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Speaker 1: inane conversation about Ali versus New York. But in l
Speaker 1: A you get an unobstructed light and it really does
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Speaker 1: That's my streams just for everyone that doesn't know. This
Speaker 1: is day four of Bone and I being in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: like really literally living on top of each other, and
Speaker 1: um Matt has made such progress. We were walking down
Speaker 1: since at Bolevards. He points up to the Griffith Observative
Speaker 1: Observator where he goes, wow, look at that house. I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I thought it was a house Griffith.
Speaker 1: It's my second time here. The first time I was
Speaker 1: on vacation with my family. We wanted a celebrity homes
Speaker 1: toour and almost died chasing Adrian Grannier down the street.
Speaker 1: The guy was it was like a Safari cart, and
Speaker 1: the guy's like, there's Adrian Grenier and then we really
Speaker 1: almost died trying to get a minute. Wasn't poetically? That
Speaker 1: would have been so poetically. I would have loved that
Speaker 1: to be to be the news. The news, you guys,
Speaker 1: we have a resplendent guest. Oh baby, baby, baby, can
Speaker 1: we talk about the credits. Let's talk about the credits
Speaker 1: as he fucking sharts at his mouth into the mic,
Speaker 1: so listen you can see him. Well, first of all,
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Speaker 1: reels anymore. No, it is a full platform, honey, with
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Speaker 1: Party on TBS, animals on HBO, honey. Um, And he
Speaker 1: has a live show at the Satellite every second Tuesday
Speaker 1: of the month, and he's going to be at the
Speaker 1: Bellhouse in New York. He's returning to the old stomping
Speaker 1: grounds June. Check him out. Then, guy, guys, welcome John Early, Hey, guys, Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: drawn podcast voice. Well, I really think I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this could be the podcast where I
Speaker 1: learned to like try to let the the artifice of
Speaker 1: it melt away. Yeah, No, this is that. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: you're what you're saying at the moment, you're saying, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of artifice now no, no, no, okay, wait
Speaker 1: wait wait wait what do I love artifice I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Mike's headphones because I've been on you know,
Speaker 1: a million podcasts part of the part of the round it,
Speaker 1: and I always I never really get to a place
Speaker 1: of conversational ease. Yeah. Never, like it's impossible, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I'm immediately comforted by both of you guys. Really, really,
Speaker 1: what do you know each other from? Back? Yeah? From that? Um.
Speaker 1: I remember John. First time I ever heard about John
Speaker 1: was he was in a production of the production of
Speaker 1: Here We Go Charles Charles Bitch. I didn't see it,
Speaker 1: but I heard but no, but people were like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, John Early, John really really John Early, John Early.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, blip on my radar. And then,
Speaker 1: of course, start your skin, guys, if you haven't seen
Speaker 1: Start your Skin, it is truly like the seed crystal
Speaker 1: of this whole thing of John's whole career. You must,
Speaker 1: I mean, it still holds up so well, it does.
Speaker 1: Just Google, Start your Skin. It's fantastic. Google. Also, if
Speaker 1: you want to see me at my skinniest, sure, I mean,
Speaker 1: but who wasn't skinnier? No? Nine, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: it was just a time when we're all we all
Speaker 1: had we all had jaw lines, and I know I
Speaker 1: felt great about ourselves. I can look at it and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I look young, you know, like that's
Speaker 1: you're forever young. Now there's a there's I won't deny that.
Speaker 1: The change in my physical activity from when I was
Speaker 1: nineteen to it's like night and day. Like I used
Speaker 1: to be like a runner. I ran every single day
Speaker 1: and now we this is our second day in a
Speaker 1: reading McDonald's, and I know that it will hit me
Speaker 1: tomorrow like it's it's coming. I can feel the body changing,
Speaker 1: but like physically it hasn't really repercussed, but it will,
Speaker 1: and I'm very aware of that. Well anyway, sorry, we
Speaker 1: don't need to I immediately I always make it about weight. No,
Speaker 1: within ten minutes, I'll make community and we should be talking.
Speaker 1: Tell you it's not only a weight journey for me.
Speaker 1: It's a jowl journey first and foremost. It's like when facially,
Speaker 1: it's like when when is this going to like just
Speaker 1: I don't know, No, I'm just saying I'm like when
Speaker 1: did FaceTime? Like when did I when was I all
Speaker 1: of FaceTime? Right? You know what I mean? I take
Speaker 1: up the whole frame. Now that's just that's just an
Speaker 1: arm length thing. That's no, it doesn't matter how far
Speaker 1: I could put at the end of the room, and
Speaker 1: if I walked, my face takes with the whole frame.
Speaker 1: But when it's a parallax effect, John, how are you emotionally?
Speaker 1: What's your climate? What's your climate? I'm good, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: actually really good. I just moved here. Yes, it's perm
Speaker 1: we we've established that it's it's um. Yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: like having a great time. I've met some great people.
Speaker 1: I'm loving my little bungalow. Let me say, John moved
Speaker 1: from a beautiful place Gregg told me was a beautiful
Speaker 1: place in cobble Hill. Wait, Greg, Greg cawse attack beautiful
Speaker 1: place in cobble Hill or gardens was Carol Carol Garen's
Speaker 1: beautiful place in Carol Garden really right on the border
Speaker 1: in cobble Hill. You know it, you know it. And
Speaker 1: then to go from that to Silver Lake, I mean
Speaker 1: it's the ultimate. Come on. I mean that's a that's
Speaker 1: a lateral move for me at least. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like Carol Gardens is like no, yeah, I would kill
Speaker 1: for that. I lived in south Slope. Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: almost almost they called it Greenwood Heights Heights. But anyway, um, so,
Speaker 1: so congrats on the move. Sorry, I just had to
Speaker 1: like just just take that tangent with the Carol Gardens.
Speaker 1: Was it an anguish decision that you were like, no,
Speaker 1: it's time, I'm ready? There was no, Thankfully, there was
Speaker 1: no anguish because I thought I had a job like
Speaker 1: Kate and I thought we had a job, and so
Speaker 1: there was no choice. It was just like I have
Speaker 1: to move to pack up a move, which made it
Speaker 1: so easy. I sobbed. I was like I've delayed my
Speaker 1: flight for four days. I just kept pushing it back
Speaker 1: and like literally hourly, like I would like push it
Speaker 1: back a few hours, push it back a whole day,
Speaker 1: and I just refused to pack. Then, like the night before, Sorry,
Speaker 1: was that a pop? No? No, no no, I was
Speaker 1: an emotional reaction. Then the night before I like I
Speaker 1: just like went to put every for all my furniture
Speaker 1: on Craigslist for free, and like I had like scavengers
Speaker 1: come pick through it, and then I, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: and I just I was a mess leaving New York.
Speaker 1: Had a very kind of clean like on the on
Speaker 1: the plane right there, I read I like, my friend
Speaker 1: sent me a PDF of Goodbye to All That Joan Didion.
Speaker 1: And then I finished the essay. And then I had
Speaker 1: purchased the Jonathan Gold documentary on iTunes, so I just
Speaker 1: so I provided a I really took care of myself.
Speaker 1: I made that that flight a metaphor. Sure, and I
Speaker 1: and I and I and it was beautiful. It worked.
Speaker 1: And then I got here and I just I've had
Speaker 1: such a great time. That's good. And you know what,
Speaker 1: New York is still there, It's still there. It's still there,
Speaker 1: works still there, and works still there. What was the
Speaker 1: toughest part? We like, well, what set you off in
Speaker 1: the in the sobbing? Sobbing was like, well, not the people,
Speaker 1: not the people, not the people, um no. The what
Speaker 1: set me off was like, I think it's just I
Speaker 1: spent all ten years of my twenties and in New York,
Speaker 1: and so it just it's just a very natural like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's over my twenties. It was just saying twenties. And
Speaker 1: then also like, there is something so devastating about moving
Speaker 1: when you're single, Like when you're doing all that stuff
Speaker 1: by yourself and you have no one like I had
Speaker 1: like three I had like four suitcases, like everything was packed,
Speaker 1: and then I had four suitcases that I was taking
Speaker 1: on the plane and I was like it like dawned
Speaker 1: on me. It was like fully snowing, and I was
Speaker 1: like when I was like waiting outside for the cab,
Speaker 1: I was like, I literally am not going to be
Speaker 1: able to carry these stuff from the cab to the
Speaker 1: check in whatever, check in chicken in. Who Cares? That's
Speaker 1: the thing about your podcast, Who Cares? Who Cares? Um?
Speaker 1: But yeah, But then I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is so brutal. I just I don't know, you
Speaker 1: just start and then I just started like looking at past.
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but start thinking about past. You're revisiting
Speaker 1: the romantic aspect of New York, and there's just something
Speaker 1: about like leaving a city for good with no one.
Speaker 1: You're like, you're like, oh, well I failed, which of
Speaker 1: course isn't true. It just in my heightened emotional state,
Speaker 1: and like I never nothing ever worked, And you think
Speaker 1: it's going to be easier because you're like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: nothing here to fucking keep me behind. I'm not tangled
Speaker 1: upping anything here, but kt tunstalls playing underscoring the move.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. I don't know. I just was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, I was really upset, But I think
Speaker 1: it was also just a totally normal emotional response that
Speaker 1: I was then like trying to like a sign meaning
Speaker 1: to really was just like a big change change. Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: I mean we're here for a week and I spent
Speaker 1: the whole first forty eight I was like having an
Speaker 1: anxiety attack. What was it about? You know what? It
Speaker 1: was really just like I felt like, you know what
Speaker 1: it is. It's like a Pavlovian thing I'm having, if
Speaker 1: that's even the right word, where it reminds me of
Speaker 1: Long Island where I grew up, because you have to
Speaker 1: drive everywhere. And then I was we were sitting around.
Speaker 1: We were separated one night. This is how dependent I am.
Speaker 1: We were separated one night and I was like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And he didn't respond for like two hours,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what's happening? What's going on? M I
Speaker 1: in high school. It's very the kind of thing. This
Speaker 1: isn't a city, first of all, I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 1: This is a part of a state, okay, And you
Speaker 1: got to drive around and maybe it's I don't think
Speaker 1: so high Angel Pastiche of Neighbor. No, I'm having a
Speaker 1: good time now. But yeah, I was just anxious. Maybe
Speaker 1: it is because I'm separated from Henry. Oh that's it.
Speaker 1: I'm just crazy. Yeah Henry he tinkled a key. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: I know him. But literally he's like such a Facebook
Speaker 1: person for me, and he just got back on Facebook
Speaker 1: and he's been very absent. In fact, everyone everyone check
Speaker 1: out his recent post where he's detailed everything that's going
Speaker 1: on in his life in the past six months that
Speaker 1: Facebook has missed. He listed the shows that he's watched,
Speaker 1: one of the Research Party, which she loved. Thank God.
Speaker 1: A little bit of love for you there. Um. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's and I was thinking to myself, like that's how
Speaker 1: crazy it is, Like he feels like the need to
Speaker 1: like update everyone, like just so you know, Facebook, we've
Speaker 1: been we've been apart, and here's what's going on, right,
Speaker 1: Like the point was to actually excise all the all
Speaker 1: that impulse to share what you're doing and then you
Speaker 1: come back and you have like so funny, No, it was,
Speaker 1: it was very But I had a conversation with someone
Speaker 1: yesterday who was like not on Facebook, and never has been.
