8: So the wonderful code which is who they were talking about,

1694
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 8: it's Steward and Linda Resnik. They do have a majority

1695
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 8: steak in a water bank that can store up to

1696
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 8: one point five million acres right, which is close to

1697
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 8: five hundred billion gallons of water. But the realness is

1698
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 8: that's like a tiny fraction of the water capacity of California.

1699
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 8: California's groundwater basins combined can hold more than five hundred

1700
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 8: and sixty six times as much water, with a storage

1701
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 8: capacity of eight hundred and fifty million to one point

1702
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 8: three billion acres of feet across the California Department of

1703
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:34,799
Speaker 8: Water Sources. The state's surface resources hold more than forty

1704
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 8: million acres On top of that. So there's two types

1705
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 8: of water here. There's surface water and there's groundwater. Groundwater

1706
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 8: obviously that's stuff that you would dig in for a well,

1707
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 8: that's a whole other thing.

1708
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 6: Right now.

1709
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 8: It is true this family owns brands is like wonderful pistachios,

1710
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 8: Fiji water wonderful, land halos, wonderful halos, and palm wonderful

1711
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 8: and that's a you know, I don't know if you're

1712
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 8: in a pomegranate juice, but if that's your thing. But anyway,

1713
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Speaker 8: let me quote from politiffect. The water the Resinics use

1714
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 8: gets stored underground initially before the water that is delivered

1715
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 8: to the roots of Resinic's pistachios, almonds, pomegranate orchards. Specifically,

1716
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 8: it's stored in the Kerrent Water Bank that is the

1717
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 8: most valuable water resource in the region and critical to

1718
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 8: America's fresh flood supplies. The water bank, which is watch

1719
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 8: This the bank itself a public private partnership with the

1720
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:35,839
Speaker 8: Resnic's owned fifty seven percent of the steak is thirty

1721
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 8: two square mile recharge basin, which looks like floodlands from

1722
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 8: the street that essentially stores again the one point five

1723
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 8: million acre feet of water five hundred billion gallons. The

1724
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 8: resins storage arrangement is very controversial.

1725
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 2: Right.

1726
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 8: They've been banking on the water by using public and

1727
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 8: private dollars to corral public resource. Because of their water

1728
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 8: rights and their wealth, they are insulating themselves from this

1729
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 8: type of drought, which, of course that's what rich do, right.

1730
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,799
Speaker 8: This is what Chas Miller says, the director of Environmental

1731
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 8: Analysis at Pomona College. Private capital has no problem with

1732
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 8: the drought, while the rest of us are looking at

1733
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 8: deep social divides. Somebody bought the water, but water isn't

1734
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:28,839
Speaker 8: the only thing, like I said, as somebody else owes,

1735
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 8: you know. According to Publicpower dot Org, utilities that were

1736
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 8: sold since nineteen eighty have ranged dramatically in size. Although

1737
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 8: many had a small number of customers at the time

1738
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 8: of the sale, with the median of fewer than six

1739
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 8: hundred customers, less than thirty percent of utilities sold had

1740
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 8: more than a thousand customers at the time of sale. Right,

1741
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 8: so back then it was a small amount of people.

1742
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 2: Right.

1743
01:29:55,479 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 8: Watch this, Only five public power utilities with ten thousand

1744
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 8: or more customers have sold, right, and four of those

1745
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 8: five sales occurred were approved since twenty fifteen. Now the

1746
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 8: largest sale of such electric department was the city of Murphysboro, Tennessee,

1747
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 8: which had about sixty eight thousand customers and when it

1748
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:24,759
Speaker 8: sold to the Middle Tennessee Electric Membership Cooperative in twenty twenty.

1749
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 8: Other utilities substantial size include those serving the cities of

1750
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 8: Vero Beach, Anchorage, Alaska, Eagle Mountain, Utah, and all together

1751
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 8: we are talking about eight hundred thousand citizens today have

1752
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 8: their electricity. Private sales have occurred in twenty six states,

1753
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 8: and almost all of Kansas was sold, and it was

1754
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 8: sold in the nineteen eighties. Now, why even make an

1755
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 8: episode on this? And it's because of this last thing.

1756
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 8: Corporate cities. Now, of course, company towns is as old

1757
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 8: as companies are. You know, you had trained things and

1758
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 8: stuff like that, you know, where like a company moves

1759
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 8: in and it just it just made sense for the

1760
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 8: company to make sure that they were providing housing and

1761
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 8: you know, saloons and stuff like that for the people

1762
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 8: that you know, lived.

1763
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 6: In their area. It just made sense.

1764
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 8: That was just it was just good business, right, you

1765
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 8: wanted to attract more people to stay in this area.

1766
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 8: If you've ever been in northwest Arkansas, city called Bentonville.

1767
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 8: It's actually very dope to be in, but it is

1768
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 8: the headquarters for Walmart. So if you're gonna work in

1769
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:42,560
Speaker 8: corporate Walmart, you gotta live in Bentonville.

1770
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 2: Now, the city's dope is that.

1771
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 8: A corporate town, not in what I'm talking about. It

1772
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 8: is a company that said we're gonna dump a kajillion

1773
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:56,639
Speaker 8: dollars to make this city as dope as possible. That's

1774
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,919
Speaker 8: one thing I am talking about, a brand duh making

1775
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 8: a city.

1776
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 6: I wish I was making this up.

1777
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,639
Speaker 8: Google got One is working on a community called North

1778
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 8: Bay Shore in Mountain View, California that'll have seven thousand

1779
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 8: housing units, and another called Middlefield Park that'll have two

1780
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 8: thousand units. Meta is building Willow Village dubbed Zucktown in

1781
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 8: Menlo Park, California, and they'll have seventeen hundred housing units,

1782
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 8: a hotel, and plenty of retail. Disney is developing a

1783
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:38,719
Speaker 8: fourteen hundred thousand units across eighty acres in Kissamee, Florida,

1784
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 8: right near Walt Disney World. Elon Musk is building his

1785
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 8: city called in snail Brook outside of Austin, Texas for

1786
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 8: employees of his constellations of startups, including SpaceX, Tesla, and Boeing,

1787
01:32:56,280 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 8: but the most ambitious is California Forever. It's supposed to

1788
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 8: be Silicon Valley two point zero. It's this group ran

1789
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 8: by the former Golden Sacks trader Jane Samark and is

1790
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 8: backed by investors like the Lincoln co founder Reed hofsman

1791
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 8: Chris Dixon, and this philanthropist name Loreene Powell. And it

1792
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 8: plans to create this new city in Solano County, sixty

1793
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 8: miles north of San Bernardino, with tens of thousands of homes,

1794
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 8: large solar energy orchards, with a million new trees, and

1795
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 8: one hundred thousand acres of new park space. And they

1796
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 8: hope to build this community will generate thousands of jobs

1797
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 8: in a wockable Paris or West village in New York.

1798
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 6: And there was this.

1799
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 8: Reporting of this unknown group that was coming up in

1800
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 8: just like just buying farmland. It was called Flannery Associates,

1801
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 8: And for years nobody had any idea who these people were.

1802
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 8: They purchased fifty two thousand acres, spent eight hundred million,

1803
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 8: paying five times a market rate, and.

1804
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 6: Nobody knew who they were.

1805
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 8: It's a little po dunk town people selling their little farms.

1806
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 8: It's because these billionaires is building a city.

1807
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 9: Now.

1808
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 8: I am telling you all this ultimately to introduce you

1809
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 8: to Curtis Yarvin, who is probably going to be a

1810
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 8: future bastard pod person or either way, one of these

1811
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 8: shows is gonna cover this man, because this man, in

1812
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 8: a lot of ways, is the patient zero, the contagion

1813
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 8: number one of these new Republicans, this new conservatism, this

1814
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 8: new extremist that's been kind of been trying to.

1815
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 6: Tell everybody, here's why it's so poisonous.

1816
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 8: He's like, because not only is democracy dead, democracy being dead,

1817
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:56,480
Speaker 8: and whatever you think you have now ain't a democracy,

1818
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,639
Speaker 8: to which all of us would be like, nigga, Yes,

1819
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 8: That's why it's so dangerous, because I'd be like yeah.

1820
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 8: He's like, the system's failing you, and I'm like amen.

1821
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 8: So his solution is a monarchy, but.

1822
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 6: He mean a monarchy like a CEO.

1823
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 8: So this man says if the country was ran like

1824
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 8: a tech company, everything would be cool, we would all

1825
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:23,639
Speaker 8: be better. And his example of that is he would say, Okay,

1826
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:25,560
Speaker 8: look at that laptop you use it.

1827
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 6: Look at that phone you got.

1828
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 8: Do you think you would have got to that phone

1829
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 8: to that laptop, the quality of that laptop you had,

1830
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 8: if it was done by the City of California's Tech

1831
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 8: Municipal Department. He's like, nigga, no, you got that because

1832
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 8: of Steve Jobs. That's why you got that phone, because

1833
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 8: that nigga was like, Look, this is what we're doing.

1834
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 8: This is how we're doing it. He would argue that

1835
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 8: Roosevelt over the New Deal. He was a tech bro.

1836
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 8: He ran his mug like a tech startup. He was like, look, nigga,

1837
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 8: this is what we're doing. We building freeways.

1838
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:57,879
Speaker 6: I don't care what y'all say. We building freeways.

1839
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 8: He's like, if the country ran like a tech company,

1840
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 8: then maybe this country would work better. And he's like,

1841
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 8: in newsflash, whatever the hell you think you got now

1842
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 8: ain't working anyway. We might as well just lean into it.

1843
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 8: All I'm saying is I don't know what I'm saying, fam,

1844
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 8: it could happen here. So this is your favorite cousin

1845
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 8: swooping in and signing off ruining another thing for you.

1846
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:29,759
Speaker 6: Don't catch me at the hood of politics, Pop.

1847
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 10: This is it could happen here. A show about things

1848
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:56,559
Speaker 10: falling apart, and this episode is about the people who

1849
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:00,759
Speaker 10: want to make it being the United States fall apart faster,

1850
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 10: allowing them to install a white supremacist ethno state, though

1851
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,919
Speaker 10: it kind of feels like that's pretty much already happening.

1852
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 10: This episode is also about the people in government who

1853
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 10: categorize and classify want to be terrorists, who want the

1854
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 10: country to collapse faster, and what these changes in categorization

1855
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,720
Speaker 10: methods can tell us about the future of the country.

1856
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 10: I'm Garrison Davison today I'm joined by a very special guest,

1857
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:29,440
Speaker 10: philosophing comedian Michael Burns of the YouTube channel Michael o'burns

1858
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 10: and formerly wiscrack rip. How you doing.

1859
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 3: Pretty good, you know, besides living in the world that

1860
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 3: you just described past that everything's going great.

1861
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:46,879
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's kind of been my mood the past three months,

1862
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 10: maybe longer. There's a tad, a tad like liminality. But

1863
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 10: I don't know if that's just like living in denial

1864
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:56,679
Speaker 10: and trying to cope. But hey, you know what's wrong

1865
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 10: with a little bit of coping.

1866
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 3: Especially if it helps one simple survive these times. So,

1867
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 3: you know, I encourage a healthy dose of of coping

1868
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 3: or sort of a you know, mental bifurcation. If that's

1869
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 3: what we need to do to get up in the

1870
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 3: morning and get through it all. Yeah.

1871
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:14,800
Speaker 10: Now, unfortunately, this episode that I have prepared today is

1872
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 10: uh not a super cheery one for you, Michael. Uh,

1873
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 10: which is which is maybe kind of kind of appropriate

1874
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:24,759
Speaker 10: because the reason why I have you on this episode

1875
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:27,639
Speaker 10: today is because the FBI and the Department of Justice

1876
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 10: have come up with a new terrorism classification acronym which

1877
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 10: name drops the internet's favorite and sometimes least favorite philosophy, nihilism.

1878
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 10: They're they're calling these guys nihilistic violent extremists. Oh boy,

1879
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 10: we will, we will get into this. Do you want

1880
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:50,560
Speaker 10: to give like a philosophy one oh one definition of nihilism?

1881
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 10: A super well known and universally agreed upon term that

1882
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:57,800
Speaker 10: always means the same thing to everybody.

1883
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's not confusing at all. And yeah, I

1884
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 3: mean I think the root of it, at least in

1885
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 3: like a modern philosophical sense, is Nietzsche. At least that's

1886
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 3: a common reference point. And when Nietzsche is talking about nihilism,

1887
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 3: especially in a book like The Genealogy of Morality a

1888
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:16,600
Speaker 3: lot of other places, he is making the argument that

1889
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:21,599
Speaker 3: sort of Christian European culture, and particularly a Christian European

1890
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 3: culture influenced by idealist philosophy, creates nihilism. The reason he

1891
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:30,639
Speaker 3: says it creates nihilism is because people care more about

1892
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:33,639
Speaker 3: Heaven than they do about earth. They care more about

1893
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 3: the life they're going to have an eternity than the

1894
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:38,680
Speaker 3: life they have in the here and now. So for him,

1895
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:42,680
Speaker 3: it's like this devaluement of life that happens if your Christianity.

1896
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:46,679
Speaker 3: More broadly speaking, nihilism has a I guess more positive usage,

1897
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 3: which is the you know, disbelief in the inherent or

1898
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 3: necessary meaning in an overarching.

1899
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 10: System, like in like the existential sense.

1900
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:58,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you kind of have this this distinction, and

1901
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 3: some people use of positive and negative nihilism, and to

1902
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 3: be really crass and simple here, negative nihilism is nothing

1903
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 3: means anything, So I don't give a shit. I'm just

1904
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:11,719
Speaker 3: gonna hang out and do whatever. Positive nihilism is there's

1905
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 3: no inherent meaning in reality.

1906
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 2: But cool.

1907
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 3: Now, me and the homies can construct meaning as we

1908
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 3: see fit, which is more like the existentialist response. We're

1909
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 3: going to create meaning where maybe there wasn't natural meaning

1910
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 3: in this like old school platonic or Christian sense.

1911
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 10: And I'm not sure how much the FBI agents who

1912
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 10: are doing these federal court filings have read Nietzsche or

1913
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 10: the French existentialists and instead are probably using a colloquial

1914
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 10: definition of nihilism, right this like no nothing matters, you know,

1915
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:49,719
Speaker 10: this like apathetic postmodernist like idea to go a little

1916
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:51,680
Speaker 10: Jordan Petersony, right, yeah, I.

1917
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 3: Mean I think there's the sense in which it is

1918
01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 3: the kind of weird Jordan Petersony alt right philosophy version

1919
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 3: of nihilism, which just means like people that think the

1920
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 3: dominance of the West is bad. And it also reeks

1921
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 3: a little bit of like big Lebowski nihilism for totally

1922
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Speaker 3: you know. And of course in that movie, nihilism is

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Speaker 3: represented by a crew of I think Austrian techno producers

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Speaker 3: called Autobond, who are also nihilists, and they say throughout

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Speaker 3: the film like we are nihilists, we believe in nothing,

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Speaker 3: which is a really and obviously the Coen Brothers made

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Speaker 3: that film, at least one of them was a philosophy major,

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Speaker 3: so they know what they're doing. That's kind of the

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Speaker 3: really basic, not good enough version of this thing that

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Speaker 3: it seems like the FBI is operating with like people

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Speaker 3: who don't believe in the goodness of the Western project.

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Speaker 10: Correct, and that's what they're really honing in on. I

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Speaker 10: will read an expanded definition of nihilistic violent extremism. This

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Speaker 10: is from a Federal court filing dated March eighteenth, twenty

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Speaker 10: twenty five. Nihilist violent extremists are individuals who engage in

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Speaker 10: criminal conduct within the United States and abroad in furtherance

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Speaker 10: of political, social, religious goals that derive primarily from a

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01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 10: hatred of societ at large and a desire to bring

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Speaker 10: about its collapse by sowing indiscriminate chaos, destruction, and social instability.

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Speaker 10: Nihlis violent extremists work individually or as a part of

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Speaker 10: a network with these goals of destroying civilized society through

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Speaker 10: the corruption and exploitation of vulnerable populations, which often include miners. Now,

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Speaker 10: this is where it's going to get into some kind

1944
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Speaker 10: of weirder stuff that we will kind of explain later.

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Speaker 10: They have like a second definition here quote Nihilistic violence streamists,

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Speaker 10: both individually and as a network, systematically and methodically target

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Speaker 10: vulnerable populations across the United States and the globe. They

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Speaker 10: frequently use social media communication platforms to connect with individuals

1949
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Speaker 10: and desensitize them to violence, among other things, breaking down

1950
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Speaker 10: societal norms regarding engagement violence, normalizing the possession, production, and

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Speaker 10: sharing of gore materials, and otherwise corrupting and grooming those

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Speaker 10: individuals towards committing future acts of violence unquote. And that

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Speaker 10: kind of outlines some of the strategy of these groups,

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Speaker 10: the groups that they're kind of gonna mention here. I've

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Speaker 10: been doing like freelance research on for about four years now.

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Speaker 10: I've been trying to publish a few articles on these

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Speaker 10: guys over the years, but it's always it's always tricky,

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Speaker 10: and we will get to kind of the darker corners

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Speaker 10: of that in a sec But let's let's first kind

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Speaker 10: of talk about what this new term, this nvees nihilist

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Speaker 10: violent extremists, What this is kind of replacing in the

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Speaker 10: in the FBI lexicon. Now, it seems that that this

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Speaker 10: term is being used in place of two previous FBI

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Speaker 10: terrorism categories. This is from a November twenty twenty FBI bulletin.

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Speaker 10: Quote anti government or anti authority violent extremism. This threat

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Speaker 10: encompasses the potentially unlawful use or threat of force or

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Speaker 10: violence in furtherance of ideological agendas derived from anti government

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Speaker 10: or anti authority sentiment, including opposition to perceived economic, social,

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Speaker 10: or racial hierarchies, or perceived government overreach, negligence, or illegitimacy.

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Speaker 3: Can I say something that stood out to me about

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Speaker 3: those definitions? The hatred thing I found really interesting in

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Speaker 3: like the very first definition you give that nihilism is

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Speaker 3: defined as like in a motive state, because again, I

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Speaker 3: think nihilism is classically conceived totally is almost more like

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Speaker 3: ontological or metaphysical, And by that I just mean looking

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Speaker 3: at these structures of belief in the world. So rather

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Speaker 3: than being like motivated by hatred or love or fear

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Speaker 3: or whatever, a more classically nihilists few is just again like, oh,

1979
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Speaker 3: I've been sold a bill of goods on what the

1980
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Speaker 3: meaning of existences or what the undermining underlying principles of

1981
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Speaker 3: political reality are, And now I see that they are

1982
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Speaker 3: maybe bs.

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Speaker 10: Not the hatred of society and wanting to collapse it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess there's just like this negativity associated with

1985
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Speaker 3: all that language. And of course I was having never

1986
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Speaker 3: heard the definitions that you were just bringing up, you know,

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Speaker 3: the way in which it just quickly zigs and zags

1988
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Speaker 3: to like some very dark stuff in terms of like radicalization.

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Speaker 3: That seemed like there was a reference towards like a

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Speaker 3: like like pedophilia or something there.

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Speaker 10: Child sexual abuse materials, Yeah, come up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, so it just getting from A to B.

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Speaker 3: There is more like getting from A to Z or something.

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Speaker 3: It's just not a connection that I think would be

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Speaker 3: obvious to anyone who has thought about, read about written

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Speaker 3: about nihilism as more of an intellectual or even like

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Speaker 3: a political and philosophical.

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Speaker 10: Concept totally, because there is like political nihilists and like

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Speaker 10: the Russian tradition and more recently in like the American

2000
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 10: Aniatest tradition or the Greek anarchist tradition, where they believe

2001
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:39,519
Speaker 10: in this like idea of like intigation and trying to

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Speaker 10: trying to like in negate to government institutions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but which is still a far cry from believing

2004
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Speaker 3: in causing active harm psychologically, physically whatever to human.

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Speaker 10: Being vulnerable populations.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a sense in which it's painted as like

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Speaker 3: if you knew nothing else and you were to read

2010
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Speaker 3: those definitions and you were just just scared suburban insurance

2011
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Speaker 3: salesman or something. It would sound as if it was

2012
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Speaker 3: like a death cult infecting the minds of the children,

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Speaker 3: like zombie esque little super soldiers.

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Speaker 10: That's actually what they're going for. And I have a

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Speaker 10: lot of mixed opinions on this term because I think

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Speaker 10: this term is trying to describe a group that does

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Speaker 10: kind of defy classification. But I think the use of

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Speaker 10: the nihilist term is also not good. So I'm kind

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Speaker 10: of in a rock and a hard place here as

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Speaker 10: someone who does a lot of extremists and research. Now,

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Speaker 10: the other term that the FBI is probably seeking to replace,

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Speaker 10: at least in part with this new nihilism definition is

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Speaker 10: racially or ethnically motivated violent extremism. Right, this is like

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Speaker 10: your what term assists your neo Nazis. The FBI defines

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Speaker 10: it as quote. This threatning compasses the potentially unlawful use

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Speaker 10: or threat of force or violence and furtherance of ideological

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Speaker 10: agendas derived from bias, often relating to race or ethnicity

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Speaker 10: held by the actor against others or a given population group.

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Speaker 10: Racially or ethnically motivated boid extreamists purported to use both

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Speaker 10: political and religious justifications to support their racially or ethnically

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Speaker 10: based ideological objectives and criminal activities. This was the group

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Speaker 10: that saw like a massive, a massive explosion and growth

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Speaker 10: the past ten years, really starting around twenty sixteen to

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Speaker 10: twenty seventeen, with you know, the neo Nazi mass shooting

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Speaker 10: like epidemic, especially around like twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 10: This is the most lethal group and it grew exponentially

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Speaker 10: during that period, and we're kind of seeing some of

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Speaker 10: these groups start to reform now. Now there's been some

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Speaker 10: reporting that this that this anti government or anti authority

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Speaker 10: violent extremism, which I'm just going to say AGAVE, which

2041
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Speaker 10: is the acronym which does make me a little bit

2042
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 10: hungry for a glucose syrup. That it's fine. Now, there's

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Speaker 10: been some reporting that state agave is specifically like a

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Speaker 10: Biden era term, but it actually like predates the Biden

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Speaker 10: presidency and was in use under Trump. In fact, a

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Speaker 10: lot of the internal FBI reforms that are being reported

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01:48:03,320 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 10: on right now are actually undoing changes and counter terrorism

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Speaker 10: strategies that started under the first Trump presidency. But we'll

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Speaker 10: get more on that later. We're gonna go on an

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Speaker 10: ad break real quick and return to talk about a

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Speaker 10: gruesome act of violence in Wisconsin last month.

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Speaker 1: All right, we are back.

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Speaker 10: I'm gonna get more into how the government is using

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Speaker 10: this term and like what they are applying it to,

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01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:42,280
Speaker 10: what they're applying the nihilist of violent extremism labeled to.

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Speaker 10: Earlier this year, a Wisconsin teen male named Nikota Cassup

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Speaker 10: killed his parents in an attempt to gain the financial

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01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 10: means and autonomy necessary to carry out a plot to

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01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 10: assassinate President Trump and accelerate the collapse of the United States.

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Speaker 10: I'm gonna read a quote from a federal criminal complaint

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Speaker 10: filed last month.

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Speaker 5: Quote.

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Speaker 10: On March third, twenty twenty, five County sheriffs obtained a

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Speaker 10: search warrant for casp cell phone. During the review, they

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Speaker 10: identified material on the phone related to quote unquote the

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Speaker 10: Order of Nine Angles. The sheriff's review of the phone

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Speaker 10: identified possible usernames for Cassup, including Accelerationists fourteen and Awoken unquote. Now, Michael,

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Speaker 10: are you unfortunate enough to be familiar with the Order

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Speaker 10: of Nine Angles?

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Speaker 3: I am not so.

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Speaker 10: This is a group that was originally based in the

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Speaker 10: UK and now is primarily active in Eastern Europe, though

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Speaker 10: there are branches or spin offs called nexions in the

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Speaker 10: United States. This is a group that is kind of

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Speaker 10: hard to find. People often call it a Nazi Satanist group.

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Speaker 10: I think it's more accurate to call them a like

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Speaker 10: white supremacist, a cultic group who essentially try to cultivate

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Speaker 10: evil for the sake of evil. They're like a left

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Speaker 10: hand path a cult group that has orchestrated multiple terrorist attacks,

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Speaker 10: especially through radicalizing US soldiers. At this point, they're pretty

2081
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:12,320
Speaker 10: mythic with their writing and tactics, leaving a strong lingering

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Speaker 10: presence across the left hand path fascist occult milli U.

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Speaker 10: We also have a reference to quote unquote accelerationism here,

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Speaker 10: which kind of similar to nihilism. Is like this philosophical

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Speaker 10: term which has kind of been like warped and changed

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01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:30,640
Speaker 10: VIA's people's application of it in politics, and specifically kind

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Speaker 10: of the way that we're going to be using this

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Speaker 10: word here is this idea of trying to like accelerate

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Speaker 10: the collapse of the country, mostly to install like a

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Speaker 10: white supremacistats in a state after the country has collapsed.

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Speaker 10: This is how most Nazis use the term even though

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Speaker 10: it has a slightly different cultural background with the work

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Speaker 10: of Nick Land and Fisher.

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Speaker 3: When I was growing up, acceleration just men accelerating the

2095
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Speaker 3: contradictions of capitalism.

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Speaker 2: But kids these days.

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Speaker 3: That's right, not a good one.

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Speaker 10: So this eddial criminal complaint alleges that Cassup was communicating

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Speaker 10: with people on the messaging app Telegram, and these people

2100
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Speaker 10: were possibly in Ukraine and or Russia, and these people

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Speaker 10: helped him plan this attack. The FBI found TikTok messages

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Speaker 10: on his phone where he discussed the struggle of telling

2103
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Speaker 10: his friends that he quote unquote follows O nine A

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01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:23,160
Speaker 10: teachings that's Order of nine angles, and he discussed a

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Speaker 10: previous FBI visit to his home in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 10: In other exchanges on TikTok, he shared information with a

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Speaker 10: user named Nihilis about how to find Nazi telegram channels.

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Speaker 10: I'm gonna I'm gonna read through some of this, some

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Speaker 10: of this uh chat transcript Nihilis, Hey, dude, do you

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Speaker 10: know any telegram groups where niners that's O nine A

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Speaker 10: and drex can interact and exchange info? Awoken, that's Cassup. Sorry, No,

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Speaker 10: I'm mostly in NSWP telegram groups. L ol. If you

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Speaker 10: do find any, it'd be nice if you tell me. Nihilis,

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Speaker 10: what's WP? Awoke, Wikipedia dot org, slash national underscore, socialism underscore,

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Speaker 10: white power, nilus oh, white power cool? Awoken? Do you

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Speaker 10: know any on nine a telegram groups? Nihlis? Oh, not

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Speaker 10: a group, but a channel. You can find documents there. Awoken?

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Speaker 10: All right, send awoken? Can you send me the link

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Speaker 10: to the account? Awoken, It says, I can't access the message, Nihlis,

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Speaker 10: How can I do that? Wait a second, awoken? Here's

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Speaker 10: my telegram user name accelerationists fourteen. Nihlis. I sent a message,

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Speaker 10: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: That's the man.

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Speaker 10: Just There is some later telegram messages that are archived

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Speaker 10: in this in this complaint as well, where at accelerationist says,

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Speaker 10: what country do you think will get the blame for this?

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Speaker 10: Meaning his planned attack? An unknown user replied Russia will

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Speaker 10: be blamed for it. This is the goal, accelerationist said.

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Speaker 10: Quote when the time comes for you to send my

2130
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:02,040
Speaker 10: manifest to you so you can spread it online? Should

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Speaker 10: it be a pdf? Also?

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Speaker 3: Sorry? I just like that when the contexts of all

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Speaker 3: that they're discussing file types.

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Speaker 10: And also, you won't anyhow change or modify the manifesto,

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Speaker 10: The unknown user replies, write it on a piece of

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01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:19,080
Speaker 10: paper and take a picture.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 10: The FBI personnel performing the preliminary review saw images of

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01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:29,080
Speaker 10: a three page document titled Accelerate the Collapse. The images

2140
01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:32,280
Speaker 10: are screen grabs displayed on a phone, and these images

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01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:35,240
Speaker 10: were created on February twenty eight, twenty twenty five. This

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01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:39,320
Speaker 10: document is the manifesto referred to by at Accelerationist. The

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01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 10: manifesto calls for the assassination of the President of the

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01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 10: United States in order to ferment a political revolution in

2145
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,920
Speaker 10: the United States to quote unquote save the white race

2146
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:51,360
Speaker 10: from quote unquote Jewish controlled politicians. The third page of

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01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 10: the document contains images of Adolph Hitler with text that reads,

2148
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 10: quote Hail Hitler, Hail the White Race, Hail victory. Now,

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01:53:58,479 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 10: from what I can read it, this manifesto, it's pretty basic.

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01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:04,759
Speaker 10: It's heavily plagiarized, like most of these kind of white

2151
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:09,599
Speaker 10: supremacist accelerationist manifestos are. It talks about how Jews control

2152
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:13,280
Speaker 10: white countries and are promoting white genocide and degeneracy. Talks

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01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:17,280
Speaker 10: about the need to quote unquote collapse Jewish occupied governments.

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01:54:18,040 --> 01:54:20,280
Speaker 10: The manifesto states that his motivation for wanting to kill

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01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:24,120
Speaker 10: Trump was to sow chaos and raise public awareness that

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01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:27,880
Speaker 10: quote assassinations at accelerating the collapse are possible things to do,

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01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 10: unquote not that possible, since he's arrested and did not

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01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:36,240
Speaker 10: accelerate the collapse. But he also advocates that people unable

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01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 10: to commit to taking direct action instead make connections with

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01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:41,160
Speaker 10: other white supremacists and grow a network to take over

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01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:45,360
Speaker 10: the country once America collapses. He recommends the writing of

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01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:49,720
Speaker 10: Nazi accelerationists, including James Mason, who wrote the influential Nazi

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01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:53,560
Speaker 10: book Siege, and the Terror gram Collective, a group of

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01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:55,600
Speaker 10: white premacists from around the world who organize on the

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Speaker 10: messaging platform Telegram to share guides on how to do terrorism.

