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Speaker 2: I'm just about that action boss.

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Speaker 3: Eleven trained men face to face on the field of

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Speaker 1: It's one quiet a time, cours large.

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Speaker 2: See that thing up there that's a school board is

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Speaker 2: probably the morning all the time. You ain't knowed us

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Speaker 2: no more?

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Speaker 1: Now make it up there up there out all right?

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Speaker 2: Hit that horn, babe, let's day. Welcome to the Action

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Speaker 2: Network Podcast. I am your host, Evan Abrams, and today

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Speaker 2: I am joined by Action Network NFL expert, the one

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Speaker 2: and only Chris Raybond. What up, Chris? How you doing? Man?

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Speaker 1: But cold on Evans?

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Speaker 3: Uh? You know, I'm showing just uh being a Giants

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Speaker 3: fan and hating our quarterback situation right now. As I've

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Speaker 3: mentioned to last time, But the draft is getting a

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Speaker 3: little closer, so starting to get excited.

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Speaker 1: We're still itching for trade. Maybe we'll talk about that

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's honestly a little bit crazy. We haven't at

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Speaker 2: a trade yet when I feel like in most recent

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Speaker 2: years there's some sort of movement. But I think you

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Speaker 2: and I have a bit of a reason why. We'll

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Speaker 2: get into that in a little bit. But today I

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Speaker 2: feel like Final four week. This is literally the time

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Speaker 2: where the draft starts to bloom. This is kind of

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Speaker 2: when I start to get excited about a lot of

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Speaker 2: So we are literally going to start at the top

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Speaker 2: of the draft, which cam Ward again not much of

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Speaker 2: a conversation as he's like minus two thousand right now

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Speaker 2: to go number one. I don't think I'll toss it

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Speaker 2: to you before we move on to number two and

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Speaker 2: probably the more interesting stuff. But really no movement. There

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Speaker 2: no care in the world.

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Speaker 3: He's number one, right yeah, and I think he is

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Speaker 3: the best quarterback in the draft, and therefore, you know,

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Speaker 3: the most probably the most valuable player in the draft,

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Speaker 3: especially to the.

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Speaker 1: Teams that are drafting early.

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Speaker 3: But even if Tennessee and up trading out of that pick,

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Speaker 3: which we've heard kind of whispers that they're not not

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Speaker 3: everyone in the organization is sold and that could just

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Speaker 3: be a smoke screen to see, you know, what kind

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Speaker 3: of offers that they can they can get before draft day.

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Speaker 3: But if they do end up trading out, the rumor is,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Giants at one point, we're trying to

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Speaker 3: go from three to one so I think that would

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Speaker 3: still be to select cam Wards. So either way, uh,

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Speaker 3: betting cam Ward. You know that was something I mean,

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Speaker 3: we've been talking about this week. Now it's minus two thousand.

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Speaker 3: I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't touch it at this point.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't think it's whatever whatever that implied

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Speaker 3: odds is. I don't think it's worth risking, you know,

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Speaker 3: for a little little return. But I'm pretty pretty pretty

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Speaker 3: good bet that cam Woard does go number one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think at this point we had discussions about

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Speaker 2: I think the Jets, the Browns, the Giants. I just

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Speaker 2: think we were waiting for Chador to potentially be challenging

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Speaker 2: Ward for one, but instead and this happens in some drafts.

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Speaker 2: He's now challenging Dart for two and three, and that's

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Speaker 2: kind of what happens in some of these. I think

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Speaker 2: now is the odds on favorite. He's about minus two

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Speaker 2: some exactas. So overall, what are your thoughts on both

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Speaker 2: of those picks, because I think they kind of work together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So really, what you're gonna do here is you're

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Speaker 3: going to find value on every outcome, but the consensus,

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Speaker 3: I think Cleveland's still in play. The Giants obviously aren't

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Speaker 3: Just because they signed these two veterans doesn't necessarily mean

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Speaker 3: but still some value on Sanders, he's just two to one.

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Speaker 3: They're again, I can't see the Giants passing on a

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Speaker 3: either way that would still be you know, if you're

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Speaker 3: just slides one spot, you know, maybe you know, Browns

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Speaker 3: Carter at plus three forty is a possible scenario as well.

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Speaker 2: do we feel like if Cleveland passes on him the Giants,

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Speaker 2: that would be something the Giants would do in their

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Speaker 2: situation because many people, honestly haven't even been having that conversation.

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Speaker 2: Every time we talk about the Giants, it feels like

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Speaker 2: But in the sense that if Carter, you know, actually

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Speaker 2: whether that's taking Shador, which I kind of agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right on the eight to fifty. Just

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Speaker 2: I think it's either Shador two or Carter. It two

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Speaker 2: mocks with Shador in the twenties to Minnesota, Yeah, Denver, Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: don't even know. Yeah, I don't even necessarily know if

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Speaker 2: interesting because I think we're forcing Ward as the top

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Speaker 2: be very fascinating about the lead up end. If no

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Speaker 2: I just think no one's forcing it because no one

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yes and no.

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Speaker 3: I So, I personally think Ward is deserving of that

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Speaker 1: But they want to keep all avenues open.

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Speaker 3: Right, so you know they're they're trying to you know, see,

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Speaker 3: you know, we already heard rumors that the Giants did

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Speaker 3: We've heard that Shador is falling, and we saw we've

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Speaker 3: one after signing two veteran quarterbacks. That has to be

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Speaker 3: for Ward, right, So I think I think the demand

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Speaker 1: I mean most people think it's going to be a

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Speaker 3: I think Ward is you know, generating you know, the

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Speaker 3: and I think he does deserve it. I think a

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Speaker 3: So I'm not too worried about Ward. I think Shador

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Speaker 3: he might be underrated because you know the you know,

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Speaker 3: some of the he's not going to be the most

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Speaker 3: But when you talk about the mental game, the processing play,

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Speaker 3: playing clutch moments, you know, play behind poor offensive lines,

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Speaker 3: under pressure, all that kind of stuff. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: growing up in an NFL family, just everything else, uh, Intangibly,

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Speaker 3: I think Shador has it. So you know, it's just

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Speaker 3: he might be more like in the two tongue of

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Speaker 1: That's all. So it's not not.