Speaker 1: And she's like, it's very interesting, it's like food and water.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, it's not, but it sometimes feels
Speaker 1: that pervasive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, But it was to
Speaker 1: go back to your anxiety. Oh it was Henry related.
Speaker 1: You know what it is. It's coming here and not
Speaker 1: loving it at first and knowing, oh I might have
Speaker 1: to move here someday. Well that's really at the right restaurant.
Speaker 1: But it's literally just like, where did you go? Honestly,
Speaker 1: I've been pushing mohawk Bend on this one. I mean
Speaker 1: he went there for drinks, but we did, and it's
Speaker 1: immediately just no, stop here, we go here to do
Speaker 1: you need to go to? Okay, well where are you
Speaker 1: staying here? We're staying. We're moving everywhere in between AIRB
Speaker 1: and b's be a little Armenia. We're gonna move great water. Um,
Speaker 1: you need to go to Night Market Song, you need
Speaker 1: to go to twelve Familiar, You need to go to
Speaker 1: John Venny's. You need to go to Change Do Taste Taste.
Speaker 1: We got to go. Is this on cool? Do Taste
Speaker 1: is the best ever had in my life? Change Do Taste?
Speaker 1: We're going? Okay, thank you, thank you any anything else? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other things. Can I is this
Speaker 1: some cool? We went to Kanye and Ted's I love
Speaker 1: Kanye and love it. I love it. That's great. That's
Speaker 1: what an assortment of oysters that place can lay out. Guys,
Speaker 1: um our waiter, our server came by to talk to us,
Speaker 1: talk us through the many. Name was Max. Matt saw
Speaker 1: the oyster list and asked him. And Matt works in
Speaker 1: the industry industry. He works at a seafood restaurant and
Speaker 1: were in Red Hook. You know Red Hook, So Matt
Speaker 1: Matt is, Matt is very called Brooklyn Crab. So Matt
Speaker 1: has like a working knowledge of this. And he asked,
Speaker 1: do you guys have all these oysters? And then and
Speaker 1: Max says, yes, we do. And Matt this is so adorable.
Speaker 1: In his excitement and his delight was said, Wow, that
Speaker 1: is super cool. I should qualify the no place has
Speaker 1: a dozen different kinds of oysters, unless that's an l
Speaker 1: a thing, and in which case I will move here.
Speaker 1: I love myself some some raw shellfish and shellfish. But
Speaker 1: Matt is really um is really acclimating to the city
Speaker 1: well and to the show biz here. Speaking of show
Speaker 1: biz John, can we talk about five five please? And
Speaker 1: holy sh it, you guys are so good. It's nuts.
Speaker 1: You should be super proud. You should be so proud.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've just so many thoughts and just
Speaker 1: so many good I felt very seen. But yes, I
Speaker 1: grabbed the one and I was like, this is literally insane.
Speaker 1: Also in Nicole's MUSEO was so fan of the pod Nicole,
Speaker 1: but she like will quote it back to us sometimes
Speaker 1: and we're like that, um, but holy sh it, I
Speaker 1: felt super seen by that episode. But it's like when
Speaker 1: you guys are describing the characters that you have that
Speaker 1: that's every showcase? What was that? What does the title mean?
Speaker 1: That's what? And we know it's five different installments. I
Speaker 1: mean it's literally that simple. And then it just happened
Speaker 1: to like also have some thematic relevance of just like
Speaker 1: the fake area code that using movies when there's like
Speaker 1: a phone number, I know that. Yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: whenever it's because you legally can't be like three win. Oh,
Speaker 1: but we do have a phone number in one of
Speaker 1: the shorts, which we didn't even no one on set
Speaker 1: was considering, and we like when we were editing it.
Speaker 1: We were like holding hands and we called the number,
Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, oh my god, and then
Speaker 1: it was a fax machine. We're there, but yeah, five
Speaker 1: five yea, that's the fake area code. And so we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's kind of nice because there's like it's like related
Speaker 1: to Hollywood, and it's like it's you know, there's some
Speaker 1: element of artifice in every short. You know. I was
Speaker 1: hoping it was as simple as it literally is. And
Speaker 1: by the way, good job, because people are literally never
Speaker 1: consider that. People. We've been interviewed so many times. People
Speaker 1: were like, so there's six shorts. I'm like, no, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so weird to me that no one picks up
Speaker 1: on that. Right, Oh my god, it's so good. That
Speaker 1: last shot. I mean, it's it's it cuts from you.
Speaker 1: Here's a question. I want to dive right to the
Speaker 1: truth of this. Can he see at the end of
Speaker 1: the fifth episode or do you not even know? Well, listen,
Speaker 1: that was not in the script at all. That was
Speaker 1: actually that moment of me looking at Kate is actually
Speaker 1: just when we had stopped shooting. Okay, it's even better,
Speaker 1: and we were shooting. We were we were going to
Speaker 1: shoot something where I was like looking past her and
Speaker 1: we accidentally made I contact. She was gonna that's why
Speaker 1: we have the reaction of her being like yeah. But
Speaker 1: then in editing it was like it just worked really beautifully. Andy,
Speaker 1: who directed it, was like just it was like a
Speaker 1: really effective, powerful ending. However, I don't think he can see.
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in a short in which he can see.
Speaker 1: Andy and Kate might disagree with me on that, but like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I think he's really going blind, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: he's screaming in the meeting, like he's really going blind
Speaker 1: and like and yeah, so I just I just don't
Speaker 1: think he would make it up to get out of
Speaker 1: his life for something that you could you can interpret
Speaker 1: it that way. My interpretation was the book club that
Speaker 1: this is that he gained a sight back in that moment.
Speaker 1: She was like fuck, And to me that was clearly
Speaker 1: like that. I like, I looked at Bowen and I
Speaker 1: thought we thought the same exact thing, which is like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he can see again, not that not
Speaker 1: that he could see all along, but that he can
Speaker 1: know he genuinely was blind. But then he gets it back.
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I don't know what consider that
Speaker 1: he is in grace. I know, I honestly only considered
Speaker 1: it as either it's literally an accident, she was confused,
Speaker 1: or he has been faking it. And but that is beautiful,
Speaker 1: and I want to say that that's right. I am.
Speaker 1: I was positive. This is why we record the podcast
Speaker 1: if we get to that Colonel of truth. Also, we
Speaker 1: started that episode and Bone goes, I love her straight hair. Stop, no, god,
Speaker 1: damn it. No, No, that's not how I meant it.
Speaker 1: I know, but it's great. She looks amazing. I mean
Speaker 1: it's not about the hair, but I just just not
Speaker 1: for that character, but perfect, but she did look for me.
Speaker 1: It's also Kate was so funny with the straight here,
Speaker 1: like it was the way and well she also yeah,
Speaker 1: it totally informed the dancing. And then also like she
Speaker 1: just as Kate herself the whole day was like this
Speaker 1: is crazy, right, she kept taking picture of herself. She's like,
Speaker 1: this is insane. I'm telling you, I haven't had straight
Speaker 1: hair since I was twelve. I was like, I know,
Speaker 1: like she is absolutely obsessed with her straight hair, and
Speaker 1: it really, I mean she is. She could have done
Speaker 1: it without the hair, but I feel like the hair
Speaker 1: really put her into that fully literally upset with it
Speaker 1: was that extra push and then Boone turns me and
Speaker 1: he goes, we really are all robots. We all high
Speaker 1: were not were very sober, but talking. But I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like we just sucking talk like zombies. That's what this
Speaker 1: whole thing is. Like. We have a certain friend that
Speaker 1: we that we looked at each other and we're like,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, like that was that was that the count?
Speaker 1: That was a sillable count. Actually, and you know what
Speaker 1: they don't listen to because who cares, because who cares
Speaker 1: cares cares? But it was, it was, it was. It's
Speaker 1: so good that you should be so proud. I loved it. No,
Speaker 1: I mean every single episode. And also I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: how dark, how dark, very dark. I thought watching the
Speaker 1: first episode, I'm like, oh, we're going to get a
Speaker 1: narrative here, She's going to find him. No, but they're
Speaker 1: is a little gentle narrative. And also Kate's character at
Speaker 1: the end says, you have to hear my new clients.
Speaker 1: She's a genius. So you're supposed to assume that the
Speaker 1: girl made it, not me see, and I was confused
Speaker 1: about that. I was like, is this a gender is
Speaker 1: not a thing right for a moment? Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's that she she's that shot of her pushing at
Speaker 1: the end. She survived and like you're supposed to assume
Speaker 1: it's somehow she gets vengeance, right, And there was them
Speaker 1: what with the other little nexus there for the series tube,
Speaker 1: the tube that anyone who's listening, who has not watched
Speaker 1: of your listeners, it is just so funny, like the tube.
Speaker 1: It's going to be one of those things that I
Speaker 1: don't drop. I mean, I I think it's legitimately so
Speaker 1: freaking amazing. I want everyone to watch it. And while
Speaker 1: we're talking about that, Okay, so we touched down here
Speaker 1: and some of our friends told us about this video.
Speaker 1: They were like, you've seen this, and I was like, no, Freckle, Freckle, oh,
Speaker 1: Freckles a genius, Jason. We just discovered this and I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone in New York like knew of it.
Speaker 1: But it's insane, guys, look it up. Look it up,
Speaker 1: Jason Green, Freckle acting reel and then all the Caleb
Speaker 1: Gallo stuff stuff. It's so good. Anyway, I hung out
Speaker 1: with Freckle a few times since I moved here and
Speaker 1: it's so funny. It's yeah, extremely extremely funny. Can't let
Speaker 1: it go alright, So listen, guys, this is the moment
Speaker 1: in the episode where we ask of our guests the
Speaker 1: cultural beginnings of Genreally, so, what was the culture that
Speaker 1: made you young? Genreally say cultures? For me, I want
Speaker 1: to move in a cultural direction. Well, it was really
Speaker 1: like southern boy. I was a Southern boy in Nashville, Tennessee,
Speaker 1: nash home of country music and the show Nashville and
Speaker 1: the show Nashville and the movie Nashville. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: of course. Um I called sure. I mean, yeah, Like
Speaker 1: it's a broad question. It's tough, but it can know,
Speaker 1: it's very easy for me to answer. I'm honestly just
Speaker 1: like where do I Where do I start? Um? It
Speaker 1: was mostly like you know, it was the Blockbuster trips.
Speaker 1: It was like my mom dropping me off a Blockbuster
Speaker 1: as she was grocery shopping, and like going to the
Speaker 1: Sundance recommend section, which happened to be very close to
Speaker 1: like the game and lesbian section. So that's where I
Speaker 1: was really going. So were you looking at them and
Speaker 1: not renting them? Or just seemed like what was out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like looking at this Sunnan and then like
Speaker 1: you know, shooting the eye, darting the eye over to
Speaker 1: the gay stuff and not renting. It's like target look
Speaker 1: at the underwear. Yes, just like that. I did rent.
