1 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: and today on the show, it's Baby Mayhem. We're talking 4 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: about giant babies from a variety of big megafauna and 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: all of the shenanigans these little babies get up to, 6 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: from elk to elephants to the biggest animal in the 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: world that has ever existed. We are talking about fairly 8 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: large babies and how they live their lives, how they 9 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: baby round, and how essentially every animal baby is pretty 10 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: much the same. Joining me today is proprietress of the 11 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: website how to Eat La and host of the smart 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: Mouth podcast, Catherine Spires. Welcome. Thank you so much for 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: having me back on. I love being here. I am 14 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: so excited to have you on. You told me about 15 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: a elk story that you have involving baby Elk, which 16 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: is the whole reason I'm doing this. So can you 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: share your baby elk observations? Yeah, yeah, okay. So my 18 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: parents live in Utah, in like semi rural Utah, and 19 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: there's a herd of elk that lives in their neighborhood. 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: And so in the fall, there's just like I don't know, 21 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: about two hundred elk just wandering about and you might 22 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: wake up one morning and they're all in your yard 23 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: or something like that. I was there in November and 24 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: December and their backyard. Imagine like the house with a 25 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: hill immediately behind it in the backyard, a hill that 26 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: goes down and then there's a flat land and then 27 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: it goes up again. So if you can imagine like 28 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: a natural coliseum, yeah type thing, I'm imagining the stands 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: of like elk sitting. That's pretty much it's blogs. Yeah, 30 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: like one elk going around with big pretzels hanging from antlers, Yeah, 31 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: selling them. Yeah, that's you're totally on points. Okay. So 32 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: we were looking out in the backyard one day and 33 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: the whole herd of elk was there, which isn't like 34 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: crazy but obviously like very cool every time that you 35 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: see it. I mean, not crazy in the sense of 36 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: not being unexpected. And we've realized that they're sort of 37 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: like circled up and two of the dudes are like 38 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: in the middle of the arena. They've got like they're 39 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: the biggest dudes, and they've got the biggest horns, and 40 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: they're sort of circling each other, and we realized that 41 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: there's two more dudes like on either side of the arena, 42 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: and I was like, are these they're like rather seconds 43 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: for the duel? Yeah? Yeah, And then like all the 44 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: ladies and all the babies are just like hanging about, 45 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: and then the two big dudes started getting closer and 46 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: closer to each other, and we were like, oh my god, 47 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: this is going to be some sort of epic battles. 48 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: They're going to be bloodshed I nervous. I was like, 49 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: I don't really want to see this. And then they 50 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: locked horns and just stood there with their horns locked, 51 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: going see ee at each other for like forty five minutes. 52 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: And that was the fight, and we couldn't tell who 53 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,279 Speaker 1: won except for that one of them. When he separated, 54 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: he went to his second and headbutted him a bunch 55 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: of times, like he must have lost because he's like 56 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: embarrassed in taking it out on his homie right now. 57 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: So that was great. But my favorite part was what 58 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: happened next. Is like as the dudes had their horns 59 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: locked or their antlers locked, the baby started getting like 60 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: more hyper. Yeah, like there was like more bouncing, yeah, 61 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: and then when the fight was over, they were so 62 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: hyped up. All the baby elks were just like running 63 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: in circles and then they would do this thing where 64 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: they would sort of like practice punch trees. That's like 65 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: they were just kind of like and then they'd sort 66 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: of like stand up on their hind legs like sort 67 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: of near each other and sort of make the headbutting 68 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: motion like they were practicing. And then a couple and 69 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: they were probably boys, kind of like ran towards dudes 70 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: who had been fighting and sort of made like a 71 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: vague headbutting emotion and then would run away. Really that's 72 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: so cute. Oh my god, it was amazing and I 73 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: can't stop thinking about it because I do think that 74 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: animals have more of like I don't