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Speaker 3: Quite as sex sure, But and then and then Dart

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Speaker 3: could be a bust. I think Shador is a much

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Speaker 3: higher floor guy, But this is the NFL, and only

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Speaker 3: you know people are going for ceilings. So that's why

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Speaker 3: I think Dark is gaining some interest. But back to

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Speaker 3: Carter really quick at numbers, I don't think it's likely

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Speaker 3: that the Giants would take him, but if there, if

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Speaker 3: he's there at number three.

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Speaker 2: How about this, if it's Carter or Hunter.

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Speaker 3: Like I think they think they take on because because

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Speaker 3: if you're looking at their depth chart, Yes, you signed

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Speaker 3: Paulson Adebo for one of the cornerback spots, but Deontay Banks,

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Speaker 3: I know you spent the first round pick on him,

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Speaker 3: but I don't think that you can pass up a

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Speaker 3: generational talent like Hunter because you so you know your

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Speaker 3: Hunter a lot more. Remember you got Burns, you paid

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Speaker 3: I think New England is a lot more likely to

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Speaker 1: But I just want to mention.

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Speaker 1: Now he's not odds on, but he's still the favorite.

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Speaker 3: So that just tells you that nobody really knows anything

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Speaker 3: or so Carter. That would mean Carter would drop to four.

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Speaker 3: Now New England could trade out of this pick, but

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Speaker 3: either way, I think if they do, I think somebody

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Speaker 1: Likely, so three to one and good value.

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Speaker 3: And then will Campbell plus three fifty You know, Membo

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if Campbell odds came down for this

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Speaker 2: Had talked about it last week. I liked Campbell maybe

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Speaker 2: I think at four to New England does have some

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Speaker 2: it's just I think you want to look at some

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Speaker 3: If the four go yeah, and I think five is

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Speaker 1: I think they might trade.

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Speaker 1: Guys they want to are gone. So uh, and we

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Speaker 3: Appetite to do that is, because again new regime, it's

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Speaker 1: It would just seem like we're chasing.

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Speaker 3: We got to kind of we would have to just

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Speaker 3: selection but you know, and then offensive lineman's plus one

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Speaker 3: tight end plus nine hundred, wide receiver plus eleven hundred,

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Speaker 3: So Jacksonville wasn't great last year. A lot of holes

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Speaker 3: new regime could trade back, could trade up. Who knows

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Speaker 2: I kind of wish I like the wide receivers at

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Speaker 3: It's worth yeah, because because you know, you know Cohen's

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Speaker 2: Etn wasn't even in my thought process as I was

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Speaker 1: Do you kind of see that too, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: for that number one slot, because I don't think that

437
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Speaker 2: either of them are that type of amazing player. But

438
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong. McMillan has the body for it, like

439
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 2: we've seen him do you know, some crazy athletic things,

440
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 2: and he is a big target, but I just think

441
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 2: he's missing a little bit of those intangibles. But maybe

442
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 2: I'm wrong.

443
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with you.

444
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 2: He doesn't.

445
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 3: I don't love him on tape. Again, I'm not like,

446
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 3: I'm not the biggest you know, tape college tape grinder.

447
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: So take that with a grain of salt.

448
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 3: But I golden is somewhat exciting because you don't have

449
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 3: to be elite when you have that kind of speed.

450
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 3: Right like we saw it was worthy where he went

451
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 3: at the end of you know, the first round, and uh,

452
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 3: he kind of started the season, you know, a little

453
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 3: bit slow, you know, and but down the stretch he

454
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 3: became one of the chiefs most important players. They're not

455
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 3: their most important player on offense outside of my homes.

456
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 3: So I do think that speed in this day and

457
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Speaker 3: age is something that somebody's gonna covet, And that's that's

458
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Speaker 3: why I've I have that golden to go over McMillan,

459
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 3: and I do think that that's that's kind of going

460
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Speaker 3: to be the sentiment.

461
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're just not really hearing a.

462
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Speaker 3: Ton of buzz about McMillan, you know, so far, he's

463
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Speaker 3: kind of just by default that number one still that

464
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Speaker 3: number one receiver in a lot of people's mocks and

465
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Speaker 3: so he is coming off the board in most mocks

466
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Speaker 3: in the in the middle of the first round.

467
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Speaker 1: A lot of people I'm going.

468
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Speaker 3: To the Cowboys, but Cowboys usually take best player available,

469
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Speaker 3: and so I don't necessarily know if they would have

470
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Speaker 3: him graded that highway.

471
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think Golden to Seattle is an

472
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 2: interesting look at eighteen. Just you know, I'm not.

473
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Speaker 3: I'm not of that mind like it talked to me

474
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Speaker 3: about this because like I see this in a lot

475
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Speaker 3: of places, Seattle to wide receiver, right, I still think

476
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 3: that Seattle is a threat to either trade down or

477
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: just call a different direction because you got a defensive coach,

478
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: you got uh, you spent a lot of money on

479
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup, you signed MVS.

480
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 1: You know, Tyer Lockett wasn't really.

481
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Speaker 3: A big part of your offense to where I know,

482
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 3: and listen, JSN is a first round pick, and then

483
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 3: you signed Cooper Cup to essentially you know, a week

484
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 3: wide receiver money, especially given his age. So I just

485
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 3: don't know if they're gonna put that many resources into

486
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 3: wide receivers for Sam Darnal and you know, and they

487
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 3: paid Sam Donald, So I mean, what is why why

488
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Speaker 3: do you think because I see this a lot of

489
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 3: like make the case for I guess for Seattle to

490
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Speaker 3: go wide receiver there.

