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Speaker 2: it is late April and we are still talking about

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Speaker 2: a topic we've been talking about all.

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Speaker 1: Season, and it's injuries. The good news is executives keep.

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Speaker 2: Telling me that it's always worse in March and April.

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Speaker 2: little ridiculous, I tell you.

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Speaker 3: And it's not just fringe players Ken, It's a lot

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Speaker 3: of heavy hitters. And you know what, It's interesting because

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Speaker 3: you mentioned it's early. But at the same time, as

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Speaker 3: where do we go from here? Why don't you guys

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Speaker 3: make sure you tee up questions for Ken and Grill

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Speaker 3: and Ken, But we also want to get to the

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Speaker 3: of injuries to keep players absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Alana, and let's start with the biggest one yesterday, actually

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Speaker 2: the biggest ones. Both members of the Boris four, Blake

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Speaker 1: Guys are going to be out.

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Speaker 2: Bellinger probably for longer than Snell. But I want to

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Speaker 2: problematic one in my opinion. Blake Snell is a guy

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Speaker 1: He didn't get this past offseason.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you remember a lot of his agent, Scott Boris,

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Speaker 2: This guy missed all spring training. I know he was

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Speaker 2: if he chooses not to opt out, Okay, he'll get

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Speaker 2: another thirty one million in twenty twenty five, but he'll

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Speaker 2: So these are not great outcomes. It's a little different

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Speaker 2: in this case, Alana, it's going to be really interesting

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Speaker 3: Blake's now with an eleven point five to seven earned

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Speaker 1: It gives them depth.

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Speaker 2: But these other teams were talking about they don't have

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Speaker 3: And nobody is going to feel sorry for anybody, you know,

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Speaker 2: Four, no question, Anna, And you're right, no one feels

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Speaker 1: And I want to show you this a lot of too.

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Speaker 1: This is amazing to me.

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Speaker 1: And yet they're getting it done. Now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, three fifths of the rotation on the IL. And

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Speaker 3: This is interesting to me because we noticed this yesterday

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Speaker 2: I think we should both give our takes here, Alana.

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Speaker 2: Now I have all for entertainment. In fact, I've criticized

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Speaker 1: Those entertainment thoughts in mind. And yet this one.

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Speaker 2: I know the Giants want to show up their new

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Speaker 1: I get it, but it's.

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Speaker 2: Now, I say that last night apparently, and I haven't

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Speaker 2: We're seeing other teams start to do this. It's cool,

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Speaker 3: Little too much. This is absurd. I mean, if you're

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Speaker 3: out to those trumpets. Now, he doesn't have the resume

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Speaker 2: A lot of people have asked this kind of thing,

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Speaker 2: not just regarding closer type entrances, Alana, but the whole

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Speaker 2: let the kids play bat flips and all of that.

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Speaker 2: I am fairly relaxed on this. I don't believe in

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Speaker 1: But the sport has done a much.

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Speaker 2: But all of these factors combined definitely have enhanced the

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Speaker 3: Which first place team is a paper tiger? And for

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Speaker 2: Okay, paper tiger is a term I used to describe

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Speaker 1: Right now? I don't believe that the Brewers and Guardians

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Speaker 2: Right They are teams that actually play above their ability,

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if they can sustain it.

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Speaker 2: They're running at a higher level than they did before.

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Speaker 1: And this is what.

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Speaker 2: It seems to be continuing now, how long it lasts,

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Speaker 3: All right, Another question for you, Ken on Grill and Ken,

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Speaker 1: So they pulled back. And if you saw a the

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Speaker 3: You know, from going to why didn't they sell to

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Speaker 2: It's always fair to ask if the Oakland A's are

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Speaker 2: I'd be really surprised if they traded Mason Miller because one,

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Speaker 1: Now, he's a physical question.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see it happening.

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Speaker 1: For Las Vegas.

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Speaker 2: So at some point this pattern has to stop. They

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Speaker 2: Not if the team keeps playing the way it is.

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Speaker 2: I think he stays the entire year and then they

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Speaker 3: the Brewers look like geniuses. This is not part of

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Speaker 2: Just about everything a lot, And what's shocking about them

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Speaker 1: Produced the way they envisioned offensively.

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Speaker 2: They definitely have some offensive issues. They're up there in

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Speaker 2: batting average. They don't strike out.

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Speaker 1: But they're not driving in runs. They're not scoring enough.

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Speaker 1: Gregman has not hit really a braid is a real problem.

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Speaker 1: But the issue for the most part is they're pitching.

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Speaker 1: Injuries are part of that, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 2: They, like the Red Sox, have lost a lot of

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Speaker 2: pitching to the injured list. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: the one thing we thought with this team was that

448
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Speaker 2: the back end of their bullpen would be incredible. It

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Speaker 2: hasn't been Hater struggling, Ryan Presley struggling, Brian Abreu's struggling.

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Speaker 2: It's odd to see that from the Astros, And right

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Speaker 2: now you look at them and you wonder if it's

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Speaker 2: going to be a situation where they're kind of in

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Speaker 2: this slog all year long and they never really get

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Speaker 2: out of it. Maybe as their pitching starts to come back.

