Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Ryan Warmley, joined on this Thursday morning. It'll be released
Speaker 1: on Friday by Pat Fitzmorris and Derek Brown fell Us.
Speaker 1: It's week eighteen. We have made it, really, we've already
Speaker 1: made it to the end of the fantasy season for
Speaker 1: most people. The vast, vast majority of people have already
Speaker 1: finished their leagues. That's the way you should do it.
Speaker 1: You should not have a championship game in week eighteen.
Speaker 1: If your commissioners set up your league to do so,
Speaker 1: file a complaints because they did it wrong. Having said that,
Speaker 1: we still wanted to get together and do a show
Speaker 1: because frankly, we love doing this show. It's super fun,
Speaker 1: and we decided to kind of twist it to a
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five focus. So we're gonna talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about some of these matchups and you know who
Speaker 1: we like to win certain games, and maybe we'll touch
Speaker 1: on a couple of key you know, player individual matchups
Speaker 1: here or there. But by and large, this is going
Speaker 1: to be a very forward looking show, a very twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five slanted show. Kind of some early thoughts on
Speaker 1: key questions for the offseason key questions for what we're
Speaker 1: gonna be doing with rankings next year. That's kind of
Speaker 1: how we're going to approach it. If for some reason,
Speaker 1: you do have a matchup this week, I will remind
Speaker 1: you that all of our weekly consensus rankings and tiers
Speaker 1: can be found at fantasypros dot com slash rankings. There
Speaker 1: are rankings on the site for Week eighteen. Maybe you
Speaker 1: can use those if you're not in a matchup to
Speaker 1: look at some betting props, or play dfs, or however
Speaker 1: you want to approach you. But that's how we're coming
Speaker 1: into this show. The day after New Years. It feels
Speaker 1: like a Monday, even though it's a Thursday. Weird time
Speaker 1: of year. Deebra, how you doing, Buddy?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good boys, and happy New Year. Love you
Speaker 2: boys to death. Thank we were talking about this pre show.
Speaker 2: I'll be seeing both of you in a little bit
Speaker 2: over a month. Questionable things might happen Vegas. All I
Speaker 2: can say is that I hope the powers that be
Speaker 2: are ready for the bail money.
Speaker 1: It will be my first trip to Vegas of my life,
Speaker 1: and I'm counting on it. Fits to be my Vegas
Speaker 1: tour guide.
Speaker 2: I love Vegas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've definitely done some time in Las Vegas, worman
Speaker 3: and we'll be happy to be your shirpa. But yeah, man,
Speaker 3: you're gonna love it. It's uh it's a big land
Speaker 3: of make believe with you know, it looks like a
Speaker 3: kid's playroom come to life with all the giant properties
Speaker 3: looking so cartoonishly garish and oversized. But uh, yeah, you
Speaker 3: have to see it to believe it. It's it's a
Speaker 3: pretty pretty fun time.
Speaker 1: Now. Now, when you say you've done some time in Vegas,
Speaker 1: do you want to be there or you've had a
Speaker 1: little too much fun there?
Speaker 3: No, No, I've never seen the inside of a Las
Speaker 3: Vegas jail Celle. From what I've heard, you really don't
Speaker 3: want to. It's not the place to get thrown in
Speaker 3: a lock up. But yeah, no, I have been there
Speaker 3: quite a bit. My mom and stepdad actually used to
Speaker 3: run a trade show that operated like in Vegas maybe
Speaker 3: two or three times a year, and I helped out
Speaker 3: with a lot of those shows. So there were a
Speaker 3: lot of combined business pleasure trips and someboddies and I
Speaker 3: have an annual trip out there, So yes, I'm pretty
Speaker 3: familiar with the town. And know of all the well
Speaker 3: a lot of the fun things today de bro, I
Speaker 3: won't say all the fun things to do.
Speaker 1: But Bro, you caught the way he phrased that right
Speaker 1: where he said he the inside of a famous jail.
Speaker 2: Still Easy said.
Speaker 1: It is no follow up questions for me publicly. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it more on time.
Speaker 2: Done, Time done. Time is all I heard.
Speaker 1: Let's dive into the show. We're going to go through.
Speaker 1: I know sometimes we kind of highlight our ten biggest
Speaker 1: key questions because we're looking at this from a very
Speaker 1: forward slant. We're just going to go through every matchup,
Speaker 1: so we'll be a little quicker on some of these
Speaker 1: games to try and get through the entire This is
Speaker 1: the most games we could possibly have because there is
Speaker 1: no even Thursday night football this week, so all sixteen
Speaker 1: matchups we were going to at least somewhat touch on,
Speaker 1: but again very forward thinking, you know, twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: angle to this. We're going to start on the Saturday slate.
Speaker 1: First game is Brown's Raven. It's the kind of AFC
Speaker 1: North double header that we're getting on Saturday. Those are
Speaker 1: the only two games before Sunday. So first one, Browns Ravens.
Speaker 1: Everyone loved Derrick Henry's fit in Baltimore the summer, but
Speaker 1: there was trepidation about drafting a thirty year old running
Speaker 1: back who was joining a new team. He is now
Speaker 1: turning thirty one on Saturday, so tomorrow for when you're
Speaker 1: likely listening to this, and he's going to enter twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five coming off of a season where he outscored
Speaker 1: every non quarterback except for Saquan and Jamar Jase. He
Speaker 1: had an awesome season. Assuming he sticks in Baltimore, but
Speaker 1: is now another year older. Is he back to being
Speaker 1: a top half of the first round fantasy option fits?
Speaker 1: Or will you be fading him given that he is
Speaker 1: now another year older.
Speaker 3: I was behind consensus on Derrick Henry my twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four draft rankings, and that was obviously a huge mistake.
Speaker 3: So I'm trying to be more respectful with my twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five draft ranking of Derrick Henry, but at the
Speaker 3: same time still trying to bake in a little bit
Speaker 3: of age risk. So I've got him RB six, tentatively
Speaker 3: behind Saquon Barkley, Bjeon Robinson, Jamier Gibbs, Josh Jacobs, and
Speaker 3: Devon A. Chan and just ahead of Bucky Irving and
Speaker 3: Ashton Genty. So yeah, I mean, I guess that doesn't
Speaker 3: quite put him in the top half of the first round,
Speaker 3: because I would also take at least a couple of
Speaker 3: receivers ahead of him. You know, Jamar Chase for sure,
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson for sure, maybe Puka also, and maybe even
Speaker 3: Brock Bauers. Honestly, I think there's value to Bowers being
Speaker 3: a first rounder this year. So that puts Henry Moore
Speaker 3: in the round one, round two turn area. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, what's what more does the guy have to prove?
Speaker 3: Like he was a marvelous fit with the Ravens and
Speaker 3: looking forward to more of the same in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Debra.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be probably the back half of
Speaker 2: the first round, and that's where he should be somewhere.
Speaker 2: I mean, depending on your league and set up and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, like three wide receiver leagues and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Could there be few wide receivers that go
Speaker 2: ahead of him and stuff and pushes him in to
Speaker 2: the turn of the second round. Sure, I think my
Speaker 2: bigger takeaway is I'm not fading Derrick Henry. I didn't
Speaker 2: fade him this year, not gonna fade him next year.
Speaker 2: If like this just comes down to he's different man,
Speaker 2: Like nothing at nothing, efficiency wise, nothing at all, like
Speaker 2: shows that he's slowing down. I'm old enough to remember
Speaker 2: after Week one, after the collective was like, oh, he's
Speaker 2: RB thirty one for the week. Look at all this
Speaker 2: Justice Hill blah blah blah. Derrick Henry's dust dude. He's
Speaker 2: he's gonna be inn RB one until he decides to
Speaker 2: hang up the cleats. I mean, you're telling me this
Speaker 2: guy was top twelve in miss tackles forced an explosive
Speaker 2: run rate yet again this year.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's he says, another game to go,
Speaker 1: and he's at the second most rushing yards he's ever
Speaker 1: had in a season in his career. He's at the
Speaker 1: third most touchdowns he's ever had in a season in
Speaker 1: his career, and again he has another game to add
Speaker 1: to that. Like he still like every single week you
Speaker 1: see there's a package on CBS about the dude's diet
Speaker 1: and his workout regiment and what in the two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars a year he spends to keep
Speaker 1: his body right, like thirty one is. It's not like
Speaker 1: he's forty. Like I get fading him to a degree.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he should be the third overall pick
Speaker 1: in drafts, but if he's back in Baltimore and there
Speaker 1: they don't add some other significant name like in the
Speaker 1: draft or something as a backup to him, I don't
Speaker 1: see any reason to think he's going to finish under
Speaker 1: twelve touchdowns next year and another you know, twelve hundred
Speaker 1: yards like and as as again, assuming he's healthy, that's
Speaker 1: like worst case scenario, I think. So he will be
Speaker 1: a very easy first round pick for me.
Speaker 2: Did you boys see on the Netflix thing when they
Speaker 2: broke open the cake and stuff like that and she's
Speaker 2: handing it to I forget the commentator, but she was
Speaker 2: handing it to Lamar and there was at all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Henry's like, I'm not even that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, nah, well fast baby, Yeah yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like, I'll put it like this, if he's going
Speaker 1: in the back half for the first round, he will
Speaker 1: be my favorite pick in that range. Yep, going into
Speaker 1: next again, assuming he's back in Baltimore and they don't
Speaker 1: add somebody else let's look at the other Saturday game
Speaker 1: here Bengals Steelers. Besides Cincinnati, what is the best fantasy
Speaker 1: landing spot for T Higgins this offseason? And also what
Speaker 1: is the worst debro?
Speaker 2: I think the best And I was looking at this,
Speaker 2: and this comes down to, Okay, Well, if T is
Speaker 2: gonna go somewhere, he's gonna get paid. We should assume that.
Speaker 2: And I don't think that he ends up back in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: I know, I know Burrow wants him back, I know
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. But the Cincinnati owner is
Speaker 2: a known prude, is a known just you know, rubbing
Speaker 2: two nickels together, and so I don't think that he's
Speaker 2: gonna pay T Higgins. They've allowed this to go too far.
Speaker 2: For me, this comes out to one of two places
Speaker 2: as far as the best scenario for him, and that
Speaker 2: is between two teams that are in the top seven
Speaker 2: in cap space right now, and that is either Washington
Speaker 2: or the Los Angeles Chargers. If I have to one,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be the Commanders. And I think considering everything
Speaker 2: we've seen out of jayde Daniels, we should all feel
Speaker 2: very comfortable there is room for growth in this passing offense.
Speaker 2: Both in play volume and passing rate as well as
Speaker 2: Jayden has been absolutely fantastic. On the flip side of that, dude,
Speaker 2: I do not want to see him end up with
Speaker 2: the team that has the second most cap space in
Speaker 2: the NFL, and that is the Las Vegas Raiders, who
Speaker 2: because of the games they've won recently, have fallen all
Speaker 2: the way outside of the top five in possible draft spots.
Speaker 2: As we're recording this, they are eighth in the first round,
Speaker 2: so they are on the outside, probably looking in for
Speaker 2: a quarterback right now. I do not want to invest
Speaker 2: in a free agent wide receiver going to an offense
Speaker 2: that is gonna either. Are we playing the Gardner Minshee
Speaker 2: game again? We play in the Aid and O'Connell game again.
Speaker 2: I don't want to play those games. So no fe
Speaker 2: lands with the Raiders. I'm fading T Higgins in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five.
Speaker 1: Tell us how you really feel, uh fits, What do
Speaker 1: you think as far as both best fantasy landing spot
Speaker 1: again setting aside since he has an option, and also
Speaker 1: the worst.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I feel like the New England Patriots
Speaker 3: are almost inevitable here. Like when the sports books start
Speaker 3: to set odds for where some of the big name
Speaker 3: free agents land. I kind of feel like it's going
Speaker 3: to be minus money to bet T Higgins to the Patriots,
Speaker 3: Like I could see minus one fifty or something. The
Speaker 3: Patriots badly needed wide receiver, and they have the most
Speaker 3: salary cap space, so it just seems like the perfect
Speaker 3: fit and a Drake may T Higgins pairing. I mean,
Speaker 3: that sounds pretty good to me. Honestly, it's kind of
Speaker 3: hard to find a better fit I think among the
Speaker 3: teams that have a good amount of cap space and
Speaker 3: need a wide receiver. Although Debro makes a good point
Speaker 3: on the Commanders. You know, they do have a lot
Speaker 3: of cap space. Not a bad setup. He'd get to
Speaker 3: play with Jayden Daniels and he'd have Terry McLaurin to
Speaker 3: kind of keep double teams off him. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, like mclaurin's not the target hog, Jamar Chase
Speaker 3: is probably an improved target outlook for T. Higgins, So
Speaker 3: bad landing spots. Debro mentioned if the Raiders no thanks
Speaker 3: not with their unsettled quarterback situation. The Cardinals have a
Speaker 3: lot of cap space and maybe they're looking for a
Speaker 3: number two receiver. Again, no Titans no, So yeah, let's
Speaker 3: stick with either the Patriots or the Commanders. Maybe the Chargers.
