WEBVTT - Ep. 75: My Crappie Swing Has Mad FG-Force

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<v Speaker 1>For the kid. It's like, I don't feel like walking

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<v Speaker 1>the dogs today. It's like, yeah, let me see you

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<v Speaker 1>stand outside until two o'clock in the morning and subarctic

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<v Speaker 1>conditions cutting out cod tongues, you know. For that's such

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<v Speaker 1>a punk. Pulled the lever for the parliament, went outside,

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<v Speaker 1>smoked one dude. That thing must have been in there

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty years. I took like one drag and I

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<v Speaker 1>think the whole cigarettes just went up in that place.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, come up to the Pilaski. Man, everybody's just

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<v Speaker 1>got motto on their fly reel. I always feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it's too difficult of a not it's actually pretty easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, all right, and good morning to gendered anglers,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to Bent, the fishing podcast that prefers to

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<v Speaker 1>wet its knots with someone else's saliva before sinching them tight.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Joe Surmelli. That's how you get the COVID and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hating salmac. Yes you are? You are still hating?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah? And yeah today, how are you feeling better?

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<v Speaker 1>By the way you're all over your you know? Oh yeah, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I said, I didn't really end up

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<v Speaker 1>again like that. Stick to begin with, you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the long COVID very thankfully, No, I do not. It

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<v Speaker 1>appears away. It might drop dead in ten years, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know I don't. Yeah, well, yeah, so so might

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<v Speaker 1>we all? Who knows? Anyway, Uh, today on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see what we got. We're gonna talk about get this.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a bar today with its own theme song.

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<v Speaker 1>Excited about that, And we're gonna talk about knots and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody loves to talk knots, right, um, And by the

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<v Speaker 1>end of this you you might finally get off And

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<v Speaker 1>by you, I mean you hate and finally get off

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<v Speaker 1>the clinch knot I think you use for everything. Isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that what you do? It's so easy? I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean sort of sort of it is. But life, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes life is hard anyhow? Um you know? So hey, look,

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<v Speaker 1>you did finally make it back to Montana. Did Phil's

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<v Speaker 1>announcement last week spark spark a little more enthusiasm to

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<v Speaker 1>get back? Did it once again? Early again? Joe? And

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<v Speaker 1>then listeners, here's a weekly reminder that I am, in

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<v Speaker 1>fact not high. Yeah. I don't know why people won't

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<v Speaker 1>let this go. Have you guys ever considered like I

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<v Speaker 1>might just be kind of dumb. No no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't say that You're not dumb. You're just You're

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<v Speaker 1>just special and that's why we love you. And I

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<v Speaker 1>hope it never dies. I think we should just keep

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<v Speaker 1>that one going, you know. Thanks anyway, Yes, I did

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<v Speaker 1>in fact make it back to Montana. Yeah. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with all those delays and and rescheduling, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>got to thinking about it, and I'm like, you were

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<v Speaker 1>here for so much extra time. We probably still could

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten a fishing trip in. We didn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>you were going to get stuck. But in hindsight, I'm like, damn,

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<v Speaker 1>you actually were here with a negative COVID result for like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, three or four more days and you should

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<v Speaker 1>have been Yeah. Um, and the weather was nice, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean relatively speaking, so uh yeah, we we probably could have.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did get to hit the I did get

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<v Speaker 1>to hit the ice. I was gonna say, you did.

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<v Speaker 1>You did one wish did come true for you? You You

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<v Speaker 1>got you finally got back out there and back out

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<v Speaker 1>on the ice this weekend. How was that? It was good?

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<v Speaker 1>I got to break out all that ship that thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>sent me and everything that i'd hoped for and more.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. So now having actually finally gotten to

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<v Speaker 1>use it, um any any favorite piece of of thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>fishing gear emerge out of the glorious pile you were sent. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get into it, like you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about a little more in this episode later on.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, what we ended up fishing for was mostly like,

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<v Speaker 1>there was this farm pond that we ended up fishing,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I bought a lot of the lighter stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there aren't any like Walleye or like anything

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<v Speaker 1>super big in it. But I was fishing one of

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<v Speaker 1>those little ultra light omens with like the split grip.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that thing, man, It's it's unbelievably sensitive and

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<v Speaker 1>so like the blank starts around right and then the

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<v Speaker 1>tapers into like a flat like ribbon of metal. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's the tip of supersensitive. So you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>use one of those what do you call like those

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<v Speaker 1>like spring dipper things. Oh god, yeah, I know you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm talking about. I I do. I don't,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, I don't know the lingo, but I know

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what you mean. But yeah, those rods are pretty

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<v Speaker 1>slick like the tip of those rods. It's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a noodle, but it works somehow, especially light for

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<v Speaker 1>smaller light biting fish. Yeah totally. I mean, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's good for two things, right, You can really

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<v Speaker 1>see anytime something interacts with your bait. And then also

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<v Speaker 1>if you just like move your wrist to touch, it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of works as like a spring to amplify that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it gives you like a really nice action. And

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<v Speaker 1>that rod, because of how it's designed, has some really

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<v Speaker 1>like it has some surprising backbone to it too. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually hooked into like a fairly sizeable brook trout, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fifteen inches, which you know for a brook trod,

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<v Speaker 1>was like a great brookie And man, I licked that

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<v Speaker 1>thing before it knew it was hooked, you know. So anyhow,

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<v Speaker 1>the split grip Ultra light omen is a new favorite,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm a big fan of that. Yeah. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>lick a lot of brookies before they know they're hooked.

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<v Speaker 1>When you do that, you would end up over your shoulder,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, on those little streamers like

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<v Speaker 1>to fish just like, oh he's behind me, Tony. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's actually not where I thought go with that.

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<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, no, I could have gone in several directions,

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<v Speaker 1>but I chose that one. Um, since you we choose

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<v Speaker 1>to wed our brookies with other people saliva too, Yeah right,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly exactly. Um. But well, looks since you've left, it

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<v Speaker 1>has gotten colder here, um, but still not cold enough

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<v Speaker 1>for local safe ice. So I'm not using any of

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<v Speaker 1>my thirteen nice fishing gear, at least not around the way.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, Maybe a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>skim ice that's gonna go away when it gets back

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<v Speaker 1>to forty five this week. Um. Anyhow, moving on to

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<v Speaker 1>those knots. Did you know I'm actually fascinated by fishing knots.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's why. I think that anglers obsess over them

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<v Speaker 1>too much. Right, Like, in my opinion, there are four

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<v Speaker 1>maybe five knots every angler should know and that's it. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, we were joking about me using a

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<v Speaker 1>clinch knot for everything. That's not exactly true, but uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think they're like people are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta use this for this, and this for that

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<v Speaker 1>and this for there are a whole bunch of knots

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<v Speaker 1>that have like different applications, right, But you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that you know, if you're a saltwater fisherman,

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<v Speaker 1>you use a series of knots if you're yeah, as

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, right, so it's situational. And now,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, every anglersh should know the clinch, palamar,

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<v Speaker 1>non slip, mono loop and a unique union splice. And

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<v Speaker 1>then like you say, there, there's there's outliers like if

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<v Speaker 1>you fly fish for trout, you gotta add a blood

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<v Speaker 1>not today have to know how to tie that. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>If you saltwater fish, you should probably be able to

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<v Speaker 1>tie a spider hitch. Maybe not the Bamni twist, but

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<v Speaker 1>the spider hitch. Um. But what I see happening, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>is these new knots get popularized by the internet right

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<v Speaker 1>on like TikTok and reels. There's always these little tutorials

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<v Speaker 1>on tie these crazy knots, which is fine and new

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<v Speaker 1>is good, there's nothing wrong with that. But then what happens,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like other knots apparently become weaker. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're still tying the palamar. That's so two thousand five dude,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Only only not I'll use

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<v Speaker 1>these days to San Diego jam, Like, come on, man,

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<v Speaker 1>and not that was good ten years ago. It's still

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part of good. Knot Yeah, people are

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<v Speaker 1>too obsessed with knots, man, And like, here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>If I wanted to spend all my free time tying knots,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd get into crocheting and not like five fishing. The

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<v Speaker 1>my like kid basically is like five turned clinch kids,

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<v Speaker 1>the improved clinches in garbage. Don't use it, um oh,

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<v Speaker 1>explain yourself so you don't go back through the loop

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<v Speaker 1>to make it improve. Because here's like the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>to me, because of how that not tightens when you

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<v Speaker 1>pull it back through, sometimes that loop will close on

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<v Speaker 1>your tag end, and before the the turns around, your

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<v Speaker 1>main line have like seated themselves. So you're saying a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times and this is just for me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't say it's garbage for everyone. Man, If you're

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<v Speaker 1>better at that, I just find that they don't sit

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<v Speaker 1>as well. And I find that I guess it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of I guess an opening that loop a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>by bringing your tag end back through, you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>take some pressure off of it. And I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>not cutting in so much. But no, no, I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>trying to give you a hard time. It's actually I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I was intrigued that you said that because there have

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<v Speaker 1>been articles written right and and some other like really

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<v Speaker 1>hardcore anglers that say the same thing. You don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to go back through the loop. I don't think you

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<v Speaker 1>need to do that, man. I think it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>I think it depends. Yeah, I think it depends on

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<v Speaker 1>what you're tying it with. But my point I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say was, even though I've read them and I

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<v Speaker 1>probably think that's right, I can't not do it. I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>But I can't not go back through the loop. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know other fishermen who read the same thing. They're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can't do it. I can't not. It just

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel right. I will say before we move off

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<v Speaker 1>of this um. The only time that I tie it

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<v Speaker 1>is if I'm using a clinch shot for some reason

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<v Speaker 1>on like a bigger hook that for some like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to smell or something like that. Like so

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<v Speaker 1>if if I'm like bait fishing or whatever. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to think of like a good way to wrap

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<v Speaker 1>this up. If I'm using like, if I'm using a

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<v Speaker 1>hook with like a heavy gauge wire and I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>a clinch shot on it for some reason, I will

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<v Speaker 1>use the improved clinch because the diameter of like the

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<v Speaker 1>hook I sometimes your regular clinch will slip a little bit. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's what it all boils down to, is diameter.