Speaker 1: I rented queers Folk eventually, but like asked for it
Speaker 1: to go bag And then I would get in the
Speaker 1: car like what did you get? I like sense and
Speaker 1: sense of I just yeah it was. And then I
Speaker 1: would watch it and like with my remote an inch
Speaker 1: away from the TV, Like I was like my eyes
Speaker 1: were this close to the screen in case they came
Speaker 1: in just anything. Yeah, um no, but that's through that
Speaker 1: kind of like I don't know what I think. I
Speaker 1: was very much like trying to be older than I was,
Speaker 1: and I was obsessed with like the idea of having
Speaker 1: good taste and like and like surpassing my childish peers
Speaker 1: and their like love of like zoog Disney, you know,
Speaker 1: and so like I was very like annoyingly proud of
Speaker 1: like Oh. I also my sister had a friend Jenna,
Speaker 1: who was so funny and cool and gorgeous, and I'm
Speaker 1: like I was. She was my older sister, and I
Speaker 1: would always just try to impress her and make her laugh.
Speaker 1: And then she was like I told her, I was like,
Speaker 1: I love the movie Clock Watchers Tony Colette Good and
Speaker 1: that movie was the start of like a lot for me.
Speaker 1: And then she she started kind of like, oh, you
Speaker 1: should see these like Bridget fund of movies and like
Speaker 1: so there was kind of like in these Parker Posy movies,
Speaker 1: like there's kind of like a nineties indie film like
Speaker 1: with women in the Of course that was very important
Speaker 1: to me. That was. But then also just like I
Speaker 1: watched I Love Lucy constantly and and then I remember
Speaker 1: like seeing the Spartan cheerleaders and being like oh my god,
Speaker 1: I like and not knowing what SNL was was like
Speaker 1: nine and me like who what is that? And my
Speaker 1: parents explaining SNL to me, and then like going back,
Speaker 1: you know, watching the gera of SNL and like finding
Speaker 1: the women of each generation and just becoming obsessed with
Speaker 1: the women of SNL because for Spartans, I mean for me,
Speaker 1: it was I'm sure this is what you're a loading to.
Speaker 1: For me, it was all about Cherry. It was completely
Speaker 1: all aboutout Cherry. I had like an autograph picture of her.
Speaker 1: I was so obsessed with Sure, Terry. Yeah, Morning Latte
Speaker 1: is like Morning lat is like the foundation of my
Speaker 1: sense of humor. It's so funny. I yeah, will for
Speaker 1: it could have been invisible. It was, but he's obviously,
Speaker 1: but like it was about her absolutely, But also it
Speaker 1: just feels like he's such a good scene partner too,
Speaker 1: Like it's so cool that, like he is such a megastar.
Speaker 1: But then you go back and watch SNL and he's
Speaker 1: like such a good supporting player her on a gas
Speaker 1: STARMI Shan and they're like so many little duo stuff
Speaker 1: that he does where he like takes the back seat.
Speaker 1: You forget that he's a straight man in Celebrity Jeopardy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Essentially, it's like that's like
Speaker 1: one of the things he's known for and you would
Speaker 1: never associate with, like you know, solid straight man, but
Speaker 1: like he does that extremely well. So good, Yeah good.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, what what emotions get stirred
Speaker 1: up when I say the name Tony Collette, because you
Speaker 1: I really like intense emotions. I really loved her so much,
Speaker 1: and I mean, where do we begin. She there is
Speaker 1: something about her that hits on like such like an
Speaker 1: intrinsic level because I literally me, your solo show you
Speaker 1: talk about make her proud, and that is like it
Speaker 1: is gay totally because it's about dance. It ultimately tells
Speaker 1: a queer narrative narrative. My I had a teacher in
Speaker 1: college that was like, we have to talk about the
Speaker 1: Six Cents and specifically this scene in the car and
Speaker 1: Tony Collette got an Oscar nomination and just about like
Speaker 1: that scene in general, like being actually what made six
Speaker 1: Cents a great movie? So this well, he was like
Speaker 1: an incredibly gay teacher. But so I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is very few. His name is Paul Selig. He
Speaker 1: actually also was a psychic medium, dramatic writing instructor and
Speaker 1: psychic medium. You can find him online. I recommend you
Speaker 1: look him up. Um he literally speaks to them in
Speaker 1: a tongue. It's it's that. But he was very into
Speaker 1: Tony Collette to and loved that scene, and I was
Speaker 1: very happy that. I was like me, maybe I did
Speaker 1: make the right toys coming here, they're gonna tell me
Speaker 1: this is right that I was attracted to this Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she just I don't know. It was really like it
Speaker 1: was clock Watchers and Murial's wedding were the two that
Speaker 1: really and um, there's just nothing. There's her performance. Murial's
Speaker 1: wedding is so undeniably genius and like it's just so good.
Speaker 1: I named my dog Muriel, you know, Like it was
Speaker 1: like it was an intense I like I made her
Speaker 1: a collage for her birthday that I never sent because
Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, no, but I got so close.
Speaker 1: I was like googling her managers and like, I mean,
Speaker 1: well Altivista her managers, but like it was I like
Speaker 1: made a collage with like pictures of her and like
Speaker 1: paper magazine and then like and quotes of hers, like
Speaker 1: why would anyone want to receive this? It was like
Speaker 1: it was like quotes of Tony's and then and then
Speaker 1: there were fun facts about me. It was like favorite food,
Speaker 1: pasta favorite movie, Clock Watchers, Like I mean it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with her age like ten or eleven
Speaker 1: the sweet Spot because I saw Clock Watchers because of Kudro,
Speaker 1: because I was so obsessed with Michelle, and and then
Speaker 1: I was like and then it really was like I
Speaker 1: really felt a shift when I watched Clock Watchers. I
Speaker 1: really was like, you know, I think you can at
Speaker 1: some point over time, you can you can have like
Speaker 1: a gradual like intellectual awakening where you go from childhood
Speaker 1: to like not everything is good the moment, yeah, or
Speaker 1: you can have like a very like sharp clean moment.
Speaker 1: And I had like a fully clean like I was
Speaker 1: like watching clock Watchers. I was like, why is this
Speaker 1: affecting me so intensely? And I was like scream sobbing
Speaker 1: watching it because it's so dark and it's really it's
Speaker 1: really until and simple, but it is dark. I've never
Speaker 1: seen it. You have to see it. Yeah, that's going
Speaker 1: to top my list from me now. It's really it's
Speaker 1: really beautiful and but anyway, but I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like four friends and their office temps, so they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, horribly mistreated, but they kind of become really
Speaker 1: close friends despite that. But then like they're like, don't
Speaker 1: I won't tell you, but whatever, I'm not gonna tell you.
Speaker 1: Like a it sounds like a nice it's like a
Speaker 1: real or nine to five? Is it very dramatic movie?
Speaker 1: It's quietly dramatic. There's no histrionic, yes exactly, so you
Speaker 1: know it's dark, um dark histrionic. But with those actresses,
Speaker 1: that's great. Yeah, it's it's so it's so good. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I so I think I
Speaker 1: just forever associated Tony and she's the main character. And
Speaker 1: she also kind of like becomes self actualized throughout the
Speaker 1: course of the movie. But she becomes self actualized not
Speaker 1: in some sort of like trophy movie, like she finally
Speaker 1: follows her passion of singing, like she come self actions
Speaker 1: because everything falls apart around her and it just like sucks.
Speaker 1: But she's like, well, this is it, this is life,
Speaker 1: and I just like yeah, So I like I think
Speaker 1: I just felt like I owed Tony like my like
Speaker 1: awakening and like yeah, and yeah, if it gets okay,
Speaker 1: so reverse the situation of just imagine someone sending you
Speaker 1: a collage of you and quotes and your quotes and
Speaker 1: then they list off there is some little guy out
Speaker 1: there that's putting it together. Okay, So then that would
Speaker 1: so you would receive that positively totally, I know. But
Speaker 1: I think I just was like so im embarrassed. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know why was there was there a closet
Speaker 1: I went into that and they definitely and I have
Speaker 1: the webs I made a website for her, and like
Speaker 1: I was so I was like telling my teachers about
Speaker 1: the website. I was telling all my friends and I
Speaker 1: realized I was gay, and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is why. I was like, there's a website. I like,
Speaker 1: I literally like I'm out. Essentially, was that the moment.
Speaker 1: Was there a moment where you visually remember like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gay. Well not because of the website. I just
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm there's like literal proof on the internet.
Speaker 1: This is how far website. It's like there's no hiding
Speaker 1: it now. And that's my own fault. I mean, I
Speaker 1: remember getting asked like when like the first day of
Speaker 1: school type questions like everyone put your favorite food, this, this,
Speaker 1: this favorite actress, favorite whatever, favorite this I it was
Speaker 1: probably two thousand and one. I was like, of course
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put in a Cole Kidman because Mulan Rouge
Speaker 1: and the others and just the versatility, and but everyone
Speaker 1: was like, well, who are you going to put down?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I can't. I knew it was
Speaker 1: wrong to say Nicole. I ended up putting Tara Read,
Speaker 1: and I walked around for quite a while saying Tara
Speaker 1: Reader my favorite actress, and then I remember my Spanish
Speaker 1: teacher turned to me one day. I was like, so, um,
Speaker 1: Tara read like, what's what's this about? And I just
Speaker 1: I just said, oh, I saw her on a website
Speaker 1: and then she was like and I was like you
Speaker 1: I just literally said like the straight thing that I
Speaker 1: thought I was supposed to say, and it was gross.
Speaker 1: I was like, I should just fucking said Nicole Kidman.
Speaker 1: I also used to lie and say I loved Limp Biscuit.
Speaker 1: I was baptized by the bassist in Limp Biscuits father,
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry if you're listening. Yeah, but I kept
Speaker 1: thinking to myself like I was like, thinking, back, did
Speaker 1: anyone actually like likelymp Biscuit? I guess they must have
Speaker 1: people definitely Likelympiscuit. Okay, okay, you're right. I also had
Speaker 1: a babysitter that I thought was cool. It was kind
Speaker 1: of like your sister's friend. Her name was Mickey. Her
Speaker 1: name was Michelle, but everyone called him Mickey, So there
Speaker 1: you go. And she loves Creed and so I bought
Speaker 1: several Creed albums and then I still owned them years
Speaker 1: later when it was like great, when they were like
Speaker 1: a full punchline. Wow, sisters, I'm huge it's huge. Sisters
Speaker 1: are huge, and just friends are huge, especially if they're older,
Speaker 1: older teenage girls who are cool and funny and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a thing and not to like bring
Speaker 1: this into it, but like for for immigrants, like families,
Speaker 1: older sisters who had essentially white friends who like were
Speaker 1: tapped into that because that's that was like the funnel
Speaker 1: for me was like, Okay, this is the source and
Speaker 1: it's all coming down to like this very specific upbringing
Speaker 1: I have, but anyway, um dying to know about that
Speaker 1: I don't. Well, it was just like, um, the first
Speaker 1: time I ever heard about fucking like um like Mandy
Speaker 1: Moore was like through like like it was like white friends,
Speaker 1: white friends, like peripherally white female friends that I could
Speaker 1: only that I could I could only befriend through my
Speaker 1: sister and so that was it. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the paths are all different, you guys. Well the ideal
Speaker 1: it's like my first Alicia Silverstone, it was like I
Speaker 1: need to know everything? Can can someone explain everything? So
Speaker 1: there is that? Yeah, I mean she's that's what I
Speaker 1: wish would would just be everywhere still and what's the
Speaker 1: movie she's going to be in coming up like it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's like a mom diary. Yeah yeah, hell yeah. You
Speaker 1: know there was a movie that came in a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago with her and I think Kristin rittterd
Speaker 1: that Amy Heckerling directed. It was called Vamps and christ
Speaker 1: Johnson's in it. Yes, yes, I didn't see it. No,
Speaker 1: And I was like, I remember hearing that it was
Speaker 1: going to be a thing, and then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that'll be big because Amy Heckerling and Elisia silvastone. That
Speaker 1: will be a big deal that they get back together.
