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Speaker 1: and welcome to Bent, the fishing podcast that prefers to

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Speaker 1: I'm Joe Surmelli. That's how you get the COVID and

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Speaker 1: I'm hating salmac. Yes you are? You are still hating?

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Speaker 1: Excited about that, And we're gonna talk about knots and

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Speaker 1: for tackle hacks. Carl Jocobson is here, uh bass Master

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Speaker 1: g Allen did what iggy pop meant to do with

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Speaker 1: He hasn't picked up the pay phone number he gave me.

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Speaker 1: That's between you and Bob in the Better Business Bureau,

425
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: my friend, I'm trying to get burner number. Um. But yeah,

426
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: so it just goes to kind of show you the

427
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: range of questions we've been getting. They're all super fun,

428
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 1: but um, I don't think we could do a full

429
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 1: segment on G. G Allen. I actually think we already

430
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: kind of did too much. You know what I'm saying? Uh,

431
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: the point is where really haven't fine with this. Also,

432
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: I just want to say sorry to all the people

433
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: that wrote in and said I didn't notice the best

434
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: pro trucker hat thing and now I noticed them everywhere.

435
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Speaker 1: Thanks for officially ruining those. Yeah, well it wasn't us,

436
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: it was it wasn't us. Man. What we can officially ruin, however,

437
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 1: is Phil's day by making him listen to our ship

438
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: and judge our news stories. Remember, uh, this is fish news.

439
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: It's a competition. Joe and I do not know which

440
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: news story the other guy has grabbed, and our beloved,

441
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: loved audio engineer Phil Taylor will declare a winner at

442
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Speaker 1: the end. And Joe, I believe it's your lead this week.

443
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 1: I believe it is too. So I'm gonna open with

444
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Speaker 1: a question before I get into this news story. What

445
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: was your very first job as a kid, like you know,

446
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 1: like like kid kid like paperboy era that type of thing.

447
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 1: What was your first game? I was. I was a

448
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 1: paper boy in a slightly different bent. My dad had

449
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: a printing business. It's since like change into something else,

450
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: But I used to work in the bindery department of

451
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: that business, meaning I would like shrink wrap in spiral

452
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: bind things, and I still have nightmares about it to

453
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: this day. I remember one time, one time I did this,

454
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: I shrink grabbed this huge stack of hospital like forms, right,

455
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: and after doing that all day, Uh, this dude Ryan

456
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: came in with a stack of yellow papers and he said,

457
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,719
Speaker 1: I forgot to put these on top of each one

458
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: of these things that you just did. You need to

459
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: unwrap all of them, put this paper on top and

460
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: then rewrap all of them again. So that punched him

461
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Speaker 1: in the face and got fired. No, no, I I

462
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: kind of just did as I was told, uh, like

463
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: a good little drawer. And yeah, so that was my

464
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: first step. Okay, all right, there you go. So I

465
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Speaker 1: walked dogs. That was my first job. There was a

466
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Speaker 1: lady across the street that would pay me twenty bucks

467
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Speaker 1: a week to walk her dogs when I got home

468
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Speaker 1: from school. Uh, and it took me about a week

469
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Speaker 1: of doing it to not feel like doing it anymore. Like,

470
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: in hindsight, how lazy, Like it's a walk around the block,

471
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: but I didn't feel like it anyway. You could have

472
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Speaker 1: gone a little bit more than twenty bucks. But this

473
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: was in like the forties, so that was actually yeah, right,

474
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: exactly it was. I was like a millionaire kid. So anyway, look,

475
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: so now that everyone listening is reminiscing about their first

476
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Speaker 1: kiddie job, um, I bet that none of them can

477
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Speaker 1: top tongue cutter. Okay. So Smithsnyan recently published a terrific

478
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Speaker 1: piece about child tongue cutters in Norway, and the tongues

479
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Speaker 1: they are cutting are cod tongues. But as I explained this,

480
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Speaker 1: I want all of you that have children and like

481
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: the six to thirteen year old range to decide, yes,

482
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: my kid could hack it or hell no. Okay. So

483
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: you recently covered, um, the reassessment of the cod stocks

484
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: in the US, right, but over in Norway there seems

485
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 1: to be a lot more of them. Those are some

486
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Speaker 1: of the breeding grounds for the stocks of there, and

487
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: the commercial cod fishing is still major business. So this

488
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: story is setting. It's either Ryan or Rhiny, probably Rhyney,

489
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Speaker 1: which is a town in Norway's uh Lafoten Islands, Lofton Islands.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing the thing that you do where I can't

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Speaker 1: say stuff. Um. And this is this is of course

492
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: well north of the Arctic circle, right, So there's several

493
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Speaker 1: cod processing plants there and at the processors, the cod

494
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: bodies are dried, frozen, or salted, and then exported for food. Now,

495
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: according to this story, a cod tongue is squishy, gelatinous

496
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: and buttery smooth and likened to the filet mignon of

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Speaker 1: the cod, which I've never heard before. If that's the

498
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: thing that we do here, I've never heard of it.

499
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: It's like when somebody tells me about, like I don't know, cooking,

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Speaker 1: like perch cheeks or something ship and I'm like, how

501
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: how much of meat is there? How big is a

502
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: cod tongue? I think cod tongues are pretty large. But

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00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: all I can think of is those stories that are

504
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: floating around down that nobody grabbed for news about those

505
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: parasites that just replace the fish's tongue. That's all I

506
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: could think about, Like we should I know, the idea

507
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: of of of eating a fish tongue not super appealing.

