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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephan

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Speaker 1: never told your production of iHeart Radio, and today we

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Speaker 1: have a listener of Maile episode for you. Some really

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Speaker 1: fantastic ones that were excited to share. As always, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much for taking the time

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Speaker 1: to send these things, because we love them and we

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Yes we do. And we're gonna start

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Speaker 1: off with Jennifer because I feel like she hears my

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Speaker 1: heart with this email. I really do. She wrote in

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Speaker 1: your episode about story game apps, you explored the ginger options.

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Speaker 1: I think as usual, great episode of points. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much. My experience with a certain type of those

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Speaker 1: games is maybe tangentital, but it left the lasting impression.

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Speaker 1: L O L. I thought i'd share. I never did

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Speaker 1: download any of these, but I remember the advertising blizz

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Speaker 1: for for sure. I was playing a lot of word Blitz,

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Speaker 1: a Boggle style game and about the only game on

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Speaker 1: Facebook I played years ago. I was addicted to Candy

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Speaker 1: collect animals. I don't remember this one, she continues on.

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Speaker 1: I play Animal Crossing too currently. Maybe it's a kid's game.

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Speaker 1: I don't know it's cute. It's not a kid's game.

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Speaker 1: It's not a kid's game. It's still that little quick

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Speaker 1: and she says, I like it. I'm forty four, right

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Speaker 1: here with you, right here with you, Jennifer. So she continues,

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Speaker 1: it was probably two, though the year is kind of fuzzy,

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Speaker 1: and every ad that came up was one of those

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Speaker 1: choose your own adventure style things with a woman and

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Speaker 1: a ridiculous, somewhat misogynist a crisis over the one where

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Speaker 1: and you have to close the valves to make water

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Speaker 1: stuff is breaking and you have three options like wrench, fire, extinguisher,

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Speaker 1: water hose, choosing the wrong order maybe burns everything down.

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Speaker 1: And in the ads they never take you through the

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Speaker 1: best path. Of course, I get it. Yeah, that's just

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Speaker 1: part of the reason it gives me. Is it that hard?

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Speaker 1: Isn't this hard new? Even I get the impulse to

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Speaker 1: help those pitiful characters. It's kind of frustrating to watch

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Speaker 1: and some more misogynistics, but I'm definitely not here to

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Speaker 1: judge anyone who enjoys them liking and enjoying things. It's

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Speaker 1: complicated and we like what we like. Agreed. Also, no

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Speaker 1: hate for the story games. I love to choose your

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Speaker 1: own adventure books as a kid in the similar Commodore

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Speaker 1: Succeed board game a pirate adventure where the product was

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Speaker 1: always what do you want to do now? And you say,

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Speaker 1: a wild adventure hunting for treasure, which was sort of

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Speaker 1: along these lines. Yes, the genre. I wanted to ask

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Speaker 1: I've been having trouble googling, and I haven't seen this

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Speaker 1: They're usually called choose your story, or makeover or story

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Speaker 1: just sort of not very descriptive words that don't bring

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Speaker 1: You may have mentioned one of them, but yours for

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Speaker 1: sure sounded different or better than ones I've seen. Advertise,

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Speaker 1: I did find a few with similar graphics to what

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Speaker 1: take you through while interrupting my word game, we're always horrendous.

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Speaker 1: I'm willing to concede that they might not all be

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Speaker 1: legs and armpits. There's a big green cloud around her.

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Speaker 1: boyfriend is coming. You have to be ready. You're giving

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Speaker 1: three options, like a razor, soap, and something else. The

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Speaker 1: Then you were invited to download L O L. I

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Speaker 1: get that marketing employe, you can do better for her

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Speaker 1: is tempting, but the barrage of similar games marketed at

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Speaker 1: asking myself a lot of things, For instance, who am

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Speaker 1: options for the woman are fixed a window or get

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Speaker 1: more bald, my husband, I just yelled more bald when

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Speaker 1: all the chances to something we have to decide all

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Speaker 1: suck equally badly. Yes, So, yes, I know exactly what

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Speaker 1: you're talking about, Jennifer, because I did get this makeover

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Speaker 1: game and I deleted it because it was obnoxious. But

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Speaker 1: it's like Match three games, and then after you build

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Speaker 1: their recent tactics because before when I downloaded it, it

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Speaker 1: was literally like, we need to fix up this shop.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, what is this And it was

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Speaker 1: it can't be that hard. They got me, they got me,

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Speaker 1: But these have gotten worse where they are. Yes, they're

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Speaker 1: It is awful. There's another game, but I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: I haven't played it, but like it's similar to this

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Speaker 1: he has this very ugly girl quote unquote, and it's

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Speaker 1: can't fix that. There's no way to fix that. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, why do we need to fix that

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Speaker 1: for any of this? And what is the scenario in general?

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Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, you're so ugly, I have had

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Speaker 1: and I think Jennifer might understand they use that tactic

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Speaker 1: because when I was reading this message, I would be like,

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Speaker 1: because one of them is like, if you shave, if

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Speaker 1: you pick the wrong thing to shave her with, yeas

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Speaker 1: you shave your head. And I'm like what And I'm

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Speaker 1: going to say it's a little racist. I'm putting that

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Speaker 1: Like it's supposed to be dirty quote unquote, and I'm

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Speaker 1: like this still some white nonsense. This feels like some

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Speaker 1: white nonsense right here. Well, thanks for bringing this. I

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Speaker 1: I never Thismantha clearly has with you and I need

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Speaker 1: about this. That's interesting. Um Kate wrote a few years back.

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Speaker 1: I heard the advice of saying I'm fine versus it's fine,

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Speaker 1: as by saying it's fine, you're dismissing the trauma as

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Speaker 1: I'm fine, shifts the narrative to you being okay without

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Speaker 1: undermining the trauma you've experienced. It really helps me shift

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Speaker 1: my thinking as women are taught to underplay their trauma

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Speaker 1: This language shift has also helped me stop this people pleasing.

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Speaker 1: I've emailed you a couple of times before, one about

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Speaker 1: Pooh and another about horror movies, as I love them

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Speaker 1: the movies not who. I have a ticket to see Bodies, Bodies,

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Speaker 1: Bodies and a Welsh horror movie called Feast. I'm also

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Speaker 1: which is this weekend. Well, that sounds great, that all

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Speaker 1: be wrong. I guess I couldn't assume. But this was

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Speaker 1: for that message, Helena wrote, I wanted to send another

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Speaker 1: raving fan letter on your recent episode of women and

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Speaker 1: student Debt. It spoke so much to me. I'm a

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Speaker 1: to realize that I have carried this debt since I

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