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01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:03,160
Speaker 10: He also recommends the writings of former Adam Waffen members,

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01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 10: an American accelerationist group, writing quote, there's much to learn

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01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:10,320
Speaker 10: from the successes and mistakes of Adam Waffin. I think

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01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:13,080
Speaker 10: it's worth noting that Adam Waffin was also either like

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01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 10: infiltrated or partially co opted and inspired by some nine

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01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:21,520
Speaker 10: A teachings. This is kind of how the more bizarre

2172
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:24,839
Speaker 10: and occultic influence of on nine A seeped more into

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01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:29,120
Speaker 10: the kind of general American accelerationist Nazi mill you this

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01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:32,880
Speaker 10: was like in like twenty eighteen. Now, Cassip advises that

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01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:35,839
Speaker 10: if the reader of the manifesto is already like pilled,

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01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 10: that you should just skip the theory and just read

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01:55:39,080 --> 01:55:42,200
Speaker 10: practical how to guides for terrorism and bomb making, since

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01:55:42,280 --> 01:55:45,880
Speaker 10: quote unquote, there is no political solution. Huge amounts of

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01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:49,000
Speaker 10: violence will be required long past the days where we

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01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:52,280
Speaker 10: can vote for a Hitler to save us. White revolution

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01:55:52,520 --> 01:55:55,800
Speaker 10: is the only solution, unquote, which is I guess I'm

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01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:58,160
Speaker 10: kind of desensitized to this sort of stuff. In fact,

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01:55:58,200 --> 01:56:00,920
Speaker 10: I just find this slightly funny considering kind of the

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01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,879
Speaker 10: victory lap that like Steven Miller and like white nationalists

2185
01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:07,000
Speaker 10: are currently having in the government where many of them

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01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:08,920
Speaker 10: do think they can just vote for a Hitler to

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01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:11,440
Speaker 10: save us, and that Hitler may may already be in

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01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:12,200
Speaker 10: office forever.

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Speaker 3: Well, that is, it's so shocking hearing all this as

2190
01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:16,920
Speaker 3: someone that doesn't know all these details. I mean a,

2191
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:18,920
Speaker 3: I feel like the blinders just got taken off me

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01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 3: and now I'm seeing the world anew but be shocking

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01:56:22,440 --> 01:56:25,560
Speaker 3: that from a more normy perspective, in my mind, I

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01:56:25,600 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 3: would think all of these types would be pretty excited

2195
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:31,040
Speaker 3: about how things are going politically, not trying to tear

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01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:34,360
Speaker 3: things down further. It's like you guys won you know,

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01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:35,000
Speaker 3: accept it.

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01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 10: Even Trump is not actually enough for a lot of

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01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:41,080
Speaker 10: these guys. Yeah, they really go places now. Cassup was

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01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:43,839
Speaker 10: coordinating with multiple telegram users, likely in Ukraine and Russia,

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01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:46,120
Speaker 10: on how to build a drone that can drop an

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01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:50,960
Speaker 10: explosive and paid some individuals for some of the required materials,

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01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,120
Speaker 10: and also had a plan to flee to Ukraine after

2204
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:58,360
Speaker 10: his attack. That he was coordinating with Ukrainian Nazis on telegram.

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01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:01,160
Speaker 3: Tough look for telegrams.

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01:57:01,200 --> 01:57:06,640
Speaker 10: It's always a tough look for telegram. Not great, not

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01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:09,520
Speaker 10: a great platform, pretty much only used by these guys.

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01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:10,560
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: No, he was talking about how he probably needs to

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01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:15,760
Speaker 10: quote unquote brush up on my Russian Oh yeah, definitely

2211
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:19,879
Speaker 10: before he flees to Ukraine after trying to kill the president.

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01:57:20,280 --> 01:57:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you download due LINGO after you do.

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01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:26,160
Speaker 10: That, that's right, that's right. He had plans to meet

2214
01:57:26,240 --> 01:57:29,560
Speaker 10: up with with ten people with similar beliefs in Ukraine.

2215
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:32,160
Speaker 3: My mind is just so blown by all this. I

2216
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:35,360
Speaker 3: thought I knew things. I know nothing now.

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01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 10: On March tenth, Sheriffs interviewed a classmate of Cassup, and

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01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:42,800
Speaker 10: the classmate told them that the Cassup would send quote

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01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 10: unquote gore edit videos that includes flashing like gore like

2220
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:53,040
Speaker 10: bodygore imagery and war images put to Russian music sent

2221
01:57:53,200 --> 01:57:57,560
Speaker 10: via Snapchat. This is a common tactic done by these

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01:57:57,640 --> 01:58:00,760
Speaker 10: sort of like teenage extremists. This is this is a

2223
01:58:00,760 --> 01:58:04,080
Speaker 10: whole like subgenre of video that has like changed and

2224
01:58:04,160 --> 01:58:07,200
Speaker 10: altered in aesthetic multiple times. Frankly, if you spend enough

2225
01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:09,680
Speaker 10: time on Twitter now in the comments of blue Check

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01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:12,040
Speaker 10: Neo Nazis, you can find some some of these edits

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01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 10: where they have like you know, like techno techno, like

2228
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:18,240
Speaker 10: fast paced sometimes like Russian music set to like you know,

2229
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:22,240
Speaker 10: glorified images of like like like Rome or Nazi Germany,

2230
01:58:22,480 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 10: or a large variety of stuff. But the gore genre

2231
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:28,920
Speaker 10: is specifically unique to kind of the to the oh

2232
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:31,560
Speaker 10: nine to a like a culti Nazi branch, because they

2233
01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:35,000
Speaker 10: think that like viewing these images like increases your power

2234
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:37,640
Speaker 10: level of like evil. Right, It's a very video game

2235
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:40,680
Speaker 10: view of like of like spiritual development of like you

2236
01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 10: have to you have to like raise your evil stat

2237
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:45,440
Speaker 10: by looking at Gore and this will make you more

2238
01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:47,600
Speaker 10: able to commit like big acts of violence.

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01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:51,040
Speaker 3: WHOA So just desensitizing yourself. So the image just makes

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01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:53,040
Speaker 3: you a more violent person and capable of doing these

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01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:53,720
Speaker 3: things yourself.

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01:58:53,960 --> 01:58:58,200
Speaker 10: Correct correct, And that's like a big part of their process. This,

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01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:00,320
Speaker 10: this is why they send this type of to a

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01:59:00,360 --> 01:59:02,320
Speaker 10: lot of kids on the internet, because they hope that

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01:59:02,360 --> 01:59:05,160
Speaker 10: if they decenitize these kids, it'll be easier to convince

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01:59:05,160 --> 01:59:08,720
Speaker 10: them to then do acts of violence themselves. Cassup told

2247
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:11,520
Speaker 10: his classmate that he intended to kill his parents by

2248
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:14,160
Speaker 10: shooting them, but could not because he didn't have access

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01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:16,600
Speaker 10: to a gun. He later told his classmate that he

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01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:18,720
Speaker 10: would befriend someone with a gun and then steal it,

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01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:21,600
Speaker 10: and told him that he was in contact with a

2252
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:23,880
Speaker 10: male in Russia via telegram and that they were both

2253
01:59:23,960 --> 01:59:26,520
Speaker 10: plotting to overthrow the government of the United States and

2254
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:31,080
Speaker 10: assassinate Resident Trump. Cassip told the classmate that when he

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01:59:31,160 --> 01:59:35,040
Speaker 10: saw ten consecutive attacks in the news, it would have

2256
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:35,800
Speaker 10: to be him.

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01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:38,880
Speaker 3: I've already transitioned to this sort of person who can

2258
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:41,480
Speaker 3: now laugh at this because of the absurdity.

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01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:44,760
Speaker 10: Oh my gosh, and get those laughs in now, because

2260
01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:48,640
Speaker 10: the next section is much more dark. Oh no, because

2261
01:59:48,680 --> 01:59:50,400
Speaker 10: it's funny to laugh at a guy like this who

2262
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:52,560
Speaker 10: mostly failed. I mean, he did kill his parents, that is.

2263
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:57,360
Speaker 10: Oh no, he did kill his parents. He did flee

2264
01:59:57,640 --> 02:00:00,240
Speaker 10: through a different state. He wasn't smart enough to he

2265
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:02,800
Speaker 10: at least tracked him on him and his parents' cell

2266
02:00:02,840 --> 02:00:06,800
Speaker 10: phone and their car who he still had with him.

2267
02:00:07,240 --> 02:00:11,680
Speaker 10: So yet not a very good attacker, I guess. But no,

2268
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:15,200
Speaker 10: like this, this kid murder of his parents sat in

2269
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:18,440
Speaker 10: the house with their decomposing bodies for twelve days before

2270
02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:20,760
Speaker 10: trying to carry out the rest of his attack on

2271
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:24,520
Speaker 10: the United States. So yeah, though he did not succeed

2272
02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:28,160
Speaker 10: in his larger goals like these, these people still absolutely

2273
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:30,560
Speaker 10: do get like groomed into doing violence. And this is

2274
02:00:30,600 --> 02:00:34,880
Speaker 10: something that happens at a pretty frequent basis, honestly, to

2275
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:37,040
Speaker 10: the point where these types of things don't make giant

2276
02:00:37,040 --> 02:00:40,560
Speaker 10: headlines anymore. They would have maybe in twenty seventeen, but

2277
02:00:40,680 --> 02:00:43,480
Speaker 10: now a lot of journalists are desensitized to this, and

2278
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:48,160
Speaker 10: because it happens so frequently, it is less newsworthy, which

2279
02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:50,919
Speaker 10: is a very unfortunate place to be in for a country.

2280
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Speaker 10: Do you know what else is unfortunate? Michael?

2281
02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:54,640
Speaker 3: Oh, what what's that?

2282
02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:58,840
Speaker 10: Having to pivot to ads actually necessary evil.

2283
02:00:58,840 --> 02:01:00,000
Speaker 3: It's way better than killing your fend.

2284
02:01:00,920 --> 02:01:03,440
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, I will go on record. I will go

2285
02:01:03,480 --> 02:01:09,400
Speaker 10: on record. Eat me get aboord. Sorry, I love ads. Actually,

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02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:23,160
Speaker 10: as it heads up, the next section will reference online

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02:01:23,160 --> 02:01:28,120
Speaker 10: exploitation and child sexual abuse material. All right, we are back.

2288
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:34,120
Speaker 10: Let's get more depressing. Unfortunately, but I think we will

2289
02:01:34,120 --> 02:01:36,400
Speaker 10: find a way to turn this around. Well, not like

2290
02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:38,280
Speaker 10: in an optimistic way, but in a way that it's

2291
02:01:38,280 --> 02:01:42,600
Speaker 10: like useful. Well, well, we'll learn something together. So at

2292
02:01:42,640 --> 02:01:45,560
Speaker 10: the end of this section of this complaint that attempts

2293
02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:50,760
Speaker 10: to describe Cassip's collapse driven political ideology is the appearance

2294
02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:54,160
Speaker 10: of this new term, nihilistic violent extremists right now. This

2295
02:01:54,240 --> 02:01:56,840
Speaker 10: was actually the second time this term has appeared in

2296
02:01:56,880 --> 02:02:00,800
Speaker 10: court documents. The earliest appearance of this term was in

2297
02:02:00,840 --> 02:02:04,000
Speaker 10: a March sentencing memo for a child sexual abuse material

2298
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:06,840
Speaker 10: case first filed in November of twenty twenty four, which

2299
02:02:06,920 --> 02:02:09,960
Speaker 10: was linked to the seven six four child extortion and

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Speaker 10: exploitation network. Ken Kleppenstein, who first reported on the use

2301
02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:18,520
Speaker 10: of the nihilism term, missed this first appearance and attributed

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Speaker 10: the origin to the cassup case. Michael, are you similarly

2303
02:02:22,040 --> 02:02:24,760
Speaker 10: unfortunate enough to be aware of seven six'?

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Speaker 3: Four this is another one where my brain is more

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02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:31,160
Speaker 3: pure than. YOURS i guess at this point for dad

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Speaker 3: to get, Ruined so let's still let's do.

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Speaker 10: It, YEAH i mean it has been for a lot of,

2308
02:02:34,720 --> 02:02:37,760
Speaker 10: people Like I've i've been doing like extremism, research And

2309
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:41,880
Speaker 10: i've been aware of these guys for about four. Years

2310
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:46,040
Speaker 10: THE fbi think first did their like public announcement like

2311
02:02:46,120 --> 02:02:49,360
Speaker 10: warning parents about this in twenty twenty. Three seven six

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02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:52,800
Speaker 10: four is like a network of groups that operate either on, Discord, Telegram,

2313
02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:56,040
Speaker 10: instagram social media. Apps they're kind of inspired by some

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02:02:56,080 --> 02:02:58,120
Speaker 10: aspects OF oz NINE, a but they are much more

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02:02:58,120 --> 02:03:01,160
Speaker 10: focused on the production and district abution of child sexual

2316
02:03:01,160 --> 02:03:06,920
Speaker 10: abuse materials and trying to manipulate groom and like blackmail

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02:03:06,920 --> 02:03:10,120
Speaker 10: and extort miners into producing this. MATERIAL a lot of

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02:03:10,120 --> 02:03:12,240
Speaker 10: it's done by other miners, Too like a lot of

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02:03:12,240 --> 02:03:15,360
Speaker 10: this is teens targeting other teens with adults kind of

2320
02:03:15,360 --> 02:03:18,760
Speaker 10: helping this process. Along it's a pretty big. Problem there's

2321
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:21,200
Speaker 10: been some good reporting on it In wired And The

2322
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:24,840
Speaker 10: guardian the past few, years if you want to read. More,

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02:03:26,120 --> 02:03:29,240
Speaker 10: now This march sentencing memo for the seven six four

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02:03:29,320 --> 02:03:32,640
Speaker 10: case describes seven six four and related groups as quote

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02:03:32,840 --> 02:03:36,440
Speaker 10: nihilist violent extremists who engage in criminal conduct within The

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02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:39,400
Speaker 10: United states and engage with other extremists. Abroad the seven

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02:03:39,440 --> 02:03:42,800
Speaker 10: six to four Networks accelerationist goals include social unrest in

2328
02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:45,360
Speaker 10: the downfall of the current world, order including The United states.

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02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:48,120
Speaker 10: Government members of seven six four work in concert with

2330
02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:51,840
Speaker 10: one another towards a common purpose of destroying civilized society

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02:03:52,240 --> 02:03:57,080
Speaker 10: through the corruption and exploitation of vulnerable, populations including. Miners. Quote,

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Speaker 10: NOW i think this this definition may be a bit to,

2333
02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:05,280
Speaker 10: generalizing but it's not. Incorrect like, this this is correct

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02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:09,360
Speaker 10: in what the explicit goals of this group, are maybe

2335
02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:12,960
Speaker 10: not just every individual member of this. Group BUT i

2336
02:04:13,320 --> 02:04:15,480
Speaker 10: think it would be a mistake to kind of dismiss

2337
02:04:15,480 --> 02:04:19,720
Speaker 10: this definition as outlandishly, grandiose. Right it kind of it

2338
02:04:19,720 --> 02:04:23,600
Speaker 10: calls into like my you, know like conspiracy, theory like,

2339
02:04:23,680 --> 02:04:27,640
Speaker 10: framing because it sounds very like extravagant and, complicated and

2340
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:30,720
Speaker 10: it kind of, is but it's it's also like. Simple

2341
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:33,680
Speaker 10: it's it's people trying to automate the process of producing

2342
02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:36,400
Speaker 10: and distributing illegal. Materials BUT i do believe it is

2343
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:38,840
Speaker 10: a mistake to completely dismiss, this both in terms of

2344
02:04:38,840 --> 02:04:41,880
Speaker 10: like the government trying to ascribe political motive for the

2345
02:04:41,880 --> 02:04:45,480
Speaker 10: distribution of these, materials and also the ideological justifications held

2346
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:49,000
Speaker 10: by some members of these. Groups now there have been

2347
02:04:49,240 --> 02:04:51,840
Speaker 10: two more seven six four cases From april of twenty

2348
02:04:51,880 --> 02:04:55,360
Speaker 10: twenty five that have used the nihilist of violent extremism

2349
02:04:55,400 --> 02:04:58,680
Speaker 10: designation in court. Documents, now part of kind of the

2350
02:04:58,680 --> 02:05:02,160
Speaker 10: struggle with this, is Like Ken kippenstein, reported, quote it

2351
02:05:02,200 --> 02:05:05,760
Speaker 10: sounds to me like some demented philosophical justification for just

2352
02:05:05,880 --> 02:05:09,720
Speaker 10: being a, pedophile and like it, Is but that doesn't

2353
02:05:09,760 --> 02:05:15,280
Speaker 10: mean the political motivations shouldn't be, discounted because those motivations

2354
02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:18,480
Speaker 10: impact how they, operate how these groups, spread which targets they,

2355
02:05:18,480 --> 02:05:22,360
Speaker 10: pick and other political actions members might, take like mass

2356
02:05:22,360 --> 02:05:27,800
Speaker 10: shootings targeting racial, minorities TARGETING lgbtq. Individuals so, yeah this

2357
02:05:28,240 --> 02:05:30,360
Speaker 10: is kind of WHY i push back a little bit

2358
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:33,560
Speaker 10: on this kind of dismissive tone towards this like, larger

2359
02:05:33,680 --> 02:05:37,920
Speaker 10: almost conspiratorial kind of matrix put onto groups like seven

2360
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:40,600
Speaker 10: and six. Four, now part of the tricky thing with

2361
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:44,000
Speaker 10: use of this new nihilism term is that it's being

2362
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:47,800
Speaker 10: used to rope in a variety of horrific incidents under

2363
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:51,640
Speaker 10: a singular nebulous. Category, Right so let's take the case

2364
02:05:51,680 --> 02:05:54,040
Speaker 10: Of Cassip. Here Cass up that the guy who killed

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02:05:54,040 --> 02:05:56,800
Speaker 10: his parents in a plata collapse The United, states is

2366
02:05:57,120 --> 02:06:00,960
Speaker 10: a relatively bog standard like Neo nazi accelerationist with seemingly

2367
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:03,440
Speaker 10: no direct ties to seven to six four activity besides

2368
02:06:03,440 --> 02:06:05,320
Speaker 10: an interest IN o NINE, a which was just one

2369
02:06:05,320 --> 02:06:08,360
Speaker 10: of the inspirations that influenced seven to sixty four as

2370
02:06:08,360 --> 02:06:11,200
Speaker 10: it evolved into its own complex machine about five years.

2371
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:14,920
Speaker 10: Ago But cassup openly admitted to being radicalized By nazism

2372
02:06:14,960 --> 02:06:18,160
Speaker 10: and the White power movement, online and yet in his

2373
02:06:18,280 --> 02:06:23,120
Speaker 10: criminal complaint contains an expanded version of the nihilist violent extremism,

2374
02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:25,960
Speaker 10: definition which is literally copy and pasted from a child

2375
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:29,320
Speaker 10: sexual abuse material sentencing memo from five days. Before so

2376
02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:32,560
Speaker 10: they just used this same thing despite it not really.

2377
02:06:32,560 --> 02:06:36,960
Speaker 10: Applying reading. Quote individuals are targeted online often through synchronized group.

2378
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:41,040
Speaker 10: Chats nihilist of violent extremists frequently conduct coorinated extortions of

2379
02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:43,680
Speaker 10: individuals by blackmailing them so they comply with demands of the.

2380
02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:46,360
Speaker 10: Network these demands vary and, include but are not limited,

2381
02:06:46,360 --> 02:06:49,760
Speaker 10: to self mutilation online or in, person sexual, as harms to, animals,

2382
02:06:49,800 --> 02:06:52,960
Speaker 10: sex sexual exploitation of siblings and, others acts of, violence

2383
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:56,920
Speaker 10: threats of, violence, suicide and. Murder so very very dark.

2384
02:06:56,960 --> 02:06:59,960
Speaker 10: Stuff the definition goes on to state how Vulnerable india

2385
02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:03,440
Speaker 10: are targeted and members of the group attempt to gain

2386
02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:06,600
Speaker 10: notoriety throughout the network and spread fear among those targeted

2387
02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:09,600
Speaker 10: individuals for the purpose of accelerating the downfall of society

2388
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:13,240
Speaker 10: and otherwise achieving the goal of nihilist violent. Extremists so

2389
02:07:13,720 --> 02:07:16,960
Speaker 10: while that does accurately describe groups like seven six, four

2390
02:07:17,400 --> 02:07:20,440
Speaker 10: it doesn't really relate to the case Of. Cassup it's

2391
02:07:20,480 --> 02:07:22,200
Speaker 10: tricky because a lot of these seven and six four

2392
02:07:22,240 --> 02:07:25,760
Speaker 10: guys are Also, nazis and a lot Of nazis are also.

2393
02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:30,440
Speaker 10: Pedophiles some of these guys start off as like evil

2394
02:07:30,520 --> 02:07:34,400
Speaker 10: occultic pedophiles who associate With nazism because it's a pretty

2395
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:38,080
Speaker 10: universal symbol of, evil and sometimes it's the vice versa

2396
02:07:38,080 --> 02:07:40,440
Speaker 10: where they start off as like an antisemitic right, winger

2397
02:07:40,520 --> 02:07:43,600
Speaker 10: A nazi or A, fascist who then associate with this

2398
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:46,760
Speaker 10: weird pedo occult stuff for a variety of reasons like,

2399
02:07:46,800 --> 02:07:51,720
Speaker 10: spiritual perverted pleasure or tactical network, building and usually usually

2400
02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:55,960
Speaker 10: it's a, Mix klippenstein, writes. Quote the warrant Alleges cassip

2401
02:07:56,040 --> 02:07:57,840
Speaker 10: was in touch with The order Of Nine, angles A

2402
02:07:57,920 --> 02:08:01,400
Speaker 10: satanic Neo nazi group that spouses except, racism a fancy

2403
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:04,520
Speaker 10: word for the belief that destabilizing the social order allows

2404
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:07,520
Speaker 10: for radical. Change that is pretty heady stuff to ascribe

2405
02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:09,960
Speaker 10: to a seventeen year old and ends up having the

2406
02:08:09,960 --> 02:08:13,320
Speaker 10: feeling of an episode of altered carbon, unquote AND i

2407
02:08:13,400 --> 02:08:16,520
Speaker 10: kind of like reject this dismissive, Framing, like, no these

2408
02:08:16,520 --> 02:08:19,040
Speaker 10: seventeen year olds are thinking about, This they are getting

2409
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:22,640
Speaker 10: convinced of this material. Online that is the motivation for

2410
02:08:22,760 --> 02:08:25,120
Speaker 10: this isn't like a science fiction. Thing this is real

2411
02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:28,760
Speaker 10: and it's pretty common among like extremists this. Age there's

2412
02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:33,080
Speaker 10: a lot of young teenage male extremists that's kind of

2413
02:08:33,120 --> 02:08:36,000
Speaker 10: their main, demographic and this type of stuff is popular

2414
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:39,560
Speaker 10: like this is at least popular within this small group of.

2415
02:08:39,600 --> 02:08:43,080
Speaker 10: Extremists so, yeah it is a little bit, heady but

2416
02:08:43,640 --> 02:08:46,360
Speaker 10: this is what they are genuinely thinking about. It it's

2417
02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:49,920
Speaker 10: not incorrect to like ascribe that to. Them cassap openly

2418
02:08:49,960 --> 02:08:51,600
Speaker 10: admitted to this connection well.

2419
02:08:51,440 --> 02:08:53,760
Speaker 3: And even speak to the flip side of. That you,

2420
02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:58,320
Speaker 3: know over the years making philosophy stuff on, YouTube i've

2421
02:08:58,320 --> 02:09:00,520
Speaker 3: gotten in touch with people who reached out to be, like,

2422
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:02,440
Speaker 3: Oh i've been watching stuff since high. School WHEN i

2423
02:09:02,480 --> 02:09:04,720
Speaker 3: was like, FIFTEEN i was watching these like philosophy YouTube

2424
02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:06,080
Speaker 3: videos on heady ideas and reading.

2425
02:09:06,120 --> 02:09:08,320
Speaker 10: Stuff so like, ME i was one of these.

2426
02:09:08,360 --> 02:09:11,600
Speaker 3: People, yeah there's like young folks out there who take

2427
02:09:11,680 --> 02:09:14,560
Speaker 3: big ideas very seriously and they have, more absolutely less

2428
02:09:14,600 --> 02:09:17,080
Speaker 3: than every of these. Things so it doesn't and it

2429
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:19,760
Speaker 3: doesn't shock me at all that some teen could go

2430
02:09:19,760 --> 02:09:21,720
Speaker 3: down that rabbit hole or even could start reading like

2431
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:24,720
Speaker 3: A Kurtis jarvin Or Nick land and going down those

2432
02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:26,520
Speaker 3: rabbit holes and, stuff especially now that some of these

2433
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:28,600
Speaker 3: people are you, know put on like The New York

2434
02:09:28,600 --> 02:09:31,000
Speaker 3: times and stuff like. That so, exactly it seems weird

2435
02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:35,000
Speaker 3: to dismiss. THAT i can understand the impulse to be,

2436
02:09:35,160 --> 02:09:38,920
Speaker 3: like this just seems like a very, stupid evil teen. Kid,

2437
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:41,880
Speaker 3: totally it seems just as. Plausible like you're pointing out

2438
02:09:41,880 --> 02:09:43,840
Speaker 3: that there could be an actual engagement with, ideas and

2439
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:45,960
Speaker 3: it's important to recognize that because then you have to

2440
02:09:45,960 --> 02:09:46,720
Speaker 3: get at the root of that.

2441
02:09:47,080 --> 02:09:51,560
Speaker 10: Exactly and, like these people aren't necessarily like philosophical nihilists

2442
02:09:51,760 --> 02:09:55,120
Speaker 10: or existential. Nihilists, yeah but they could be interpreted as

2443
02:09:55,160 --> 02:09:58,280
Speaker 10: reacting to a general like passive nihilist culture with this

2444
02:09:58,320 --> 02:10:01,800
Speaker 10: form of like pseudo political, nihlige this attempt at like social,

2445
02:10:02,240 --> 02:10:06,280
Speaker 10: negation like total systems. Collapse but even still they aren't

2446
02:10:06,280 --> 02:10:08,880
Speaker 10: total like political, nihilists since they have a very clear

2447
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:12,120
Speaker 10: system of hierarchy that they want the current world order replaced.

2448
02:10:12,120 --> 02:10:15,760
Speaker 10: With though these individuals may be seen as like victims

2449
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:19,560
Speaker 10: of nihilism and like like in like The nietzschean. Sense, now,

2450
02:10:19,600 --> 02:10:23,200
Speaker 10: like my main problem with the nihilist violent extremism term

2451
02:10:23,480 --> 02:10:27,320
Speaker 10: is that it's so depoliticized and like in a way

2452
02:10:27,400 --> 02:10:30,600
Speaker 10: that's rife for political. Abuse this term can be used

2453
02:10:30,640 --> 02:10:33,520
Speaker 10: to cover what the government deems as violence stemming from

2454
02:10:33,560 --> 02:10:37,240
Speaker 10: like apathy from frustration with, society as well as like

2455
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:41,760
Speaker 10: anti tech or anti civilization, politics and this is all

2456
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:44,720
Speaker 10: coming from like top down at the New Federal bureau Of.

2457
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:48,600
Speaker 10: Investigation for, Years Cash bettel has closely associated WITH, QAnon

2458
02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:52,120
Speaker 10: has helped the legal defense campaigns For january sixth, insurrectionists

2459
02:10:52,520 --> 02:10:55,680
Speaker 10: which Included Proud, Boys ousekeepers since Three, percenters and now

2460
02:10:55,680 --> 02:10:58,160
Speaker 10: as head of THE, fbi he's INVESTIGATING fbi agents who

2461
02:10:58,240 --> 02:11:01,440
Speaker 10: worked Those january sixth. Cases Joe, kent the new director

2462
02:11:01,480 --> 02:11:04,480
Speaker 10: of The national Counter Terrorism, center has made media appearances

2463
02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:07,880
Speaker 10: With Nick fuentes and Neo nazi YouTuber David. Carlson he

2464
02:11:07,960 --> 02:11:11,360
Speaker 10: Hired Proud boys to consult in his failed congressional, campaign

2465
02:11:11,560 --> 02:11:14,720
Speaker 10: and his friends With Patriot prayer Leader Joey. Gibson kent

2466
02:11:14,760 --> 02:11:19,120
Speaker 10: has repeatedly called for THE fbi to INVESTIGATE. Antifa the

2467
02:11:19,160 --> 02:11:22,040
Speaker 10: co founder of The Global Project against And, Extremism Heidi,

2468
02:11:22,360 --> 02:11:26,160
Speaker 10: barrick has said That PATEL'S QAnon links And deputy Director

2469
02:11:26,240 --> 02:11:30,080
Speaker 10: Dan bongino's public conspiracism and bigotry make taking the threat

2470
02:11:30,080 --> 02:11:32,960
Speaker 10: of far right extremism quote unquote impossible for these two.

2471
02:11:33,080 --> 02:11:35,960
Speaker 10: Men she, says, QUOTE i think it makes it very

2472
02:11:36,040 --> 02:11:38,520
Speaker 10: unlikely that the far right will continue to be seen

2473
02:11:38,560 --> 02:11:40,480
Speaker 10: as the threat it actually is in terms of hate

2474
02:11:40,520 --> 02:11:43,360
Speaker 10: crimes and domestic. Terrorism all of this marks a huge

2475
02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:46,480
Speaker 10: departure from the First trump, administration where THE fbi for

2476
02:11:46,520 --> 02:11:50,560
Speaker 10: the first time Declared White premacy the country's greatest domestic terrorism.

2477
02:11:50,600 --> 02:11:54,520
Speaker 10: Threat facts about violence and its perpetuators probably won't matter

2478
02:11:54,600 --> 02:11:58,560
Speaker 10: this time, around, Unquote and these changes are already taking.

2479
02:11:58,600 --> 02:12:01,400
Speaker 10: Place an old counter terrorism try guide was removed from

2480
02:12:01,440 --> 02:12:04,600
Speaker 10: The White house website In. JANUARY a CURRENT fbi agent

2481
02:12:04,760 --> 02:12:07,240
Speaker 10: was quoted In Vanity fair as, saying, quote the key

2482
02:12:07,400 --> 02:12:10,040
Speaker 10: is The Domestic Intelligence Operations. Guide if they change, That

2483
02:12:10,120 --> 02:12:14,120
Speaker 10: patel will be able to shift domestic terrorism investigations away

2484
02:12:14,200 --> 02:12:17,040
Speaker 10: from the accelerationists and the right wing street fighters and

2485
02:12:17,120 --> 02:12:21,680
Speaker 10: towards things LIKE blm And antifa. Unquote patel has cut

2486
02:12:21,720 --> 02:12:25,520
Speaker 10: The Domestic Terrorism office staffing and reassigned agents and intelligence,

2487
02:12:25,520 --> 02:12:30,480
Speaker 10: analysts with new SENIOR fbi officials reportedly considering to disband

2488
02:12:30,600 --> 02:12:34,440
Speaker 10: the Entire Domestic Terrorism operations. Section in, addition THE fbi

2489
02:12:34,480 --> 02:12:38,520
Speaker 10: has discontinued their previous Domestic Terrorism tracking, tool where they

2490
02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:43,160
Speaker 10: take relevant investigations to identify and track trends for terrorism

2491
02:12:43,240 --> 02:12:46,880
Speaker 10: probes across the. Country sources for outlets Like reuters say

2492
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:49,800
Speaker 10: that changes to the agency will reduce counter terrorism operations

2493
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:54,120
Speaker 10: against far right and racially motivated extremists and. Militias Jacob,

2494
02:12:54,160 --> 02:12:57,000
Speaker 10: ware a domestic terrorism expert at The council On Foreign,

2495
02:12:57,000 --> 02:12:59,800
Speaker 10: relations Told, reuters, quote there is a broader, DESIRE i

2496
02:12:59,840 --> 02:13:03,240
Speaker 10: think within the administration to at best ignore data and

2497
02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:05,800
Speaker 10: put their head in the, sand and at worst to

2498
02:13:05,920 --> 02:13:11,360
Speaker 10: realign resources away from this battle. UNQUOTE a spokesperson For

2499
02:13:11,560 --> 02:13:14,600
Speaker 10: Higher Representative Jim jordan Told reuters that the termination of

2500
02:13:14,640 --> 02:13:17,880
Speaker 10: the domestic terrorism tracking tool is a quote great step

2501
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:20,400
Speaker 10: in the right direction of returning THE fbi to its

2502
02:13:20,400 --> 02:13:25,200
Speaker 10: primary crime fighting mission. Unquote Representative jordan previously in twenty

2503
02:13:25,200 --> 02:13:28,120
Speaker 10: twenty three ran a congressional panel that alleged THE fbi

2504
02:13:28,360 --> 02:13:32,280
Speaker 10: terrorism case tagging tool was being improperly used to target.