Speaker 3: Maybe the Chargers are in play, but yeah.
Speaker 1: I'd be really happy with any of those three. What
Speaker 1: would you guys think about the Panthers neither of you
Speaker 1: mentioned them.
Speaker 2: Well, I would like it only from a volume perspective.
Speaker 2: I just I'm still we're going to talk about him later.
Speaker 2: I'm still not sold of how many weapons can Bryce
Speaker 2: Young support throughout the entire We've seen it with Adam Deeling.
Speaker 2: I get that, I get that, but I'm still not sold.
Speaker 2: Like is t Higgins if he goes to Carolina top
Speaker 2: twenty four guy, probably Well, let's hire season.
Speaker 1: Panthers Falcons is the next game on this late so
Speaker 1: my key question is about Bryce youngs let's just transition
Speaker 1: to that game. What do you want to see the
Speaker 1: Panthers do this offseason to help continue Bryce Young's really
Speaker 1: surprising improvement that we saw in the second half of
Speaker 1: this season, Debra.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean we're leading into this. I want
Speaker 2: to see them add more talented wide receiver And this
Speaker 2: is not a knock. And Jaalen Coker has played fantastic
Speaker 2: and Veelan has been awesome. We have not seen like
Speaker 2: immense returns from Xavier la Get and Caroline has been
Speaker 2: trying the entirety of the season to force feed the
Speaker 2: ball to him and see what the kid can do.
Speaker 2: I was I thought though the range of outcomes for
Speaker 2: him as a prospect was pretty wide. I don't know
Speaker 2: if we're going to see him actualize the top end
Speaker 2: of that possible ceiling. So for me, it's yes at
Speaker 2: a wide receiver. I think if you add a true
Speaker 2: number one like Bobby T. Higgins, it's gonna really open
Speaker 2: up this offense. But I'm gonna go a little bit
Speaker 2: further down the well and a little bit more boring conversation.
Speaker 2: They have got to add a center in the draft
Speaker 2: or in free agency like Austin Corbett. Kde mays.
Speaker 3: They are not it.
Speaker 2: Man Like, you're talking about how do I help Bryce
Speaker 2: Shung in the upcoming season? Okay, playmakers, sure, that's the
Speaker 2: easy answer. You gotta give him freaking time in the pocket.
Speaker 2: Man Like, we're talking about a quarterback that has faced
Speaker 2: the twelfth highest pressure rate this season and the sixth
Speaker 2: highest pressure rate over expectation. So you want him to develop,
Speaker 2: You want him to actualize and utilize the weapons around
Speaker 2: him to the fullest extent, and Dave Canell's to be
Speaker 2: able to run his offense to the best version he can.
Speaker 2: Bryce Shung needs freaking time in the pocket. Man at
Speaker 2: a center.
Speaker 1: Please, Carolina, what do you think, Fitz, what do you
Speaker 1: want to see the Panthers do this offseason? And if
Speaker 1: it is somebody like T Higgins, how will you be
Speaker 1: ranking him?
Speaker 3: Yeah? To your point where, Yeah, they do need an
Speaker 3: outside receiver. And Deebro said this too, like Feeling and
Speaker 3: Jalen Koker both do their best work in the slot
Speaker 3: and on it. I'd kind of like to see Xavier
Speaker 3: leget used as a big slot, but that's just not
Speaker 3: happening on this team because he's really good once he
Speaker 3: has the ball in his hands, Like getting the ball
Speaker 3: into his hands is the problem because he did not
Speaker 3: show much as a route runner, had trouble getting separation,
Speaker 3: wasn't especially good uncontested catches this year. So they need
Speaker 3: another outside receiver, a veteran more dependable than Lagett. I
Speaker 3: don't know if they're going to be players in the
Speaker 3: T Higgins sweepstakes, Like I don't know if they have
Speaker 3: that much cap money to do that and make the
Speaker 3: defensive improvements they badly need to make because we saw
Speaker 3: this run defense get trampled all year, and you know,
Speaker 3: they could use another cornerback besides j C. Horn. A
Speaker 3: lot of needs on the defensive wish list for this team.
Speaker 3: So I don't think they're chasing T. Higgins. Maybe they
Speaker 3: get an older VET like Amari Cooper, DeAndre Hopkins. Those
Speaker 3: guys are going to be available in free agency. And then,
Speaker 3: you know, agree with Debro, keep fortifying the defensive line,
Speaker 3: center and right tackle like they're set with Ikey. I
Speaker 3: think he Kawanu and left tackle and the guards Robert
Speaker 3: Hunt and Damien Lewis, those guys are fine. But yeah,
Speaker 3: center kind of a problem. It seems like a lot
Speaker 3: of teams who are running a gap blitzes on the
Speaker 3: Panthers in the last few weeks. Right tackle not great either.
Speaker 3: They could use help there. So yeah, just continue to
Speaker 3: sort of improve the supporting cast, and I think that
Speaker 3: starts with a couple of the offensive line spots and
Speaker 3: an outside receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to your point, Fitsie, I agree with you. I
Speaker 2: don't think they're going to be in the tig and sweepstakes.
Speaker 2: They have the thirteenth fewest cap space amongst the NFL
Speaker 2: teams right now.
Speaker 1: They have the sixth pick right now. Do you think
Speaker 1: that's an option for like Ted McMillan, or is that
Speaker 1: like they're going to go offensive line or defense?
Speaker 2: There could be if if it was me in the
Speaker 2: front office of Carolina, I would be trading down from
Speaker 2: that pick. You let somebody come up for an offensive
Speaker 2: lineman or whatever, you know, pick your djur and add
Speaker 2: some more equity, because like we're talking about, they don't
Speaker 2: have a lot of cap space to add around a
Speaker 2: quarterback and really try to see, Okay, what do we
Speaker 2: can we get out of this quarterback? Is he the
Speaker 2: face of our franchise moving forward? And you have so
Speaker 2: many holes on this roster. So to me, the answer is,
Speaker 2: I don't care who's on the board, I'm gonna trade back.
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Speaker 1: Slash bball fits. Let's go to Commander's Cowboys. How many
Speaker 1: quarterbacks will you be ranking ahead of Jayden Daniels next year?
Speaker 3: Just too Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, and I do
Speaker 3: think there's a conversation to be had about the rankings
Speaker 3: of Jade and Daniels, Joe Burrow and Jalen Hurts. I
Speaker 3: think different people might have those three ordered differently, and
Speaker 3: you know, Patrick Mahomes maybe just outside that group, but
Speaker 3: for me, he's number three.
Speaker 1: What do you think Debrow? Obviously you've been the Jane
Speaker 1: Daniels guy from day one.
Speaker 2: Dude, it's it's Lamar and it's Allen. That's the only
Speaker 2: guys that are definitively over him Burrow. It's a conversation
Speaker 2: of weapons. What do they do this offseason? Is tea back?
Speaker 2: Is he not? If he's gone, that I can't rank
Speaker 2: Burrow ahead of him is amazing, like as Burrow has
Speaker 2: been this year. Yeah, I think Daniels, and also we're
Speaker 2: going to make some assumptions that like Washington is going
Speaker 2: to add some more talent on the offensive side, whether
Speaker 2: that's offensive line, playmakers round Jane Daniels, dude, he's he's
Speaker 2: a top three quarterback this next season.
Speaker 1: I will not be drafting any Joe Burrow next year
Speaker 1: in the range he's gonna be going because I'm just
Speaker 1: so completely convinced in the war of like pocket passers
Speaker 1: versus mobile guys that I'm not taking a pocket passer
Speaker 1: unless he can do what Burrow has done this season.
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna bet on that happening. Again, he
Speaker 1: has played as well as you can possibly play. He
Speaker 1: has two superstar weapons. I'm just gonna assume there's gonna
Speaker 1: be some inherent regression, even though like Burrow's a superstar.
Speaker 1: It's not a knock on him. But if you do
Speaker 1: not have the legs in terms of your fantasy value
Speaker 1: that you're adding, I'm just not gonna gonna invest in
Speaker 1: you where Burrow is gonna be going because of what
Speaker 1: he did this year.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to bet against Burrow the player
Speaker 2: and the talent. And I'm gonna make this correlation for
Speaker 2: a quarterback that everybody was in on that we saw
Speaker 2: smash last year, there was a top five guy, And
Speaker 2: if the weapons get worse than Cincinnati, could Burrow have
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna we're not I'm not equating injuries
Speaker 2: into this, okay, but could Burrow have a Dak Prescott
Speaker 2: type twenty twenty five. That's if it's only Chase and
Speaker 2: the rest of the weapons are me we're going to
Speaker 2: walk into twenty twenty five. Chase is the wide receiver one,
Speaker 2: Burrow is the top top five to seven quarterback. Blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And then see it's a house of cards.
Speaker 1: It's a good comparison. Actually thought you were gonna say differentquarter.
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say C. J. Stroud, because he
Speaker 1: Stroud was the guy that was of the pocket passers
Speaker 1: you know, outside of Mahomes, was going like higher than
Speaker 1: anybody in drafts this year, and there was obviously injuries
Speaker 1: in his receiving corps to the point where you know,
Speaker 1: it didn't even have Nico the whole year, but it
Speaker 1: was really just Nico who was actually producing bad offensive line.
Speaker 1: Sounds like that could be possibly a similar situation that
Speaker 1: Burrows in next year. Burrow is a superstar. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's, you know, in real life football on that level,
Speaker 1: but from fantasy again, where he's going to be drafted,
Speaker 1: I just think I'm gonna have very little interest in him.
Speaker 1: Fits you, this is kind of turned into a Burrow
Speaker 1: conversation more than Jayden Daniels. But what are your quick
Speaker 1: thoughts on Burrow?
Speaker 3: No? I agree. I mean he has over his last
Speaker 3: eight games averaged like three hundred and thirty one passing
Speaker 3: yards and three and a half touchdowns a game. Like
Speaker 3: there have not been many just pure pocket passers who've
Speaker 3: sustained that sort of production over a long period, like
Speaker 3: Dan Marino. I mean, and maybe Joe Burrow could be
Speaker 3: the next Dan Marino, but I would rather bet on
Speaker 3: the mobile quarterback. And right now I have Burrow ranked
Speaker 3: ahead of Jalen Hurts just because the Eagles were so
Speaker 3: outrageously run heavy, and I do worry about like what
Speaker 3: if the tush push would ever dry up? But you know,
Speaker 3: like maybe I should have Hurts ahead of Burrow for
Speaker 3: that reason. So yeah, those concerns are right now. Even
Speaker 3: though I have to have someone at number four, I'm
Speaker 3: not really interest in drafting the fourth best quarterback in
Speaker 3: the draft.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that this conversation is really highlighting
Speaker 1: to me that it's a tier of three at the top,
Speaker 1: and I do think Jenden is behind the other two.
Speaker 1: So maybe you could say it's a tier of two
Speaker 1: than a tier one. But I don't think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be really interested in hearing cases from anybody behind Daniel's
Speaker 1: going ahead of him, Like I do think there's a
Speaker 1: pretty much a gap there which it sounds like we're
Speaker 1: in agreement on let's go to Bears Packers. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep this one simple fits. Are you in or out
Speaker 1: on Caleb Williams in fantasy next season?