491
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Speaker 2: I mean to be fair looking at the market, wide

492
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: receiver isn't the favorite on their board right now. It's

493
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 2: offensive lineman at plus one fifteen right now, wide receivers

494
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 2: about three to one. I just see it as more

495
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: of like, yeah, you got Cooper Cup. I think we

496
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 2: all know what Cooper Cup's future is, which I think

497
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: is a year, two years, three years, Like he is

498
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 2: falling apart in a sense, and a lot of the

499
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: metrics that you and I value. I do believe that

500
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: he might have a little bit of a spurt getting

501
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: into a new location. But I think Donald flourished because

502
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 2: he had options, Like Minnesota was a good team that

503
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: helped him do stuff. And this is anybody who's pro

504
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: Donald will say this that the Jets couldn't offer him,

505
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 2: that Carolina couldn't offer him, like it was just a

506
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 2: better team around him. So I think Seattle probably sees

507
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: that and says, this is one of the ways we're

508
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 2: going to get the most out of him. Now, maybe

509
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: it's not a first round pick on Golden but I

510
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: do think that trying to do their part to try

511
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: to help him out is to their best nature here,

512
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 2: Like it's the way they're going to find their way

513
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: to a few more wins and the reason why they

514
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: made the switch. So I just think adding another speedster

515
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: in a sense, but someone who's a playmaker onto the

516
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: field is good. Now. I think they have other needs

517
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: and that's the reason why wide receiver isn't the favorite.

518
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: But I think it's a sexy thing. And I also

519
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: kind of like the parlay of and we're going to

520
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: talk about this in a little bit, but like McMillan

521
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: over Golden to go first and trying to pinpoint one

522
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 2: of those teams that might be more interested in him

523
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: than McMillan, And so that that was my initial thought process.

524
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, to be fair, i've seen a

525
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: lot of MOX.

526
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 3: I think the majority of mox I would say, have

527
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 3: Seattle taken a whid receiver?

528
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: I disagree with that. At plus two forty.

529
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 3: Number one, that's interesting because it's such a popular mock

530
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 3: for Seattle to take a while receiver.

531
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's plus two forty.

532
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: So I don't know if you want to call that

533
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 3: reverse line movement, but I mean, if if you're out

534
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 3: there doing mox. Yeah, you better gobble that plus two

535
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 3: forty up, because uh, I mean that that's still good value.

536
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: I can't knock the value at at plus two forty.

537
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 3: I still think when you look at Donald's first of all,

538
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: I don't think this is gonna go as well. You know,

539
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: Donald believing Kevin O'Connell, h and Justin Jefferson. Yes he's

540
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 3: getting Jason, but I don't. I think they kind of

541
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: miss valued Cup and now.

542
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: But I do think they really need to to.

543
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: I think we agree. I think we agree. I'm just

544
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: trying to say what I think Seattle's trying to do, right,

545
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: Like I agree, taking him away from those targets and

546
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: replacing him with Cooper, Cup and JSN and whatever they're

547
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: gonna put together isn't going to be what Minnesota had.

548
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to like figure out what the vision

549
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: is so I wouldn't be shocked by that. I am

550
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: a little shocked by the odds because I do see them,

551
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: like you said, going wide receiver in a bunch of mocks.

552
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: But again, offensive line is the favorite. They do have

553
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: a bunch of needs, so maybe that is the direction

554
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: I had.

555
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: And remember, like once you get to this part of

556
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 3: that once you get to the like certain teams where

557
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: it's kind of hard to pinpoint exactly you know, what

558
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: they might do or what they might do if this

559
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: one guy is not on the border, that one guy's

560
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: not on the border, if they don't go with this

561
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: one position. That just remember, trades are a possibility, and

562
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 3: those are the teams that are probably more likely to

563
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: trade either up or down. So you know, I do

564
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: think that I do think Seattle should go or should

565
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 3: try to make a move for oh Line because I mean,

566
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: we saw Darnold those last couple of weeks.

567
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's gonna need protection.

568
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: He's got one guy that can get open, and a

569
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: lot of people, I guess want him to have a

570
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 3: second guy. But I mean, I don't even know if

571
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 3: like McMillan is necessarily that guy.

572
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: And you know, we'll see if doubt what Dallas does.

573
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 3: You know, maybe they do take Golder, maybe there's a surprise,

574
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: maybe Golden's gone by them. So yeah, I just think

575
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Speaker 3: I think Seattle should not do that. But who does

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think the Jets are quite interesting.

632
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633
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634
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636
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637
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638
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639
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640
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,960
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641
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,120
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642
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,480
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643
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644
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645
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646
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,680
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647
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,400
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648
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: I just when I look at this Jets roster.

649
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650
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651
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652
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653
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654
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Speaker 3: any means done at quarterback, no matter what they say.

655
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: You know, again, it's a lot.

656
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 3: Of smoke screens, smoke screens, excuse me this time of year,

657
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 3: and you got to kind of sift through them. So

658
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: Jets seventeen one draft the quarterback love it.

659
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a first of all, between a

660
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: few different books. Right now, you're getting some very different

661
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: prices on the Jets, and I've done some comparison over

662
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: the last like twenty four hours. The Jets are very different,

663
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: which is unlike some of these other teams. But I

664
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: think it's probably interesting. So quarterback at eighteen to one

665
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: at MGM and then you've got at FanDuel it's twelve

666
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: to one. But the more interesting thing is the more

667
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: interesting thing is offensive lineman is odds on minus one

668
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: zero five at FanDuel and two to one at MGM,

669
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: So you've got definitely some different prices. So the way

670
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: on April second, April third, whenever you're listening to this,

671
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: I would probably attack it is you go two to

672
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: one offensive linemen on MGM and you hit that eighteen

673
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: to one quarterback. Kind of like having those two tickets

674
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: at the moment, because I think the quarterback aspect of

675
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: the Jets is great, Like it's it kind of out

676
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: of left field, but it all makes complete sense and

677
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: it needs a few pieces to maybe fall to them

678
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: to make it worth their wat But on the other hand,

679
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: I do feel like offensive linemen by the time they're

680
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: up is like, let me get what I need the most,

681
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: and maybe at that point it's best available, But at

682
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 2: that point it's I have justin fields if I didn't

683
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: do the quarterback thing, and I think getting him help

684
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: in that sense, and not wide receiver help or running

685
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: back help, but protection help, which I think will help

686
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: him more than that makes complete sense in that situation.

687
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: So I think the two to one price is intriguing.

688
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: So that is my thought on the Jets.

