WEBVTT - Uptown Boy with Curt Mega 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.439 And that's what you Really missed with Jenna. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.119 And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.520 Welcome to you, and That's what you Really miss podcast. 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.600 We have a warbler. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:17.800 Like sort of the og Warbler. 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:20.000 Yeah, for sure, there's like a few of them, and 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.439 he's he's one of them. We have Kurt Mega here 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:30.120 nick Nick the Warbler. It looks like he had a name. 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:32.680 Yes, And we find out all kinds of things that 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.440 we did not know because, as you learned, the Warblers 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.440 were like very separate from the new directions in US 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:42.879 in terms of filming, location terms, even like schedules, yeah, everything. 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:48.520 Kurt is the sweetest, He's so talented and just great 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:50.920 to catch up with him. So here is Kurt Mega. 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:56.040 Yoho, Hello, what's up? 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:57.480 How are you? 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.080 I'm doing pretty good man a while? 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:04.120 Are the rumors true? Are you still working with Star Kid? 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:05.680 Oh yeah, we're in. 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.200 We're like knee deep and we just started a new 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.200 show Monday. And I also do a lot of directing 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:15.200 and producing for them as well. So we did a 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.320 big old kickstarter for our last show. We just raised 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.560 like six hundred grand, which was, oh my god, amazing. 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:21.839 It was like our biggest one yet. 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.440 So it's great, honest, And. 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.360 Was that thanks to the like you guys meeting on 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.280 said and doing the Warblers that you got linked up with. 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.160 That first convo I ever had with Darren was like 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.600 him being like, oh dude, I'm running songs for the 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.319 show and I'm like, they're mad because I haven't finished everything. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:40.399 Uh and yeah he was, he was. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:42.600 Uh yeah, he was the one who introduced me to 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.200 all of them, and so yeah, it's kind of become 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.880 my like creative fan here in La. 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:48.920 So yeah, it's it's rad. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:52.280 And we're also making a first episodic thing that I'm 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.840 I'm co producing and directing. So yeah, it's like there's 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.560 so many ties to what I do. How to like 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.000 back then, it's it's kind of actually. 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.880 That's so good though. Also that was a very good 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:08.120 impression of Darren. Thank you, thank you. If you haven't 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.120 had a conversation with there, it was like, just do 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.000 this thing, but I didn't do it yet, but every time, 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.280 that's right, let's take it back to the beginning. 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.160 Yes, how did this all start out for you? 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.519 I don't know if you guys remember this at all, 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.640 but they did a MySpace contest. Ye, I don't know 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.760 if you're aware of shout out to Eddie who I know, 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:33.160 you know, Kevin Eddie Winkler, and he was like, hey, 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.040 I know, like it's a weird thing. Obviously I'd rather 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:37.960 you go in for it like regularly, but like why not, 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.280 why not just put yourself on tape for it? So 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.520 I did and uh, and then like months went by 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.000 and then I got a call out of the blue 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.040 one day and they were like, hey, like Udik wants 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.359 to see you like today, and so I was like, okay, So. 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:50.720 I went in. 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.600 That sounds right, And it was hard to figure out 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:55.720 initially what it was and I realized, Okay, I think 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.520 I'm testing for the show, and it was for it 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.560 was for the role that would become. And so that 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.320 was a weird week where like I went to Twentyeth 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.440 was working with like Brad Ellis on the piano. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:07.920 I mean, we were like doing all kinds of stuff. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.560 Actually, once I once I once you I got the 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.400 email about this, I was like going through my voice 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:17.480 memos and I like found my like rehearsals singing like billionaire. 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:18.760 At like. 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:23.400 Yeah, and then we did this, We did the fin 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.000 sides and then at that test there was like court obviously, 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:28.600 but there was like some other people there too. There 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.079 was my uh yeah, there's just a bunch of there's 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.880 like four or five of the guys there. And then 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.560 Tested was terrified because it was just like every at 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.480 the time, this is what's crazy is at the time, 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.480 that was like coming out of season one, and so 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.280 I mean it was the you know, it was like 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:46.520 I couldn't have matter. 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:47.520 It was the biggest thing on I. 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:48.960 It was very and I I had only been in 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:50.720 La for like a few months, so it was like, 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.440 oh my god, yeah, it's very intimidated. Yeah, and to 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:56.840 walk into a room with like and it was just everybody, 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.520 you know, and it went really well. And then and 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.920 they went to different direction obviously in Kor got the 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.080 part and he was great. At the time, it was 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.600 supposed to be it's supposed to be k Kurt's boyfriend. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.560 That was the whole the whole thing they told us 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.280 of like this is the love interest or whatever. Anyway, 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.400 So then fast forward a few months later and then 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.680 I think I can't remember, but I think I also 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:19.440 taped for Blaine. 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:20.960 Didn't get it. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.039 And then and then once again in like November, I 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:24.480 got a call. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.560 They were like, okay, so they want. 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.719 To see you today, and I went in, I read 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.520 for you know whatever Warbler, and then the next week 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:33.640 there I was on set. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:39.359 So that the hustle, it sounds like so familiar to 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.600 a lot of the people that we've talked to. You're 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.600 not here for this one, but we'll bring you back 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.200 for this one. But they don't tell you that. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:48.719 They knew they wanted you, just didn't know where you 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:49.960 fit in yet. Yeah, exactly. 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.760 Well what's also so weird is that when I you know, 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.880 when I first booked, I mean it was a one episode, 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:57.040 one line co. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.000 Star, right, which is like, you know, I was stoked. 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.200 It's like, hey, I'm this is my it was my 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.200 first thing I'd ever done, like on camera at l 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:05.960 So I was just like, I'm just happy to be here. 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.320 And then and then that somehow turned into doing I 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.200 think it was like fifteen or sixteen episodes, and you know, 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:13.920 I got to sing and became a guest star and 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:15.600 stuff and got to go on tour with you. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.479 Guys, which is, yeah, the coolest things I've ever done. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.880 And yeah, and so in so many ways, it just 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.239 like was this thing that kept opening more and more doors. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.920 It was sort of emotionally strange to never know where 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:27.160 where I was with it. 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.400 So every time you did an episode, it was just 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:30.840 that episode. 