Speaker 1: And that's what you Really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 3: Welcome to you, and That's what you Really miss podcast.
Speaker 3: We have a warbler.
Speaker 2: Like sort of the og Warbler.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, there's like a few of them, and
Speaker 3: he's he's one of them. We have Kurt Mega here
Speaker 3: nick Nick the Warbler. It looks like he had a name.
Speaker 4: Yes, And we find out all kinds of things that
Speaker 4: we did not know because, as you learned, the Warblers
Speaker 4: were like very separate from the new directions in US
Speaker 4: in terms of filming, location terms, even like schedules, yeah, everything.
Speaker 4: Kurt is the sweetest, He's so talented and just great
Speaker 4: to catch up with him. So here is Kurt Mega.
Speaker 1: Yoho, Hello, what's up?
Speaker 3: How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good man a while?
Speaker 2: Are the rumors true? Are you still working with Star Kid?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're in.
Speaker 5: We're like knee deep and we just started a new
Speaker 5: show Monday. And I also do a lot of directing
Speaker 5: and producing for them as well. So we did a
Speaker 5: big old kickstarter for our last show. We just raised
Speaker 5: like six hundred grand, which was, oh my god, amazing.
Speaker 5: It was like our biggest one yet.
Speaker 1: So it's great, honest, And.
Speaker 3: Was that thanks to the like you guys meeting on
Speaker 3: said and doing the Warblers that you got linked up with.
Speaker 5: That first convo I ever had with Darren was like
Speaker 5: him being like, oh dude, I'm running songs for the
Speaker 5: show and I'm like, they're mad because I haven't finished everything.
Speaker 1: Uh and yeah he was, he was.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, he was the one who introduced me to
Speaker 5: all of them, and so yeah, it's kind of become
Speaker 5: my like creative fan here in La.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's rad.
Speaker 5: And we're also making a first episodic thing that I'm
Speaker 5: I'm co producing and directing. So yeah, it's like there's
Speaker 5: so many ties to what I do. How to like
Speaker 5: back then, it's it's kind of actually.
Speaker 4: That's so good though. Also that was a very good
Speaker 4: impression of Darren. Thank you, thank you. If you haven't
Speaker 4: had a conversation with there, it was like, just do
Speaker 4: this thing, but I didn't do it yet, but every time,
Speaker 4: that's right, let's take it back to the beginning.
Speaker 2: Yes, how did this all start out for you?
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys remember this at all,
Speaker 5: but they did a MySpace contest. Ye, I don't know
Speaker 5: if you're aware of shout out to Eddie who I know,
Speaker 5: you know, Kevin Eddie Winkler, and he was like, hey,
Speaker 5: I know, like it's a weird thing. Obviously I'd rather
Speaker 5: you go in for it like regularly, but like why not,
Speaker 5: why not just put yourself on tape for it? So
Speaker 5: I did and uh, and then like months went by
Speaker 5: and then I got a call out of the blue
Speaker 5: one day and they were like, hey, like Udik wants
Speaker 5: to see you like today, and so I was like, okay, So.
Speaker 1: I went in.
Speaker 5: That sounds right, And it was hard to figure out
Speaker 5: initially what it was and I realized, Okay, I think
Speaker 5: I'm testing for the show, and it was for it
Speaker 5: was for the role that would become. And so that
Speaker 5: was a weird week where like I went to Twentyeth
Speaker 5: was working with like Brad Ellis on the piano.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were like doing all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 5: Actually, once I once I once you I got the
Speaker 5: email about this, I was like going through my voice
Speaker 5: memos and I like found my like rehearsals singing like billionaire.
Speaker 1: At like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then we did this, We did the fin
Speaker 5: sides and then at that test there was like court obviously,
Speaker 5: but there was like some other people there too. There
Speaker 5: was my uh yeah, there's just a bunch of there's
Speaker 5: like four or five of the guys there. And then
Speaker 5: Tested was terrified because it was just like every at
Speaker 5: the time, this is what's crazy is at the time,
Speaker 5: that was like coming out of season one, and so
Speaker 5: I mean it was the you know, it was like
Speaker 5: I couldn't have matter.
Speaker 1: It was the biggest thing on I.
Speaker 5: It was very and I I had only been in
Speaker 5: La for like a few months, so it was like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, yeah, it's very intimidated. Yeah, and to
Speaker 5: walk into a room with like and it was just everybody,
Speaker 5: you know, and it went really well. And then and
Speaker 5: they went to different direction obviously in Kor got the
Speaker 5: part and he was great. At the time, it was
Speaker 5: supposed to be it's supposed to be k Kurt's boyfriend.
Speaker 5: That was the whole the whole thing they told us
Speaker 5: of like this is the love interest or whatever. Anyway,
Speaker 5: So then fast forward a few months later and then
Speaker 5: I think I can't remember, but I think I also
Speaker 5: taped for Blaine.
Speaker 1: Didn't get it.
Speaker 5: And then and then once again in like November, I
Speaker 5: got a call.
Speaker 1: They were like, okay, so they want.
Speaker 5: To see you today, and I went in, I read
Speaker 5: for you know whatever Warbler, and then the next week
Speaker 5: there I was on set.
Speaker 3: So that the hustle, it sounds like so familiar to
Speaker 3: a lot of the people that we've talked to. You're
Speaker 3: not here for this one, but we'll bring you back
Speaker 3: for this one. But they don't tell you that.
Speaker 2: They knew they wanted you, just didn't know where you
Speaker 2: fit in yet. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: Well what's also so weird is that when I you know,
Speaker 5: when I first booked, I mean it was a one episode,
Speaker 5: one line co.
Speaker 1: Star, right, which is like, you know, I was stoked.
Speaker 5: It's like, hey, I'm this is my it was my
Speaker 5: first thing I'd ever done, like on camera at l
Speaker 5: So I was just like, I'm just happy to be here.
Speaker 5: And then and then that somehow turned into doing I
Speaker 5: think it was like fifteen or sixteen episodes, and you know,
Speaker 5: I got to sing and became a guest star and
Speaker 5: stuff and got to go on tour with you.
Speaker 1: Guys, which is, yeah, the coolest things I've ever done.
Speaker 5: And yeah, and so in so many ways, it just
Speaker 5: like was this thing that kept opening more and more doors.