689
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, go wait, I was gonna say so. Justin Field's

690
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 3: Madden rating seventy three. Now, rookie quarterbacks usually started out

691
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 3: right around in that sixty seven to seventy ish range,

692
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: So I definitely think the Jets are in play for

693
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 3: a quarterback just based on Madden rats.

694
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: I like that, is cam Ward going to be ahead

695
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: of Justin Fields in Madden rating? That's gonna be an

696
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 2: interesting question I would predict.

697
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: Maybe.

698
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: I think Cambodon probably starts like maybe like a seventy.

699
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say seventy one.

700
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: By week four or five, I say, Madden raiding to

701
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: cam Ward. But we'll see how that goes.

702
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Justin Fiel's gonna be starting by week

703
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: Is he gonna start week one?

704
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: Who knows?

705
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: I mean that's a market to watch out for. But yes, Jets,

706
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: I don't think they're comfortable. We feel as the top

707
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: end truck.

708
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: All right, go to your number two one because I

709
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: don't have them listed as well.

710
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chicago Bears are interesting as well, just because you

711
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: can have kind of different angles and takes about the draft.

712
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: And depending on what board you're playing, and you also

713
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: mentioned you know what sight you're betting up, but depending

714
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 3: on what board you can kind of leverage it. So

715
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 3: the Bears, there's some spots where I would kind of

716
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: fade them and fade Warren going, you know, in the

717
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: top ten. A lot of people think he's going to

718
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 3: the Bears. But on DK, Chicago to draft a tight

719
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: end with their first selection is seven to one. And

720
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: I've seen a ton of mocks where if Genty is gone,

721
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 3: and which very possible just again with the rise of

722
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 3: the running back again last year and just his overall

723
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 3: talent and the trade uncertainty at the top of the draft.

724
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: If Genty is gone, I think the Bears, you know,

725
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: old lines probably off the table because you shored that

726
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 3: up in free agency, and I think it's a little

727
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: early for wide receiver, you know, maybe maybe maybe they

728
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: do that, But I think tight end is really that

729
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: other position that we've seen them consistently with Warren being

730
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 3: mocked to them. So it's almost I would say eighty

731
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: ninety the mox I've seen it's either Genty or Warren

732
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: to the Bears and Chicago to draft the tht in

733
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: first seven to one.

734
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: A lot of value there, I think.

735
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna talk about it another team that connects

736
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: to your Chicago pick, because I think the tight end

737
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: position right now is a little bit intriguing, and I

738
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 2: think the most intriguing is Indianapolis because everybody has Tyler

739
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: Warren there at fourteen, they're like plus one twenty. I

740
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: was trying to get the most updated there, oh plus

741
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: one oh five now to take tight end with their

742
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: first pick. I was just trying to go a little

743
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: contrarian in two ways with that slot, assuming Warren might

744
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: be gone. I was waiting to see Loveland potentially going

745
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: in that fourteen slot, and then I was gonna say, well,

746
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: maybe we're just wrong all all together. I mean, even

747
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: though they only have Ogle, Tree and Woods on the roster,

748
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: and tight end might make sense for the team offensive linemen.

749
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: I saw it like plus three fifty, it's down to

750
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: plus two fifty in some slots. Might make sense for

751
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: Indianapolis in that position, especially because tight end feels a

752
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: little more volatile. Like again, if Chicago reaches for one

753
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: of them, do they grab the other, which we'd have

754
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: to wait for markets on Loveland, but the other one

755
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: Loveling to go before Warren. And I've talked about this before,

756
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: but it's I see the highest price about plus five

757
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: point fifty right now. I think it's a fifty to

758
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 2: fifty proposition in some respects in terms of who people like,

759
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: because I have seen Love Loveling go a little bit

760
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: higher in some of the mocks. I think Warren is,

761
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: you know, understood to be the favorite. But I do think,

762
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: like I thought with Campbell last week, there is some

763
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: rooms for some tightening in the markets there. So that

764
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 2: was my thought with Indianapolis. What any thoughts there before

765
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: I keep.

766
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: Going, Yeah, I'm I think I'm more bullish on Warren

767
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: being the noble one tight and over Love and I

768
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: just think and maybe it kind of circles back to

769
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: the fact that I just don't think there's as much

770
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: of an appetite in this particular draft for pass catchers

771
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 3: at the top of the draft. So you know, I

772
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 3: still think Warren is going to be kind of viewed

773
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: as as the top tight end on most team, if

774
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: not all teams boards. But I will say, uh back,

775
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: going back to Indianapolis quarterback twenty eight to one. If

776
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: quarterbacks slide, I mean you know, Anthony Richardson. They could

777
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 3: say whatever they want. The bottom line is he can't

778
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: stay healthy and half the time it looks like he

779
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: can't throw the football. So and then you got Daniel

780
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: Jones behind him. Who So there's a lot of teams

781
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 3: that have two guys on a roster, and I think

782
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: that's kind of depressing their odds to to draft another quarterback.

783
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: You know, the Giants signed your veterans and then you know,

784
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's like, oh, they're a lot

785
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: to go hunter and this and that.

786
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 1: But yet what do we hear, Oh, they're trying to trade.

787
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 3: Up to it to number one, And so the Colts,

788
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think, you know, if let's say, let's

789
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 3: say Warren's gone and quarterbacks are sliding, I could see

790
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: some maneuvering for them, whether we're ever may be whether

791
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: it's up whether maybe they maybe they say, hey, you know,

792
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: we wanted Warren uh Loveland, we don't have them graded

793
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: as high and so we're gonna trade down and a

794
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 3: quarterback just falls to them like who. You know, there's

795
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: a lot of different outcomes for for the for this

796
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: Colts team as well, because I do think I'm more

797
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: bullish on Warren. I have seen, you know, a lot

798
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: of mocks. Again, I've seen him to Chicago, and you know, uh,

799
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 3: I think that if he goes to Chicago and he could,

800
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: he could also go even higher than that, or he

801
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: could go before Indianapolis, or they may not, you know,

802
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: I mean, tight end wasn't a big party. They kind

803
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: of tobble together their tight end by committee. You know,

804
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: maybe they just don't want a guy like Warren necessary.