508
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: Um anyway, So the thing about this is removing them

509
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: is tedious, and the processing plants just can't make quite

510
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: enough money off of them to to make the tongue

511
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: removal worth their time, So instead they set aside all

512
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: the cod heads for the local kids, many of which

513
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: show up after school routinely to remove tongues and sell

514
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: them on their own. Now, the processors know that they

515
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: are leaving some money on the table, But um these

516
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Speaker 1: kids known as I'm gonna try really hard here, and

517
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm only gonna do it once. Tongueus yarn, in tongues

518
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: yarning tong tonguas yarn and that's fine, which translates to

519
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: tongue cutters. And that's what we're gonna say for the

520
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: rest of the time. This is not something new. The

521
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: people growing up in this region, kids have been doing

522
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: this for generations. Um. And the processors gladly donate the

523
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 1: heads because it quote introduces young people to the fishing

524
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: industry and teaches them the value of entrepreneurship and hard work.

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00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: And hard work it is per the story, right. I

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00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: love this quote. H This job makes selling girl Scout

527
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: cookies or running a lemonade stand look like child's play.

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00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: Right now, goes on. I want to I want to

529
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Speaker 1: read from the story. It's very well written. Um Uh

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Speaker 1: that children as young as six goes straight from school

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Speaker 1: to the docks, where they spend hours in the numbing cold,

532
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: coated in fish guts, sharp knives in hand may seem

533
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: bizarre when viewed from the perspective of today's developed economies

534
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: and increasingly virtual workplaces, but the rarefied nature of this work,

535
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: proudly undertaken by kids who feel a connection to the tradition,

536
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: is part of what makes the practice so fascinating. So

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00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: it says the task itself involves spearing the head onto

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Speaker 1: a giant metal spike and then slicing out the tongue.

539
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: UH and the tongues pile up on the spike until

540
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: they reached the top, where they're then tossed into a bucket. Right,

541
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: and the author says the kid's handywork was so quick

542
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: it was difficult to make out the distinct steps heads

543
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: where grab spikes, slice tossed, grab spike, slice tossed until

544
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: the large bin was empty and a new batch of

545
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: codheads arrived. Despite harsh winds and below freezing temperatures. A

546
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: few of the older tongue cutters who worked fast, we're

547
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: sweating piles of snow were pink with blood, but they

548
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: didn't seem to mind. Right, So there's more to it

549
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: than that, though. So they interviewed Um, a local fish

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00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: exporter UH and he was like, yeah, like back in

551
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: the day, I let my six year old stay out

552
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: there till midnight sometimes cutting these tongues. But then after

553
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: these kids are done, then they have to go home,

554
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 1: wash their own tongues, weigh them out right, separate them,

555
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: package them, and freeze them. Um. And and these don't

556
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: get exported. These are mostly sold locally. So they interviewed

557
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: several generations of cutters. Is now a mother of kids

558
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: who cut. She says when she was young, when she

559
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: was a young girl, she made thirty two thousand dollars

560
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: over the course of six seasons and and used that

561
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: to buy her first car. Now, yeah, nowadays, some of

562
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: these kids are earning more than ten thousand in a

563
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: single season. Right, good, yeah, right, And they talked to

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Speaker 1: a fourteen year old girl who basically said, I don't

565
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: want to talk about how much I make because it's

566
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: a lot. I just don't want gangster four year old

567
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: girl old business. Yeah, exactly right. So it says, you know,

568
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: she used her earnings most recently to buy a new

569
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: iPhone and Apple AirPod so she could listen to music

570
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: while she cut. And apparently these kids all use a

571
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: mobile app called Marine traffic to see when the boats

572
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: are headed back to the dock. And then they sell

573
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: their tongues now on like Facebook, marketplace and stuff, which

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00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: some of the older people kind of said, you know,

575
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: they say, like that sort of takes away the charm

576
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: of what it used to be, like, you know, the

577
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: little kids selling tongues now it's like it's a business now. Look,

578
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of crafty, hard working kids out

579
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: there in all countries, no doubt. It's not the racket

580
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: and the hustle that that I find so special interesting,

581
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: but it's the conditions. Like some of these kids will

582
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: stay out there until two o'clock in the morning cutting

583
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: tongues in just brutal, brutal conditions. And I fully understand

584
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 1: that these kids are used to those conditions, right that's

585
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: where they grew up. But still, like we had, you know,

586
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: three inches of snow here the other day, and my

587
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: little guy, who's like the hardcore fisherman, he's outside for

588
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: ten minutes, was like, yeah, I'm cold, and then declined

589
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: participation in all outdoor activities for the remainder of the day.

590
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: So good on these kids. That is impressive, And like

591
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: for the kid that's like I don't feel like walking

592
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: the dogs today. It's like, yeah, let me see you

593
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: stand outside until two o'clock in the morning and subarctic

594
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: conditions cutting out cod tongues. You know, such a punk. Yeah, well,

595
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, man, it's a different breed up there. Man,

596
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: those fishing cultures. Um. I mean you see this in

597
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: a lot of like, uh, cultures that rely on like

598
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: fishing or like a grarian or just what have you.

599
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: It kind of like just breeds this certain type of

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00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: person that is just impervious to a lot of the

601
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: stuff that like us soft Yeah, sure, no, and and

602
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. And I mean that's what I mean.

603
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it sound like, you know,

604
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: kids in the US don't know how to work hard.

605
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: You have kids who whose parents own ranches and grow

606
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: up in you know, working farms and everything. I'm saying that,

607
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: like the impression I get is that none of these

608
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: kids need to do this to survive. It's not like

609
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: they're like they're feeding their families. This is basically for

610
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: walking around money and rather than do what normal six

611
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: to thirteen or fourteen year olds would do after school,

612
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: like they're opting into this and that is badass, Like

613
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: those are some tough ass kids, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Please enter your password. You have one unheard message, Mr Smack,

615
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: I have the mean calling getting ship like you really

616
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: do you need to like do some basic research when

617
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Speaker 1: you're doing a news story on I don't know Turkish names,

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Speaker 1: maybe on pronunciation and bridget time air dewan. Dude, it's

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Speaker 1: that is the president of Turkey. It's not like an

620
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: obscure name. That is actually the current president Turkey. You

621
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 1: should have got that own, buddy. Anyhow, we'll gets up.