2505
02:13:32,320 --> 02:13:36,120
Speaker 10: Conservatives After january, sixth three FORMER fbi agents testified at

2506
02:13:36,160 --> 02:13:39,400
Speaker 10: The republican led, panel and two of those former agents

2507
02:13:39,440 --> 02:13:42,880
Speaker 10: admitted to being paid By, patel who at the time

2508
02:13:43,120 --> 02:13:45,320
Speaker 10: was not director of THE. Fbi he was just a

2509
02:13:45,400 --> 02:13:48,800
Speaker 10: right wing. Influencer after being kicked out of the government

2510
02:13:48,920 --> 02:13:53,120
Speaker 10: after the First trump. Administration we've also seen The Joint

2511
02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:58,800
Speaker 10: Terrorism Task force largely shift their efforts towards immigration, enforcement

2512
02:13:58,920 --> 02:14:02,120
Speaker 10: HELPING ice with deeperas rotations and the so called wave

2513
02:14:02,200 --> 02:14:06,880
Speaker 10: Of tesla. Terrorism and like the other thing is that

2514
02:14:07,200 --> 02:14:10,440
Speaker 10: this new nihilist violent extremism term isn't just replacing A.

2515
02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:13,280
Speaker 10: Gave it's not just replacing the anti government or anti

2516
02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:16,920
Speaker 10: authority of biolin. Extremism because THE agave term itself has three.

2517
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:20,600
Speaker 10: Subcategories as reference to AN fbi document that outlines domestic

2518
02:14:20,640 --> 02:14:23,560
Speaker 10: terrorism activity from twenty fifteen to twenty, nineteen this includes

2519
02:14:23,640 --> 02:14:28,360
Speaker 10: militia violent, extremists anarchist violent, extremists and sovereign citizen violent.

2520
02:14:28,360 --> 02:14:31,720
Speaker 10: Extremists and even in addition to those, three there's actually

2521
02:14:31,760 --> 02:14:35,400
Speaker 10: a newer subclassification from twenty twenty three called A gave,

2522
02:14:35,600 --> 02:14:39,880
Speaker 10: other which really isn't a great term at. All this

2523
02:14:39,960 --> 02:14:42,839
Speaker 10: is the problem with trying to use these like tracking

2524
02:14:42,840 --> 02:14:45,440
Speaker 10: and tagging tools is that they can get very. Convoluted

2525
02:14:45,880 --> 02:14:49,080
Speaker 10: but now they've seemingly collapsed all of these and are

2526
02:14:49,160 --> 02:14:50,560
Speaker 10: just using the term.

2527
02:14:50,640 --> 02:14:54,560
Speaker 3: Nihilism so would you, say like when you bring up

2528
02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:57,280
Speaker 3: The tesla, example is one of to be very reductive.

2529
02:14:57,280 --> 02:15:01,520
Speaker 3: Here the big risks at play that like someone who

2530
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:04,640
Speaker 3: Starts tesla on fire or causes some damage at A

2531
02:15:05,120 --> 02:15:08,280
Speaker 3: tesla dealership largely for the motivation of trying to stick

2532
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:11,440
Speaker 3: it To Elon musk or something like that gets classified

2533
02:15:11,440 --> 02:15:13,920
Speaker 3: in a way by THE fbi that is similar to

2534
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:16,400
Speaker 3: some of the folks you have previously talked about exactly

2535
02:15:16,480 --> 02:15:19,360
Speaker 3: doing things that most rational humans can agree are deeply

2536
02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:21,000
Speaker 3: more insidious than like set a car on.

2537
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:24,000
Speaker 10: Fire they can frame this as like a rejection of. Society,

2538
02:15:24,400 --> 02:15:26,800
Speaker 10: yeah the same, Way like there's been talk that they're

2539
02:15:26,800 --> 02:15:29,000
Speaker 10: going to try to use this label to explain cases

2540
02:15:29,160 --> 02:15:33,440
Speaker 10: like The United HEALTHCARE ceo, shooting ars attack At Josh shapiro's.

2541
02:15:33,480 --> 02:15:36,880
Speaker 10: House they're going to be using this term to apply

2542
02:15:36,960 --> 02:15:39,160
Speaker 10: to kind of any act that they see is like

2543
02:15:39,200 --> 02:15:42,880
Speaker 10: a contrary to like society and civilization and anything that's

2544
02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:47,120
Speaker 10: stemming from frustration with. Society and that's a huge. Problem

2545
02:15:47,400 --> 02:15:50,720
Speaker 10: and in doing, so they're shifting focus away from like

2546
02:15:50,840 --> 02:15:54,600
Speaker 10: right wing militias who do the majority of like actual lethal.

2547
02:15:54,680 --> 02:15:57,960
Speaker 10: Violence when these reports from like the past five years talk,

2548
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:00,960
Speaker 10: about you, know militia violent, extremism it talks about how

2549
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:03,640
Speaker 10: there is an increased to lethal threat from these militias

2550
02:16:03,640 --> 02:16:06,800
Speaker 10: to law, enforcement the government personnel due to factors related

2551
02:16:06,920 --> 02:16:09,840
Speaker 10: to grievances from the perceptions of fraud in the twenty twenty,

2552
02:16:09,880 --> 02:16:14,400
Speaker 10: election government measures related TO covid nineteen and legislation to

2553
02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:19,160
Speaker 10: restrict firearms or expand immigration or manage public. Land and

2554
02:16:19,200 --> 02:16:20,800
Speaker 10: these are the people that do the vast majority of

2555
02:16:20,920 --> 02:16:24,440
Speaker 10: planned attacks or executed. Attacks this report between twenty three

2556
02:16:24,680 --> 02:16:28,360
Speaker 10: outlines two attempted bombings by militia violenctreamists in early twenty twenty,

2557
02:16:28,440 --> 02:16:31,240
Speaker 10: one one by an individual targeted against data center thought

2558
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:33,840
Speaker 10: to provide services to THE fbi AND, cia the author

2559
02:16:33,879 --> 02:16:37,000
Speaker 10: by two people against a State Democratic party headquarters In, Sacramento,

2560
02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:40,360
Speaker 10: california as well as the quote unquote t do dozens

2561
02:16:40,400 --> 02:16:44,560
Speaker 10: of militia violenctarymists arrested for their involvement In january. Sixth

2562
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:47,440
Speaker 10: so even though we're going to take the gas off

2563
02:16:47,480 --> 02:16:50,680
Speaker 10: of groups like those as well as as racially motivated,

2564
02:16:50,720 --> 02:16:54,440
Speaker 10: violenceremists this definition can still include a lot Of like

2565
02:16:54,480 --> 02:16:57,520
Speaker 10: anarchist violent, actremists which the fbidmits into twenty twenty three,

2566
02:16:57,560 --> 02:17:00,960
Speaker 10: report are most likely to engage in non lethal criminal

2567
02:17:01,000 --> 02:17:03,199
Speaker 10: activity and just impact law enforcement.

2568
02:17:03,240 --> 02:17:06,440
Speaker 3: Operations, yeah it makes me think of like climate activism as,

2569
02:17:06,520 --> 02:17:09,280
Speaker 3: well and you, know the work of those in the

2570
02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:12,000
Speaker 3: climate community that call for like the destruction of equipment

2571
02:17:12,160 --> 02:17:13,640
Speaker 3: and not the harm of human life.

2572
02:17:13,680 --> 02:17:14,080
Speaker 10: TOTALLY i.

2573
02:17:14,120 --> 02:17:16,000
Speaker 3: Mean and the irony of course that you could call

2574
02:17:16,520 --> 02:17:22,480
Speaker 3: someone you, know disabling an oil pipeline a nihilist extremists

2575
02:17:22,480 --> 02:17:24,560
Speaker 3: when the act they're doing is precisely for the purpose

2576
02:17:24,560 --> 02:17:27,720
Speaker 3: of ensuring the continued existence of human civilization on a large.

2577
02:17:27,720 --> 02:17:31,480
Speaker 10: Scale that's the big issue, Here like The trump government

2578
02:17:31,560 --> 02:17:33,800
Speaker 10: still wants a term that focuses on what some people

2579
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:37,680
Speaker 10: would like colloquially refer to as like accelerationist, terrorism and

2580
02:17:38,040 --> 02:17:41,040
Speaker 10: that does encompass some of the extremist violence from the

2581
02:17:41,120 --> 02:17:43,800
Speaker 10: weirder corners of the far, right like in the case Of,

2582
02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:47,800
Speaker 10: cassup but as well as as like leftists or post

2583
02:17:47,879 --> 02:17:51,720
Speaker 10: left like anarchistic. Extremism but in the administration's, mind the

2584
02:17:51,720 --> 02:17:55,440
Speaker 10: previous terms for this were tainted by crackdowns on right

2585
02:17:55,440 --> 02:17:59,320
Speaker 10: wing or patriot movements After january, Sixth and like the nihilist,

2586
02:17:59,400 --> 02:18:03,120
Speaker 10: violence streamism is not replacing the term terrorism, Necessarily like

2587
02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:06,800
Speaker 10: the Way clippenstein's suggested in his, article the word terrorism

2588
02:18:06,840 --> 02:18:09,640
Speaker 10: appears frequently in these very documents that we've been. Discussing

2589
02:18:10,120 --> 02:18:13,000
Speaker 10: nor does the term terrorism have quote unquote limitations in,

2590
02:18:13,080 --> 02:18:16,440
Speaker 10: law As clippenstein said that like prevent its use in political.

2591
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:20,040
Speaker 10: Prosecution if, anything it carries kind of special powers of

2592
02:18:20,080 --> 02:18:23,279
Speaker 10: punishment which can be over applied to increase the, sentences sway,

2593
02:18:23,440 --> 02:18:27,240
Speaker 10: juries and strip. Rights we've seen bills to Label antifa

2594
02:18:27,320 --> 02:18:30,840
Speaker 10: as terrorists introduced to this, year the Whole tesla terrorism,

2595
02:18:30,879 --> 02:18:34,160
Speaker 10: thing and, historically like the use of terrorism has been

2596
02:18:34,200 --> 02:18:37,119
Speaker 10: used as a repression tool In Atlanta's Stop Cop city,

2597
02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:40,200
Speaker 10: movement which similarly has like a climate focus like you.

2598
02:18:40,280 --> 02:18:43,920
Speaker 10: Mentioned and what this new nihilism term lets them do

2599
02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:46,200
Speaker 10: is it allows The drop administration to signal to their

2600
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:48,200
Speaker 10: base that they aren't going to be going after like

2601
02:18:48,320 --> 02:18:53,000
Speaker 10: right wing malicious style groups, anymore not anti, government anti authority. Chemists,

2602
02:18:53,440 --> 02:18:55,760
Speaker 10: instead they're just going to target zany weirdos who want

2603
02:18:55,760 --> 02:18:59,120
Speaker 10: to destroy. Society it's a, looser more flexible term that

2604
02:18:59,120 --> 02:19:01,760
Speaker 10: can be applied to a much wider swath of. People

2605
02:19:02,640 --> 02:19:04,200
Speaker 10: and like the kind of final THING i want TO

2606
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:06,320
Speaker 10: i want to note here is that four groups like

2607
02:19:06,320 --> 02:19:08,600
Speaker 10: like seven six, four we really don't have a good

2608
02:19:08,640 --> 02:19:11,200
Speaker 10: term for them like sometimes some people have defended this

2609
02:19:11,280 --> 02:19:14,320
Speaker 10: nihilistic term specifically four groups like seven six, four since

2610
02:19:14,320 --> 02:19:17,080
Speaker 10: that was where it originally appeared in an industry that

2611
02:19:17,080 --> 02:19:20,760
Speaker 10: these groups kind of defy classic. Categorization some of them

2612
02:19:20,800 --> 02:19:23,120
Speaker 10: are certainly motivated by racial bias in the case Of,

2613
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:25,120
Speaker 10: cassup who's like tied WITH o AND, a but not

2614
02:19:25,120 --> 02:19:27,400
Speaker 10: specifically seven six. Four but a lot of these other

2615
02:19:27,400 --> 02:19:30,480
Speaker 10: seven six four guys who are mostly in it for the,

2616
02:19:30,520 --> 02:19:33,600
Speaker 10: pedophilia still do have anti government ideologies that they are

2617
02:19:33,680 --> 02:19:36,720
Speaker 10: roped in. With, NOW i have seen a few alternative

2618
02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:41,280
Speaker 10: terms lofted by certain independent researchers that don't really do

2619
02:19:41,320 --> 02:19:44,080
Speaker 10: a good job but are gaining influence Under trump's. Government

2620
02:19:44,480 --> 02:19:48,240
Speaker 10: there's this like freelance researcher Named becca or Bicks wrights

2621
02:19:48,600 --> 02:19:52,760
Speaker 10: who mostly operates On. Twitter she's proposed the Term satanic

2622
02:19:52,840 --> 02:19:57,360
Speaker 10: accelerationism or s act not Good and this kind of

2623
02:19:57,360 --> 02:20:00,440
Speaker 10: outlines my problems with this person's research now out because

2624
02:20:00,440 --> 02:20:03,039
Speaker 10: all of the legitimate extremism researchers have kind of moved

2625
02:20:03,080 --> 02:20:05,120
Speaker 10: away From twitter and are just On Blue. Sky, now

2626
02:20:05,160 --> 02:20:08,560
Speaker 10: people like this have like exploded in influence Under elon's

2627
02:20:09,200 --> 02:20:12,080
Speaker 10: shepherding Of, twitter and like this this person just spreads

2628
02:20:12,080 --> 02:20:15,520
Speaker 10: like satanic panic style writing that appeals to Conservative christian.

2629
02:20:15,560 --> 02:20:19,400
Speaker 10: Audiences she boasts about how many mutuals she has with

2630
02:20:19,520 --> 02:20:23,560
Speaker 10: These nazi. Terrorists she posts On, rumble she went on Info,

2631
02:20:23,560 --> 02:20:25,680
Speaker 10: wars so that kind of tells you everything you need

2632
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:28,200
Speaker 10: to know about this. Person and like a big part

2633
02:20:28,240 --> 02:20:31,400
Speaker 10: of her work is trying to downplay the right wing

2634
02:20:31,480 --> 02:20:35,600
Speaker 10: and a white supremacist influence in. Extremism she excitedly posted,

2635
02:20:35,800 --> 02:20:38,200
Speaker 10: quote THE fbi has coined a new term for this

2636
02:20:38,240 --> 02:20:41,480
Speaker 10: type of, individual nihilist bilin. Extremists this makes me so

2637
02:20:41,600 --> 02:20:44,800
Speaker 10: happy because it indicates that law enforcement are listening to

2638
02:20:44,840 --> 02:20:47,600
Speaker 10: researchers on the ground and are no longer considering these

2639
02:20:47,640 --> 02:20:52,760
Speaker 10: groups Neo nazis or quote unquote white. Supremacist so, yeah

2640
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:55,080
Speaker 10: this is a big part of this push is appealing

2641
02:20:55,120 --> 02:20:58,199
Speaker 10: to these types of people who don't want their weird

2642
02:20:58,240 --> 02:21:00,760
Speaker 10: pedo freaks to be labeled as right, wing even though

2643
02:21:00,760 --> 02:21:04,040
Speaker 10: they all are pretty far right wing terrorists in most.

2644
02:21:04,080 --> 02:21:07,879
Speaker 10: Cases this researcher also a falsely linked cast up with

2645
02:21:07,959 --> 02:21:11,879
Speaker 10: A ukrainian A nazi a group CALLED. Mku she later

2646
02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:15,600
Speaker 10: retracted this claim on, substack but left the original viral

2647
02:21:15,640 --> 02:21:20,360
Speaker 10: tweet up online Because, hey. Engagement her substack post reads.

2648
02:21:20,400 --> 02:21:22,600
Speaker 10: Quote WHEN i first heard the news Of nicota cast,

2649
02:21:22,640 --> 02:21:24,960
Speaker 10: up my mind immediately darted to another NINE a AND

2650
02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:28,280
Speaker 10: mku linked individual Named. Nicota this turned out to be

2651
02:21:28,320 --> 02:21:31,600
Speaker 10: a mere, COINCIDENCE i, know because the Other nikota reached

2652
02:21:31,640 --> 02:21:34,840
Speaker 10: out to me personally to. Clarify it's moments like these

2653
02:21:34,920 --> 02:21:36,840
Speaker 10: that cause me to reflect on just how big this

2654
02:21:36,920 --> 02:21:40,600
Speaker 10: movement really is and just how close to the FIRE i. Am.

2655
02:21:40,879 --> 02:21:43,760
Speaker 10: Unquote this is not how you do extremism. Reporting this

2656
02:21:43,800 --> 02:21:46,280
Speaker 10: is not how you do. Journalism but this does demonstrate

2657
02:21:46,320 --> 02:21:48,640
Speaker 10: kind of the problem with this term is, that, yeah

2658
02:21:48,720 --> 02:21:51,720
Speaker 10: groups like this do need a different, term maybe like,

2659
02:21:51,800 --> 02:21:55,240
Speaker 10: accelerationists violent. Acreamists that's a term you could use that

2660
02:21:55,720 --> 02:21:58,360
Speaker 10: if you're going to remove all the other. Acronyms but

2661
02:21:58,520 --> 02:22:01,080
Speaker 10: certainly the nihilism label just kind of complicates things and

2662
02:22:01,360 --> 02:22:04,480
Speaker 10: allows for the targeting of just a massive swath of

2663
02:22:04,520 --> 02:22:08,000
Speaker 10: the population that could become like political prosecutions that then

2664
02:22:08,040 --> 02:22:11,520
Speaker 10: get linked to these child sexual abast material. Cases, okay

2665
02:22:11,959 --> 02:22:16,039
Speaker 10: that is my that's my that's my. Script, Michael how

2666
02:22:16,040 --> 02:22:17,000
Speaker 10: do you feel about that?

2667
02:22:17,200 --> 02:22:17,560
Speaker 3: Info.

2668
02:22:17,680 --> 02:22:18,760
Speaker 10: Dump i'm so, sorry.

2669
02:22:18,879 --> 02:22:22,320
Speaker 3: TRULY i you know you've AND i can send it to.

2670
02:22:22,400 --> 02:22:25,080
Speaker 3: It you've extracted a part of my soul and put

2671
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:28,879
Speaker 3: it into a cosmic. Toilet, TODAY i know more Than

2672
02:22:28,920 --> 02:22:32,520
Speaker 3: i've known, before as a as a, human as An,

2673
02:22:32,560 --> 02:22:36,320
Speaker 3: american as a. Parent i'm terrified on every. Front and you,

2674
02:22:36,360 --> 02:22:40,800
Speaker 3: know my simple guy takeaway here is the, yeah like

2675
02:22:40,920 --> 02:22:44,120
Speaker 3: the idea that this is going to both let some

2676
02:22:44,240 --> 02:22:47,400
Speaker 3: of the worst folks off the, hook or at least

2677
02:22:47,480 --> 02:22:49,360
Speaker 3: make it harder to classify them with the groups that

2678
02:22:49,400 --> 02:22:52,959
Speaker 3: should be classified, with while also making it easier to

2679
02:22:53,160 --> 02:22:55,560
Speaker 3: lump in forms of what many of us would consider

2680
02:22:55,600 --> 02:23:00,680
Speaker 3: more reasonable political activism under that umbrella is quite. Bad

2681
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:04,840
Speaker 3: AND i, think of course for, me due to my

2682
02:23:04,840 --> 02:23:07,920
Speaker 3: my pet. Interest you, know all of these instances of

2683
02:23:07,959 --> 02:23:12,640
Speaker 3: continuing to, like, pervert and misuse philosophical terms to have

2684
02:23:12,680 --> 02:23:15,840
Speaker 3: meanings developed over hundreds and thousands of years for these political,

2685
02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:16,400
Speaker 3: ends it is very.

2686
02:23:16,440 --> 02:23:19,240
Speaker 10: Upset, Well i'm excited to usher in the new wave

2687
02:23:19,400 --> 02:23:23,039
Speaker 10: Of kirkergardian violent extremists who are gonna usher in.

2688
02:23:23,160 --> 02:23:24,039
Speaker 2: To get me on a.

2689
02:23:24,080 --> 02:23:24,959
Speaker 3: List stop.

2690
02:23:25,040 --> 02:23:30,040
Speaker 10: IT i am actually sorry that this went on nearly

2691
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:32,360
Speaker 10: double the length of WHICH i thought it had. Planned

2692
02:23:32,800 --> 02:23:36,720
Speaker 10: after such a depressing, Episode i'm gonna ask kind of

2693
02:23:36,760 --> 02:23:40,600
Speaker 10: an odd, question what philosophy booked do you think people

2694
02:23:40,600 --> 02:23:44,240
Speaker 10: should read in this political, Moment because a lot of

2695
02:23:44,240 --> 02:23:46,360
Speaker 10: people are approaching me with like like how DO i stay?

2696
02:23:46,400 --> 02:23:49,640
Speaker 10: Sane how DO i stay how DO i like keep

2697
02:23:49,720 --> 02:23:52,720
Speaker 10: going when things feel so? Bad and for, Me i've

2698
02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:56,240
Speaker 10: always turned to. Philosophy i've been recommending different books to different,

2699
02:23:56,240 --> 02:23:58,640
Speaker 10: friends And i'm kind of interested, in like what you

2700
02:23:58,680 --> 02:24:00,720
Speaker 10: have to say about kind of what philosophy can offer

2701
02:24:00,840 --> 02:24:03,320
Speaker 10: us in these times of like existential.

2702
02:24:03,360 --> 02:24:05,840
Speaker 3: Torment, YEAH i mean a really simple one THAT i

2703
02:24:05,879 --> 02:24:09,200
Speaker 3: talk about way too much is cure care. Guards the present,

2704
02:24:09,320 --> 02:24:11,600
Speaker 3: age which you find in this book Called Two, ages

2705
02:24:11,640 --> 02:24:13,440
Speaker 3: that's easy to. Buy it's normally really, cheap or you

2706
02:24:13,480 --> 02:24:16,640
Speaker 3: can just read it online. Someplace that kind of describes

2707
02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:21,680
Speaker 3: a society in which people get caught up in media

2708
02:24:21,720 --> 02:24:24,640
Speaker 3: and reflection and the bs they are told rather than

2709
02:24:24,680 --> 02:24:27,400
Speaker 3: developing their subjectivity for. Themselves and think that one's really.

2710
02:24:27,400 --> 02:24:30,879
Speaker 3: Great in terms of more contemporary, Stuff i've been Very

2711
02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:34,320
Speaker 3: Frederick jamison pilled recently nice AND i THINK i Mean

2712
02:24:34,360 --> 02:24:37,200
Speaker 3: i've Read jamison before on and, off but recently dove

2713
02:24:37,240 --> 02:24:40,080
Speaker 3: in more. Deeply and there's One, OKAY i have it

2714
02:24:40,080 --> 02:24:41,960
Speaker 3: at arms, reach SO i can say that the title

2715
02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:44,920
Speaker 3: correctly That i've really been. Enjoying it's called An American.

2716
02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:48,560
Speaker 3: Utopia Dual power in The Universal army By Frederick, jamison

2717
02:24:48,640 --> 02:24:52,400
Speaker 3: edited by Saw, Voygiak and it's this Large jamison essay

2718
02:24:52,480 --> 02:24:57,280
Speaker 3: about what he sees as an alternative for leftist power In,

2719
02:24:57,320 --> 02:25:00,160
Speaker 3: america responses from a bunch of other. SCHOLARS i have

2720
02:25:00,240 --> 02:25:03,600
Speaker 3: found it very. Interesting but for, me at, LEAST i

2721
02:25:03,720 --> 02:25:08,440
Speaker 3: find comfort in the fact that others have accurately diagnosed

2722
02:25:08,480 --> 02:25:11,680
Speaker 3: and understood what is happening right now and at least

2723
02:25:11,720 --> 02:25:15,280
Speaker 3: give us the tools to understand the, thing so it

2724
02:25:15,320 --> 02:25:16,640
Speaker 3: feels less nebulous and.

2725
02:25:16,680 --> 02:25:19,600
Speaker 10: Mysterious we don't have to reinvent the wheel all the. Time,

2726
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:21,720
Speaker 10: Yeah and that's something THAT i feel like some leftists

2727
02:25:21,800 --> 02:25:24,960
Speaker 10: kind of get trapped, in or it's kind of a

2728
02:25:24,959 --> 02:25:27,720
Speaker 10: two sides. Thing is what some people just get fully lost,

2729
02:25:27,760 --> 02:25:31,280
Speaker 10: in like the labyrinth of, theory and the other people

2730
02:25:31,280 --> 02:25:34,280
Speaker 10: get lost and trying to constantly reinvent or like make

2731
02:25:34,320 --> 02:25:37,080
Speaker 10: for the first time stuff that already. Exists, Right AND

2732
02:25:37,320 --> 02:25:40,360
Speaker 10: i think there's a really careful balance between like reading

2733
02:25:40,440 --> 02:25:43,800
Speaker 10: some stuff so that you can like know what's going

2734
02:25:43,840 --> 02:25:45,920
Speaker 10: on and not feel the need to try. To like

2735
02:25:45,959 --> 02:25:49,240
Speaker 10: you cause every you, know philosophical evolution to come about

2736
02:25:49,320 --> 02:25:49,959
Speaker 10: via your own.

2737
02:25:50,760 --> 02:25:53,160
Speaker 3: Thought, yeah you don't have to be the one to do.

2738
02:25:53,160 --> 02:25:54,199
Speaker 3: It someone else are you Doing.

2739
02:25:54,160 --> 02:25:55,920
Speaker 10: You're not, alone like other people have done, this and

2740
02:25:55,959 --> 02:25:58,040
Speaker 10: you should still like think for yourself and still. Compare

2741
02:25:58,280 --> 02:25:59,920
Speaker 10: but people have thought about this type of, stuff but

2742
02:26:00,080 --> 02:26:03,439
Speaker 10: for people have been in bad political situations, before and

2743
02:26:03,000 --> 02:26:06,760
Speaker 10: it's useful to know what they've. Thought and like this is,

2744
02:26:06,800 --> 02:26:09,360
Speaker 10: like you, know my work is mostly looking at like

2745
02:26:09,440 --> 02:26:11,800
Speaker 10: current events and like trying to track but like extremism

2746
02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:13,560
Speaker 10: and like what the government is, doing and you, know

2747
02:26:13,840 --> 02:26:16,959
Speaker 10: more information always helps me choose how to navigate in the.

2748
02:26:16,959 --> 02:26:19,280
Speaker 10: World that's why do episodes like. This AND i think

2749
02:26:19,280 --> 02:26:21,800
Speaker 10: philosophy is just one other side of. That unless you

2750
02:26:21,840 --> 02:26:23,760
Speaker 10: have anything else to, say do you want to talk

2751
02:26:23,800 --> 02:26:27,840
Speaker 10: about where people can find you? Online and your new YouTube?

2752
02:26:27,920 --> 02:26:33,160
Speaker 3: Channel, YEAH i have a recently launched YouTube channel that's

2753
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:36,720
Speaker 3: just under the Name michael Oh burns AND i think

2754
02:26:36,760 --> 02:26:39,800
Speaker 3: it's literally just YouTube Slash MICHAEL O burns them quickly.

2755
02:26:39,920 --> 02:26:43,560
Speaker 3: Yep YouTube Slash Michael oburns Or i'm gonna be doing

2756
02:26:43,600 --> 02:26:47,600
Speaker 3: more stuff quite, regularly extremes and video, essays largely doing

2757
02:26:47,720 --> 02:26:49,360
Speaker 3: some of the stuff we were just talking, about using

2758
02:26:49,560 --> 02:26:52,000
Speaker 3: philosophy and concepts from theory and from theory to try

2759
02:26:52,040 --> 02:26:54,640
Speaker 3: to understand what's going on in both the political and

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Speaker 3: like the social and interpersonal, Levels Like i'm working on

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Speaker 3: a Thing i'm excited about on like, depression, capitalism and mental.

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Speaker 3: Health so, yeah And i'm on all most of the

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02:27:03,720 --> 02:27:06,480
Speaker 3: social Media's i'm Just Michael burns Or MICHAEL. O, burns

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Speaker 3: relatively easy to find on most.

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Speaker 10: Places, well thank you so, Much michael for joining me

2766
02:27:12,480 --> 02:27:16,000
Speaker 10: in this dive through the darkest depths of The internet

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02:27:16,080 --> 02:27:21,840
Speaker 10: and the extremism milieu that is festering In america and.

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02:27:21,959 --> 02:27:23,440
Speaker 3: Abroad thanks for having.

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02:27:23,480 --> 02:27:45,760
Speaker 2: Me welcome to it could happen.

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02:27:45,800 --> 02:27:49,480
Speaker 1: Here I'm Robert, evans and this is a podcast about

2771
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:52,640
Speaker 1: things falling, apart which they always seem to be these,

2772
02:27:52,800 --> 02:27:56,440
Speaker 1: days and in, particular this is an episode about what

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02:27:56,560 --> 02:27:58,920
Speaker 1: to expect out of the next six months to a.

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02:27:59,000 --> 02:28:02,920
Speaker 1: Year if you're not sure what else to, do try

2775
02:28:02,959 --> 02:28:06,160
Speaker 1: and spread. CALM i first learned this lesson back in

2776
02:28:06,200 --> 02:28:10,600
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen hanging out with Perennial libertarian presidential Candidate Vermin

2777
02:28:10,680 --> 02:28:14,440
Speaker 1: supreme during the protests around that Year's Democratic invention In.

2778
02:28:14,480 --> 02:28:17,920
Speaker 1: Philadelphia if you've never had the pleasure of Seeing vermin

2779
02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:21,120
Speaker 1: at a, protest he's essentially a rodeo clown for riot,

2780
02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:23,800
Speaker 1: cops and his example taught me a lot about how

2781
02:28:23,800 --> 02:28:27,000
Speaker 1: to communicate to a group of, angry scared people in tense.