Speaker 5: It was sort of emotionally strange to never know where
Speaker 5: where I was with it.
Speaker 3: So every time you did an episode, it was just
Speaker 3: that episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we'd always we'd always be like, all right, well,
Speaker 5: this has been fun, guys, and then and then you know,
Speaker 5: they call us a few weeks later and you'd be like,
Speaker 5: oh shit, we're back, We're back.
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 5: And then I remember at the Glee tour in LA
Speaker 5: and Ryan pulled me aside and was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: you're gonna have a song next season. I'm getting a song,
Speaker 5: and I was like what and then and then it
Speaker 5: happened and I got to do Uptown Girl.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was just it was always a mystery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, never knew what I was.
Speaker 1: Doing with the show. Wow.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, I think it kind of
Speaker 5: kept it kind of kept us sort of grateful and
Speaker 5: just like, oh my god, we're back, and it never
Speaker 5: felt like there was an expectation.
Speaker 3: So yeah, at some point, like you guys became like
Speaker 3: this your own entity on the show fully.
Speaker 2: And like a real band.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then only recently have like with this rewatch,
Speaker 3: have we been like oh wow, like they were awesome
Speaker 3: and I think we were just so wrapped up in
Speaker 3: all of the chaos of it all that like you
Speaker 3: was crazy, but you guys did like like talk shows
Speaker 3: and like performances and like things out on the road.
Speaker 3: Like it's just so crazy how it became this like oh,
Speaker 3: your your own like little thing, it's so cool.
Speaker 5: It was always I think that the challenging thing for
Speaker 5: us was always we didn't I know, amongst like Riker
Speaker 5: Entireis and Domino, those guys, like, we were always like,
Speaker 5: we don't want to ever act like we're doing more
Speaker 5: than we are. But then people would ask us to
Speaker 5: come to things and we'd be like, is that is
Speaker 5: that okay?
Speaker 1: Like we're not. We're just we're just guests on the show.
Speaker 1: We're not. And so it was always this strange kind
Speaker 1: of pull and tug.
Speaker 5: Of like I don't want to go out there and
Speaker 5: be like, oh my god, I'm such It's like no, I'm, I'm,
Speaker 5: i am.
Speaker 1: We are in service of this much bigger thing.
Speaker 5: But I think going on tour I think kind of
Speaker 5: helped solidify a little bit of like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: like we kind of feel like we belong a little
Speaker 5: bit totally. Also doing tour, I had such a positive
Speaker 5: experience doing that because it felt like the pressure of
Speaker 5: you know, just the crazy hours and you know, as
Speaker 5: you know, doing doing the show.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys, it was crazy for us.
Speaker 5: I can't even imagine what that was like for you
Speaker 5: guys for so many years, but.
Speaker 1: To tour felt like a chance to just just hang out.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I had.
Speaker 5: I had a blast and a lot of those relationships
Speaker 5: for them, and I'm still I'm truly still like best
Speaker 5: friends with like Titus and like domb and like those
Speaker 5: are like some of my serious friends in the world.
Speaker 5: So I think a lot of that chemistry that people
Speaker 5: were responding to, even though we didn't have a lot
Speaker 5: of a lot of dialogue or whatever. I think it
Speaker 5: was just people responding to us actually being friends and
Speaker 5: like having a blast together.
Speaker 1: That's what I like to.
Speaker 4: Think fully, and also being around you guys. That was
Speaker 4: also the experience of when you were saying, you guys
Speaker 4: were just like grateful to be there. You're like, sure,
Speaker 4: this may be a one and done or maybe a
Speaker 4: two and done, but it always.
Speaker 2: Felt like that.
Speaker 4: I never felt like you guys came in there and
Speaker 4: we're like, we're the shit now, even though the Warblers
Speaker 4: did become the shit. Yeah, and everybody wanted you guys
Speaker 4: from the first episode, and so the last episode that
Speaker 4: you guys were in, it always felt like the energy
Speaker 4: from you guys was so wholesome and it was like
Speaker 4: they're the nicest people and they check ourselves like we're
Speaker 4: terrible people.
Speaker 2: They're so nice and they're so good, and that chemistry
Speaker 2: was very real.
Speaker 4: And like seeing you guys on tour, you had your
Speaker 4: own dressing room, it was very much It just felt
Speaker 4: like the what was your a real band, like our
Speaker 4: own little like cover bands together, Yeah, and were like
Speaker 4: love each other and supported each other, and it was
Speaker 4: really nice to just see that blossom between all of
Speaker 4: you well.
Speaker 5: And I always appreciated it. You know, it was I
Speaker 5: think Darren. I I will always say this about Darren.
Speaker 5: He would just every step chance he got, he would
Speaker 5: go out of his way to like talk us up
Speaker 5: to people. I remember, like, you know, we'd be on
Speaker 5: set and you know, Ryana walked by and dared to
Speaker 5: be like, oh, ry did you know like Rikers like
Speaker 5: in his band is like they're they're doing a thing,
Speaker 5: or did you know like Kurt's like he would just
Speaker 5: like and you know that's and he could do that
Speaker 5: for us because we were in this little group together, right,
Speaker 5: And I just I remember thinking at the time, like
Speaker 5: that really meant a lot to me because you know,
Speaker 5: that's an intimidating.
Speaker 1: Set to walk on.
Speaker 5: If as a first thing, it's just a lot, you know,
Speaker 5: And even now having done a lot of other television work,
Speaker 5: nothing has ever come close to that level of like
Speaker 5: just the scope and the pressure and the like. Actually,
Speaker 5: no I did. I did an episode of nine one
Speaker 5: one and it felt the same.
Speaker 3: I was like, Ryan Show is basically we're back.
Speaker 2: I've done this before.
Speaker 5: I guess, well, it's like that sense of like there's
Speaker 5: a lot of ship that has to get done in
Speaker 5: a very short period of time like that that pressure
Speaker 5: and so having somebody, having somebody there to kind of
Speaker 5: just be that voice for us was just a really
Speaker 5: really made that It was really it's a gift that
Speaker 5: I'll never like, I'll never I'll never be not be
Speaker 5: grateful for.
Speaker 4: You know. It really did feel like the leader on
Speaker 4: set and like on the screen totally. Yeah, of the Warblers, Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was like, you're the dad. He took care of
Speaker 4: It's just good energy all the time.