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<v Speaker 1>In a matter of fact. You know, if if you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing twenty pound tests or heavier, you don't need five

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<v Speaker 1>turns three, I'll do it and we turn clinch on

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<v Speaker 1>a heavy saltwater leader. No problems there, No problems there anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get off of that now. And I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to reiterate that new you know, it's not that new

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<v Speaker 1>knots aren't cool or good. It's just that I think

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<v Speaker 1>we get obsessed with them. And there's one not in

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<v Speaker 1>particular that has really blown up and let's say the

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<v Speaker 1>last five six years or so. So we're gonna move

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<v Speaker 1>been to actually a very special tackle hacks for a change,

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<v Speaker 1>UM with Elite series bass pro Carl Jakobsen, who was

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<v Speaker 1>here a while ago, UM to discuss this not and

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<v Speaker 1>let's see if he sells you on the merits of

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<v Speaker 1>what I'd considered the second most pain in the ass,

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<v Speaker 1>not next to the Biminy twist. I'm getting hacks coming

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<v Speaker 1>from inside the City the Blood at joining us today

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<v Speaker 1>for tackle hacks. Carl Jocobson is here, uh bass Master

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<v Speaker 1>Elite Series angler. You've been on before for smooth moves,

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<v Speaker 1>reminding everybody you were the first Australian angler to qualify

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<v Speaker 1>for the bass Master Elite Series. Um. Yeah, Man, whenever

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<v Speaker 1>we have a chance to get like a really high

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<v Speaker 1>caliber bass pro on like yourself, we'd be remiss not

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<v Speaker 1>to get a tackle hack, because, i mean, bass is

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<v Speaker 1>America's fish. We have a lot of anglers that chase bass.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm always so curious to hear uh tips from

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<v Speaker 1>from guys like yourself to do this for a living

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<v Speaker 1>with everything on the line, with all the pressure, something

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<v Speaker 1>that that you have in your repertoire, you lean on

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<v Speaker 1>a lot that can just make Joe Weekend Angler a

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<v Speaker 1>better bass fisherman. Man. The floor is yours, Coral, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt. Um, thanks having us on. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>best one for me is we talked about it before,

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<v Speaker 1>is the f G knot And that's a question that

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<v Speaker 1>we get asked a lot is braid to leader, what

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<v Speaker 1>not to tie? How do you tie it? Should you

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<v Speaker 1>use straight through fluora carbon, when do you use braid um?

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<v Speaker 1>But the FG not sort of eliminates a lot where

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<v Speaker 1>you can get the best of both worlds. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>a difficult not to tie, but if you learn it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of worth it. And the reason is it's

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<v Speaker 1>a platt so a lot of braid leader knots um

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<v Speaker 1>that will be the weakest point in your line and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people lose. You know, you go out there,

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<v Speaker 1>you spend all that money and and to go out

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<v Speaker 1>and fish, and then you lose that trophy fish of

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<v Speaker 1>that fish that you've been chasing for the whole time

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<v Speaker 1>because of a failed knot is not a good feeling,

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<v Speaker 1>and it happens all the time to so many So um,

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<v Speaker 1>learning a good braid lee to n is key and

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<v Speaker 1>being able to use big long leaders. When you do so,

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of get the best of both worlds. You

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<v Speaker 1>get that stretch um and the allow on their bait

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<v Speaker 1>to to move naturally with a big long fluori carbon leader.

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<v Speaker 1>But then getting the feel and the hook set and

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<v Speaker 1>everything of having braid and the and the lightness of braid.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the castability and everything that comes along with trade.

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<v Speaker 1>So the f G knot is a platid knot that

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<v Speaker 1>is very thin and long. The break the fluora carbon

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<v Speaker 1>does not turn. It stays straight, so it flies through

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<v Speaker 1>your guides super smooth. It doesn't catch and break your

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<v Speaker 1>lure off or just have a one of those ones

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<v Speaker 1>where you cast in your bait just slams the water,

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<v Speaker 1>which happens a lot with the leader. It just eliminates that.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it's a hundred percent not strength UM, so you

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<v Speaker 1>get um, that's not the weakest point in your line anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually the strongest point. It's going to break everywhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>And generally what I found when I started tying it

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<v Speaker 1>is I like to improve my not to my lure then,

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<v Speaker 1>but because that was where the point was breaking. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I've done it now to where I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where it's gonna break. When I get snagged, usually straighten

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<v Speaker 1>as the hook or break somewhere on the loudest part

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<v Speaker 1>of the later um. Although you know, usually dawn need

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<v Speaker 1>the bite where it's like being roughed up or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So for me it would be learned that

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<v Speaker 1>f J not in a good not to your bite,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you'd be enjoying fishing bride later a little better.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually really pumped you you brought up this not

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<v Speaker 1>because it's an interesting topic. First of all, if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not mistaken, it was the Australian anglers that popularized that not.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I remember, like five six years ago in

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<v Speaker 1>the saltwater scene, nobody was talking about the f G

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, I do a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>saltwater fishing. You see like that is everybody will tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that is now the only not worth using. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I use it a ton to saltwater fish, like tune

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<v Speaker 1>in stuff. But here's my issue with it, And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you have a quick add on to fix this. I

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<v Speaker 1>love it, but I need to set up all my

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<v Speaker 1>rods tonight before to be out there doing all that

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<v Speaker 1>plating and crossing over. But and if something does break,

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<v Speaker 1>or if I have to do one on the water

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<v Speaker 1>while we're rocking around in six foot seas, I always

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it's too difficult of a not to do

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<v Speaker 1>properly in those conditions. But I know some guys are

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<v Speaker 1>very good at tying them faster. Like, is there people

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<v Speaker 1>people listening. It's one you've got to look up on

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube because it's very hard to explain how to tie it.

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<v Speaker 1>But once they understand that, is there anything that comes

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<v Speaker 1>to mind that like makes you tie that knot quicker

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<v Speaker 1>and smoother on the water, it's actually pretty easy. People

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<v Speaker 1>get too caught up making it look with making it

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<v Speaker 1>look they not easy to explain why. Sorry, it's easy

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<v Speaker 1>to um, but people try and get caught up with

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<v Speaker 1>making it look pretty, and that's what happens. They want

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<v Speaker 1>it to look perfect and they want all the plats.

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<v Speaker 1>But the truth is the second that you've done five

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<v Speaker 1>uh plats, that's the knot it's done. Like all the

0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:59.240
<v Speaker 1>rest of it is just is nothing. The not, the

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<v Speaker 1>strength of the not is in those first five to

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<v Speaker 1>ten plats. And so you guys gonna have a laugh

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<v Speaker 1>at my expense, but I'm going to take that to

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<v Speaker 1>the bank because when these things first came out, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you have to do cross and you're our mouth

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<v Speaker 1>there with the thing in my mouth for five minutes

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<v Speaker 1>trying on one leader. You don't have to have a

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<v Speaker 1>certain amount, but the not strength is in those first

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<v Speaker 1>few plats. So you get them correct, then just plat

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<v Speaker 1>it and then half hitch it to finish it off

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<v Speaker 1>and just do don't get crazy. They want to do

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<v Speaker 1>all the different types of ones to make it like

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<v Speaker 1>looks like it's a needle point. And that's the way

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<v Speaker 1>I do it the night before. But during the tournament,

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<v Speaker 1>I can tie it as quicker than anyone can tie

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<v Speaker 1>night Like. I sit on the leader, I pull it up,

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<v Speaker 1>it's around my fingers. I'm like platting it and half

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<v Speaker 1>hitching it and I'm winding it up and I tie

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<v Speaker 1>it all the time. But the thing that most people

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<v Speaker 1>don't get is if you tie it the night before

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<v Speaker 1>with a leader and bass fishing, you won't have to

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<v Speaker 1>retie the next day because it won't break. It'll break

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<v Speaker 1>down near the knot and you'll be able to read

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<v Speaker 1>tay and you can retail. I dropped shots and as

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<v Speaker 1>many as a lot because you can fish a huge

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<v Speaker 1>long laid on not run adelaida to where you're having

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<v Speaker 1>to ry toy like during a tournament. It's rare that

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<v Speaker 1>I have to toy and fj during the tournament. That

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<v Speaker 1>is a fantastic tip from Carl. He knows more about

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<v Speaker 1>f gns than I do. So listen to him learned

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<v Speaker 1>the knot and then practice tieing it quick because you

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<v Speaker 1>since that one upright, it is pretty strong. I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>didn't spend an hour trying to learn that not at

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<v Speaker 1>my desk. Right after we recorded that. I actually know

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't, because right after that we were online together

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<v Speaker 1>and you fired up a tutorial video on the f

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<v Speaker 1>G on your phone, and as I recall, you watched

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<v Speaker 1>it for thirty five seconds and said, you guys are

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<v Speaker 1>such dorks. And by you guys, you must have meant

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<v Speaker 1>serious anglers that care to know more than your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>clinch knot. That's the way I interpreted that response. I

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<v Speaker 1>did say that it was too many steps. Man. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like again, if I wanted to spend all my time

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<v Speaker 1>tying knots crochet. Yeah, see I I waver right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>when it first got popular. I tried it and I

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<v Speaker 1>liked it, and I actually got made fun of for it,

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<v Speaker 1>like guys on the boat like give me a hard time,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, insisting that the unit to UNI or

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<v Speaker 1>Alberta not we're you know, we're better braid to leader connections.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't know, I know, but that's okay, um, But

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<v Speaker 1>I will say that after that chat with Carl, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>starting to lean back into it a tiny bit for

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<v Speaker 1>things I normally wouldn't write, like I only used it

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<v Speaker 1>um in offshore salt water. But after that talk, I

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<v Speaker 1>went on that brown trout trip that you missed that

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about last week, and I got to think

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<v Speaker 1>it about it, and I'm like, why not? You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, it's not gonna hurt. It can't hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>I did. I did because I'm using stick baits and

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<v Speaker 1>and fifteen pound leader because we're angling for big fish.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you notice, like, was it smoother? Well, it's always

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<v Speaker 1>that was the whole thing. It is smoother to cash

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<v Speaker 1>to right, it slides through your guides. Nice. There was

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to notice because I didn't break off. But I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't break off the last time I did it with

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<v Speaker 1>a different knot. So it's it's not really something that's

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<v Speaker 1>like that's tangible, but it's just, um, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that little bit more confidence that like if a

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<v Speaker 1>you knowty Brown comes out and tanks that it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to snap it off with a connection. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a very very solid knot, you know, right right, and regardless.