Speaker 3: I mean I'm out on him in that I don't
Speaker 3: want him to be my starting quarterback in a one
Speaker 3: QB league in twenty twenty five, But I might be
Speaker 3: above consensus on him right now. I've got him at
Speaker 3: QB sixteen tentatively. And I know there were a lot
Speaker 3: of red flags about his rookie season. The sack rates,
Speaker 3: the downfield accuracy not great on either count, but then
Speaker 3: they are just these moments, man. And I know that
Speaker 3: six ' three Seahawks Bears game was about as unsightly
Speaker 3: as it gets. But there was a throw that Caleb
Speaker 3: made in that game where he was getting chased and
Speaker 3: I think he's like running in he kind of throws
Speaker 3: back across his body and just fires a dart into
Speaker 3: the end zone that Romo Dunes caught and like one
Speaker 3: of those throws. I'm sitting alone in my living room
Speaker 3: and you know, exclaim, holy bleep, like it was a
Speaker 3: crazy good throw. So yeah, like I'm I want to
Speaker 3: be optimistic. I just don't want to miss my top
Speaker 3: QB in a one QB league. That's it. Super flex
Speaker 3: fine leagues where it makes sense to draft a backup quarterback. Fine,
Speaker 3: So I don't know QB sixteen. I don't want to
Speaker 3: be too far below consensus on him either, because the
Speaker 3: dude definitely has talent. We saw it in Spurts in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I love a second year quarterback, you know,
Speaker 1: Theoretically with the ninth pick, if that's where they end
Speaker 1: up taking offensive linemen, maybe they get Ben Johnson or
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen or somebody that we like offensively as their
Speaker 1: head coach, and I might be feeling a little bit differently, deebro,
Speaker 1: how are you kind of thinking about Caleb Williams right
Speaker 1: now for fantasy specifically?
Speaker 2: And what if they get Mike Vrabel.
Speaker 1: Babel's a good coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that, but I mean, you know is
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean this comes down to I think
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna put the blanket on this and just
Speaker 2: say I'm out. I'm out there. There's other QB two's
Speaker 2: that I'll want next year outside of Caleb Williams are
Speaker 2: the flashes of play making, a building out, a playmaking
Speaker 2: ability outside of structure. There, Yes, can he make the
Speaker 2: ridiculous playground plays? Yes? I worry about Caleb entering the NFL,
Speaker 2: and why I caught so much flak during the pre
Speaker 2: draft process was it's not the circus stuff that I
Speaker 2: worry about with Caleb, it's the fact that he tries
Speaker 2: to rely on that every single freaking snap instead of
Speaker 2: staying on schedule, playing within structure. And his numbers on
Speaker 2: a per drop back basis have been absolutely horrendous this year. Like,
Speaker 2: outside of forty five qualifying quarterbacks right now, he is
Speaker 2: twenty seventh and highly accurate throw rate. That's behind Snoopuntley.
Speaker 2: Just to give some context, he's forty second in catchable
Speaker 2: target rate. The only quarterbacks with at least one hundred
Speaker 2: dropbacks this year that are worse and catchable target rate,
Speaker 2: which I mean, we could talk about the offensive line,
Speaker 2: we can talk about all those things. From a standpoint
Speaker 2: of his abilities as a passer, he has been horrible
Speaker 2: on a per dropback basis this year. The only quarterbacks
Speaker 2: with a lower catchable target rate than Caleb Williams this
Speaker 2: year Drew Locke, Anthony Richardson and freaking Dorian Thompson Robinson.
Speaker 2: That is not a list you want to live.
Speaker 1: On very quickly. Does he asked you no same question, Romadonese.
Speaker 2: I'm in depending on his ADP. If he climbs higher
Speaker 2: than like mid wide receiver three low in wide receiver
Speaker 2: three territory, then I'm out. I love the talent, but
Speaker 2: it's not like he's been great I just talked about.
Speaker 2: I am incredibly worried about his quarterback since Week nine
Speaker 2: eighty qualifying wide receivers dudes outside the top forty five
Speaker 2: wide receivers in separation rate and route win rate. So
Speaker 2: even outside of Caleb issues, Rome has not been the
Speaker 2: guy that I hoped he'd be so far. So far
Speaker 2: in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Fits, I've gotten wide receiver thirty five, like we saw
Speaker 3: some flashes of the good stuff and how reliable his
Speaker 3: hands are and how good he is at the catch point.
Speaker 3: And the Bears are probably gonna let Keenan Allen walk
Speaker 3: in free agency, and I wouldn't be surprised if they
Speaker 3: dealt DJ Moore, who was like clearly unhappy all year.
Speaker 3: It's weird. DJ Moore has played with some terrible quarterbacks
Speaker 3: throughout his career, and I've never seen him look unhappier
Speaker 3: than he did this year with the Bears. So there's
Speaker 3: some sort of issue going on there. I just think
Speaker 3: Rome's going to have a clear path to targets next year,
Speaker 3: and I still believe in the talent.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's cud a Jaguars Colts, which is
Speaker 1: a game we would normally not care at all about.
Speaker 1: So we're definitely looking at the twenty twenty five slant here,
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, Justin, Jefferson, Amanas Saint Brown. That is the
Speaker 1: entire list of wide receivers with more Fantasy points than
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior this season in half PPR scoring fits.
Speaker 1: Is he a locked, in no doubt about it, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five first rounder.
Speaker 3: I can't say that he is, but I think it's close.
Speaker 3: I think he'll be a first rounder in basketball drafts
Speaker 3: without question, where the wide receiver position is emphasized, and
Speaker 3: probably more of an early second rounder and most conventional
Speaker 3: redraft leagues home leagues, I've him ranked wide receiver six,
Speaker 3: like I've got him ranked one spot ahead of Nicocollins.
Speaker 3: I would rather Brian Thomas Junior than Nico and two spots.
Speaker 3: I had a Malik Neighbors as college teammate who was
Speaker 3: pretty fantastic this year, so I actually debated putting him
Speaker 3: ahead of Im and Ross Saint Brown, who I've at
Speaker 3: wide receiver five. Like seeing is believing with this guy man,
Speaker 3: and like not an ideal quarterback situation frohim the whole season,
Speaker 3: like Trevor Lawrence is fine, and I think he'll work
Speaker 3: well with Trevor Lawrence. But like he checked every box
Speaker 3: man route, running, reliable, hands, awesome after the catch, can
Speaker 3: make the spectacular grab, toughness, durability, like he was just
Speaker 3: a total package man. Like really impressed with Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 3: And I feel very silly for having ranks like Xavier
Speaker 3: Worthy and Kean Coleman ahead of him in rookie rankings
Speaker 3: last year.
Speaker 1: I well, first of all, if he's going in that range,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be feeling some kind of way if
Speaker 1: I'm starting a draft with like Derrick Henry and Brian
Speaker 1: Thomas Junior at the turn I'll be very excited to
Speaker 1: be in any leagues like that. Yeah, I was. It
Speaker 1: was a real lesson for me in terms of Dynasty
Speaker 1: rookie rankings last year that I I liked Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 1: He was my wide receiver for the entire way, and
Speaker 1: then I was very much seduced by the idea of
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy sliding into the Tyreek Hill role in the
Speaker 1: Chiefs offense, and I ended up taking Worthy over Thomas
Speaker 1: in a league where I really the thing I need
Speaker 1: more than anything is an alpha receiver. And obviously I
Speaker 1: have a ton of regret and fomo about that, and
Speaker 1: you know, everybody makes mistakes drafting here and there. But
Speaker 1: it was a real lesson in terms of, like, if
Speaker 1: you just think a guys that good, like, don't get
Speaker 1: overly seduced by the situation. And we saw it to
Speaker 1: an even more extreme where not only is like Worthy,
Speaker 1: you know with Mahomes, Brian Thomas Junior was with Mac
Speaker 1: Jones for a large part of this year, like not
Speaker 1: even Trevor Lawrence, but like one of the worst quarterbacks
Speaker 1: who've seen recently and again Chase Jefferson Saint Brown are
Speaker 1: the only people who outscored him at the position this year.
Speaker 1: That is insane. Debro, What do you think about his
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five ranking.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a first rounder, but I think
Speaker 2: that he should not fall out of the second round.
Speaker 2: Looking at how the offseason is going to you know,
Speaker 2: play out and stuff like that. Like maybe I'll say
Speaker 2: this is polarizing. I still want to have like AJ Brown,
Speaker 2: Nico I still want Nico Collins, even Mike Evans, Like no,
Speaker 2: Chris Goblin probably next year. Mike Evans is not slowing
Speaker 2: down at all. Baker Mayfield is playing some of the
Speaker 2: best football of his career. Still want him above him, Like,
Speaker 2: it's not that I don't like Brian Thomas Junior and
Speaker 2: just quick on the on the prospect conversation about him,
Speaker 2: I was notably lower on him enterant what during the
Speaker 2: prospect season, NFL draft season. But really what this comes
Speaker 2: down to is Brian Thomas Junior as a prospect and
Speaker 2: the Brian Thomas Junior that we've seen in the NFL
Speaker 2: are two different players. And my estimation his growth as
Speaker 2: a route runner and what we've seen at like the
Speaker 2: total package out of him in the NFL. I thought
Speaker 2: there was a way he could get there. But to
Speaker 2: see how fast he's done this in his rookie season
Speaker 2: as a player that if you looked at his LSU
Speaker 2: prospect profile, he had one monster year. On a per
Speaker 2: route basis, it was really good. It wasn't great. He
Speaker 2: was running a lot a very limited route tree. The
Speaker 2: physical attributes were there, but his growth as a route runner,
Speaker 2: his growth as an X receiver this year has been insane.
Speaker 2: So I also want to give This is not me
Speaker 2: throwing cold water or backing up pre draft takes, but
Speaker 2: I want to give credence to the growth that we've
Speaker 2: seen from the prospect of the player that we're talking
Speaker 2: about right now. So I think he firmly should be
Speaker 2: in the top two. Round conversation Round one is a
Speaker 2: little bit aggressive.
Speaker 1: For me quickly. I do want to hit on the
Speaker 1: Colts because I think, just given how excited a lot
Speaker 1: of people were for Anthony richardson coming into this season,
Speaker 1: we have to at least talk about the fact that
Speaker 1: it was you know, the injury included, you know, as
Speaker 1: part of this calculus, but he was benched and his
Speaker 1: dealt with injuries and it was a really, really poor season.
Speaker 1: So de roach, just very quickly, what do you want
Speaker 1: to see out of the Colts this offseason to give
Speaker 1: you more confidence in drafting Anthony Richardson next year?
Speaker 2: Man, I have and I'll own an l here. I
Speaker 2: was incredibly high on Anthony Richardson. I thought he was
Speaker 2: going to take leaps and bounds and see some growth
Speaker 2: as a passer. This year, it has not happened. I
Speaker 2: thought that we've seen small flashes of that, like the
Speaker 2: Jets game. I walked out of that game being like, wow,
Speaker 2: like he's he looks better, and then we saw regression
Speaker 2: in the next few games after that. Dude, I don't
Speaker 2: know what's gonna help me. I'll be very honest about
Speaker 2: this in this conversation. I don't know what's gonna help
Speaker 2: me give me more confidence in drafting a rich cult
Speaker 2: walking into next year, because if they keep this coaching staff,
Speaker 2: the luster and the glow on Shane Styking has really
Speaker 2: fallen off this year. This offense has looked disjointed. This
Speaker 2: team has looked like they very unmotivated, very uninspired, Like
Speaker 2: you just went out and got the ever living crap
Speaker 2: beat out of you by the Giants in a must
Speaker 2: win game. I know I'm like a lot of like
Speaker 2: bro science here, but like, dude, like there is a
Speaker 2: lot of bad vibes, Like I don't even know if
Speaker 2: this coaching staff returns for twenty twenty five, and if
Speaker 2: that's the case, we're talking about Anthony Richardson with another coach,
Speaker 2: another new coordinator, another system players, I mean people at
Speaker 2: the maybe at the top, and the coaching staff. They
Speaker 2: did not draft him, so even less like reasons to
Speaker 2: kind of see this through. Man, Like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what this offseason is gonna bring. That's really going to
Speaker 2: give me more confidence in looking at this offense and
Speaker 2: Richardson for twenty twenty five, Fitz.