Speaker 3: He was like he was actually genuinely happy to be there,
Speaker 3: where us fools were like acting like yeah exactly. Darren
Speaker 3: like was genuinely just happy to be there all the time.
Speaker 3: And sometimes it's just so annoying because you're like just
Speaker 3: shut up, like he's you're like too happy right now.
Speaker 5: But I tell I'm one of my things that I do,
Speaker 5: I just to joby job stuff is I'm I work
Speaker 5: with a lot of actors, and I coach and I
Speaker 5: teach a lot, and I'm always like, look like it's
Speaker 5: awesome being on set.
Speaker 1: It's it's great. It's great to book the job, but
Speaker 1: it is a.
Speaker 5: Grind that you don't know until you're there. I mean,
Speaker 5: and it sounds like, oh, I'm just I'm doing it.
Speaker 5: It's like yeah, but like cut to three four years
Speaker 5: in and yeah, it's awesome, but it is a it's
Speaker 5: a grind, man, and so yeah, I mean, and you
Speaker 5: guys were just constantly I remember, you know, we were
Speaker 5: just there to do our one song, but you guys
Speaker 5: would be hopping into learn this choreo and then you're
Speaker 5: off to shoot this scene and then you're you know,
Speaker 5: just it was it.
Speaker 1: Was a lot, and I don't.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of times maybe people don't recognize
Speaker 5: how challenging like product a production schedule really is.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really nuts.
Speaker 4: It's a whole different skill set that it's probably also
Speaker 4: really good for you coaching people to have been on
Speaker 4: a show with that grueling schedule, because it's like you
Speaker 4: do all the acting prep, you do all that stuff
Speaker 4: you know, to get the job, and then and there's
Speaker 4: like how do I mediate my energy levels and all
Speaker 4: of that on twelve hour sixteen hour days repeatedly hopefully
Speaker 4: for years, right.
Speaker 1: And it's also like not about being just oh it
Speaker 1: was my take so good.
Speaker 5: It's like, dude, just show up picture mark, do the thing,
Speaker 5: and we can all go home early, like that's the job.
Speaker 5: And a lot of people don't. I think it's it's
Speaker 5: it's not indulgent, which which is like I think surprising
Speaker 5: for a lot of artists who are like, wait, it's
Speaker 5: not about me all the time.
Speaker 1: It's like no challenging.
Speaker 2: For actors to realize.
Speaker 3: Speaking of schedules, like what was the Warblers schedule? Like
Speaker 3: like from the time you would would you get this
Speaker 3: full script or would you just get this song, Like
Speaker 3: what was that like for you?
Speaker 5: And completely varied, Like the first few episodes, it was
Speaker 5: just like, hey, you're showing up at this time, and
Speaker 5: here's the song you're doing.
Speaker 1: But then like the first episode, Wow, I think what.
Speaker 5: I did when I had when I sang when I
Speaker 5: sang Uptown Girl, they like sent someone to my house
Speaker 5: with a script and I was like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, drop them on the doorstep.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And so then we got a full script for that,
Speaker 5: and then I think from then on because from that
Speaker 5: point on, I was like contractually a guest star, and
Speaker 5: then I started getting.
Speaker 1: Scripts in advance.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I don't know, it varied, but the schedule
Speaker 5: was always interesting because I mean it would be often
Speaker 5: maybe choreo the day before, maybe sometimes the day of,
Speaker 5: and then I.
Speaker 3: Remember long like an hour two hours.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean maybe two three hours tight, And I think,
Speaker 5: what too is? You know? I mean, Kevin, I know
Speaker 5: you're an awesome dancer, Jenna, I don't know if you're
Speaker 5: a dancer.
Speaker 1: I actually don't know this. Are you a dancer?
Speaker 3: I grew up I grew up dancing in the I'm
Speaker 3: a theater dancer, So you know, I can like I
Speaker 3: can pick up my moves.
Speaker 2: That's about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, need it.
Speaker 5: Well, First that first few seasons, you know, our audition
Speaker 5: was like step touch.
Speaker 1: It was like great mine, step touch.
Speaker 5: And then at some point they were like what if
Speaker 5: they just all danced like full out and it was
Speaker 5: like cool.
Speaker 1: Then they started to bring in all these dancers who
Speaker 1: are like so you think along. I remember like being like, uh.
Speaker 5: Hey when we auditioned Loki, like we were not doing
Speaker 5: this and Riker is an amazing dancer.
Speaker 1: So Ryker was like I'm fine and I was like, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: But the rest of.
Speaker 5: Us and I remember like it getting progressively. And there
Speaker 5: was one episode that Mandy Moore directed or not directed, choreographed,
Speaker 5: and nobody told her this was the I think it
Speaker 5: was the Love Songs.
Speaker 1: One or whatever.
Speaker 5: Nobody told us that several of us were movers at best,
Speaker 5: and so I'll never forget. She got understandably frustrated because
Speaker 5: she was like what why because she was just like
Speaker 5: choreo and.
Speaker 3: We meet there dancers, it was.
Speaker 1: Like an hour before we were shooting. It was like
Speaker 1: here's the combo.
Speaker 5: And I remember like John and I who was like
Speaker 5: the beatbox guy, and we're just in the back and
Speaker 5: like yo I and uh so.
Speaker 3: I.
Speaker 1: It was so funny.
Speaker 5: The more we went on, the less rehearsal we got.
Speaker 5: I think at the beginning it was like assumed there'd
Speaker 5: be more time. But I think the craziest day was
Speaker 5: the Michael Jackson episode.
Speaker 1: I think we did like mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: It was like a bad five five six am call
Speaker 5: and I think we wrapped it like I don't know,
Speaker 5: it was.
Speaker 1: Like two in the morn. It was. That was crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in that party, everything on the day.
Speaker 3: We all learned on the day too, so there was
Speaker 3: just a lot of It was a lot of people
Speaker 3: who's all the war wars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the directions.
Speaker 3: It was very scary that one in that part exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we're all going to either succeed or fail
Speaker 2: together and it's fine because it's all of us. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if I look bad, we all look bad.
Speaker 5: But it's it was intense, like just you kind of
Speaker 5: have this feeling before you'd roll a take where you'd
Speaker 5: be like, I'm just gonna I don't know, I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna go for it and and if the camera comes by,
Speaker 5: whatever I'm doing, I'll do it strong and wrong, and
Speaker 5: we'll hope that it works.