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.480 Yeah, and we'd always we'd always be like, all right, well, 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.599 this has been fun, guys, and then and then you know, 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:40.320 they call us a few weeks later and you'd be like, 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.480 oh shit, we're back, We're back. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:44.760 Crazy. 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.080 And then I remember at the Glee tour in LA 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.320 and Ryan pulled me aside and was like, I'm gonna 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.800 you're gonna have a song next season. I'm getting a song, 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.960 and I was like what and then and then it 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:58.640 happened and I got to do Uptown Girl. 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.160 So yeah, it was just it was always a mystery. 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.200 Yeah, never knew what I was. 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.480 Doing with the show. Wow. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:07.640 But at the same time, I think it kind of 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.720 kept it kind of kept us sort of grateful and 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.440 just like, oh my god, we're back, and it never 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.800 felt like there was an expectation. 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.760 So yeah, at some point, like you guys became like 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:24.000 this your own entity on the show fully. 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.479 And like a real band. 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.400 Yeah, and then only recently have like with this rewatch, 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.279 have we been like oh wow, like they were awesome 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:35.360 and I think we were just so wrapped up in 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:38.520 all of the chaos of it all that like you 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:43.359 was crazy, but you guys did like like talk shows 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.160 and like performances and like things out on the road. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.039 Like it's just so crazy how it became this like oh, 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.760 your your own like little thing, it's so cool. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.040 It was always I think that the challenging thing for 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.719 us was always we didn't I know, amongst like Riker 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:01.839 Entireis and Domino, those guys, like, we were always like, 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:03.960 we don't want to ever act like we're doing more 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.320 than we are. But then people would ask us to 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.039 come to things and we'd be like, is that is 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:08.560 that okay? 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.400 Like we're not. We're just we're just guests on the show. 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.680 We're not. And so it was always this strange kind 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:15.800 of pull and tug. 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:17.320 Of like I don't want to go out there and 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.240 be like, oh my god, I'm such It's like no, I'm, I'm, 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:20.960 i am. 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.160 We are in service of this much bigger thing. 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.080 But I think going on tour I think kind of 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.360 helped solidify a little bit of like, oh my god, 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.080 like we kind of feel like we belong a little 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:34.400 bit totally. Also doing tour, I had such a positive 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.440 experience doing that because it felt like the pressure of 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.240 you know, just the crazy hours and you know, as 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:40.640 you know, doing doing the show. 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.080 I mean, you guys, it was crazy for us. 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.240 I can't even imagine what that was like for you 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:46.760 guys for so many years, but. 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.560 To tour felt like a chance to just just hang out. 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:50.760 And I don't know, I had. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.760 I had a blast and a lot of those relationships 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.320 for them, and I'm still I'm truly still like best 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.320 friends with like Titus and like domb and like those 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.200 are like some of my serious friends in the world. 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.119 So I think a lot of that chemistry that people 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.040 were responding to, even though we didn't have a lot 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.600 of a lot of dialogue or whatever. I think it 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.120 was just people responding to us actually being friends and 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:13.400 like having a blast together. 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:15.160 That's what I like to. 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.760 Think fully, and also being around you guys. That was 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.920 also the experience of when you were saying, you guys 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.640 were just like grateful to be there. You're like, sure, 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.360 this may be a one and done or maybe a 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:28.720 two and done, but it always. 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:29.080 Felt like that. 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.720 I never felt like you guys came in there and 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.480 we're like, we're the shit now, even though the Warblers 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.440 did become the shit. Yeah, and everybody wanted you guys 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.559 from the first episode, and so the last episode that 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.520 you guys were in, it always felt like the energy 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.920 from you guys was so wholesome and it was like 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.360 they're the nicest people and they check ourselves like we're 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:49.160 terrible people. 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:53.160 They're so nice and they're so good, and that chemistry 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:53.960 was very real. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.440 And like seeing you guys on tour, you had your 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.680 own dressing room, it was very much It just felt 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.400 like the what was your a real band, like our 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.679 own little like cover bands together, Yeah, and were like 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:07.920 love each other and supported each other, and it was 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:12.320 really nice to just see that blossom between all of 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:13.280 you well. 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.080 And I always appreciated it. You know, it was I 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.040 think Darren. I I will always say this about Darren. 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.280 He would just every step chance he got, he would 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.440 go out of his way to like talk us up 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.600 to people. I remember, like, you know, we'd be on 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:30.240 set and you know, Ryana walked by and dared to 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.079 be like, oh, ry did you know like Rikers like 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:33.640 in his band is like they're they're doing a thing, 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.160 or did you know like Kurt's like he would just 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.160 like and you know that's and he could do that 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.280 for us because we were in this little group together, right, 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.520 And I just I remember thinking at the time, like 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.920 that really meant a lot to me because you know, 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:47.680 that's an intimidating. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:47.840 Set to walk on. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.560 If as a first thing, it's just a lot, you know, 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.600 And even now having done a lot of other television work, 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.120 nothing has ever come close to that level of like 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.800 just the scope and the pressure and the like. Actually, 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:02.640 no I did. I did an episode of nine one 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:03.760 one and it felt the same. 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:08.160 I was like, Ryan Show is basically we're back. 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.839 I've done this before. 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:15.120 I guess, well, it's like that sense of like there's 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:16.800 a lot of ship that has to get done in 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.040 a very short period of time like that that pressure 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.480 and so having somebody, having somebody there to kind of 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.280 just be that voice for us was just a really 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.160 really made that It was really it's a gift that 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.600 I'll never like, I'll never I'll never be not be 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:31.120 grateful for. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.640 You know. It really did feel like the leader on 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:38.240 set and like on the screen totally. Yeah, of the Warblers, Yeah, 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.040 he was like, you're the dad. He took care of 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:41.880 It's just good energy all the time. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.439 He was like he was actually genuinely happy to be there, 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:49.439 where us fools were like acting like yeah exactly. Darren 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.480 like was genuinely just happy to be there all the time. 