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Speaker 1: Will end of message Delete Priss seven save deleted Phil.

623
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Speaker 1: If I were you, I would pick Joe as the

624
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: winner here. That's never good when you when you when

625
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: you cross over like that. Yeah, well, anyway, I do

626
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,719
Speaker 1: think that I have a at least a contender here. Um,

627
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you, Joe about a Joe,

628
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: we need to talk about it. I wanted to I

629
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: wanted to uh talk about a poaching incident that's getting

630
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: a lot of coverage and in fact, this comes from

631
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Speaker 1: USA Today, which is an interesting stories to like cover

632
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: like an outdoor story, right, Um, well, they only tend

633
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: to do it when it's pretty big and powerful to

634
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: get to get there. They also they also have that

635
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: that's a side site called for the wind and um,

636
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: I mean I've had a lot of good things off

637
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: there anyway, God, anyway, good for you USA today. Uh.

638
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: This December, Corporal Brian Talent of Mississippi Department of Wildlife

639
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: Fishing Parks busted two folks who were caught with a

640
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two croppy over their legal limit while

641
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: fishing in Mississippi's Eden Reservoir or the Spillway I guess

642
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: to Mississippi's Eden Reservoir. The limit would have been thirty

643
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: between the two of them. So for those of you

644
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: who can't do math, that's one hundred and eighty two croppy,

645
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: which is a crap ton of cross. You like that?

646
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: I did like that? Oh man. I mean, you know,

647
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: these things pop up every once in a while. It's

648
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: it's not the first time, and I'm never less uh

649
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: flabbergasted over just how how far you know, some people

650
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: are willing to go over the limit. This is. That's

651
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: a big one though. That's a big one for for

652
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: a couple of guys. Yeah, Yeah, that's basically a truck

653
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: bed full of full of croppy. Now the story is

654
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: pretty like lacking in details. I tried doing more research

655
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: online and I was just like looking and looking. It's

656
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: basically the same story, copied and pasteed, just over and

657
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 1: over again. And that's really all the information that was there.

658
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: This person busted these people, and these people had this

659
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: many fish, and now these people are in trouble. Um

660
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: doesn't name the anglers, doesn't talk about the method to take,

661
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: doesn't talk about penalties, nothing that's interesting. Okay, that's that's

662
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: fairly rare. They don't get in a little bit with

663
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: detail there for sure. So I put on my investigative

664
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: journalist hat and got on the horn with M D.

665
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: F W p oh phoning it in. All right, I'm impressed. Yeah, well,

666
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I like to do that every

667
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: now and again. Keep the people in form, should factor

668
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff in, By the way, I hope

669
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: he does, Phil, No matter what you're about to say

670
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: or where this goes like extra more more effort tonight,

671
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: and everybody hung up on me the end. Uh. Anyway,

672
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: it turned out there was um a lot I didn't

673
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: know about the fishery itself, and I think that information

674
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: really clears up a lot of the questions surrounding the story.

675
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: So first, let's talk a little bit about crappy fishing

676
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: in Mississippi. Uh, Joe, we both know that when you

677
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: get into croppy, uh, you like really get into him. Yeah.

678
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean it's fair it's fairly rare to

679
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: catch one croppy. If you catch one, you've typically found

680
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: them all, or at least a handful more So yeah, yeah,

681
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: and that's just up north. Uh, Southern croppy is a

682
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: whole different ball game. It's also big business. I think

683
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: it's worth pointing out that, Like, yeah, Mississippi, Alabama, Northern

684
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: Alabama in particular. Um, I fished in in Center Alabama,

685
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: which claims to be the croppy capital of the US. Um. Yeah,

686
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: I feel like, by and large, in especially in the northeast,

687
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: it's something that's there that you get into on occasion,

688
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: but there's not the same kind of culture around it

689
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: that there is in this area. Yeah. So again, it's

690
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: a whole different ball game. Um. And it's a whole

691
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: different ball game in like more ways than one. For instance, Joe,

692
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: did you know that you could snag croppy in Mississippi legally. No, no,

693
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: I did not. So there are there are spill ways

694
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: across the state where the croppy congregate is like temperatures

695
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: drop in the winter, and it is perfectly legal to

696
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: snag those fish. In fact, one person I talked to

697
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: UH mentioned that there are even like plaques and these

698
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: spill ways detailing exactly how one can legally go about it.

699
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: It's one pulper angler, a maximum of two hooks, no

700
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: bigger than a number two and no less than an

701
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: inch apart, and no trouble hooks at all. Wow, man,

702
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's that's totally news to me. I

703
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: had I had no idea. Um usually with any kind

704
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: of game fish, I thought there was there was, there

705
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: was no snagging of it, right right, Yeah? So, I mean,

706
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: you know, we know when you get onto them, it's

707
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: easy fishing. But like, even then, a hundred and fifty

708
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: two over the limit, UH seems like gill net numbers.

709
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: And the first thing I thought of was, how the

710
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: hell did they do that? Well, there's your answer. They

711
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: were snagging, which is legal. Although I wouldn't be surprised

712
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: if they weren't, you know, abiding by that rule. Why

713
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: they were completely ignoring you know, ignoring their limit. I

714
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they were like, oh, is are

715
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: these hooks more than an inch? You know what I mean? Like, well, yeah,

716
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: I mean I also wouldn't be surprised if they overlook

717
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: the two hook um limit you know on the lines there.