know, awareness and 75 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: maybe emotional intelligence that we give them credit for. But 76 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: I was like, this is exactly how little kids human 77 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: kids behave when something exciting goes on with adults. Yeah, no, absolutely, 78 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: I mean they're playing, they're like what it's like watching 79 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: sports and then acting out they see having fun and 80 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: playing so everything, Like, I really don't think you're projecting 81 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: in terms of emotions there I think that you really 82 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: were seeing like what you think you were seeing that 83 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: they're playing. Yeah, they're copying what they're seeing. They're very 84 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: excited and they're you know, they're trying to get involved, 85 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: like doing the little the playful headbuts and yeah, we're 86 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna talk about the importance of play with 87 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:14,559 Speaker 1: baby elk and also other animals. But they let's first 88 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: talk about what are elk. Elk are large ungulates. They're 89 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: the largest deer or they're they they're the second largest 90 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: member of the deer family, the first largest being moose. 91 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: Elk live in North America as well as in Central 92 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: and East Asia. They have very large antlers, and like 93 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: all antlers, they're actually made out of living bone. So 94 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: when antlers grow, they like when they're growing in and 95 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: the spring, are covered in this like soft, slightly furry 96 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: skin called velvet, which actually they will shed that off 97 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: and it comes off in strips and sometimes they eat 98 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: like the strips as they're shedding off, so it's kind 99 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: of like a me jerky, like a self jerkey that 100 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: they're eating. Gross. Yeah, it's kind of like it's kind 101 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: of like when you eat, like when you chew up 102 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: a little piece of your cuticle and you're just like, well, 103 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: I don't know where else to put it. But yeah, 104 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: they are there nutrients in it. Yeah, it's meat essentially, 105 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: they get some nutrients from it. And deer and are 106 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: not above just slurping up random little bits of meat 107 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: sometimes like in fact, sometimes like elk and deer, Like 108 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: if there's a carcass, they might be like, oh what's 109 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: this and nibble a little bit off of it. Obviously 110 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: they are herbivores, but once in a while they might 111 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: eat a little bit of meat just you know, if 112 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: they find it. That makes sense to me. I feel 113 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: that moose have bloodlust. This is my firmly held belief 114 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: they do, you know. I mean if you see, like, 115 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: I've never seen a moose in person, but I've definitely 116 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: seen the scale of a moose, and I have seen 117 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: like a taxi dermied moose like from a natural history 118 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: museum in purpose in person, and they are really frightening. Yeah, 119 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: they're scary. I I think I would not be able 120 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: to handle seeing a moose in real life. Yeah. Yeah, 121 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: people think that they can don't know what they're talking about. 122 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: It's a very bad ideas. Yeah, we're gonna yeah, we're 123 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: gonna be talking about bad ideas. So as you observed exactly, 124 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: males will compete for mating opportunities by bellowing at each 125 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: other or showing off their antlers. Uh. They'll try to 126 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: avoid a confrontation at first by assessing who would be 127 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,679 Speaker 1: the likely winner, but if neither backs down, they'll they'll 128 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: engage in a fight by ramming their antlers together, which 129 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: is a very risky activity. They could be seriously injured. 130 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: They could even die. Both of them could get could 131 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: die if they get too entangled. It's it's kind of 132 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: like medieval jousting, right like it's a it's a it's 133 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: a serious activity that they're isking. So that's why they 134 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: try at first to sort of see who they think 135 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: is gonna win. So, but then if they can't make 136 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: a determination, if neither backs down, then they engage in 137 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: the fight because they don't really want to be killed 138 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: or hurt, but they do have to compete in order 139 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: to have access to females. Is the antler locking Is 140 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: that the fight itself or is that like the pre fight? 