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<v Speaker 1>You know tying most of the time, if you know

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<v Speaker 1>how to do it, Tying a more complicated knot is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to hurt. It couldn't possibly hurt unless you

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<v Speaker 1>were to tie wrong right, I probably would. But what

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<v Speaker 1>is going to hurt is me crushing you Joe. In

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<v Speaker 1>this week's installment of fish News, Fish News that escalated quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>So before we kick in the news, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to say that we got some some really nice notes

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<v Speaker 1>about the bent helpline, and um, I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>thank you guys again for so many great questions, and

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<v Speaker 1>I did you know we mentioned when we kicked it

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<v Speaker 1>off that we've gotten a ton right, and we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to get to all of them, but I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I did just want to read a few very quickly

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<v Speaker 1>from Neil angling. Okay. He he wrote in with like

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<v Speaker 1>a laundry list of questions. And the only reason I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing this is because these are ones that will absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>not make a bent Helpline segment, like there's not a chance,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's still fun and I appreciate them. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>Neil asks who's more punk, g g Allen or Lemmy? Now? Why? Well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>did you really want my like longhand answer on this

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<v Speaker 1>or you wanted like short and sweet, short and sweet please? Well, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>g Allen did what iggy pop meant to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the peanut butter. Right. If you guys know G. G Allen,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll know what I mean there. Yeah. G g Allen

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<v Speaker 1>was famous for like taking a poop on stage and

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<v Speaker 1>throwing it at the audience and like smearing himself with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, Now. Let Me, on the other hand, was

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<v Speaker 1>initially in a band called Hawkwind, and Hawkwind was like

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<v Speaker 1>more like of a psychedelic sort of bent. Yeah, let

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<v Speaker 1>me decided that he didn't fit in with like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of those philosophies, famously saying that he had some

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<v Speaker 1>proclivities that we're not in line with the exact proclivities

0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:36.520
<v Speaker 1>or habits of Hawkwind, and so he left and made

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<v Speaker 1>motor Head punking two ways, Punking two ways. But I

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<v Speaker 1>still have to go with G. G Allen, although for

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<v Speaker 1>all you G. G Allen fans, he was a terrible

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<v Speaker 1>trash human being and it is very hard to say

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<v Speaker 1>anything good about him other than perhaps he embodied a

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<v Speaker 1>certain ethos I was not expecting this to to generate

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<v Speaker 1>this much conversation. I'm very surprised. Is it's great though,

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<v Speaker 1>So my answer would be in terms of like who

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<v Speaker 1>is more punk? Yes, it's G. G Allen, Like he

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<v Speaker 1>sort of lived the punk lifestyle more, but his music

0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:11.399
<v Speaker 1>was terrible. Like you're not you're not singing G. G

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<v Speaker 1>Allen in the shower? You know? Yeah you know? But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, you're right. Let's move on. Next question from you,

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<v Speaker 1>did Myles ever purchase a record player? How the should

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<v Speaker 1>I know? I have no idea if Myles ever bought

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<v Speaker 1>a record player, you'd have to ask Miles and his

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<v Speaker 1>final one here, Bob the garbage man owes me some sticks?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I send you some smokes so you can trade him?

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't picked up the pay phone number he gave me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's between you and Bob in the Better Business Bureau,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend, I'm trying to get burner number. Um. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it just goes to kind of show you the

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<v Speaker 1>range of questions we've been getting. They're all super fun,

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<v Speaker 1>but um, I don't think we could do a full

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<v Speaker 1>segment on G. G Allen. I actually think we already

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<v Speaker 1>kind of did too much. You know what I'm saying? Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the point is where really haven't fine with this. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say sorry to all the people

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<v Speaker 1>that wrote in and said I didn't notice the best

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<v Speaker 1>pro trucker hat thing and now I noticed them everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for officially ruining those. Yeah, well it wasn't us,

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<v Speaker 1>it was it wasn't us. Man. What we can officially ruin, however,

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<v Speaker 1>is Phil's day by making him listen to our ship

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<v Speaker 1>and judge our news stories. Remember, uh, this is fish news.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a competition. Joe and I do not know which

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<v Speaker 1>news story the other guy has grabbed, and our beloved,

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<v Speaker 1>loved audio engineer Phil Taylor will declare a winner at

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<v Speaker 1>the end. And Joe, I believe it's your lead this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it is too. So I'm gonna open with

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<v Speaker 1>a question before I get into this news story. What

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<v Speaker 1>was your very first job as a kid, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like like kid kid like paperboy era that type of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your first game? I was. I was a

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<v Speaker 1>paper boy in a slightly different bent. My dad had

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<v Speaker 1>a printing business. It's since like change into something else,

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<v Speaker 1>But I used to work in the bindery department of

0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:08.480
<v Speaker 1>that business, meaning I would like shrink wrap in spiral

0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:12.520
<v Speaker 1>bind things, and I still have nightmares about it to

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<v Speaker 1>this day. I remember one time, one time I did this,

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<v Speaker 1>I shrink grabbed this huge stack of hospital like forms, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and after doing that all day, Uh, this dude Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>came in with a stack of yellow papers and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot to put these on top of each one

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<v Speaker 1>of these things that you just did. You need to

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:36.720
<v Speaker 1>unwrap all of them, put this paper on top and

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:40.280
<v Speaker 1>then rewrap all of them again. So that punched him

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<v Speaker 1>in the face and got fired. No, no, I I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just did as I was told, uh, like

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<v Speaker 1>a good little drawer. And yeah, so that was my

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<v Speaker 1>first step. Okay, all right, there you go. So I

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<v Speaker 1>walked dogs. That was my first job. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>lady across the street that would pay me twenty bucks

0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:57.720
<v Speaker 1>a week to walk her dogs when I got home

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<v Speaker 1>from school. Uh, and it took me about a week

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<v Speaker 1>of doing it to not feel like doing it anymore. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>in hindsight, how lazy, Like it's a walk around the block,

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:09.399
<v Speaker 1>but I didn't feel like it anyway. You could have

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<v Speaker 1>gone a little bit more than twenty bucks. But this

0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:17.320
<v Speaker 1>was in like the forties, so that was actually yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly it was. I was like a millionaire kid. So anyway, look,

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<v Speaker 1>so now that everyone listening is reminiscing about their first

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.520
<v Speaker 1>kiddie job, um, I bet that none of them can

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<v Speaker 1>top tongue cutter. Okay. So Smithsnyan recently published a terrific

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<v Speaker 1>piece about child tongue cutters in Norway, and the tongues

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<v Speaker 1>they are cutting are cod tongues. But as I explained this,

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<v Speaker 1>I want all of you that have children and like

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<v Speaker 1>the six to thirteen year old range to decide, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>my kid could hack it or hell no. Okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>you recently covered, um, the reassessment of the cod stocks

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<v Speaker 1>in the US, right, but over in Norway there seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be a lot more of them. Those are some

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.240
<v Speaker 1>of the breeding grounds for the stocks of there, and

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:04.680
<v Speaker 1>the commercial cod fishing is still major business. So this

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:08.480
<v Speaker 1>story is setting. It's either Ryan or Rhiny, probably Rhyney,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a town in Norway's uh Lafoten Islands, Lofton Islands.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing the thing that you do where I can't

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<v Speaker 1>say stuff. Um. And this is this is of course

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<v Speaker 1>well north of the Arctic circle, right, So there's several

0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:26.200
<v Speaker 1>cod processing plants there and at the processors, the cod

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 1>bodies are dried, frozen, or salted, and then exported for food. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>according to this story, a cod tongue is squishy, gelatinous

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<v Speaker 1>and buttery smooth and likened to the filet mignon of

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<v Speaker 1>the cod, which I've never heard before. If that's the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we do here, I've never heard of it.

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 1>It's like when somebody tells me about, like I don't know, cooking,

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<v Speaker 1>like perch cheeks or something ship and I'm like, how

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<v Speaker 1>how much of meat is there? How big is a

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<v Speaker 1>cod tongue? I think cod tongues are pretty large. But

0:25:57.600 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 1>all I can think of is those stories that are

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:02.119
<v Speaker 1>floating around down that nobody grabbed for news about those

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:05.440
<v Speaker 1>parasites that just replace the fish's tongue. That's all I

0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 1>could think about, Like we should I know, the idea

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>of of of eating a fish tongue not super appealing.