2782
02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:31,039
Speaker 1: Situations those lessons came in handy for me back in twenty.

2783
02:28:31,080 --> 02:28:34,920
Speaker 1: Twenty but The George Floyd uprising is now almost five

2784
02:28:35,000 --> 02:28:38,039
Speaker 1: years in the. Past trump is once again in. Power

2785
02:28:38,520 --> 02:28:41,320
Speaker 1: very little seems to stand between him and the exercise

2786
02:28:41,360 --> 02:28:44,959
Speaker 1: of a kind of, arbitrary dictatorial violence that this nation

2787
02:28:45,080 --> 02:28:48,840
Speaker 1: has seldom seen within its own, borders but as often sponsored,

2788
02:28:48,840 --> 02:28:52,520
Speaker 1: elsewhere Including El, salvador Where trump has sent hundreds Of

2789
02:28:52,560 --> 02:28:56,800
Speaker 1: american residents and plans to send, thousands perhaps tens of thousands.

2790
02:28:56,840 --> 02:29:00,240
Speaker 1: More the purpose of this essay is to provide my

2791
02:29:00,280 --> 02:29:03,120
Speaker 1: predictions for the next six months to a. Year What

2792
02:29:03,200 --> 02:29:06,039
Speaker 1: i'm writing here is, speculative but it is based on

2793
02:29:06,120 --> 02:29:09,360
Speaker 1: the best DATA i have available and numerous Conversations i've

2794
02:29:09,360 --> 02:29:14,120
Speaker 1: had with activists current federal, employees former, soldiers and retired law.

2795
02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:17,600
Speaker 1: Enforcement there are a million places WHERE i could, start

2796
02:29:17,680 --> 02:29:20,200
Speaker 1: BUT i feel like the most responsible place to begin

2797
02:29:20,560 --> 02:29:23,959
Speaker 1: is by answering this, question is now the time to?

2798
02:29:24,040 --> 02:29:29,039
Speaker 1: Panic last, year After biden's disastrous debate, PERFORMANCE i put

2799
02:29:29,080 --> 02:29:32,520
Speaker 1: out a podcast essay Titled Don't. Panic it was my

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02:29:32,680 --> 02:29:36,200
Speaker 1: most shared episode of this podcast that, year AND i

2801
02:29:36,280 --> 02:29:39,680
Speaker 1: felt pretty good about the response Until trump won, again

2802
02:29:39,760 --> 02:29:42,119
Speaker 1: AND i found it briefly impossible to take my own.

2803
02:29:42,200 --> 02:29:46,480
Speaker 1: Advice Since january of twenty twenty, five the fascist takeover

2804
02:29:46,560 --> 02:29:49,400
Speaker 1: has only, accelerated AND i have lost count of the

2805
02:29:49,480 --> 02:29:52,080
Speaker 1: number of people who've asked, me is it time to?

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02:29:52,160 --> 02:29:56,039
Speaker 1: Panic the answer to that is still, no but not

2807
02:29:56,160 --> 02:29:59,320
Speaker 1: because there's no reason to. Panic in, fact panic is

2808
02:29:59,360 --> 02:30:02,800
Speaker 1: a natural reaction to our present. Moment if your fight

2809
02:30:02,920 --> 02:30:06,480
Speaker 1: or flight reflexes haven't been, triggered well they might be.

2810
02:30:06,560 --> 02:30:12,200
Speaker 1: Broken even, so don't, panic because in combat and, disasters

2811
02:30:12,240 --> 02:30:16,520
Speaker 1: in any dangerous situation you might find yourself panic is

2812
02:30:16,520 --> 02:30:20,040
Speaker 1: what will kill you as surely as anything. Else there's

2813
02:30:20,080 --> 02:30:23,400
Speaker 1: a concept in military THEORY i bring up, often something

2814
02:30:23,480 --> 02:30:27,280
Speaker 1: introduced to soldiers undergoing training. Today it's called the ode.

2815
02:30:27,360 --> 02:30:31,199
Speaker 1: Loop it describes the process people go through while acting

2816
02:30:31,240 --> 02:30:35,160
Speaker 1: and reacting under, fire and particularly while deciding how to

2817
02:30:35,320 --> 02:30:39,880
Speaker 1: act and react under. Fire it stands for, observe, orient,

2818
02:30:40,120 --> 02:30:43,760
Speaker 1: decide and. Act if you can interrupt any part of that,

2819
02:30:43,840 --> 02:30:46,879
Speaker 1: loop you can stop your enemy from fighting back. Effectively

2820
02:30:47,440 --> 02:30:50,360
Speaker 1: the basic principle of THE oda loop functions on the

2821
02:30:50,360 --> 02:30:52,760
Speaker 1: grand strategy scale as well as it does in a.

2822
02:30:52,760 --> 02:30:56,320
Speaker 1: Gunfight this is the point behind the flood the zone,

2823
02:30:56,360 --> 02:30:59,920
Speaker 1: strategy orchestrated By Stephen miller and the other intellectual loom

2824
02:31:00,040 --> 02:31:03,840
Speaker 1: and aaries Behind trump. Too the fire hose of outrage

2825
02:31:03,879 --> 02:31:07,039
Speaker 1: is to distract you from observing everything that's, happening to

2826
02:31:07,120 --> 02:31:10,520
Speaker 1: keep you off balance so you can't orient, yourself to

2827
02:31:10,600 --> 02:31:15,080
Speaker 1: stop you from deciding and. Acting Elon musk's purchase Of

2828
02:31:15,120 --> 02:31:19,360
Speaker 1: twitter helped to supercharge the bullshit. CANON ai accelerated the

2829
02:31:19,400 --> 02:31:22,640
Speaker 1: spread of lies on social media beyond all of our worst,

2830
02:31:22,760 --> 02:31:26,600
Speaker 1: nightmares and this has helped blind and divide the people

2831
02:31:26,640 --> 02:31:29,440
Speaker 1: who should have linked arms to stop this shit before

2832
02:31:29,480 --> 02:31:32,080
Speaker 1: it got to the point that it's at. TODAY i

2833
02:31:32,120 --> 02:31:34,440
Speaker 1: want you to think of how many prominent leftists have

2834
02:31:34,480 --> 02:31:38,080
Speaker 1: fallen repeatedly for right wing propaganda like. That russia would

2835
02:31:38,120 --> 02:31:41,680
Speaker 1: never Invade, ukraine or That trump might actually be somehow

2836
02:31:41,720 --> 02:31:45,200
Speaker 1: better For. Gaza these and a million other things have

2837
02:31:45,280 --> 02:31:49,120
Speaker 1: blinded and hobbled potential. RESISTANCE i might also bring up

2838
02:31:49,160 --> 02:31:51,920
Speaker 1: the Whole maga communist, movement but the less set about those,

2839
02:31:51,959 --> 02:31:56,720
Speaker 1: people the. Better, meanwhile columnists at liberal legacy publications Like

2840
02:31:56,760 --> 02:31:59,360
Speaker 1: The times have fallen for every hyped up story about

2841
02:31:59,400 --> 02:32:03,120
Speaker 1: transgender athletes or woke kids on college, campuses and the

2842
02:32:03,200 --> 02:32:06,720
Speaker 1: danger of the illiberal left poses to free. Speech they've

2843
02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:10,520
Speaker 1: denied genocide and demonized those who protest against, it and

2844
02:32:10,600 --> 02:32:13,360
Speaker 1: too many Elected democrats have taken their lead as the

2845
02:32:13,400 --> 02:32:17,360
Speaker 1: path of least. Resistance many have pulled right for reasons

2846
02:32:17,400 --> 02:32:20,680
Speaker 1: far more. Sinister the fact That Gavin, newsom governor Of,

2847
02:32:20,720 --> 02:32:24,760
Speaker 1: california is hosting fascists on his new podcasts while mailing

2848
02:32:24,800 --> 02:32:29,279
Speaker 1: burner phones to tech CEOs points towards something, dark, immediate.

2849
02:32:29,840 --> 02:32:34,199
Speaker 1: Deadly we live now in the culmination of a successful

2850
02:32:34,400 --> 02:32:37,480
Speaker 1: decades long plot, two in the words Of Curtis, jarvin

2851
02:32:37,840 --> 02:32:41,120
Speaker 1: repeal the twentieth century and turn this nation into a

2852
02:32:41,160 --> 02:32:45,520
Speaker 1: dictatorship where our lives and our collective national arsenal are

2853
02:32:45,560 --> 02:32:48,800
Speaker 1: the personal property of some dudes who inherited oil money

2854
02:32:49,080 --> 02:32:51,680
Speaker 1: or invested In facebook back in like two thousand and.

2855
02:32:51,680 --> 02:32:55,400
Speaker 1: Five the early stages of the, plan of, course date

2856
02:32:55,480 --> 02:32:58,640
Speaker 1: back well Before Peter tiele Or Elon musk Or Donald

2857
02:32:58,720 --> 02:33:02,400
Speaker 1: trump begin and when a coalition of would be oligarchs

2858
02:33:02,440 --> 02:33:05,120
Speaker 1: tried to OVERTHROW fdr in what has become known as

2859
02:33:05,160 --> 02:33:07,920
Speaker 1: The Business, plot and were thwarted by A marine general

2860
02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:11,600
Speaker 1: Named Smedley. Butler these men wanted revenge for The New,

2861
02:33:11,640 --> 02:33:14,720
Speaker 1: deal but they found seizing power at the top harder

2862
02:33:14,720 --> 02:33:17,920
Speaker 1: than they'd, hoped and so they embarked on a, slower

2863
02:33:18,320 --> 02:33:22,560
Speaker 1: bottom up. Approach hence The John Birch, society the creation

2864
02:33:22,680 --> 02:33:25,600
Speaker 1: of countless think, tanks and the generation's long effort to

2865
02:33:25,640 --> 02:33:28,800
Speaker 1: stack The Supreme. Court the war on abortion was a

2866
02:33:28,840 --> 02:33:32,879
Speaker 1: concerted step towards this, plan an artificial creation alongside the

2867
02:33:32,920 --> 02:33:36,760
Speaker 1: birth of the religious right as a political. Coalition there

2868
02:33:36,840 --> 02:33:39,120
Speaker 1: was initially a small group of men at the center

2869
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:42,440
Speaker 1: of the, web guys Like William Brignery won And William

2870
02:33:42,440 --> 02:33:46,760
Speaker 1: Brignery doo Or Paul. Wayrich but the engine of cultural

2871
02:33:46,760 --> 02:33:49,440
Speaker 1: and political change forged from the late forties to the

2872
02:33:49,520 --> 02:33:52,480
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies was so successful that at some point it

2873
02:33:52,520 --> 02:33:55,840
Speaker 1: became self, perpetuating and when a gaggle of tech bros

2874
02:33:55,879 --> 02:33:58,400
Speaker 1: found themselves with more wealth than any humans had ever,

2875
02:33:58,440 --> 02:34:01,640
Speaker 1: held the machine was there to mold them and to

2876
02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:04,760
Speaker 1: be used by. Them it's all worked so damn well

2877
02:34:04,800 --> 02:34:07,520
Speaker 1: that many PEOPLE i know have lost hope. Entirely we're,

2878
02:34:07,560 --> 02:34:10,080
Speaker 1: fucked goes the. Script they're gonna send us to the,

2879
02:34:10,160 --> 02:34:13,879
Speaker 1: camps and they can't be, stopped at least not without apocalyptic.

2880
02:34:13,920 --> 02:34:18,959
Speaker 1: Bloodshed well that's not necessarily. So now people have already

2881
02:34:19,000 --> 02:34:21,560
Speaker 1: died as a result of this, administration a lot of,

2882
02:34:21,600 --> 02:34:25,199
Speaker 1: them and that will continue to. Happen but a collapse

2883
02:34:25,240 --> 02:34:28,760
Speaker 1: into total carnage is not, inevitable nor is a future

2884
02:34:28,800 --> 02:34:30,119
Speaker 1: that offers us nothing but a.

2885
02:34:30,080 --> 02:34:30,840
Speaker 2: Boot upon our.

2886
02:34:30,920 --> 02:34:34,120
Speaker 1: Necks despite the money that went into building this is

2887
02:34:34,160 --> 02:34:37,000
Speaker 1: a new house made with cheap, materials and there are

2888
02:34:37,080 --> 02:34:40,760
Speaker 1: already cracks in the. Foundation so my first prediction for

2889
02:34:40,800 --> 02:34:45,039
Speaker 1: the coming months is, This the cracks will, widen and

2890
02:34:45,080 --> 02:34:48,200
Speaker 1: we'll talk about, that but, first as we're obligated to,

2891
02:34:48,280 --> 02:35:01,720
Speaker 1: do here's some. Ads trump and the men who swim

2892
02:35:01,760 --> 02:35:05,200
Speaker 1: in his wake signal only. Strength honesty is neither in

2893
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:08,320
Speaker 1: their interest nor a strong. Suit But Curtis, yarvin chief

2894
02:35:08,360 --> 02:35:11,720
Speaker 1: profit of the Neo reactionaries And Peter teel's pet, philosopher

2895
02:35:12,200 --> 02:35:15,000
Speaker 1: is in a different. Position he knows people in power

2896
02:35:15,120 --> 02:35:17,120
Speaker 1: listen to some of what he has to, say and

2897
02:35:17,200 --> 02:35:20,320
Speaker 1: over the last few months his profile has risen. ENORMOUSLY

2898
02:35:20,760 --> 02:35:22,959
Speaker 1: i can take credit for at least tiny amount of.

2899
02:35:22,959 --> 02:35:27,039
Speaker 1: That many normal liberals and Elected democrats now know who he.

2900
02:35:27,320 --> 02:35:30,600
Speaker 1: Is this exposes him to a danger that was not

2901
02:35:30,720 --> 02:35:33,959
Speaker 1: present for him During trump's first. Term if the current

2902
02:35:34,000 --> 02:35:37,000
Speaker 1: fascist salience should be pushed back and this movement, fails

2903
02:35:37,560 --> 02:35:41,640
Speaker 1: there could be and should be, Prosecutions and he rightly

2904
02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:43,760
Speaker 1: fears that if this, happens he might follow in the

2905
02:35:43,760 --> 02:35:47,760
Speaker 1: footsteps Of Alfred, rosenberg The nazi high theoretician who was

2906
02:35:47,840 --> 02:35:52,000
Speaker 1: executed At. Nuremberg that's why On march sixth he published

2907
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:56,080
Speaker 1: a messi, sprawling seven thousand word essay Titled barbarians And

2908
02:35:56,160 --> 02:36:00,800
Speaker 1: mandarins in his trademark nigh unreadable. Style it comes with the.

2909
02:36:00,840 --> 02:36:04,680
Speaker 1: Subheading as soon as it stops, accelerating it stalls and.

2910
02:36:04,800 --> 02:36:08,240
Speaker 1: Explodes if you want to spare yourself the headache of

2911
02:36:08,320 --> 02:36:11,680
Speaker 1: reading through one tenth of a novel of yarvins at

2912
02:36:11,760 --> 02:36:14,879
Speaker 1: best turgid. Prose there's a good article by the Nerd

2913
02:36:14,920 --> 02:36:17,480
Speaker 1: reich that breaks all this. Down we'll link it in

2914
02:36:17,520 --> 02:36:20,760
Speaker 1: the show, notes but the gist is That yarvin Thinks

2915
02:36:20,879 --> 02:36:23,720
Speaker 1: musk And trump have been too, slow have embraced too

2916
02:36:23,800 --> 02:36:28,640
Speaker 1: many half, measures and the whole authoritarian project is careening towards. Disaster.

2917
02:36:29,240 --> 02:36:33,480
Speaker 1: Quote unless the spectacular earthquakes Of january And february are

2918
02:36:33,560 --> 02:36:36,520
Speaker 1: dwarfed In march And april by new and unprecedented abuses

2919
02:36:36,520 --> 02:36:39,120
Speaker 1: of The richter, scale The trump regime will start to

2920
02:36:39,160 --> 02:36:42,680
Speaker 1: wither and eventually. Dissipate it cannot stay at its current

2921
02:36:42,760 --> 02:36:45,000
Speaker 1: level of, power which is too high to sustain but

2922
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:48,280
Speaker 1: too low to. Succeed it has to keep doing things

2923
02:36:48,360 --> 02:36:51,000
Speaker 1: that have never been done. Before as soon as it stops,

2924
02:36:51,040 --> 02:36:55,760
Speaker 1: accelerating it stalls and. Explodes now the week's since have

2925
02:36:55,920 --> 02:36:59,600
Speaker 1: seen massive and rising public awareness Of seacott the terrorism

2926
02:36:59,640 --> 02:37:02,240
Speaker 1: TO tenh facility In El salvador being used as a

2927
02:37:02,280 --> 02:37:06,000
Speaker 1: concentration camp by The trump. Regime this might rightly be

2928
02:37:06,080 --> 02:37:09,560
Speaker 1: called a new and unprecedented. Abuse but there's a couple

2929
02:37:09,600 --> 02:37:11,720
Speaker 1: of issues, Here at least as far As yarvin sees.

2930
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:14,880
Speaker 1: Them for one, thing the people targeted there have been,

2931
02:37:15,840 --> 02:37:19,600
Speaker 1: migrants people who are in THE us either illegally or

2932
02:37:19,600 --> 02:37:22,120
Speaker 1: in THE us on visas that have been, revoked people

2933
02:37:22,160 --> 02:37:25,160
Speaker 1: who have been accused of being part Of, trindagua but

2934
02:37:25,680 --> 02:37:29,000
Speaker 1: not the people That yarvin wants to see, liquidated, because

2935
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:31,680
Speaker 1: as he writes in this, column the thing that he

2936
02:37:31,760 --> 02:37:34,600
Speaker 1: thinks The trump administration should be doing right now is

2937
02:37:34,959 --> 02:37:39,920
Speaker 1: quite literally gassing media personalities and politicians who don't align

2938
02:37:39,959 --> 02:37:44,560
Speaker 1: with his, viewpoint basically literally killing the. Opposition and since

2939
02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:47,039
Speaker 1: he's shown to be unwilling to do, that the fact

2940
02:37:47,080 --> 02:37:50,320
Speaker 1: that he's shipping people to concentration camps on its own

2941
02:37:50,600 --> 02:37:54,720
Speaker 1: isn't terrifying. Enough, now the other thing that's Concerning yarvin

2942
02:37:55,200 --> 02:37:58,080
Speaker 1: is that while the use of this facility In El

2943
02:37:58,160 --> 02:38:01,320
Speaker 1: salvador as a foreign concentration camp by The trump regime

2944
02:38:01,480 --> 02:38:05,840
Speaker 1: is terrifying and is, unprecedented it's also been met with

2945
02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:10,400
Speaker 1: a significant, response one that burges on unprecedented. Itself i'm

2946
02:38:10,440 --> 02:38:13,000
Speaker 1: not just talking about the protests or of the Recent

2947
02:38:13,040 --> 02:38:16,839
Speaker 1: Supreme court ruling ordering a temporary halt of such. Deportations

2948
02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:19,680
Speaker 1: i'm referring to something else that's happened due to the

2949
02:38:19,720 --> 02:38:22,720
Speaker 1: sheer panic caused by the knowledge that our president has

2950
02:38:22,760 --> 02:38:26,600
Speaker 1: a concentration camp and has been talking about SHIPPING us

2951
02:38:26,640 --> 02:38:30,240
Speaker 1: citizen dissidents. There i'm talking about stuff like the fact

2952
02:38:30,280 --> 02:38:33,640
Speaker 1: that formerly conservative Columnist Bill crystal is now calling for

2953
02:38:33,680 --> 02:38:37,760
Speaker 1: the outright abolition Of, ice and the arch Neoliberal Mealymouth

2954
02:38:37,879 --> 02:38:40,560
Speaker 1: David brooks calling for a general strike in the pages

2955
02:38:40,600 --> 02:38:43,279
Speaker 1: of The New York times while quoting from The Communist.

2956
02:38:43,320 --> 02:38:46,959
Speaker 1: Manifesto this is more than just a vibe. Shift it's

2957
02:38:46,959 --> 02:38:50,520
Speaker 1: an open realization and acceptance by prominent people who are

2958
02:38:50,560 --> 02:38:55,320
Speaker 1: neither radical nor revolutionaries that any, action even the formerly,

2959
02:38:55,400 --> 02:39:01,320
Speaker 1: unimaginable might be necessary and justified in this. Region, now

2960
02:39:01,520 --> 02:39:04,400
Speaker 1: make no. Mistake first, off this is because a lot

2961
02:39:04,400 --> 02:39:07,800
Speaker 1: of these people are worried about their own privileges going

2962
02:39:07,840 --> 02:39:11,760
Speaker 1: away under a dictatorial. Regime but that doesn't change the

2963
02:39:11,800 --> 02:39:14,840
Speaker 1: fact that this is a crack in the very foundation

2964
02:39:15,000 --> 02:39:19,040
Speaker 1: of the authoritarian power. Structure yarvin is scared, then because

2965
02:39:19,080 --> 02:39:22,360
Speaker 1: we weren't supposed to be here. Now harvard was supposed

2966
02:39:22,360 --> 02:39:25,040
Speaker 1: to have folded Like columbia and then have been slowly

2967
02:39:25,080 --> 02:39:28,560
Speaker 1: and quietly. Liquidated the tame press was supposed to turn

2968
02:39:28,600 --> 02:39:31,680
Speaker 1: wholly for the regime or be, disappeared not Quote Karl

2969
02:39:31,720 --> 02:39:34,480
Speaker 1: marx and urge people into the streets to do a general.

2970
02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:37,640
Speaker 1: Strike SO i don't find all this cheery BECAUSE i

2971
02:39:37,640 --> 02:39:40,600
Speaker 1: Think David brooks is going to become Shithead Shay. GUEVARA

2972
02:39:41,240 --> 02:39:44,320
Speaker 1: i am, embraced, however by the failure that this represents

2973
02:39:44,320 --> 02:39:47,800
Speaker 1: for them and above us who seek unchecked. Dominance cracks

2974
02:39:47,840 --> 02:39:50,520
Speaker 1: are also visible in the recent history Of Elon, musk

2975
02:39:50,720 --> 02:39:53,120
Speaker 1: who has watched the value of the stock that underpins

2976
02:39:53,120 --> 02:39:57,039
Speaker 1: his whole empire. Collapse he fought desperately to Convince trump

2977
02:39:57,160 --> 02:39:59,520
Speaker 1: not to go through with the tariffs that would punish it.

2978
02:39:59,600 --> 02:40:03,199
Speaker 1: Further the result we See trump assuring his inner circle

2979
02:40:03,200 --> 02:40:05,800
Speaker 1: That elon is on the way, out While musk himself

2980
02:40:05,840 --> 02:40:08,080
Speaker 1: prepares to step back from doge in the hope that

2981
02:40:08,120 --> 02:40:11,960
Speaker 1: it will somehow protect the remainder of his. Ambitions these

2982
02:40:11,959 --> 02:40:15,279
Speaker 1: are all good, signs and the damage will continue to. Spread,

2983
02:40:16,080 --> 02:40:19,480
Speaker 1: however and this brings me to my next. Prediction The

2984
02:40:19,520 --> 02:40:23,360
Speaker 1: empire's gonna strike. Back we are in for a hot,

2985
02:40:23,400 --> 02:40:26,000
Speaker 1: summer my, friends and there's no way around. THAT i

2986
02:40:26,040 --> 02:40:28,160
Speaker 1: mean this in the literal, sense that it will probably

2987
02:40:28,240 --> 02:40:30,800
Speaker 1: be the hottest summer on, record although that fact will

2988
02:40:30,840 --> 02:40:33,840
Speaker 1: be true of every subsequent summer in our. Lives BUT

2989
02:40:33,920 --> 02:40:35,520
Speaker 1: i also mean this in the sense that things are

2990
02:40:35,520 --> 02:40:38,119
Speaker 1: going to cook off in the streets very. Soon this

2991
02:40:38,160 --> 02:40:40,879
Speaker 1: is something the administration has quite openly been waiting to.

2992
02:40:40,959 --> 02:40:43,720
Speaker 1: See trump has made no secret of his desire to

2993
02:40:43,760 --> 02:40:46,600
Speaker 1: use The Insurrection act not only at the, border but

2994
02:40:46,680 --> 02:40:49,680
Speaker 1: to SEND us troops INTO us cities to crush riots

2995
02:40:49,680 --> 02:40:53,400
Speaker 1: and punish leftist. Demonstrators this was a desire hatched in

2996
02:40:53,480 --> 02:40:56,440
Speaker 1: reaction to The George floyd, uprising and it always seems

2997
02:40:56,480 --> 02:40:59,080
Speaker 1: to be envisioned by the right as targeted against black

2998
02:40:59,120 --> 02:41:03,879
Speaker 1: clad antifa. Types the reality is that anti fascists have

2999
02:41:04,000 --> 02:41:06,200
Speaker 1: not been a consistent presence on the ground around the

3000
02:41:06,200 --> 02:41:08,640
Speaker 1: country for some, time at least not organizing in the

3001
02:41:08,640 --> 02:41:11,160
Speaker 1: way that they were back when antifa was a. Buzzword

3002
02:41:11,480 --> 02:41:13,920
Speaker 1: there are numerous reasons for, this but the biggest is

3003
02:41:13,920 --> 02:41:17,160
Speaker 1: that the fascist movement has moved beyond waving flags in

3004
02:41:17,200 --> 02:41:19,600
Speaker 1: the street and getting into fist fights to try and scare.

3005
02:41:19,640 --> 02:41:22,760
Speaker 1: PEOPLE a lot of them are running federal law enforcement

3006
02:41:22,800 --> 02:41:26,160
Speaker 1: agencies in the. Military now Proud boys just tain't a,

3007
02:41:26,200 --> 02:41:29,040
Speaker 1: priority not for those on the left who want to stop,

3008
02:41:29,080 --> 02:41:33,760
Speaker 1: this or frankly for the. ADMINISTRATION i expect protests around

3009
02:41:33,760 --> 02:41:36,160
Speaker 1: the country in the coming months for several, reasons but

3010
02:41:36,200 --> 02:41:39,120
Speaker 1: the likeliest event to provoke severe civil disruption has a

3011
02:41:39,200 --> 02:41:42,360
Speaker 1: rise in food, prices in the rise of everything else in,

3012
02:41:42,440 --> 02:41:46,120
Speaker 1: price as well as a collapsing economy courtesy of the president's.

3013
02:41:46,160 --> 02:41:49,720
Speaker 1: Tariffs there are already numerous signs of, this both in

3014
02:41:49,800 --> 02:41:52,480
Speaker 1: terms of the volume of shipping coming into The United

3015
02:41:52,520 --> 02:41:56,520
Speaker 1: states and early signs of collapsing crop yields in The United.

3016
02:41:56,560 --> 02:41:59,440
Speaker 1: States and this is where a study of history helps one,

3017
02:41:59,440 --> 02:42:03,959
Speaker 1: out because nothing but nothing brings down regimes like rising bread,

3018
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:07,560
Speaker 1: prizes and any attempt to crack down will be stymy

3019
02:42:07,640 --> 02:42:09,680
Speaker 1: by the fact that a decent chunk of the elites

3020
02:42:09,920 --> 02:42:14,320
Speaker 1: who Backed trump before will be suffering. Too, obviously the

3021
02:42:14,320 --> 02:42:17,039
Speaker 1: people closest to him are making bank off the economic

3022
02:42:17,200 --> 02:42:20,880
Speaker 1: upswings and downswings over the whole teriff. Issue but there's

3023
02:42:20,879 --> 02:42:23,440
Speaker 1: a lot of other, people people who supported, him people

3024
02:42:23,440 --> 02:42:25,720
Speaker 1: who thought he had their, back who weren't quite close

3025
02:42:25,800 --> 02:42:28,520
Speaker 1: enough to, power and they're Watching trump shoot their own

3026
02:42:28,560 --> 02:42:31,920
Speaker 1: fortunes in the kneecap because they built their money on free.

3027
02:42:31,959 --> 02:42:35,160
Speaker 1: TRADE i won't pretend to know where things are gonna

3028
02:42:35,200 --> 02:42:38,000
Speaker 1: pop off or will be the, hottest but the evidence

3029
02:42:38,000 --> 02:42:40,879
Speaker 1: shows the regime at least Expects, washington D C to

3030
02:42:40,879 --> 02:42:44,520
Speaker 1: play a central role in what comes. Next Republican congress

3031
02:42:44,520 --> 02:42:48,280
Speaker 1: members recently reintroduced a bill to repeal DC's self, rule

3032
02:42:48,600 --> 02:42:51,520
Speaker 1: And trump Appointed Ed martin to be the city, attorney

3033
02:42:51,800 --> 02:42:54,320
Speaker 1: a man, who in the words OF Usa today Columnist

3034
02:42:54,400 --> 02:42:59,600
Speaker 1: Chris brennan, quote lacks experience but loves. Revenge, now the

3035
02:42:59,640 --> 02:43:02,200
Speaker 1: fact That Elon musk and His doze cronies left so

3036
02:43:02,320 --> 02:43:05,120
Speaker 1: many in the city and the surrounding area unemployed after

3037
02:43:05,160 --> 02:43:08,160
Speaker 1: their purge of the administrative state means that there's an

3038
02:43:08,200 --> 02:43:11,760
Speaker 1: even higher number of, motivated angry people with free time

3039
02:43:11,840 --> 02:43:16,520
Speaker 1: and experiencing organizing, large complex systems who have nothing to

3040
02:43:16,600 --> 02:43:20,320
Speaker 1: do right. NOW a similar set of circumstances brought us

3041
02:43:20,320 --> 02:43:22,959
Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty. Uprisings this was not just a

3042
02:43:23,000 --> 02:43:25,360
Speaker 1: product of the months of isolation or of the brutality

3043
02:43:25,360 --> 02:43:28,120
Speaker 1: Of George floyd's, murder but of the sheer number of

3044
02:43:28,160 --> 02:43:30,720
Speaker 1: people who were out of work and who were finally

3045
02:43:30,760 --> 02:43:33,240
Speaker 1: given a chance to take out their anxiety at an

3046
02:43:33,280 --> 02:43:38,240
Speaker 1: authoritarian president tightening his. Grip and today that grip is

3047
02:43:38,280 --> 02:43:41,200
Speaker 1: even tighter and the danger more. Real we have a

3048
02:43:41,240 --> 02:43:44,720
Speaker 1: president openly discussing his desire to Put american citizens in

3049
02:43:44,760 --> 02:43:48,520
Speaker 1: a foreign concentration. Camp trump and his inner circle are

3050
02:43:48,520 --> 02:43:51,800
Speaker 1: hoping for protests that stay isolated TO dc and perhaps

3051
02:43:51,840 --> 02:43:55,280
Speaker 1: a few major blue, Cities portland and the. Like this

3052
02:43:55,320 --> 02:43:58,120
Speaker 1: would provide an opportunity to send in the, troops to

3053
02:43:58,240 --> 02:44:01,119
Speaker 1: utilize The Insurrection act to s people in the, street

3054
02:44:01,320 --> 02:44:04,080
Speaker 1: and to send some ring leaders off to L. Salvador

3055
02:44:04,840 --> 02:44:07,120
Speaker 1: this would be the riskiest option For trump in some.