718
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: But what's what's interesting to me, I don't know. It

719
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: seems like if if there's a rule in place like

720
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: this right where this is legal at a certain time

721
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: a year when the croppy you're doing this typically, I

722
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: feel like states would put those rules into play because

723
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: a fair amount of people, um actually want to take

724
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: them that way, you know what I'm saying. So without

725
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know all the details, but it

726
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: would seem to me like if that's a thing that

727
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: people do so much so that there's rules in play.

728
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: Nobody else was down at this particular spot seeing this happen.

729
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they couldn't have called. They couldn't have snagged

730
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: that many fish in ten minutes, or maybe they could.

731
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: Maybe there's so many in there and they put nine

732
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: hooks on their line. Who knows, But I just I

733
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: wonder about that. Yeah, well, you know that is part

734
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: of the story that I couldn't find out is exactly

735
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: how this got reported, but it did get reported by

736
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: by the public, like somebody said, suspicious activities going on here,

737
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: got it, you might want check it out. So I

738
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what that entailed, but that's what happened.

739
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: So Yeah, the guys got busted, which begs the question, um,

740
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: what does the fine for being a hundred and fifty

741
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: two fish over your legal limit look like? According to

742
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: the MWFPS Law Enforcement Office, the fine for the infraction

743
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: is five hundred to a thousand dollars, Like that's your

744
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: base fine, with an additional fine of twenty to a

745
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: hundred dollars per fish over the limit. That means, as

746
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: I understand that the poachers are facing like the potential

747
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: for a combined sixteen thousand, two hundred dollars approximately half

748
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: of the fourteen year old girls tongue cutter money in

749
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: fines for being like that, for being croppy hogging dumbasses. Yeah, well,

750
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 1: you know, and I applaud the state for for thes

751
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: per fish over I mean, they're not going to get that.

752
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing, man, Like you see a lot

753
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: of states really go for the throat and try and

754
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: set an example here, um that might do something to

755
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: scare off the next group of guys. We we've discussed

756
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: that here before. Where just because that's the penalty, it

757
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're going to pay it. And you know,

758
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: in my opinion, if you're that much of a of

759
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: a jerkass to do something like this in the first place,

760
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: somebody could take your license away or whatever. You're you're

761
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: gonna do it if this is what you do, if

762
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: you if you have it and you once, chances are

763
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it again no matter what gets imposed

764
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: on you. Just my my opinion. Yeah, yeah, well, you know,

765
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: I hope they throw the book at him. Anyway. The

766
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: next thing I wanted to know is what the hell

767
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: happens to all of these fish? So uh an employee

768
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: for mdf WPS Northern Regional Office. And you'll notice that,

769
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: like I've left this particular person's name out of this

770
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: new story. Yeah, I was wondering if you're gonna name drop.

771
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Well, I'm honestly pretty sure I was annoying

772
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: that guy. So I didn't like ask for a lot

773
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: of follow up, and in fact, I didn't even like

774
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: get I didn't even want to ask him for his

775
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: name again, because I was getting pretty curt answers at

776
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: this point. You're just saying, yeah, man a lot, is

777
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: that what the so that guy? Uh, he intimated to

778
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: me that it was up to the officer's discretion, like

779
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: what happened to these fish, meaning that the officer could

780
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: basically transfer the fish wherever he wanted to. Um. I

781
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: used the example of a food bank, which he said

782
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: would have been possible if the officer had deemed it appropriate.

783
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: So he saw, like these fish were all good, they

784
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: were in good condition. Sure, let's get him to the

785
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: food bank, right, Um, so you know, let's hope that

786
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: that's where they ended up and not in like the landfill.

787
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: I would also accept that officer hosting a badass fish,

788
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: right though. Yeah, if it's at his discretion, man party

789
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: at his joint, you know what I mean. That's not

790
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: a terrible idea. That's not a terrible idea. No. So finally, um,

791
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, I was interested in like the frequency of

792
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: which things like this happened. The aforementioned guy, I'm pretty

793
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: sure I was annoying, said that it happens all the time.

794
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: But he he didn't in a shocking turn events. He

795
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: didn't voluntarily like start listing off some specifics, so I

796
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: followed up with with Major Chris reid Uh in the

797
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: MDFWPS Central Region Office. Um, while snagging over their limit

798
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: does happen occasionally, he said. Um. He also noted that

799
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: this event was particularly egregious. He said that in sixteen years,

800
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: I haven't checked anyone that's been that brazenly over the limit.

801
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but that's why we're

802
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: out here checking to make sure the resources don't get

803
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: depleted in this way. I've never seen a hundred and

804
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: fifty is fish over the limit. Yeah, and some of

805
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: that stuff is going to sneak by. I think, Um,

806
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's not easy being a being a conservation

807
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: officer in any sting, you know what I mean, there's

808
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: only so many of you. You you you can't be anywhere.

809
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, even this bust, I think, you know,

810
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: it should at least help to alleviate some of this

811
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: and at least, you know, scare some people. I would

812
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: hope that's kind of what all you can hope for

813
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: with a lot of these outcomes. Yeah, yeah, is to

814
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, be taking a portion of these incidents, making

815
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: them an example and trying to dissuade others from participating

816
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: and just bullshit like this themselves. So anyhow, guys, don't

817
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: be a croppy catching ship head. I'd also like to

818
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: thank Corporal Brian Talent for protecting the resource, and everybody

819
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: at m d w FP who took the time to

820
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: talk to me, even the guy who was very obviously

821
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: annoyed with my line of questioning. Well, I still applaud

822
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: you for calling UM. And let's see who feels going

823
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: to applaud is it croppy catching ship heads or UM?