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<v Speaker 1>Um anyway, So the thing about this is removing them

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<v Speaker 1>is tedious, and the processing plants just can't make quite

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<v Speaker 1>enough money off of them to to make the tongue

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:26.360
<v Speaker 1>removal worth their time, So instead they set aside all

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<v Speaker 1>the cod heads for the local kids, many of which

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<v Speaker 1>show up after school routinely to remove tongues and sell

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 1>them on their own. Now, the processors know that they

0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 1>are leaving some money on the table, But um these

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.520
<v Speaker 1>kids known as I'm gonna try really hard here, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only gonna do it once. Tongueus yarn, in tongues

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 1>yarning tong tonguas yarn and that's fine, which translates to

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 1>tongue cutters. And that's what we're gonna say for the

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 1>rest of the time. This is not something new. The

0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:01.440
<v Speaker 1>people growing up in this region, kids have been doing

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<v Speaker 1>this for generations. Um. And the processors gladly donate the

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<v Speaker 1>heads because it quote introduces young people to the fishing

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:15.040
<v Speaker 1>industry and teaches them the value of entrepreneurship and hard work.

0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:17.639
<v Speaker 1>And hard work it is per the story, right. I

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:20.359
<v Speaker 1>love this quote. H This job makes selling girl Scout

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.359
<v Speaker 1>cookies or running a lemonade stand look like child's play.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, goes on. I want to I want to

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<v Speaker 1>read from the story. It's very well written. Um Uh

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 1>that children as young as six goes straight from school

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<v Speaker 1>to the docks, where they spend hours in the numbing cold,

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 1>coated in fish guts, sharp knives in hand may seem

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre when viewed from the perspective of today's developed economies

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 1>and increasingly virtual workplaces, but the rarefied nature of this work,

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:50.399
<v Speaker 1>proudly undertaken by kids who feel a connection to the tradition,

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 1>is part of what makes the practice so fascinating. So

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 1>it says the task itself involves spearing the head onto

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<v Speaker 1>a giant metal spike and then slicing out the tongue.

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:02.760
<v Speaker 1>UH and the tongues pile up on the spike until

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:05.880
<v Speaker 1>they reached the top, where they're then tossed into a bucket. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the author says the kid's handywork was so quick

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<v Speaker 1>it was difficult to make out the distinct steps heads

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 1>where grab spikes, slice tossed, grab spike, slice tossed until

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 1>the large bin was empty and a new batch of

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 1>codheads arrived. Despite harsh winds and below freezing temperatures. A

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:24.200
<v Speaker 1>few of the older tongue cutters who worked fast, we're

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>sweating piles of snow were pink with blood, but they

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't seem to mind. Right, So there's more to it

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 1>than that, though. So they interviewed Um, a local fish

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<v Speaker 1>exporter UH and he was like, yeah, like back in

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 1>the day, I let my six year old stay out

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>there till midnight sometimes cutting these tongues. But then after

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 1>these kids are done, then they have to go home,

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:51.479
<v Speaker 1>wash their own tongues, weigh them out right, separate them,

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>package them, and freeze them. Um. And and these don't

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 1>get exported. These are mostly sold locally. So they interviewed

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>several generations of cutters. Is now a mother of kids

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 1>who cut. She says when she was young, when she

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 1>was a young girl, she made thirty two thousand dollars

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 1>over the course of six seasons and and used that

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:12.840
<v Speaker 1>to buy her first car. Now, yeah, nowadays, some of

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 1>these kids are earning more than ten thousand in a

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>single season. Right, good, yeah, right, And they talked to

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<v Speaker 1>a fourteen year old girl who basically said, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about how much I make because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. I just don't want gangster four year old

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 1>girl old business. Yeah, exactly right. So it says, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she used her earnings most recently to buy a new

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 1>iPhone and Apple AirPod so she could listen to music

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 1>while she cut. And apparently these kids all use a

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<v Speaker 1>mobile app called Marine traffic to see when the boats

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 1>are headed back to the dock. And then they sell

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 1>their tongues now on like Facebook, marketplace and stuff, which

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>some of the older people kind of said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they say, like that sort of takes away the charm

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 1>of what it used to be, like, you know, the

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 1>little kids selling tongues now it's like it's a business now. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's a lot of crafty, hard working kids out

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<v Speaker 1>there in all countries, no doubt. It's not the racket

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 1>and the hustle that that I find so special interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's the conditions. Like some of these kids will

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 1>stay out there until two o'clock in the morning cutting

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>tongues in just brutal, brutal conditions. And I fully understand

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:23.719
<v Speaker 1>that these kids are used to those conditions, right that's

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 1>where they grew up. But still, like we had, you know,

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 1>three inches of snow here the other day, and my

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>little guy, who's like the hardcore fisherman, he's outside for

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes, was like, yeah, I'm cold, and then declined

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 1>participation in all outdoor activities for the remainder of the day.

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>So good on these kids. That is impressive, And like

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 1>for the kid that's like I don't feel like walking

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the dogs today. It's like, yeah, let me see you

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 1>stand outside until two o'clock in the morning and subarctic

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 1>conditions cutting out cod tongues. You know, such a punk. Yeah, well,

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what, man, it's a different breed up there. Man,

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 1>those fishing cultures. Um. I mean you see this in

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of like, uh, cultures that rely on like

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 1>fishing or like a grarian or just what have you.

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>It kind of like just breeds this certain type of

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 1>person that is just impervious to a lot of the

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 1>stuff that like us soft Yeah, sure, no, and and

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:18.719
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly right. And I mean that's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to make it sound like, you know,

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 1>kids in the US don't know how to work hard.

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>You have kids who whose parents own ranches and grow

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<v Speaker 1>up in you know, working farms and everything. I'm saying that,

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<v Speaker 1>like the impression I get is that none of these

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 1>kids need to do this to survive. It's not like

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>they're like they're feeding their families. This is basically for

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>walking around money and rather than do what normal six

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 1>to thirteen or fourteen year olds would do after school,

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 1>like they're opting into this and that is badass, Like

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<v Speaker 1>those are some tough ass kids, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Please enter your password. You have one unheard message, Mr Smack,

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<v Speaker 1>I have the mean calling getting ship like you really

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<v Speaker 1>do you need to like do some basic research when

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing a news story on I don't know Turkish names,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe on pronunciation and bridget time air dewan. Dude, it's

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<v Speaker 1>that is the president of Turkey. It's not like an

0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 1>obscure name. That is actually the current president Turkey. You

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<v Speaker 1>should have got that own, buddy. Anyhow, we'll gets up.

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<v Speaker 1>Will end of message Delete Priss seven save deleted Phil.

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<v Speaker 1>If I were you, I would pick Joe as the

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<v Speaker 1>winner here. That's never good when you when you when

0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 1>you cross over like that. Yeah, well, anyway, I do

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:53.719
<v Speaker 1>think that I have a at least a contender here. Um,

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk to you, Joe about a Joe,

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 1>we need to talk about it. I wanted to I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to uh talk about a poaching incident that's getting

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of coverage and in fact, this comes from

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 1>USA Today, which is an interesting stories to like cover

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 1>like an outdoor story, right, Um, well, they only tend

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>to do it when it's pretty big and powerful to

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>get to get there. They also they also have that

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<v Speaker 1>that's a side site called for the wind and um,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I've had a lot of good things off

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<v Speaker 1>there anyway, God, anyway, good for you USA today. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This December, Corporal Brian Talent of Mississippi Department of Wildlife

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<v Speaker 1>Fishing Parks busted two folks who were caught with a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty two croppy over their legal limit while

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:47.200
<v Speaker 1>fishing in Mississippi's Eden Reservoir or the Spillway I guess

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 1>to Mississippi's Eden Reservoir. The limit would have been thirty

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 1>between the two of them. So for those of you

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>who can't do math, that's one hundred and eighty two croppy,

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 1>which is a crap ton of cross. You like that?

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I did like that? Oh man. I mean, you know,

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 1>these things pop up every once in a while. It's

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>it's not the first time, and I'm never less uh

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:17.719
<v Speaker 1>flabbergasted over just how how far you know, some people

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:21.399
<v Speaker 1>are willing to go over the limit. This is. That's

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>a big one though. That's a big one for for

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 1>a couple of guys. Yeah, Yeah, that's basically a truck

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>bed full of full of croppy. Now the story is

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 1>pretty like lacking in details. I tried doing more research

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:35.759
<v Speaker 1>online and I was just like looking and looking. It's

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<v Speaker 1>basically the same story, copied and pasteed, just over and

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.479
<v Speaker 1>over again. And that's really all the information that was there.

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<v Speaker 1>This person busted these people, and these people had this

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 1>many fish, and now these people are in trouble. Um

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't name the anglers, doesn't talk about the method to take,

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 1>doesn't talk about penalties, nothing that's interesting. Okay, that's that's

0:34:57.840 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 1>fairly rare. They don't get in a little bit with

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.799
<v Speaker 1>detail there for sure. So I put on my investigative

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 1>journalist hat and got on the horn with M D.

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<v Speaker 1>F W p oh phoning it in. All right, I'm impressed. Yeah, well,

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, I like to do that every

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:16.360
<v Speaker 1>now and again. Keep the people in form, should factor

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff in, By the way, I hope

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 1>he does, Phil, No matter what you're about to say

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 1>or where this goes like extra more more effort tonight,

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and everybody hung up on me the end. Uh. Anyway,

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:32.800
<v Speaker 1>it turned out there was um a lot I didn't

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 1>know about the fishery itself, and I think that information

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 1>really clears up a lot of the questions surrounding the story.

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 1>So first, let's talk a little bit about crappy fishing

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 1>in Mississippi. Uh, Joe, we both know that when you

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:49.960
<v Speaker 1>get into croppy, uh, you like really get into him. Yeah.