3056
02:44:07,240 --> 02:44:10,520
Speaker 1: Ways Pete hegseth has not been a competent or Popular

3057
02:44:10,600 --> 02:44:13,280
Speaker 1: secretary Of, defense and ASKING us troops to fire on

3058
02:44:13,360 --> 02:44:16,959
Speaker 1: protesters opens up the risk that some junior officer might

3059
02:44:17,040 --> 02:44:20,400
Speaker 1: bulk at that, order which could create a cascading chain of.

3060
02:44:20,440 --> 02:44:25,080
Speaker 1: Disobedience such things have sparked rapid collapse in other dictatorships throughout.

3061
02:44:25,120 --> 02:44:27,080
Speaker 2: History there's also the.

3062
02:44:27,080 --> 02:44:30,760
Speaker 1: Chance that spectacular and comprehensive violence by the military might

3063
02:44:30,840 --> 02:44:34,359
Speaker 1: succeed and thus strangle any protest movement in the. Cradle

3064
02:44:34,959 --> 02:44:37,520
Speaker 1: so we might call this the high risk high reward,

3065
02:44:37,640 --> 02:44:40,320
Speaker 1: option AND i should note That Donald trump has more

3066
02:44:40,320 --> 02:44:43,160
Speaker 1: than a few times in the past chosen the high,

3067
02:44:43,280 --> 02:44:46,760
Speaker 1: risk high reward, option SO i don't consider this. Unlikely

3068
02:44:47,400 --> 02:44:49,760
Speaker 1: but it won't be lost On trump or his cronies

3069
02:44:49,840 --> 02:44:52,279
Speaker 1: that the violence which met the first protest in twenty

3070
02:44:52,320 --> 02:44:56,400
Speaker 1: twenty provoke the largest domestic uprising and living. Memory people

3071
02:44:56,400 --> 02:44:59,080
Speaker 1: have not forgotten, this and some blue State democrats have

3072
02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:03,120
Speaker 1: even made let's, say confusing noises to that. Effect case in,

3073
02:45:03,200 --> 02:45:06,400
Speaker 1: Point Governor Bob ferguson Of washington just signed a bill

3074
02:45:06,520 --> 02:45:10,040
Speaker 1: barring other State National guard units from Entering washington without

3075
02:45:10,040 --> 02:45:14,080
Speaker 1: his approval unless they were mobilized by The. President, now

3076
02:45:14,480 --> 02:45:16,160
Speaker 1: as that last part might key you when, on this

3077
02:45:16,160 --> 02:45:18,360
Speaker 1: bill doesn't have a lot of legal force or any

3078
02:45:18,480 --> 02:45:21,200
Speaker 1: really at, all but it's a sign that even fairly

3079
02:45:21,280 --> 02:45:24,480
Speaker 1: milk toast Elected democrats are starting to consider the real

3080
02:45:24,520 --> 02:45:28,680
Speaker 1: possibility of a federal invasion of their. States The president

3081
02:45:28,760 --> 02:45:31,400
Speaker 1: has discussed sending out of state troops into blue cities,

3082
02:45:31,440 --> 02:45:34,800
Speaker 1: before largely in the context of cracking down on immigration

3083
02:45:34,879 --> 02:45:38,960
Speaker 1: and sanctuary. Cities this is all dangerous, language but going

3084
02:45:39,080 --> 02:45:42,480
Speaker 1: further than just language carries risk for the regime. TOO

3085
02:45:42,600 --> 02:45:44,560
Speaker 1: i would not be shocked if we were to see

3086
02:45:44,600 --> 02:45:49,120
Speaker 1: The Texas National guard or, whoever whichever state occupying let's Say,

3087
02:45:49,320 --> 02:45:52,840
Speaker 1: chicago after federal law enforcement makes good on the threats

3088
02:45:52,840 --> 02:45:55,240
Speaker 1: that have been made by members of The trump administration

3089
02:45:55,360 --> 02:45:59,640
Speaker 1: to arrest governors who aid in a bet undocumented migrants LIKE. Jb,

3090
02:45:59,640 --> 02:46:02,920
Speaker 1: Pritzker and an act like that would surely spark mass

3091
02:46:02,959 --> 02:46:07,120
Speaker 1: protests In chicago and very likely. Elsewhere the fact that

3092
02:46:07,240 --> 02:46:09,959
Speaker 1: a move like that would have such a risk of

3093
02:46:10,080 --> 02:46:14,200
Speaker 1: sparking mass, resistance as well as further legal, challenges might

3094
02:46:14,280 --> 02:46:18,199
Speaker 1: keep The trump administration focused on smaller fish and less dangerous,

3095
02:46:18,200 --> 02:46:21,240
Speaker 1: outrages at least for the time. Being and if that's

3096
02:46:21,280 --> 02:46:24,480
Speaker 1: the route they, CHOOSE i think something different might be.

3097
02:46:24,680 --> 02:46:28,279
Speaker 1: Likely AND i call this potential path forward the pressure,

3098
02:46:28,320 --> 02:46:32,480
Speaker 1: cooker and we'll talk about, that but, first here's more.

3099
02:46:32,520 --> 02:46:46,520
Speaker 1: Ads when public unrest exploded in twenty, twenty it did

3100
02:46:46,560 --> 02:46:49,800
Speaker 1: so after four solid years of build. Up if you'll,

3101
02:46:49,840 --> 02:46:53,600
Speaker 1: remember the earliest fascist anti fascist street clashes of that,

3102
02:46:53,680 --> 02:46:57,720
Speaker 1: period started before the twenty sixteen, elections were largely focused

3103
02:46:57,760 --> 02:47:01,440
Speaker 1: around speeches at campuses by right wing bocketeurs and dueling

3104
02:47:01,480 --> 02:47:04,760
Speaker 1: demonstrations in a handful of. Cities the first wave of

3105
02:47:04,800 --> 02:47:08,959
Speaker 1: such activity crested In charlottesville twenty seventeen with tragic, results

3106
02:47:09,200 --> 02:47:11,320
Speaker 1: but the vibe it set and the people it trained

3107
02:47:11,400 --> 02:47:13,920
Speaker 1: continued to take part in street, actions and many of

3108
02:47:13,959 --> 02:47:17,520
Speaker 1: them formed the infrastructural core of the movement that exploded

3109
02:47:17,560 --> 02:47:20,960
Speaker 1: onto the scene After George floyd's. Murder the last year

3110
02:47:20,959 --> 02:47:24,039
Speaker 1: of serious protests have focused more on the genocide And

3111
02:47:24,080 --> 02:47:26,920
Speaker 1: gaza than, anything and it's not coincidental that the first

3112
02:47:27,000 --> 02:47:30,440
Speaker 1: wave of deportations have heavily targeted legal residents who took

3113
02:47:30,480 --> 02:47:34,200
Speaker 1: part in those. Demonstrations Since trump took office AND doze

3114
02:47:34,200 --> 02:47:37,040
Speaker 1: started doing its, thing there have been more large scale

3115
02:47:37,080 --> 02:47:40,080
Speaker 1: demos that focused directly on the. Regime, now these have

3116
02:47:40,160 --> 02:47:42,720
Speaker 1: been quite manageable from the regime's point of, view and

3117
02:47:42,760 --> 02:47:45,279
Speaker 1: they have not yet attracted the same kind of, crackdown

3118
02:47:45,680 --> 02:47:48,000
Speaker 1: but that won't remain the case as people grow more.

3119
02:47:48,080 --> 02:47:51,880
Speaker 1: Desperate any fool can see that the apparatus of repression

3120
02:47:51,920 --> 02:47:55,720
Speaker 1: constructed to punish genocide protesters will be turned on, democrats

3121
02:47:55,800 --> 02:47:58,800
Speaker 1: former federal, employees and people who are just hungry and

3122
02:47:58,840 --> 02:48:03,119
Speaker 1: pissed about rising food. Prizes, however this represents another tight

3123
02:48:03,240 --> 02:48:07,080
Speaker 1: rope scenario for the. Regime these demonstrations are, large and

3124
02:48:07,240 --> 02:48:11,039
Speaker 1: unlike student protests Against, israel the media has proved less

3125
02:48:11,120 --> 02:48:15,320
Speaker 1: eager to marginalize the participants as. Extremists as time goes

3126
02:48:15,360 --> 02:48:18,200
Speaker 1: on and things get, worse folks who last year scoffed

3127
02:48:18,200 --> 02:48:22,440
Speaker 1: at college students occupying campus buildings may themselves consider if

3128
02:48:22,520 --> 02:48:25,200
Speaker 1: perhaps it might be time to fox some shit. Up

3129
02:48:25,840 --> 02:48:29,040
Speaker 1: this will be an uneven, process with sudden leaps forward

3130
02:48:29,280 --> 02:48:33,040
Speaker 1: and pulls, back and it will provoke an equally uneven state.

3131
02:48:33,080 --> 02:48:36,880
Speaker 1: Response there will be attempts to send so called instigators

3132
02:48:36,879 --> 02:48:41,120
Speaker 1: and organizers. Overseas du Will salvador unless the public reaction to,

3133
02:48:41,200 --> 02:48:44,240
Speaker 1: this which is building AS i, type continues to escalate

3134
02:48:44,280 --> 02:48:47,480
Speaker 1: to the extent that it becomes. Unfeasible if, so there

3135
02:48:47,520 --> 02:48:51,320
Speaker 1: are ample domestic locations to detain or even disappear those

3136
02:48:51,360 --> 02:48:55,480
Speaker 1: the regime considers. Dangerous first on the chopping block will

3137
02:48:55,480 --> 02:48:57,800
Speaker 1: be the people whose heads are currently closest to the,

3138
02:48:57,840 --> 02:49:02,000
Speaker 1: blade organizers and demonstrators against, genocide whose citizenship is not

3139
02:49:02,120 --> 02:49:06,519
Speaker 1: at all in. QUESTION i expect if, large disruptive demonstrations

3140
02:49:06,560 --> 02:49:09,640
Speaker 1: do threaten the administration's, hold they will also start to

3141
02:49:09,640 --> 02:49:13,320
Speaker 1: our Target antifa, again which will start with the targeting

3142
02:49:13,360 --> 02:49:15,879
Speaker 1: of longtime, activists many of whom would have been people

3143
02:49:16,000 --> 02:49:18,200
Speaker 1: arrested or at least heavily surveiled in twenty.

3144
02:49:18,280 --> 02:49:20,640
Speaker 2: Twenty, however it won't.

3145
02:49:20,400 --> 02:49:24,560
Speaker 1: End, there and it will quickly expand to Elected, democrats

3146
02:49:24,840 --> 02:49:28,000
Speaker 1: new people organizing, protests folks who have never had anything

3147
02:49:28,040 --> 02:49:30,240
Speaker 1: to do with any of the kind of anti fascist

3148
02:49:30,280 --> 02:49:33,840
Speaker 1: actions that so Captivated Fox news back in twenty. TWENTY

3149
02:49:34,440 --> 02:49:36,040
Speaker 1: i will be shocked if we make it more than

3150
02:49:36,080 --> 02:49:39,039
Speaker 1: another year without a serious attempt to Brand antifa a

3151
02:49:39,040 --> 02:49:42,600
Speaker 1: domestic terror, organization and if that succeeds in a way

3152
02:49:42,600 --> 02:49:45,280
Speaker 1: that has legal, force then the fact that there is

3153
02:49:45,320 --> 02:49:48,440
Speaker 1: no such organization won't. Matter Trump's feds will do what

3154
02:49:48,480 --> 02:49:51,760
Speaker 1: we've Watched ice do With. Trendagua they'll break down the

3155
02:49:51,800 --> 02:49:54,720
Speaker 1: door of whoever they, wish argue tattoos or possessions of

3156
02:49:54,720 --> 02:49:58,039
Speaker 1: certain literature or whatever is proof of, membership and then

3157
02:49:58,080 --> 02:50:00,720
Speaker 1: those who survive the raids will find themselves in the

3158
02:50:00,720 --> 02:50:03,959
Speaker 1: most restrictive detention the regime feels secure placing them. In

3159
02:50:04,640 --> 02:50:07,320
Speaker 1: if things follow WHAT i suspect is the likeliest, path

3160
02:50:07,720 --> 02:50:10,280
Speaker 1: we will watch this PROCESS ebb and flow over the

3161
02:50:10,320 --> 02:50:13,440
Speaker 1: next several. Months each spring and, summer protests will grow

3162
02:50:13,520 --> 02:50:15,640
Speaker 1: and peak in the hottest, months with new cities and

3163
02:50:15,680 --> 02:50:19,880
Speaker 1: tactics being attempted regularly by groups constantly reeling from raids

3164
02:50:20,120 --> 02:50:24,040
Speaker 1: that are devastating and, terrifying but due to the incompetence

3165
02:50:24,040 --> 02:50:27,920
Speaker 1: of AN fbi whose investigative capacity has been, neutered failed

3166
02:50:28,000 --> 02:50:31,920
Speaker 1: to really disrupt. Things as the weather cools, off exhausted

3167
02:50:31,959 --> 02:50:35,400
Speaker 1: activists will lick their wounds and make new. Plans scattered

3168
02:50:35,400 --> 02:50:38,440
Speaker 1: acts of disruption carried out by small groups or individual

3169
02:50:38,520 --> 02:50:42,200
Speaker 1: cells will occur year, round BUT i expect large scale

3170
02:50:42,280 --> 02:50:46,520
Speaker 1: demonstrations and clashes between demonstrators and law enforcement to follow

3171
02:50:46,520 --> 02:50:49,680
Speaker 1: a pattern not so different from What afghanistan veterans knew

3172
02:50:49,760 --> 02:50:53,600
Speaker 1: was fighting, season hot summers of mass, activity winters of,

3173
02:50:53,720 --> 02:50:56,680
Speaker 1: raids and experimentation to scout holes for the next year's.

3174
02:50:56,720 --> 02:51:01,080
Speaker 1: Offensive and as time goes, on the energy will, build

3175
02:51:01,200 --> 02:51:04,600
Speaker 1: the tension will, build and of course we might find

3176
02:51:04,640 --> 02:51:09,080
Speaker 1: ourselves reaching towards something that explodes in the not too distant,

3177
02:51:09,120 --> 02:51:12,320
Speaker 1: future perhaps a year or two down the. Line, now of,

3178
02:51:12,360 --> 02:51:14,760
Speaker 1: course none of this will occur in a vacuum or

3179
02:51:14,800 --> 02:51:17,440
Speaker 1: independent of the news churn that we've been drowning in for.

3180
02:51:17,600 --> 02:51:21,160
Speaker 1: Years and this brings me to my next, prediction which

3181
02:51:21,240 --> 02:51:26,080
Speaker 1: is the coming of politics as. UNUSUAL i apologize for

3182
02:51:26,120 --> 02:51:28,000
Speaker 1: coming back to The David brooks of it, all but

3183
02:51:28,080 --> 02:51:30,640
Speaker 1: seeing a man who in twenty seventeen wrote The trump

3184
02:51:30,680 --> 02:51:33,760
Speaker 1: had changed and we really needed to stop stressing out over,

3185
02:51:33,840 --> 02:51:36,600
Speaker 1: him and then wrote a column attacking millennials for their

3186
02:51:36,680 --> 02:51:40,200
Speaker 1: tribalism call for a general strike is a, sign and

3187
02:51:40,280 --> 02:51:43,039
Speaker 1: it's not a sign That brooks has gotten. Smarter it's

3188
02:51:43,080 --> 02:51:45,920
Speaker 1: a sign that we've entered radical, times and that radicalization

3189
02:51:46,080 --> 02:51:50,039
Speaker 1: spares not even the. Centrist if the worst case scenario

3190
02:51:50,040 --> 02:51:52,440
Speaker 1: occurs in a few weeks from, NOW us soldiers are

3191
02:51:52,480 --> 02:51:56,240
Speaker 1: gunning down demonstrators while ice officers krt Elected democrats off To,

3192
02:51:56,320 --> 02:52:00,200
Speaker 1: seacott feel free to disregard this. Passage but if the

3193
02:52:00,240 --> 02:52:03,480
Speaker 1: somewhat slower path, PREVAILS i expect to see more politicians

3194
02:52:03,520 --> 02:52:06,040
Speaker 1: and news editors chase viewers as they sprint left or

3195
02:52:06,040 --> 02:52:09,480
Speaker 1: at least away from the dissolving. Center we've watched this

3196
02:52:09,600 --> 02:52:12,440
Speaker 1: process occur on the right during The biden, years and

3197
02:52:12,480 --> 02:52:14,640
Speaker 1: to a, degree it is still occurring out of a

3198
02:52:14,680 --> 02:52:18,040
Speaker 1: fear of reprisals under The trump. Regime i'm finalizing the

3199
02:52:18,080 --> 02:52:20,959
Speaker 1: script on the day Sixty minutes Producer Bill owens stepped

3200
02:52:21,000 --> 02:52:24,560
Speaker 1: down over interference from paramount executives into his coverage Of Donald.

3201
02:52:24,600 --> 02:52:27,800
Speaker 1: Trump but the polls have started moving against the. Right

3202
02:52:28,240 --> 02:52:31,240
Speaker 1: trump's public approval on immigration policy is under water for

3203
02:52:31,280 --> 02:52:34,400
Speaker 1: the first time in, years and his approval on everything else,

3204
02:52:34,520 --> 02:52:38,440
Speaker 1: is while not always at record, lows diving with significant.

3205
02:52:38,480 --> 02:52:41,720
Speaker 1: Speed the next several months of shipping, data as well

3206
02:52:41,720 --> 02:52:45,200
Speaker 1: as concerning early reporting on farm, yields suggests a near

3207
02:52:45,280 --> 02:52:47,920
Speaker 1: future in which a lot less will be available for.

3208
02:52:48,080 --> 02:52:51,240
Speaker 1: Everyone we saw what a rising price of eggs did To,

3209
02:52:51,280 --> 02:52:54,360
Speaker 1: biden and we've also Seen Senator chris Van holland go

3210
02:52:54,480 --> 02:52:57,640
Speaker 1: almost overnight from a marginal figure IN us politics to

3211
02:52:57,720 --> 02:53:00,360
Speaker 1: one of the most Famous democrats in the nation because

3212
02:53:00,360 --> 02:53:02,760
Speaker 1: he had the modest courage to fly to L salvador

3213
02:53:02,840 --> 02:53:05,240
Speaker 1: and call the president's use of a foreign black site

3214
02:53:05,320 --> 02:53:08,520
Speaker 1: what it. Was there will be more people Like Van

3215
02:53:08,560 --> 02:53:11,640
Speaker 1: holland who display courage previously unseen in a moment of.

3216
02:53:11,680 --> 02:53:14,759
Speaker 1: Trial but much more than, that there will be, opportunists

3217
02:53:14,879 --> 02:53:17,440
Speaker 1: those who see the wind blowing and chase the approval

3218
02:53:17,440 --> 02:53:20,720
Speaker 1: of crowds more willing to countenance radical action in the

3219
02:53:20,760 --> 02:53:24,039
Speaker 1: streets than they were a year. Ago most politicians and

3220
02:53:24,160 --> 02:53:27,120
Speaker 1: most thought leaders in the old media are, reactive And

3221
02:53:27,160 --> 02:53:30,200
Speaker 1: i'm not saying that this will, change merely that what

3222
02:53:30,240 --> 02:53:32,720
Speaker 1: they react to will change because of who is in

3223
02:53:32,840 --> 02:53:36,120
Speaker 1: charge now and because of the desperation of the times

3224
02:53:36,200 --> 02:53:39,360
Speaker 1: brought on By republican, policies which is going to paint

3225
02:53:39,360 --> 02:53:42,160
Speaker 1: a target on the backs of conservative leaders as large

3226
02:53:42,200 --> 02:53:44,120
Speaker 1: as the targets they've been painting on the backs of.

3227
02:53:44,160 --> 02:53:48,200
Speaker 1: Dissidence and all of this means one, thing which is

3228
02:53:48,760 --> 02:53:52,760
Speaker 1: we're approaching the age of weird. Terror so much has

3229
02:53:52,800 --> 02:53:55,240
Speaker 1: happened in this, shitty stupid year THAT i think we've all.

3230
02:53:55,240 --> 02:53:58,280
Speaker 1: Forgotten twenty twenty five opened with a military veteran blowing

3231
02:53:58,360 --> 02:54:00,600
Speaker 1: himself up in a cyber truck in front of The

3232
02:54:00,640 --> 02:54:04,080
Speaker 1: Trump hotel And casino In Las. Vegas his reasoning was

3233
02:54:04,120 --> 02:54:06,720
Speaker 1: based as much on the numerous head injuries he'd suffered

3234
02:54:06,720 --> 02:54:08,880
Speaker 1: in his service as it was on his exposure to

3235
02:54:08,959 --> 02:54:12,080
Speaker 1: right wing, propaganda which convinced him that The democrats needed

3236
02:54:12,080 --> 02:54:15,360
Speaker 1: to be dealt. With but he saw things clearly enough

3237
02:54:15,360 --> 02:54:17,720
Speaker 1: to know that yet another mass shooting or self, immolation

3238
02:54:17,879 --> 02:54:20,160
Speaker 1: or even a run of the mill bomb wouldn't have

3239
02:54:20,240 --> 02:54:24,360
Speaker 1: garnered him or his manifesto any. Attention so instead he

3240
02:54:24,440 --> 02:54:27,520
Speaker 1: picked a cyber truck and A trump, building symbols of

3241
02:54:27,560 --> 02:54:30,240
Speaker 1: the two most viral men of our very stupid, era

3242
02:54:30,520 --> 02:54:32,520
Speaker 1: and he blew one of those up in front of the,

3243
02:54:32,560 --> 02:54:35,840
Speaker 1: other and by, gummet we all did pay attention for

3244
02:54:35,879 --> 02:54:39,480
Speaker 1: a few, days at least late last, year an anonymous

3245
02:54:39,520 --> 02:54:42,760
Speaker 1: gunman the government believes to Be Luigi mangione was even

3246
02:54:42,800 --> 02:54:45,720
Speaker 1: more successful at holding our attention with an even stranger,

3247
02:54:45,800 --> 02:54:50,280
Speaker 1: attack a brazen and i perfectly executed assassination carried out

3248
02:54:50,320 --> 02:54:52,960
Speaker 1: by a man with a dazzling smile and the wisdom

3249
02:54:53,000 --> 02:54:56,160
Speaker 1: to pick the most universally hated target that exists, today

3250
02:54:56,560 --> 02:55:00,160
Speaker 1: a healthcare. Ceo we have all watched so many mass

3251
02:55:00,280 --> 02:55:04,440
Speaker 1: shootings at, schools at grocery, stores, nightclubs everywhere imaginable that

3252
02:55:04,480 --> 02:55:08,360
Speaker 1: they've lost the ability to shock. Us but targeted assassinations

3253
02:55:08,360 --> 02:55:09,959
Speaker 1: of people at the top of the food chain are

3254
02:55:10,040 --> 02:55:12,760
Speaker 1: so rare that they can't help but draw eyeballs and

3255
02:55:12,879 --> 02:55:16,560
Speaker 1: sheer rollicking, strangeness like we saw In vegas has a

3256
02:55:16,600 --> 02:55:19,600
Speaker 1: captivating power all its. Own we will see more of

3257
02:55:19,680 --> 02:55:22,120
Speaker 1: both kinds of attacks in the months to. Come the

3258
02:55:22,280 --> 02:55:25,160
Speaker 1: arson attempt On Governor shapiro's home, bazar at least for

3259
02:55:25,200 --> 02:55:28,440
Speaker 1: the extensive damage, done might be seen as another data

3260
02:55:28,480 --> 02:55:31,160
Speaker 1: point on this. List but as new figures rise to

3261
02:55:31,200 --> 02:55:34,760
Speaker 1: prominence within new protest, movements we will see attempts to kill.

3262
02:55:34,800 --> 02:55:38,080
Speaker 1: Them furious and Derange trump supporters armed with cars and

3263
02:55:38,120 --> 02:55:40,800
Speaker 1: guns And trump branded pocket dives will do as they've been,

3264
02:55:40,879 --> 02:55:43,680
Speaker 1: doing and this part won't be. New WHAT i do

3265
02:55:43,800 --> 02:55:46,280
Speaker 1: expect will be new is the increased threat felt by

3266
02:55:46,280 --> 02:55:49,400
Speaker 1: the oligarchs at the top of the, system as intelligent

3267
02:55:49,480 --> 02:55:52,480
Speaker 1: and patient young people continue to plot ways to go

3268
02:55:52,560 --> 02:55:54,879
Speaker 1: after them and the places and times where they feel.

3269
02:55:54,920 --> 02:55:58,920
Speaker 1: Invulnerable AND i also expect that editors and journalists will

3270
02:55:58,959 --> 02:56:02,600
Speaker 1: continue to learn that these actions draw eyeballs more than

3271
02:56:02,640 --> 02:56:06,400
Speaker 1: almost anything. Else and while all that's going, on the

3272
02:56:06,480 --> 02:56:09,720
Speaker 1: truly unbalanced among us we'll find ways to hitchhike off

3273
02:56:09,760 --> 02:56:13,080
Speaker 1: the well publicized turmoil coming our way and make their

3274
02:56:13,120 --> 02:56:17,200
Speaker 1: own confounding. Statements there will be public suicides and attacks

3275
02:56:17,280 --> 02:56:20,560
Speaker 1: utilizing weapons and tools we can't yet, imagine at least

3276
02:56:20,800 --> 02:56:23,680
Speaker 1: not openly on a podcast without receiving a visit from

3277
02:56:23,680 --> 02:56:26,680
Speaker 1: some friendly alphabet boy or. ANOTHER i don't know what

3278
02:56:26,800 --> 02:56:30,800
Speaker 1: exactly to expect beyond the unexpected and the very very.

3279
02:56:30,840 --> 02:56:34,600
Speaker 1: Silly and of, course as we talk about weird, TERRORISM

3280
02:56:34,600 --> 02:56:37,360
Speaker 1: i don't mean to discount The nazi accelerationist types. Here

3281
02:56:37,400 --> 02:56:40,160
Speaker 1: they'll keep, trying but if they want to raise above

3282
02:56:40,200 --> 02:56:43,240
Speaker 1: the chatter and an even more crowded media, ecosystem even

3283
02:56:43,280 --> 02:56:46,000
Speaker 1: they're going to find ways to get weird with. It after,

3284
02:56:46,080 --> 02:56:49,199
Speaker 1: all an attack no one notices isn't likely to accelerate

3285
02:56:49,280 --> 02:56:52,520
Speaker 1: much of. Anything AND i guess that's What i've got right.

3286
02:56:52,560 --> 02:56:56,119
Speaker 1: Now i've got ten pages or so on WHAT i see.

3287
02:56:56,120 --> 02:56:59,920
Speaker 1: COMING i didn't come up with a, smooth sexy ending

3288
02:57:00,080 --> 02:57:03,080
Speaker 1: for this like a writer, should Because i'm tired and

3289
02:57:03,680 --> 02:57:06,959
Speaker 1: thinking about this isn't. Fun BUT i did a, lot

3290
02:57:07,040 --> 02:57:09,560
Speaker 1: and there you. ARE i suppose the thing you're asking

3291
02:57:09,560 --> 02:57:11,280
Speaker 1: now is what the fuck DO i do about? It

3292
02:57:11,879 --> 02:57:14,600
Speaker 1: and you know that's what we talk about a lot

3293
02:57:14,640 --> 02:57:18,680
Speaker 1: on this. Show organize with your, friends get, involved find

3294
02:57:18,720 --> 02:57:22,400
Speaker 1: ways to help. People take a stop the bleed, glass

3295
02:57:22,760 --> 02:57:25,600
Speaker 1: and the love Of, god keep your eyes.

3296
02:57:25,640 --> 02:57:52,360
Speaker 10: Open this is it could Happen Here Executive, disorder our

3297
02:57:52,360 --> 02:57:55,800
Speaker 10: weekly newscast covering what's happening in The White, house the crumbling,

3298
02:57:55,800 --> 02:57:57,880
Speaker 10: world and what it means for. You I'm Garrison davis.

3299
02:57:57,879 --> 02:58:01,440
Speaker 10: Today i'm joined By, Miao James, stout And Robert. Evans

3300
02:58:01,800 --> 02:58:05,520
Speaker 10: this episode recovering the week Of april seventeen To april twenty.

3301
02:58:05,640 --> 02:58:09,720
Speaker 10: Three Jd vance has killed The. POPE a Second pete

3302
02:58:09,720 --> 02:58:12,000
Speaker 10: hegsath on authorized signal chat has hit The department Of.

3303
02:58:12,080 --> 02:58:15,959
Speaker 10: Defense The White house announces that The Education department will

3304
02:58:15,959 --> 02:58:19,800
Speaker 10: start collecting on defaulted student. Loans Beanie Clad Tim poole

3305
02:58:19,920 --> 02:58:23,000
Speaker 10: joins The White house press, pool and Hippie facebook moms

3306
02:58:23,400 --> 02:58:27,200
Speaker 10: rejoice with artificial food dies being banned Across? America how

3307
02:58:27,240 --> 02:58:27,480
Speaker 10: are we?

3308
02:58:27,520 --> 02:58:32,720
Speaker 1: Doing, everybody which was so after hearing, that, FINE i GUESS.

3309
02:58:32,560 --> 02:58:33,240
Speaker 4: I outlived The.

3310
02:58:33,280 --> 02:58:34,720
Speaker 2: POPE i outlived The.

3311
02:58:34,760 --> 02:58:38,520
Speaker 1: Pope you have to live several more decades to like

3312
02:58:38,640 --> 02:58:43,119
Speaker 1: outlive the. Pope, OFFICIALLY i think he was eighty, eight.

3313
02:58:43,120 --> 02:58:45,360
Speaker 9: So he id it and did.

3314
02:58:45,440 --> 02:58:48,199
Speaker 10: It thank goodness he did not die On hitler's, birthday

3315
02:58:48,240 --> 02:58:50,280
Speaker 10: because that would have been a whole, other whole.

3316
02:58:50,280 --> 02:58:53,480
Speaker 1: Other, Yeah i'm still one day. Off i'm thinking back

3317
02:58:53,520 --> 02:58:56,240
Speaker 1: to My catechism classes and trying to, remember Like pope

3318
02:58:56,280 --> 02:58:57,720
Speaker 1: dead On, easter good sign are.

3319
02:58:57,760 --> 02:59:01,240
Speaker 5: Bad that's definitely a S i'll get some kind of.

3320
02:59:01,240 --> 02:59:03,600
Speaker 1: Shie how do we take?