Speaker 4: You know, thats just triggered a flashback in my head.
Speaker 4: I do remember before take, like we were lined up
Speaker 4: against you guys and looking at you guys, and we
Speaker 4: all took like that sigh of like.
Speaker 2: Well, it's gonna be what it's gonna be.
Speaker 4: We'll see what happens. Hopefully we don't run into each other.
Speaker 4: How was it when Grant showed up man over for
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, Darren Grants.
Speaker 5: I mean I think there was always there was always that,
Speaker 5: Like again, it was like we never knew what our
Speaker 5: role was in the show, so that was very much
Speaker 5: a surprise to a lot of us. We were like,
Speaker 5: Grant's awesome. I love Grant, but you know, I think
Speaker 5: a lot of us were like.
Speaker 1: Are we going to step up to the plate this season?
Speaker 5: And we're like it was a new guy, and it
Speaker 5: was like okay, yeah, but dude, Grants, I mean, he's
Speaker 5: he had just and he was so trained. He was
Speaker 5: coming off the West Side story tour, you know, he
Speaker 5: he just stepped into that with such grace and like
Speaker 5: just nailed it and obviously he's done very well for himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it was great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean he was he also was like
Speaker 5: really cool just to be like, hey, what what are
Speaker 5: we doing here? Like help you know, what what's the vibe?
Speaker 5: And we kind of help show in the ropes and stuff.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it was but.
Speaker 1: We never knew.
Speaker 5: We never knew what was happening with our with us
Speaker 5: or if we were going to do more.
Speaker 1: We never knew. We'd always be like, we get the
Speaker 1: script and we'd be like, do we have lines?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It wasn't much different from me in.
Speaker 1: J That's the weird part about television.
Speaker 5: You know, it's like it's being written in a writer's room,
Speaker 5: and you know, things change every day, and there would
Speaker 5: be I mean there were things that were some people
Speaker 5: would say, oh, hey, I think you guys might do this,
Speaker 5: and then like it wouldn't happen.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it wouldn't. That's just the problem in the.
Speaker 2: First draft and then by the time you get the
Speaker 2: shooting draft, it's gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the song was recorded and we never
Speaker 3: get seen. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just that's like TV.
Speaker 3: You know, since you came on so early in the
Speaker 3: show and the Warblers were on pretty early in like
Speaker 3: the height of you know, Glee's success, what was it
Speaker 3: like like for you guys and the Warblers aside from
Speaker 3: doing like all the cool you know, special appearances and
Speaker 3: things like were your family and your friends to be
Speaker 3: like and did you get recognized separately from that, like
Speaker 3: especially it.
Speaker 4: Was because it was your first thing basically and then
Speaker 4: you yeah, got on this gigantic show part and part
Speaker 4: of a gigantic part of the gigantic show.
Speaker 5: I mean yeah, like Kevin and I are both from Dallas,
Speaker 5: and like I was part of the Dallas theater community,
Speaker 5: and you know, I mean that was the everyone watched
Speaker 5: the show every week, you know, because I think that
Speaker 5: what the show came out in eight or the pilot
Speaker 5: tape debut and O eight is that yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, show nine we premiered, yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh nine.
Speaker 5: I remember like it would be like I mean I
Speaker 5: was watching the show at friends places, and it was
Speaker 5: like it was a thing that all the all theater
Speaker 5: kids were like, you know, and I was like I
Speaker 5: was just out of college and or I was I
Speaker 5: left college early, so you know, everybody was watching it.
Speaker 5: And so then I moved to LA in January of
Speaker 5: twenty ten, and by that by that fall is when
Speaker 5: I started working on it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was. Yeah, I mean it was. It
Speaker 1: was a huge deal.
Speaker 5: It was like, wait, the show that we all watched
Speaker 5: every week, you're on it, you know, very surreal and yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean there was a ton of just a ton
Speaker 5: of excitement and yes, but like Dallas, your local makes
Speaker 5: it and I was like, well.
Speaker 1: I'm on it. But you know, yeah, it was. It
Speaker 1: was awesome.
Speaker 5: And you know, even to this day, I mean I've
Speaker 5: done I've done a lot of other things, but I mean,
Speaker 5: to this day, truly, it is still a thing that
Speaker 5: people are like, oh I love that, or you know,
Speaker 5: I will watch it all the time. Right, people were
Speaker 5: like I listened to Uptown Grown. I'm like, that's crazy.
Speaker 5: It's like this one song I recorded so many years ago.
Speaker 5: The fact that something that was a you know, like
Speaker 5: I said, we were very small parts of the show,
Speaker 5: but the fact that it changed my life basively, I
Speaker 5: mean it literally it is the turning turning point, but
Speaker 5: it is like the catalyst for so many things that
Speaker 5: I'm even doing. So yeah, that that initial reaction back
Speaker 5: then was you know, it was like it was cool
Speaker 5: because also too, I you know, I'd only been here
Speaker 5: for a few months and it was just like a
Speaker 5: nice confirmation of like maybe I'm not maybe I'm not
Speaker 5: crazy for thinking this is something I should try to do.
Speaker 1: You know I can do this, So yeah, very meaningful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still pissed we didn't get to go to
Speaker 2: Dallas on tour.
Speaker 1: I know I would.
Speaker 4: Before they announced the dates, I was like, please please.
Speaker 4: I just envisioned it like we're at the American Airlines Arena.
Speaker 3: Wasn't Airlines being like Redone or something at the time.
Speaker 2: We just didn't go to the South at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember, do you know Pentatonics?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I grew up with Scott and Mitch from
Speaker 5: Pentatonic Theater together. Like our very first play ever was
Speaker 5: we did a version of Don Quixote, but it's called
Speaker 5: Don Coyote. I was a coyote. Mitchs the rab anyway,
Speaker 5: But I remember like did a show a few years
Speaker 5: later they played like some show in Dallas, and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, that should have been us.
Speaker 4: I wanted that so badly. It's like, can we just
Speaker 4: do one more tour and then go through the South.
Speaker 4: I gotta get them, I will say Dallas the Dallas.
Speaker 5: Theater scene, like I I I don't live there anymore,
Speaker 5: but Uh. I think the art scene in Dallas is
Speaker 5: really cool and there's a real it is like theater
Speaker 5: and music are such a vibrant part of of of
Speaker 5: the culture there and uh yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was. It was pretty cool that.