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, I mean it's fair it's fairly rare to

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 1>catch one croppy. If you catch one, you've typically found

0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 1>them all, or at least a handful more So yeah, yeah,

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 1>and that's just up north. Uh, Southern croppy is a

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 1>whole different ball game. It's also big business. I think

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:11.720
<v Speaker 1>it's worth pointing out that, Like, yeah, Mississippi, Alabama, Northern

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Alabama in particular. Um, I fished in in Center Alabama,

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.879
<v Speaker 1>which claims to be the croppy capital of the US. Um. Yeah,

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, by and large, in especially in the northeast,

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:25.280
<v Speaker 1>it's something that's there that you get into on occasion,

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 1>but there's not the same kind of culture around it

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 1>that there is in this area. Yeah. So again, it's

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>a whole different ball game. Um. And it's a whole

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 1>different ball game in like more ways than one. For instance, Joe,

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>did you know that you could snag croppy in Mississippi legally. No, no,

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.399
<v Speaker 1>I did not. So there are there are spill ways

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 1>across the state where the croppy congregate is like temperatures

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>drop in the winter, and it is perfectly legal to

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 1>snag those fish. In fact, one person I talked to

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 1>UH mentioned that there are even like plaques and these

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:05.759
<v Speaker 1>spill ways detailing exactly how one can legally go about it.

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:09.799
<v Speaker 1>It's one pulper angler, a maximum of two hooks, no

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:12.319
<v Speaker 1>bigger than a number two and no less than an

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 1>inch apart, and no trouble hooks at all. Wow, man,

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, that's that's totally news to me. I

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 1>had I had no idea. Um usually with any kind

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 1>of game fish, I thought there was there was, there

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:26.719
<v Speaker 1>was no snagging of it, right right, Yeah? So, I mean,

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:28.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, we know when you get onto them, it's

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.360
<v Speaker 1>easy fishing. But like, even then, a hundred and fifty

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:34.840
<v Speaker 1>two over the limit, UH seems like gill net numbers.

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 1>And the first thing I thought of was, how the

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 1>hell did they do that? Well, there's your answer. They

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 1>were snagging, which is legal. Although I wouldn't be surprised

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>if they weren't, you know, abiding by that rule. Why

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 1>they were completely ignoring you know, ignoring their limit. I

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be surprised if they were like, oh, is are

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:56.239
<v Speaker 1>these hooks more than an inch? You know what I mean? Like, well, yeah,

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean I also wouldn't be surprised if they overlook

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>the two hook um limit you know on the lines there.

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 1>But what's what's interesting to me, I don't know. It

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:09.359
<v Speaker 1>seems like if if there's a rule in place like

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 1>this right where this is legal at a certain time

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.920
<v Speaker 1>a year when the croppy you're doing this typically, I

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.320
<v Speaker 1>feel like states would put those rules into play because

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.799
<v Speaker 1>a fair amount of people, um actually want to take

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>them that way, you know what I'm saying. So without

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know all the details, but it

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:27.359
<v Speaker 1>would seem to me like if that's a thing that

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:30.600
<v Speaker 1>people do so much so that there's rules in play.

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Nobody else was down at this particular spot seeing this happen.

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they couldn't have called. They couldn't have snagged

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:40.319
<v Speaker 1>that many fish in ten minutes, or maybe they could.

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's so many in there and they put nine

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:44.920
<v Speaker 1>hooks on their line. Who knows, But I just I

0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 1>wonder about that. Yeah, well, you know that is part

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:51.280
<v Speaker 1>of the story that I couldn't find out is exactly

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 1>how this got reported, but it did get reported by

0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 1>by the public, like somebody said, suspicious activities going on here,

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 1>got it, you might want check it out. So I

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.360
<v Speaker 1>don't know exactly what that entailed, but that's what happened.

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 1>So Yeah, the guys got busted, which begs the question, um,

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:10.240
<v Speaker 1>what does the fine for being a hundred and fifty

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:14.200
<v Speaker 1>two fish over your legal limit look like? According to

0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:19.600
<v Speaker 1>the MWFPS Law Enforcement Office, the fine for the infraction

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.400
<v Speaker 1>is five hundred to a thousand dollars, Like that's your

0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:25.800
<v Speaker 1>base fine, with an additional fine of twenty to a

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars per fish over the limit. That means, as

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 1>I understand that the poachers are facing like the potential

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 1>for a combined sixteen thousand, two hundred dollars approximately half

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>of the fourteen year old girls tongue cutter money in

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:47.080
<v Speaker 1>fines for being like that, for being croppy hogging dumbasses. Yeah, well,

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:51.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I applaud the state for for thes

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.120
<v Speaker 1>per fish over I mean, they're not going to get that.

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.359
<v Speaker 1>Well that's the thing, man, Like you see a lot

0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:58.440
<v Speaker 1>of states really go for the throat and try and

0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:02.240
<v Speaker 1>set an example here, um that might do something to

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.760
<v Speaker 1>scare off the next group of guys. We we've discussed

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 1>that here before. Where just because that's the penalty, it

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:10.360
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean they're going to pay it. And you know,

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, if you're that much of a of

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 1>a jerkass to do something like this in the first place,

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 1>somebody could take your license away or whatever. You're you're

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna do it if this is what you do, if

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 1>you if you have it and you once, chances are

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do it again no matter what gets imposed

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:29.239
<v Speaker 1>on you. Just my my opinion. Yeah, yeah, well, you know,

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:31.279
<v Speaker 1>I hope they throw the book at him. Anyway. The

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 1>next thing I wanted to know is what the hell

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:38.600
<v Speaker 1>happens to all of these fish? So uh an employee

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 1>for mdf WPS Northern Regional Office. And you'll notice that,

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 1>like I've left this particular person's name out of this

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:50.960
<v Speaker 1>new story. Yeah, I was wondering if you're gonna name drop.

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, Well, I'm honestly pretty sure I was annoying

0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 1>that guy. So I didn't like ask for a lot

0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 1>of follow up, and in fact, I didn't even like

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 1>get I didn't even want to ask him for his

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 1>name again, because I was getting pretty curt answers at

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>this point. You're just saying, yeah, man a lot, is

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 1>that what the so that guy? Uh, he intimated to

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 1>me that it was up to the officer's discretion, like

0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:18.279
<v Speaker 1>what happened to these fish, meaning that the officer could

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:22.440
<v Speaker 1>basically transfer the fish wherever he wanted to. Um. I

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:26.839
<v Speaker 1>used the example of a food bank, which he said

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.800
<v Speaker 1>would have been possible if the officer had deemed it appropriate.

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:31.440
<v Speaker 1>So he saw, like these fish were all good, they

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:33.239
<v Speaker 1>were in good condition. Sure, let's get him to the

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 1>food bank, right, Um, so you know, let's hope that

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 1>that's where they ended up and not in like the landfill.

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:43.839
<v Speaker 1>I would also accept that officer hosting a badass fish,

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 1>right though. Yeah, if it's at his discretion, man party

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 1>at his joint, you know what I mean. That's not

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:52.719
<v Speaker 1>a terrible idea. That's not a terrible idea. No. So finally, um,

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was interested in like the frequency of

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 1>which things like this happened. The aforementioned guy, I'm pretty

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:04.560
<v Speaker 1>sure I was annoying, said that it happens all the time.

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.239
<v Speaker 1>But he he didn't in a shocking turn events. He

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't voluntarily like start listing off some specifics, so I

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:17.960
<v Speaker 1>followed up with with Major Chris reid Uh in the

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:24.280
<v Speaker 1>MDFWPS Central Region Office. Um, while snagging over their limit

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:28.440
<v Speaker 1>does happen occasionally, he said. Um. He also noted that

0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:33.240
<v Speaker 1>this event was particularly egregious. He said that in sixteen years,

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I haven't checked anyone that's been that brazenly over the limit.

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:39.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but that's why we're

0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 1>out here checking to make sure the resources don't get

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:47.279
<v Speaker 1>depleted in this way. I've never seen a hundred and

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:50.239
<v Speaker 1>fifty is fish over the limit. Yeah, and some of

0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 1>that stuff is going to sneak by. I think, Um,

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not easy being a being a conservation

0:42:57.719 --> 0:42:59.719
<v Speaker 1>officer in any sting, you know what I mean, there's

0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 1>only so many of you. You you you can't be anywhere.

0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, even this bust, I think, you know,

0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:09.440
<v Speaker 1>it should at least help to alleviate some of this

0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 1>and at least, you know, scare some people. I would

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 1>hope that's kind of what all you can hope for

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:18.000
<v Speaker 1>with a lot of these outcomes. Yeah, yeah, is to

0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:21.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, be taking a portion of these incidents, making

0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:26.840
<v Speaker 1>them an example and trying to dissuade others from participating

0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:31.319
<v Speaker 1>and just bullshit like this themselves. So anyhow, guys, don't

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 1>be a croppy catching ship head. I'd also like to

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:38.520
<v Speaker 1>thank Corporal Brian Talent for protecting the resource, and everybody

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 1>at m d w FP who took the time to

0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:43.880
<v Speaker 1>talk to me, even the guy who was very obviously

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 1>annoyed with my line of questioning. Well, I still applaud

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:49.920
<v Speaker 1>you for calling UM. And let's see who feels going

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:53.600
<v Speaker 1>to applaud is it croppy catching ship heads or UM?