3321
02:59:03,640 --> 02:59:06,640
Speaker 4: That shout out to The pistons for holding off winning

3322
02:59:06,640 --> 02:59:09,520
Speaker 4: a playoff game just long enough for The pope to,

3323
02:59:09,600 --> 02:59:12,879
Speaker 4: die such That francistory's entire tournament office never saw A

3324
02:59:12,879 --> 02:59:16,240
Speaker 4: pistons playoff. Win congratulations to The, Pistons gradulations to The

3325
02:59:16,240 --> 02:59:18,800
Speaker 4: city Of. Detroit congratulations for withholding that from The.

3326
02:59:18,840 --> 02:59:20,640
Speaker 9: Pope didn't that mean love to see?

3327
02:59:20,640 --> 02:59:23,000
Speaker 1: It Did Pope francis have a strong opinion on The

3328
02:59:23,000 --> 02:59:25,600
Speaker 1: pistons that he expressed at some point BECAUSE i may

3329
02:59:25,600 --> 02:59:26,000
Speaker 1: have missed.

3330
02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:28,680
Speaker 5: That, no he knew they were in a mackelmore, song

3331
02:59:28,760 --> 02:59:29,760
Speaker 5: so therefore he hated.

3332
02:59:29,800 --> 02:59:33,680
Speaker 1: Them he was a huge mcle. Fan, yeah a lot

3333
02:59:33,680 --> 02:59:35,959
Speaker 1: of people don't know, this but the entire time The

3334
02:59:35,959 --> 02:59:38,120
Speaker 1: pope is lying in, state they're just going to be

3335
02:59:38,200 --> 02:59:44,599
Speaker 1: looping thrift. Shop so, yeah As Pope francis, Wanted.

3336
02:59:44,560 --> 02:59:48,960
Speaker 9: Yeah that was his dying. Wish do you know who?

3337
02:59:49,040 --> 02:59:51,440
Speaker 10: Else probably used to listen To, mackailmore not anymore because

3338
02:59:51,480 --> 02:59:53,680
Speaker 10: he got too. Woke But Pete heggseth seems like. Us

3339
02:59:53,720 --> 02:59:55,320
Speaker 10: he's like a twenty Twelve mackelmore.

3340
02:59:55,400 --> 02:59:56,320
Speaker 2: Guy yeah it might have.

3341
02:59:56,400 --> 02:59:58,000
Speaker 9: Been might have. Been he was.

3342
02:59:57,959 --> 03:00:00,600
Speaker 10: Sharing plans for you many air, strikes his, wife his,

3343
03:00:00,680 --> 03:00:02,840
Speaker 10: brother and a personal. Lawyer in another, signal.

3344
03:00:02,600 --> 03:00:04,000
Speaker 1: CHAT i do the same.

3345
03:00:04,120 --> 03:00:08,119
Speaker 9: Thing, yeah, well, yeah you've yet to act on your.

3346
03:00:08,120 --> 03:00:11,000
Speaker 9: Plans it's a. Difference they are not interested.

3347
03:00:10,680 --> 03:00:13,200
Speaker 10: Looping at the lawyers the real Like god to your move.

3348
03:00:13,280 --> 03:00:17,000
Speaker 7: There that's funny BECAUSE i mean it says so much

3349
03:00:17,080 --> 03:00:19,240
Speaker 7: both about like what's going on In pete Heads seth's,

3350
03:00:19,280 --> 03:00:21,879
Speaker 7: brain but of the quality of, lawyer because any lawyer

3351
03:00:21,959 --> 03:00:23,879
Speaker 7: worth assault would be like please.

3352
03:00:25,080 --> 03:00:28,360
Speaker 1: Chat, yeah you need to get me out of this.

3353
03:00:28,640 --> 03:00:32,280
Speaker 1: Chat what is wrong with? You are? You are you

3354
03:00:32,400 --> 03:00:34,119
Speaker 1: texting me missile package?

3355
03:00:34,160 --> 03:00:37,039
Speaker 10: Information that's the.

3356
03:00:37,000 --> 03:00:39,200
Speaker 4: Thing, though we've gotten great every like this guy From,

3357
03:00:39,240 --> 03:00:42,240
Speaker 4: julianni from all of the, lawyers these like random cartoon.

3358
03:00:42,280 --> 03:00:44,959
Speaker 4: Dipshits the right keeps finding that like they will just

3359
03:00:45,080 --> 03:00:47,760
Speaker 4: hand you a law, Degree like if you hand the

3360
03:00:47,800 --> 03:00:50,560
Speaker 4: state enough, money they will just hand you a law

3361
03:00:50,600 --> 03:00:53,360
Speaker 4: degree and you can just like bullshit your way to

3362
03:00:53,440 --> 03:00:55,160
Speaker 4: the bar and you'll be. Fine like they give that

3363
03:00:55,200 --> 03:00:57,440
Speaker 4: shout out to anyone.

3364
03:00:56,879 --> 03:00:59,080
Speaker 1: You can tell a really good lawyer in a room

3365
03:00:59,120 --> 03:01:01,400
Speaker 1: where legal things are being, Discussed And i've had this

3366
03:01:01,440 --> 03:01:05,160
Speaker 1: happen several times because they just, leave they, bounce they

3367
03:01:05,200 --> 03:01:08,840
Speaker 1: get the fuck out of the. Room and that's a smart. Lawyer.

3368
03:01:09,120 --> 03:01:10,920
Speaker 5: YEAH i don't know if you saw, it but The

3369
03:01:10,959 --> 03:01:14,840
Speaker 5: state Of california was USING ai to say it's bar exam. Questions, so,

3370
03:01:15,240 --> 03:01:17,760
Speaker 5: oh you don't even have to be SO.

3371
03:01:17,879 --> 03:01:20,119
Speaker 1: I bet THE ai would be able to tell, you

3372
03:01:20,160 --> 03:01:24,000
Speaker 1: don't text you your wife lawyer in sun classified information

3373
03:01:24,120 --> 03:01:26,840
Speaker 1: about missile. Strikes but.

3374
03:01:26,959 --> 03:01:29,959
Speaker 10: Whatever, now hopefully if they start USING ai more to

3375
03:01:29,959 --> 03:01:31,720
Speaker 10: get through, school they won't have they won't have as

3376
03:01:31,800 --> 03:01:36,560
Speaker 10: many student loans to be collected. On, yeah of practice

3377
03:01:36,600 --> 03:01:39,240
Speaker 10: that has been paused Since march of twenty, twenty set

3378
03:01:39,280 --> 03:01:42,480
Speaker 10: to be resumed On may. Fifth and then uh uh.

3379
03:01:43,040 --> 03:01:46,680
Speaker 10: Man The timpool thing was was really. Wild Press Secretary

3380
03:01:46,680 --> 03:01:50,360
Speaker 10: Carolyn levitt gave a give a glowing introduction To Tim

3381
03:01:50,360 --> 03:01:54,120
Speaker 10: poole's addition to the press, room And tim's first question

3382
03:01:54,440 --> 03:01:57,640
Speaker 10: to the administration was was asking why news media just

3383
03:01:57,720 --> 03:02:01,760
Speaker 10: lies so much About trump and journalism here from Comrade,

3384
03:02:01,800 --> 03:02:09,600
Speaker 10: tim really probing. Question let's pivot TOWARDS rfk and the

3385
03:02:09,840 --> 03:02:13,760
Speaker 10: concerning registry that has been, discussed which is a word

3386
03:02:13,800 --> 03:02:15,840
Speaker 10: you never like to. Hear whenever someone brings up the

3387
03:02:15,840 --> 03:02:18,520
Speaker 10: concept of a, registry it's usually, bad always.

3388
03:02:18,600 --> 03:02:21,200
Speaker 1: Bad So i'm going to talk in general about WHAT,

3389
03:02:21,440 --> 03:02:25,439
Speaker 1: rfk the things that he has, said not just about Autistic,

3390
03:02:25,480 --> 03:02:29,400
Speaker 1: americans but about people who are receiving psychiatric, medication people

3391
03:02:29,400 --> 03:02:33,480
Speaker 1: who are addicted to, opiates people who are utilizing like,

3392
03:02:33,520 --> 03:02:37,480
Speaker 1: stimulants by WHICH i MEAN adhd, medicine which if you HAVE,

3393
03:02:37,560 --> 03:02:40,920
Speaker 1: adhd that's not exactly the way it, functions but that's

3394
03:02:41,120 --> 03:02:42,080
Speaker 1: the way he frames.

3395
03:02:42,120 --> 03:02:43,920
Speaker 2: It because these are all tied, together.

3396
03:02:44,080 --> 03:02:46,720
Speaker 1: RIGHT i have some frustrations with kind of how it's

3397
03:02:46,760 --> 03:02:50,160
Speaker 1: been taken on social media THAT i think are not

3398
03:02:50,200 --> 03:02:52,360
Speaker 1: causing people to worry when they don't need to, worry

3399
03:02:52,440 --> 03:02:55,560
Speaker 1: but look at maybe sort of the wrong area to

3400
03:02:55,640 --> 03:02:58,200
Speaker 1: be to see the immediate threat coming. From so First

3401
03:02:58,240 --> 03:03:00,600
Speaker 1: i'm going to start with like what his been, said

3402
03:03:00,640 --> 03:03:03,400
Speaker 1: and before we get to the, registry we have to

3403
03:03:03,440 --> 03:03:04,920
Speaker 1: go back to what he was talking about on the

3404
03:03:04,959 --> 03:03:07,320
Speaker 1: campaign trail because prior and this is prior to him

3405
03:03:07,400 --> 03:03:10,400
Speaker 1: Endorsing Donald, trump when OUR Fk junior was like an

3406
03:03:10,480 --> 03:03:15,800
Speaker 1: individual like running for president on his own under his independent,

3407
03:03:15,879 --> 03:03:20,160
Speaker 1: campaign he started talking about wellness, farms, right and these

3408
03:03:20,160 --> 03:03:23,320
Speaker 1: were specifically in the language that he, use places that

3409
03:03:23,360 --> 03:03:27,600
Speaker 1: people who were addicted to psychiatric. Medication antidepressants he named

3410
03:03:27,640 --> 03:03:32,039
Speaker 1: specifically antidepressants and, stimulants as well as people with opiate, addictions,

3411
03:03:32,360 --> 03:03:35,320
Speaker 1: right and he has since talked about other drug addictions as.

3412
03:03:35,360 --> 03:03:39,840
Speaker 1: Well could go to spend three or four years working

3413
03:03:39,959 --> 03:03:43,240
Speaker 1: on a. Farm he always frames it as also like learning.

3414
03:03:43,320 --> 03:03:46,400
Speaker 1: Skills so it's this mix OF i want people to

3415
03:03:46,440 --> 03:03:49,520
Speaker 1: be able to work in this you, know lovely, bucolic you,

3416
03:03:49,560 --> 03:03:53,560
Speaker 1: know agrarian setting where they'll gain working. Skills and then

3417
03:03:53,600 --> 03:03:56,800
Speaker 1: there's also pepperdin these very frightening phrases like they need

3418
03:03:56,840 --> 03:04:00,880
Speaker 1: to be reparented right. Now in addition to, this he's

3419
03:04:00,920 --> 03:04:04,400
Speaker 1: not just that this is all focused On americans who

3420
03:04:04,440 --> 03:04:10,920
Speaker 1: are taking medications that he thinks are over prescribed or purely. Unnecessary,

3421
03:04:11,040 --> 03:04:13,800
Speaker 1: right that's always the, Way like psychiatric. Medication he almost

3422
03:04:13,800 --> 03:04:17,120
Speaker 1: has a scientologist attitude towards it that like this is

3423
03:04:17,240 --> 03:04:21,840
Speaker 1: all essentially. Unnecessary and, obviously you, know all of this

3424
03:04:21,840 --> 03:04:24,119
Speaker 1: stuff comes out of their elements of this that were

3425
03:04:24,160 --> 03:04:26,160
Speaker 1: true at one. Point for, example back in the, nineties

3426
03:04:26,200 --> 03:04:29,640
Speaker 1: Like riddlin was wildly overprescribed to. Kids but the way

3427
03:04:29,680 --> 03:04:32,200
Speaker 1: in which he's translated this now is that basically everyone

3428
03:04:32,240 --> 03:04:35,240
Speaker 1: on a, stimulant everyone on an, antidepressant is on it.

3429
03:04:35,360 --> 03:04:38,920
Speaker 1: Unnecessarily and in a podcast in twenty twenty, four he

3430
03:04:39,000 --> 03:04:41,800
Speaker 1: went further by kind of tying a lot of this to,

3431
03:04:42,080 --> 03:04:45,920
Speaker 1: race specifically stating, quote every black kid is now just

3432
03:04:46,000 --> 03:04:49,640
Speaker 1: standard put on adderall on SSRIs, benzos which are known

3433
03:04:49,680 --> 03:04:51,760
Speaker 1: to induce, violence and those kids are going to have

3434
03:04:51,800 --> 03:04:55,920
Speaker 1: a chance to go somewhere and get. Reparented so that's

3435
03:04:55,959 --> 03:04:56,600
Speaker 1: all deeply.

3436
03:04:56,720 --> 03:05:01,520
Speaker 10: Concerning it's like kidnapping children, unforcibly like de. MEDICATING i will,

3437
03:05:01,520 --> 03:05:03,800
Speaker 10: say that's not how he has framed. It so one

3438
03:05:03,800 --> 03:05:05,800
Speaker 10: of the things is People i've heard it phrases LIKE

3439
03:05:05,920 --> 03:05:08,879
Speaker 10: rfk has admitted he wants to imprison millions Of americans in,

3440
03:05:08,959 --> 03:05:11,600
Speaker 10: camps and, like that's not what he. Said the direct

3441
03:05:11,879 --> 03:05:15,240
Speaker 10: quotes about this are not framed as a mandatory. Thing

3442
03:05:15,400 --> 03:05:19,560
Speaker 10: it's framed as a replacement for other treatments that people

3443
03:05:19,600 --> 03:05:22,600
Speaker 10: can choose to go into and choose to. Leave that's

3444
03:05:22,600 --> 03:05:26,800
Speaker 10: what he's, said, Right, okay, now perfectly reasonable when a

3445
03:05:26,879 --> 03:05:29,360
Speaker 10: guy in an administration like this is talking about putting

3446
03:05:29,400 --> 03:05:30,720
Speaker 10: up camps to be, like, WELL i don't know IF

3447
03:05:30,760 --> 03:05:32,880
Speaker 10: i believe, him but it's not accurate that he said

3448
03:05:32,920 --> 03:05:35,160
Speaker 10: he wants to arrest millions of people and force them onto.

3449
03:05:35,160 --> 03:05:38,039
Speaker 10: Camps he just has not said, that, Right, yeah, Yeah

3450
03:05:38,040 --> 03:05:39,720
Speaker 10: AND i think it behooves us.

3451
03:05:39,640 --> 03:05:41,120
Speaker 1: To be honest about what he. SAID i think it

3452
03:05:41,120 --> 03:05:46,320
Speaker 1: also behooves us to talk about like where this idea comes, from,

3453
03:05:46,680 --> 03:05:50,000
Speaker 1: right and what he's looking back. To and, again a

3454
03:05:50,000 --> 03:05:52,520
Speaker 1: lot of the issue here is not necessarily WHAT rfk might,

3455
03:05:52,560 --> 03:05:54,320
Speaker 1: do but the fact that he might not be there.

3456
03:05:54,400 --> 03:05:57,879
Speaker 1: Forever and if he starts establishing this this kind of

3457
03:05:58,000 --> 03:06:00,800
Speaker 1: kind of program that starts in an attempt to be

3458
03:06:00,920 --> 03:06:03,280
Speaker 1: something that is, more you can choose to be on

3459
03:06:03,320 --> 03:06:06,640
Speaker 1: these camps or. Not there's certainly willingness within The Republican

3460
03:06:06,680 --> 03:06:10,880
Speaker 1: party to force people into different kinds of quote unquote

3461
03:06:10,920 --> 03:06:13,119
Speaker 1: treatment like. This and one THING i think that particularly

3462
03:06:13,200 --> 03:06:15,120
Speaker 1: is the way in which the right has liked to

3463
03:06:15,240 --> 03:06:18,800
Speaker 1: shift blame for gun violence and mass shootings off of

3464
03:06:18,840 --> 03:06:22,120
Speaker 1: the availability of firearms and onto people who are on psychiatric.

3465
03:06:22,160 --> 03:06:22,640
Speaker 2: Medication.

3466
03:06:23,040 --> 03:06:25,200
Speaker 1: Right and this is an area in WHICH i could

3467
03:06:25,240 --> 03:06:28,959
Speaker 1: see someone taking over FROM rfk or pushing past the

3468
03:06:29,000 --> 03:06:31,520
Speaker 1: things he specifically has stated he wants to, do BECAUSE

3469
03:06:31,560 --> 03:06:33,520
Speaker 1: i think he does come out of a more quack

3470
03:06:33,640 --> 03:06:38,760
Speaker 1: medicine goal here putting people forcibly in camps and colonies like,

3471
03:06:38,800 --> 03:06:39,080
Speaker 1: THIS i.

3472
03:06:39,080 --> 03:06:41,640
Speaker 10: Mean like the idea of like, REPARENTING i guess is

3473
03:06:41,680 --> 03:06:46,280
Speaker 10: more is deeply Problem, yes incredibly scary, phrase but it

3474
03:06:46,360 --> 03:06:48,600
Speaker 10: is worth noting as there's a there's a very good.

3475
03:06:48,720 --> 03:06:52,360
Speaker 1: Teen vogue article on the matter CALLED rfk wants to

3476
03:06:52,400 --> 03:06:55,279
Speaker 1: send people to wellness. Farms THE us already tried that

3477
03:06:55,280 --> 03:06:59,200
Speaker 1: that talks about the actual background that he is hearkening back,

3478
03:06:59,240 --> 03:07:01,080
Speaker 1: to because he is. Not but his vision of wellness

3479
03:07:01,120 --> 03:07:04,520
Speaker 1: farms is not like The nazi concentration. Camp which doesn't

3480
03:07:04,560 --> 03:07:07,400
Speaker 1: mean that it's not possible that things could wind up

3481
03:07:07,440 --> 03:07:09,720
Speaker 1: in a much darker. Direction but this gives you an

3482
03:07:09,760 --> 03:07:12,240
Speaker 1: idea of the history that he is specifically calling back.

3483
03:07:12,280 --> 03:07:12,360
Speaker 5: To.

3484
03:07:12,720 --> 03:07:15,560
Speaker 1: Quote beginning of the eighteen nineties and continuing through the

3485
03:07:15,560 --> 03:07:18,480
Speaker 1: first decades of the twentieth, century epileptic and feeble minded

3486
03:07:18,520 --> 03:07:21,320
Speaker 1: colonies sprung up around THE. Us the initial purpose of

3487
03:07:21,360 --> 03:07:24,360
Speaker 1: these colonies was to remove patients from, overcrowded badly run

3488
03:07:24,400 --> 03:07:27,200
Speaker 1: asylums in poorhouses in favor of farm, life where they

3489
03:07:27,200 --> 03:07:30,040
Speaker 1: would have access to the. Outdoors under the colony, model

3490
03:07:30,040 --> 03:07:32,880
Speaker 1: patients generally lived in cottages designed to be more homelike

3491
03:07:32,959 --> 03:07:36,680
Speaker 1: than Institutional patients were also given, jobs and many were

3492
03:07:36,680 --> 03:07:38,959
Speaker 1: expected to work on colony, farms where they grew their own.

3493
03:07:39,000 --> 03:07:42,360
Speaker 1: Food Doctor William, sprattling the medical superintendent of The Craig

3494
03:07:42,400 --> 03:07:44,959
Speaker 1: colony For epileptics In New, york declared that the farm

3495
03:07:45,000 --> 03:07:47,720
Speaker 1: model meant, nature the great, restorer will have an opportunity

3496
03:07:47,760 --> 03:07:50,600
Speaker 1: to do her. Best it didn't. Work supporters of the

3497
03:07:50,600 --> 03:07:53,119
Speaker 1: colony of model argued that with, time clean, air, sunshine

3498
03:07:53,160 --> 03:07:56,160
Speaker 1: and a restricted, diet physical labor could heal, patients but

3499
03:07:56,240 --> 03:07:58,840
Speaker 1: that didn't. Happen data from The Craig, colony one of

3500
03:07:58,879 --> 03:08:02,959
Speaker 1: The america's first electic, colonies illustrates this. Point during the nineteen,

3501
03:08:03,040 --> 03:08:05,600
Speaker 1: forties thanks to funding and staff limitations because Of World War,

3502
03:08:05,640 --> 03:08:09,640
Speaker 1: two conditions In North american institutions were particularly grim the.

3503
03:08:09,680 --> 03:08:12,520
Speaker 1: Institutions nineteen forty three to nineteen forty four annual report

3504
03:08:12,520 --> 03:08:14,520
Speaker 1: to The State commissioner Of Medtal hygiene shows that less

3505
03:08:14,520 --> 03:08:17,120
Speaker 1: than one percent of patients were discharged is cured that.

3506
03:08:17,240 --> 03:08:20,200
Speaker 1: Year during that same, period over two hundred patients attempted

3507
03:08:20,200 --> 03:08:22,680
Speaker 1: to leave the colony without, permission and five percent of

3508
03:08:22,680 --> 03:08:26,600
Speaker 1: the total patient population. Died and SO i mean that's

3509
03:08:27,200 --> 03:08:30,160
Speaker 1: reason enough to be deeply, worried, right the fact that

3510
03:08:30,440 --> 03:08:33,199
Speaker 1: without saying LIKE rfk wants to do what The nazis,

3511
03:08:33,240 --> 03:08:35,760
Speaker 1: DID rfk wants to do what The america already did

3512
03:08:35,800 --> 03:08:37,800
Speaker 1: and it killed a huge number of the people who

3513
03:08:37,800 --> 03:08:40,600
Speaker 1: were interned in those. Camps AND i guess the THING

3514
03:08:40,640 --> 03:08:43,320
Speaker 1: i keep bringing up is that WHEN i think about

3515
03:08:43,400 --> 03:08:47,080
Speaker 1: what the threat model is more than Fucking auschwitz for

3516
03:08:47,440 --> 03:08:51,520
Speaker 1: people who on OUR, nssris it's A Judge Rotenberg center

3517
03:08:51,680 --> 03:08:56,440
Speaker 1: on every. Corner it's camps like these where costs are

3518
03:08:56,480 --> 03:08:58,680
Speaker 1: going to be cut and there's not going to be

3519
03:08:58,760 --> 03:09:01,680
Speaker 1: good access for any kind of independent monitors to make

3520
03:09:01,720 --> 03:09:04,800
Speaker 1: sure health and safety are being. Followed it's not that

3521
03:09:04,879 --> 03:09:07,400
Speaker 1: people are going to be shoveled into. Ovens it's that

3522
03:09:08,000 --> 03:09:12,120
Speaker 1: as a result of this system being incompetently applied to

3523
03:09:12,240 --> 03:09:15,200
Speaker 1: the most. Vulnerable And i'm not even talking about my

3524
03:09:15,280 --> 03:09:17,560
Speaker 1: worry at the moment being that everyone on AN ssr

3525
03:09:17,640 --> 03:09:18,240
Speaker 1: will be forced.

3526
03:09:18,240 --> 03:09:19,520
Speaker 2: In it's going to be poor.

3527
03:09:19,600 --> 03:09:22,120
Speaker 1: Kids AND rfk has already talked about, that, Right, like

3528
03:09:22,160 --> 03:09:24,960
Speaker 1: that's why he's focusing on the black, kids, right that's

3529
03:09:25,000 --> 03:09:27,879
Speaker 1: who they're going. For we've had some people post up

3530
03:09:27,879 --> 03:09:30,440
Speaker 1: in the subreddit being, LIKE i Know i'm going to

3531
03:09:30,480 --> 03:09:32,280
Speaker 1: go to a camp BECAUSE i have, autism OR i

3532
03:09:32,320 --> 03:09:33,680
Speaker 1: Know i'm going to do go to a camp because

3533
03:09:33,680 --> 03:09:36,560
Speaker 1: i HAVE. Adhd And i'm telling, You i'm not saying

3534
03:09:37,640 --> 03:09:42,000
Speaker 1: don't be scared of. Fascism i'm saying this is where

3535
03:09:42,320 --> 03:09:45,760
Speaker 1: to fight right. Now it's NOT rfk wants to send

3536
03:09:45,760 --> 03:09:49,240
Speaker 1: every adult on AN ssri into a death. Camp it's

3537
03:09:49,240 --> 03:09:51,600
Speaker 1: that they're going to try and be putting these kids

3538
03:09:51,640 --> 03:09:54,760
Speaker 1: instead of you, know the different juvenile programs that, exist

3539
03:09:54,840 --> 03:09:59,240
Speaker 1: instead of any kind of functional medical, Program they're going

3540
03:09:59,280 --> 03:10:01,360
Speaker 1: to force them into hisities like, this and it's going

3541
03:10:01,400 --> 03:10:04,440
Speaker 1: to become easier for facilities like The Judge Rotenberg, center

3542
03:10:04,640 --> 03:10:08,440
Speaker 1: which horribly abuses and tortures autistic, kids to spread and

3543
03:10:08,520 --> 03:10:13,199
Speaker 1: to get state and federal. Funding and that's that's the, threat.

3544
03:10:13,440 --> 03:10:16,840
Speaker 1: Right it's an extension of what we're doing and what we've.

3545
03:10:16,879 --> 03:10:19,800
Speaker 1: Done it's not a carbon copy of what The nazis

3546
03:10:19,840 --> 03:10:30,280
Speaker 1: are doing or did speaking of The, nazis.

3547
03:10:35,120 --> 03:10:35,520
Speaker 2: And we're.

3548
03:10:35,520 --> 03:10:39,560
Speaker 1: Back so a couple of things happen in quick succession

3549
03:10:39,640 --> 03:10:41,840
Speaker 1: that is responsible in part for like why people are

3550
03:10:41,879 --> 03:10:44,080
Speaker 1: so freaked, out and rightfully. So one of them is

3551
03:10:44,080 --> 03:10:47,080
Speaker 1: THAT rfk gave a speech on the back of new

3552
03:10:47,200 --> 03:10:51,160
Speaker 1: data that showed yet another rise in the rate of autism,

3553
03:10:51,200 --> 03:10:54,120
Speaker 1: diagnoses and AS i said on a previous, episode it's

3554
03:10:54,160 --> 03:10:56,800
Speaker 1: because we're looking for it. More but he made a

3555
03:10:56,840 --> 03:10:59,720
Speaker 1: statement about people with profound autism not being able to

3556
03:10:59,720 --> 03:11:03,120
Speaker 1: pay taxes or write, poems you, know or that sort of.

3557
03:11:03,160 --> 03:11:06,160
Speaker 1: Thing and while he was specifically talking about people with

3558
03:11:06,200 --> 03:11:10,120
Speaker 1: quote unquote profound, autism it's reasonable for people to, assume, like,

3559
03:11:10,200 --> 03:11:13,000
Speaker 1: yeah but that's just kind of what he sees is basically, everyone,

3560
03:11:13,160 --> 03:11:15,720
Speaker 1: right AND i don't think that that's an unfair. Assumption

3561
03:11:16,240 --> 03:11:18,400
Speaker 1: and then coming right up on the heels of, that

3562
03:11:18,920 --> 03:11:21,640
Speaker 1: there was an announcement from THE, nih The National institutes

3563
03:11:21,680 --> 03:11:25,600
Speaker 1: Of health ABOUT Rfk junior's new effort to quote unquote study.

3564
03:11:25,640 --> 03:11:28,959
Speaker 1: Autism and basically what they're going to be doing is

3565
03:11:29,000 --> 03:11:32,880
Speaker 1: collecting comprehensive patient data with broad coverage of THE us

3566
03:11:33,000 --> 03:11:36,879
Speaker 1: population and kind of organizing it within THE. Nih this

3567
03:11:37,000 --> 03:11:39,640
Speaker 1: is the first time this has been. Done but they

3568
03:11:39,680 --> 03:11:42,560
Speaker 1: are going to be grabbing basically everything they can get

3569
03:11:42,600 --> 03:11:44,360
Speaker 1: their hands. On and we're talking about a mix of

3570
03:11:44,640 --> 03:11:50,160
Speaker 1: med medication records from, pharmacies lab testing, records genomic data

3571
03:11:50,200 --> 03:11:52,480
Speaker 1: from people who like go to the you, know department

3572
03:11:52,520 --> 03:11:55,879
Speaker 1: of the basically data taken by THE, va data taken

3573
03:11:55,920 --> 03:11:59,039
Speaker 1: by The Indian Health, service as well as data by

3574
03:11:59,120 --> 03:12:01,840
Speaker 1: from private. Insurance and they're also going to be buying

3575
03:12:01,959 --> 03:12:05,520
Speaker 1: data from smartwatchs from stuff like. Fitbits, right who does

3576
03:12:05,560 --> 03:12:08,080
Speaker 1: sell their data to anybody with like twenty dollars hanging

3577
03:12:08,120 --> 03:12:10,440
Speaker 1: out the back of their. Pocket and as a heads,

3578
03:12:10,520 --> 03:12:13,120
Speaker 1: up if you are looking for a fitness, tracker you

3579
03:12:13,160 --> 03:12:16,440
Speaker 1: should look more into. This there are a few that

3580
03:12:16,680 --> 03:12:20,480
Speaker 1: have reasonably good data protection. Histories garman is one of.

3581
03:12:20,520 --> 03:12:23,320
Speaker 1: Them this does not mean it's. Perfect all of them

3582
03:12:23,360 --> 03:12:25,920
Speaker 1: will hand over your data if given a court order

3583
03:12:25,959 --> 03:12:28,160
Speaker 1: to do. So none of them are going to break

3584
03:12:28,200 --> 03:12:30,760
Speaker 1: the law to hold on to your. Data But garman

3585
03:12:30,840 --> 03:12:33,440
Speaker 1: doesn't just like sell willy nilly to anybody who wants

3586
03:12:33,440 --> 03:12:36,320
Speaker 1: to like advertise based on. It right that, said most

3587
03:12:36,320 --> 03:12:38,560
Speaker 1: of them do the last Thing i'd write was something

3588
03:12:38,640 --> 03:12:41,880
Speaker 1: like twelve out of fifteen different free fitness tracking apps

3589
03:12:41,920 --> 03:12:44,520
Speaker 1: they checked sold data pretty, Widely so.

3590
03:12:44,520 --> 03:12:45,400
Speaker 4: Yeah about eighty.

3591
03:12:45,400 --> 03:12:49,760
Speaker 1: Percent, yeah it's the vast. Majority, Right, so THE nih

3592
03:12:49,840 --> 03:12:52,760
Speaker 1: is basically looking at taking the data that. Exists they're

3593
03:12:52,800 --> 03:12:54,760
Speaker 1: not talking about really gathering new, data but they are

3594
03:12:54,800 --> 03:12:58,720
Speaker 1: Taking they are talking about collecting everything that exists and

3595
03:12:58,800 --> 03:13:01,879
Speaker 1: putting it under one roof the first. Time and this

3596
03:13:02,000 --> 03:13:04,560
Speaker 1: is for a couple of. Purposes. Right they want to

3597
03:13:04,600 --> 03:13:07,680
Speaker 1: be able to track the spread of different illnesses and

3598
03:13:07,720 --> 03:13:10,920
Speaker 1: different health problems within the. Population these are their, claims

3599
03:13:11,400 --> 03:13:15,160
Speaker 1: but also they want to create a disease registry specifically

3600
03:13:15,160 --> 03:13:18,480
Speaker 1: to Track americans with. Autism, Right and this is Because

3601
03:13:18,560 --> 03:13:21,879
Speaker 1: kennedy describes autism as a preventable, disease which is not.