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Speaker 2: We've seen Burlander now good and from ber Valdez is

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Speaker 2: supposedly going to come back to real soon. Maybe as

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Speaker 2: that happens, they stabilize and they start to hit.

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Speaker 1: And everything's fine. But man, they've dug a hole here.

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Speaker 3: No question about that. You mentioned Bregman a bray you

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Speaker 3: justin Berlander does throw today. They're playing the Chicago Cubs

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Speaker 3: right now at Wrigley as they get ready to head

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Speaker 3: to Mexico where they are supposed to get from Berveldez back.

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Speaker 3: So that is a good thing. All right, Thank you

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Speaker 3: guys offer those questions. We appreciate you being a participant

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Speaker 3: in the show. Time now for dude and dork. I

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Speaker 3: love this segment of our show. It makes me happy.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna go ahead, Ken and start with your

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Speaker 3: dude of the week. Who is it all right?

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Speaker 2: My dude of the week actually is going to play

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Speaker 2: into maybe a dork of the week.

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Speaker 1: Can't if I'm not stealing one's done.

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Speaker 2: My dude of the week is an innocent man, a

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Speaker 2: man who is simply standing on the steps of the

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Speaker 2: dugout at Yankee Stadium for the day and got tossed

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Speaker 2: by wendelstat Hunter Wendelstett for doing absolutely nothing at all.

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Speaker 1: This was the rare case when a manager really didn't

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Speaker 1: say anything. The camera was on Aaron Boom.

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Speaker 2: After Wendelstead said shut up, Aaron Boone actually did shut up.

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Speaker 1: He raised his hand in peace, and then, of course

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Speaker 1: we know what happened. So Aaron Boone, even.

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Speaker 2: Though Mike Trout has ten home runs in his back,

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Speaker 2: Aaron Boone is my due to the week because he

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Speaker 2: was unfairly persecuted by the men in blue.

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Speaker 3: The man was looking at his Yeah, the man was

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Speaker 3: looking at his cuticles.

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Speaker 1: Ken, he was looking his cuticles. He's had some issues

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Speaker 1: with umpires in the past. But when you're innocent, you're innocent.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Boone is innocent.

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Speaker 3: That's right. He has been ejected eighteen times in the

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Speaker 3: last two years, so he does have a reputation. He

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Speaker 3: is up there. But the man was just looking at

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Speaker 3: his cuticles and he got tossed five pitches into the game.

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Speaker 3: All right, Dude of the Week for me is Cam Boozer.

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Speaker 3: This is a story, Ken that is so cool. This

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Speaker 3: is a guy that was out of baseball, basically retired,

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Speaker 3: you know, from pro ball, and was able after seven

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Speaker 3: years to finally make his major league debut. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's a long time to be out of the game

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Speaker 3: and kind of hang up the cleats and think that

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Speaker 3: the dream is over. And he did it, you know,

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Speaker 3: in his thirties, and he was incredibly emotional on just

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Speaker 3: you know, congratulations to him. Never give up on your dream.

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Speaker 3: What a story for him.

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Speaker 1: He did it.

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Speaker 3: He's a major leaguer. He can say that he played

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Speaker 3: major league baseball.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these are my favorite stories.

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Speaker 2: And I love guys who just persevere, and I actually

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Speaker 2: love major leaguers who kind of.

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Speaker 1: Are beaten down and then come back and revive their careers.

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Speaker 1: But this is the kind of thing really that you

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Speaker 1: don't see.

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Speaker 2: To the same extent in other sports, and it's one

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Speaker 2: of the things that makes baseball unique.

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Speaker 3: It's so special. It kind of reminds me of the

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Speaker 3: Rich Hill story who was pitching an independent ball and

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Speaker 3: then ends up getting an unbelievable, you know, three year

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Speaker 3: contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers that he had been

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Speaker 3: searching for. Now you know, he's basically played for all

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Speaker 3: thirty teams. But that's okay, I love that, So congratulations

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Speaker 3: to him. Okay, you're dork of the week, sir.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's an entire organization, the Chicago White Sox organization.

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Speaker 1: Three and twenty one White Sox.

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Speaker 2: I want to show you just this is historically, just

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Speaker 2: for context, because it's really bad, Folks, three and twenty

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Speaker 2: one to start the season.

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Speaker 1: Here are the worst twenty four game records. The nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty eight Oils. You've heard me.

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Speaker 2: Talk I add nauseum about them. One in twenty three,

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Speaker 2: that's the worst. They lost one hundred and seven two

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Speaker 2: thousand and three. Tigers start three and twenty one lost

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Speaker 2: one hundred and nineteen twenty twenty two, Reds three and

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Speaker 2: twenty one lost one hundred.

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Speaker 1: The White Sox, they.

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Speaker 2: Look like they might lose one hundred and twenty the

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Speaker 2: way they're playing. Ben in tenthy and Andrew Vaughn are

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Speaker 2: their two hitters who have gotten the most played appearances,

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Speaker 2: both sub five hundred opss. It's just a disaster from

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Speaker 2: the top down, and I don't know that it reverses

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Speaker 2: anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: So the White Sox are my dorks of the week.