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.280 And sometimes it's just so annoying because you're like just 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.040 shut up, like he's you're like too happy right now. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.760 But I tell I'm one of my things that I do, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.040 I just to joby job stuff is I'm I work 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:04.440 with a lot of actors, and I coach and I 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.240 teach a lot, and I'm always like, look like it's 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:08.240 awesome being on set. 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.880 It's it's great. It's great to book the job, but 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:11.520 it is a. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.720 Grind that you don't know until you're there. I mean, 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.679 and it sounds like, oh, I'm just I'm doing it. 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:18.959 It's like yeah, but like cut to three four years 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.880 in and yeah, it's awesome, but it is a it's 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.520 a grind, man, and so yeah, I mean, and you 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.880 guys were just constantly I remember, you know, we were 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:28.920 just there to do our one song, but you guys 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.839 would be hopping into learn this choreo and then you're 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:33.600 off to shoot this scene and then you're you know, 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:34.480 just it was it. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:35.520 Was a lot, and I don't. 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.840 I think a lot of times maybe people don't recognize 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:43.480 how challenging like product a production schedule really is. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:44.920 I mean, it's really nuts. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.400 It's a whole different skill set that it's probably also 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.120 really good for you coaching people to have been on 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:55.240 a show with that grueling schedule, because it's like you 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.360 do all the acting prep, you do all that stuff 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.240 you know, to get the job, and then and there's 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:04.480 like how do I mediate my energy levels and all 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:08.760 of that on twelve hour sixteen hour days repeatedly hopefully 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:09.760 for years, right. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.840 And it's also like not about being just oh it 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.160 was my take so good. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.320 It's like, dude, just show up picture mark, do the thing, 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.679 and we can all go home early, like that's the job. 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.760 And a lot of people don't. I think it's it's 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.439 it's not indulgent, which which is like I think surprising 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.640 for a lot of artists who are like, wait, it's 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:27.600 not about me all the time. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.199 It's like no challenging. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:31.120 For actors to realize. 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:36.400 Speaking of schedules, like what was the Warblers schedule? Like 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.640 like from the time you would would you get this 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.679 full script or would you just get this song, Like 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:41.720 what was that like for you? 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.480 And completely varied, Like the first few episodes, it was 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.720 just like, hey, you're showing up at this time, and 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:48.680 here's the song you're doing. 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:52.360 But then like the first episode, Wow, I think what. 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.000 I did when I had when I sang when I 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.720 sang Uptown Girl, they like sent someone to my house 0:12:57.760 --> 0:12:59.000 with a script and I was like. 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.200 Oh yeah, drop them on the doorstep. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:02.440 Yeah. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.080 And so then we got a full script for that, 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.200 and then I think from then on because from that 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.280 point on, I was like contractually a guest star, and 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:11.480 then I started getting. 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:12.320 Scripts in advance. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.199 Yeah, So I don't know, it varied, but the schedule 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:20.720 was always interesting because I mean it would be often 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.200 maybe choreo the day before, maybe sometimes the day of, 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:26.160 and then I. 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:29.000 Remember long like an hour two hours. 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:33.160 Yeah, I mean maybe two three hours tight, And I think, 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.240 what too is? You know? I mean, Kevin, I know 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.000 you're an awesome dancer, Jenna, I don't know if you're 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:38.280 a dancer. 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:39.600 I actually don't know this. Are you a dancer? 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:41.520 I grew up I grew up dancing in the I'm 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.160 a theater dancer, So you know, I can like I 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:45.280 can pick up my moves. 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:45.840 That's about it. 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:46.600 Yeah, need it. 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.280 Well, First that first few seasons, you know, our audition 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:51.520 was like step touch. 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.240 It was like great mine, step touch. 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.920 And then at some point they were like what if 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.840 they just all danced like full out and it was 0:13:57.920 --> 0:13:58.760 like cool. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.440 Then they started to bring in all these dancers who 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:09.520 are like so you think along. I remember like being like, uh. 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:13.120 Hey when we auditioned Loki, like we were not doing 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.400 this and Riker is an amazing dancer. 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.559 So Ryker was like I'm fine and I was like, okay, cool. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:18.400 But the rest of. 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:24.320 Us and I remember like it getting progressively. And there 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.360 was one episode that Mandy Moore directed or not directed, choreographed, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.160 and nobody told her this was the I think it 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:32.320 was the Love Songs. 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:32.640 One or whatever. 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.720 Nobody told us that several of us were movers at best, 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:41.080 and so I'll never forget. She got understandably frustrated because 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.320 she was like what why because she was just like 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:44.080 choreo and. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.320 We meet there dancers, it was. 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:47.880 Like an hour before we were shooting. It was like 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:48.560 here's the combo. 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.760 And I remember like John and I who was like 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:53.720 the beatbox guy, and we're just in the back and 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.440 like yo I and uh so. 0:14:58.360 --> 0:14:58.400 I. 0:14:58.640 --> 0:14:59.280 It was so funny. 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.560 The more we went on, the less rehearsal we got. 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.760 I think at the beginning it was like assumed there'd 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.400 be more time. But I think the craziest day was 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.080 the Michael Jackson episode. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:10.600 I think we did like mm hmmm. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.920 It was like a bad five five six am call 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:15.760 and I think we wrapped it like I don't know, 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:16.080 it was. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.280 Like two in the morn. It was. That was crazy. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.560 Yeah, in that party, everything on the day. 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.400 We all learned on the day too, so there was 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.560 just a lot of It was a lot of people 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:26.960 who's all the war wars. 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.080 Yeah, all the directions. 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:34.040 It was very scary that one in that part exactly. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.240 Yeah, like we're all going to either succeed or fail 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.680 together and it's fine because it's all of us. Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:41.320 if I look bad, we all look bad. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.880 But it's it was intense, like just you kind of 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:47.880 have this feeling before you'd roll a take where you'd 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.720 be like, I'm just gonna I don't know, I'm just 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.920 gonna go for it and and if the camera comes by, 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.280 whatever I'm doing, I'll do it strong and wrong, and 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:58.280 we'll hope that it works. 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.400 You know, thats just triggered a flashback in my head. 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.880 I do remember before take, like we were lined up 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.960 against you guys and looking at you guys, and we 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:08.360 all took like that sigh of like. 