141 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: That is that is the fight itself? Like locking the antlers, 142 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: Usually they they'll like shake it around. Sometimes they'll kick 143 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: with their front legs, so it's that is a that 144 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: is a fight. Sometimes they'll spar which is usually it's 145 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: just a little less dramatic, so they'll they will sort 146 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: of like butt heads or sort of kind of lock 147 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: their antlers together, but in a way that's a little 148 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: more testing. So like when they're sparring, it's you know, 149 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: usually younger males who aren't quite at the level of 150 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: like the big dominant ball. Uh, they'll they'll kind of 151 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: like do these like sparring where it kind of looks 152 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: like they're fighting, but there it's just a little bit 153 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: more brief and it's a little it's less serious. They're 154 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: not actually like what you saw with the loser, like 155 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: butting heads with the other male that may have been 156 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: sort of like a a sparring thing of like why 157 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: what did I get wrong? Why am I? Why do 158 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: I suck at this? And then for sure yeah and uh, 159 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: and also what the babies were doing, which is like 160 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: sort of mimicking the motion sparring with each other, kicking 161 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: at trees, like that's all a form of play that 162 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: helps them learn how to fight with rival mails without 163 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: actually risking their lives right, like because because the idea 164 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: is like you want to become you want to get 165 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: good at it, and you want to avoid being seriously injured. 166 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: And but but yeah, it's still the competition is so 167 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: fierce that they have to get good at it and 168 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: so like that that's that's where that playfulness comes from. 169 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, you could tell that, like even though 170 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: they were playing and not really making contact, there'd always 171 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: be one that would back down first. I also wondered, 172 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: so after the excitement, all the women, the women, this 173 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: is I feel like a lot of my friends will 174 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: just call female animals women and it's very funny to me, 175 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: and I don't I don't feel like correcting it, just 176 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: because it's very funny to me a lot of women. 177 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: And by women, I mean I mean I mean female elk. Yes, 178 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: they they all just sort of sat down. It was. 179 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: It was just so interesting. I felt like, yeah, okay, 180 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: the dudes are going at it. And then once they 181 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: knew no one was seriously injured, they were like, enough 182 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: with you. I'm like going back to my knitting type thing. 183 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: But I want when they're little. Was was I only 184 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: seeing the boy babies playfight or were the girl babies 185 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: that it's probably mostly males, but I wouldn't be surprised 186 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: if female young also engage in some of the play fighting. 187 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: Like I think that it definitely once they get a 188 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: little older, like when their adolescent. So I don't think 189 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: the females do it, but like the real real young 190 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: babies are probably just gonna play around, jump around, so 191 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: they may also get pretty excited. But the you know, 192 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: probably the ones that were more aggressively sparring were most 193 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: likely the males, right like okay, kind of like like 194 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: when my dog was a puppy, she observed a dog 195 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: humping another dog and she's like, well, that looks like fun. 196 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: So then she tried it out, but she got it wrong. 197 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: So and so like going from the back, she did 198 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: it like perpendicular to the dogs, so like kind of sideways, uh. 199 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: And it was just sort of like resting her paws 200 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: sideways on the dog's back and sort of like doing 201 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: at like hit movement sort of like she was toerking, 202 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: and it was very funny. Oh my god, that's amazing. Yeah. 203 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: Oh you mentioned bellowing. The male's bellowing when they're fighting, 204 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: but the noise I heard, like we all felt so 205 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: embarrassed for the boy elks. It was just such. It's 206 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: a little it's a very funny noise. It's called bugling. 207 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: Let me play it. Let me play the American elk 208 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: bugling sound for you, because you'll see what Catherine is saying. 209 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: It's not it's not quite the manly roar that one 210 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: might think would be a dominant cry. But yeah, it's 211 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: more high pitched. It's kind of like it's it's called bugling. 212 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: I guess because it sounds like a bugle, I mean, 213 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: a really terrible bugle. But but yeah, that's a call 214 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: to tract, attract the females to stick out their territory, 215 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: sometimes as like a warning to another male. And yes, 216 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: it's it's considered peak maskalinity in the elk elk world, 217 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: sort of a a little bit of a Byork thing. 