Speaker 1: And then I don't know. I guess whoever just decided
Speaker 1: they weren't gonna just never became a story. And I
Speaker 1: guess it just didn't get enough publicity for people to
Speaker 1: come out and see it. So I feel like it
Speaker 1: didn't even come out. Maybe it didn't. Maybe it went
Speaker 1: straight to home video or straight straight to the web.
Speaker 1: But wherever things go. Now, well, you know what, Alicia's fine,
Speaker 1: Amy sine Alicia Isn't you know what? There's a new
Speaker 1: movie with Anna has in Sandra, Oh yeah, with them
Speaker 1: beating the ship out of each other. Did you see it?
Speaker 1: Have you seen it? Have you seen it? I walked out. Really,
Speaker 1: I was so excited. Yeah, yeah, it seems like it's
Speaker 1: going to be great. It should have been. I love
Speaker 1: those two actresses so much. Come on, it is written
Speaker 1: by an idiot. Like it's just not It's like the
Speaker 1: dialogue was horrendous. I could not believe it. The production
Speaker 1: design like it was it's not just like it's low
Speaker 1: bud yet like I could make it look so much
Speaker 1: better unfolded like it was so I don't know, it
Speaker 1: was very disappointing seeing like extremely good actresses have to
Speaker 1: say such shitty lines and like I was like always
Speaker 1: already I was so down for it to be like
Speaker 1: not great. They just get to do something juicy and
Speaker 1: like beat each other up. I didn't get that far
Speaker 1: because I really had such a bad feeling about it.
Speaker 1: Was it was it was offensive or was just bad
Speaker 1: just bad. It was just bad. It was like it
Speaker 1: was it was like it was very like it was
Speaker 1: like it's like watching a Paul verhoevean thing, but like
Speaker 1: with like less skill. It's like like like a director
Speaker 1: who like and you do you hate each other but
Speaker 1: you love each other, like you could just feel like
Speaker 1: like a man, a straight man, like pitting women against
Speaker 1: each other and and I just it was stupid. Well
Speaker 1: that guy like that, the director, but he's apparently this
Speaker 1: huge dirtbag. Yeah there was yeah, yeah, yeah, an Hash
Speaker 1: and Sandra Oh, and the last time he was on
Speaker 1: the show was plugging some other film where and he
Speaker 1: just got shitfaced and like was belligerent and like trying
Speaker 1: to get in a fight with fucking with fucking Doug.
Speaker 1: And then they and he got kicked out, and so
Speaker 1: they came on again to promote this movie, the three
Speaker 1: of them, and it ended up with the director and
Speaker 1: Anne Hash getting kicked out again because it was such
Speaker 1: and she was just being very um. She was really
Speaker 1: I guess, on edge about the way he had been
Speaker 1: treated last time, and that was kind of clear, and
Speaker 1: she was very defensive from the beginning. I actually listened
Speaker 1: to it and Sandra is kind of sitting there quietly
Speaker 1: the whole time, kind of just behaving and there to
Speaker 1: promote the movie and they had made such a spectacle.
Speaker 1: The director gets kicked out almost immediately, and then a
Speaker 1: Haitia's kind of just being just kind of being a jerk,
Speaker 1: like trying to turn herself on and doing and she's
Speaker 1: trying to do bits and stuff, but like, just she
Speaker 1: fails catastrophically. Meanwhile, Sandrah is charming and great and nice
Speaker 1: and like and they get kicked off and then they're like,
Speaker 1: I'm He's kind of like, so what's up? And she's like, look,
Speaker 1: I just want to talk about the movie. I'm excited
Speaker 1: about the movie. Let's just talk about it. And then
Speaker 1: they had a great interview, just the two of them. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it made me. It made me watch the trailer. I
Speaker 1: hadn't heard about it before. You know what, you gotta
Speaker 1: get out there and you gotta get that trailer on
Speaker 1: people's screens. If it means fighting publicly on podcasts, so
Speaker 1: we should start a fighting we shoulder fight on the
Speaker 1: on the pod to promote wait are you shooting? Search
Speaker 1: party in New York? And I'm coming right back. You're
Speaker 1: coming right back. I set off the off the air
Speaker 1: before we started. John is the Prodigals sone of New
Speaker 1: York show. I'm so excited. Tickets on sale for a Bellhouse.
Speaker 1: Yeah great, because of like today great, get your oh
Speaker 1: as of today, which I don't know what today means
Speaker 1: in podcast world. Well, you know they'll have been on
Speaker 1: sale if you're listening, so get them now from you
Speaker 1: never know what happens. Um. I love the show too.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with Meredith. She's what's her story? Like, she's
Speaker 1: like not a comedic actress before this, I mean like
Speaker 1: what she's yeah know, she's like a proper actress, like
Speaker 1: she is a North Carolina girl. But she did like
Speaker 1: she did soap opera. She moved to New York at
Speaker 1: like nineteen and was like I think maybe as the
Speaker 1: world turns, I'm not sure one of them, but she
Speaker 1: did a soap opera for really long time. She has
Speaker 1: this an amazing story about like she got nominated for
Speaker 1: a daytime atmy and she like she didn't know that
Speaker 1: you could choose your clip like that they show when
Speaker 1: they're announcement. I didn't know that either. So like they're
Speaker 1: doing all the nominees and everyone's is like like super
Speaker 1: like eyes full of tears, like really dramatic scenes, and
Speaker 1: then like it got to hers and she literally was
Speaker 1: just like she's like, mom, I want to have sex.
Speaker 1: And she was like twenty four playing a like seventeen
Speaker 1: year old anyway, but yeah, she's so she's really done,
Speaker 1: Like she she's to like do musicals. I think audition
Speaker 1: for music. She's like a proper like hit the Pavement
Speaker 1: in New York actor girl, and like it's all worked
Speaker 1: out because she really is she. I just can't wait
Speaker 1: for people to cast her in like beautiful romantic comedies.
Speaker 1: She can do so much more, but I just feel
Speaker 1: like she is so magnetic and like Meg Ryan, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she would excel in that. And we need in the media.
Speaker 1: We need Meg. We do need type. If you think
Speaker 1: about it, who is out there that's doing the romantic
Speaker 1: comedies because I missed going to see its romance comedies.
Speaker 1: I love a good solid romo. And then I guess
Speaker 1: there was Katherine Heigel there for a few years, and
Speaker 1: then that for whatever reason, didn't didn't pan out. But
Speaker 1: now there's really didn't pan am and now there's like
Speaker 1: the Sandra Bullock, Sandra Well, yeah, Sandra Bullock, not to
Speaker 1: not too not too long ago, too long ago. I
Speaker 1: think the proposal was long ago. Okay, you know what
Speaker 1: was it like two thousand and six, and no, I
Speaker 1: think I saw it when I was you know, it
Speaker 1: was the same year as Blindside. I think it was
Speaker 1: because she was and this is like I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit of an awards gay. So she was nominated two
Speaker 1: times in a year and a proposal and I think
Speaker 1: the blind Side, and she walked away with the Globe
Speaker 1: for the Best Actress in the Drama one, which also
Speaker 1: now Oscar and Oscar actually, yes, you know, and I
Speaker 1: will bravely say that that was Gabbaret, says Oscar. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: of course you disagree, though I don't have an opinion.
Speaker 1: That was like, that was a pretty boring best actress here.
Speaker 1: That was Carrie Mulligan. Yeah, for an education? What wait?
Speaker 1: Who else? That was Gabbarette? Carrie Mulligan, Santra Bullock, Meryl
Speaker 1: Streep for Julie and Julia I'm asleep, Okay, I know.
Speaker 1: And then there was one more and I can not
Speaker 1: possibly remember who it was. Can we guess it? Okay?
Speaker 1: Imagine if Brett just turned around and knew it, I
Speaker 1: would be like, okay, well, you're my fav Now. We
Speaker 1: were talking about Feudre earlier and I was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't know who had a Hopper was until this is
Speaker 1: the Show's like I knew about Hannah and Luanne and
Speaker 1: Luella Luella Pulla Parsons, and I was like original gossip
Speaker 1: Diva's what drives me nuts is when you say that
Speaker 1: they're allowed to pick their clip, because my least favorite
Speaker 1: thing is when the hip show and they cut to
Speaker 1: the actor and they make this face like, oh God,
Speaker 1: can you believe how awful I am? Jesus, I'm so embarrassed.
Speaker 1: I'm hum I'm really a humble person. But it's worth
Speaker 1: that's at least there than like, yeah, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: listeners can't see that's doing a stoic. Just compute Melissa
Speaker 1: Melissa well Tony. When Tony was nominated, her clip was
Speaker 1: the car scene, but they didn't use any of the dialogue.
Speaker 1: It was just her tearing up. So it is Hayley
Speaker 1: Jolasma talking and she was like and then it cut
Speaker 1: to her and she was with her parents and like
Speaker 1: and she and she was like so embarrassed and and
Speaker 1: and hilariously embarrassed. Who's being funny about it? But that
Speaker 1: year I know that category so well because I was
Speaker 1: her manager that so it was like it was her
Speaker 1: in the sixth sense. Angela and Julie can you fill
Speaker 1: it out? Can you give it? Was there? A? Joan Allen?
Speaker 1: Was she nominated? Was that wrong? Let's let's see if
Speaker 1: it gets there. I'm pretty sure I know. I don't
Speaker 1: think it was John Allen. She may have been nominated
Speaker 1: for the Contender. Wait wait, wait, was the Vanessa Redgrave
Speaker 1: in there? Or lindd Grave? Okay, this is not a
Speaker 1: year I know. I'll give you a couple more. Katherine
Speaker 1: Keener being jumped out of it, which that nomination blows
Speaker 1: my mind in the best way. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: It's it's she's so amazing, Samantha Morton sweet, and finally,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's so incredible. The fifth one was
Speaker 1: always seventy Boys Don't Cry. Okay, wow, that might be
Speaker 1: my favorite category ever. That's Best Supporting. It was Best Actress,
Speaker 1: which is always my best supporting Actresses. Where it's at
Speaker 1: for me, I couldn't give a ship less about Best
Speaker 1: Supporting Actor. One thing about this sl A trip that's
Speaker 1: really like stuck to me. I was over at a
Speaker 1: friend's house and there's just a bunch of fun little
Speaker 1: ship is gays. The thing that they do is they
Speaker 1: whip out the heads up on the phone and they
Speaker 1: have a deck that's just Best Actress and Best Supporting
Speaker 1: Actress winners. And I was just like out of my element.
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, and you know what, I've
Speaker 1: accepted this on this trip and it's a beautiful part
Speaker 1: of my journey. I was like, I'm never going to
Speaker 1: be that. That's that's so fine. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: Oh here in the last station. That's the which honestly,
Speaker 1: like this podcast cares listen, I've been I have the DVD,
Speaker 1: So the last Station, I've never seen it. What's it about?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but I was like I was
Speaker 1: like with an old teacher from Minoia was like at
Speaker 1: her apartment one time and then I was like I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, blast station, and she's like, do you
Speaker 1: want to borrow it? And I literally just like was
Speaker 1: so I cared about her opinion way too much now
Speaker 1: because I absolutely didn't want to borrow. And I've had
Speaker 1: it for now, like eight years. I've never seen I'm
Speaker 1: scrolling through this now just looking at who's one, and
Speaker 1: I guess they ordinarily get it right. I mean it
Speaker 1: was it was Gaberet precious, Gaberete precious. I thought I seen.