805
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: We don't exactly know. So I think there is value.

806
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: I think you're on the right track just fading the

807
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 3: Colts to take a tight end here. But I wouldn't

808
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: brew out something like quarterback because I wouldn't be comfortable

809
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: with Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones at the top of

810
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: to try to.

811
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: Quarterback quarterback is an interesting thought. I hadn't even thought

812
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: about that, just because we'd had so much conversation around

813
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: those two guys. But bringing in a third body isn't crazy,

814
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: especially at that price. I kind of want to just

815
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: get your opinion on this other team. So case at

816
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: thirty one, obviously Super Bowl happens, you know, pass rushes

817
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: like it was at a law Super Bowl in twenty

818
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: twenty you end up taking Creed Humphrey in the second

819
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: round of that draft, so people kind of think that

820
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: offensive lineman might be something they would be looking at.

821
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: The thing is they have thirty one, sixty three, sixty six,

822
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: and ninety five, so four picks in the top one hundred,

823
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: so I do think there is a chance to get that.

824
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: The one thing I was looking at, which is just

825
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: very Kansas City, would be wide receiver or running back

826
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: like them potentially trying to find some sort of other

827
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: value in the draft as some you know player fell

828
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: to them, And now thirty one is pretty deep, so

829
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the really good players, like

830
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: even if you like McMillan over eighteen and a half,

831
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: he's not probably falling to Kansas City, and then you know,

832
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 2: Hampton's not gonna go there, Golden's probably gonna go earlier.

833
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: So I was trying to find some sort of interesting

834
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: casey angle. Now, wide receivers like forty five or fifty

835
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: to one. Running back is in that fifteen to seventeen

836
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 2: to one range, so I thought those might be some interesting,

837
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: you know, long shots, and then the actual bet would

838
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: be the d line, assuming they don't go o line first,

839
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: and they kind of wait for those picks after. I

840
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: think sureing up something like that on the defensive line

841
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: at like a plus two to twenty range would be

842
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: probably the bet I would make right now.

843
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I you know this is if you're just

844
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: asking me what I think Kansas City will do. I

845
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: don't like I think running back is a little bit

846
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: intriguing because, like you said, they do have some picks,

847
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I don't. I don't think they could

848
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: package enough to and I don't I don't necessarily think

849
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: they would want to package enough to jump up for

850
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 3: you know, to go all the way up to get

851
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 3: a guy like maybe. I mean that's it's not out

852
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: of the realm. I mean, they did take Edward d

853
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: Lair in the first round. I know, not this not

854
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 3: the same player at all. But you know, they so

855
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: that they will take running backs early in the draft.

856
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: But uh, you know, maybe a guy like Hampton, you know,

857
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: maybe that that's where they use those picks to move

858
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 3: up just just a tad maybe maybe you know, five

859
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: ten spots, uh and snag a guy like Hampton. But

860
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: I'm thinking I don't think it's gonna be wide receiver

861
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: because you spent the pick on Worthy last year, you'll

862
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 3: probably you'll probably have Rice for you know, a decent part.

863
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: Uh we'll see what happens, but you'll probably have Rice

864
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 3: for at least some of the season. And you resigned

865
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 3: Hollywood Brown, you resigned Juju, who is very solid for you,

866
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: So I don't think wide receiver is a big need.

867
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 3: You got Chelsea and great. You know, I think pass

868
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: Catcher's fine. Now running back they really did struggle, but

869
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: it was really Pacheco. I think the fact that they

870
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 3: got Hunt off the couch in like week five and

871
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: he was very productive might dissuade them from going up

872
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 3: for running back. So that just weaves me back to

873
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: uh edge and yeah, always got to get that passwords

874
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 3: going because you got Jones on the interior and and

875
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: Karlostus came on. But I still think a team that's

876
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: that has Super Bowl aspirations year in year out, you know,

877
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 3: always wants to fortify uh the edge and O line.

878
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, you know you signed Jayalen Moore.

879
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: That could be a really good signing for them, but

880
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: you know, you still don't know what you're gonna get

881
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: out of sue mateya and you got Kylie endo there

882
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: who's pretty bad last year. You can't count on him,

883
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: and uh, you know you lost uh you lost your

884
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: guy uh to me. So I still think that like

885
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: O Wine and the Chiefs are generally a smart team.

886
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 3: So I think one way or another, whether it's trading up,

887
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: trading back, uh, they'll probably find a way.

888
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: To to to take somebody in the trenches.

889
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I mean I assume trenches was the

890
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: was the market or the position they were going to

891
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: go for offensive linement is on. So I was attempting

892
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: to try to be like, okay, well at thirty one,

893
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: especially with the fact that they had those picks for

894
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: in the top one hundred, and they might be able

895
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 2: to fill some slots in other ways just because it's

896
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: so deep in the first round. But completely get it. Yeah,

897
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I have some other teams here, but is

898
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: there anyone else from a position standpoint you're interested in

899
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: talking about? I have Miami, I have something on the Chargers,

900
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: but I just want to you know, across the board now.

901
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's go back to Miami.

902
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: I think Miami is interesting because you did mention that

903
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 3: you know, maybe they're thinking post Tyreek Hill, and you know,

904
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: you gotta maximize a tongue of iy looa. You can't

905
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: have him just sit like a sitting duck in the pocket.

906
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: So you know, maybe maybe that's where Golden ends up

907
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 3: and they're twenty two to one to take a while

908
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 3: receiver first. Now, I'd be careful with the skill positions

909
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: in general, because I do think, you know, just because

910
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 3: we all love fantasy and whatnot, that you know a

911
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: lot of times the skill guys, quarterbacks, running back to

912
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: wide receivers tight ends tend to be overvalued. But I

913
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 3: mean twenty two to one worked a little bit of

914
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: a sprinkle there for Miami. You know, offensive linement is

915
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: the favorite at at even money, but you know you

916
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 3: could see them going You could see them going defense

917
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: as well. I mean remember the year before last when

918
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 3: their whole entire defense got got hurt.

919
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't I wouldn't rule out defense either.

920
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 3: I don't think they're necessarily a lock to go offensive.