3602
03:13:22,080 --> 03:13:25,080
Speaker 1: Accurate and the fact that this database and these other

3603
03:13:25,160 --> 03:13:29,320
Speaker 1: databases are being made should be very. Worrisome, Right it's

3604
03:13:29,360 --> 03:13:31,360
Speaker 1: both important to talk about the fact that he is

3605
03:13:31,360 --> 03:13:34,160
Speaker 1: specifically signaling out autism while also stating like that's not

3606
03:13:34,200 --> 03:13:35,320
Speaker 1: the only thing they're looking.

3607
03:13:35,320 --> 03:13:35,560
Speaker 2: Into.

3608
03:13:35,760 --> 03:13:38,640
Speaker 1: Right they want data on people who are ON, SSRIs

3609
03:13:38,680 --> 03:13:41,920
Speaker 1: who are ON adhd. Medication they probably want data on drug.

3610
03:13:42,040 --> 03:13:42,200
Speaker 9: Use.

3611
03:13:42,320 --> 03:13:44,760
Speaker 1: Right there are a lot of things they are looking

3612
03:13:44,840 --> 03:13:47,640
Speaker 1: to be, gathering and none of it is shit that

3613
03:13:47,680 --> 03:13:48,680
Speaker 1: they should have access.

3614
03:13:48,720 --> 03:13:49,720
Speaker 2: For, yeah you.

3615
03:13:49,680 --> 03:13:52,440
Speaker 10: Can certainly see them expanding this out to like hormone replacement,

3616
03:13:52,480 --> 03:13:54,520
Speaker 10: therapy transfer, healthcare, yes.

3617
03:13:54,560 --> 03:13:57,640
Speaker 5: Yeah and also like the apps attract like menstrual. Cycles, right,

3618
03:13:57,680 --> 03:13:59,600
Speaker 5: yes people access and reproductive.

3619
03:13:59,640 --> 03:14:01,880
Speaker 2: Healthcare and again the immediate.

3620
03:14:01,959 --> 03:14:05,800
Speaker 1: Plan i'm, SORRY i SIMPLY i don't think THAT Rfk

3621
03:14:06,040 --> 03:14:09,760
Speaker 1: junior's master plan is the mass arrest of everybody who

3622
03:14:09,879 --> 03:14:12,640
Speaker 1: with autism in The United states and forcing them into a.

3623
03:14:12,680 --> 03:14:14,600
Speaker 1: CAMP i don't think that's what he, wants in part

3624
03:14:14,640 --> 03:14:19,959
Speaker 1: because number, one his base of support is a lot

3625
03:14:19,959 --> 03:14:22,480
Speaker 1: of the parents of these. Kids And i'm not saying

3626
03:14:22,520 --> 03:14:24,879
Speaker 1: those parents don't want to do things that they aren't

3627
03:14:24,879 --> 03:14:27,520
Speaker 1: already doing things to their kids that are, Harmful but

3628
03:14:27,600 --> 03:14:31,120
Speaker 1: those parents want control over what they see as their kids'.

3629
03:14:31,160 --> 03:14:35,400
Speaker 1: Healthcare they want the freedom to experiment with medications on

3630
03:14:35,480 --> 03:14:38,879
Speaker 1: their kids to quote unquote fix. Them and this data

3631
03:14:39,000 --> 03:14:43,520
Speaker 1: is going to be used both to provide basically to

3632
03:14:43,560 --> 03:14:46,800
Speaker 1: be massaged to provide evidence that different treatments that don't

3633
03:14:46,800 --> 03:14:49,360
Speaker 1: do shit do in fact. Work AND i THINK i

3634
03:14:49,440 --> 03:14:53,240
Speaker 1: have suspicions of financial interests. THERE i keep getting questioned, like,

3635
03:14:53,360 --> 03:14:54,760
Speaker 1: well what do you think is going to happen when

3636
03:14:54,800 --> 03:14:56,760
Speaker 1: the autism cures don't, Work, well then they're going to

3637
03:14:56,760 --> 03:14:59,360
Speaker 1: put people in. Camps, no the autism cures already don't.

3638
03:14:59,400 --> 03:15:02,400
Speaker 1: Work this is an. Industry they make money off of.

3639
03:15:02,400 --> 03:15:05,520
Speaker 1: This they make money off of drugging and medically torturing these.

3640
03:15:05,640 --> 03:15:08,240
Speaker 1: Children and as far that, is the threat is that

3641
03:15:08,320 --> 03:15:10,800
Speaker 1: it is going to get easier to do at a larger,

3642
03:15:10,840 --> 03:15:13,320
Speaker 1: scale and it is going to be harder to, fight

3643
03:15:13,440 --> 03:15:16,240
Speaker 1: even illegal to provide good information on what does and

3644
03:15:16,280 --> 03:15:19,720
Speaker 1: does not. Work and that is what's happening right now

3645
03:15:19,840 --> 03:15:23,080
Speaker 1: as opposed to something we might be worried, about you,

3646
03:15:23,120 --> 03:15:27,000
Speaker 1: know years down the. Line and, yes we should fight

3647
03:15:27,080 --> 03:15:29,720
Speaker 1: anytime the government is trying to put populations of people

3648
03:15:29,760 --> 03:15:33,200
Speaker 1: into a motherfucking database like, This we should fight all

3649
03:15:33,240 --> 03:15:36,240
Speaker 1: of this tooth and. NAIL i just think this is

3650
03:15:36,280 --> 03:15:39,440
Speaker 1: WHAT i see as the. Danger you, Know, yeah the

3651
03:15:39,800 --> 03:15:43,160
Speaker 1: risk is this to centralized. Stuff it's a centralized acceleration

3652
03:15:43,280 --> 03:15:46,080
Speaker 1: for things that have already been, happening less so than

3653
03:15:46,160 --> 03:15:47,440
Speaker 1: just like large scale direct sator.

3654
03:15:47,440 --> 03:15:51,120
Speaker 5: Intervention, YEAH i think a lot about, like in the

3655
03:15:51,120 --> 03:15:55,680
Speaker 5: context of this like quote unquote wilderness therapy, programs, Yes roberts,

3656
03:15:55,720 --> 03:15:57,840
Speaker 5: companies but which have been abusing children for.

3657
03:15:58,160 --> 03:16:00,600
Speaker 1: Years and that is WHAT i see when we talk

3658
03:16:00,640 --> 03:16:03,880
Speaker 1: about these these. Farms, again my worry is NOT rfk

3659
03:16:04,040 --> 03:16:08,560
Speaker 1: wants to forcibly put everybody into Fucking Auschwitz part. Two

3660
03:16:09,000 --> 03:16:13,000
Speaker 1: IT'S rfk wants a hundred times as many teen treatment

3661
03:16:13,080 --> 03:16:16,560
Speaker 1: facilities where kids who disobey are get in trouble with

3662
03:16:16,600 --> 03:16:19,360
Speaker 1: the large caught it fucking, protests can be forced to,

3663
03:16:19,440 --> 03:16:22,240
Speaker 1: labor and an amount of them will, die and all

3664
03:16:22,320 --> 03:16:25,400
Speaker 1: of them will suffer permanent mental and physical damage as

3665
03:16:25,400 --> 03:16:26,560
Speaker 1: a result of being put in these.

3666
03:16:26,600 --> 03:16:30,440
Speaker 10: Places, yeah like the behavioral improvement centers that are you

3667
03:16:30,480 --> 03:16:32,400
Speaker 10: could even be part, of you, know like like community.

3668
03:16:32,440 --> 03:16:37,600
Speaker 1: Service, yes, yeah it's extensions of what we. Do it's Extremely,

3669
03:16:37,640 --> 03:16:42,160
Speaker 1: american you. KNOW i just that's that's where my head.

3670
03:16:42,200 --> 03:16:46,160
Speaker 5: Is, yeah it's no Great so talking of WHERE i

3671
03:16:46,160 --> 03:16:50,400
Speaker 5: guess where my head is is, Immigration, Right that's WHAT

3672
03:16:50,480 --> 03:16:54,440
Speaker 5: i tend to update us. On SO i Guess i've

3673
03:16:54,440 --> 03:16:57,040
Speaker 5: seen it characterize as like legal ping pong between the

3674
03:16:57,040 --> 03:16:59,560
Speaker 5: courts and THE. Doj it would be like if one

3675
03:16:59,600 --> 03:17:02,039
Speaker 5: side was playing ping pong with a regular tennis, racket

3676
03:17:02,040 --> 03:17:04,120
Speaker 5: and everyone was just pretending that they weren't, Right like

3677
03:17:04,160 --> 03:17:07,680
Speaker 5: the doj is just continuing to kind of flout these court.

3678
03:17:07,800 --> 03:17:09,920
Speaker 5: Orders if we start from the top and go, down

3679
03:17:09,959 --> 03:17:13,560
Speaker 5: The Supreme court temporarily banned the government from Renditioning venezuelan

3680
03:17:13,640 --> 03:17:16,000
Speaker 5: men in the district Of North texas To El. SALVADOR

3681
03:17:16,600 --> 03:17:19,360
Speaker 5: i think people maybe sometimes this got a little misinterpreted

3682
03:17:19,400 --> 03:17:21,400
Speaker 5: on social, media like you have to look at who

3683
03:17:21,440 --> 03:17:23,640
Speaker 5: the class, was and the class was a group Of

3684
03:17:23,840 --> 03:17:26,920
Speaker 5: venezuelan men who were in immigration detention In North texas

3685
03:17:26,959 --> 03:17:29,040
Speaker 5: who were going to be sent To Wel, salvador and

3686
03:17:29,080 --> 03:17:33,680
Speaker 5: that was who got the. Relief the case at the

3687
03:17:33,720 --> 03:17:36,240
Speaker 5: time was pending before THE Us court Of appeals for

3688
03:17:36,320 --> 03:17:38,960
Speaker 5: The Fifth, circuit and The Supreme court said that once

3689
03:17:38,959 --> 03:17:41,480
Speaker 5: that court, acted the government could appeal to The Supreme. Court,

3690
03:17:41,760 --> 03:17:44,440
Speaker 5: however they, added the government should, not And i'm quoting,

3691
03:17:44,480 --> 03:17:47,320
Speaker 5: here remove any member of the putative class of detainees

3692
03:17:47,360 --> 03:17:49,960
Speaker 5: from The United states until further order of This.

3693
03:17:50,280 --> 03:17:51,360
Speaker 9: COURT i.

3694
03:17:51,480 --> 03:17:54,560
Speaker 5: E The Supreme court to update on the, case which

3695
03:17:54,560 --> 03:17:55,240
Speaker 5: we've covered a lot.

3696
03:17:55,280 --> 03:17:56,640
Speaker 9: Here The Abrego garcia.

3697
03:17:56,720 --> 03:18:03,000
Speaker 5: Case Judge genies ordered expedite disco discovery is when both

3698
03:18:03,040 --> 03:18:06,600
Speaker 5: parties in a, lawsuit like a mass information, right they're

3699
03:18:06,600 --> 03:18:11,000
Speaker 5: able to find out. Information and in this, case the

3700
03:18:11,040 --> 03:18:13,720
Speaker 5: government more or less ignored, this and it did so

3701
03:18:13,800 --> 03:18:16,000
Speaker 5: by sticking to its line that they can't bring him

3702
03:18:16,000 --> 03:18:19,320
Speaker 5: home to The United, states saying that the requests were

3703
03:18:19,360 --> 03:18:22,720
Speaker 5: And i'm quoting again, here based on the false premise

3704
03:18:22,800 --> 03:18:25,400
Speaker 5: that The United states can or has been ordered to

3705
03:18:25,440 --> 03:18:30,000
Speaker 5: Facilitate Bregor garcia's released from custody In El. Salvulo their

3706
03:18:30,120 --> 03:18:33,680
Speaker 5: claiming they were ordered to return, him and somehow in their,

3707
03:18:33,720 --> 03:18:38,840
Speaker 5: minds returning him does not include ensuring his, release like

3708
03:18:38,879 --> 03:18:41,680
Speaker 5: they're saying that they're only obliged to transport him should

3709
03:18:41,720 --> 03:18:45,160
Speaker 5: he be released. Anyway genies in a court order called

3710
03:18:45,160 --> 03:18:48,520
Speaker 5: this quote a wilful and bad faith refusal to comply

3711
03:18:48,640 --> 03:18:52,600
Speaker 5: with the discovery. Obligations geni's also called the government's assertions

3712
03:18:52,640 --> 03:18:57,840
Speaker 5: of executive privilege quote equally. Specious The city Of hyattsville

3713
03:18:57,879 --> 03:19:01,000
Speaker 5: in this case also clarified through a press release that,

3714
03:19:01,120 --> 03:19:05,040
Speaker 5: quote at no time did any member OF hpd identify

3715
03:19:05,200 --> 03:19:08,680
Speaker 5: or file any report Classifying Abrego garcia as a member

3716
03:19:08,720 --> 03:19:12,120
Speaker 5: of any. Gang despite, this the executive branch is still

3717
03:19:12,160 --> 03:19:15,800
Speaker 5: going with that he's a violent gang. Member they also

3718
03:19:16,280 --> 03:19:21,440
Speaker 5: doxed his wife this week by releasing a protective order

3719
03:19:21,480 --> 03:19:24,680
Speaker 5: that she had once filed and, withdrawn and when that was,

3720
03:19:24,720 --> 03:19:27,800
Speaker 5: released it contained her a, dress so she's now hiding

3721
03:19:27,840 --> 03:19:28,360
Speaker 5: in a safe.

3722
03:19:28,360 --> 03:19:33,680
Speaker 10: House they photoshopped A ms thirteen tattoo onto his knuckles

3723
03:19:33,720 --> 03:19:40,080
Speaker 10: above a weed leaf, tattoo a smiley face across and a.

3724
03:19:40,120 --> 03:19:43,960
Speaker 5: Skull, yeah, yeah that's what they're going.

3725
03:19:44,000 --> 03:19:47,040
Speaker 9: WITH i guess specious is a specious is a good? Word?

3726
03:19:47,720 --> 03:19:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah just hideous?

3727
03:19:48,640 --> 03:19:50,879
Speaker 9: Nonsense, yeah, no absolutely obscenely.

3728
03:19:50,920 --> 03:19:53,480
Speaker 5: Ridiculu and then the other angler, Says i'm just saying

3729
03:19:53,520 --> 03:19:55,440
Speaker 5: that you don't have a right to do process right like,

3730
03:19:55,520 --> 03:19:58,520
Speaker 5: openly just Like miller has been saying. This Jd vance

3731
03:19:58,560 --> 03:20:02,600
Speaker 5: has been saying this on x dot com that, like

3732
03:20:03,320 --> 03:20:05,440
Speaker 5: these people don't have a right to do process for.

3733
03:20:05,760 --> 03:20:09,400
Speaker 5: That they've come up with various arguments for. That it

3734
03:20:09,480 --> 03:20:12,760
Speaker 5: also seems like two people sent Twelve salbador no longer

3735
03:20:12,840 --> 03:20:17,000
Speaker 5: appear on any official list of, detainees which is concerning

3736
03:20:17,200 --> 03:20:22,879
Speaker 5: one of, Them Ricardo. Pradovasquez he's not among the two

3737
03:20:22,959 --> 03:20:25,680
Speaker 5: hundred and thirty eight people we know on the manifest

3738
03:20:25,720 --> 03:20:28,920
Speaker 5: for those sent Twelve. Salvador he doesn't appear to be

3739
03:20:28,920 --> 03:20:31,280
Speaker 5: In Venice, whaler which is where his passport is, from

3740
03:20:31,760 --> 03:20:34,840
Speaker 5: and the fact that the government claims that they sent.

3741
03:20:34,959 --> 03:20:36,360
Speaker 5: Him the government has said they sent him on The

3742
03:20:36,360 --> 03:20:39,600
Speaker 5: march fifteenth. Flights he's not listed. There he's not visible in.

3743
03:20:39,640 --> 03:20:43,080
Speaker 5: Photos has led to concerns that we might have sent

3744
03:20:43,160 --> 03:20:45,680
Speaker 5: more people To El salvador than we currently know. About

3745
03:20:46,240 --> 03:20:49,560
Speaker 5: he entered the country with A cbp one appointment, right

3746
03:20:49,600 --> 03:20:52,600
Speaker 5: which of all the ways to, enter is the one

3747
03:20:52,600 --> 03:20:55,360
Speaker 5: that THE us government was trying to force people to

3748
03:20:55,480 --> 03:20:55,879
Speaker 5: use at that.

3749
03:20:55,959 --> 03:20:58,920
Speaker 10: Time, right he very like legally entered the.

3750
03:20:58,959 --> 03:21:01,480
Speaker 5: Country, yes to be, clear he entered at a port

3751
03:21:01,480 --> 03:21:05,480
Speaker 5: of entry with an appointment to claim. Asylum he appears

3752
03:21:05,520 --> 03:21:09,039
Speaker 5: made a mistake when delivering food and ended up driving

3753
03:21:09,080 --> 03:21:12,440
Speaker 5: Into canada and was arrested when he attempted to return

3754
03:21:12,480 --> 03:21:14,840
Speaker 5: to The United. States he doesn't show up on THE

3755
03:21:14,840 --> 03:21:20,040
Speaker 5: ice detainee, locator and essentially no one knows where he is.

3756
03:21:20,120 --> 03:21:23,840
Speaker 5: Right this concern has been compounded by the fact that

3757
03:21:23,879 --> 03:21:26,039
Speaker 5: it also emerged this week that THE us has sent

3758
03:21:26,120 --> 03:21:31,119
Speaker 5: at least one, Detainee Omar abdul Sata amen To, rwanda

3759
03:21:31,720 --> 03:21:34,720
Speaker 5: and the combination of these two, things raises are concerned

3760
03:21:34,720 --> 03:21:38,240
Speaker 5: that they are sending third country nationals to detention in

3761
03:21:38,320 --> 03:21:41,480
Speaker 5: other countries that we are not yet aware. Of, right of,

3762
03:21:41,520 --> 03:21:44,320
Speaker 5: course The Rwanda plan was something that THE uk government

3763
03:21:44,480 --> 03:21:48,160
Speaker 5: hatched a long time, ago and The kagami government In

3764
03:21:48,240 --> 03:21:52,520
Speaker 5: rwanda seems to see this offer right as a way

3765
03:21:52,760 --> 03:21:57,160
Speaker 5: of gaining legitimacy with governments in the Global, north especially

3766
03:21:57,200 --> 03:22:00,320
Speaker 5: given the widespread criticism for his actions in The Democratic

3767
03:22:00,320 --> 03:22:05,360
Speaker 5: republic Of. Congo, recently from The, handbasket which is like

3768
03:22:05,400 --> 03:22:10,920
Speaker 5: a kind of substacky, outlet they've reviewed memos between THE

3769
03:22:11,320 --> 03:22:14,440
Speaker 5: us government and the embassy In, rwanda And i'm quoting

3770
03:22:14,440 --> 03:22:16,640
Speaker 5: from one of them. Here THE us provided a one

3771
03:22:16,720 --> 03:22:20,000
Speaker 5: time payment of one hundred thousand dollars to support social,

3772
03:22:20,080 --> 03:22:24,960
Speaker 5: services residency, documents and work. Permits rwanda has, also according

3773
03:22:24,959 --> 03:22:28,200
Speaker 5: to the Hand, basket agreed to accept ten more third country.

3774
03:22:28,280 --> 03:22:31,280
Speaker 5: Nationals so THE us is Paying rwanda a little bit

3775
03:22:31,280 --> 03:22:32,960
Speaker 5: more than it's Paying El salvador rate it was Paying

3776
03:22:32,959 --> 03:22:36,160
Speaker 5: El salbora twenty thousand per person per, year but it's

3777
03:22:36,160 --> 03:22:41,320
Speaker 5: a one time. Payment, NONETHELESS i struggled to believe that

3778
03:22:41,360 --> 03:22:44,680
Speaker 5: you could concoct a way in which it would Cost

3779
03:22:44,760 --> 03:22:50,760
Speaker 5: rwanda one hundred grand to produce a residency document and

3780
03:22:50,800 --> 03:22:54,880
Speaker 5: a work permit for An iraqi. National but, yeah this

3781
03:22:56,120 --> 03:22:58,440
Speaker 5: has obviously led to the concern that people are being

3782
03:22:58,480 --> 03:23:00,480
Speaker 5: sent to other places that we don't don't yet know

3783
03:23:00,520 --> 03:23:01,959
Speaker 5: about talking to people being.

3784
03:23:01,760 --> 03:23:02,240
Speaker 9: Sent to other.

3785
03:23:02,280 --> 03:23:08,320
Speaker 5: PLACES A us, Citizen Jose, hermosille was detained BY ice

3786
03:23:08,760 --> 03:23:12,480
Speaker 5: after approaching a border patrol agent to ask for. Directions

3787
03:23:13,000 --> 03:23:16,920
Speaker 5: he was detained for ten. DAYS dhs is claiming that

3788
03:23:17,000 --> 03:23:20,520
Speaker 5: he was arrested near The nogales border and that he

3789
03:23:20,800 --> 03:23:24,120
Speaker 5: approached the border patrol agent and upon doing, so identified

3790
03:23:24,200 --> 03:23:26,920
Speaker 5: himself as a non citizen who was not in the country,

3791
03:23:27,040 --> 03:23:31,840
Speaker 5: legally which is what they. Claim, yes So hermaiceo disputes

3792
03:23:31,879 --> 03:23:35,879
Speaker 5: this along with his. Lawyers he says he approached the

3793
03:23:35,879 --> 03:23:39,000
Speaker 5: agent looking for, directions having had a seizure and been

3794
03:23:39,040 --> 03:23:40,080
Speaker 5: in the hospital and when he.

3795
03:23:40,000 --> 03:23:42,280
Speaker 9: Got out of hospital was trying to work out where to.

3796
03:23:42,360 --> 03:23:45,040
Speaker 5: Go he is From New, mexico but he was visiting

3797
03:23:45,040 --> 03:23:48,560
Speaker 5: his girlfriend's family In. Tucson he told the agent he

3798
03:23:48,600 --> 03:23:50,600
Speaker 5: was From New, mexico and the agent accused him of.

3799
03:23:50,760 --> 03:23:54,759
Speaker 5: Lying in his, ACCOUNT dhs has to produce a transcript

3800
03:23:55,080 --> 03:23:58,000
Speaker 5: With i'm not going to call it a signature because

3801
03:23:58,000 --> 03:23:58,640
Speaker 5: it just has.

3802
03:23:58,520 --> 03:23:59,880
Speaker 9: The Word jose written underneath.

3803
03:23:59,879 --> 03:24:04,720
Speaker 5: It, Right Mister, hermercio according to his, girlfriend has some learning,

3804
03:24:04,760 --> 03:24:09,280
Speaker 5: difficulties and by her, account he wouldn't have been able

3805
03:24:09,320 --> 03:24:12,879
Speaker 5: to read The english language transcript that he's alleged to have.

3806
03:24:12,959 --> 03:24:15,600
Speaker 5: Signed so like, totally whether or not he signed this

3807
03:24:15,720 --> 03:24:18,800
Speaker 5: is rather a material. Right he, clearly judging by her,

3808
03:24:18,840 --> 03:24:21,040
Speaker 5: account was not aware that he was in. It judging by,

3809
03:24:21,080 --> 03:24:23,080
Speaker 5: this this is not even a signature with a last.

3810
03:24:23,160 --> 03:24:27,640
Speaker 5: Name it's laughable to suggest that he like consentingly signed. This,

3811
03:24:27,720 --> 03:24:29,800
Speaker 5: Yeah but nonetheless he was detained for ten days till

3812
03:24:29,800 --> 03:24:32,039
Speaker 5: his family produced his documents in.

3813
03:24:32,080 --> 03:24:35,440
Speaker 10: Court, yeah he was arrested quote unquote without proper immigration,

3814
03:24:35,560 --> 03:24:39,680
Speaker 10: documents which you don't carry around when you're A us. Citizen,

3815
03:24:39,800 --> 03:24:42,880
Speaker 10: yeah you're not obliged to, papers, please you don't need.

3816
03:24:42,920 --> 03:24:45,640
Speaker 10: That his family brought His Social security card certificate to,

3817
03:24:45,720 --> 03:24:48,480
Speaker 10: court and eventually the case against him was dismissed after

3818
03:24:48,520 --> 03:24:51,879
Speaker 10: being held By ice for ten. Days this reminds me

3819
03:24:51,879 --> 03:24:55,560
Speaker 10: of a similar case from this past, week where A

3820
03:24:55,640 --> 03:25:00,440
Speaker 10: us citizen was detained On wednesday the. Sixteenth this is

3821
03:25:00,440 --> 03:25:03,840
Speaker 10: a twenty year old born In, Georgia Juan Carlo's Lopez.

3822
03:25:03,879 --> 03:25:06,760
Speaker 10: Gomez he was pulled over while driving to work near

3823
03:25:06,800 --> 03:25:10,640
Speaker 10: The florida. Border he doesn't speak Much english Or. Spanish

3824
03:25:10,800 --> 03:25:13,720
Speaker 10: he speaks an indigenous mind, language but he gave his

3825
03:25:13,760 --> 03:25:17,119
Speaker 10: REAL id card And Social security card over to a state.

3826
03:25:17,160 --> 03:25:21,000
Speaker 10: Trooper he was detained and charged with illegally entering the

3827
03:25:21,000 --> 03:25:25,480
Speaker 10: state as a quote unquote unauthorized. Alien, similarly the trooper

3828
03:25:25,600 --> 03:25:28,879
Speaker 10: claims That Lopez gomez said that he was in the country.

3829
03:25:28,920 --> 03:25:31,959
Speaker 10: Illegally this is like some kind of communication error or

3830
03:25:32,000 --> 03:25:35,760
Speaker 10: these law enforcement officers are just like lying or trying

3831
03:25:35,800 --> 03:25:39,000
Speaker 10: to construct like language traps to make someone agree to

3832
03:25:39,000 --> 03:25:41,680
Speaker 10: a statement that admits that they're in the country, illegally

3833
03:25:41,680 --> 03:25:44,720
Speaker 10: which allows them to be. Detained he was put into

3834
03:25:44,720 --> 03:25:47,400
Speaker 10: a twenty four hour ice. Hoold the next, day a

3835
03:25:47,400 --> 03:25:50,120
Speaker 10: federal judge verified his birth, certificate which was brought by his,

3836
03:25:50,160 --> 03:25:53,320
Speaker 10: mother but claims to lack the authority to release, him

3837
03:25:53,600 --> 03:25:57,360
Speaker 10: though he was released Later thursday, night and he was

3838
03:25:57,480 --> 03:26:00,800
Speaker 10: arrested under a New florida law signed by The santas last,

3839
03:26:00,840 --> 03:26:04,000
Speaker 10: month which a judge blocked. Earlier this month On april.

3840
03:26:04,040 --> 03:26:07,480
Speaker 10: Fourth this basically allows the state troopers to act as

3841
03:26:07,600 --> 03:26:10,959
Speaker 10: their state's own like border, patrol and it penalizes immigrans

3842
03:26:10,959 --> 03:26:13,920
Speaker 10: who quote unquote knowingly enter or attempt to enter the

3843
03:26:13,959 --> 03:26:17,480
Speaker 10: state after entering The United states by eluding or avoiding

3844
03:26:17,560 --> 03:26:20,279
Speaker 10: examination or inspection by immigration officers.

3845
03:26:20,480 --> 03:26:23,520
Speaker 4: Unquote, yeah and like and like the common thing, here

3846
03:26:23,600 --> 03:26:25,959
Speaker 4: right is that they're just we've seen. This there are

3847
03:26:26,000 --> 03:26:27,280
Speaker 4: a bunch of other cases that are like this, too

3848
03:26:27,320 --> 03:26:29,720
Speaker 4: where it's just like they see someone who's not white

3849
03:26:29,760 --> 03:26:31,320
Speaker 4: and they're just, like, yeah fuck, it we can grab

3850
03:26:31,360 --> 03:26:33,000
Speaker 4: this person and then just lie about what they. Said

3851
03:26:33,040 --> 03:26:35,640
Speaker 4: it's like it's not even very based on racial. Profiling,

3852
03:26:35,800 --> 03:26:37,320
Speaker 4: yeah but it's like the things it's like it's not

3853
03:26:37,320 --> 03:26:39,480
Speaker 4: even it's not even like racial profiling. Anymore like it's

3854
03:26:39,520 --> 03:26:43,800
Speaker 4: it's they're just attempting to black bag like random non

3855
03:26:43,800 --> 03:26:46,720
Speaker 4: white people that they're just running. Across, yes and so

3856
03:26:46,760 --> 03:26:48,520
Speaker 4: of course they're like GRABBING us, citizens right cause they're

3857
03:26:48,520 --> 03:26:50,400
Speaker 4: just grabbing random. People but it's like they're just fucking

3858
03:26:50,400 --> 03:26:53,280
Speaker 4: doing this to. Everyone this has happened in other states as.

3859
03:26:53,280 --> 03:26:56,280
Speaker 4: Well there's been instance like, this like the past few

3860
03:26:56,280 --> 03:26:59,640
Speaker 4: months which have which have increased in frequency Since.

3861
03:26:59,440 --> 03:27:03,320
Speaker 10: Trump has taken. Office, yeah let's go on a break

3862
03:27:03,400 --> 03:27:20,040
Speaker 10: and return to talk. Tariff, okay we are. Back how's

3863
03:27:20,080 --> 03:27:29,080
Speaker 10: the how's the economy? Going locking jazz b rock jazz

3864
03:27:29,200 --> 03:27:30,680
Speaker 10: Bot Sary.

3865
03:27:30,879 --> 03:27:36,959
Speaker 1: Lockingcky Jazz bocky Jazz.

3866
03:27:36,680 --> 03:27:40,520
Speaker 10: Bob do not? Like, Okay, mia what can you tell

3867
03:27:40,600 --> 03:27:44,039
Speaker 10: us about tariffs this? Week so we got a look

3868
03:27:44,400 --> 03:27:48,080
Speaker 10: inside The White house this week at how the, tariff

3869
03:27:48,160 --> 03:27:52,080
Speaker 10: the turf tariff suspension. Happened, now remember so there was

3870
03:27:52,120 --> 03:27:54,280
Speaker 10: there was a deliberation day tariffs a few weeks ago

3871
03:27:54,360 --> 03:27:57,320
Speaker 10: and then they got suspended for ninety. Days so we're

3872
03:27:57,360 --> 03:27:59,840
Speaker 10: all still on the ninety day count jone clock on those.