Speaker 3: Just gotta help that another offseason of like OTAs and
Speaker 3: training camps and with stich In, if indeed he does
Speaker 3: stick around, can help his proficiency as a passer, because
Speaker 3: we knew that was going to be the issue with
Speaker 3: him coming in. He just had so little game experience,
Speaker 3: such a little game experience that like he was going
Speaker 3: to be behind the curve as a passer and now
Speaker 3: we're just hoping he can kind of get to average
Speaker 3: because it's not personnel. The Colts have a really good
Speaker 3: offensive line. They have a good receiver corps, like could
Speaker 3: be a real plus receiver corps next year. If ad
Speaker 3: Ni Mitchell takes another step forward, I mean maybe they
Speaker 3: could get him a real tight end. But you know,
Speaker 3: maybe Jilanie Woods comes back healthy that could solve that problem.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean you just have to hope that eventually,
Speaker 3: like the experience helps him because he's he's got the
Speaker 3: arm talent and he's shown it in flashes, but he
Speaker 3: just has to get better about reading defenses, the little things.
Speaker 3: So I'm still cautiously optimist about his career.
Speaker 1: Actually, it's good to Bill's Patriots. If the Pats use
Speaker 1: their draft capital and salary cap space to address offensive
Speaker 1: line and receiver. We talked about see Higgins already. Maybe
Speaker 1: they're a team that gets McMillan, although they have the
Speaker 1: first pick. Baby, that's Travis Hunter. However they do it,
Speaker 1: whether it's drafts or free agency, if they address offensive
Speaker 1: line and receiver, how many quarterbacks fits will have a
Speaker 1: higher potential ceiling in fantasy than Drake may.
Speaker 3: Oh Man pretty much. The ones we talked about earlier
Speaker 3: were Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jane Daniels, Joe Burrow, Jalen
Speaker 3: hurts Patrick Mahomes. That's about it. I've got Drake May
Speaker 3: rank QB ten for next year.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm not even sure I'll put again
Speaker 1: somebody like Burrow in that conversation. It's strictly talking fantasy
Speaker 1: in terms of pure like fantasy ceiling Like to me, like,
Speaker 1: I don't really see a scenario where somebody like Burrow
Speaker 1: without the running is ever QB one in a season.
Speaker 1: I could Drake May being QB one in a season
Speaker 1: with what he does at the legs again, wide receiver,
Speaker 1: offensive liner address.
Speaker 3: Yep, May didn't make his first start into what week six,
Speaker 3: and he's already got over four hundred rushing yards and
Speaker 3: a couple of TV runs. So yeah, I mean he
Speaker 3: give him a full season as a starter, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be up over six hundred rushing yards, maybe seven hundred,
Speaker 3: that coupled with what he can do as a passer
Speaker 3: if he gets some legitimate receipt. This is a dude
Speaker 3: who's been operating with like Kaishan Booty as his best
Speaker 3: wide receiver or sorry that's disrespectful to Pop Douglass, but
Speaker 3: like he doesn't have a real outside receiver. I mean,
Speaker 3: like they are going to draft a receiver, and they're
Speaker 3: going to sign a receiver at the very minimum, So
Speaker 3: he is gonna have a much better group of pass
Speaker 3: catchers next year. And like he's already been pretty impressive
Speaker 3: as a pass catcher with his mediocre group of pass catchers.
Speaker 1: And like, again, I'm not saying that he should be
Speaker 1: ranked as a top five quarterback, but if the question
Speaker 1: is like pure upside, like it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: not watch may and see I'm not saying he's as
Speaker 1: good as Josh Allen, but like, stylistically the type of
Speaker 1: quarterback Josh Allen is that is so great for fantasy
Speaker 1: given what he's who pushed the ball down the field,
Speaker 1: he can run. He only has two rushing touchdowns this year.
Speaker 1: If they decide to use him more near the goal line,
Speaker 1: I could see him having like a big boost there.
Speaker 1: Like again, pure ceiling, I'm like, I'm just in love
Speaker 1: with watching Drake may Like from a fantasy perspective, Debro,
Speaker 1: what do you think?
Speaker 2: I think you guys are a little bit higher on
Speaker 2: me than Drake may Like as I'm kind of like
Speaker 2: coming up at quarterback rankings because I haven't done my
Speaker 2: full twenty twenty five rankings, but on the fly, like
Speaker 2: I've got Drake May as QB fourteen that feels right,
Speaker 2: and the rushing aspects of it are definitely there, Like
Speaker 2: we're talking about a quarterback eighth and rushing yards fifth
Speaker 2: and rushing yards per game, So can he get there
Speaker 2: with the high end ceiling in that aspect. Possibly. Also
Speaker 2: you've had Alex Van Pelton. I really wonder like there's
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff coming out of New England like
Speaker 2: they want to keep Mayo and stuff. I'm not high
Speaker 2: on Alex Van Pelt as a coordinator, so I really
Speaker 2: hope they just got the coaching staff, but it's probably
Speaker 2: not gonna happen. But AVP did talk about them not
Speaker 2: using quarterback runs a ton this year because of it
Speaker 2: they're not competitive and putting may in harm's way. I
Speaker 2: do have some serious reservations in one off season because
Speaker 2: there has been nothing that's happened in the draft or
Speaker 2: fronted front office, any of that free agency, all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff to this point. That gives me a
Speaker 2: lot of faith that New England could really turn this
Speaker 2: around in one off season. Like look at their last
Speaker 2: draft class, guys, Javon Baker doesn't even see the field.
Speaker 2: Jamen Polk was a horrible pick at where he went.
Speaker 2: He should have got like he should have gone in
Speaker 2: the fourth round. And so if they signed some guys
Speaker 2: a T. Higgins, maybe another veteran wide receiver, could I
Speaker 2: see the path? Sure, if we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: do I trust New England to draft guys and for
Speaker 2: that to work, I got a little bit less faith.
Speaker 1: I think. I think if they're if I'm trusting a
Speaker 1: wide receiver edition that they've made in the draft, it's
Speaker 1: because they've made that pick in the first round. Now,
Speaker 1: now that they have the first overall pick as it
Speaker 1: stands right now, maybe that's different because I don't think
Speaker 1: they would take like a McMillan there. It would be
Speaker 1: somebody like Travis Hunter. If it's a receiver who is.
Speaker 2: A good enough player to take in the freaking second round.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but like teams miss on on guys in
Speaker 1: that range all the time, Like if they if they're
Speaker 1: drafting a receiver in the top ten, I will probably
Speaker 1: like assume that receiver is going to be a valuable addition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's fair to be worried if
Speaker 1: if they don't draft a receiver until round three or
Speaker 1: four and then say, oh, we've we've addressed the position.
Speaker 1: I think that's where I would be more on your side,
Speaker 1: debro And and not really on board with that. But
Speaker 1: I think in terms of ranking him for next year,
Speaker 1: it's reasonable to be, you know, in that ten to
Speaker 1: fifteen range, Like, I think that's even maybe someone consider aggressive.
Speaker 1: But in terms of like the best case outcome is
Speaker 1: like again in fantasy like, there's just not many quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that I think could could be higher.
Speaker 2: I'll throw this roll fast and go ahead. Sorry, I
Speaker 2: didn't mean to cut you off. No, no, go ahead,
Speaker 2: Drake May or bow Knicks next year.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna ask the exact same thing, man, Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: we've been.
Speaker 2: And that I'll take. Oh god, it's gonna sound painful.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take bo Nicks like what we're hoping out
Speaker 2: of Drake May. We already saw it last year with
Speaker 2: bo Nicks, Like I don't be hoping for me.
Speaker 1: The answer to that question is gonna be really dependent
Speaker 1: on what the Patriots do this offseason. If the Patriots
Speaker 1: largely run it back, then I will be one hundred
Speaker 1: percent on bon Knicks. But if they, let's say, just
Speaker 1: as an example, sign a T. Higgins and draft a
Speaker 1: quality offense and what like, I will feel differently in
Speaker 1: that scenario. So it's gonna be really dependent on this offseason.
Speaker 3: Right give give Drake maya T Higgins tat McMillan combo,
Speaker 3: and I'm feeling pretty good about Drake may over over Bonnicks.
Speaker 3: But you know, like it's a tough call for sure,
Speaker 3: and bo Nicks, especially with the development we saw or
Speaker 3: have seen from Marvin Mins the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 3: like a Min Sutton combo looks pretty good. Maybe add
Speaker 3: one of these premium tight ends to the mix in
Speaker 3: the draft. It's actually a pretty good year for tight end.
Speaker 2: What if T Higgins goes to Denver because Denver's got
Speaker 2: the twelfth month, twelfth most cap space.
Speaker 3: I don't see it. Yeah, I don't think they're gonna
Speaker 3: They're not gonna do it if they.
Speaker 1: If they draft like Warren though, the tight end out
Speaker 1: of Penn State like that will be really appealing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, you interesting, interesting conversation. I love that you
Speaker 1: guys are going to ask the exact same question. Let's
Speaker 1: go to Giants Eagles and we'll try and go a
Speaker 1: little more quickly because we still have a lot of
Speaker 1: games to go through. How many players can you make
Speaker 1: a reasonable case for drafting ahead of Saquon Barkley in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five drafts? Debro two?
Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean, really it's it's a pack of three
Speaker 2: to maybe four players, Like I think it's Jamar Chase,
Speaker 2: at think it's definitely Bejean Robinson, And this comes down
Speaker 2: to age and stuff like that, But also like, I
Speaker 2: don't think we've seen the best out of Bejean yet.
Speaker 2: I think we're the line of like whether it's three
Speaker 2: or four top five comes down to what do we
Speaker 2: see out of Justin Jefferson next year? And do we
Speaker 2: get a fully healthy season out of Pookin ta Kuoh.
Speaker 2: So I think it's top five, But I mean, if
Speaker 2: you were gonna tell me he's top three and you're
Speaker 2: only take our top two and you're only taking Chase
Speaker 2: ahead of him, if anybody like, I'm not gonna fight
Speaker 2: you on it, I guess.
Speaker 1: He's gonna go top two in most drafts. But I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of trying to frame it as like who
Speaker 1: you could even make a case for? How how one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, you know, locked in that.
Speaker 2: Is chasing Bejhon for me, Yeah, that's the case.
Speaker 1: You know you mentioned fully healthy with Pooka. What if
Speaker 1: we go into next season assuming that Christian mccaffery's fully
Speaker 1: healthy again.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going down that, not doing it again?
Speaker 1: Nope, fits what do you think.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about him later. But as far as uh
Speaker 3: Barkley go, like right now, I would take Jamar Chase
Speaker 3: over him, and that is the only guy in half
Speaker 3: point PPR, and I think in full point PPR, these
Speaker 3: other guys, well Bijon. I'm not gonna argue with anyone
Speaker 3: who wants to take Bijon over Saquon. And in full PPR,
Speaker 3: I think you can make the case for Jefferson or
Speaker 3: Puka Nikua over Sequon. But otherwise, I mean, the infrastructure
Speaker 3: in Philly is just so good, like Saquon running behind
Speaker 3: that offensive line, it's almost unfair.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, any case against Saquon outside of
Speaker 1: Chase so I think, is in that same level. But
Speaker 1: any case against Saquon is strictly a case of twenty
Speaker 1: eight year old running back. I'm worried that he's gonna
Speaker 1: get hurt because if you guarantee the entire league was
Speaker 1: gonna stay healthy this year. I don't see how you
Speaker 1: can make a case for anybody really besides Chase ahead
Speaker 1: of him. Like the fit is so sublime with Philly
Speaker 1: and he obviously, I mean he if he played this week,
Speaker 1: he was going to probably break the rushing record, Like
Speaker 1: how could you.
Speaker 2: He would have broken him broken in the second quarter,
Speaker 2: Like it'll really upset that we're not seeing him break
Speaker 2: that record. Understand all the reasons, but I still think
Speaker 2: it's it's blasphemous.
Speaker 1: On the Giant side, I'm just kind of curious with
Speaker 1: Molik Neighbors, like how much your twenty twenty five ranking
Speaker 1: is going to be dependent on what the Giants do
Speaker 1: at quarterback? Like we've seen like Neighbors is has I
Speaker 1: think it's the sixth most eighth most receiving yards this year,
Speaker 1: and that was with some injury stuff. That was with
Speaker 1: terrible quarterback play. So like it feels like there's a
Speaker 1: volume based floor for Neighbors, even if the quarterback position
Speaker 1: isn't totally resolved now that the Giants aren't picking first overall.