921
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: And that's as is the case with both of these

922
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 3: teams in these favorites here. But I mean, you got

923
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: wattle Hill and then your number three is Westbrook, A

924
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: key Nane and you got the Gadget guys. So you know,

925
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: maybe they feel like that that's enough and they feel

926
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: like they fortified that, especially because they got John New.

927
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: But you could also see something like a blockbuster involving

928
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 3: you know, maybe maybe Tyry Keller gets traded right or

929
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: something like that. So again, these trades can really turn

930
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: everything upside down. So wouldn't be wouldn't be shocked if

931
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: Miami went somewhere a different direction besides offensive line with

932
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: their first pick.

933
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean their mocks are kind of all over

934
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: the place. Last week I saw a bunch that kind

935
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 2: of liked Starks the safety there. This week it's completely different.

936
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got some Will Johnson's, you've got some

937
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: Kenneth Grants. I get, at least recently. Again, we had

938
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: talked about maybe one of the wide receivers to go there,

939
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 2: but to be fair, I mean wide receivers forty five

940
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 2: to one to be that pick for Miami. So that

941
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: would be a long long shot that you believe that

942
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: they're trying to, you know, move on from Tyreek and

943
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 2: put something next to Waddle or something like that offensive lineman.

944
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 2: Right now, one book plus one seventy to me is

945
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 2: probably the best price you're gonna find because I just

946
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: based off of when we watched with Miami last year,

947
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: I just don't know how you don't take an offensive

948
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: lineman to help protect, you know, even if it's okay.

949
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: So this is a bit of a contrarian thought, but

950
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: I think two of right now is on like basically

951
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: a one year type deal in a sense. I think

952
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: if one year goes by again where they don't get

953
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: what they're looking for, I think they are going to

954
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: try to potentially look for another quarterback. And I think

955
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: with that being said, protecting him with an offensive lineman

956
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: and getting that at plus one seventy in this slot,

957
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: I think is a smart move at the moment. That

958
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 2: is my personal opinion. But you also have again master

959
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: all over the place because you've got also eight to

960
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 2: one for cornerback at one book five to one at another.

961
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: It's just the prices are really really staggered when it

962
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: comes to Miami. So I think it's more about what

963
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: do you think they're going to do and take a

964
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: stab than anything else. But I think they are super intriguing.

965
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll say this, I think defensive line maybe just.

966
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: As big or even a bigger than a brand. Yeah

967
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: than offensive.

968
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: I mean, like right now, your starting depth chart is

969
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of guys coming off back off injury,

970
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: like Chubb and Phillips and Brooks, and then you got

971
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 3: you know, Matt Dickerson.

972
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: Cyler has been great, but I think you're a little

973
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: thin there.

974
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: Uh.

975
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 3: And then in the secondary as well, you know, Jaywen

976
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: Ramsey getting a bit older. Your your your safeties are

977
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: Ashton Davis and Melafanmu. I don't I don't think you

978
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 3: can rely on those guys, you know, Holland Uh, uh,

979
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: you know, moved on. So yeah, I think I think

980
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: secondary and uh and FT seven for Miami is uh

981
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 3: it is a big need and uh a possibility. And

982
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: you also could just be in the situation where you know,

983
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: Miami is at a at a kind of weird spot

984
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 3: in the draft where maybe it's just not a spot

985
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 3: where they they they value an offensive lineman quite that

986
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 3: high because you know, uh, right after that, I'm really

987
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: only seeing you know, uh, the guard from Alabama Hooker.

988
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 3: You know, he's usually go around, you know, in that

989
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: thirteen to eighteen range. But you know, if Miami, you know,

990
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: doesn't have a high grader on him or he's gone

991
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: or whatnot. A lot of defensive players, a lot of

992
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 3: a lot of other non offensive linemen in that in

993
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 3: those teams.

994
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: Uh.

995
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: So it's it's definitely not a short thing. It's it's

996
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: probably it's the need, it's in need. But again I

997
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: think it's early, and these these lines are not super sharp.

998
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: So I we're you know, plus one seventy.

999
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: Uh.

1000
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: You know that that's fine.

1001
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 3: But I think a lot of these other ones, like

1002
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: you said, are a lot more intriguing, namely safety, corner,

1003
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: wide receiver if they end up doing something with with

1004
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 3: with hill and uh and defensive line edge.

1005
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: I think cornerback is the one. It was eight to

1006
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 2: one last week down to six to one. Now see

1007
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of Will Johnson's uh mocked there. So to me,

1008
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: that would be the one I would. You know, it's

1009
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: a bit of a falling knife, because I do think

1010
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: it's gonna come down a little bit, but I think

1011
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 2: it's worth a stat That's what I've got for position. H.

1012
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: But but I know you wanted to hit on some

1013
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 2: of these draft positions, right because these are these are

1014
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 2: literally just came up at least I saw in the

1015
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: past week or so, which is basically, you know, Ash

1016
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: and genty, all these different players, Jackson Dart have a number.

1017
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 2: Darts is twenty one and a half, or at least

1018
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: it was, and it's basically will he go over that

1019
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: mark or under that mark until in terms of where

1020
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 2: he will be drafted. You could just kind of start

1021
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: down a list here and I can have some feedback.

1022
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: But there is a bunch of players with some numbers,

1023
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: So why don't you start it off?

1024
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we know how I feel about Dart.

1025
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 3: I I would take the under on him, but not

1026
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 3: one of my favorite bets.

1027
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: But I kind of went down.

1028
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: The list and just noted some that I think are

1029
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 3: somewhat interesting. Genty over nine and a half at plus

1030
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 3: one forty five, that means he'll go ten or later

1031
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: and you're getting plus one forty five. I really think

1032
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 3: it's a toss up between Vegas at six and if

1033
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 3: not them, I think I think you're probably looking at

1034
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 3: Chicago at ten.

1035
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: Now again they're are you could.

1036
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 3: See a trade up, who knows, But if he if

1037
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 3: he's already falling, you know, past Vegas, I think it

1038
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: might just be a signal that okay, teams are just

1039
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 3: gonna kind of stick to their guns in terms of

1040
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 3: the running back valuation. So I think over nine and

1041
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: a half because I think it's about fifty to fifty

1042
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: between Vegas at six and in Chicago at ten.