824
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: The lovely, the lovely, you know, beautiful children of Norway

825
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: who are up there cutting cod tongues while we um,

826
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, live live the lavish life down here. We're

827
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: gonna find out who wins. We're gonna hear from Phil

828
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna go have a drink in a

829
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: Yanzer establishment, if you know what that means. I don't

830
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: really open up about my process very often on this podcast,

831
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm kind of

832
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: tired of poaching stories and unless it involves someone named

833
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: the Breeze, I'm also getting a little sick of record stories,

834
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: So Hayden, I commend you hitting the pavement for this story,

835
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: but I gotta give it to Joe this week. I

836
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: wonder if G. G Allen knew about these Norwegian kids,

837
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: he could have invited them up to cut cod tongues

838
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: out on stage as as opener. That would have been

839
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: punk as hell best God damn bar tender from tim

840
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: Buck to to Portland, Maine the Portland argument for that matter.

841
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: So where are we going for some SuDS this week?

842
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: Yinser country? How about that Western p a You ever

843
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: spend any time out there? I went to visit Carnegie

844
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: Mellon one time, and that is the extent of my

845
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: travels to Pittsburgh. My my wife actually applied there and

846
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: when UH check that out too, ended up not going

847
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: passed on that I'm not getting. I wasn't even gonna

848
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: do it. You did it to yourself. Uh So anyway,

849
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: So I've done some catfishing in the Burg, literally right

850
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: in front of the stadium, and that was cool, and

851
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: that was with my old buddy Joe Gordon of the

852
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: Three Rivers Catfish Club. I've also done some muskie fishing

853
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: on the Allegheny, but I've never been out there for trout,

854
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: and there is some damn fine trout water out that way.

855
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: In fact, some of it runs directly behind this week's

856
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: drinking establishment, which was submitted by listener Matt Wagner. Right. So,

857
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: the the official name of this place is the Halton

858
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: Sportsman's Lodge, but according to Matt, everybody knows it as

859
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: the Halton Hilton. Here's how Matt opens up this fantastic nomination.

860
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: As a young man, I dreamed of having a beer

861
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: in the famed Halton Hilton. This bar has a storied

862
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: past and is really a cultural staple in the Allegheny

863
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: National Forest. My family has had a camp in Halton

864
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: since the mid nineteen fifties, and the Halton Hilton was

865
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: established in the late fifties. It's located in Elk County, Pennsylvania,

866
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: south of Ridgeway on the banks of the Clarion River.

867
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: My father and I caught some beautiful trout from the

868
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: hole directly across the bar, and at the end of

869
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: the day enjoyed plenty of straw beers before heading back

870
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: to camp. According to relatives, people just started calling it

871
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: the Halton Hilton and the names stuck. People come from

872
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: miles around to check this place out, and it has

873
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: almost become a right of passage to have a straw

874
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: and a quote belly buster bellybuster. Right, So let's get

875
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: into that. So Matt continues, Right, this place is famous

876
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: for it belly buster burger. The burgers were rumored to

877
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: be part venison and are actually quite delicious. I mean,

878
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: where else can you go and get a lukewarm straw

879
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: and pickled turkey gizzards. The restrooms were an adventure in themselves,

880
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: and at one point the men's room was just a

881
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: hole in the floor. He says, the st poly girl

882
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: cardboard cut out, and the old school cigarette machine, and

883
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: then parentheses says, you know the style that had the

884
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: knob you pulled and and the smokes came out, asked Joe,

885
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: he has definitely bought SIGs from one of these. I'll

886
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: comment on that in a minute. Gave this place its

887
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: own kind of nostalgia. Then when you looked up, you

888
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: knew you were in an awesome place. Painted on the

889
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: ceiling is a giant black silhouette of a flying goose,

890
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: and velvet wall paper covered the walls. So, yes, I

891
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: do know those sig machines, and I think I bought

892
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: a pack from one in college exactly once. Because I

893
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: kid you not, I turned twenty one and within two

894
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: months you couldn't smoke in bars anymore around here, and

895
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: those cigarette machines just totally disappeared. Yeah. Well, and dear listener,

896
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: I have also bought SIGs from one of those machines. Really. Yeah.

897
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: There used to be this spot in a man Junk

898
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: that I played called the Grape Room. I used to

899
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: like play music. They're a bunch and they had one

900
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: of those old school sig machines, foodsball table man. Then

901
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: one day I was like, I need some SIGs. I

902
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: don't feel like walking into the convenience store. I'm here

903
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: right now. Let's see if it has anything in it.

904
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: So I put my money in, pull the lever for

905
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: the parliaments and out came a nice little pack of parliaments,

906
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: went outside, smoked one. Dude, that thing must have been

907
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: in there for twenty years. Do you know what to like?

908
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: I remember it was. I took it one drag and

909
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: I think the whole cigarettes just went up in flame.

910
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: As I recalled to they only really could could could

911
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,959
Speaker 1: give you soft packs which like sucked, like off pack suck.

912
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: You know, to break all your SIGs at once, man,

913
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: put us off back in your pocket and go do

914
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: anything anything, Right, kids, don't smoke. Stop listening to us.

915
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: If you're listening right now, I don't either. Anyway, regarding

916
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 1: the belly buster, I gotta say now that sounds epic

917
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna prime the pump here for hate mail,

918
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: but I don't care because I've had this debate privately

919
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: with with many YenS and buddies, and it's time to

920
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: take it public. So I'm a Philly guy, right, and

921
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: I will put my Tony Luke, Steve's Prince of Steaks,

922
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: and Geno's against that Permantis nonsense that you guys eat

923
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: out there. Okay, the first time I was in Pittsburgh,

924
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: I couldn't get to the famous Permanni brothers fast enough,

925
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, I didn't think it was that good. Right.