Speaker 1: My thing is it comes to Oscars. It's like, did
Speaker 1: you give the performance that no one else could give?
Speaker 1: It's like that's kind of my It's like, did you
Speaker 1: put your individual unique stamp on this and that makes
Speaker 1: it worthy of really raising up and saying everyone should
Speaker 1: see this. And for me, like Gabbaret, I Precious, that
Speaker 1: was like a very special thing. Sandra, you can cast
Speaker 1: a thousand actresses in that part, and that's exactly that,
Speaker 1: because all you really have to be is an actress
Speaker 1: to do it. I mean, I'm not saying that Sandra
Speaker 1: isn't amazing. I think she's fucking amazing. But you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes like I get that it's an industry thing and
Speaker 1: it's a show and it's entertainment. Well also just like politically,
Speaker 1: like give it to Gabby, make a statement and with
Speaker 1: that criterion of just if no one else can, if
Speaker 1: you're the only person who could play this role, and
Speaker 1: that's what you're saying, if you left your individual stamp
Speaker 1: on this role, I would say Gabby too, because who
Speaker 1: else would have played Precious? That? I mean, and I
Speaker 1: just there, well, first of all, there is no one
Speaker 1: that we know and now, and she's actually had a
Speaker 1: good career, She's done lots of great stuff. She's been amazing,
Speaker 1: And the thing is, like I even thought last year,
Speaker 1: like I when they said Emi Stone was going to
Speaker 1: win an Oscar for Land, which they said like eight
Speaker 1: months before, like screened at something festival, and they were like,
Speaker 1: it'll be hard to beat her for the Oscar. In fact,
Speaker 1: I think, yep, the industry has already decided that's the
Speaker 1: way it's going to go. That means you have the
Speaker 1: best publicist. You're paying like eight thousand a month at
Speaker 1: least for a publicist. That's happening. I'm sure that's how
Speaker 1: it works. But then it's just like, you know, months later,
Speaker 1: they're like, by the way, a Net Benning is in
Speaker 1: a movie that's fucking amazing, and it's like, oh, but
Speaker 1: we already decided it's gonna be Emma, so so good
Speaker 1: now yea, And nothing against I actually like I come
Speaker 1: to Emi Stones defense a lot. I thought she was great.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's one of your closest friends. She's definitely
Speaker 1: we're very close. We of course, um we briefly met
Speaker 1: on Stone Street when I was working at a bar
Speaker 1: called Ulysses and she was filming The Amazing Spider Man
Speaker 1: outside on the street and she came into use the
Speaker 1: bathroom and I pointed, are in the direction. Ever since then,
Speaker 1: it's just been a magical carousel. Um No. But I
Speaker 1: thought she was good in the movie, and people came
Speaker 1: for her singing. I was like, yeah, but who can
Speaker 1: sing really? Who can sing? Really? Kendrick? Would you rather
Speaker 1: Anna Kendrick? No? No, The answer is okay, I know
Speaker 1: what my thing is for the end. Okay. No, I
Speaker 1: mean okay, Well, we have that to anticipate and on that.
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Speaker 1: and we're back with John Early. Oh Man, some huge
Speaker 1: news just broke over the break, broke over the break. Um,
Speaker 1: John just got the Rue Paul follow on Twitter. Okay, well, congratulations,
Speaker 1: thank you, first of all, thank you, second of all,
Speaker 1: spilled the t What was he like on set? John
Speaker 1: and John and Rue share a moment on the season's
Speaker 1: animals on HBO tell us everything. Well, um, it's it's
Speaker 1: a live action episode of a typically animated series, and
Speaker 1: it's nivat. Yes, it's very Um. The tone of this
Speaker 1: is very like kind of like Scooby Doo like evil
Speaker 1: scientists like and um and I and so RuPaul plays
Speaker 1: this like evil scientists who's developing this like pill for civilization?
Speaker 1: And I am I am his like assistant, like like
Speaker 1: like nervous gay assistant who also might have some evil
Speaker 1: motivations of his own. I feel like when you talk
Speaker 1: about RuPaul, you always want you want him to be
Speaker 1: like this like person on set giving out stage advice
Speaker 1: and like really talking and was it that or was
Speaker 1: he just like, oh yeah, that's a person like you. No,
Speaker 1: he's one hundred percent the giving the stage of it.
Speaker 1: They're like moments where like over here rubying like I'm
Speaker 1: a medium and when I'm going to train in New
Speaker 1: York City, I pick up people's energy and if someone
Speaker 1: in pain, I feel that pain, you know, and he's
Speaker 1: an EmPATH and uh, but no, but it was I
Speaker 1: was so nervous. I mean, I'm typically very good around
Speaker 1: my heroes, Like I'm good at just kind of being um,
Speaker 1: very transparently a fan of them. Like I think it's
Speaker 1: the better approach to be like, you know, I worship you,
Speaker 1: rather than being like coy and yeah um and and yeah,
Speaker 1: so I I was, but I was very nervous around him,
Speaker 1: and like the first moment of shooting, I immediately, like
Speaker 1: I did on this podcast, I immediately made it about
Speaker 1: weight because I like, there's an issue with my costume
Speaker 1: or something where like the wrong size suit was like
Speaker 1: brought to set or something, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like popping out, and I was like and it
Speaker 1: just made me feel insecure. And then it's like the
Speaker 1: first moment with RuPaul, I was like, oh, I just
Speaker 1: its like vomiting out of me. I was. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm a cow. I was like. I
Speaker 1: was like, you're a lagoon. I was like, you're a
Speaker 1: string bean. And he goes, he goes, he goes, I
Speaker 1: do not need your life story and like a shady
Speaker 1: way or very funny. He was absolutely sensing that I
Speaker 1: was just like talking out of my asks and it
Speaker 1: was so stupid. But and so that was so that
Speaker 1: was so hilarious and then like so then of course
Speaker 1: I was like wildly intimidating, like John, please calm down.
Speaker 1: And then and then you know, on a break or something,
Speaker 1: he was like where you from? And I was like
Speaker 1: Nashville And we started talking about country music. He knows
Speaker 1: like every man drall sister, you know, like he's he's
Speaker 1: so like it throws that reference out all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh so we talked about we talked about country
Speaker 1: and then and then you know, he was like later
Speaker 1: he was like, um now, what's like what's happening John?
Speaker 1: Is it happening for you? Like are you like are
Speaker 1: you auditioning or whatever. And I was I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. Ru Paul I was
Speaker 1: like it's happening. Yeah. Like I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be honest. I was like, I was like, it
Speaker 1: is popping and uh and and he and he loved that.
Speaker 1: He was like that, so that was good. That's that
Speaker 1: was when I kind of broke through. And then you know,
Speaker 1: and then we spent two days together like shooting the
Speaker 1: stuff and and it was very Oh. Then he was
Speaker 1: like at one point, he's like, what's your favorite movie?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, God, like it's just such
Speaker 1: a dream to be talking about movies at all with Paul.
Speaker 1: I was like, and I kind of got in my head.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I don't know, it's like there
Speaker 1: are so many. He's like, I do not need your
Speaker 1: life story. And then he was like and then I
Speaker 1: was like clock Watchers and then he was like cackling
Speaker 1: by the fact that I liked Watchers um, and and
Speaker 1: then we started so I started telling about Tony and
Speaker 1: I did like we started talking about just like I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I I see. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's so funny to me when people talk about their influences.
Speaker 1: Like when I think about like actors talking about their influence,
Speaker 1: it's always like al Pacino, you know, and like but
Speaker 1: it's literally it's like Tony Collette and like about a boy.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, look, meaning, I'm doing moment for
Speaker 1: a moment Tony in certain things, like I can feel
Speaker 1: myself physically like just facially doing Tony, like that's what
Speaker 1: I associate with, like dramatic scenes or something. And because
Speaker 1: she's like all I've really exposed myself to like dramatically
Speaker 1: because everything else is like I'm obsessed with comedians, you know.
Speaker 1: So and he was like, he was, I see Tony
Speaker 1: and what youre do? I see that? And then I
Speaker 1: was like and then he was like, I'm doing purely
Speaker 1: Faye today. And we start talking about you know, and
Speaker 1: we talked about what he's doing on drag Race like
Speaker 1: reference wise and like it was just really fun. And
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, we were talking about like people,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's so fun to like diagnose whose
Speaker 1: people's influences are. He was like, you know what Shair
Speaker 1: is doing And I was like, oh, and he's like Elvis.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's so genius. That's so true. So
Speaker 1: we had we had a lot of fun kind of
Speaker 1: doing like reference lineage together, and then we were talking
Speaker 1: about Fade. I was talking about this interview that with
Speaker 1: Fate Dunaway where she's like on a bad and it's
Speaker 1: like in Ken it's like probably the early eighties ly seventies,
Speaker 1: and she's like she's smoking a cigarette, like a tender interview,
Speaker 1: and she's like she keeps trying to prove that she
Speaker 1: knows French because because the interviewer is French, so she'll
Speaker 1: say things like um, she's like sorry, sorry, can you
Speaker 1: close the door? And like and there's one part where
Speaker 1: she says literally just avec, which is with She's like
Speaker 1: she's like, um, like, I mean, I don't even know
Speaker 1: what the sentences, but she's like I did this one
Speaker 1: movie with um. She literally says with other with yeahah
Speaker 1: yeah with thin. It's so genius. But I was telling
Speaker 1: Rue about that and he was like dying and then
Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, I have to get him
Speaker 1: that link, you know, and then um you know. And
Speaker 1: then and then when it was over, like he was
Speaker 1: walked by when I was leaving, he was like he
Speaker 1: was like John he's like forty ft away. He was like,
Speaker 1: email me at like and we'll get lunch New York City.
Speaker 1: And then and by the way, that email doesn't work.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said that, but because I did, I
Speaker 1: went and I sent the email last I said the email,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I should weep it out, thank you.
Speaker 1: But I emailed the email with the fadaway LINKO. Such
Speaker 1: a dream working with you, like true hero and you know,
Speaker 1: and and then immediately bounced back. But I do I
Speaker 1: don't think it was intentional. Obviously, I think he I
Speaker 1: think he was being very generous and very Sweden. But
Speaker 1: but it is funny. I just don't know the proper email. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: but no, you really just connected with him though, despite whatever,
Speaker 1: despite that email situation. Oh my god, that's I love
Speaker 1: hearing that he's a great guy because I feel like
Speaker 1: so often now as as you know friends and like
Speaker 1: you know, you just get to know people in the
Speaker 1: industry more, it's so often so disappointing, and for someone
Speaker 1: like RuPaul that would be really crushing. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be too much. He was so he's very powerful,
Speaker 1: like like and he also he was on like a
Speaker 1: a set with like a lot of like people were
Speaker 1: really being respectful of him, and like they knew that
Speaker 1: this was like a big day that they were going
Speaker 1: to work with Paul, you know, but it still was
Speaker 1: like it's a pretty straight show, Like it's like a
Speaker 1: comedy like hetero show. So there was something interesting about
Speaker 1: like RuPaul in that environment, like where I was like
Speaker 1: do people fully understand like how special this is because
Speaker 1: you know so many people I don't think people always
Speaker 1: refer if people think like gay culture is low culture,
Speaker 1: and so it's like it's it's like this is a
Speaker 1: person that's entirely an icon in a real way, like
Speaker 1: you're an icon, like the like the way the way
Speaker 1: you throw it around, Like that's he's the real legend
Speaker 1: yea and very intelligent and like has through just like
Speaker 1: decades of being a public figure, has a kind of
Speaker 1: developed a philosophy you know that it's like very helpful
Speaker 1: to people. Yeah, anyway, but it was it was interesting.