Speaker 5: I was on the show because it was like especially
Speaker 5: and people also knew that you were from Dallas, Kevin,
Speaker 5: so it was like wow, two people.
Speaker 3: So they made it.
Speaker 4: There was may time at the end of thee I
Speaker 4: was testing for another show and it was me and
Speaker 4: another guy and I, like, you know, was getting the
Speaker 4: dirt on who it was, and he was also from Plano,
Speaker 4: and I was like, what is happening? Yeah, I was
Speaker 4: thinking about Yeah, it's like the only other person, like
Speaker 4: all the Dallas people just give me the job. I
Speaker 4: read the computer place, come on to town and everybody
Speaker 4: else he got it though, so good for him whatever.
Speaker 4: But there's been like growing up there was always such
Speaker 4: a huge It's funny because I feel like the South
Speaker 4: is you hear a lot of I don't know, negative
Speaker 4: things sometimes when it comes to the arts and things
Speaker 4: like that. But Dallas specifically especially downtown, has always had
Speaker 4: such a big investment in all forms of art and
Speaker 4: even now when I go back, it's even more than
Speaker 4: it was. And it is a really amazing thing that
Speaker 4: they've done.
Speaker 5: That Dallas like theater kids, man, I mean they are
Speaker 5: like trained and it is like, I mean, there is
Speaker 5: a high level of there's a lot of opportunities there,
Speaker 5: you know. And so I was part of a I
Speaker 5: don't know if you know, like there was like Kasamyana
Speaker 5: and there was like Dallas Theater Center. I was part
Speaker 5: of a theater school called Cats, and so there's just
Speaker 5: kind of like where do you belong?
Speaker 1: And that's where like Scott and Mitch from.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I consider I sometimes think about how how
Speaker 5: lucky I am to have been to have grown up
Speaker 5: in an environment because I think people are like Texas,
Speaker 5: what was that like? And I'm like, actually, in terms
Speaker 5: of having a place, the Foster creatively was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: A lot of other things about Texas that we don't
Speaker 1: have to go into.
Speaker 4: But the art in Dallas and the arts in Dallas
Speaker 4: is pretty good. Yes, there's a lot of acting schools.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, there's like performing arts schools all over the place.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't think.
Speaker 2: It, but it's great for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally specifically.
Speaker 3: So I mentioned earlier that you know, we rewatching it.
Speaker 3: We've had this newfound appreciation for the Warblers and the
Speaker 3: songs that you guys did. We just watched My Dark Side.
Speaker 3: What a banger, so good, one of my favorites. It's
Speaker 3: so good. You guys are great. Do you have a favorite?
Speaker 3: I would imagine that you know, Uptown Girl is probably
Speaker 3: one of your favorites to have done, because you know
Speaker 3: you played such a big part in it. But like,
Speaker 3: are there other songs that like stick out in your
Speaker 3: mind or performances from the Warblers?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say I think I was so nervous
Speaker 5: about Uptown Girl that like, in hindsight, I'm proud of it,
Speaker 5: but I was so nervous on the day because I
Speaker 5: felt like, don't this is your one shot. So I
Speaker 5: think my experience on the day was just don't blow it.
Speaker 5: I think the one that sticks out was when we
Speaker 5: did Raise Your Glass.
Speaker 1: Uh, it was like I was it was at it was.
Speaker 5: At that theater we shot it in Glendale and m hm,
Speaker 5: I remember it was like the first time that we
Speaker 5: had gotten to perform on set where there was like
Speaker 5: a bunch of people in the audience. I'm sure that
Speaker 5: already happened for you guys, but to just and I
Speaker 5: think there was like a contest that day where like
Speaker 5: a bunch of fans also got a chance to be
Speaker 5: there in the in the upper part.
Speaker 2: Of the balcony. Yeah, and there was like you know.
Speaker 5: They were obviously being told to cheer, but to do
Speaker 5: that number and to actually feel this kind of energy,
Speaker 5: it was definitely like, oh my god, this is really cool.
Speaker 5: I think that was the moment it felt like it
Speaker 5: was real that we were on the show because prior
Speaker 5: to that and it was kind of like what are
Speaker 5: we even doing here? And our stuff was at a
Speaker 5: different location, so it was kind of.
Speaker 2: Just, yeah, this extra removed. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think I'd only been maybe to the set at
Speaker 5: Paramount like once like in the process, and so you know,
Speaker 5: because we were at we were at Dalton, and so
Speaker 5: that we felt like we were here with you guys
Speaker 5: and there was this crowd and yeah, I think that
Speaker 5: that kind of solidified like, oh my god, this is awesome.
Speaker 5: And we also got to do that on tour and
Speaker 5: I love doing that song on tour. So that's the
Speaker 5: one that I always think of when I think about
Speaker 5: my memory of doing the show. I think about like
Speaker 5: being on stage doing that number in front of in
Speaker 5: front of the crowd, that's the one that always sticks up.
Speaker 4: How surreal was it doing that on tour because you
Speaker 4: also came in. I got a point in the show too,
Speaker 4: where like we had been out there a while and
Speaker 4: you guys come out and just sort of take over
Speaker 4: and do like a three song set and everyone went crazy.
Speaker 2: Every single night.
Speaker 1: I can't. I still think about it and I go,
Speaker 1: did that happen?
Speaker 2: Like it just.
Speaker 5: The concept of a TV show that gets big enough
Speaker 5: to do a tour that sold out.
Speaker 2: We were also baffled.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you know, I knew it was happening, but
Speaker 5: I almost like it was hard to take it in
Speaker 5: in the moment because you're just like, what's happened?
Speaker 1: Like this is crazy?
Speaker 5: And yeah I remember I remember like opening night in
Speaker 5: Vegas just being on our little stage in the back,
Speaker 5: you know, and.
Speaker 1: People lost their when I was like, this is nuts.
Speaker 1: I just it really it was so surreal.
Speaker 5: Because I just I kept thinking like, wow, I was
Speaker 5: supposed to do like one line on this show, and
Speaker 5: here like I get to be on stage, you know,
Speaker 5: going to London.
Speaker 1: I just when I think about it. Now, I go,
Speaker 1: did that happen? Like, because I don't think any.