0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:57.320
<v Speaker 1>The lovely, the lovely, you know, beautiful children of Norway

0:43:57.360 --> 0:44:00.880
<v Speaker 1>who are up there cutting cod tongues while we um,

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, live live the lavish life down here. We're

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna find out who wins. We're gonna hear from Phil

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:11.480
<v Speaker 1>and then we're gonna go have a drink in a

0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:18.359
<v Speaker 1>Yanzer establishment, if you know what that means. I don't

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 1>really open up about my process very often on this podcast,

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm kind of

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:30.080
<v Speaker 1>tired of poaching stories and unless it involves someone named

0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:33.360
<v Speaker 1>the Breeze, I'm also getting a little sick of record stories,

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:36.800
<v Speaker 1>So Hayden, I commend you hitting the pavement for this story,

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>but I gotta give it to Joe this week. I

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:44.000
<v Speaker 1>wonder if G. G Allen knew about these Norwegian kids,

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:46.440
<v Speaker 1>he could have invited them up to cut cod tongues

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:49.000
<v Speaker 1>out on stage as as opener. That would have been

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:55.160
<v Speaker 1>punk as hell best God damn bar tender from tim

0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Buck to to Portland, Maine the Portland argument for that matter.

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 1>So where are we going for some SuDS this week?

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Yinser country? How about that Western p a You ever

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:12.280
<v Speaker 1>spend any time out there? I went to visit Carnegie

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Mellon one time, and that is the extent of my

0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:17.759
<v Speaker 1>travels to Pittsburgh. My my wife actually applied there and

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:20.160
<v Speaker 1>when UH check that out too, ended up not going

0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:26.720
<v Speaker 1>passed on that I'm not getting. I wasn't even gonna

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:29.360
<v Speaker 1>do it. You did it to yourself. Uh So anyway,

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:32.040
<v Speaker 1>So I've done some catfishing in the Burg, literally right

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 1>in front of the stadium, and that was cool, and

0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:37.160
<v Speaker 1>that was with my old buddy Joe Gordon of the

0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Three Rivers Catfish Club. I've also done some muskie fishing

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:43.400
<v Speaker 1>on the Allegheny, but I've never been out there for trout,

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and there is some damn fine trout water out that way.

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 1>In fact, some of it runs directly behind this week's

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 1>drinking establishment, which was submitted by listener Matt Wagner. Right. So,

0:45:55.280 --> 0:45:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the the official name of this place is the Halton

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Sportsman's Lodge, but according to Matt, everybody knows it as

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:07.120
<v Speaker 1>the Halton Hilton. Here's how Matt opens up this fantastic nomination.

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 1>As a young man, I dreamed of having a beer

0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 1>in the famed Halton Hilton. This bar has a storied

0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:17.520
<v Speaker 1>past and is really a cultural staple in the Allegheny

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.480
<v Speaker 1>National Forest. My family has had a camp in Halton

0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 1>since the mid nineteen fifties, and the Halton Hilton was

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:28.480
<v Speaker 1>established in the late fifties. It's located in Elk County, Pennsylvania,

0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:31.279
<v Speaker 1>south of Ridgeway on the banks of the Clarion River.

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:34.719
<v Speaker 1>My father and I caught some beautiful trout from the

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:37.759
<v Speaker 1>hole directly across the bar, and at the end of

0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:40.799
<v Speaker 1>the day enjoyed plenty of straw beers before heading back

0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 1>to camp. According to relatives, people just started calling it

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.919
<v Speaker 1>the Halton Hilton and the names stuck. People come from

0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:50.120
<v Speaker 1>miles around to check this place out, and it has

0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:52.480
<v Speaker 1>almost become a right of passage to have a straw

0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 1>and a quote belly buster bellybuster. Right, So let's get

0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 1>into that. So Matt continues, Right, this place is famous

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.840
<v Speaker 1>for it belly buster burger. The burgers were rumored to

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 1>be part venison and are actually quite delicious. I mean,

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:08.399
<v Speaker 1>where else can you go and get a lukewarm straw

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:13.360
<v Speaker 1>and pickled turkey gizzards. The restrooms were an adventure in themselves,

0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:16.279
<v Speaker 1>and at one point the men's room was just a

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:19.879
<v Speaker 1>hole in the floor. He says, the st poly girl

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 1>cardboard cut out, and the old school cigarette machine, and

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:25.319
<v Speaker 1>then parentheses says, you know the style that had the

0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:29.480
<v Speaker 1>knob you pulled and and the smokes came out, asked Joe,

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:32.239
<v Speaker 1>he has definitely bought SIGs from one of these. I'll

0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 1>comment on that in a minute. Gave this place its

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:38.120
<v Speaker 1>own kind of nostalgia. Then when you looked up, you

0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:40.239
<v Speaker 1>knew you were in an awesome place. Painted on the

0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:43.400
<v Speaker 1>ceiling is a giant black silhouette of a flying goose,

0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:48.680
<v Speaker 1>and velvet wall paper covered the walls. So, yes, I

0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:51.320
<v Speaker 1>do know those sig machines, and I think I bought

0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 1>a pack from one in college exactly once. Because I

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:57.759
<v Speaker 1>kid you not, I turned twenty one and within two

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:00.360
<v Speaker 1>months you couldn't smoke in bars anymore around here, and

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:05.920
<v Speaker 1>those cigarette machines just totally disappeared. Yeah. Well, and dear listener,

0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I have also bought SIGs from one of those machines. Really. Yeah.

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:12.879
<v Speaker 1>There used to be this spot in a man Junk

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:15.000
<v Speaker 1>that I played called the Grape Room. I used to

0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 1>like play music. They're a bunch and they had one

0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 1>of those old school sig machines, foodsball table man. Then

0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:26.360
<v Speaker 1>one day I was like, I need some SIGs. I

0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:28.520
<v Speaker 1>don't feel like walking into the convenience store. I'm here

0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:30.560
<v Speaker 1>right now. Let's see if it has anything in it.

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:33.480
<v Speaker 1>So I put my money in, pull the lever for

0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:38.160
<v Speaker 1>the parliaments and out came a nice little pack of parliaments,

0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:40.399
<v Speaker 1>went outside, smoked one. Dude, that thing must have been

0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 1>in there for twenty years. Do you know what to like?

0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:48.480
<v Speaker 1>I remember it was. I took it one drag and

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:50.480
<v Speaker 1>I think the whole cigarettes just went up in flame.

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:56.280
<v Speaker 1>As I recalled to they only really could could could

0:48:56.280 --> 0:49:00.959
<v Speaker 1>give you soft packs which like sucked, like off pack suck.

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:04.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, to break all your SIGs at once, man,

0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 1>put us off back in your pocket and go do

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:10.120
<v Speaker 1>anything anything, Right, kids, don't smoke. Stop listening to us.

0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:15.080
<v Speaker 1>If you're listening right now, I don't either. Anyway, regarding

0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:17.720
<v Speaker 1>the belly buster, I gotta say now that sounds epic

0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:20.359
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna prime the pump here for hate mail,

0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:23.280
<v Speaker 1>but I don't care because I've had this debate privately

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:25.400
<v Speaker 1>with with many YenS and buddies, and it's time to

0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:28.080
<v Speaker 1>take it public. So I'm a Philly guy, right, and

0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I will put my Tony Luke, Steve's Prince of Steaks,

0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:35.520
<v Speaker 1>and Geno's against that Permantis nonsense that you guys eat

0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:37.360
<v Speaker 1>out there. Okay, the first time I was in Pittsburgh,

0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't get to the famous Permanni brothers fast enough,

0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:42.920
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sorry, I didn't think it was that good. Right.

0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Their whole stick is loading the sandwich with French fries,

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:47.759
<v Speaker 1>so to me, I just tasted like white bread and

0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:51.279
<v Speaker 1>French fries. I didn't understand. So next time I'm out

0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:55.719
<v Speaker 1>that way, belly buster all day. That sounds amazing, now,

0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:58.359
<v Speaker 1>real quick. I did say trash, and I wasn't talking

0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 1>about Permantes, was talking about Geno's. And what do you say,

0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:06.120
<v Speaker 1>Tony Luke, Steve's Princess Dakes. I'm disappointed in you, bro.

0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:09.520
<v Speaker 1>What's your spot? No, you gotta go to Chubbies, man,

0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I think I've ever been a chubby, has never been

0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 1>heard of chubby Chubbies. That's in like East Falls, man,

0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:18.040
<v Speaker 1>That's like, that's where it's really at. You go go

0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:20.839
<v Speaker 1>to some catfish in this summer. Then go up by

0:50:21.000 --> 0:50:23.960
<v Speaker 1>the Philly you campus or I guess its Jefferson now,

0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:26.319
<v Speaker 1>and and go and go get one of those chubbies. Man,

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:28.880
<v Speaker 1>you'll be you'll be happy you did so. Anyway, on

0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:31.920
<v Speaker 1>for me ragging on you for your cheese steak choice.

0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:36.160
<v Speaker 1>So Matt moves into the history and the characters you

0:50:36.239 --> 0:50:40.640
<v Speaker 1>might find at the Halton Hilton Um. All great bars

0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:43.880
<v Speaker 1>have a character too, he says. John Hanley bought the

0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:46.400
<v Speaker 1>bar from his parents in nineteen sixty four and was

0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:50.760
<v Speaker 1>the proprietor there until his death in He was always

0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:53.520
<v Speaker 1>there to talk to people and provide some of his perspective,

0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:55.919
<v Speaker 1>at least when he wasn't in his pickup park. Next

0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.160
<v Speaker 1>to the building. I like this guy. John was a

0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:02.480
<v Speaker 1>local legend and folk in his own special dialect. He

0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:04.959
<v Speaker 1>held the history of the Halton close to his heart

0:51:05.200 --> 0:51:07.680
<v Speaker 1>and would willingly produce some of the old photos from

0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:10.759
<v Speaker 1>the area and had stories to tell about every one

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:13.600
<v Speaker 1>of them. Some of his most loyal customers, the folks

0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:16.560
<v Speaker 1>that he served for years, described him as quiet, honest

0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:20.440
<v Speaker 1>and honorable. Yeah, quiet, honest and honorable. I fit that

0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:24.439
<v Speaker 1>bill except for quiet um. So to bring it home

0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:27.239
<v Speaker 1>and to get to the best part, right, Matt says

0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that upon John's death, his niece took the place over

0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:33.000
<v Speaker 1>and updated it a bit um And as as he

0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:35.560
<v Speaker 1>put it, he'd actually bring his wife there now. And

0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 1>that's cool. But that's also like a slippery slope because

0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I know a few good bars that lost their magic

0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:43.800
<v Speaker 1>after renovation. You know what I'm saying. The hole in

0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:45.360
<v Speaker 1>the floor in the bat and the pissar kind of

0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 1>made it, you know what it was, um, And I

0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:50.960
<v Speaker 1>hope that's not the case at the Hilton. But here's

0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:53.760
<v Speaker 1>what really sealed the deal on including the Halton Hilton.