Speaker 1: He's very powerful and intimidating, but like he's also very
Speaker 1: like he was extremely curious and like we just talked
Speaker 1: a lot, Like it was so nice that he was
Speaker 1: like willing to in like the downtime, like the fact
Speaker 1: that he was like just totally down to like dissect
Speaker 1: faten away. You know, it's like it's so on the nose.
Speaker 1: But it was so fun. But also, like I forgot
Speaker 1: to tell you this. The when we would have like
Speaker 1: long breaks and we'd go back into holding, he had
Speaker 1: his own We were like shooting in this weird like
Speaker 1: space like a studio where like they do like procedurals,
Speaker 1: and I was like, we're holding was in a fake
Speaker 1: courtroom and he had his own like his own little
Speaker 1: dressing room that was like a judge's office or something.
Speaker 1: And he but because it's a studio, there's no ceiling,
Speaker 1: so you can hear everything like that's going on in
Speaker 1: the other rooms. And on every single break he watches
Speaker 1: the Golden Girls. That is perfect. Yeah, well and end
Speaker 1: I've heard anecdotes about it being Judge Judy on on
Speaker 1: some days, being Golden Girls on other days. And now
Speaker 1: I think he's on this dirty rock kick. Oh that's
Speaker 1: what I'm on talking about talking about NonStop or you're
Speaker 1: just watching I'm I'm it's so deeply comforted. It's my
Speaker 1: go to. It's so good. I mean, I remember you
Speaker 1: posted Reliable, Remember you posted like a few months ago,
Speaker 1: just from the pilot episode when Jane just but just singing, yeah,
Speaker 1: my judge VP, I don't watch Veep. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: gotta do it. I are you up on this season
Speaker 1: of drag Race? No, I have watched the season. Well,
Speaker 1: speaking of drag Race and speaking of row Um, we've
Speaker 1: like it's been well documented on this podcast, like what
Speaker 1: are like what room means to us? Like this is
Speaker 1: sort of a broad question, but like just what is
Speaker 1: rooming to you? Like with your I guess like upbring
Speaker 1: just because like we've talked a lot about ruse philosophies
Speaker 1: remaining consistent over years you can really release you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, for example, like and stuff that
Speaker 1: I do. I feel like this is bizarre, but a
Speaker 1: lot of people agree with me about this. It's like
Speaker 1: they kind of like don't give a funk, like truly
Speaker 1: don't take your life too seriously. There's something about when
Speaker 1: RuPaul said it and just all these mantras that I
Speaker 1: was given. It's this is like insane, But we talked
Speaker 1: about this in Nicole Sufferberg. It's the closest I've felt
Speaker 1: to ever like feeling like I had like not a religion,
Speaker 1: but something to go by, whereas like there are things
Speaker 1: I can say and like remember that remember when you
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning, like like be a light
Speaker 1: and he says all the time, So like yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I feel like and he that can really set
Speaker 1: you free in your work too, like in the way
Speaker 1: you're performing the way right, do you feel like? I
Speaker 1: guess the question is do you feel that way about RuPaul?
Speaker 1: Like has RuPaul like guided you in some way? Yeah?
Speaker 1: In some ways? Like I mean, well, when I was little,
Speaker 1: I was so one of to go back to the
Speaker 1: literal very first question of the podcast, like the Brady
Speaker 1: Bunch was so important and and him his seen as
Speaker 1: Miss Cummings the therapist and with Jan was like so monumental,
Speaker 1: and I was like, something is happening here that's like
Speaker 1: very deeply smart and like satirical, but there's also a
Speaker 1: real sweetness to it, because it's like the way that
Speaker 1: that movie position Jan as like a gay icon, and
Speaker 1: she is like the heart of that movie. She's like
Speaker 1: like the climax of the movie is her running away
Speaker 1: and there the whole family like going to get her
Speaker 1: and like and there's all that stuff, but it's the
Speaker 1: New jam Brady and her putting on like the Afro
Speaker 1: way and then like on the streets of l A,
Speaker 1: Like it's just I don't know that was that was.
Speaker 1: And there's something about RuPaul being the guidance Counselor that
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just so like divinely placed. It's
Speaker 1: like it's very special and sweet. And so I was
Speaker 1: always in love with that scene and always like transfixed
Speaker 1: about RuPaul was obsessed with you know, supermodel and whatever.
Speaker 1: Um and then and I loved her VH one talk show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just such a nice moment in the sequel
Speaker 1: of Brady Budge too, when they run into her at
Speaker 1: the pool and her two daughters are theresha just that
Speaker 1: she had daughters, Like, it's so great also for RuPaul
Speaker 1: to be the guidance counselor and now she truly is
Speaker 1: the guidance counselor and like mother so many people Um.
Speaker 1: John mentioned, uh, just over the break that you guys
Speaker 1: shot that for the Animal for Animals two days before
Speaker 1: the election, so then you just blocked that out for me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just literally disappeared. And then in the past couple
Speaker 1: of weeks when I was like, oh, it's coming out.
Speaker 1: It's like that was very special. It was a nice
Speaker 1: couple of days. Um, but yeah, when we felt so confident. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just thank me for you said something before that that
Speaker 1: actually I didn't realize about myself too. But when people
Speaker 1: ask about comedic influences, I can very rarely really articulate
Speaker 1: what they are. But I can name like dramatic influence.
Speaker 1: Says that affected me comedically, Like that's very much a
Speaker 1: thing I think maybe for a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of gays. Yeah, totally, that's just that's very real and
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that. But when you can pull from
Speaker 1: Tony and like your comedy, absolutely, But when you say
Speaker 1: that you can't name a specific comedic influence, is that
Speaker 1: because it's like it just maybe honestly, maybe it's a
Speaker 1: thing of being truly because when I was having them,
Speaker 1: when I was in high school, I was so aware
Speaker 1: that they were gay and needed to keep them a secret.
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't just say like, oh, Sandra Bernhard and
Speaker 1: all her albums, you know what I mean. That wasn't
Speaker 1: something I could just toss out. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: that everyone's saying the Simpsons, Okay, cool, the Simpsons I
Speaker 1: never watched The Simpsons. I recently saw Sandra Bernhard on
Speaker 1: it on the subway, and I had the moment where
Speaker 1: I was like, am I gonna tell her what she
Speaker 1: means to me? I was like, she doesn't want to
Speaker 1: be bothered. I don't think it's it's hard to do it.
Speaker 1: I didn't because maybe if it was a situation where
Speaker 1: I was working with them, um, I would tell people
Speaker 1: what they meant to me or something, and UM no,
Speaker 1: that's that's fair. Yeah, And the thing is like, but
Speaker 1: also I did something with Jerry Seinfeld years ago and
Speaker 1: it was more about like, remember it was comedians and
Speaker 1: cars getting coffee. I was on one of Tiny I
Speaker 1: was on two episodes of it, and I was playing
Speaker 1: with this is It was so insane. It was Jerry
Speaker 1: and Creamer. It was Michael Richards and Jerry Seine and
Speaker 1: I was like playing the assistant and I was like
Speaker 1: watching them go back and forth and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: right here is like something else. And then at the
Speaker 1: end it just kind of came out of my mouth.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, my parents will kill me
Speaker 1: if I don't get a picture. And I didn't mean
Speaker 1: to say, but that's genuinely what it is. That was
Speaker 1: like remember being five years old and like listening to
Speaker 1: like from the next room, like hearing my parents laugh
Speaker 1: at that and whenever. And then really I had I
Speaker 1: didn't work with I was very intimidated by him, I
Speaker 1: think because he felt like another generation. And then I
Speaker 1: did a very short thing with Lena Dunham and it
Speaker 1: was like very a casual and I was like, see this.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because she was closer to my age. But
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like the need of like I need
Speaker 1: to be very nervous or anything like that. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: just getting older. Jerry didn't shake your hand. He didn't
Speaker 1: shake my hand. Yeah, did you? I was out fully.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, he actually cast me. So he
Speaker 1: was in the casting room and then he offered his hand. No,
Speaker 1: I offered my hand. I was like, thank you so much,
Speaker 1: and he was like, I don't really, I'm a little
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm sick. It was just as if
Speaker 1: he was making an excuse, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's fine, Like this is my writing partner. Went to
Speaker 1: shake his hand, same, I don't. I was like, really,
Speaker 1: neither of you going to shake my hands. I was
Speaker 1: like okay. It just it just felt like, okay, cool, great,
Speaker 1: these people don't shake hands. And then with Lena Dunham,
Speaker 1: it's like a hug and she's like, I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not, but like you know you're not.
Speaker 1: But it's speaking of you guys. Girls came to an
Speaker 1: end last night. We ran into John at a bar
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, and then John was like,
Speaker 1: what's the theme for the appen and then I just
Speaker 1: I just girls, girls, and then you just laughed. You're like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Girls though fun. It was. I didn't
Speaker 1: watch it. It was it was good. It was it
Speaker 1: was very I mean, I actually was pretty satisfied with
Speaker 1: the way that it ended. But I'm gonna love it
Speaker 1: anyway because I also know that a large part of
Speaker 1: it is like it's not going to satisfy everything. It's
Speaker 1: like with the end of every show, not every finale
Speaker 1: is going to be a big little eyes people universally perfect.
Speaker 1: I know. It's amazing how they did that. They really
Speaker 1: pulled it off. It's so satisfying. Were you loving it
Speaker 1: the whole time or whole Yeah, from the second start
Speaker 1: they were there were I mean, I was completely on board.
Speaker 1: There were things that like major red flags that like
Speaker 1: if they weren't within something that was so great, I
Speaker 1: would probably be upset about what do you think of
Speaker 1: the Greek chorus, like the like, well, that's exactly it.
Speaker 1: Like that's something that like I should have been so
Speaker 1: annoyed by, like Madeline, let's just say she didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: like but that, but I didn't care, Like I was
Speaker 1: totally on board for that. And then like like the
Speaker 1: lip sinking is absolutely unforgivable. It's not it's a horrible choice.