Speaker 5: I cannot think of another situation where a show will
Speaker 5: do that again, like like where the where the stars
Speaker 5: will align and where you will have that kind of
Speaker 5: fan reaction that like this just took a strange and
Speaker 5: cool thing that happened in this.
Speaker 1: Little capsule of time. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 4: And there were so many of us, like I think
Speaker 4: we were so lucky to travel with, like the whole family.
Speaker 4: It was you guys and all the dancers and Alex
Speaker 4: d and then us, and it was.
Speaker 5: I feel like I get to I got to know
Speaker 5: you guys much more on that because you know, on
Speaker 5: set like it, Yeah, I'm very fragmented, and I felt
Speaker 5: like they're the pressure of doing I mean we're still
Speaker 5: doing a show obviously, but the pressure.
Speaker 1: Of like the crazy it was gone.
Speaker 5: I just feel like we all got to get to
Speaker 5: know each other in a much more chill way. And Yeah,
Speaker 5: I had such such a positive experience throughout that whole thing.
Speaker 5: It was just it was so good And and again
Speaker 5: I can't I'm also aware of how long ago it
Speaker 5: was because whenever I was tagged in some videos recently,
Speaker 5: and I like clicked the videos and like all the
Speaker 5: videos are like three sixty p and you're like, shit.
Speaker 1: That was like a long time ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the quality of the video reminds you how distant that.
Speaker 3: Yes, it makes you remind you how old you are.
Speaker 3: It's interesting though, because I never thought about it that way. Like,
Speaker 3: you know, as you worked yourself up to a guest star,
Speaker 3: you know, and got to be a part of it,
Speaker 3: you have like recurrs on our show. Also that like
Speaker 3: didn't get to go on tour with us, didn't get
Speaker 3: the extra like I think about like Max Adler and
Speaker 3: Josh Sussman and all those like and Lauren Potter, all
Speaker 3: those amazing you know characters on our show that were
Speaker 3: played such an integral part and then like actually didn't
Speaker 3: get to go on tour. And you guys, you know,
Speaker 3: had this own you became your own entity and character, right,
Speaker 3: but then got to like do all the fun stuff
Speaker 3: too outside of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why we were just like pinching ourselves because
Speaker 5: I was like, we shouldn't be here like in terms of.
Speaker 1: The just the arc of the show.
Speaker 5: But but for whatever reason, the energy, you know, the
Speaker 5: vibe moving forward, it kind of made sense, and yeah,
Speaker 5: I just I remember I think Darren said it, like
Speaker 5: was like we were like we always tick a shot
Speaker 5: backstage before we went on Teenage Dream, and I remember
Speaker 5: like having that moment at the last show of like
Speaker 5: I don't think anything like this will ever happen again,
Speaker 5: so like how cool is this? You know? And I
Speaker 5: will say on tour, I always talking about starkt At
Speaker 5: the beginning, I remember we were in Chicago and I think, like,
Speaker 5: I don't know, everybody went out to some place. It
Speaker 5: was some some nightclub or some people were like hanging out,
Speaker 5: and I think Darren texted us and was like he
Speaker 5: texted the WARBA guys and was like, hey, ditch that
Speaker 5: party and come meet my like star kid friends because
Speaker 5: they were all in Chicago at the time. And I
Speaker 5: remember that night is when I went we like we
Speaker 5: left and we went to he was having a party
Speaker 5: with like all of his stark kid friends, and that's
Speaker 5: where I met literally all the people that I now
Speaker 5: I literally see every single day of my life and
Speaker 5: I work with creatively. Like that night is when I
Speaker 5: like met all these people. So that tour kind of
Speaker 5: kind of led to that as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, what.
Speaker 2: Talk about that?
Speaker 4: What you like getting into Stark kid? What was that
Speaker 4: transition sort of like I guess was that during Glee
Speaker 4: or after Glee of because you're also doing multiple things. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you're acting and producing and directing.
Speaker 5: What what's so funny about the Tarket thing is we
Speaker 5: got invited The Warblers got invited to some like fan conventions,
Speaker 5: but the fan conventions were Harry Potter themed, which makes
Speaker 5: no sense aside from Darren because of a Harry Potter connection.
Speaker 5: So it was this weird initial thing where and I
Speaker 5: remember like going to these conventions being like what are
Speaker 5: we doing here? Like they're gonna hate us. They're not
Speaker 5: here to see the war.
Speaker 1: Like, they're here to see Harry Potter people.
Speaker 5: And I remember we went to this one convention and
Speaker 5: Evana Lynch was there. She played Luna and Harry Potter,
Speaker 5: and they like just announced that the Warblers were gonna sing.
Speaker 5: We were like, first of all, please don't call us that,
Speaker 5: because we're not endorsing that, like we're just here as us.
Speaker 1: Secondly, why like what are we going to sing? And
Speaker 1: so I like I text the guys.
Speaker 5: I was like, hey, we got to make this like
Speaker 5: Harry Potter theme somehow. So we did like a I
Speaker 5: wrote like a stupid version of what makes You Beautiful,
Speaker 5: but as like what makes You Magical? Like we were
Speaker 5: singing to Luna. We went on stage, we did it
Speaker 5: and it was like in that moment everybody went, oh,
Speaker 5: you guys are cool and it was like fun and
Speaker 5: we were all like we kept getting invited back year
Speaker 5: after year. Well every year Star Kid would also be
Speaker 5: there doing like panels and shows and stuff, and so
Speaker 5: we would always be in the green room together kind
Speaker 5: of just hanging out and I Darren and so I'd
Speaker 5: be like, oh, hey, I know Darren, and you know,
Speaker 5: I'd met a lot of them whatever, and so over
Speaker 5: the years we just got to hang out and then
Speaker 5: a lot of them started to move to LA And
Speaker 5: then in twenty sixteen, some of the guys who worked
Speaker 5: with Darren on a show him, Joey, Brian and Corey.
Speaker 5: They did actually Joey Joey was in what was that group,
Speaker 5: the Adams Apples. Yeah, he was in that one where
Speaker 5: they did they did the Big Butt song. So we
Speaker 5: did a show called Spiser Forever, which is a like
Speaker 5: gig comedy spy musical and it's awesome, it's I love
Speaker 5: it amazing. That went on amazing, kind of become a
Speaker 5: cult thing on the internet. And then from there, a
Speaker 5: few years later, I was asked to audition, and and
Speaker 5: then I started to do more stuff and produce and direct,
Speaker 5: and now I'm doing my this is my like seventh
Speaker 5: project that we're doing right now.