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.160 Well, it's gonna be what it's gonna be. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.960 We'll see what happens. Hopefully we don't run into each other. 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:26.040 How was it when Grant showed up man over for 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.520 you know, yeah, Darren Grants. 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.840 I mean I think there was always there was always that, 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:32.840 Like again, it was like we never knew what our 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:34.880 role was in the show, so that was very much 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.280 a surprise to a lot of us. We were like, 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:40.480 Grant's awesome. I love Grant, but you know, I think 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:41.400 a lot of us were like. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.240 Are we going to step up to the plate this season? 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.240 And we're like it was a new guy, and it 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.520 was like okay, yeah, but dude, Grants, I mean, he's 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.240 he had just and he was so trained. He was 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.480 coming off the West Side story tour, you know, he 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.080 he just stepped into that with such grace and like 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.120 just nailed it and obviously he's done very well for himself. 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:03.120 Yeah, No, it was great. 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.159 Yeah, And I mean he was he also was like 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.399 really cool just to be like, hey, what what are 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.720 we doing here? Like help you know, what what's the vibe? 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.199 And we kind of help show in the ropes and stuff. 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.560 So yeah, it was but. 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:15.440 We never knew. 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.680 We never knew what was happening with our with us 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:20.760 or if we were going to do more. 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:22.639 We never knew. We'd always be like, we get the 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.440 script and we'd be like, do we have lines? 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.159 Yeah, exactly. It wasn't much different from me in. 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.480 J That's the weird part about television. 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:37.840 You know, it's like it's being written in a writer's room, 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.800 and you know, things change every day, and there would 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.359 be I mean there were things that were some people 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.280 would say, oh, hey, I think you guys might do this, 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:46.560 and then like it wouldn't happen. 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.120 Sometimes it wouldn't. That's just the problem in the. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:50.399 First draft and then by the time you get the 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:51.560 shooting draft, it's gone. 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.200 Yeah, it's just the song was recorded and we never 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:55.800 get seen. It's crazy. 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.359 Yeah, that's just that's like TV. 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.359 You know, since you came on so early in the 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.840 show and the Warblers were on pretty early in like 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.280 the height of you know, Glee's success, what was it 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.680 like like for you guys and the Warblers aside from 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.560 doing like all the cool you know, special appearances and 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.399 things like were your family and your friends to be 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.639 like and did you get recognized separately from that, like 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:19.720 especially it. 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.520 Was because it was your first thing basically and then 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.640 you yeah, got on this gigantic show part and part 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.520 of a gigantic part of the gigantic show. 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.760 I mean yeah, like Kevin and I are both from Dallas, 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.000 and like I was part of the Dallas theater community, 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.200 and you know, I mean that was the everyone watched 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.600 the show every week, you know, because I think that 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:40.800 what the show came out in eight or the pilot 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.000 tape debut and O eight is that yeah. 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.720 Yeah, yeah, show nine we premiered, yeah. 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:45.720 Oh nine. 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.560 I remember like it would be like I mean I 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:49.760 was watching the show at friends places, and it was 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.720 like it was a thing that all the all theater 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.800 kids were like, you know, and I was like I 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:57.960 was just out of college and or I was I 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.280 left college early, so you know, everybody was watching it. 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.879 And so then I moved to LA in January of 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.240 twenty ten, and by that by that fall is when 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:07.080 I started working on it. 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.399 And yeah, it was. Yeah, I mean it was. It 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:10.240 was a huge deal. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.600 It was like, wait, the show that we all watched 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:17.560 every week, you're on it, you know, very surreal and yeah, 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:19.640 I mean there was a ton of just a ton 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:24.080 of excitement and yes, but like Dallas, your local makes 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:25.000 it and I was like, well. 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.879 I'm on it. But you know, yeah, it was. It 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:32.400 was awesome. 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.240 And you know, even to this day, I mean I've 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.160 done I've done a lot of other things, but I mean, 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.960 to this day, truly, it is still a thing that 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:41.800 people are like, oh I love that, or you know, 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.199 I will watch it all the time. Right, people were 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.240 like I listened to Uptown Grown. I'm like, that's crazy. 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.520 It's like this one song I recorded so many years ago. 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.520 The fact that something that was a you know, like 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:56.240 I said, we were very small parts of the show, 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.520 but the fact that it changed my life basively, I 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.920 mean it literally it is the turning turning point, but 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.159 it is like the catalyst for so many things that 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.760 I'm even doing. So yeah, that that initial reaction back 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:11.840 then was you know, it was like it was cool 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.280 because also too, I you know, I'd only been here 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:15.480 for a few months and it was just like a 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.879 nice confirmation of like maybe I'm not maybe I'm not 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.000 crazy for thinking this is something I should try to do. 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:26.280 You know I can do this, So yeah, very meaningful. 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:28.920 Yeah, I'm still pissed we didn't get to go to 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:29.720 Dallas on tour. 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:31.880 I know I would. 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.120 Before they announced the dates, I was like, please please. 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.200 I just envisioned it like we're at the American Airlines Arena. 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.680 Wasn't Airlines being like Redone or something at the time. 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:43.840 We just didn't go to the South at all. 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.800 Yeah, I remember, do you know Pentatonics? 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:49.920 Yeah, so I grew up with Scott and Mitch from 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:55.040 Pentatonic Theater together. Like our very first play ever was 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:59.000 we did a version of Don Quixote, but it's called 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.199 Don Coyote. I was a coyote. Mitchs the rab anyway, 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.160 But I remember like did a show a few years 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:07.920 later they played like some show in Dallas, and I was. 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:11.879 Like, that should have been us. 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:16.760 I wanted that so badly. It's like, can we just 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:18.800 do one more tour and then go through the South. 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.160 I gotta get them, I will say Dallas the Dallas. 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.320 Theater scene, like I I I don't live there anymore, 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:26.600 but Uh. I think the art scene in Dallas is 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.680 really cool and there's a real it is like theater 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.560 and music are such a vibrant part of of of 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:34.840 the culture there and uh yeah, so. 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:36.800 Yeah, I think it was. It was pretty cool that. 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:38.959 I was on the show because it was like especially 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.040 and people also knew that you were from Dallas, Kevin, 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:42.640 so it was like wow, two people. 