Speaker 1: But I'm curious kind of how wide the gap is
Speaker 1: fits in what your rankings will look like with him
Speaker 1: in terms of if they were to I don't know,
Speaker 1: sign Sam Darnold or draft shooter standers versus kicking a
Speaker 1: can down the road of the position.
Speaker 3: Well, despite how bad the quarterbacking has been, he's got
Speaker 3: one hundred and four catches and eleven hundred and forty
Speaker 3: receiving yards right now. The only quarterback who would make
Speaker 3: me feel sgnificantly better about Neighbor's situation is maybe Sam Donald. Otherwise, Like,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think this is a terrible quarterback class.
Speaker 3: I don't think Shadu or Sanders or cam Ward are
Speaker 3: going to be light in the world on fire as rookies,
Speaker 3: and I don't really like any of the other free
Speaker 3: agent options available. So yeah, I mean, like, maybe if
Speaker 3: they signed Sam Donald, I'm bumping him up one spot
Speaker 3: ahead of Nicocollins. But otherwise I'm locking him in at
Speaker 3: quarter wide receiver eight.
Speaker 1: That's really impressive, you know, to be putting him there,
Speaker 1: even given a quarterback secution deeper. What about you? Is it?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's impressive.
Speaker 1: I'm say it's impressive from neighbors, like he isn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean, he's the wide receiver six
Speaker 2: and fantasy points per game right now. And I really
Speaker 2: want to stress this because I think because of how
Speaker 2: these two wide receivers have finished the year, I think
Speaker 2: we are giving a ton of shine and it is deserved.
Speaker 2: I'm not throwing cold water on this. We were giving
Speaker 2: a ton of shine to Brian Thomas Junior. But in
Speaker 2: the conversation it's getting lost in the sauce of how
Speaker 2: freaking good Malik Neighbors has been in his rookie year
Speaker 2: with worst quarterback play the entire freaking season, he has
Speaker 2: outscored Brian Thomas Junior with horrible quarterbacking play. Look, I
Speaker 2: think Malite Neighbors is a wide receiver one next year.
Speaker 2: I think the question of where you want to rank
Speaker 2: him as a wide receiver one comes down to the
Speaker 2: quarterbacking play. But I do believe that. I mean, you
Speaker 2: tell me this, guys, with the hype that Brian Thomas
Speaker 2: Junior has gotten in the production we've seen over the
Speaker 2: last three or four weeks, where do you see their ADPs?
Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, I think Brian Thomas Junior
Speaker 2: we're going to walk into twenty twenty five and he
Speaker 2: is going to be drafted ahead of Milite Neighbors in
Speaker 2: almost every draft, and I can't tell you that that's right.
Speaker 3: I think they're going to be like neck and neck
Speaker 3: for ADP.
Speaker 2: I think it's do you think Malik will go ahead
Speaker 2: of Brian Thomas Junior in most drafts? I don't think
Speaker 2: it happens because of the quarterback play and stuff.
Speaker 1: And it depends on it depends on who the quarterback
Speaker 1: is for the Giants.
Speaker 3: And people you know should remember that with the one
Speaker 3: hundred and four catches Milik Neighbors, has he missed that
Speaker 3: time with the concussion? Like that's the crazy part about it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean there's a case to be you
Speaker 3: can make the case for Neighbors over Thomas, no question.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I was just talking about this with Ericson
Speaker 1: and Welsh on the Predictions Show this week. There if
Speaker 1: a'man Ross Saint Brown has a down game this week,
Speaker 1: there is a very real possibility that three of the
Speaker 1: top five players in receiving yards this season are rookies.
Speaker 1: Chase and Jefferson are not like you're not going to
Speaker 1: reach them, but the other those three Brian Thomas Junior,
Speaker 1: Brock Bowers and Melik Neighbors are all inside the top eight,
Speaker 1: and the other guys inside the top eight are like
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, who has bad quarterback play, Ceedee Lamb who's
Speaker 1: not playing anymore. So, if I'm sint, Brown has a
Speaker 1: bad game, and those other three have good games, not
Speaker 1: even insane games, just good games. We could see three
Speaker 1: of the top five receiving yards leaders this season our rookies.
Speaker 2: Common thread, common thread between all three of those players
Speaker 2: is their offenses all just fell apart around them and
Speaker 2: they got hyper targeted. And I'm not saying that like, look,
Speaker 2: I am a firm believe that the targets are earned
Speaker 2: and that is a reflection of talent. But that's the
Speaker 2: common thread about all three of those guys. They were
Speaker 2: the unquestioned dude of their passing game.
Speaker 1: My takeaway is, how did lsu ever lose a game
Speaker 1: last year? With Jandon Daniels, Malik Nighbors, and Brian Thomas.
Speaker 3: Junior defense their defense, He's not exactly air tight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next game, Saints Bucks. This one I'll keep simple.
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving is Dynasty RB.
Speaker 3: What fits six RB six six aw Debra.
Speaker 2: I got him at RB nine. I saw ecr as
Speaker 2: him an RB ten I think the conversation for him
Speaker 2: starts probably around RB six and he's Kyrien Williams two
Speaker 2: point zero. Man. The college production was there, the tackle
Speaker 2: breaking metrics were there. I liked him as a prospect
Speaker 2: to an extent. I will say that like I got
Speaker 2: caught up in, like, okay, the testing and falling in
Speaker 2: the NFL draft and stuff like that. I think there's
Speaker 2: a bigger conversation than we need to go back and
Speaker 2: have about prospects and stuff like that when it comes
Speaker 2: back to these running backs that a lot of this
Speaker 2: tackle breaking metrics in college. If the testing isn't amazing,
Speaker 2: but the tackle breaking and everything else in the and
Speaker 2: the analytical profile looks really good, we need to give
Speaker 2: these guys a little bit more grace and a little
Speaker 2: bit more faith. And the last thing I'll say is
Speaker 2: Bucky fell into the perfect opportunity as far as like
Speaker 2: run game skill set. You just stuck him in an
Speaker 2: outside zone runs game scheme like he could have done okay,
Speaker 2: but I don't think it would have been like what
Speaker 2: we've seen the Bucks saying we're gonna stick you in
Speaker 2: gap and allow you to run counter and like get
Speaker 2: you downhill and allow you to get to the second
Speaker 2: level has been absolutely freaking fantastic for him.
Speaker 1: So RB six that the five ahead Bijon Gibbs, h
Speaker 1: Chen Saquon. I'm assuming even with the age and Taylor
Speaker 1: or Breceau, still who's the five?
Speaker 3: Brice Sall And I'll probably have Ashton genty ahead of
Speaker 3: him too when I work the rookie class into that.
Speaker 1: Genty Like, if he goes to the right spot, I
Speaker 1: think you can make a really strong case for even
Speaker 1: as high as RB three in Dynasty.
Speaker 2: But what about your boy Chase Brown? I think it's
Speaker 2: a very interesting conversation too, Fitzy like, I've got him right.
Speaker 2: I've got him right ahead of Bucky because if he
Speaker 2: keeps the CMC role that he had this last year.
Speaker 3: I just don't want to kid myself into thinking that
Speaker 3: the Bengals won't add another running back.
Speaker 1: Okay, Texans Titans, Debro, Are we going to be ranking
Speaker 1: Texans players as if we're expecting the twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: version of the offense or the twenty twenty four version
Speaker 1: of the offense when we get into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: I mean, really, what this comes down to is who
Speaker 2: we really talking about ranking though, like Tank is gonna
Speaker 2: be sidelined or hampered for most of the next season.
Speaker 2: We don't know who the other wide receiver in this
Speaker 2: offense is gonna be, maybe the resigned Deontay Johnson, probably
Speaker 2: not bringing back Steph Diggs. Dalton Schultz has been a ghost.
Speaker 2: So really it comes down to the big ranking conversations
Speaker 2: of this offense come down to Stroud, Mixin and Nico,
Speaker 2: And I think Nico and Stroud are both I mean
Speaker 2: a Nico and Mixon are both gonna be very high
Speaker 2: up the list as they should be walking into next year.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I'm gonna kind of look at this
Speaker 2: offense is probably a middle ground between those two.
Speaker 1: Well, where do you think Mixon will be ranked? Because
Speaker 1: he finished with quite a whimper compared to I mean,
Speaker 1: he looks like a league winner for really the most
Speaker 1: like what the first two and a half months of
Speaker 1: the season, and then was one of these single biggest
Speaker 1: letdowns of the Fantasy playoffs. I mean, his his totals
Speaker 1: in weeks fifteen sixteen seventeen were five point six seven
Speaker 1: point one, three point nine Fantasy points. That's in standards
Speaker 1: a little maybe a little bit higher in half but
Speaker 1: it was single digits in all three games of the
Speaker 1: Fantasy playoffs, so he really really burned managers. Do you
Speaker 1: think people are gonna be ranking him aggressively next year?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's gonna be a top fifteen
Speaker 2: running back. And if he's not a top fifteen running back,
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna be drafting him everywhere like I did
Speaker 2: this offseason, because I think everything that could have gone
Speaker 2: wrong in this offense this year went wrong. The end
Speaker 2: we could talk about. Yes, strav did not play good
Speaker 2: this year. The offensive line has been decimated, the wide
Speaker 2: receiver room has been decimated. We have found out that
Speaker 2: Xavier Hutchinson ain't it. And John Metchie, for as much
Speaker 2: as Dynasty stands, still want to talk about freaking John Metchie.
Speaker 2: John Metchie ain't it. People. I'm sorry, but you need
Speaker 2: to cut paid. He's not it. So I think Mix
Speaker 2: is going to walk in a similar volume, and I
Speaker 2: think he should be a top fifteen running back. Now
Speaker 2: we're in that conversation is fully up for debate, But
Speaker 2: I don't see how he's any lower than that, do you, guys?
Speaker 3: I think I've got him fifteen or sixteen, can't remember
Speaker 3: which it's what.
Speaker 1: Do you make of this offense as a whole. Are
Speaker 1: you kind of thinking we'll see a bounce back to
Speaker 1: the really exciting, surprising twenty twenty three version, or do
Speaker 1: you think we're in for maybe another disappointment.
Speaker 3: I'm with Debro that I woant to be like halfway
Speaker 3: in between the two. But for me, it's less about
Speaker 3: the pass catchers than the offensive line. Like that offensive
Speaker 3: line was just completely dysfunctional. They give up the third
Speaker 3: most sacks, and there were games where the pressure was
Speaker 3: so intense on him, like the Texans Packers game was
Speaker 3: one that comes to mind where I think the pressures
Speaker 3: the Packers got pressure on like sixty three percent of
Speaker 3: Stroud's drop at, Like you can't function as a quarterback
Speaker 3: when you're getting that sort of heat. They need to
Speaker 3: draft an offensive lineman in the first round, and I
Speaker 3: don't know if they're gonna be able to get a
Speaker 3: true difference maker because they're gonna be picking twentieth or
Speaker 3: later and they need to sign at least one offensive lineman.
Speaker 3: So then even then, like we saw the Bengals like
Speaker 3: go all in on repairing their offensive line a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago, and like that first year with the
Speaker 3: new offensive line, it didn't work out that well. It
Speaker 3: took them a year to consolidate all that new talent.
Speaker 3: So we might see something similar with c. J. Stroud, Like,
Speaker 3: I still don't know if he's gonna get capable offensive
Speaker 3: line play next year.
Speaker 1: It's go to forty nine Ers Cardinals. What the heck
Speaker 1: are we doing with Marvin Harrison Junior in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five rankings?
Speaker 2: Fits?
Speaker 1: I'll start with you on this one.
Speaker 3: Oh man. I've got him wide receiver thirty, directly behind
Speaker 3: Jalen Wattle, Jordan Addison, and DeVante Smith and directly ahead
Speaker 3: of Chris olave Rashi Rice who who's likely suspension is
Speaker 3: baked into that ranking, and Brandon Ayuk. And like, I
Speaker 3: don't think Kyler Murray is a great match for Marvin
Speaker 3: Harrison Junior. So I just can't get him that much higher.
Speaker 1: What do you think, tbra I?