Speaker 1: So wow, kind of.
Speaker 5: An organic like you live here, I live here, let's
Speaker 5: let's make stuff together.
Speaker 4: So yeah, why not have you been enjoying doing like
Speaker 4: the behind the scenes stuff, the writing and directing and producing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 5: I mean I made I made my first I finished
Speaker 5: my first feature as a director last year, and and
Speaker 5: then I do a lot of we we also produce
Speaker 5: all of our shows we do. We we shoot them
Speaker 5: like a pro shot, and we put them on YouTube
Speaker 5: later for free, which is cool. And so I got
Speaker 5: to direct to the film version of a show last year.
Speaker 1: And I love it. Man, I you know, I think
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 5: I'm still I still love acting. I wish I wish
Speaker 5: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I still there's some of us. I still love it,
Speaker 3: some of you out there.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad.
Speaker 5: But I will say I think being a filmmaker has
Speaker 5: become I go, oh my god, I don't have to
Speaker 5: wait for anybody to give me permission to do anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So that's and that's the cool thing about like Star
Speaker 5: Kit and all these groups that I've gotten to work with,
Speaker 5: is it's just a lot of people taking ownership of
Speaker 5: their creativity and being like, let's just do a thing
Speaker 5: and you know, that's awesome. That's it's that's amazing. Uh So, yeah,
Speaker 5: I I love doing it. It's it's it's kind of
Speaker 5: my favorite thing that I get to do now. Even
Speaker 5: like even when I get to work on shows or whatever,
Speaker 5: I'm like, this is fine, I want to go make
Speaker 5: stuf with.
Speaker 1: Me like that.
Speaker 4: But once you know the freedom of being in control
Speaker 4: and getting to do what you want, it's hard to Yeah,
Speaker 4: and see that. I love hearing how close you are too,
Speaker 4: like like the friendships, the co working relationships, all that through,
Speaker 4: because I think that resonates with anyone we've had on
Speaker 4: here to talk about working on the show show for
Speaker 4: Jenna and myself, like the relationship mine is like the relationships,
Speaker 4: and I think it is probably because of the pressure cooker,
Speaker 4: the uniqueness of the situation that we all bonded over
Speaker 4: this thing, especially you guys getting to go on tour,
Speaker 4: which is so hard to explain to people, like the
Speaker 4: gravity of that of how those things feel unless you're
Speaker 4: inside of it to really know. And it's just so
Speaker 4: nice to I also think, you know, the people who
Speaker 4: like that show will watch that show. It's a certain
Speaker 4: type of person who like understands the creativity or the
Speaker 4: musical theater of it and the celebration of the arts
Speaker 4: in that way. So it's just nice that you get
Speaker 4: to work with people you met through it and y'
Speaker 4: still so close to people from it.
Speaker 5: Really, I mean, it really is that. It's the greatest
Speaker 5: gift that came from that for me. You know, it's
Speaker 5: like I didn't you know. I've always tried to be
Speaker 5: very clear with people. I remember, like back in the day,
Speaker 5: people like on Twitter and stuff would be like, you're
Speaker 5: not really in the show, You're barely in it. I'd
Speaker 5: be like, yeah, I know, I.
Speaker 2: Know, that's fine, Twitter, I know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Better.
Speaker 5: I always try to be clear that like, yes, I
Speaker 5: know that, but the show has still given me.
Speaker 1: It's changed my life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the relationships to friendships, the opportunities that the doors
Speaker 5: that in many ways, it still continues to open. You know.
Speaker 5: It's like a lot of those initial opportunities to do
Speaker 5: stuff was because I could say I'm on Glee, people
Speaker 5: will go okay, which warranted or not. It opened the
Speaker 5: door and allowed me to try stuff and discover new
Speaker 5: outlets of creativity. So it's like that gift alone, I'm
Speaker 5: like truly life changing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think people don't also understand, like, Okay, sure,
Speaker 4: if you weren't speaking every episode, that does not mean
Speaker 4: you weren't there crazy hours many hours in doing things. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like people don't understand the work that goes into it.
Speaker 4: And it's like even if you're on the show for
Speaker 4: one night, you're still on the show.
Speaker 1: The show.
Speaker 2: It's a full team effort.
Speaker 3: And I had one nine a lot like all the time.
Speaker 3: I just got paid a lot more. But like, shut up,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, it's just annoying. Yeah, Yeah, everybody deserved
Speaker 3: to be there, So you know, you deserve to be
Speaker 3: there as much because you guys.
Speaker 2: Are on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you guys were so you guys were like
Speaker 5: so kind to us to like just to like, you know,
Speaker 5: because stepping into that world again, it was an intimidating.
Speaker 1: Proposition of like, oh my god, I've I've.
Speaker 5: Seen the show and you know, I've seen these people
Speaker 5: win a war, you know, and and then there was
Speaker 5: just kind of an instantaneous like oh cool, awesome, yeah,
Speaker 5: and I remember it was a very disarming and like
Speaker 5: it did not feel like stepping into like oh you
Speaker 5: better step up your game. It just felt like, oh, hey,
Speaker 5: we're like here doing the same thing. And yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was. It was just like a chillness to the
Speaker 5: vibe with you guys, despite the pressure of what the circumstances. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there was just like an easygoingness that you know that
Speaker 5: I experienced with all you guys that just made made
Speaker 5: me go, I am.
Speaker 1: On this show. Cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I don't have to pretend and like,
Speaker 5: I don't know, yeah, it was, it was, it was awesome.
Speaker 2: That's excity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we never know. We caught us on a bad
Speaker 4: day because there's also like there's no point in like
Speaker 4: I don't know gate keeping anything. It's like we all
Speaker 4: got hired, we're not running the show. We're grateful to
Speaker 4: be there. You guys are grateful to be there, and
Speaker 4: we know what a slog schedule could be. So it's
Speaker 4: like what's the point of ego? Like just everybody just
Speaker 4: wanted to work. Everybody earned it, everybody got here. Yeah
Speaker 4: because Robert and Ryan and whoever said yes, So like great, Yeah,
Speaker 4: who are we to be like like, no, we are.