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:44.480 So they made it. 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:47.399 There was may time at the end of thee I 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:51.240 was testing for another show and it was me and 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:53.320 another guy and I, like, you know, was getting the 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:55.600 dirt on who it was, and he was also from Plano, 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.240 and I was like, what is happening? Yeah, I was 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:02.679 thinking about Yeah, it's like the only other person, like 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.359 all the Dallas people just give me the job. I 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.520 read the computer place, come on to town and everybody 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:12.160 else he got it though, so good for him whatever. 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.080 But there's been like growing up there was always such 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.439 a huge It's funny because I feel like the South 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.960 is you hear a lot of I don't know, negative 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:23.680 things sometimes when it comes to the arts and things 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.320 like that. But Dallas specifically especially downtown, has always had 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:31.160 such a big investment in all forms of art and 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.200 even now when I go back, it's even more than 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:36.320 it was. And it is a really amazing thing that 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:36.840 they've done. 0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:38.800 That Dallas like theater kids, man, I mean they are 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:41.240 like trained and it is like, I mean, there is 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.600 a high level of there's a lot of opportunities there, 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:46.920 you know. And so I was part of a I 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:48.600 don't know if you know, like there was like Kasamyana 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:50.720 and there was like Dallas Theater Center. I was part 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:53.720 of a theater school called Cats, and so there's just 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:55.240 kind of like where do you belong? 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:57.240 And that's where like Scott and Mitch from. 0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:01.600 And yeah, I consider I sometimes think about how how 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:03.600 lucky I am to have been to have grown up 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:06.200 in an environment because I think people are like Texas, 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:09.400 what was that like? And I'm like, actually, in terms 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.440 of having a place, the Foster creatively was pretty awesome. 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:15.400 A lot of other things about Texas that we don't 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:16.240 have to go into. 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:20.840 But the art in Dallas and the arts in Dallas 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:24.639 is pretty good. Yes, there's a lot of acting schools. 0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:27.639 It's crazy, there's like performing arts schools all over the place. 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:29.080 You wouldn't think. 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:31.399 It, but it's great for that. 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:34.000 Yeah, totally specifically. 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:37.800 So I mentioned earlier that you know, we rewatching it. 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:40.800 We've had this newfound appreciation for the Warblers and the 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:45.120 songs that you guys did. We just watched My Dark Side. 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:49.480 What a banger, so good, one of my favorites. It's 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:53.600 so good. You guys are great. Do you have a favorite? 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:56.200 I would imagine that you know, Uptown Girl is probably 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:58.600 one of your favorites to have done, because you know 0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:00.239 you played such a big part in it. But like, 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:02.800 are there other songs that like stick out in your 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.040 mind or performances from the Warblers? 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:07.919 Yeah, I would say I think I was so nervous 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:10.840 about Uptown Girl that like, in hindsight, I'm proud of it, 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:12.679 but I was so nervous on the day because I 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:17.760 felt like, don't this is your one shot. So I 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:20.560 think my experience on the day was just don't blow it. 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:22.959 I think the one that sticks out was when we 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:24.640 did Raise Your Glass. 0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:29.400 Uh, it was like I was it was at it was. 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:32.600 At that theater we shot it in Glendale and m hm, 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:34.719 I remember it was like the first time that we 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.520 had gotten to perform on set where there was like 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:39.879 a bunch of people in the audience. I'm sure that 0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:42.399 already happened for you guys, but to just and I 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:44.399 think there was like a contest that day where like 0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:46.800 a bunch of fans also got a chance to be 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:48.280 there in the in the upper part. 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:51.720 Of the balcony. Yeah, and there was like you know. 0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:55.399 They were obviously being told to cheer, but to do 0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:58.240 that number and to actually feel this kind of energy, 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:01.760 it was definitely like, oh my god, this is really cool. 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:04.359 I think that was the moment it felt like it 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:06.399 was real that we were on the show because prior 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:07.800 to that and it was kind of like what are 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:09.760 we even doing here? And our stuff was at a 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:11.480 different location, so it was kind of. 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.640 Just, yeah, this extra removed. Yeah. 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.840 I think I'd only been maybe to the set at 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:21.359 Paramount like once like in the process, and so you know, 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:22.919 because we were at we were at Dalton, and so 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:25.439 that we felt like we were here with you guys 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.399 and there was this crowd and yeah, I think that 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.720 that kind of solidified like, oh my god, this is awesome. 0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:33.919 And we also got to do that on tour and 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:35.760 I love doing that song on tour. So that's the 0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:37.639 one that I always think of when I think about 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:40.479 my memory of doing the show. I think about like 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:43.520 being on stage doing that number in front of in 0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:45.360 front of the crowd, that's the one that always sticks up. 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.240 How surreal was it doing that on tour because you 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:51.160 also came in. I got a point in the show too, 0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:54.280 where like we had been out there a while and 0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:56.280 you guys come out and just sort of take over 0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:59.320 and do like a three song set and everyone went crazy. 0:25:59.359 --> 0:25:59.919 Every single night. 0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:03.840 I can't. I still think about it and I go, 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:04.720 did that happen? 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:06.760 Like it just. 0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:10.040 The concept of a TV show that gets big enough 0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:12.400 to do a tour that sold out. 0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:14.200 We were also baffled. 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.560 Yeah, like you know, I knew it was happening, but 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:20.280 I almost like it was hard to take it in 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:22.639 in the moment because you're just like, what's happened? 0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:23.520 Like this is crazy? 0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:27.520 And yeah I remember I remember like opening night in 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:29.560 Vegas just being on our little stage in the back, 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.000 you know, and. 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:33.359 People lost their when I was like, this is nuts. 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:36.520 I just it really it was so surreal. 0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:39.920 Because I just I kept thinking like, wow, I was 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:41.679 supposed to do like one line on this show, and 0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:44.960 here like I get to be on stage, you know, 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:45.880 going to London. 0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:48.760 I just when I think about it. Now, I go, 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:53.080 did that happen? Like, because I don't think any. 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:57.120 I cannot think of another situation where a show will 0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:59.520 do that again, like like where the where the stars 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:02.280 will align and where you will have that kind of 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.400 fan reaction that like this just took a strange and 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:07.040 cool thing that happened in this. 0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:10.359 Little capsule of time. Yeah, it's amazing. 