Speaker 2: I'm with Fitz, Yeah, I think he's gonna be a
Speaker 2: wide receiver three. It is been from I mean, pick
Speaker 2: your angle. How you want to talk about this this
Speaker 2: ricky season for Marvin Rrison Junior. Whether we want to
Speaker 2: talk about we were too quick to crown Drew Petsing
Speaker 2: as a smart offensive coordinator and an ascending guy in
Speaker 2: the NFL who is arguably the run scheme has been good.
Speaker 2: But this this offense has been sputtering. And yeah, Kyler
Speaker 2: Murray has played arguably terrible for most of this season
Speaker 2: and been a roller coaster. But the other things that
Speaker 2: he's done with the utilization of Marvin Harrison Junior, like
Speaker 2: using him on field, stretching routes as a clear out
Speaker 2: guy and stuff like that is just egregious. Man, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't understand how you reconcile that. So for me,
Speaker 2: Marvin Rison Junior is a wide receiver three. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna be able to get him higher than that. Like,
Speaker 2: it's it's the usage, it's Kyler. It's the fact that
Speaker 2: still since Week nine, he's fifty sixth in separation out
Speaker 2: of eighty qualifying wide receivers. So he's got to own
Speaker 2: some of this too. I have a hard time pushing
Speaker 2: him oney higher just to play.
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate, I know, Like, relative to the hype, it's
Speaker 1: just a massive disappointment. This is still a rookie receiver
Speaker 1: in a flawed offense who has over eight hundred receiving
Speaker 1: yards as a rookie with seven touchdowns as a rookie, Like,
Speaker 1: that's not in a vacuum, A bad rookie season fits.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally agree and not bad. I agree with what
Speaker 3: Debro said in that, like the average depth of target
Speaker 3: for Marvin Harrison Junior and his rookie was way too high.
Speaker 3: And I wish we saw and I've said this on
Speaker 3: past shows, I wish we saw them scheme up easy
Speaker 3: completions the way the Bengals do with Jamar Chase. Like, yes,
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase does go deep and hit the home run ball,
Speaker 3: but like they also throw Jamar Chase bubble screens and
Speaker 3: little hitches, and like, get Marvin Harrison Junior more involved
Speaker 3: in the offense that way.
Speaker 2: Please design targets, utilize him on a freaking cross or
Speaker 2: out rounds in like, utilize him as a damn route runner,
Speaker 2: like please please.
Speaker 1: He had under sixty receptions so far this season. That's
Speaker 1: just not I just don't I just think, I just like,
Speaker 1: I just don't want to overreact to the fact that, yes,
Speaker 1: it was a letdown relative to where he was going
Speaker 1: in drafts, into the hype we had for him. And
Speaker 1: also the fact that you see three other rookies plus
Speaker 1: throwing Lad McConkie like, who have been way more productive
Speaker 1: as rookies. It's easy to say, like we thought Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior was just gonna have this historic, you know,
Speaker 1: impact and digenerational prospect, and now we're seeing neighbors do that,
Speaker 1: and Brock Bauers do that, and Brian Thomas Junior do that,
Speaker 1: and then he's also not doing it himself. But again,
Speaker 1: like eight hundred yards and seven touchdowns, still another game
Speaker 1: to go. Is like I I don't want to over
Speaker 1: so I don't want to swing too far the other
Speaker 1: way and be too low on him in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five rankings. I think I'm going to be I would
Speaker 1: guess depending on where he falls that I would I
Speaker 1: will be slightly ahead of consent on him, not significantly,
Speaker 1: but slightly for next year.
Speaker 2: No, I get that worm, I guess. My big question
Speaker 2: to counterpoint to you is like, I don't want to
Speaker 2: fade the talent and things like that. Do you have
Speaker 2: faith that this offensive coordinator, if he returns and I
Speaker 2: don't see a reason why how he doesn't, is going
Speaker 2: to learn the error of his ways and utilize this
Speaker 2: player in the way that he should.
Speaker 1: Be a good point. The situation doesn't change. Why would
Speaker 1: I think his production will? You know, I guess just
Speaker 1: have to hope. I guess let's go to Chiefs Broncos.
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about him earlier. I do
Speaker 1: want to talk about Xavier Worthy for all of his
Speaker 1: struggles this year, He's currently wide receiver thirty and half
Speaker 1: PPR scoring on the season. The way he has been
Speaker 1: talked about for a lot of the year, I would
Speaker 1: have guessed that was more like in the forties or fifties,
Speaker 1: but he's like right in the middle of wide receiver
Speaker 1: three range as a rookie who had a bad season.
Speaker 1: You know in some respects that actually he comes to
Speaker 1: wide receiver nineteen. If you just look at since since
Speaker 1: week eleven, he has been more productive. Now that's in
Speaker 1: total scoring, that's not in per game. So there's some
Speaker 1: noise built in about like some players having buys and
Speaker 1: this time with injury. But again, the point is like
Speaker 1: a midrage wide receiver three for the whole season and
Speaker 1: a midrage wide receiver two since week eleven. Debro is
Speaker 1: he somebody that you'll want to be ahead of or
Speaker 1: behind consensus on next year ahead.
Speaker 2: I want to be ahead of consensus. Fitz. He already
Speaker 2: kind of talked about Rashi Rice and baking in this suspension,
Speaker 2: we also got to talk about coming off the injury
Speaker 2: and what does that look like, and the fact that
Speaker 2: what we have seen out of Worthy since week eleven, heck,
Speaker 2: I mean really, the last three games they've installed him
Speaker 2: into this twenty five thirty percent target share role, he's
Speaker 2: responded well, and to your point, Worm, since week eleven,
Speaker 2: on a per game basis, exier Worthy is wide receiver
Speaker 2: twenty four in Fantasy points per game and also has
Speaker 2: been twenty and separation score since week eleven amongst sixty
Speaker 2: three qualifying guys. So I think we're seeing a guy
Speaker 2: that's finding his legs in this offense. And how many rookies, heck,
Speaker 2: how many players have we seen, just in general struggle
Speaker 2: beginning their careers or just struggle just in general acclimating
Speaker 2: to the Andy Reid offense, acclimating to Patrick Mahomes, acclimating
Speaker 2: to the precision that this offense and these other players
Speaker 2: around dictate and necessitate out of the wide receivers. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to be a head of consensus. Unworthy. I
Speaker 2: think we're seeing we have not seen a guy break
Speaker 2: out well, I mean, we've seen a few, like Brian
Speaker 2: Thomas Junior and such, but we haven't seen some like
Speaker 2: a ton of players go on like a Rashid Rice
Speaker 2: Amanas Saint Brown type of extended run. Worth. These kind
Speaker 2: of doing that right now in a very smaller sample
Speaker 2: size to where I think we need to probably stand
Speaker 2: up and take notice of that. But maybe that gets
Speaker 2: lost in the conversation this allseason.
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think fits I mean Worthy, He's
Speaker 1: only twenty one years old. Obviously, we've seen like Deebra
Speaker 1: highlighted players take some time to acclimate to this offense
Speaker 1: before he's finishing strong. And it's still hard for me
Speaker 1: to not just be I mean, I know I talked
Speaker 1: about earlier in this episode not being seduced by the situation,
Speaker 1: but it's still hard for me to not be like
Speaker 1: fastest player in the league paired with Mahomes. This is
Speaker 1: a good thing for fantasy. I don't feel like I
Speaker 1: have a really strong sense of where consensus will be
Speaker 1: next year, so I don't even I kind of struggle
Speaker 1: to put a number to it. To say this is
Speaker 1: too high or too low, because I don't know where
Speaker 1: he's gonna end up. But wherever he ends up, do
Speaker 1: you expect to find yourself ahead over behind? Consensus?
Speaker 3: I feel like I might be behind based on the
Speaker 3: conversation so far. Like he's one of the hardest guys
Speaker 3: to rank, or was when I put together my initial
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five rankings, I came in at wide receiver
Speaker 3: forty three, And that sounds pretty low when you say
Speaker 3: that he is, you know, like wide receiver two or
Speaker 3: wide receiver three in fantasy points per game over the
Speaker 3: last however long it's been. But we also have to
Speaker 3: factor in that, you know, we're getting injured guys back,
Speaker 3: Chris Godwin, Brandon Ayuk. You know there're gonna be some splashy,
Speaker 3: well at least one or two splashy rookie receivers coming
Speaker 3: in so and just a lot of moving parts with
Speaker 3: the chiefs like DeAndre Hopkins and Hollywood Brown being free agents.
Speaker 3: Maybe Travis Kelcey retires, Rashi Rice comes back, and I
Speaker 3: don't know how complimentary the skill sets of Rashi Rice
Speaker 3: and Holly or Xavier Worthy are because like Xavier Worthy,
Speaker 3: for all his speed is not really a vertical receiver.
Speaker 3: He's more of a catch and run guy. And obviously
Speaker 3: Rashi Rice is too, so he is a guy I'm
Speaker 3: going to be pondering a lot in the coming months
Speaker 3: before we really get into the earnest part of draft season,
Speaker 3: and like, okay, I need to figure out where exactly
Speaker 3: I am on him.
Speaker 1: De Ra, Where do you think if you want to
Speaker 1: put a number to it, like in terms of a ranking, Like, again,
Speaker 1: nobody's going to hold you to this, it's January second,
Speaker 1: But if you had to guess where you're gonna end up,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Because I hear I Wiecer forty
Speaker 1: three from fits and that does sound low to me.
Speaker 2: Uh, somewhere in the wide receiver three range. I think
Speaker 2: somewhere in that wide receiver thirty one to thirty five
Speaker 2: kind of thirty.
Speaker 1: Five, thirty sixty exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, because I think FITSI brings up a lot of
Speaker 2: really good points here. I do think there's a very
Speaker 2: big possibility considering especially if you look at the contract
Speaker 2: that Travis Kelsey has, if they go out and they
Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl this year, I think there's a
Speaker 2: very real possibility that he retires, and look, Ollywood and
Speaker 2: Hopkins are not locks to be back in this passing attack,
Speaker 2: So what are we talking about? What does this passing
Speaker 2: attack look like next year? Even with all those moving
Speaker 2: parts right now, we still know that if Kelsey comes back,
Speaker 2: he will be another year older. We've seen the falloff
Speaker 2: in the efficiency this year. And if Rice is suspended
Speaker 2: who knows how long and is coming back from a
Speaker 2: major injury Worthy Like when Rice comes back, Worthy could
Speaker 2: be the wide receiver one, and then they're trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what do we do with Rashid Rice? Not
Speaker 2: what do we do with Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 1: I will be surprised if they win the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: if Kelsey doesn't retire, like I'm I'm really that's fair.
Speaker 2: Respecting that I agree, he's got so many great things
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: I can see him retiring even if they do this,
Speaker 1: even if they fall short, like I could see that happening.
Speaker 2: Kind of feels like a very quiet last hurrah for
Speaker 2: Travis Kelce this year.
Speaker 1: It's it's what I'm expecting. Seahawks rams Kyen Williams is
Speaker 1: somebody that I definitely faded in drafts this year, and
Speaker 1: he's somebody that we haven't really talked about a lot
Speaker 1: this year because he's just done what he did the
Speaker 1: year before. He repeated his breakout success. Is he debro
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty five first round lock for you?
Speaker 2: No, And I was on the side of Kyraen Williams
Speaker 2: keeping the role on stuff. I know we were, you know,
Speaker 2: going all the way back to like okay, he was
Speaker 2: getting kick return and punt return, all kind of mess
Speaker 2: and the noise and the news that came out. Looking
Speaker 2: at the season that Kien Williams has had, I find
Speaker 2: myself a lot more concerned about what his twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five outlook is. I mean, and he's kept their role
Speaker 2: the entire year. He's been the engine to the offense.
Speaker 2: Those things are not wrong. The worries for me, and
Speaker 2: this is the conversation that we've had on this show,
Speaker 2: that we had in the offseason, that we had numerous times,
Speaker 2: was I think it's a very similar conversation. And looking
Speaker 2: at him in a way that I looked at Rashad
Speaker 2: White entering this year, it was the volume in the
Speaker 2: role are elite. But what we've seen out of Kiren
Speaker 2: last year before he got hurt, he was awesome on
Speaker 2: a per touch basis. The change this year is he's
Speaker 2: retained the elite role, but his per touch efficiency has
Speaker 2: fallen off the map. Like forty two qualifying running backs,
Speaker 2: this dude is outside the top thirty and explosive run rate,
Speaker 2: mistackles forced, and yards of the contact per attempt. This
Speaker 2: could be a situation where we all go back into
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five expecting for him to keep that role.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be shocked if Blake Korum outplays
Speaker 2: him and takes the role in twenty twenty five, much
Speaker 2: like Bucky Irving did Rashad White this year.