Speaker 1: I'm it's a horrible choice. And Zoe Kravitz should not
Speaker 1: have sung that well or like as comfortable. It's like
Speaker 1: it would have been so much interesting if all three
Speaker 1: of them who are saying actually did it, I mean
Speaker 1: Zoe did it, the men did not. But if they
Speaker 1: had actually done I'm not saying this was their choice,
Speaker 1: by the way, because I know Adam Scott's listening. He's
Speaker 1: obsessed with me. But like, but those people, like the
Speaker 1: fact that they who were the people they hired to
Speaker 1: sing for the men, because that was humiliating an HBO
Speaker 1: should be a changed of themselves. It was weird. Also,
Speaker 1: like it's I did read the novel and it's a
Speaker 1: full departure from the novel they called it trivia and
Speaker 1: in the show all year, and the fact that then
Speaker 1: they were all working on their elvis impressions and we're
Speaker 1: going to perform, I was like, is this a joke
Speaker 1: that the show is making it? Really? And but in
Speaker 1: the book they literally do a trivia night, oh with
Speaker 1: trivia with trivia, and they talk about how, you know,
Speaker 1: we should Jane's really good at trivia, We're lucky she's
Speaker 1: on our team. And Perry apparently is good in trivia
Speaker 1: in the book. But then in the show they call
Speaker 1: it Trivia Night all all series. And then there's like
Speaker 1: these weird performances which do not happen in the book
Speaker 1: and don't need to happen in the show, which makes
Speaker 1: me think was it a thing where it was just
Speaker 1: specifically to showcase soe Kravitz singing interesting. I mean, I
Speaker 1: liked the idea of like seeing parents out of their
Speaker 1: comfort zones performing, but like that, then the second they
Speaker 1: started singing, they completely abandoned that because their voices were
Speaker 1: like uniformly beautiful, and we're like the voices of someone
Speaker 1: who's been singing on the road for thirty five years,
Speaker 1: Like what like you could have had? You could have
Speaker 1: either had Adam Scott and what's his face? Who cares? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I love Adam, but that an other guys
Speaker 1: slow down? He talked so fast every scene. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's saying. Oh wow, I didn't
Speaker 1: even fat. Also might be an accent thing. I think
Speaker 1: he might not be in an American Were you have
Speaker 1: a problem with honey and were you hearing Nicole's Australian accent?
Speaker 1: Because yeah, but you always do a little bit. Okay,
Speaker 1: she doesn't. I'd rather do I'd rather she also had
Speaker 1: slipp during those dramatic things, and especially in the car
Speaker 1: scene and finale. I'd rather have what Nicole has than
Speaker 1: what Kate Winslet does, which is I'm American, right, I'm
Speaker 1: speaking in this way? Are ours and revolutionary? Wrote? It was?
Speaker 1: It was very it was very over the top, but yeah, Nicole,
Speaker 1: I could kind of hear the lilt, and I think
Speaker 1: when people were like, oh yeah, the therapy scenes are
Speaker 1: so relatable. My Australian accent always slips out when I'm
Speaker 1: in therapy. I literally know what tweet Hi Joel, Well
Speaker 1: it wasn't Joel, it was Joe Castle Baker. But Joe
Speaker 1: probably did tweet about that. But I meant in my head,
Speaker 1: I meant Joe, And yeah, honestly, yes, I did like
Speaker 1: that tweet. It was. It was a good one. It
Speaker 1: was a good one. But I, in my like gay
Speaker 1: impulse of like my eleven year old who feels like
Speaker 1: he can't say Nicole Kim and Mulan Rouge, was like,
Speaker 1: what the fund are you talking about? She's perfect? But
Speaker 1: not at all. I stayed clear away from that one.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, what am I gonna do? Like
Speaker 1: Defendicle Kiman's honor on Phase Destroy your Friendship? Has been
Speaker 1: some annoying call out posts, haven't they of of late? Oh? Sure, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: some New York specific stuff. You don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about it, John, Yeah, things are different from me here
Speaker 1: in the garbage. I mean, there's there's a lot more sunlight,
Speaker 1: there's a lot more happiness than her, a lot more interest,
Speaker 1: more interest and exercise. Can I just say that my
Speaker 1: favorite to me, the single funny is performance in Big
Speaker 1: Little Eyes was the therapist Robert Wiger because her, just
Speaker 1: like her absolute stillness. Yeah, Like the more than steaks rose,
Speaker 1: the more she was like elongated spine and like her
Speaker 1: head was like slightly turned and like it was like
Speaker 1: when she was like I wish your listeners could see
Speaker 1: me because you are doing It's like it's just she's
Speaker 1: like just find a place and like it's it's so funny,
Speaker 1: and it's like and you can see her morning of
Speaker 1: you can see her like with her husband being like
Speaker 1: it's Nicol to day. It's a Nicol day. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: she played a fucking uh statue in Angels in America
Speaker 1: and she was Calamity Jay and in Deadwood. All right,
Speaker 1: I saw well I went to her website. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's like it was designed by someone
Speaker 1: who went to like No Sea College of Art and
Speaker 1: Tennessee strange reference. But it's like it's like so it's tough.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, but it's yeah, it's just someone who's just
Speaker 1: like it's not her fault. It's just like the time
Speaker 1: of her being like, oh I should a manager is
Speaker 1: probably you should get a website, and it's like it's
Speaker 1: so funny. It's been left untouched since. Yeah, it's been
Speaker 1: untouched since like probably two thousand and eight. Her biggest
Speaker 1: credit is her like two episodes unlost. Was she unlost?
Speaker 1: She was? She's really like an actor's actor, Yeah she was.
Speaker 1: She's like a Sarah Paulson before Sarah Paulson became Sarah Paulson.
Speaker 1: She's going to get more work now for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She's amazing. And that's all. The casting on the show
Speaker 1: was pretty great besides you know, yeah, I agree with you, Nathan,
Speaker 1: who cares, but but also kind of genius to like
Speaker 1: not care about the men, to like to make the
Speaker 1: men just like less interesting, And whether that be through
Speaker 1: the writing, through this or the casting, it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it was absolutely just about like relishing in those women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was so good. I love that. Laura Dern for
Speaker 1: for the win, forever for the win. I was on board.
Speaker 1: I think the second Reese where this one started limping,
Speaker 1: it really didn't matter what else happened. I was like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is it for me. She could be
Speaker 1: at anything and I'd be she was so great. She
Speaker 1: was so great, so great. John, what's next? Baby? What
Speaker 1: are you get going on? Um? What do I have? Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go shoot some search party. I got some
Speaker 1: real fund stuff to do. I just heard about them.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I literally was like, I'm missing the
Speaker 1: table read Why no, no, it's tomorrow. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, um wow, no, I
Speaker 1: would see tap one of five apps? Great? But um yeah,
Speaker 1: Kate and I are working on a on a show
Speaker 1: together and I'm so excited about and I hope the
Speaker 1: world gets to see it. And it's just something that
Speaker 1: you're working on now, yes, okay, we're like we've written something.
Speaker 1: We're hoping we get to make it. So I really hope,
Speaker 1: I really hope it's I've never met her. I think
Speaker 1: she's so amazing. She's a star. She's a full star.
Speaker 1: Like I watched her in that show and I'm like
Speaker 1: the Academy Award. I know she's an Academy Award. The
Speaker 1: banana videos. Oh my god. How have we gone this
Speaker 1: long without saying I haven't talked about it? Should you
Speaker 1: should be so proud of you. D p all those, honey,
Speaker 1: I shoot them, honey, we can see them together. But
Speaker 1: it rests on her performance. Of course, I would retire
Speaker 1: on them. Okay, that would be from me. The cap
Speaker 1: in the gown. Can we ask this, like, how did
Speaker 1: the premises are? Do those organically? Well, it very organically
Speaker 1: happened because we were in the Vancouver Airport, so stoned.
Speaker 1: We were on tour together and we were like and
Speaker 1: she she had a banana, and she just like she
Speaker 1: always we have a joke that we always do together
Speaker 1: where we just like we'll be talking and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh sorry, and we'll just take a fake call. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like a good way, like if someone's talking
Speaker 1: about something that's like very sincere, it's just funny for
Speaker 1: us to be like so. And then we always like
Speaker 1: pretended to the other person's manager and always we're like
Speaker 1: we're like, yeah, I'm with her right now, and I'm
Speaker 1: like I'm like, oh god, okay, I'll tell her. And
Speaker 1: then she's like what is I'm like, I can't get
Speaker 1: into it. It's like it's like our favorite thing to do.
Speaker 1: And so she started doing that with the banana, and
Speaker 1: I was like I was laughing so hard and then
Speaker 1: you know, and so I just started like but people
Speaker 1: in the line, we're laughing. It was very sweet. And
Speaker 1: then and then we were I just shot her doing
Speaker 1: the one of like We're the first one where she's
Speaker 1: just kind of like you just said I love you,
Speaker 1: and it was just it was killing me. It was
Speaker 1: so funny. And then once we did that one, we
Speaker 1: were like, we should do we should just like follow
Speaker 1: the relationship. And the second one was the was the
Speaker 1: rose rose flowers and she just had she had those
Speaker 1: roses in the apart where she was staying and so
Speaker 1: like we'll use these and then and then it was
Speaker 1: more just about like trying. Once we did those were like,
Speaker 1: it's always just about doing that kind of like smalling
Speaker 1: and it's like like like rom calm, yeah, like dramedy,
Speaker 1: like rom drum, like yeail you guys, nail it. I
Speaker 1: think my favorite moments of five five five are in
Speaker 1: a series of amazing moments. It's definitely you guys on
Speaker 1: the bed as the sectors. I think that's so much
Speaker 1: you getting the number wrong is it's pretty perfect. You
Speaker 1: don't get better than that. And also the scene where
Speaker 1: Kristin Johnson's like, yeah, just put it wherever the fuck
Speaker 1: you watch. I feel like I hear someone start to
Speaker 1: laugh in the back. We were laughing so much. I
Speaker 1: can't imagine being on set with her and especially doing
Speaker 1: that scene that you guys do where she gets on
Speaker 1: the floor in front of you guys watch five five.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: fucking ruin the whole thing. Please please watch ship, figure
Speaker 1: out episodes and then you know what, catch some acting
Speaker 1: reels while you're there. I actually have a great thing
Speaker 1: to show you, guys. Well not well, actually there's nowhere
Speaker 1: you're gonna find this because I don't know what it's called.
Speaker 1: But I'll figure out a way and then maybe you
Speaker 1: can tack it onto the episode. There's a real company
Speaker 1: r e L. There are real companies, I'm sure plural,
Speaker 1: but I found one on YouTube and it is a
Speaker 1: treasure trove where it's a real service where you they
Speaker 1: like provide the kind of generic scenes like a courtroom scene,
Speaker 1: like a quirky friends scene, a romantic scene, and they
Speaker 1: shoot like, we found it because Kate, now we're watching
Speaker 1: this girl that we know, we're watching her reel because
Speaker 1: you know, late whatever, and and we were like what
Speaker 1: it was like so eerie, We couldn't figure out why,
Speaker 1: were like what the hell is and like and then
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, they've they literally haven't cut away
Speaker 1: from her. It's not cutting between two people. It's just
Speaker 1: one shot and there's like a shoulder in the frame
Speaker 1: to be like the other person. But it's like, it's
Speaker 1: clearly it's either a literal dummy or it's like an
Speaker 1: intern who's like yeah, We're like, it's clearly not an
Speaker 1: accurate Something just felt false about it. And then we
Speaker 1: realized every scene was that, like, there was never cutting
Speaker 1: to the other person. And then we looked at the
Speaker 1: the YouTube account that was making it and it was like,
Speaker 1: all these generic reels is the funniest in the world
Speaker 1: and it's on YouTube. Good. I think that's a new word.
Speaker 1: Warm hole. We can stembal on a couple. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: just we'll just do a wide net search of real
Speaker 1: coming and then we'll just shoot them over. You're right
Speaker 1: to confirm. Okay, Oh my god. M So, now this
Speaker 1: is it. This is where we've gone to the it's
Speaker 1: the moment. This is I don't think so, honey. We
Speaker 1: take one minute to rail against something in culture that's
Speaker 1: bothering us. Um. Matt John is alluded to his John
Speaker 1: is alluded to his previously, Matt, do you have anything.