1043
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: Any thoughts there, it's a pass for me because I

1044
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 2: just feel like at this point Vegas is so locked

1045
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: on that that I mean, if it's not Vegas, I

1046
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: think it's a great bet. I just can't. I have

1047
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 2: to pass at the moment, just to even look at it.

1048
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: Keep going.

1049
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 3: Jaylen Walker under eight and a half at minus one fifty,

1050
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 3: I really think he's unlikely. Just Carolina is an eight.

1051
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 3: I don't think he's likely to slide past Carolina. And

1052
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 3: then that's one of the reasons I talked about, you know,

1053
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: Vegas potentially passing on gentsy again, they may want to

1054
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 3: take a guy like a Walker, So I think, you know,

1055
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 3: six is possible. I think, you know, even the Jets,

1056
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 3: I think teams anybody asked that that doesn't need a quarterback,

1057
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 3: and you know, after those premium guys are off the

1058
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 3: board a threat to take Walker, So minus one fifty,

1059
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: I really don't think he falls outside of the top eight.

1060
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: So not not a crazy you know.

1061
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,959
Speaker 3: It's a little bit of juice, but uh, I feel

1062
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: pretty good about him talking about Shudor already. But I

1063
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 3: would I would go under three and a half at

1064
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 3: plus one forty. Again, I still think, like I know

1065
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: that there's this slide going on, and there's probably better

1066
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 3: markets to bet him.

1067
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: We talked about, you know, you can.

1068
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 3: Bet the the you know, the the third pick and

1069
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 3: all that different those different things. But if I'm just

1070
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 3: looking at his over under, I still think it's more like, uh,

1071
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 3: more like fifty to fifty that he or even better

1072
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 3: that he goes. He still goes in the top three.

1073
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: He's a lot of still a ways out, a lot

1074
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 3: of smoke screens this time of year, and you know,

1075
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 3: you still could have a surprise guy like Dart, you know,

1076
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: Dart up no no pun intended, and you know, still

1077
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 3: go in that.

1078
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: So I like getting that a plus money.

1079
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 3: Ted McMillan over eighteen and a half plus one fifty,

1080
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 3: I'll take that all day. I think, again, there's just

1081
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 3: not a ton of teams that are really desperate for

1082
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 3: wide receiver help, and I think the reason this is

1083
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: priced at eighteen and a half is because Seattle's sitting

1084
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 3: there at Aten he's mocked there or and they're mocked

1085
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 3: with a wide receiver in a lot of drafts. But again,

1086
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 3: I think Golden has a shot to go ahead of McMillan,

1087
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 3: and even if he doesn't, I don't think it's a

1088
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: guarantee that a team like Dallas, who most people have

1089
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 3: mocked for a wide receiver. I don't think it's a

1090
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: guarantee that they go wide receiver because they tend to

1091
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: go you know, best available, so and you know who know.

1092
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 3: I mean, they were talking about trading Dak and he's

1093
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 3: there's a lot of different things that could be going

1094
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 3: on with Dallas. So yeah, I would take the plus

1095
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 3: one fifty all day with teed Tyer Warren over ten

1096
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 3: and a half Chicago. You know, Now this is when

1097
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 3: where I'm saying, before I said Chicago to take a

1098
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 3: tight end was seven to one, that's where you want

1099
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 3: to bet on Warren going in Chicago. But I would

1100
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 3: go over ten and a half at plus one fifty

1101
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: because Chicago, I don't.

1102
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: Think it's a lock.

1103
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: You know, maybe GENTI falls you know, you you mentioned

1104
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: maybe even they would like love win more or they

1105
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 3: could just go in a different direction.

1106
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: They could trade out of the pick. Who knows.

1107
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 3: So again, don't think there's a crazy appetite for pass

1108
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 3: catchers at the top of this draft. And you know,

1109
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 3: so Warren could swip and end up going to the Colts.

1110
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 3: And if you think he's going to the Colts, I

1111
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 3: mean you could get the plus what is it, I

1112
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 3: think it's plus something there and plus one fifty for

1113
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 3: him to go over ten and a half. The Colts

1114
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 3: are at fourteen, So like that, Campbell under nine and

1115
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 3: a half at minus one eighty five.

1116
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: I think you and I both feel pretty strongly.

1117
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: That you know him and Membo are both you know,

1118
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 3: the top two offensive lineman, and I do think you'll

1119
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 3: both of those. It's going to be too off the

1120
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 3: line going to go in the top nine. So minus

1121
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 3: tent eighty five you're paying a little bit of juice,

1122
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 3: but pretty confident about that. I mean, Campbell could goes

1123
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 3: high as four, so don't mind paying that. And then

1124
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: one more Will Johnson the corner under eleven and a

1125
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 3: half at plus one thirty, So he's a bit of

1126
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 3: a wild card. You never know with corners, and sometimes

1127
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: it's surprises. But the thing I will say is the

1128
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 3: overwhelming majority of mocks do have him going to New

1129
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 3: war Winds at number nine and so again it's probably

1130
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty at worse. So we'll get eleven and

1131
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: a half at plus money. I'll take the under on

1132
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 3: that all day. So those are those are the ones

1133
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 3: that kind of stuck out to me just going down

1134
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 3: the list.

1135
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: What do you think we agree? Yeah, we agree on

1136
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: a bunch here. Let's start at the top for me

1137
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: and I'll go through this basically some of the ones

1138
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 2: that you did and just you know, kind of agree

1139
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: if you hit on it. But Dart is actually up

1140
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: to twenty three and a half. I see it one

1141
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 2: go yeah, yeah, sorry, down DWN Yeah, down to twenty

1142
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 2: three and a half. So I actually like that even more.