0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:12.440 And there were so many of us, like I think 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.880 we were so lucky to travel with, like the whole family. 0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:18.760 It was you guys and all the dancers and Alex 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:20.240 d and then us, and it was. 0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:22.239 I feel like I get to I got to know 0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:24.560 you guys much more on that because you know, on 0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:27.000 set like it, Yeah, I'm very fragmented, and I felt 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:28.920 like they're the pressure of doing I mean we're still 0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:30.520 doing a show obviously, but the pressure. 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.840 Of like the crazy it was gone. 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:35.320 I just feel like we all got to get to 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:38.120 know each other in a much more chill way. And Yeah, 0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:41.119 I had such such a positive experience throughout that whole thing. 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:43.440 It was just it was so good And and again 0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:46.040 I can't I'm also aware of how long ago it 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:49.040 was because whenever I was tagged in some videos recently, 0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:51.560 and I like clicked the videos and like all the 0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.960 videos are like three sixty p and you're like, shit. 0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:56.399 That was like a long time ago. 0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:01.000 Yeah, the quality of the video reminds you how distant that. 0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:05.040 Yes, it makes you remind you how old you are. 0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:10.000 It's interesting though, because I never thought about it that way. Like, 0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:12.760 you know, as you worked yourself up to a guest star, 0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:15.840 you know, and got to be a part of it, 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.320 you have like recurrs on our show. Also that like 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:20.600 didn't get to go on tour with us, didn't get 0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:22.520 the extra like I think about like Max Adler and 0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:24.760 Josh Sussman and all those like and Lauren Potter, all 0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.320 those amazing you know characters on our show that were 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.800 played such an integral part and then like actually didn't 0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:32.600 get to go on tour. And you guys, you know, 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.760 had this own you became your own entity and character, right, 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.160 but then got to like do all the fun stuff 0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:39.120 too outside of it. 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:41.520 Yeah, that's why we were just like pinching ourselves because 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.400 I was like, we shouldn't be here like in terms of. 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:45.840 The just the arc of the show. 0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:48.800 But but for whatever reason, the energy, you know, the 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.760 vibe moving forward, it kind of made sense, and yeah, 0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:55.000 I just I remember I think Darren said it, like 0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:57.800 was like we were like we always tick a shot 0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:01.600 backstage before we went on Teenage Dream, and I remember 0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:03.479 like having that moment at the last show of like 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:06.320 I don't think anything like this will ever happen again, 0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:10.360 so like how cool is this? You know? And I 0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:14.920 will say on tour, I always talking about starkt At 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:18.080 the beginning, I remember we were in Chicago and I think, like, 0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:21.000 I don't know, everybody went out to some place. It 0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:23.680 was some some nightclub or some people were like hanging out, 0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:26.640 and I think Darren texted us and was like he 0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:29.760 texted the WARBA guys and was like, hey, ditch that 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:31.760 party and come meet my like star kid friends because 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:33.920 they were all in Chicago at the time. And I 0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:35.960 remember that night is when I went we like we 0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:37.960 left and we went to he was having a party 0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:40.160 with like all of his stark kid friends, and that's 0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:43.160 where I met literally all the people that I now 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:45.640 I literally see every single day of my life and 0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.560 I work with creatively. Like that night is when I 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:52.280 like met all these people. So that tour kind of 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:54.080 kind of led to that as well. 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:56.840 So yeah, what. 0:29:57.600 --> 0:29:58.280 Talk about that? 0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:01.080 What you like getting into Stark kid? What was that 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.280 transition sort of like I guess was that during Glee 0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.520 or after Glee of because you're also doing multiple things. Yeah, 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:09.360 you're acting and producing and directing. 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:11.560 What what's so funny about the Tarket thing is we 0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:15.200 got invited The Warblers got invited to some like fan conventions, 0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:19.560 but the fan conventions were Harry Potter themed, which makes 0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:22.800 no sense aside from Darren because of a Harry Potter connection. 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:25.280 So it was this weird initial thing where and I 0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:27.520 remember like going to these conventions being like what are 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.320 we doing here? Like they're gonna hate us. They're not 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:32.120 here to see the war. 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:33.800 Like, they're here to see Harry Potter people. 0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:36.720 And I remember we went to this one convention and 0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:39.320 Evana Lynch was there. She played Luna and Harry Potter, 0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:42.680 and they like just announced that the Warblers were gonna sing. 0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:46.200 We were like, first of all, please don't call us that, 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.400 because we're not endorsing that, like we're just here as us. 0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:52.400 Secondly, why like what are we going to sing? And 0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:56.000 so I like I text the guys. 0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:57.760 I was like, hey, we got to make this like 0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:00.120 Harry Potter theme somehow. So we did like a I 0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.640 wrote like a stupid version of what makes You Beautiful, 0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:06.040 but as like what makes You Magical? Like we were 0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:10.160 singing to Luna. We went on stage, we did it 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.520 and it was like in that moment everybody went, oh, 0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:14.160 you guys are cool and it was like fun and 0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.360 we were all like we kept getting invited back year 0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:20.480 after year. Well every year Star Kid would also be 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.680 there doing like panels and shows and stuff, and so 0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:25.400 we would always be in the green room together kind 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:27.920 of just hanging out and I Darren and so I'd 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:29.640 be like, oh, hey, I know Darren, and you know, 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.120 I'd met a lot of them whatever, and so over 0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:33.640 the years we just got to hang out and then 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:35.880 a lot of them started to move to LA And 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:39.840 then in twenty sixteen, some of the guys who worked 0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:42.040 with Darren on a show him, Joey, Brian and Corey. 0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:45.920 They did actually Joey Joey was in what was that group, 0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.960 the Adams Apples. Yeah, he was in that one where 0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:55.160 they did they did the Big Butt song. So we 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.400 did a show called Spiser Forever, which is a like 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:02.880 gig comedy spy musical and it's awesome, it's I love 0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:05.200 it amazing. That went on amazing, kind of become a 0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:07.320 cult thing on the internet. And then from there, a 0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:09.680 few years later, I was asked to audition, and and 0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.560 then I started to do more stuff and produce and direct, 0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:14.680 and now I'm doing my this is my like seventh 0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:15.880 project that we're doing right now. 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.000 So wow, kind of. 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:21.120 An organic like you live here, I live here, let's 0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:22.240 let's make stuff together. 0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:25.680 So yeah, why not have you been enjoying doing like 0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:28.360 the behind the scenes stuff, the writing and directing and producing. 