Speaker 2: Hired just like you did.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I've definitely worked on shows where sometimes like leads are
Speaker 5: are you know, household names like house don't don't speak
Speaker 5: to that person, don't look at that person, you know,
Speaker 5: and it's like.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool.
Speaker 5: It's hard, and you kind of feel like you're always
Speaker 5: like I'm always on the and you know, I swear
Speaker 5: that my first episode was when we shot at that
Speaker 5: that theater in Glindall, which is crazy because I lived
Speaker 5: down the street at the time, so I literally walked.
Speaker 1: And I remember just kind of being like we gonna
Speaker 1: fit in.
Speaker 5: And then you know, you guys were just like, oh hey, cool, yeah, awesome,
Speaker 5: and it was like, oh, all right, this feels like
Speaker 5: doing a show or something. So you know, there was
Speaker 5: a disarming nous to to the fact that you guys
Speaker 5: were like accepting of us, despite again despite the pressure.
Speaker 1: Of like oh god, we have to be on camera
Speaker 1: now and do it.
Speaker 4: But right, I mean, we were only a year into
Speaker 4: it too, you know, like we it wasn't that long
Speaker 4: before that we also were.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, this is crazy. Yeah, and it
Speaker 2: still was very much crazy. Yeah, exactly, it is.
Speaker 5: It is weird how you could this the craziness is
Speaker 5: craziness of it all becomes very normal and surreal at
Speaker 5: the same time, where it's like you can in one
Speaker 5: hand you're like, this is just my life. I'm just
Speaker 5: this is what I do. And then and then you're like,
Speaker 5: this is insane. It's it's a strange thing. It's a
Speaker 5: strange thing as as.
Speaker 4: A and then it feels very surreal that the craziness
Speaker 4: feels normal. Yes, yes, you check yourself. You're like, oh yeah, sure,
Speaker 4: we're going to go oprah on.
Speaker 3: Famous people go crazy, you know what I mean. There's
Speaker 3: just it's like a lot of it's a mental load.
Speaker 3: It's like a mind fuck. Yeah, before we let you go,
Speaker 3: I want to know the feeling that Glee leaves you with.
Speaker 5: I really don't mean this to sound cheesy, but I
Speaker 5: really like I would say gratitude, because when I think
Speaker 5: about it sometimes I have these feelings of like, oh God,
Speaker 5: I wish I you know, did I could I have
Speaker 5: done more to impress certain people to get a bigger
Speaker 5: role whatever, and then all that goes away when I
Speaker 5: go hold on, I got to do this incredible thing,
Speaker 5: and I got to meet all these people that I'm
Speaker 5: now still getting to make stuff with and often making
Speaker 5: this stuff with now that I'm the most proud of.
Speaker 5: And so I think that the biggest takeaway I have
Speaker 5: is like gratitude. I think at the time it was
Speaker 5: in the middle of it, I felt a little anxious
Speaker 5: of like, am.
Speaker 1: I doing enough? I am? I am I performing whatever?
Speaker 1: And now I'm just like that was awesome. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: I believe I did that.
Speaker 5: So I'd say gratitude because it, you know, it really
Speaker 5: did change my life and continues to in many ways.
Speaker 2: That's not cheesy. Oh amen to that.
Speaker 3: I like that one.
Speaker 2: That was good.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for taking the time to
Speaker 3: come on and chat with us. And it was so
Speaker 3: good to see you again. It's so good to see you,
Speaker 3: and like congrats and all the star kits. Yes, thank you,
Speaker 3: that's amazing.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. It's cool.
Speaker 5: I feel really lucky that we get to like make
Speaker 5: stuff and pay ourselves.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the dream.
Speaker 3: Dream job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, work with your friends, work at people you love
Speaker 4: and trust, and make money to do it well doing
Speaker 4: it can't get better than that. Well, thanks, Kurt, thank
Speaker 4: you so much.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I mean and truly, like Kurt was, they really were
Speaker 3: so did from us, Like it was really such a
Speaker 3: different experience. Like they shot at that beautiful Red Cross
Speaker 3: was it the Red Cross? I think so in like Pasadena,
Speaker 3: and it was so pretty to visit, but imagine that
Speaker 3: being their home, like paramounts our home. It's so so different,
Speaker 3: and we really were very separated from them. So it
Speaker 3: was very cool to hear from him.
Speaker 4: It's it's very much akin to you know, when Chris
Speaker 4: and Leah started to go to the New York sets stuff,
Speaker 4: but they were at least still on Paramount. Like these
Speaker 4: were people we didn't know very well and they never
Speaker 4: shot where we shot, so we never saw them. And
Speaker 4: then the show comes out and you see how successful
Speaker 4: they're being, Like that's crazy, that's still part of.
Speaker 2: The same show. And we have little to interaction with them.
Speaker 3: Until Darren like really started dating, you know, Layne and
Speaker 3: Kurt started really dating, and then he joined the New directions.
Speaker 3: We didn't even get like a lot of him, so
Speaker 3: like imagine you know these guys not being in the
Speaker 3: glee club at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're such a wholesome bunch, Like truly, no, they
Speaker 4: really are. I remember sometimes being like, they can't be
Speaker 4: that happy all the time.
Speaker 3: I know, and they were. It's like Darren were You're
Speaker 3: like you guys, like are you It felt vake right,
Speaker 3: You're like that can't be real. But they really were
Speaker 3: so great.
Speaker 4: They were so grateful, And it's also one of those
Speaker 4: weird things of Darren was like the perfect personality type
Speaker 4: to be with them, Like they all fit together. And
Speaker 4: I think again the magic of Robert and UdK casting
Speaker 4: of like they really put all of them together in
Speaker 4: such a smart and sustainable way that makes us set happy,
Speaker 4: that makes all those the time you actually spend filming
Speaker 4: is so little compared to the time you spend not
Speaker 4: filming on set. And to create a happy environment and
Speaker 4: happy workplaces I think really hard. And I think Robert,
Speaker 4: whether intentionally or not, really did a great job with
Speaker 4: all of us of making it a really happy workplace,
Speaker 4: balancing those personalities. You know, Yes, Kurt, it was so
Speaker 4: good to talk to you. Thank you for coming on.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 4: Look out for all the new Starket projects he's working on,
Speaker 4: because that just sounds incredible.
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