218 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,599 Speaker 1: I don't want to be mean to Byork. She's she 219 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: does good songs, but there's a little bit of what 220 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: she's doing. She does know what she's doing. Yeah, when 221 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: it's no coincidence that when Byork sings they have to 222 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: watch out for female elk, just going like, huh, what 223 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: was that all? Across Iceland. York's great. Actually, yeah, in Iceland, 224 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't. They wouldn't have elk, they would have reindeer. 225 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: And those are indeed a kind of deer. Yes, yes, reindeer. 226 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: They're real. They're not full of Christmas magic, but they are. 227 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: They're real deer. So yeah, and elk are actually kind 228 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: of freaks. They love urine, So males have urethra is 229 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: specifically designed to direct p at a ninety degree angle 230 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: up at their own fur so that they it's kind 231 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: of like a cologne that females will smell and be 232 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: attracted to. Males also create pea baths called wallows, where 233 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: they pee in shallow ditches that they kind of dig 234 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: out and then they roll around in the urine, so 235 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, whoa, that's nasty they look. It's uh, it's 236 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: all done for the ladies because lady elk really do 237 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: love the fresh smell of uh ppe ppe colonna ota toilette, 238 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: but very literal, it's really the lady elk that are 239 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: the freaks. Yeah, although the males also like to smell 240 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: the ladies while they're peeing, so you know it's they're 241 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: all free. Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, they're Also they're 242 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: also extremely dangerous, particularly during calving season and when they 243 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: have calves around, so they do not passively accept intruders 244 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: and they will stomp you to smithereens if they think 245 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: you're a threat. Again, these are the second largest ungulates, 246 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: only dwarfed by moose, so they're quite large, quite dangerous. 247 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: According to the Yellowstone National Park Service, during the calving 248 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: season in the spring, elk are super dangerous. They will 249 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: stomp you, they will attack you if you get too 250 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: close to them and their babies. They have a warning 251 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: on their website called warning Elk Calving has Begun. Cow 252 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: Elk are much more aggressive towards people during the calving 253 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: season and may charge or kick. Stay alert, look around 254 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: corners before exiting buildings or walking around blind spots. Cow 255 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: Elk may bed their calves near buildings and cars. Keep 256 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: at least twenty five yards from elk at all times. 257 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: If an elk charge does, you find shelter in your 258 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: v or behind a tall, s dirty barrier as quickly 259 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: as possible. You are responsible for your own safety. So elk's. 260 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: Elk are serious business. They really are, and I have 261 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: some I have some concerns overall, I think it's been 262 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: really interesting with the rise of social media. I think 263 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: a big part of why I think animals have more 264 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: intelligence than we think has been from social media and 265 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: seeing like chickens with feelings and stuff like that. And 266 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: it's also been interesting. Remember Teddy the Porcupine, Yes, it 267 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: was a big hit a couple of years ago. And noises, Yeah, 268 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: we're like, oh my god, this is actual Disney animal 269 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: noise happy noises. Yeah. Yeah, it was incredible. But then 270 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: but then I'm like, but they're not Disney animals. In 271 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: a couple summers ago, when I was in Olympic National 272 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: Park in Washington State, the deer were so aggressive, yeah, 273 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: at the picnic area, and I didn't want to touch 274 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: them because I was like, I don't know what bugs 275 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: y'all are carrying. But I had to get it's so 276 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: aggressive back to get them to not eat our food. 277 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: And I don't know what to say. I think everybody 278 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: should be allowed to be in nature, but at the 279 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: same time, why can't people respect animals? It really freaks 280 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: me out. Yeah, it's it's really about respecting the both 281 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: the animals safety and your own safety, and respecting the 282 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: fact that yeah, it's not. It's not like it's gonna 283 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: be like the scene in Snow White where if you 284 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: crouch in a forest, a deer will gently put its 285 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: head under your