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:29.040 Yeah, I love it. 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:30.960 I mean I made I made my first I finished 0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:33.640 my first feature as a director last year, and and 0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:36.400 then I do a lot of we we also produce 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:38.840 all of our shows we do. We we shoot them 0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:40.600 like a pro shot, and we put them on YouTube 0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:43.520 later for free, which is cool. And so I got 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.440 to direct to the film version of a show last year. 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:48.480 And I love it. Man, I you know, I think 0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:49.200 I love. 0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:52.040 I'm still I still love acting. I wish I wish 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:52.480 I didn't. 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.680 I still there's some of us. I still love it, 0:32:57.800 --> 0:32:58.720 some of you out there. 0:32:59.200 --> 0:32:59.880 I'm so glad. 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.120 But I will say I think being a filmmaker has 0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:05.200 become I go, oh my god, I don't have to 0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:07.320 wait for anybody to give me permission to do anything. 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:07.720 Yeah. 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.680 So that's and that's the cool thing about like Star 0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:12.320 Kit and all these groups that I've gotten to work with, 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.920 is it's just a lot of people taking ownership of 0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.560 their creativity and being like, let's just do a thing 0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:23.360 and you know, that's awesome. That's it's that's amazing. Uh So, yeah, 0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:25.560 I I love doing it. It's it's it's kind of 0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:27.160 my favorite thing that I get to do now. Even 0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.440 like even when I get to work on shows or whatever, 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.600 I'm like, this is fine, I want to go make 0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:32.960 stuf with. 0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:33.800 Me like that. 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:37.000 But once you know the freedom of being in control 0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:39.760 and getting to do what you want, it's hard to Yeah, 0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:50.680 and see that. I love hearing how close you are too, 0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:55.560 like like the friendships, the co working relationships, all that through, 0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.640 because I think that resonates with anyone we've had on 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.000 here to talk about working on the show show for 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:05.680 Jenna and myself, like the relationship mine is like the relationships, 0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.440 and I think it is probably because of the pressure cooker, 0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:10.920 the uniqueness of the situation that we all bonded over 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:12.839 this thing, especially you guys getting to go on tour, 0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:16.080 which is so hard to explain to people, like the 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:19.480 gravity of that of how those things feel unless you're 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.040 inside of it to really know. And it's just so 0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:25.120 nice to I also think, you know, the people who 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:26.959 like that show will watch that show. It's a certain 0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:30.880 type of person who like understands the creativity or the 0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:34.799 musical theater of it and the celebration of the arts 0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:36.200 in that way. So it's just nice that you get 0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:38.520 to work with people you met through it and y' 0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:41.080 still so close to people from it. 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.560 Really, I mean, it really is that. It's the greatest 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.160 gift that came from that for me. You know, it's 0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.719 like I didn't you know. I've always tried to be 0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.439 very clear with people. I remember, like back in the day, 0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:54.080 people like on Twitter and stuff would be like, you're 0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:56.080 not really in the show, You're barely in it. I'd 0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:57.479 be like, yeah, I know, I. 0:34:57.440 --> 0:35:01.279 Know, that's fine, Twitter, I know, yeah. 0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:02.319 Better. 0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:04.560 I always try to be clear that like, yes, I 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:06.440 know that, but the show has still given me. 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:07.800 It's changed my life. 0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:11.400 Yeah, the relationships to friendships, the opportunities that the doors 0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:13.600 that in many ways, it still continues to open. You know. 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:17.080 It's like a lot of those initial opportunities to do 0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:20.560 stuff was because I could say I'm on Glee, people 0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.920 will go okay, which warranted or not. It opened the 0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:27.359 door and allowed me to try stuff and discover new 0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:30.560 outlets of creativity. So it's like that gift alone, I'm 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:32.320 like truly life changing. 0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:32.680 You know. 0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:37.560 Yeah, I think people don't also understand, like, Okay, sure, 0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:39.520 if you weren't speaking every episode, that does not mean 0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:43.480 you weren't there crazy hours many hours in doing things. Yeah, 0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:46.520 Like people don't understand the work that goes into it. 0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:48.400 And it's like even if you're on the show for 0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:49.680 one night, you're still on the show. 0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:50.839 The show. 0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:52.400 It's a full team effort. 0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:56.640 And I had one nine a lot like all the time. 0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:58.680 I just got paid a lot more. But like, shut up, 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:03.680 you know, yeah, it's just annoying. Yeah, Yeah, everybody deserved 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:05.960 to be there, So you know, you deserve to be 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.000 there as much because you guys. 0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:08.200 Are on it. 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:09.240 Yeah exactly. 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:12.080 Yeah, and you guys were so you guys were like 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:14.840 so kind to us to like just to like, you know, 0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:18.160 because stepping into that world again, it was an intimidating. 0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:19.760 Proposition of like, oh my god, I've I've. 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.279 Seen the show and you know, I've seen these people 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:23.080 win a war, you know, and and then there was 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:27.120 just kind of an instantaneous like oh cool, awesome, yeah, 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.799 and I remember it was a very disarming and like 0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:33.279 it did not feel like stepping into like oh you 0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.319 better step up your game. It just felt like, oh, hey, 0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:38.319 we're like here doing the same thing. And yeah, yeah, 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:40.920 it was. It was just like a chillness to the 0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:46.080 vibe with you guys, despite the pressure of what the circumstances. Yeah, 0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:48.560 there was just like an easygoingness that you know that 0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:51.640 I experienced with all you guys that just made made 0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:52.680 me go, I am. 0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:53.680 On this show. Cool. 0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:56.239 Yeah, you know, I don't have to pretend and like, 0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:58.840 I don't know, yeah, it was, it was, it was awesome. 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:00.800 That's excity. 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:03.399 Yeah, we never know. We caught us on a bad 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:05.799 day because there's also like there's no point in like 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.200 I don't know gate keeping anything. It's like we all 0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.680 got hired, we're not running the show. We're grateful to 0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:13.000 be there. You guys are grateful to be there, and 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:14.879 we know what a slog schedule could be. So it's 0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:18.160 like what's the point of ego? Like just everybody just 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:21.319 wanted to work. Everybody earned it, everybody got here. Yeah 0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:25.000 because Robert and Ryan and whoever said yes, So like great, Yeah, 0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:29.799 who are we to be like like, no, we are. 0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:30.680 Hired just like you did. 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:31.200 Yeah. 0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:36.640 I've definitely worked on shows where sometimes like leads are 0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:40.120 are you know, household names like house don't don't speak 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:41.680 to that person, don't look at that person, you know, 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:42.239 and it's like. 0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:43.399 Okay, cool. 