926
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: Their whole stick is loading the sandwich with French fries,

927
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: so to me, I just tasted like white bread and

928
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: French fries. I didn't understand. So next time I'm out

929
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: that way, belly buster all day. That sounds amazing, now,

930
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: real quick. I did say trash, and I wasn't talking

931
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: about Permantes, was talking about Geno's. And what do you say,

932
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: Tony Luke, Steve's Princess Dakes. I'm disappointed in you, bro.

933
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: What's your spot? No, you gotta go to Chubbies, man,

934
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: I think I've ever been a chubby, has never been

935
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: heard of chubby Chubbies. That's in like East Falls, man,

936
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: That's like, that's where it's really at. You go go

937
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: to some catfish in this summer. Then go up by

938
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: the Philly you campus or I guess its Jefferson now,

939
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: and and go and go get one of those chubbies. Man,

940
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: you'll be you'll be happy you did so. Anyway, on

941
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: for me ragging on you for your cheese steak choice.

942
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: So Matt moves into the history and the characters you

943
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: might find at the Halton Hilton Um. All great bars

944
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: have a character too, he says. John Hanley bought the

945
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: bar from his parents in nineteen sixty four and was

946
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: the proprietor there until his death in He was always

947
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: there to talk to people and provide some of his perspective,

948
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 1: at least when he wasn't in his pickup park. Next

949
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: to the building. I like this guy. John was a

950
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: local legend and folk in his own special dialect. He

951
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,959
Speaker 1: held the history of the Halton close to his heart

952
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: and would willingly produce some of the old photos from

953
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: the area and had stories to tell about every one

954
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: of them. Some of his most loyal customers, the folks

955
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: that he served for years, described him as quiet, honest

956
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: and honorable. Yeah, quiet, honest and honorable. I fit that

957
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 1: bill except for quiet um. So to bring it home

958
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: and to get to the best part, right, Matt says

959
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: that upon John's death, his niece took the place over

960
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: and updated it a bit um And as as he

961
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: put it, he'd actually bring his wife there now. And

962
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: that's cool. But that's also like a slippery slope because

963
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: I know a few good bars that lost their magic

964
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: after renovation. You know what I'm saying. The hole in

965
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: the floor in the bat and the pissar kind of

966
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: made it, you know what it was, um, And I

967
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: hope that's not the case at the Hilton. But here's

968
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 1: what really sealed the deal on including the Halton Hilton.

969
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: With this nomination, Matt sent along a link to the

970
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: official Halton Hilton saw Yes, the place has its own song.

971
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: And while I wish we had time to play the

972
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: whole thing, we don't. But really you'll get it with

973
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: just the first thirty seconds way up and oh they'll

974
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: carry either's a tome by the name of or the

975
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: Criptian Clear and the claring flows on bone. There's a

976
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: place where to do their meeting, have a drink and

977
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: do some eating where the gossips saying, then you'll never here.

978
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: Lie it was hotten. I was a Wilton, so I

979
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: hit it for the Hilton to have a beer and

980
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: I'll bared around some prize. They've been built in the

981
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: days of Custer, and it's a home of the belly buster,

982
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: and I'll visit it again before I die. You know,

983
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: I've never visited a bar that had its own either,

984
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: And man, I thought that was like reserved for cheers.

985
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: I don't know who's singing that, but I want to

986
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: hang out with that dude. I want to sell shiner

987
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: with him. Do you know who it might be? It

988
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: might be the Breeze, the guy that caught the p

989
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: a state record Walleye. Like, dude, how much you want

990
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: to bet the Breeze has like swigs some bourbon at

991
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: the Halt and Hilton. He's from those parts anyway, Matt,

992
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: thank you so much for a great nomination. This was

993
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: this was a lot of fun. The theme song was amazing.

994
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: Um And if you've got a fishy bar with or

995
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: without a theme song that you'd like us to consider

996
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: for a shout out here, send the deeds to Bent

997
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: at the meat eater dot com. So, since we just

998
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: got done talking drinking, I gotta ask, right, you posted

999
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: some ice fishing videos on the ground from that little

1000
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: sare and I couldn't help but notice that a sketchy

1001
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: brown like like an old school bootlegger flip cap bottle

1002
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: kept making an appearance. Was that homemade hooch? Because that's

1003
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: what it looked like. In fact, some homemade hooch had

1004
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 1: a boy, you know. That was That was my very

1005
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: last bottle of a run of dandelion wine I made

1006
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: right around when the pandemic first hit, so like April

1007
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: or May, and you know I was I was out

1008
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: with I was out with Miles. Actually he came with me.

1009
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: It was me, Miles, my girlfriend, Miles, Miles Um, Miles kid,

1010
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: and Christine my buddy from the office here and we all,

1011
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: uh caught a couple of perch and a nice buzz

1012
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: because of it, except for Miles. Miles was he's doing

1013
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: one of those dry January things, so I couldn't. I

1014
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: couldn't get him to try it. Okay, well you know

1015
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: what didn't? Did you write a story about that about

1016
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 1: dandelion wine? Now I'm thinking about it. Wasn't there something

1017
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: on the meat eat site that you put together about

1018
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: how you made that? I did? Um, Yeah, I'll put

1019
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: the link in my i G bio for anyone that's interested.

1020
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: It's a fun little project I do like every year

1021
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: or two. It's I will say it is a royal

1022
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: pain in the ass because in order to make it like,

1023
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: the first thing you have to do is I'm gonna

1024
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: go through like a real quick explanation of the tediousness

1025
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: of this process is that you go to a field, right,

1026
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: make sure like it's not a dog park because they

1027
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: piss on the dandelions or like you don't get them

1028
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: from a bank where they're like spraying with like you know,

1029
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 1: round up. But you pick like buckets, like a ten

1030
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: gallon bucket full of dandelions or like halfway full, and

1031
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: then you take them home and you pull the pedals

1032
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: off of the little green cup that holds them all together.