Speaker 1: I don't have anything. You know I have one. Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: I have one. All right, let's like, let's get one minute. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honey. One
Speaker 1: minute on the clock. Time starts now. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey cloth napkins at restaurants. I want a paper napkin.
Speaker 1: You don't know what I need. I might have to
Speaker 1: blow my nose and I don't feel comfortable blowing my
Speaker 1: nose in a cloth napkin. You want to know why,
Speaker 1: because I guess you're gonna reuse it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: would imagine if you're paying the money. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey. What you know what, take the money, put
Speaker 1: him into something else, get better quality food. How about that?
Speaker 1: I want paper. I don't think so honey cloth. Also,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm sorry, bougie, just like, just dress
Speaker 1: it down, bring it back, bring it back to basics.
Speaker 1: You know what if you give me a cloth napkin
Speaker 1: and the just it's a plastic table, there's a disconnect there.
Speaker 1: I work in a restaurant. I'm industry, so I feel
Speaker 1: like I can give you this advice. Make it work,
Speaker 1: make everything match. If you're gonna charge me for a
Speaker 1: King crab leg I don't want to eat it on
Speaker 1: a paper plate. And then don't tell me this is
Speaker 1: casual fine dining, this is it's it's adver So I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I've had allergies while I've been here.
Speaker 1: The restaurants went the cloth napkins, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: what to do. I had to go in the bathroom
Speaker 1: for toilet paper. I don't think so. And that's one minute.
Speaker 1: Wow missive against the restaurant industry. Wow. Um, I agree,
Speaker 1: And that to me is culture because I've been very
Speaker 1: involved in the restaurant industry for about ten years, and
Speaker 1: you know what best practices. We're trying to get out.
Speaker 1: We're trying to. We're trying to get out very badly,
Speaker 1: but we're trying to. It's around the corner. We have
Speaker 1: our toes dipped into the tour guide industry. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: called the Ride. It's in New York. Okay, you've probably
Speaker 1: seen it. It's like a big sideways busy. So it
Speaker 1: was originated by Darcy Carden and Timothy Done. Yes. Um,
Speaker 1: and it's just evolved into this great thing now. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like they get a lot of UCB people
Speaker 1: to do it. It's like, yeah, they put two comedians
Speaker 1: on a bus and call of tour guides and they're like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: enough about the city that when you've lie by you
Speaker 1: can say like when when it was built or like
Speaker 1: some dates about and then just make a bunch of
Speaker 1: like jokes about it. And now I'm thinking, because I'm
Speaker 1: starting to get the point where I can't really do
Speaker 1: the waiting tables thing anymore. The other day, a woman
Speaker 1: has some quirk in her wine and she's like, I
Speaker 1: have some quirk amount wine and I was like, does
Speaker 1: it matter? And she was like, yes, I should have
Speaker 1: been fired. But hanging on um. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: I've now heard that the tour guide stuff, it's actually
Speaker 1: not that hard and it's pretty easy to get a
Speaker 1: license and you make great tips. So so we'll say,
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have to come to that, but you know,
Speaker 1: and then hopefully someone videotapes you on the tour exactly,
Speaker 1: you get a series, someone else you should ep tour
Speaker 1: guide series. I'd be honestly, I would be honored to
Speaker 1: put my name on it. I just know time wise,
Speaker 1: for me, it's not gonna really work. I can't kind
Speaker 1: of get my hands dirty in the way that exactly
Speaker 1: actually like within a creative process. But literally my name
Speaker 1: is which is really what matters. Right by the way, guys,
Speaker 1: it will have aired by now, but last week you'll
Speaker 1: have seen me on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Wow,
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. Oh serious, Yeah, it's gonna well,
Speaker 1: it's airing on. You know what, It's not bad five case,
Speaker 1: a few dinners recommended by me here there you know,
Speaker 1: five ks us hitting up Connie and Ted's again. There
Speaker 1: you go. I get that sea. You did it on
Speaker 1: a seafood place. Move on, can do taste change? Do
Speaker 1: taste taste Sushika Sushi Park is gonna be expensive one Okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to Sushi Park. You got to get
Speaker 1: a reservation. You're gonna docai. Do you know what that means?
Speaker 1: I just learned too, Sweetie talk to me when the
Speaker 1: chef just makes whatever is fresh. And I had to
Speaker 1: say I said no raw shellfish because I literally just spiritual.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, freaks me out. You might be
Speaker 1: fine with that. I'm good with it. Yeah. So, but like,
Speaker 1: but it was the best sushi I've ever had, hands down,
Speaker 1: And it's just and they and they know it's just
Speaker 1: so nice. Wow, wow, we're making Where's that? And where's chin?
Speaker 1: Your taste? Monterey Park is in and um sushi parks
Speaker 1: in West Hollywood. Fun, fun fun. We'll go, but you're
Speaker 1: not gonna where. I'm gonna leave with the list. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yes, yes, yes, absolutely, I can't talk. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I'll go. Time for you, Okay, I think
Speaker 1: I have something. Yes, I'm good, all right, this is
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, end time starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. Talkative lift drivers here. One guy
Speaker 1: yesterday was just like the browiest Broun was trying to
Speaker 1: talk to me about baseball and the Dodgers, and I
Speaker 1: was like, sir, I I'm so sorry, I'm listening to
Speaker 1: this new song. Please leave me be. But he kept
Speaker 1: pushing yah yah siel puig onto me, you guys pueek,
Speaker 1: And I knew, Now I know shit about this person,
Speaker 1: and I don't want. I don't. I don't have the
Speaker 1: real estate in my brain to know anything about. Yes, yelp,
Speaker 1: he's the hot head of the Dodgers. About how he
Speaker 1: had a promising start when he was first picked and
Speaker 1: but now he you know, he's batting what like, he's
Speaker 1: batting seventy something. I don't know baseball. I don't know
Speaker 1: what these stats. I mean, I don't know what these
Speaker 1: metrics are. I don't think so, honey, do not push
Speaker 1: this hetero narrative onto my trip here. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Lift drivers who man, and I had to become a
Speaker 1: terrifying lift driver around right here. She was swerving and
Speaker 1: twirling and and just trying to plug her Stacy Renee,
Speaker 1: her her Airbnb substitute business. I don't think, so, honey,
Speaker 1: talkative lift drivers. And that's what's one listen coming soon
Speaker 1: to you in l A with Stacy Renee. She has
Speaker 1: got a name for it. It's gonna be um. Not
Speaker 1: only is it going to be an airb it's going
Speaker 1: to be a destination. She's gonna hang out with you
Speaker 1: the whole time, set up dinner, she'll serve you. She'll
Speaker 1: have activities for the kids back at the airbnb. She'll
Speaker 1: have jump ropes, she'll have um kiddie pool. She has
Speaker 1: it all planned out, but logistically not feasible. And she
Speaker 1: detailed all this as she was driving us wildly. I
Speaker 1: was like, this is crazy. It was. That's the thing
Speaker 1: about l A two is like you take a lot
Speaker 1: of lifts and you get who you get. You get
Speaker 1: who you get Today the guy goes, he goes, um,
Speaker 1: he's putting on the navigation, and it was it was
Speaker 1: like not agreeing with him, and he goes just like
Speaker 1: all women, right, she doesn't listen, and Bone just goes Okay.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, what you did, you had you had
Speaker 1: likely and he was always proud and then he goes yeah.
Speaker 1: He immediately goes sorry, Yeah, so they're learning. Um, John,
Speaker 1: this is your moment. I can't wait for I can't
Speaker 1: wait for this. Oh my god, you don't have to lose.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be what you I think he
Speaker 1: has to. I think it's okay. It's written in bloods
Speaker 1: So we have the time in front of John. This
Speaker 1: is John Earl's I don't think so, honey, time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so Anna listen. And this is why
Speaker 1: I am by the way, as you know, RuPaul, just
Speaker 1: like it's like the Twitter. The Twitter cloud has increased
Speaker 1: so heavily in the past two years. I know that
Speaker 1: I am risking a lot by talking about this okay,
Speaker 1: but to me, it's worth it. You named your memoir
Speaker 1: scrappy little nobody, scrappy little noblement. No, no, no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just I just don't know. I don't know really
Speaker 1: what else to say. But that's absolutely inexcusable. It's not okay,
Speaker 1: it's it's not okay. I don't You're not a scrap
Speaker 1: little nobody. If you're like, if your quote is like
Speaker 1: three million for a movie, you're not a scrap little nobody.
Speaker 1: If you have a house in the Hollywood Hills like
Speaker 1: I just and you're not a scrap little nobody if
Speaker 1: you have an engine singing voice, like I don't. Like
Speaker 1: that's no. I'm sorry I didn't say. But listen and listen,
Speaker 1: by the way, come at me, like defend yourself, like
Speaker 1: I know you're a longtime listener, but like I don't know, now, listen,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, No, Cinderella is a scrappy little nobody. Well,
Speaker 1: well I guess Cinderella is a scrappy little nobody. And
Speaker 1: who then, but you know, you get she was in
Speaker 1: the Stage Door movie, right or not? That like they can't,
Speaker 1: I can't, That's what I was. Sorry, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: no Oscar nominee is a scrappy little note, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. That was it wasn't I don't know whatever.
Speaker 1: You know what it was. It was, it was measured,
Speaker 1: and it was it was correct, correct, and that's the
Speaker 1: most important. I guess I'm just scrap. You should name
Speaker 1: your autobiography that just because Jess jessaus and just get
Speaker 1: the season. Desist but ignore it. Some one time a
Speaker 1: guy said to me, He's like, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: understand why we're giving Liam Michelle any parts when we
Speaker 1: have Anna Kendrick. I was like, first of all, that's there. So,
Speaker 1: by the way, I have zero opinion of her work.
Speaker 1: I actually don't know her as an actress. I just
Speaker 1: saw the book in an airport and I was like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? Yeah, I think she's good.
Speaker 1: I mean, I certainly liked Into the Woods. I liked
Speaker 1: it very much. I think the pitch perfect. I think
Speaker 1: pitch perfect is like the second one is fully It's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Josh full trash, a lot of
Speaker 1: racism in them, oh god, lots of immigration jokes, which
Speaker 1: is what everybody loves. Wilson loves a racist joke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know mainstream. I don't know if it's her in
Speaker 1: the movie doing it, but I mean yeah, but it's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not her, No it is her. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It's just it's all racist. Now. Oh John, John is
Speaker 1: gonna gonna ryll that a stop. I can't wait. Rebel
Speaker 1: Wilson call us, come on defend um. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you guys, this has been a great episode. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, John Early, Bellhouse June. It's true. Get those texts,
Speaker 1: Jack lanvac Pam opening. Oh my god, um. I love
Speaker 1: you guys. Thank you for having me. Thank you. It's
Speaker 1: great to see you in this natural l a light.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Know, now that I've been here, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's okay. Literally, let me curate your restaurant experience and
Speaker 1: then you're going to be so I can't wait for
Speaker 1: this and I will frame it toney. Guys, thanks for
Speaker 1: listening to Lost Cultures. Just that's Matt Rogers whereas I was,
Speaker 1: of course John Early, whereas bye. This has been a
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