0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:57.799
<v Speaker 1>With this nomination, Matt sent along a link to the

0:51:57.880 --> 0:52:02.680
<v Speaker 1>official Halton Hilton saw Yes, the place has its own song.

0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:04.680
<v Speaker 1>And while I wish we had time to play the

0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:07.880
<v Speaker 1>whole thing, we don't. But really you'll get it with

0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:11.480
<v Speaker 1>just the first thirty seconds way up and oh they'll

0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:14.719
<v Speaker 1>carry either's a tome by the name of or the

0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Criptian Clear and the claring flows on bone. There's a

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:21.880
<v Speaker 1>place where to do their meeting, have a drink and

0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:25.359
<v Speaker 1>do some eating where the gossips saying, then you'll never here.

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Lie it was hotten. I was a Wilton, so I

0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:32.920
<v Speaker 1>hit it for the Hilton to have a beer and

0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll bared around some prize. They've been built in the

0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:39.960
<v Speaker 1>days of Custer, and it's a home of the belly buster,

0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:44.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'll visit it again before I die. You know,

0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I've never visited a bar that had its own either,

0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:52.640
<v Speaker 1>And man, I thought that was like reserved for cheers.

0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:55.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who's singing that, but I want to

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 1>hang out with that dude. I want to sell shiner

0:52:57.640 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 1>with him. Do you know who it might be? It

0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:01.840
<v Speaker 1>might be the Breeze, the guy that caught the p

0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:05.000
<v Speaker 1>a state record Walleye. Like, dude, how much you want

0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:07.319
<v Speaker 1>to bet the Breeze has like swigs some bourbon at

0:53:07.320 --> 0:53:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the Halt and Hilton. He's from those parts anyway, Matt,

0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:15.160
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for a great nomination. This was

0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 1>this was a lot of fun. The theme song was amazing.

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Um And if you've got a fishy bar with or

0:53:20.200 --> 0:53:22.360
<v Speaker 1>without a theme song that you'd like us to consider

0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:25.160
<v Speaker 1>for a shout out here, send the deeds to Bent

0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:30.359
<v Speaker 1>at the meat eater dot com. So, since we just

0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:34.280
<v Speaker 1>got done talking drinking, I gotta ask, right, you posted

0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:36.560
<v Speaker 1>some ice fishing videos on the ground from that little

0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:40.320
<v Speaker 1>sare and I couldn't help but notice that a sketchy

0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:46.160
<v Speaker 1>brown like like an old school bootlegger flip cap bottle

0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:50.160
<v Speaker 1>kept making an appearance. Was that homemade hooch? Because that's

0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:55.000
<v Speaker 1>what it looked like. In fact, some homemade hooch had

0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:58.439
<v Speaker 1>a boy, you know. That was That was my very

0:53:58.520 --> 0:54:02.400
<v Speaker 1>last bottle of a run of dandelion wine I made

0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:06.120
<v Speaker 1>right around when the pandemic first hit, so like April

0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:09.239
<v Speaker 1>or May, and you know I was I was out

0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:12.279
<v Speaker 1>with I was out with Miles. Actually he came with me.

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:20.560
<v Speaker 1>It was me, Miles, my girlfriend, Miles, Miles Um, Miles kid,

0:54:20.680 --> 0:54:25.840
<v Speaker 1>and Christine my buddy from the office here and we all,

0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:29.880
<v Speaker 1>uh caught a couple of perch and a nice buzz

0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:32.439
<v Speaker 1>because of it, except for Miles. Miles was he's doing

0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:34.440
<v Speaker 1>one of those dry January things, so I couldn't. I

0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:38.360
<v Speaker 1>couldn't get him to try it. Okay, well you know

0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:41.400
<v Speaker 1>what didn't? Did you write a story about that about

0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:44.359
<v Speaker 1>dandelion wine? Now I'm thinking about it. Wasn't there something

0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:46.040
<v Speaker 1>on the meat eat site that you put together about

0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:49.319
<v Speaker 1>how you made that? I did? Um, Yeah, I'll put

0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:52.880
<v Speaker 1>the link in my i G bio for anyone that's interested.

0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:55.080
<v Speaker 1>It's a fun little project I do like every year

0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:58.640
<v Speaker 1>or two. It's I will say it is a royal

0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 1>pain in the ass because in order to make it like,

0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:03.080
<v Speaker 1>the first thing you have to do is I'm gonna

0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:06.759
<v Speaker 1>go through like a real quick explanation of the tediousness

0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:09.920
<v Speaker 1>of this process is that you go to a field, right,

0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:11.960
<v Speaker 1>make sure like it's not a dog park because they

0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:14.279
<v Speaker 1>piss on the dandelions or like you don't get them

0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:17.920
<v Speaker 1>from a bank where they're like spraying with like you know,

0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:22.439
<v Speaker 1>round up. But you pick like buckets, like a ten

0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:25.520
<v Speaker 1>gallon bucket full of dandelions or like halfway full, and

0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:29.160
<v Speaker 1>then you take them home and you pull the pedals

0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:32.320
<v Speaker 1>off of the little green cup that holds them all together.

0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:35.240
<v Speaker 1>It's called the spel. So you pull all the pedals

0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:38.000
<v Speaker 1>and you put them in a pot until you have

0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:41.480
<v Speaker 1>like a full pot full of dandelion petals, because if

0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:43.279
<v Speaker 1>you put the green ship in, it's gonna make them

0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:47.120
<v Speaker 1>real bitter. That sounds excruciating. It's something you do when

0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:49.000
<v Speaker 1>you have some time, like in the middle of a

0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:53.600
<v Speaker 1>pandemic um. But you know, I love it when when

0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:56.680
<v Speaker 1>when you have that, when you get everything all said

0:55:56.680 --> 0:55:59.759
<v Speaker 1>and done and it's aged, and it's like if you

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:04.040
<v Speaker 1>like drinking like springtime or some ship. You know that's

0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:06.719
<v Speaker 1>that's like such an It's like an Andrew zimmer And

0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:08.840
<v Speaker 1>thing to say, like it tastes like grass coated and

0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:13.000
<v Speaker 1>rain water on it. It's more boordine esque. But you

0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:16.080
<v Speaker 1>know whatever, I'm not it's not. In fact, I tend

0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:18.960
<v Speaker 1>not to like wine. I just happened to like this. Yeah,

0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:22.120
<v Speaker 1>you would like bizarre foods anyhow, I don't know. It's

0:56:22.120 --> 0:56:23.520
<v Speaker 1>a dead of winner and you have this thing you

0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:25.840
<v Speaker 1>made a couple of springs ago. It's like, I don't know,

0:56:25.920 --> 0:56:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I like that. Yeah, well you can you can explain

0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:31.239
<v Speaker 1>it more. Later people can read the piece, but right now, um,

0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:34.520
<v Speaker 1>we we have some other more pressing things to explain.

0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Let's wrap things up with our news segment, the bent Helpline,

0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:41.520
<v Speaker 1>where we answer your questions, and this week we even

0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:46.200
<v Speaker 1>have a special guest. What do you laughing at, Martini?

0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:49.919
<v Speaker 1>You're not an idiot, you're not a gambloony hell boy,

0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:58.080
<v Speaker 1>You're a fisherman. So we've got a very special edition

0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:02.120
<v Speaker 1>of the bent Helpline today. You've actually called in reinforcements

0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:04.960
<v Speaker 1>to answer one of your question. We're joined today by

0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:07.160
<v Speaker 1>my good friend Jim Fieva on The Water magazine, who

0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:10.319
<v Speaker 1>was a co host here before before Hayden signed on

0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:14.040
<v Speaker 1>full time. Jim how Art thou good, good? Great? How's

0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:16.960
<v Speaker 1>it feel? How's it feel to be here as an

0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:20.240
<v Speaker 1>expert in a specific, specific faction of fishing. We don't

0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:22.040
<v Speaker 1>people don't even know what we're talking about. Yeah, but

0:57:22.040 --> 0:57:24.880
<v Speaker 1>you're the man, you're the guy. Oh yeah, I feel

0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:29.040
<v Speaker 1>like I've earned it. So okay, so you know now

0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:32.000
<v Speaker 1>that you mentioned it. Um So anyway, because here's what

0:57:32.040 --> 0:57:34.280
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. This this question comes to us from

0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:38.160
<v Speaker 1>listen to Ryan Foster and he says, I am curious

0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:41.840
<v Speaker 1>about float and fly technique. Have you guys used it

0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:44.920
<v Speaker 1>and how did it work out? What's the setup you used?

0:57:45.240 --> 0:57:48.240
<v Speaker 1>Is it a Bent approved technique? And he says, I

0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:51.880
<v Speaker 1>feel dirty watching these videos on it being a fly angler,

0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:55.040
<v Speaker 1>but I am not a complete fly guy, Okay, So

0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:59.000
<v Speaker 1>he dabbles in other arenas. Um, I like to fish

0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:02.560
<v Speaker 1>and catch fish. I think we all can agree on that. Ryan,

0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Thanks and keep up the good work guys. So this

0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:09.560
<v Speaker 1>is the thing. I know what flow and fly is.