1143
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 2: I even think twenty one Pittsburgh is something intriguing for

1144
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: when you get specific markets, you know, bringing in Rogers

1145
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 2: and someone else for after Rodgers, I think is kind

1146
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: of an interesting way to attack that. I agree with

1147
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: your Jalen Walker. I also think Michael Williams under fifteen

1148
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: and a half some Georgia defenders going early in drafts

1149
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: is nothing crazy. I also feel like eight Carolina, eleven

1150
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 2: San Francisco, twelve, Dallas, fifteen Atlanta. Like for Williams, I

1151
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of slots. I think the more

1152
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: important one is Atlanta. If he goes to Atlanta, which

1153
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 2: I've seen a bunch of mocks with him, you do

1154
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 2: hit that under fifteen and a half, I think we agree. Yeah,

1155
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: So we agree on Tyler Warren. I think the over

1156
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: ten and a half at plus money is just a

1157
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: little crazy at this point because I think he would

1158
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: be basically asking him to go to what nine New

1159
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 2: Orleans in most.

1160
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: Situationsgo that's the worst Chicago.

1161
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 2: But I see Chicago doing other things as well, though,

1162
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: Like I still see in a bunch of options there

1163
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: that take them out of that market. Uh. And you know,

1164
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: Indy is just so pointed at tight end that I

1165
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: do feel like ten and a half is a little

1166
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: wrong right now, So that that would be my uh

1167
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: pick with you. And we agree on Campbell and Johnson.

1168
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: So Will Campbell we've talked about. I think he's I

1169
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 2: think there's probably better prices than the one eight. Yeah,

1170
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: like cause I think you know, we talked about this,

1171
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: you know, going first of the offensive Linemans, like, I

1172
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: think there's better ways to play it, but the concept

1173
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: of under nine and a half I think is good.

1174
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: And Will Johnson I actually really like this, uh Like,

1175
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: I think at this like, I do think there is

1176
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: options for him to come over that mark, but I

1177
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: think at plus money like you know, Saints Dolphins, like,

1178
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: I understand the Dolphins would be the over, but I

1179
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: think at nine New Orleans it does offer a lot

1180
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 2: of options for him at that slot, So I do

1181
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: think you know, listen, I think the Raiders at six

1182
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: for gent is probably the right move. But could he

1183
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: even go that high? I guess potentially, But I do

1184
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: think it plus money Will Johnson is a good bet now.

1185
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 3: And I should point out though, if you really like

1186
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 3: Will Johnson to go to New Orleans, you're actually better

1187
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 3: off going I'm looking at DK. I'm sure there's odds

1188
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 3: there might be even long Gerridge, but a DK New

1189
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 3: Orleans position of first drafted player cornerback is plus three hundred,

1190
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 3: So you gotta even double the odds there. If you

1191
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 3: think he's going to New Orleans specifically now obviously, well

1192
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of other ways you could

1193
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 3: do that. A couple a couple of outs to plus

1194
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 3: one fifty with eleven and a half because ne Orleans

1195
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 3: is that nine, But I just thought i'd point that out.

1196
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 3: Plus three hundred is some nice, nice juice there for Johnson.

1197
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 3: And what's his most most mocked spot by far?

1198
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like and it's important to mention this,

1199
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: each of these bets or concepts we have on each

1200
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: of these players, you really have to just write down

1201
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: what you think is going to happen and then look

1202
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: across the market to find the different ways to potentially

1203
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: play it, because it just sometimes it is a little

1204
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: difficult to pinpoint and you can't just look at one book.

1205
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: You can't just look at one market. You know, if

1206
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 2: you like Will Johnson to all of a sudden kind

1207
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: of rush up the board, well, you know, is it

1208
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: the underdraft position, is it the position of a team?

1209
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: Is it specific to a team? Like, there's different ways

1210
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: to probably attack it, which I honestly can't say it

1211
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: enough this time of year, as you definitely have to

1212
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: like look around at a bunch of different places to

1213
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 2: see what they're offering and kind of put some of

1214
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: the puzzle pieces together.

1215
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and another thing I want to say because that's

1216
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 3: a great point is that you don't the odds are

1217
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 3: so this is not a sharp market, I'll put it

1218
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 3: that way. And so yeah, you don't even have to

1219
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: take these stands necessarily. You can actually account for different

1220
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 3: outcomes just based on the odds you're getting at different

1221
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 3: books like you mentioned, and in different markets like for example,

1222
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 3: I'm not sure exactly what Chicago is going to do,

1223
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 3: you know, is gently going to be there, are they

1224
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 3: going to go tight end or are they going to

1225
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 3: do something else? But you can you can go, you know,

1226
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 3: them to take a tight end with their first pick

1227
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 3: at seven or eight to one.

1228
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: Those are great odds.

1229
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,959
Speaker 3: And you could also fade Warren to go later than ten,

1230
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 3: and you could so you could do both and you're

1231
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 3: essentially covered there and you're getting plus money.

1232
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: On both of those bets.

1233
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 3: So you can kind of really, you know, kind of

1234
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 3: focus in on, you know, the guys that you want,

1235
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 3: you know, probably going to skew towards you know that

1236
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 3: the top of the board and those guys in the

1237
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 3: top fifteen, ten, fifteen.

1238
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: Twenty picks.

1239
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 3: But you can kind of look at those guys and

1240
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of different ways where you could kind

1241
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 3: of hedge based on multiple outcomes, including the two most

1242
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 3: likely outcomes, and still be getting plus money either way,

1243
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 3: so that those odds might sharpen a little bit as

1244
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 3: we get closer to the draft. But great opportunities across

1245
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 3: the market right now as new courses.

1246
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, another example, like you like McMillan over eighteen and

1247
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: a half, you can also take Dallas to take a

1248
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 2: wide receiver, which is like plus two fifty. So there's

1249
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 2: just you know, there's ways to you know, have one

1250
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 2: bet and have one that's a little bit contrary to

1251
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 2: the other one, but at least at plus money. All right,

1252
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 2: Well that's all I've got today. We've done like an hour,

1253
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 2: and every single week we are going to be back

1254
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 2: here kind of reviewing everything that's happened in the league,

1255
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 2: talk about some of these odds, some of these different

1256
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 2: props that are coming out, and as we get closer,

1257
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 2: there's going to be a ton more options in the market.

1258
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 2: So we will be here. Thank you for listening, thank

1259
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,120
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1260
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,800
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1261
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,080
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1262
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:59,960
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