Speaker 1: Fits Where are you ranking Kiren RB eleven?
Speaker 3: I'm with de bro not a slam done more of
Speaker 3: an early second for me than a late first. And
Speaker 3: like I'm not trying to be a Kyriene hater, I've
Speaker 3: got him ranked directly ahead of two running backs who
Speaker 3: you know I love wherem Jonathan Taylor and Chase Brown.
Speaker 3: So like, I think that burnishes my cred as a
Speaker 3: non Kyriene Hayter. Let me ask you guys this Kyrien
Speaker 3: Williams or Christian McCaffrey for next year.
Speaker 1: If they're talking about him like he's fully healthy, I
Speaker 1: think I'll go McCaffrey.
Speaker 2: I take McCaffrey and I want to be I want
Speaker 2: to have Chase Brown ahead of Kyrien Williams. That's the
Speaker 2: other name that that that jumped out to me, Fitz.
Speaker 3: I'm sort of baking in that the Bengals are going
Speaker 3: to add someone at running back. I really think they will.
Speaker 3: I just like don't think they can afford to. Chase
Speaker 3: Brown isn't a big guy. I know he can handle
Speaker 3: the workload and did when he was at the University
Speaker 3: of Illinois. I just don't know if like that's the
Speaker 3: best business model for keeping him healthy. But yeah, the
Speaker 3: thing is like, if you put Christian McCaffrey and Kyron Williams,
Speaker 3: if they're both healthy and both have neutral matchups, I
Speaker 3: think I'm like ranking Kyri cmc ahead of Kyron pretty
Speaker 3: much every time there, you know.
Speaker 2: So, do you have any any worries about about him
Speaker 2: next year? Yeah? With us seeing Moore quorum, because that's
Speaker 2: my biggest thing. Like, I really have a lot of
Speaker 2: worries about that.
Speaker 3: It could be man, I've gotten burn making assumptions about
Speaker 3: how Sean McVay is going to deploy his running backs before, so.
Speaker 1: We all have let's go to Chargers Raiders. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about talking with a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of rookies on this show. A lad mccacky had double
Speaker 1: digit Fantasy points in seven of his last nine games.
Speaker 1: He finished exactly one catch shy of a top twelve
Speaker 1: wide receiver season as a rookie. This is obviously not
Speaker 1: including Week eighteen, but very close to being a wide
Speaker 1: receiver one as a rookie, almost under the radar. I
Speaker 1: feel like, not that people didn't know he's having a
Speaker 1: good season, but that productive. If the Chargers make a
Speaker 1: big addition at the position in the off season, maybe
Speaker 1: it's Stee Higgins, maybe it's a draft pick, maybe it's
Speaker 1: something else. Do you think mccacky's going to drop significantly
Speaker 1: for you in your rankings, Debro, or do you expect
Speaker 1: him to see good target share again? Really, no matter
Speaker 1: who they add for next year.
Speaker 2: I think depending on what they do in the offseason,
Speaker 2: and I do think that they're going to either add
Speaker 2: you know, a ballyho tight end prospect, or they do
Speaker 2: add a wide receiver. Heck, maybe they add both this offseason.
Speaker 2: Assuming they only add one talented pass catcher in this offseason,
Speaker 2: He's going to be a top twenty, top twenty four
Speaker 2: wide receiver for me, He's just been flat out fricking awesome, man. Like,
Speaker 2: no matter what metric you pull about Ladd McConkey, you
Speaker 2: want to talk about separation score, you want to talk
Speaker 2: about man coverage, you want to talk about yards per
Speaker 2: route run, you want to talk about all these different
Speaker 2: freaking things, he has been nothing short of awesome. Like
Speaker 2: since we gave wide receiver eleven in Fantasy points per
Speaker 2: game and the other thing I'll bring up here real
Speaker 2: fast because I'm really curious of where fits he sits
Speaker 2: on this. We've seen Greg Roman kind of like show
Speaker 2: some different colors this year, Like we've seen high pass
Speaker 2: rates in some of these games. We've seen higher pass
Speaker 2: rate over expectation. You add weapons to this offense, the
Speaker 2: offensive line is good. Could this quietly be a top
Speaker 2: twelve passing rate team in twenty twenty five? Dude, if
Speaker 2: it is, Lad mcconkee, wheels up, baby.
Speaker 3: It's yeah. It's crazy that I'm no longer that concerned
Speaker 3: about the Greg Roman offense, like bogging down the Justin
Speaker 3: Herbert and the pass catchers in this offense. I've got
Speaker 3: McConkie ranked wide receiver fifteen. I don't know if there's
Speaker 3: a potential signing or draft pick who could prompt me
Speaker 3: to drop McConkie in the rankings more than a spot
Speaker 3: or two. Maybe T Higgins, that's about it. I don't
Speaker 3: think there's any other outside receiver in this draft who
Speaker 3: could do it. I don't think there's any other free
Speaker 3: agent wide receiver who could do it. And by the way,
Speaker 3: where I'm about like the premium tight end possibility or
Speaker 3: maybe you just mentioned that de bro like, I know
Speaker 3: Warren is the man of the hour after that performance
Speaker 3: against Boise State, But Colston Loveland from Michigan to Jim
Speaker 3: Harbaugh in the Ladys, I know that's the.
Speaker 4: Name I keep thinking of too, Baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great call.
Speaker 3: That's the name.
Speaker 2: And to your point, FITZI, I think that that brings
Speaker 2: up something that kind of got like I got lost on.
Speaker 2: But as you were like unpacking everything, I could make
Speaker 2: you a really good case that's signing T Higgins or
Speaker 2: bringing somebody else in there just does nothing but help
Speaker 2: laid mcconkeye both by. If we have more weapons, we're
Speaker 2: going to pass the ball more and taking defensive attention
Speaker 2: away from Lamb mcconky. So to me, I think there's
Speaker 2: a better case to be made of Bro, like we
Speaker 2: should probably be really high on Lamb McConkey, regardless of
Speaker 2: whatever the hell happens. As all, did you say, d Bro?
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 1: Fit said, did you say what where you're gonna rank?
Speaker 2: And me think top twenty four wide receiver, probably top twenty,
Speaker 2: Like I'm with FITZI I think I think the better
Speaker 2: conversation is probably he should be top fifteen.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be more likely to be top
Speaker 1: fifteen for me than top twenty. Like I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's the same thing.
Speaker 2: But like I I heard them high player that somebody
Speaker 2: in our Dynasty League might have traded four weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you really want to bring up
Speaker 1: the Dynasty League as No, that's all I want to say.
Speaker 1: I down a in a real nail bighter. I took
Speaker 1: down our colleague who we've mentioned all the time, Mike
Speaker 1: Mayer to win the title. So my personally, my productive
Speaker 1: struggle went quite well because this is year three of
Speaker 1: the league and I had the number one pick.
Speaker 2: To your biggest all season problem is what do I
Speaker 2: do with Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: Well, thankfully I have Thankfully I have Bowers, so Pitts
Speaker 1: is my backup tight end. But yeah, that was That
Speaker 1: was a fun league, and thank you for giving me
Speaker 1: the opportunity to That was actually the only league I
Speaker 1: won this year I got. I had so many teams
Speaker 1: make the semi finals and then just got wiped out
Speaker 1: in week sixteen and seventeen. So it was really nice
Speaker 1: to win one, especially since it was this kind of
Speaker 1: Dynasty league against against a bunch of ringers, I mean
Speaker 1: the guy even the guys who aren't on the show
Speaker 1: are really sharp that work here, and it was I
Speaker 1: was very happy to win to win that one.
Speaker 2: So shout out to Jonathan and sending you know, various stute.
Speaker 2: He is one of the hardest people to sit here
Speaker 2: and negotiate with trades. Shout out to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jonathan's great. A lot of what I really like
Speaker 1: about that league, just as quick aside, is that people
Speaker 1: are very willing to trade. It is the most most
Speaker 1: transactions I have ever had in any league I've ever
Speaker 1: played in Dynasty or otherwise. Like, people are willing to
Speaker 1: make moves in that league, and I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, super fun. We'll see if I can go
Speaker 1: back to back next year. We got two games left
Speaker 1: here Dolphins Jets. John new Smith was tight end for
Speaker 1: this season remarkably. Is this his new normal debro or
Speaker 1: are we going to look back on this year as
Speaker 1: an outlier?
Speaker 2: I think as the top five tight end, it's going
Speaker 2: to be an outlier. I think looking at him moving
Speaker 2: forward as a tight end one or as a top
Speaker 2: eight to ten guy is probably the better lens to
Speaker 2: be John ou Smith. Just I just I have the hardest,
Speaker 2: hardest idea looking at twenty twenty five, and I have
Speaker 2: the hardest problem of looking at this offense. And just
Speaker 2: I would love to be in a room with Mike
Speaker 2: McDaniel and to say, why do you hate Jalen Wattle
Speaker 2: so much? Like? Why? Like he has to be a
Speaker 2: bigger part of this offense moving forward in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: And that to me that bumps John who down a
Speaker 2: little bit because I just I don't understand why they
Speaker 2: don't utilize Wattle more.
Speaker 1: Where are you going to be drafting John wu Fits.
Speaker 3: I've got him ranked tight end seven, So I guess
Speaker 3: I'm cautiously optimistic he can maintain like mid range tight
Speaker 3: end one value, like he showed that a tight end
Speaker 3: can in fact thrive in a Mike McDaniel offense. And
Speaker 3: I think the Tuo a tongue of I low a
Speaker 3: preservation plan is to avoid uh, you know, like having
Speaker 3: him hold the ball for long periods of time and
Speaker 3: get rid of it quickly, and that plays into John
Speaker 3: Wu like perfectly, you know, like John Wu catches a
Speaker 3: lot of those little quick throws from Tuah. So if
Speaker 3: the Tua preservation plan continues into twenty twenty five, I
Speaker 3: think I'm optimistic about how John's going to do.
Speaker 1: What what vindication for Arthur Smith that we're ranking Johnny
Speaker 1: Smith ahead of Kyle Pitts going into next season. Good
Speaker 1: for you. Evoke his name in the show do it
Speaker 1: worm John O Smith or Tucker Craft next year fits ooh,
Speaker 1: John U Debra.
Speaker 2: I have them ranked back to back.
Speaker 1: I thought that would be a good name.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go John. I'm gonna go Johnny too, only
Speaker 2: because the floor in this rotation of cast of characters
Speaker 2: is I don't think it stops, and it's oh, it's
Speaker 2: so frustrating.
Speaker 1: Is Mark Andrews ahead of Johnny for both of you?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah he is. He is.
Speaker 2: Hockensoner Johnny Hawk. I think it is a very good
Speaker 2: I think I would go hot. That's where I'm out, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I just want to quickly ask, on the other side
Speaker 1: of this game, who is the Jets starting quarterback going
Speaker 1: to be in Week one of twenty twenty five? Debro
Speaker 1: Man I went back and forth.
Speaker 2: This is probably the question, honestly, like prepping for this
Speaker 2: show that I spent the longest on because I'm like,
Speaker 2: I I'm gonna go with a Really, maybe this is
Speaker 2: an uninspiring answer. I think the Jets walk into Week one,
Speaker 2: or at least camp next year with Tyro Taylor still
Speaker 2: on the roster, and I think he competes for the
Speaker 2: starting job with one Justin Fields. Interesting, So maybe maybe
Speaker 2: I'm off the wall here, But that's honestly, maybe that's
Speaker 2: the best case scenario.