1033
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 1: It's called the spel. So you pull all the pedals

1034
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: and you put them in a pot until you have

1035
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: like a full pot full of dandelion petals, because if

1036
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: you put the green ship in, it's gonna make them

1037
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: real bitter. That sounds excruciating. It's something you do when

1038
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: you have some time, like in the middle of a

1039
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: pandemic um. But you know, I love it when when

1040
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: when you have that, when you get everything all said

1041
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: and done and it's aged, and it's like if you

1042
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: like drinking like springtime or some ship. You know that's

1043
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: that's like such an It's like an Andrew zimmer And

1044
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: thing to say, like it tastes like grass coated and

1045
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: rain water on it. It's more boordine esque. But you

1046
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: know whatever, I'm not it's not. In fact, I tend

1047
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: not to like wine. I just happened to like this. Yeah,

1048
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: you would like bizarre foods anyhow, I don't know. It's

1049
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: a dead of winner and you have this thing you

1050
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: made a couple of springs ago. It's like, I don't know,

1051
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Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, well you can you can explain

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00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: it more. Later people can read the piece, but right now, um,

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00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: we we have some other more pressing things to explain.

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Speaker 1: Let's wrap things up with our news segment, the bent Helpline,

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00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: where we answer your questions, and this week we even

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00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: have a special guest. What do you laughing at, Martini?

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00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: You're not an idiot, you're not a gambloony hell boy,

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00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: You're a fisherman. So we've got a very special edition

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00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: of the bent Helpline today. You've actually called in reinforcements

1060
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: to answer one of your question. We're joined today by

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00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: my good friend Jim Fieva on The Water magazine, who

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00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: was a co host here before before Hayden signed on

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00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: full time. Jim how Art thou good, good? Great? How's

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00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: it feel? How's it feel to be here as an

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00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: expert in a specific, specific faction of fishing. We don't

1066
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: people don't even know what we're talking about. Yeah, but

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00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: you're the man, you're the guy. Oh yeah, I feel

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00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: like I've earned it. So okay, so you know now

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00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: that you mentioned it. Um So anyway, because here's what

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00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: we're talking about. This this question comes to us from

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00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: listen to Ryan Foster and he says, I am curious

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00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: about float and fly technique. Have you guys used it

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00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: and how did it work out? What's the setup you used?

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00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: Is it a Bent approved technique? And he says, I

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00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: feel dirty watching these videos on it being a fly angler,

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00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: but I am not a complete fly guy, Okay, So

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00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: he dabbles in other arenas. Um, I like to fish

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00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: and catch fish. I think we all can agree on that. Ryan,

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Speaker 1: Thanks and keep up the good work guys. So this

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00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: is the thing. I know what flow and fly is.

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00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: I get the premise, but I don't do it yet.

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00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: Jim Jim here on a weekly basis in the winter

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00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: months is just like you are the float and fly

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00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: guy on Instagram. You do this a lot. So I'm like,

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00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: we just gotta call Jim because he does this all

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00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: the time. So rather than me like make ship up

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00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: about what I think I know right, which might not

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00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: be anything, can you explain to us what float and

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00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: fly technique is. Yeah. So I first read about it

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00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: man probably in the late nineties and an in Fisherman

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00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: magazine article, and it was real big for smallmouth bass

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00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: in some in moving water. It was really big for

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00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: them in the springtime. Also, it's what I use it

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00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: for is in the cold water months. So that's one

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00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: of the things I think. I know it is a

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00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: cold like it shines in the off season in cold

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00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: cold water. So all you're doing is suspending a hair

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00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: jig under a float and it's they're usually tied with

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00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: kind of synthetic materials that are gonna have a lot

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00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: of kind of breathing and action as that jake just

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00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: suspends under the float, and it's it's kind of fallen

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00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: out of favor, Like I don't think it's a modern

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00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: technique that guys are really into. Maybe it's coming back

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00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: around again. Seems like all those things come back around,

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00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: but ned riggs now or like that's that's all I

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00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: hear about, is guys using in the winter in the

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00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: wintertime ned rigging in the wintertime. So yeah, so that's

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00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: again not the expert here, but that was the impression

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00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: I got, Like it's it's specifically for suspended fish in

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00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: cold water, and it's not super aggressive, right, Like you're

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00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: kind of just like letting the fly breathe and it's

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00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: just hanging in their face or the jig. That's the

1113
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: other misconception. It's called float and fly. You just said,

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00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: though it's a jig, you're not actually hanging a fly

1115
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: under the bomber. Yeah, it's just it's a hair jig

1116
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: on either a one eighth or one sixteenth pounce jake had.

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00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: Those are the most popular sizes, so it's a pretty

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00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: small presentation. But even though it's small, I mean people

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00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: have called seven eight pound large mouth bass on it.