0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:13.720
<v Speaker 1>I get the premise, but I don't do it yet.

0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Jim Jim here on a weekly basis in the winter

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:19.400
<v Speaker 1>months is just like you are the float and fly

0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:21.560
<v Speaker 1>guy on Instagram. You do this a lot. So I'm like,

0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:24.680
<v Speaker 1>we just gotta call Jim because he does this all

0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:27.640
<v Speaker 1>the time. So rather than me like make ship up

0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:30.920
<v Speaker 1>about what I think I know right, which might not

0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:34.440
<v Speaker 1>be anything, can you explain to us what float and

0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:37.200
<v Speaker 1>fly technique is. Yeah. So I first read about it

0:58:37.320 --> 0:58:40.120
<v Speaker 1>man probably in the late nineties and an in Fisherman

0:58:40.200 --> 0:58:44.680
<v Speaker 1>magazine article, and it was real big for smallmouth bass

0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:47.320
<v Speaker 1>in some in moving water. It was really big for

0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:51.320
<v Speaker 1>them in the springtime. Also, it's what I use it

0:58:51.360 --> 0:58:53.640
<v Speaker 1>for is in the cold water months. So that's one

0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:55.800
<v Speaker 1>of the things I think. I know it is a

0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:59.200
<v Speaker 1>cold like it shines in the off season in cold

0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:01.960
<v Speaker 1>cold water. So all you're doing is suspending a hair

0:59:02.120 --> 0:59:04.880
<v Speaker 1>jig under a float and it's they're usually tied with

0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:07.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of synthetic materials that are gonna have a lot

0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:09.760
<v Speaker 1>of kind of breathing and action as that jake just

0:59:09.800 --> 0:59:13.480
<v Speaker 1>suspends under the float, and it's it's kind of fallen

0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:15.600
<v Speaker 1>out of favor, Like I don't think it's a modern

0:59:15.680 --> 0:59:18.160
<v Speaker 1>technique that guys are really into. Maybe it's coming back

0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:20.280
<v Speaker 1>around again. Seems like all those things come back around,

0:59:20.800 --> 0:59:22.880
<v Speaker 1>but ned riggs now or like that's that's all I

0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:24.920
<v Speaker 1>hear about, is guys using in the winter in the

0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:28.400
<v Speaker 1>wintertime ned rigging in the wintertime. So yeah, so that's

0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:31.000
<v Speaker 1>again not the expert here, but that was the impression

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<v Speaker 1>I got, Like it's it's specifically for suspended fish in

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<v Speaker 1>cold water, and it's not super aggressive, right, Like you're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just like letting the fly breathe and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just hanging in their face or the jig. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>other misconception. It's called float and fly. You just said,

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<v Speaker 1>though it's a jig, you're not actually hanging a fly

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<v Speaker 1>under the bomber. Yeah, it's just it's a hair jig

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<v Speaker 1>on either a one eighth or one sixteenth pounce jake had.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the most popular sizes, so it's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>small presentation. But even though it's small, I mean people

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<v Speaker 1>have called seven eight pound large mouth bass on it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really good for you know, small mouth bass four

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<v Speaker 1>five pounds. I haven't caught a seven or eight pound

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<v Speaker 1>large mouth on it, but I've gotten the excess of

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<v Speaker 1>five pounds on it. Right. But it was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>developed from moving water, But yet you're using it in

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<v Speaker 1>still water right up in Massachusetts. Yeah, I'm using it

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<v Speaker 1>in the ponds here. Um. You know, I live on

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<v Speaker 1>the coast on Cape con so we don't get ice

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<v Speaker 1>every year, but those ponds are still full of fish

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<v Speaker 1>and there's great large mouth bass fishing there. You can

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<v Speaker 1>fish to spending jerk baits or I like this technique

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<v Speaker 1>because one, it works really well in cold water. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm using a real long like ultra light noodle rod

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<v Speaker 1>to throw it because you need a little extra length

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<v Speaker 1>to one not only cast like the you know long leader,

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<v Speaker 1>but Also you're fishing it still, so you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of slack on the water, so you want

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to have a lot of room to

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<v Speaker 1>lift to set the when that goes down at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of your cast. So is there like a specialized

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<v Speaker 1>float or something, or it's just like your running the

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<v Speaker 1>mill slip bobber. So serious bass guys that are on

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<v Speaker 1>bass boats and have a lot of back cast room

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<v Speaker 1>are using fixed loats so they know they're sending it

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<v Speaker 1>to the same depth, you know, nine ft rods. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing it from shore for my kayak mostly, so I

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<v Speaker 1>use a little slip float and that one's called the

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<v Speaker 1>phil wobble bobber. The whole the whole idea is it's

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<v Speaker 1>a tear drop shaped float and it has written on

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<v Speaker 1>it you know this one will this one will work

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<v Speaker 1>best with a one eighthounds jake. So it's like you're

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<v Speaker 1>setting up for center pit fishing where the floats to

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<v Speaker 1>spend a certain amount of weight and the wobble bobber

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<v Speaker 1>the idea behind it. No, it's not just fun to say,

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<v Speaker 1>but it uh when you have wind or waves, it

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<v Speaker 1>throws some action. It really does wobble all over the

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<v Speaker 1>surface gives a little bit more very subtle action to

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<v Speaker 1>the jig. That's what I's gonna ask. Like, I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>at some point you have to work it, and at

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<v Speaker 1>some point if you have a chop, like especially when

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<v Speaker 1>it's cold, you probably get smashed just letting that thing

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<v Speaker 1>bob around out there. Right if you cast it near fish,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't pause it for long enough. The problem is

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<v Speaker 1>it's you. It's long pausitive. You have to know where

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<v Speaker 1>the fish are, and it's not a search presentation, right,

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<v Speaker 1>got you. Well, I mean, without even knowing all that,

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<v Speaker 1>I already knew it was a ben approved technique because

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<v Speaker 1>to me, there's no unapproved technique here barring I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>throwing a spear at him or something. Hey hey, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no, no no, no. We have we have listeners who are

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<v Speaker 1>spear fishing. In fact, if you look, I'm wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>spear fishing hoodie right now from my buddy Ryan Ebert.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, that's a specialized thing to the guys. That's

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<v Speaker 1>cool and if I can, okay, fine, whatever whatever. So

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that answers Ryan's questions. I assume that that

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<v Speaker 1>is the that's the floating fly he's talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>only other thing that comes to mind, or like those

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<v Speaker 1>casting bubbles you can put on your spinning rod to

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<v Speaker 1>dry fly. Jim's like, I am about that too. I

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<v Speaker 1>never pick up a fly rod. I want to get

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<v Speaker 1>into that. That is another that's also big up here,

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<v Speaker 1>where it's the clear casting bubbles and you filled them

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<v Speaker 1>up with a little bit of water and then the

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<v Speaker 1>guy's up here all fish like wooly buggers. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>guys used the floating up Berkeley power worms behind them,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is really good for trout. But I I

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't dabbled in that yet, But that's like a

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<v Speaker 1>trout technique. That's that kind of casting bubble and fly,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, if you're just determined not to use

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<v Speaker 1>a fly rod, and then that's also like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>similar to like Joe, you and I talked a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about, like you know, people fishing with flies using

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<v Speaker 1>noodle rods on like the Great Lakes steelhead scene. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I've thrown a lot of flies for steelhead

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<v Speaker 1>on on long conventional noodle spinning rods with and without floats.

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<v Speaker 1>Um for steelhead, I don't know, I don't find any

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<v Speaker 1>of that dirty. It's all just it just works. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just a different kind of prison. And then the and

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<v Speaker 1>the other good thing is like your guides don't ice

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<v Speaker 1>up is bad and like the in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>winter because you're not like sending that big thick fly

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<v Speaker 1>line through them and get them all way right, just

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<v Speaker 1>come up to the Pulaski. Man, everybody's just got motto

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<v Speaker 1>on their fly reels. Do you tell me about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about it. Yeah, it's not there's not even

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<v Speaker 1>fly line. Well, I am so glad that I had

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<v Speaker 1>a float and Fly expert to call for this. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a floating fly enthusiast editor in chief of Float

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<v Speaker 1>and Fly Monthly. Um. But I mean I can, I can.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you Ryan that even though I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>done it, I'd like to. But it absolutely does work because,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, I'm I'm sitting here staring at the

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<v Speaker 1>computer and Jim's posting his morning floating fly session photos

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<v Speaker 1>and catching a lot of fish. So Jim, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for that. Um, Ryan, thank you for the question. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a question you'd like us to maybe answer

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<v Speaker 1>here on the show, you can d m them to

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<v Speaker 1>me on the Instagram. Or Hayden, or just go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and fire those off too. Bent at the meat eater

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. All right, well that's it for this week, degenerates.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're presently tying up f G nots for your

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<v Speaker 1>floating fly session tomorrow, I say a little drip of

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<v Speaker 1>superglue on the finishing raps never hurt anyone. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I would say. I would also say, please keep sending

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<v Speaker 1>in your questions, bar nominations, awkward photos, sale but items

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<v Speaker 1>and what every else um you think up to Bent

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<v Speaker 1>at the meat eater dot com um, and don't forget

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<v Speaker 1>use those degenerate angler hashtags. Uh you know we see

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<v Speaker 1>all those posts them, you know, I don't know. We

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<v Speaker 1>like checking up on what you're into. So you know

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<v Speaker 1>it's good when I'm at the office and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to slack a little bit. There you go, Yeah, seeing that.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, hey, keep in mind that not tying tools

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<v Speaker 1>are for the week, and God gave you teeth so

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't have to buy two tungsten carbide now clippers.

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<v Speaker 1>M