Speaker 1: For I wonder how if that's the case, guys like
Speaker 1: Bresall and Garrett Wilson will be ranked. If it's that
Speaker 1: kind of quarterback situation. Garrett's still in New York Jet, well,
Speaker 1: he'll still be a Jet if they get rid of
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, right, so yeah, fits, what what do you
Speaker 1: think who do you think is gonna be? And they're
Speaker 1: picking seventh, by the way, as of right now, Tankathon,
Speaker 1: so not in a position to even really get a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And by the way, we don't love the quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: this class, So if they have to look elsewhere like
Speaker 1: free agency, like could they he's a Sam Darnald reunion, Like,
Speaker 1: who do you think is it would be their quarterback?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Sam Donald reunion seems pretty improbable. They are
Speaker 3: out of Shaduer Sanders, cam Ward Range, and I don't
Speaker 3: know if those guys are automatic Week one starters anyway,
Speaker 3: Deebro actually stole my answer here. I was gonna say
Speaker 3: Justin Fields. Also, it just makes sense unrestricted free agents,
Speaker 3: so like, there are not many unrestricted free agent quarterbacks
Speaker 3: who are starting caliber, and Justin Fields is one of them.
Speaker 3: I don't think Rogers is coming back. I don't think
Speaker 3: the Jets are gonna let Jordan Travis be their Week
Speaker 3: one starter. I don't think the Jets are trading for
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins. They've already tried one senior citizen quarterback. It
Speaker 3: didn't work. They're not going to go that route again.
Speaker 3: It just Fields makes a lot of sense, and I
Speaker 3: think he's going to be pretty reasonably priced for free
Speaker 3: agent quarterback who actually could start, And like, I don't
Speaker 3: know how many teams are going to be clamoring for
Speaker 3: his services.
Speaker 1: I thought they should have taken Fields in that draft
Speaker 1: instead of Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3: So chance to right the wrong possibles, right, I Mulligan,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't really want to. I know we're about to
Speaker 2: tail into the last game we're going to discuss here.
Speaker 2: I don't want to tail into this conversation too much,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna do it anyway. If you're the New
Speaker 2: York Jets, do you go off for the number seventh
Speaker 2: overall pick to the Minnesota Vikings for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: They like I would, but yes I can.
Speaker 2: I was much higher on Jay.
Speaker 1: If I were the Jets, I would. I would make
Speaker 1: that offer. Yes I would.
Speaker 3: What do you think fits not after a major injury
Speaker 3: that like he needed a this much time to recover
Speaker 3: from like that, I can knock him beyond top ten
Speaker 3: draft capital.
Speaker 1: For me, I just think like it's it's so hard,
Speaker 1: like it's also not a very good class, so it's
Speaker 1: not like that seventh pick you're thinking, oh, well, like
Speaker 1: maybe I could get like the third best quarterback in
Speaker 1: this class or whatever and have it be good. It's
Speaker 1: just not that type of year.
Speaker 2: It probably doesn't happen. I mean, like, really, if you're
Speaker 2: the Deaths and you really want to like you probably
Speaker 2: need to burn tear this down to the studs and
Speaker 2: just read to rebuild it all. So not nothing that happens.
Speaker 2: They probably a better candidate to trade down. I just
Speaker 2: thought it was an interesting thought.
Speaker 1: Ex we're going long on this episode, so let's just
Speaker 1: get to this last game so we get people out
Speaker 1: of here. Before we get to the key question for
Speaker 1: Sunday Nights matchup, I want to ask you guys about
Speaker 1: your Uber Eats Sunday Night Meals of the Week debro.
Speaker 1: What must order food gets you reaching for your Uber
Speaker 1: Eats app for great game day deals when you think
Speaker 1: of Detroit.
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm not gonna lie. I went down the rabbit
Speaker 2: hole of like looking through all the foods that Detroit
Speaker 2: is known for the most niche, amazing thing that I found,
Speaker 2: and I had to bring it up here A corned
Speaker 2: beef egg roll just sounds great, absolutely amazing. It sounds
Speaker 2: like a slice of heaven. So I'm going with that.
Speaker 1: I like that pick fits, how about you?
Speaker 3: Apparently, much like Chicago, Detroit is a big town for Punchke's.
Speaker 3: They are polish donuts popular around Lent, especially popular around Lent.
Speaker 3: They're a staple of our house around that time of year,
Speaker 3: and they're delicious. So apparently they're big in Detroit, and
Speaker 3: you stole my answer, Worm, So I'll settle for punch Gi.
Speaker 1: I was gonna make a joke about like, oh, when
Speaker 1: I think of Detroit, I think of EM and M,
Speaker 1: So I'll order some EM and M's. But I went
Speaker 1: with an actual meal, which is Detroit style pizza, which
Speaker 1: I have actually never had. And the reason I'm picking
Speaker 1: because I've always wanted to try it because I think
Speaker 1: it looks delicious. It looks like a style of pizza
Speaker 1: I would really like, and I've just never been in
Speaker 1: a position to have it.
Speaker 2: So fit.
Speaker 1: You said it was gonna be your pick. Are you
Speaker 1: a big Detroit stal pizza fan?
Speaker 3: I am worm in. There as a place I will
Speaker 3: take you in Las Vegas that has fabulous Detroit style pizza. Oh, I.
Speaker 1: Do tend to like New York style pizza better than
Speaker 1: like Deep Dish Chicago, But I like that Detroit isn't
Speaker 1: like it seems like again I haven't tried it, but
Speaker 1: like not quite as extreme as like a true Deep Dish,
Speaker 1: And I think I would like the thicker kind of
Speaker 1: like pan crust style a lot, so I would love
Speaker 1: to try it. There you have it, our Uber Eats
Speaker 1: Sunday Night meals of the week. We got Detroit style pizza.
Speaker 1: We've got I don't even know how to pronounce Fitz's,
Speaker 1: and we've got the and we've got the corn beef
Speaker 1: pork rolls or I already forgot with Deebro said, what
Speaker 1: was yours? Again? This is a corn beef beef ag Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: I forgot to write him down trying to remember it's
Speaker 1: the last one of these for the year. That's why, Dad.
Speaker 1: All I really remember was the Detroit style pizza. Uber
Speaker 1: Eats does have the best game day deals all season long.
Speaker 1: That's something you can't forget. Order now for game Day
Speaker 1: all right, guys, A key question here on the Viking side.
Speaker 1: You made a good point that we could have talked about.
Speaker 1: Sam Darnald. I have been really operating under the assumption
Speaker 1: that they are just going to go to JJ McCarthy,
Speaker 1: that they are going to stick with the plan. As
Speaker 1: good as Donald has been, they are going to say
Speaker 1: he really benefited from the setup he's in and could
Speaker 1: they could continue to benefit. Sure, but I think it's
Speaker 1: more possible now than I would have thought weeks or
Speaker 1: months ago that then the fact the possibility that they
Speaker 1: would keep him. But I'm still operating in the assumption
Speaker 1: that JJ McCarthy will be the started quarterback next year.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to pose a question about a different player,
Speaker 1: and it's Jordan Addison. He was wide receiver sixteen on
Speaker 1: a per game basis this season, so not far off
Speaker 1: from a wide receiver one. Do you expect to rank
Speaker 1: him debro higher or lower than sixteenth at the position
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five rankings.
Speaker 2: I think lower, but not a ton lower. And again
Speaker 2: I'm just owning ls left and right here the growth
Speaker 2: that we've seen from Jordan Addison because if you look
Speaker 2: at all the per route metrics in his rookie season,
Speaker 2: he relied on touchdowns. It was insane touchdown luck, like
Speaker 2: that run out of his rookie season. It wasn't the
Speaker 2: target earning opportunity, it wasn't the yards, it wasn't anything
Speaker 2: else that we think is sticky looking at wide receivers
Speaker 2: moving forward, he has improved all those metrics. He has
Speaker 2: taken a huge step forward in the second half. Because
Speaker 2: if you look at it, and I know everybody likes
Speaker 2: to kindly look away, the beginning of his season was
Speaker 2: not pretty. He was a wide receiver for he wasn't
Speaker 2: doing anything, and he has really turned it on in
Speaker 2: the second part of this season. The reason I can't
Speaker 2: go higher or have him in that range of where
Speaker 2: he's producing right now, I think another year off the injury,
Speaker 2: we see a revitalization of TJ. Hockinson, who's still not
Speaker 2: truly a hundred percent right now. So I think Hawk
Speaker 2: being a much bigger part of this offense in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five hurts Addison's some, although I think he still
Speaker 2: needs to be a top twenty four wide receiver fits
Speaker 2: what do you think.
Speaker 3: I've got Addison ranked wide receiver twenty eight, and I
Speaker 3: suspect him going to be like four or five spots
Speaker 3: behind consensus on him. But justin Jefferson isn't going anywhere.
Speaker 3: As Debro mentioned, we're going to get a better version
Speaker 3: of TJ. Hockinson, and for that matter, we're going to
Speaker 3: get a whole season of TJ. Hockinson, which we didn't
Speaker 3: get this year. And more than that, it's less about
Speaker 3: the target competition and more about rather than having Sam
Speaker 3: Darnold in a career year, we're going to get a
Speaker 3: young and inexperienced JJ McCarthy, most likely at quarterback for
Speaker 3: the Vikings, which you know, I think is going to
Speaker 3: drive down Addison's value a bit.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask on the other side of this
Speaker 1: one too, I'm expecting the consensus top two tight ends
Speaker 1: next year to be Brock Bowers and Trey McBride. Maybe
Speaker 1: that'll be proven wrong, but I would have to imagine
Speaker 1: that's the clear number one and the clear number two
Speaker 1: in that order. How many names besides those two will
Speaker 1: you guys be taking ahead of Sam Laporta, who obviously
Speaker 1: had a brock Bowers esque rookie season not quite as impressive,
Speaker 1: but you know this like borderline historic, like really really
Speaker 1: shockingly great rookie year, but took a step back this year,
Speaker 1: not always seemingly through any fault of his own. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of mouths to feed. He's been better
Speaker 1: in the second half year than he was in the
Speaker 1: first half of the year, so kind of taking all
Speaker 1: of that in consideration over the last two years for Laporta,
Speaker 1: Fits will start with you, besides Bowers and McBride, how
Speaker 1: many other names are you taking ahead of him next year?
Speaker 3: Only one? But I would take this guy at least
Speaker 3: a full round ahead of Sam Laporta. George Kettle yep,
Speaker 3: and same for you, Debro justin On.
Speaker 2: So that is I mean Fits, He's right reading off
Speaker 2: by damn notes man, I love it. That is the
Speaker 2: only player, legit, And we also need to give a
Speaker 2: little bit of shine George Kittle the tight end one
Speaker 2: this season because I haven't heard that discussed a ton.
Speaker 2: He's been awesome and I don't think it. I don't
Speaker 2: think any of anything changes or falls off of him.
Speaker 2: So it's only George Kittle for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think of who I would even
Speaker 1: besides Kittle, who you guys both have ahead, Who would
Speaker 1: even pit against Laporta in like a head to head
Speaker 1: debate Like Hockinson you know is a good But there
Speaker 1: are he does have both Addison and Justin Jefferson, and theoretically,
Speaker 1: you know, essentially a rookie quarterback in his first year
Speaker 1: coming off an injury, you know, Mark Andrews. I think
Speaker 1: we'll get a lot of touchdowns, but the yardage just
Speaker 1: isn't there. And another year older, he's getting up there.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Tucker Kraft is a guy I really like, but I
Speaker 1: don't think I could really take him ahead of Laporta.
Speaker 1: Like there's not a lot of names in that range
Speaker 1: that I would go in and say, oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: really want to invest in this guy ahead of somebody
Speaker 1: who we've seen the ceiling of Laporta.
Speaker 2: I think I think the conversation is Laporta versus Hawkinson.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm at.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably about right. Awesome. We got through
Speaker 1: a lot of matchups here. We've done a lot of
Speaker 1: these key questions this season. Boys, it has been a
Speaker 1: very fun year. I love doing this show. I say
Speaker 1: it every season, but this is, you know, maybe my
Speaker 1: most favorite fun show of the week. I always have
Speaker 1: a good time. Fun to be looking ahead to twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. Already it's only January second, and we're already
Speaker 1: thinking about those August drafts. I cannot wait for more
Speaker 1: off season discussions to come again. Best of luck to
Speaker 1: anybody who is forced to play in Week eighteen. Hopefully
Speaker 1: that is not you. Hopefully you were just listening to
Speaker 1: a preview the week and to a think about twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five a bit more. But I hope you boys
Speaker 1: had a good New Year's and holiday time with your
Speaker 1: respective families. For debro and fits, I'm Ryan Warmley. Thank
Speaker 1: you everybody for tuning in both today and all season long,
Speaker 1: and we'll see again next time. Thanks for listening to
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