3873
03:28:00,160 --> 03:28:03,480
Speaker 10: Unsuspended but we got a view of how that happened

3874
03:28:04,760 --> 03:28:06,560
Speaker 10: from The Wall Street, journal and The Wall Street journal

3875
03:28:06,600 --> 03:28:11,160
Speaker 10: reports That Secretary Treasurer Scott bessett And Commerce Secretary Howard

3876
03:28:11,240 --> 03:28:16,039
Speaker 10: lutnik basically waited Until trump Advisor Peter navarro was out

3877
03:28:16,040 --> 03:28:18,360
Speaker 10: of the, room and then it was in a, meeting

3878
03:28:18,600 --> 03:28:20,640
Speaker 10: and then they Cornered trump and we're, like you gotta

3879
03:28:20,680 --> 03:28:22,520
Speaker 10: roll these terror you gotta do this pause on the.

3880
03:28:22,520 --> 03:28:26,800
Speaker 1: Tariffs honestly, iconic you, KNOW i hate to say, it but.

3881
03:28:27,080 --> 03:28:30,480
Speaker 4: Iconic this was also all the FIRST trup administration, ran

3882
03:28:30,760 --> 03:28:32,920
Speaker 4: and everyone appears to have forgotten that this is how

3883
03:28:32,959 --> 03:28:34,400
Speaker 4: all of the shit works, well.

3884
03:28:34,280 --> 03:28:36,400
Speaker 1: Because there was a there were all those stories for

3885
03:28:36,440 --> 03:28:39,120
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks about how smooth and well

3886
03:28:39,200 --> 03:28:40,600
Speaker 1: run it was and everything.

3887
03:28:40,920 --> 03:28:45,039
Speaker 4: Slow, yeah and the many people assume that there was

3888
03:28:45,040 --> 03:28:47,240
Speaker 4: like a plan behind, this and, like, no, NO i

3889
03:28:47,320 --> 03:28:51,200
Speaker 4: am fucking. Vindicated they really are just this fucking, Stupid, like,

3890
03:28:51,280 --> 03:28:54,040
Speaker 4: no there is not a grand strategy behind this sort

3891
03:28:54,040 --> 03:28:55,160
Speaker 4: of like tariff.

3892
03:28:55,280 --> 03:28:55,680
Speaker 2: Rollout.

3893
03:28:55,760 --> 03:28:58,800
Speaker 4: Right there is a senile old man and his stupid warring,

3894
03:28:58,800 --> 03:29:02,160
Speaker 4: advisors and they're both fighting each other basically for like

3895
03:29:02,200 --> 03:29:04,600
Speaker 4: they're they're they're they're they're trying like they're they're trying

3896
03:29:04,600 --> 03:29:06,200
Speaker 4: to wait until the other persons out of the room

3897
03:29:06,240 --> 03:29:08,360
Speaker 4: so they can grab control of the fucking puppet. Rains

3898
03:29:09,520 --> 03:29:11,520
Speaker 4: but this this does actually lay bare something that's sort

3899
03:29:11,520 --> 03:29:13,320
Speaker 4: of important about, this which is that like there is

3900
03:29:13,320 --> 03:29:16,560
Speaker 4: a huge fight inside of The trump administration between kind

3901
03:29:16,600 --> 03:29:20,200
Speaker 4: of lutnik who's like the representative of a bunch of

3902
03:29:20,240 --> 03:29:22,880
Speaker 4: different sort of sectors Of american, capital, Right like he

3903
03:29:23,120 --> 03:29:27,080
Speaker 4: he's a representative of like you're fucking Like walgreens, dipshits,

3904
03:29:27,160 --> 03:29:29,440
Speaker 4: right and like he's also representative of the with the finance,

3905
03:29:29,480 --> 03:29:32,440
Speaker 4: people and those people are losing their fucking minds over

3906
03:29:32,440 --> 03:29:34,800
Speaker 4: the tariffs because it's again going to destroy the. Economy

3907
03:29:35,520 --> 03:29:38,480
Speaker 4: But navarro is you, know it's just like a hardline

3908
03:29:38,720 --> 03:29:42,040
Speaker 4: sort of like Anti china. Ideologue And navarro is the

3909
03:29:42,040 --> 03:29:45,200
Speaker 4: person who's been driving the most intense versions of these,

3910
03:29:45,240 --> 03:29:47,200
Speaker 4: tariffs and it's a real issue for everyone else in

3911
03:29:47,240 --> 03:29:49,879
Speaker 4: the administration who doesn't want this to, happen Because navarro

3912
03:29:50,040 --> 03:29:51,480
Speaker 4: is like the one guy in the administration and The

3913
03:29:51,520 --> 03:29:55,080
Speaker 4: trump actually likes and so they can't directly move against

3914
03:29:55,120 --> 03:29:57,440
Speaker 4: him because they. Lose Like Elon musk tried this and

3915
03:29:57,440 --> 03:30:00,920
Speaker 4: like it got. Nowhere and so you know what we've

3916
03:30:00,920 --> 03:30:05,000
Speaker 4: been seeing is is just like, again the tariff policy

3917
03:30:05,000 --> 03:30:06,879
Speaker 4: here is just being set by who's the last person

3918
03:30:06,879 --> 03:30:09,879
Speaker 4: in the room with. Him, yeah so we're probably still

3919
03:30:09,920 --> 03:30:13,119
Speaker 4: like about sixty days ish out from these terroists coming

3920
03:30:13,160 --> 03:30:15,480
Speaker 4: back into a. FACT i, mean this basically means like

3921
03:30:16,120 --> 03:30:18,120
Speaker 4: they'll be hitting in the, summer which is also just

3922
03:30:18,160 --> 03:30:22,040
Speaker 4: like absolutely the worst conceivable time for these terrors to

3923
03:30:22,080 --> 03:30:24,680
Speaker 4: take effect in terms of like if you were just

3924
03:30:24,680 --> 03:30:27,720
Speaker 4: like deliberately trying to cause a massive popular mobilization against.

3925
03:30:27,760 --> 03:30:28,560
Speaker 2: You this is what you would.

3926
03:30:28,600 --> 03:30:33,680
Speaker 4: Do they're not, that they're just, dumb but, like you,

3927
03:30:33,680 --> 03:30:36,840
Speaker 4: know so, okay let's most move on to the sort

3928
03:30:36,879 --> 03:30:39,480
Speaker 4: of big news of this week is the press has

3929
03:30:39,560 --> 03:30:44,040
Speaker 4: been carrying stories About trump backing off of the one

3930
03:30:44,120 --> 03:30:46,600
Speaker 4: hundred and forty five Percent china tariffs and the fact

3931
03:30:46,640 --> 03:30:48,600
Speaker 4: that there's gonna be negotiations and it's all going to

3932
03:30:48,640 --> 03:30:52,160
Speaker 4: get wound, down and, Like i'm pretty sure this is

3933
03:30:53,400 --> 03:30:56,520
Speaker 4: just kind of pure lutnik shit to try to calm

3934
03:30:56,520 --> 03:31:00,120
Speaker 4: the markets. Down the issue with this story is that

3935
03:31:00,280 --> 03:31:03,320
Speaker 4: there are no, negotiations. Right everyone keeps talking about how

3936
03:31:03,360 --> 03:31:05,400
Speaker 4: THE us is going to do negotiated settlement With. China

3937
03:31:05,440 --> 03:31:08,560
Speaker 4: there have not been any. Negotiations there are not. Negotiations

3938
03:31:08,720 --> 03:31:11,160
Speaker 4: there has not even been a process to start negotiations

3939
03:31:11,560 --> 03:31:14,000
Speaker 4: because you, know the last stories we had about this

3940
03:31:14,120 --> 03:31:16,440
Speaker 4: is that like neither side wants to be the person

3941
03:31:16,480 --> 03:31:19,640
Speaker 4: to like start going to the table because like asking

3942
03:31:19,680 --> 03:31:22,440
Speaker 4: the other side for negotiations makes them look. Weak Like

3943
03:31:22,840 --> 03:31:25,920
Speaker 4: trump has been Asking china to ask him to cert of.

3944
03:31:25,920 --> 03:31:30,160
Speaker 4: Negotiations The chinese are refusing And the second issue, here

3945
03:31:30,160 --> 03:31:32,120
Speaker 4: and this is the more substantive problem with with a

3946
03:31:32,160 --> 03:31:35,320
Speaker 4: sort of negotiated back, out is that The Trump navarro

3947
03:31:35,400 --> 03:31:40,120
Speaker 4: position hinges on the line that the trade deficit inherently

3948
03:31:40,720 --> 03:31:43,920
Speaker 4: like With, china is proof Of chinese market. Manipulation and

3949
03:31:43,959 --> 03:31:46,800
Speaker 4: the thing, is there's no actual way to systematically address

3950
03:31:46,879 --> 03:31:50,440
Speaker 4: that right like, That there's nothing that like Either china

3951
03:31:50,600 --> 03:31:53,040
Speaker 4: or THE us could do that would that would reverse

3952
03:31:53,080 --> 03:31:57,440
Speaker 4: the trade. Deficit so there's no sort of like you,

3953
03:31:57,480 --> 03:31:59,640
Speaker 4: know like, yeah like like the obvious way out here

3954
03:31:59,640 --> 03:32:01,440
Speaker 4: will be for Like trump to take some kind of

3955
03:32:01,480 --> 03:32:04,640
Speaker 4: weird symbolic victory and Like china to be like we're

3956
03:32:04,640 --> 03:32:06,600
Speaker 4: doing a fenntional crackdown or some. Shit but the thing, is,

3957
03:32:06,640 --> 03:32:10,720
Speaker 4: like ideologically for someone Like, navarro And navarro is the

3958
03:32:10,760 --> 03:32:13,840
Speaker 4: important figure, here Like navarro just Wants china destroy, it,

3959
03:32:14,000 --> 03:32:17,040
Speaker 4: Right there's no actual negotiating process that he can do

3960
03:32:17,800 --> 03:32:20,879
Speaker 4: that will actually sort of like make this like negotiation

3961
03:32:20,959 --> 03:32:24,400
Speaker 4: shit happen and have it actually like eliminited. Tariffs the

3962
03:32:24,440 --> 03:32:26,879
Speaker 4: only thing that can happen basically is a political battle

3963
03:32:26,879 --> 03:32:29,000
Speaker 4: inside of The trump administration Where davarro gets pushed out.

3964
03:32:29,040 --> 03:32:33,480
Speaker 4: Somehow but, Again navarro is Like trump's. Guy SO i

3965
03:32:34,080 --> 03:32:35,880
Speaker 4: just don't buy all of, this all of the fucking

3966
03:32:35,879 --> 03:32:36,520
Speaker 4: stories that are coming.

3967
03:32:36,520 --> 03:32:37,080
Speaker 9: Out and this happens.

3968
03:32:37,120 --> 03:32:38,879
Speaker 4: Constantly every single time there's one of these, things there's

3969
03:32:38,879 --> 03:32:40,959
Speaker 4: all these stories being, like well they're gonna get rolled.

3970
03:32:40,959 --> 03:32:42,640
Speaker 4: Back it doesn't actually mean, this and that just. Happens,

3971
03:32:42,720 --> 03:32:45,400
Speaker 4: right we have one hundred and forty five percent rais On. China,

3972
03:32:45,520 --> 03:32:47,080
Speaker 4: now the last THING i want to talk about is

3973
03:32:47,120 --> 03:32:49,440
Speaker 4: what the actual effects of this has. Been and the

3974
03:32:49,480 --> 03:32:51,560
Speaker 4: effect is that it has. Been there's been a massive

3975
03:32:51,879 --> 03:32:56,120
Speaker 4: slow down and a massive like shutdown in in exports

3976
03:32:56,200 --> 03:32:59,400
Speaker 4: From china to THE, us like internship container ship. Traffic,

3977
03:32:59,480 --> 03:33:02,600
Speaker 4: right we're talking talking About i'm just gonna quote FROM cnbc.

3978
03:33:02,760 --> 03:33:05,039
Speaker 4: Here so they're talking About, optimizer which is like a

3979
03:33:05,040 --> 03:33:07,720
Speaker 4: tracking system for, ships and they, said, quote year on,

3980
03:33:07,920 --> 03:33:10,920
Speaker 4: year the data shows a forty four percent drop in

3981
03:33:11,000 --> 03:33:14,120
Speaker 4: vessels schedule to arrive the week Of may fourth To may.

3982
03:33:14,160 --> 03:33:17,320
Speaker 4: Tenth now that that's not actually necessarily a forty percent

3983
03:33:17,560 --> 03:33:22,800
Speaker 4: drop in, traffic because there'll be more shit when like

3984
03:33:22,879 --> 03:33:26,360
Speaker 4: other boats get. Full but you, know to put this into, perspective,

3985
03:33:26,440 --> 03:33:29,120
Speaker 4: right during the worst for, trade the worst parts of

3986
03:33:29,120 --> 03:33:30,879
Speaker 4: THE covid lockdowns the year and a year drop was

3987
03:33:30,879 --> 03:33:34,119
Speaker 4: only twenty, Percent so and twenty percent is the number

3988
03:33:34,160 --> 03:33:35,720
Speaker 4: that's been that's been being spread around the media for

3989
03:33:35,800 --> 03:33:38,000
Speaker 4: like what roughly the drop looks like for some companies

3990
03:33:38,080 --> 03:33:41,520
Speaker 4: is larger than. Others and, again the, tariff we still

3991
03:33:41,520 --> 03:33:44,440
Speaker 4: haven't even seen the actual shocks of the tariffs, yet

3992
03:33:45,000 --> 03:33:48,160
Speaker 4: and we're already seeing a decline in experts From china

3993
03:33:48,200 --> 03:33:51,879
Speaker 4: that is like again around the level of the. Lockdowns

3994
03:33:52,280 --> 03:33:54,280
Speaker 4: and and you, KNOW i think like people remember like

3995
03:33:54,320 --> 03:33:58,680
Speaker 4: the kind of unhinged shit that that, caused, right and

3996
03:33:59,000 --> 03:34:01,360
Speaker 4: that's something that always only going to. Intensify and the

3997
03:34:01,400 --> 03:34:03,520
Speaker 4: other part of, this right is that the strategies right

3998
03:34:03,560 --> 03:34:05,840
Speaker 4: now for how this is being dealt with is moving Through,

3999
03:34:05,920 --> 03:34:09,520
Speaker 4: vietnam moving Through. Cambodia but if you remember the rates

4000
03:34:09,840 --> 03:34:13,680
Speaker 4: from the original sort of like turf tariffs From Liberation, day,

4001
03:34:13,800 --> 03:34:16,240
Speaker 4: right like the terif On vietnam was like one hundred

4002
03:34:16,240 --> 03:34:18,200
Speaker 4: percent or some, shit it was like eighty. PERCENT i don't,

4003
03:34:18,200 --> 03:34:22,359
Speaker 4: remember zap my. Head but like there's no actual viable

4004
03:34:22,400 --> 03:34:25,400
Speaker 4: strategy of just of ways you can route these goods

4005
03:34:25,440 --> 03:34:29,360
Speaker 4: through and it's been especially hitting the sort of drop shipping, companies,

4006
03:34:29,440 --> 03:34:31,480
Speaker 4: right like people Like temu and anything that relies on

4007
03:34:31,520 --> 03:34:34,520
Speaker 4: airfhrase just getting. Fucked and so this this is all

4008
03:34:34,640 --> 03:34:36,960
Speaker 4: just you, know just sort of rolling in the, background

4009
03:34:37,160 --> 03:34:40,920
Speaker 4: is just this logistics, crisis and it's it's it's also

4010
03:34:40,959 --> 03:34:42,520
Speaker 4: an echoing. Crisis and this THING i actually want to

4011
03:34:42,520 --> 03:34:46,240
Speaker 4: close this section on is, That, like so the big

4012
03:34:46,360 --> 03:34:49,520
Speaker 4: issue with with these sort of empty, boats, right and

4013
03:34:49,560 --> 03:34:52,360
Speaker 4: these cancelations at boat, waters is that in order for

4014
03:34:52,400 --> 03:34:55,080
Speaker 4: it to be, profitable because all of these these shipping

4015
03:34:55,080 --> 03:34:58,720
Speaker 4: companies run on such low, margins, right they only barely

4016
03:34:58,760 --> 03:35:00,920
Speaker 4: survived the pandemic by taking out a series of just

4017
03:35:00,920 --> 03:35:03,959
Speaker 4: like unhinged sort of like weird collateral based. Loans and

4018
03:35:04,000 --> 03:35:06,160
Speaker 4: in order for these companies to be, profitable they have

4019
03:35:06,200 --> 03:35:09,320
Speaker 4: to continuously keep on completely filling up.

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Speaker 9: Ships.

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Speaker 4: Right if a ship is not, full it is not

4022
03:35:11,120 --> 03:35:13,440
Speaker 4: profitable for them to run, it, so you, know and

4023
03:35:14,000 --> 03:35:17,320
Speaker 4: if that's if that's not, happening the entire system literally

4024
03:35:17,320 --> 03:35:19,520
Speaker 4: grinds to a halt until there's enough orders to move things.

4025
03:35:19,560 --> 03:35:22,520
Speaker 4: Through so even the ship that there is demand, for,

4026
03:35:22,760 --> 03:35:26,240
Speaker 4: right can't be shipped because these shipping companies cannot afford

4027
03:35:26,320 --> 03:35:29,440
Speaker 4: to unless the entire thing is. Full so the supply

4028
03:35:29,480 --> 03:35:31,000
Speaker 4: chain disruptions that we are going to see from, this

4029
03:35:31,400 --> 03:35:33,280
Speaker 4: as this sort of escalus and as this, continues and

4030
03:35:33,360 --> 03:35:36,600
Speaker 4: especially in a few months if the liberation dataies go

4031
03:35:36,640 --> 03:35:39,680
Speaker 4: back into, effect are, Catastrophic and we really, like it's

4032
03:35:39,720 --> 03:35:41,360
Speaker 4: just what it's this. Way you can hear the, thunder

4033
03:35:41,400 --> 03:35:43,800
Speaker 4: you can see the, lightning but the storm hasn't hit,

4034
03:35:43,879 --> 03:35:46,440
Speaker 4: yet and it is going to and when it, DOES

4035
03:35:47,600 --> 03:35:49,360
Speaker 4: i don't. KNOW i was trying to do a poetic

4036
03:35:49,360 --> 03:35:51,040
Speaker 4: thing about how we're all going to get fucking, drenched

4037
03:35:51,080 --> 03:35:54,840
Speaker 4: but we're. Fucked it's going to be unbelievably. Bad and

4038
03:35:54,879 --> 03:35:57,400
Speaker 4: the only process right now inside of the administration that

4039
03:35:57,440 --> 03:36:03,760
Speaker 4: doesn't involve like some kind of mobilization is, like, again

4040
03:36:03,920 --> 03:36:07,600
Speaker 4: Is leutnik winning this fucking intra intra administration political battle With?

4041
03:36:07,640 --> 03:36:12,640
Speaker 4: Navarro so, woo, well pre order Your nintendo switch too right.

4042
03:36:12,680 --> 03:36:19,240
Speaker 10: Now. Yes in other, news The Minnesota Attorney general is

4043
03:36:19,280 --> 03:36:22,400
Speaker 10: assuming The trump headmin over the executive order about trans

4044
03:36:22,400 --> 03:36:26,440
Speaker 10: women participating in school, sports saying he will quote not

4045
03:36:26,480 --> 03:36:30,480
Speaker 10: to participate in a shameful bullying and also says that

4046
03:36:30,560 --> 03:36:34,640
Speaker 10: this order violates The Minnesota Human Rights. Act so we'll

4047
03:36:34,680 --> 03:36:37,920
Speaker 10: see some more court cases over this in the weeks to.

4048
03:36:38,080 --> 03:36:41,400
Speaker 10: Come i'd like to talk a little bit about the

4049
03:36:41,440 --> 03:36:45,320
Speaker 10: student crackdowns For palestine, protests kind of in a different

4050
03:36:45,320 --> 03:36:49,120
Speaker 10: way like we've, discussed LIKE ice going after and detaining

4051
03:36:49,160 --> 03:36:53,240
Speaker 10: and deporting and taking away visas and green, cards so

4052
03:36:53,400 --> 03:36:56,440
Speaker 10: unrelated to that side of. It on the morning Of,

4053
03:36:56,520 --> 03:36:59,959
Speaker 10: Wednesday april twenty, third THE fbi served multiple search war

4054
03:37:00,520 --> 03:37:05,440
Speaker 10: in Southeast, michigan presumably related To palestine protests and encampments

4055
03:37:05,720 --> 03:37:09,040
Speaker 10: from the past. Year there's also some reporting of law

4056
03:37:09,120 --> 03:37:12,840
Speaker 10: enforcement activity in other states Like, pennsylvania But i'm still

4057
03:37:12,879 --> 03:37:16,160
Speaker 10: waiting to confirm. That the press secretary for The Michigan

4058
03:37:16,200 --> 03:37:20,359
Speaker 10: Attorney general confirms investigators executed search warrants for three. Homes

4059
03:37:20,680 --> 03:37:24,199
Speaker 10: he said that people were briefly detained during the execution

4060
03:37:24,240 --> 03:37:27,280
Speaker 10: of these, warrants but they were all eventually, released and he,

4061
03:37:27,400 --> 03:37:31,120
Speaker 10: noted quote there is no immigration enforcement angle to the

4062
03:37:31,120 --> 03:37:35,080
Speaker 10: execution of these search warrants, unquote so these people aren't

4063
03:37:35,080 --> 03:37:38,959
Speaker 10: being investigated BY ice to get deported. Necessarily this is

4064
03:37:38,959 --> 03:37:42,840
Speaker 10: seemingly for other protest. ACTIVITY a Pro palestine student group

4065
03:37:42,879 --> 03:37:45,480
Speaker 10: says that these rates happened at around eight. Am. Quote

4066
03:37:45,600 --> 03:37:49,000
Speaker 10: early this, morning police AN fbi agents rated for residences

4067
03:37:49,360 --> 03:37:53,840
Speaker 10: of The university Of michigan Pro palestine, protesters refusing to show.

4068
03:37:53,879 --> 03:37:58,000
Speaker 10: Warrants they seized all electronics and a number of personal. Belongings.

4069
03:37:58,360 --> 03:38:03,120
Speaker 10: Quote let's close this episode by returning to my Most

4070
03:38:03,400 --> 03:38:08,760
Speaker 10: Stephen Colbert Skibbity biden, Segment Stinky, musk which is still

4071
03:38:08,800 --> 03:38:11,800
Speaker 10: the worst Name i've come up. With Last, Tuesday Elon

4072
03:38:11,879 --> 03:38:14,320
Speaker 10: musk said that quote working for the government to get

4073
03:38:14,320 --> 03:38:18,160
Speaker 10: the financial house in order is mostly done, Unquote So

4074
03:38:18,320 --> 03:38:20,680
Speaker 10: musk is moving closer to stepping back FROM doge this,

4075
03:38:21,000 --> 03:38:24,039
Speaker 10: may around the time that his special Government employee designation

4076
03:38:24,320 --> 03:38:27,960
Speaker 10: is set to. Expire reporting From Washington post claims That

4077
03:38:28,040 --> 03:38:32,320
Speaker 10: musk is growing tired of the vicious and unethical attacks

4078
03:38:32,360 --> 03:38:35,000
Speaker 10: from the left and that is kind of dragging on,

4079
03:38:35,080 --> 03:38:38,360
Speaker 10: him with other reports suggesting That musk is annoying Other

4080
03:38:38,480 --> 03:38:42,800
Speaker 10: cabinet members and administration officials more Than trump. Himself in,

4081
03:38:42,840 --> 03:38:46,760
Speaker 10: fact just This, wednesday a few hours before, Recording musk And,

4082
03:38:46,840 --> 03:38:50,040
Speaker 10: bessett we're having a pretty intense shouting match in The White.

4083
03:38:50,040 --> 03:38:53,400
Speaker 10: House going, Forward musk says that he plans to work

4084
03:38:53,400 --> 03:38:56,400
Speaker 10: for the government about one to two days a week

4085
03:38:56,520 --> 03:38:59,040
Speaker 10: for the remainder of The trump presidency so that he

4086
03:38:59,080 --> 03:39:01,800
Speaker 10: can quote make sure that the waste and fraud that

4087
03:39:01,840 --> 03:39:04,000
Speaker 10: we've stopped does not come roaring.

4088
03:39:04,120 --> 03:39:04,360
Speaker 6: Back.

4089
03:39:04,760 --> 03:39:07,400
Speaker 10: Quote he keeps referring to his work At dogs like

4090
03:39:07,480 --> 03:39:10,640
Speaker 10: being already, completed, essentially like we already found all of the,

4091
03:39:10,640 --> 03:39:12,200
Speaker 10: fraud and now we just have to make sure more

4092
03:39:12,240 --> 03:39:16,879
Speaker 10: fraud doesn't. Happen we've previously reported on the alleged fraud

4093
03:39:16,920 --> 03:39:20,000
Speaker 10: that he claims to have found and the false numbers

4094
03:39:20,160 --> 03:39:22,320
Speaker 10: up on The doge. Site but it seems like this

4095
03:39:22,360 --> 03:39:25,400
Speaker 10: work really is like winding down the Musk doge like

4096
03:39:25,480 --> 03:39:27,560
Speaker 10: reply to this email with five things you've done this

4097
03:39:27,600 --> 03:39:30,879
Speaker 10: week or else be. Fired directive has essentially sputted out

4098
03:39:30,920 --> 03:39:33,120
Speaker 10: senior officials do not comply with the core aspects of the.

4099
03:39:33,160 --> 03:39:36,920
Speaker 10: Directive it was never really, enforced and The Trump office

4100
03:39:36,920 --> 03:39:40,360
Speaker 10: Of Personal management later said that this was voluntary and

4101
03:39:40,400 --> 03:39:44,080
Speaker 10: THAT opium officials may have never actually ever read those

4102
03:39:44,160 --> 03:39:48,880
Speaker 10: response emails at. All though a small number of agencies

4103
03:39:48,879 --> 03:39:52,800
Speaker 10: are still requiring compliance with this, mandate and in some fun,

4104
03:39:52,840 --> 03:39:56,520
Speaker 10: News tesla stock just continues to, decline dropping to half

4105
03:39:56,560 --> 03:40:00,520
Speaker 10: its peak from Last december and Anti testla vandalism potentially

4106
03:40:00,560 --> 03:40:04,440
Speaker 10: spiking the cost Of tesla. Insurance tesla had a just

4107
03:40:04,520 --> 03:40:08,879
Speaker 10: disastrous earnings call This, Tuesday april twenty, second showing That

4108
03:40:08,959 --> 03:40:13,360
Speaker 10: tesla profits have fell seventy one percent over the first

4109
03:40:13,480 --> 03:40:16,640
Speaker 10: three months of the. Year the total revenue was decreased

4110
03:40:16,720 --> 03:40:19,640
Speaker 10: nine percent compared to twenty twenty, four with car sales

4111
03:40:19,680 --> 03:40:23,120
Speaker 10: revenue dropping twenty percent compared to a year. Earlier The

4112
03:40:23,200 --> 03:40:27,120
Speaker 10: TESLA cfo stated that quote the negative impact of vandalism

4113
03:40:27,160 --> 03:40:31,440
Speaker 10: and unwarranted hostility towards our brand and our people had

4114
03:40:31,480 --> 03:40:36,080
Speaker 10: an impact in certain markets. Unquote in a company statement

4115
03:40:36,160 --> 03:40:39,400
Speaker 10: before this earnings, Call tesla claimed that quote, unquote a

4116
03:40:39,520 --> 03:40:45,160
Speaker 10: changing political sentiment could impact demand for their. Product musk

4117
03:40:45,160 --> 03:40:47,080
Speaker 10: announced that he would be shifting his attention back To

4118
03:40:47,120 --> 03:40:51,360
Speaker 10: tesla and that His doge time allocation will quote unquote drop.

4119
03:40:51,480 --> 03:40:57,000
Speaker 10: Significantly musk talked tariffs on this earnings call and tried

4120
03:40:57,000 --> 03:41:01,360
Speaker 10: to carefully like not Bash, trump whilst stating concerns over

4121
03:41:01,400 --> 03:41:04,160
Speaker 10: the high, tariffs saying, Quote i've been on the record

4122
03:41:04,200 --> 03:41:07,480
Speaker 10: many times as SAYING i believe lower tariffs are generally

4123
03:41:07,520 --> 03:41:10,440
Speaker 10: a good, idea but this decision is fundamentally up to

4124
03:41:10,440 --> 03:41:13,280
Speaker 10: the elected representative of the, people being The president of

4125
03:41:13,320 --> 03:41:16,560
Speaker 10: The United. States so you, Know i'll continue to advocate

4126
03:41:16,600 --> 03:41:18,680
Speaker 10: for lower, tariffs but that's ALL i can.

4127
03:41:18,760 --> 03:41:18,960
Speaker 11: Do.

4128
03:41:19,520 --> 03:41:24,480
Speaker 10: Unquote any thoughts On musk And tesla here before we.

4129
03:41:24,520 --> 03:41:27,760
Speaker 4: Close, yeah one THING i want to remind everyone that

4130
03:41:27,879 --> 03:41:31,040
Speaker 4: is genuinely good news is that the thing About tesla

4131
03:41:31,120 --> 03:41:34,400
Speaker 4: sales dropping is that it actually fucks them in two different,

4132
03:41:34,440 --> 03:41:36,480
Speaker 4: ways right because because again most of the most of

4133
03:41:36,520 --> 03:41:39,080
Speaker 4: their money is from these carbon credits that they're. Selling

4134
03:41:39,400 --> 03:41:40,640
Speaker 4: but the thing, is in order to be able to

4135
03:41:40,640 --> 03:41:42,360
Speaker 4: get the carbon, credits they do need to be able

4136
03:41:42,400 --> 03:41:46,119
Speaker 4: to sell cars. Totally and so each like subsequent cycle

4137
03:41:46,120 --> 03:41:48,920
Speaker 4: of people not buying cars is also destroying their carbon credit,

4138
03:41:48,959 --> 03:41:51,240
Speaker 4: subsidies which is like this sort of like spiraling like

4139
03:41:51,600 --> 03:41:55,400
Speaker 4: cash crisis. Thing so you, know, look Zero tesla sales as,

4140
03:41:55,480 --> 03:41:57,720
Speaker 4: possible we can keep driving.

4141
03:41:57,879 --> 03:42:00,800
Speaker 10: Of better world as, possible can destroy these.

4142
03:42:00,840 --> 03:42:03,959
Speaker 2: Bastards we can ruin.

4143
03:42:04,040 --> 03:42:08,520
Speaker 4: This one guy specifically's, life and it's not even that.

4144
03:42:08,680 --> 03:42:12,959
Speaker 4: Difficult so, yeah, well we reported the.

4145
03:42:12,959 --> 03:42:15,360
Speaker 2: News we reported the.

4146
03:42:15,400 --> 03:42:23,400
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4147
03:42:23,440 --> 03:42:25,160
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4148
03:42:25,240 --> 03:42:28,560
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