elbow, Like if if you like try to, 286 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, steal a baby elk, its mom is probably 287 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: gonna find you, and she has a very particular set 288 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: of skills, which is stomping you to smithereens. I have 289 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: seen a video of an elk stomping. It's and I 290 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: think it was like directed in a cougar. It's wild, 291 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: it's very powerful. It messed this cougar up. So yeah, 292 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: so yeah, be careful around elk I did earlier. I 293 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: just want to correct a slip of the time I 294 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: said I said elk are the second biggest ungulate. I 295 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: meant the second biggest deer. Obviously there are bigger ungulates 296 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: like Jiroffes. Anyway, Oh okay, yeah, but anyways, back to 297 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: bad decisions. For some reason, people keep putting baby elk 298 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: in their cars in national parks, thinking that if they 299 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: find them alone, that they've been abandoned by their mothers. 300 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: Don't do it. Don't do this with elk. Don't do 301 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: this with other deer, like elk will leave their calves alone, 302 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: but this is a actually a survival strategies. So the 303 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: females will hide their newborn calves when they go out 304 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: to forage, and then they will return repeatedly to the 305 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: calve to like nurse them, because this is actually the 306 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: safest way to take care of the babies because that 307 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: first week, the newborn calf does not have a strong smell, 308 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: so predators are unlikely to find it when it's nestled 309 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: in the bushes. It'd be much more likely for this 310 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: calf to get caught, like if it's following its mother 311 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: and predators can see it out in the open, So 312 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: the mother leaves it, you know, usually in a bushy 313 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: or grassy area or behind some kind of structure so 314 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: that the calf is hidden. And so essentially you're just 315 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: kidnapping the baby if you try to, like, you know, 316 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: quote unquote rescue it. So don't touch it, don't rescue it, 317 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: you're really not. This goes for fawns as well, Like 318 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: just like deer, you might be more used to, like 319 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: if you see a fawn just kind of like curled 320 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: up in the bushes in the grass, don't touch it, 321 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: don't carry it away somewhere. It was probably left thereby 322 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: its mother, and the mother's going to return, and this 323 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: is a normal behavior. Yeah. I mean, podcast audiences are 324 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: self selecting, so your audience probably knows this already. Yeah, 325 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: but I just feel like want to say, in case 326 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: someone who doesn't normally listen randomly listen to this second, like, 327 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: don't touch the baby animals in wild areas, especially if 328 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: it's government owned land, because if you, for instance, see 329 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: a bear cub and think it's really cute and you 330 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: interact with it, the government will kill that bear cub 331 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: and its siblings and it's mom. So please leave them alone. 332 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: And they're not killing the bear family for fun, They're 333 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: doing it for everybody's future safety that you personally just ruined. 334 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 1: So now you're a bear murderer. Yeah, I think, Yeah, 335 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: I mean I do agree. I don't think my audience 336 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: is probably gonna be going out trying to kidnap baby animals, 337 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: I know, but this is this is good advice because 338 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: like I do feel like we're it's more that we're 339 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: deputizing you to go and stop animal kidnappers with knowledge, 340 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: with knowledge, and you know, it's I think that oftentimes 341 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: these things. These things can come from a good place 342 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, I have to help this animal. 343 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: So I get that, and I don't think I think 344 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: oftentimes it is done in good faith. Obviously there's the 345 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: rfks of the world warts that's not done in good faith. 346 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, so yeah, don't kidnap a baby elk. You 347 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: will get hunted down by a bunch of liam Neeson's 348 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: that have hooves and anger. So that's not a great idea. 349 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: I know you're not gonna do it, But tell your friends. 