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Speaker 1: It's really good for you know, small mouth bass four

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Speaker 1: five pounds. I haven't caught a seven or eight pound

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01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: large mouth on it, but I've gotten the excess of

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Speaker 1: five pounds on it. Right. But it was sort of

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01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: developed from moving water, But yet you're using it in

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Speaker 1: still water right up in Massachusetts. Yeah, I'm using it

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Speaker 1: in the ponds here. Um. You know, I live on

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01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: the coast on Cape con so we don't get ice

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Speaker 1: every year, but those ponds are still full of fish

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Speaker 1: and there's great large mouth bass fishing there. You can

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Speaker 1: fish to spending jerk baits or I like this technique

1131
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: because one, it works really well in cold water. And

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Speaker 1: I'm using a real long like ultra light noodle rod

1133
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: to throw it because you need a little extra length

1134
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: to one not only cast like the you know long leader,

1135
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: but Also you're fishing it still, so you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a lot of slack on the water, so you want

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01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: to be able to have a lot of room to

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01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: lift to set the when that goes down at the

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01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: end of your cast. So is there like a specialized

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01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: float or something, or it's just like your running the

1141
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: mill slip bobber. So serious bass guys that are on

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01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: bass boats and have a lot of back cast room

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01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: are using fixed loats so they know they're sending it

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01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: to the same depth, you know, nine ft rods. I'm

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01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: doing it from shore for my kayak mostly, so I

1146
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: use a little slip float and that one's called the

1147
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: phil wobble bobber. The whole the whole idea is it's

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Speaker 1: a tear drop shaped float and it has written on

1149
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: it you know this one will this one will work

1150
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: best with a one eighthounds jake. So it's like you're

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01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: setting up for center pit fishing where the floats to

1152
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: spend a certain amount of weight and the wobble bobber

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01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: the idea behind it. No, it's not just fun to say,

1154
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: but it uh when you have wind or waves, it

1155
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: throws some action. It really does wobble all over the

1156
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: surface gives a little bit more very subtle action to

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01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: the jig. That's what I's gonna ask. Like, I imagine

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01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: at some point you have to work it, and at

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01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: some point if you have a chop, like especially when

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01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: it's cold, you probably get smashed just letting that thing

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01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: bob around out there. Right if you cast it near fish,

1162
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: you can't pause it for long enough. The problem is

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01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: it's you. It's long pausitive. You have to know where

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01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: the fish are, and it's not a search presentation, right,

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01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: got you. Well, I mean, without even knowing all that,

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Speaker 1: I already knew it was a ben approved technique because

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01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: to me, there's no unapproved technique here barring I don't know,

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Speaker 1: throwing a spear at him or something. Hey hey, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no, no no, no. We have we have listeners who are

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Speaker 1: spear fishing. In fact, if you look, I'm wearing a

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01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: spear fishing hoodie right now from my buddy Ryan Ebert.

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Speaker 1: So well, that's a specialized thing to the guys. That's

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Speaker 1: cool and if I can, okay, fine, whatever whatever. So

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Speaker 1: I hope that answers Ryan's questions. I assume that that

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Speaker 1: is the that's the floating fly he's talking about the

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01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: only other thing that comes to mind, or like those

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01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: casting bubbles you can put on your spinning rod to

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01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: dry fly. Jim's like, I am about that too. I

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Speaker 1: never pick up a fly rod. I want to get

1180
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Speaker 1: into that. That is another that's also big up here,

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01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: where it's the clear casting bubbles and you filled them

1182
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: up with a little bit of water and then the

1183
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: guy's up here all fish like wooly buggers. I've seen

1184
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: guys used the floating up Berkeley power worms behind them,

1185
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: and that is really good for trout. But I I

1186
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: I haven't dabbled in that yet, But that's like a

1187
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: trout technique. That's that kind of casting bubble and fly,

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01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: like you said, if you're just determined not to use

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Speaker 1: a fly rod, and then that's also like kind of

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01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: similar to like Joe, you and I talked a little

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01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: bit about, like you know, people fishing with flies using

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01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: noodle rods on like the Great Lakes steelhead scene. Yeah,

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01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean I've thrown a lot of flies for steelhead

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01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: on on long conventional noodle spinning rods with and without floats.

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01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 1: Um for steelhead, I don't know, I don't find any

1196
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: of that dirty. It's all just it just works. It's

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01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: just a different kind of prison. And then the and

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Speaker 1: the other good thing is like your guides don't ice

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Speaker 1: up is bad and like the in the middle of

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01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: winter because you're not like sending that big thick fly

1201
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: line through them and get them all way right, just

1202
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: come up to the Pulaski. Man, everybody's just got motto

1203
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: on their fly reels. Do you tell me about it?

1204
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: Tell me about it. Yeah, it's not there's not even

1205
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: fly line. Well, I am so glad that I had

1206
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: a float and Fly expert to call for this. Um,

1207
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm a floating fly enthusiast editor in chief of Float

1208
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: and Fly Monthly. Um. But I mean I can, I can.

1209
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: I can tell you Ryan that even though I haven't

1210
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: done it, I'd like to. But it absolutely does work because,

1211
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm I'm sitting here staring at the

1212
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: computer and Jim's posting his morning floating fly session photos

1213
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: and catching a lot of fish. So Jim, thank you

1214
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: for that. Um, Ryan, thank you for the question. If

1215
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: you've got a question you'd like us to maybe answer

1216
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: here on the show, you can d m them to

1217
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: me on the Instagram. Or Hayden, or just go ahead

1218
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: and fire those off too. Bent at the meat eater

1219
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: dot com. All right, well that's it for this week, degenerates.

1220
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: If you're presently tying up f G nots for your

1221
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: floating fly session tomorrow, I say a little drip of

1222
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: superglue on the finishing raps never hurt anyone. That's what

1223
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: I would say. I would also say, please keep sending

1224
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: in your questions, bar nominations, awkward photos, sale but items

1225
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: and what every else um you think up to Bent

1226
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: at the meat eater dot com um, and don't forget

1227
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: use those degenerate angler hashtags. Uh you know we see

1228
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: all those posts them, you know, I don't know. We

1229
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: like checking up on what you're into. So you know

1230
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: it's good when I'm at the office and I want

1231
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: to slack a little bit. There you go, Yeah, seeing that.

1232
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,919
Speaker 1: And finally, hey, keep in mind that not tying tools

1233
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: are for the week, and God gave you teeth so

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01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to buy two tungsten carbide now clippers.

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Speaker 1: M