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you a Colorado Rockies kind of dork

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Speaker 3: of the week question too. I'm going to throw you

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Speaker 3: a curve ball here. Let me think, let me get

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Speaker 3: your opinion on this. What is the worst contract in

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Speaker 3: Colorado professional sports history? Is it Chris Bryant or is

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Speaker 3: it Russell Wilson?

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Speaker 1: Or is it Mike Hampton?

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Speaker 3: Oh, Mike Hamptons. Yeah, that's a good one.

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Speaker 2: Chris Bryant is looking really bad. Now. I don't know

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Speaker 2: enough about football, Alana, and I know you're a big

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Speaker 2: Broncos fan. I can't really pass the judgment. So you

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Speaker 2: answered the question, which.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Mike Campton's up there. My Campton's up there.

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Speaker 3: But I'm gonna go with Chris Bryant. I mean, at

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Speaker 3: least my Campton pitched, you know, every fifth day for

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Speaker 3: the most part. Chris Bryan hasn't. I don't know that

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Speaker 3: he's played thirty games so far with the Colorado Rockies.

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with the Chris

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Speaker 3: Bryan all right, my dork of the week. You alluded

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Speaker 3: to it earlier because Aaron Boone was your dude Hunter

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Speaker 3: wintelstat nobody goes to the games to see the You show,

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Speaker 3: and we're typically talking about Angel Hernandez in these types

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Speaker 3: of situations. But two pitches into the game, you're already

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Speaker 3: giving the benches warnings, and then five pitches into the game,

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Speaker 3: you eject a manager that was looking down at his hands,

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Speaker 3: looking at his cuticles, when it was clearly the fan

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Speaker 3: behind him screaming, which fans have the right to do.

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Speaker 3: So fans pay the tickets, say you money to get

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Speaker 3: into the game, and you can see there. I'm just

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Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of especially And it's funny too,

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Speaker 3: because I was having this conversation with Chris Russo on

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Speaker 3: our show High Heat, and he was saying, that's you know,

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Speaker 3: that's the bad job.

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Speaker 1: Did he have?

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Speaker 3: You know, bad eggs for breakfast it's a one o'clock game,

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Speaker 3: one oh three in the afternoon, and he's already throwing

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Speaker 3: guys out. And I asked Chris, I said, so if

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Speaker 3: it was a seven oh three game, that type of

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Speaker 3: behavior would be fine. He's like, just you know, it's

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Speaker 3: a it's a nice ballgame, nice afternoon in the Bronx

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Speaker 3: and Hunter windewstut, stop it. You are not the show.

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Speaker 3: You are not the reason that those fans are in

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Speaker 3: the stands. And again Boone has a has a reputation.

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Speaker 3: But that one was a bit uncalled.

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Speaker 2: For a lot of two things about that one. The

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Speaker 2: game had just started, As you mentioned, it was so

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Speaker 2: early that the Yankee fans were still doing the roll call.

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Speaker 2: You could hear the roll calls. This back and forth

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Speaker 2: between wendel Stet and Boon is going on.

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Speaker 1: And then I won't name.

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Speaker 2: The coach, but I spoke with the Yankees coach this

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Speaker 2: week who told me he wasn't even in the dugout

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Speaker 2: yet he got ejected. He was walking from the clubhouse

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Speaker 2: to the dugout.

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Speaker 1: It's just amazing how quickly that happened.

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Speaker 3: And then Ken then he doubled down because when Aaron said,

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Speaker 3: I didn't even say anything. He goes, I don't care

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Speaker 3: who said it. What do you mean, you don't care

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Speaker 3: who said it? That's the whole point.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess his point was that it could have

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Speaker 2: come from the dugout. He's responsible for the dugout, but

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Speaker 2: it didn't come from the dugout. In fact, Boone pointed

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Speaker 2: to the stands he must have heard it himself.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing was just uncalled for.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure Hunter Wendall Staid is a fine umpire

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Speaker 2: and does a great job for the most part, but

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Speaker 2: that was not the best moment of his career.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jim Bowden said that he needed to be suspended

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Speaker 3: with pay for one game for his actions and lack

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Speaker 3: of accountability. What a concept accountability for umpires. Perhaps that

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Speaker 3: is a discussion you can have on Monday when Ken

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Speaker 3: Rosenthal returns here on Foul Territory. Ken is back on

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Speaker 3: Foul Territory. You can certainly subscribe. You can like Ken's

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Speaker 3: back on Monday with Fair Territory. You're in a lot

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Speaker 3: of shows, my friend, You're doing a lot of things.

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Speaker 3: So have a good have a fair foul, have a

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Speaker 3: good weekend. Dodger's Territory is coming up later today, of course,

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Speaker 3: at three pm Eastern noon Pacific time. That's going to

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Speaker 3: do it for Ken Rosenhal. I'm Alana Rizzo here on

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Speaker 3: Fair Territory again. Remember Ken is back on Monday at

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Speaker 3: twelve thirty Pacific. We'll see you then