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:45.760 It's hard, and you kind of feel like you're always 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:49.439 like I'm always on the and you know, I swear 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:51.600 that my first episode was when we shot at that 0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.040 that theater in Glindall, which is crazy because I lived 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.279 down the street at the time, so I literally walked. 0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:00.759 And I remember just kind of being like we gonna 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:01.040 fit in. 0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.880 And then you know, you guys were just like, oh hey, cool, yeah, awesome, 0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:06.000 and it was like, oh, all right, this feels like 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:08.640 doing a show or something. So you know, there was 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:11.480 a disarming nous to to the fact that you guys 0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:14.880 were like accepting of us, despite again despite the pressure. 0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:16.560 Of like oh god, we have to be on camera 0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:17.200 now and do it. 0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:20.239 But right, I mean, we were only a year into 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.799 it too, you know, like we it wasn't that long 0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:24.040 before that we also were. 0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:25.719 Like, oh my god, this is crazy. Yeah, and it 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:29.360 still was very much crazy. Yeah, exactly, it is. 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:32.840 It is weird how you could this the craziness is 0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:36.160 craziness of it all becomes very normal and surreal at 0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:38.239 the same time, where it's like you can in one 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:40.480 hand you're like, this is just my life. I'm just 0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:42.160 this is what I do. And then and then you're like, 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.120 this is insane. It's it's a strange thing. It's a 0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:46.240 strange thing as as. 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:49.360 A and then it feels very surreal that the craziness 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:53.000 feels normal. Yes, yes, you check yourself. You're like, oh yeah, sure, 0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:54.560 we're going to go oprah on. 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:57.919 Famous people go crazy, you know what I mean. There's 0:38:58.000 --> 0:38:59.839 just it's like a lot of it's a mental load. 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:03.120 It's like a mind fuck. Yeah, before we let you go, 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:07.600 I want to know the feeling that Glee leaves you with. 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:12.120 I really don't mean this to sound cheesy, but I 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:15.319 really like I would say gratitude, because when I think 0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:18.799 about it sometimes I have these feelings of like, oh God, 0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:20.719 I wish I you know, did I could I have 0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.359 done more to impress certain people to get a bigger 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:25.880 role whatever, and then all that goes away when I 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:30.200 go hold on, I got to do this incredible thing, 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:32.279 and I got to meet all these people that I'm 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:35.520 now still getting to make stuff with and often making 0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:37.200 this stuff with now that I'm the most proud of. 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:39.719 And so I think that the biggest takeaway I have 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.480 is like gratitude. I think at the time it was 0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:44.920 in the middle of it, I felt a little anxious 0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:45.919 of like, am. 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:49.240 I doing enough? I am? I am I performing whatever? 0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:53.000 And now I'm just like that was awesome. Yeah, wow, 0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:54.040 I believe I did that. 0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:56.560 So I'd say gratitude because it, you know, it really 0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:59.239 did change my life and continues to in many ways. 0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:01.120 That's not cheesy. Oh amen to that. 0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:01.920 I like that one. 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:02.640 That was good. 0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:05.799 Well, thank you so much for taking the time to 0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:07.640 come on and chat with us. And it was so 0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:10.880 good to see you again. It's so good to see you, 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:13.319 and like congrats and all the star kits. Yes, thank you, 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:14.759 that's amazing. 0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:16.000 I appreciate it. It's cool. 0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:17.879 I feel really lucky that we get to like make 0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:19.000 stuff and pay ourselves. 0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:19.480 It's great. 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:21.640 Yeah, that's the dream. 0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:22.600 Dream job. 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:24.759 Yeah, work with your friends, work at people you love 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:26.960 and trust, and make money to do it well doing 0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:33.080 it can't get better than that. Well, thanks, Kurt, thank 0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:33.839 you so much. 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:35.319 I appreciate it. 0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:39.200 I mean and truly, like Kurt was, they really were 0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:43.880 so did from us, Like it was really such a 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.840 different experience. Like they shot at that beautiful Red Cross 0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:50.000 was it the Red Cross? I think so in like Pasadena, 0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:51.680 and it was so pretty to visit, but imagine that 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.840 being their home, like paramounts our home. It's so so different, 0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:57.160 and we really were very separated from them. So it 0:40:57.239 --> 0:40:59.319 was very cool to hear from him. 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:03.719 It's it's very much akin to you know, when Chris 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:06.440 and Leah started to go to the New York sets stuff, 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.239 but they were at least still on Paramount. Like these 0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:12.000 were people we didn't know very well and they never 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:15.040 shot where we shot, so we never saw them. And 0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:17.040 then the show comes out and you see how successful 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:19.080 they're being, Like that's crazy, that's still part of. 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.840 The same show. And we have little to interaction with them. 0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:26.000 Until Darren like really started dating, you know, Layne and 0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:27.960 Kurt started really dating, and then he joined the New directions. 0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:29.560 We didn't even get like a lot of him, so 0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:32.560 like imagine you know these guys not being in the 0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:33.439 glee club at all. 0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.960 Yeah, they're such a wholesome bunch, Like truly, no, they 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:39.640 really are. I remember sometimes being like, they can't be 0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:41.239 that happy all the time. 0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:43.600 I know, and they were. It's like Darren were You're 0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:46.759 like you guys, like are you It felt vake right, 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:48.759 You're like that can't be real. But they really were 0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:49.399 so great. 0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:51.839 They were so grateful, And it's also one of those 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:56.360 weird things of Darren was like the perfect personality type 0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:59.000 to be with them, Like they all fit together. And 0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:03.600 I think again the magic of Robert and UdK casting 0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:07.120 of like they really put all of them together in 0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:10.160 such a smart and sustainable way that makes us set happy, 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:12.920 that makes all those the time you actually spend filming 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:14.759 is so little compared to the time you spend not 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:18.319 filming on set. And to create a happy environment and 0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:22.400 happy workplaces I think really hard. And I think Robert, 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:25.759 whether intentionally or not, really did a great job with 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.600 all of us of making it a really happy workplace, 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:33.879 balancing those personalities. You know, Yes, Kurt, it was so 0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:36.680 good to talk to you. Thank you for coming on. 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:38.200 Everybody. 0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:40.360 Look out for all the new Starket projects he's working on, 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:41.719 because that just sounds incredible. 0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:46.200 Yes, hope you guys enjoyed this episode. We'll see you 0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:48.760 next week and that's what you be they missed. 0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.520 Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at and 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:53.919 that's what you really miss pod. 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:56.040 Make sure to write us a review and leave us 0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:57.600 five stars. See you next time.