350 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: Tell fine, you know, everyone has a friend where you're 351 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: like that would be the friend that would think that 352 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: maybe they should kidnap a baby elk. Talk to that 353 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: friend and tell them not to because like in the case, 354 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: like you know, I read a news story about like 355 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,719 Speaker 1: someone had put an elk, baby elk in their car 356 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 1: and then like essentially they the park rangers forced them 357 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: to release the elk. But the elk, you know, ran 358 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: off into w's somewhere. Who knows if it ever found 359 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: its mom again, right, like hopefully yes, But it's just like, 360 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: what are you doing. It's like if you found you 361 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: found like a kid at the mall and you're like 362 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna like take you to Canada or something, 363 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: or if you're already in Canada, I'm gonna take you 364 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: to uh, you know, America. Like it's just like, why 365 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: would you do that? Just leave it, leave them alone, 366 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: and you know probably their their moms nearby. So yeah, 367 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: don't kidnap baby Elk. No, no kidnapping whatsoever. Blanket rule, 368 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: blanket rule, it's bad, don't do it. Really, we're really 369 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: sticking it to my audience of educated animal lovers. You 370 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: already know all of this, but you know, well, you know, 371 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: it never hurts to remind people. Right, Sometimes you just 372 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: forget and you're like, oh damn, and there's a baby 373 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: Elk in your car and you're like, oh man, forgot, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 374 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: It happens to the it really does. All right, Well, 375 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and when we get back, 376 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about another big baby, all right, Catherine. 377 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: So now we're gonna talk about baby Elephants. Cute, very cute, 378 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: super goofy. Everybody loves them, their little little scamps. Man, 379 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: I feel so much for mom Elephants. Though it takes 380 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: twenty two months, which is you know, nearly two years 381 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: for baby elephants to gest date and then they give 382 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: birth to like it's like a mini coop sized baby. 383 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, it's it's wild. How long do 384 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: elephants live? Big live quite a long time. I believe 385 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: it's around forty to sixty years old. Let me double 386 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: check that. Well, two years gestation seems too long for 387 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: that lifespan. I don't like that. Yeah, so like African 388 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: elephants live sixty to seventy years, Asian elephants live around 389 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: forty eight years. That's that's a long time though for 390 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: a wild animal. To be fair, that's a very long time. 391 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: They could probably live even longer if there was some 392 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: I mean, elephants don't really do well in captivity, but 393 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: if like there was elephant healthcare, which there kind of 394 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: is in certain natural reserves. Anyways, the point I'm making 395 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: is that's a long lifespan for an animal that lives 396 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: in such a sort of a tough and unforgiving environment. 397 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: Uh huh uh huh. Do they have to eat more 398 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: the entire time they're pregnant, yeah or anything like that? Okay, yeah, yeah, 399 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: they have to eat more while they're pregnant. They also 400 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: eat more while they're lactating to be able to Yeah, 401 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, it's going to be pretty similar to 402 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: human human pregnant for a much longer period of time, 403 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: right right, you know, so similar to humans, baby elephants 404 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: will suck their trunks like human babies stunk their thumbs, 405 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: and they also try to learn how to use they can. 406 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: They get up and go walking very quickly, so like 407 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: within the first few hours of life, they learn how 408 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: to walk, but they do not know how to use 409 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: their trunks yet, and so it takes them some time 410 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: to learn how to operate their trunks. Because an elephant's 411 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: trunk has around ninety thousand muscle fiber bundles and around 412 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: fifty to sixty thousand motor neurons associated with controlling the trunks. 413 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: So it's a very complicated organ, a very complicated limb. 414 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: So and they have a high concentration of muscles also 415 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: in the tip at the in the lip of the trunk, 416 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: like the you know, the little at the end of 417 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: the snout where it can like pick up like a 418 00:25:53,480 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: paintbrush and you know, do art, elephant art. So yeah, yeah, 419 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: the babies will you like, that's why you can see 420 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: videos of babies just sort of like helicoptering their trunk. 421 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: It's because they're sort of they're playing, they're having fun, 422 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: but they're also like learning how to use this very 423 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: sophisticated limb. It's sort of like babies, you know, waving 424 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: their arms around, kicking their legs. You know, you're, you're 425 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: they're both having fun, but they're also learning how to, uh, 426 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: how to move their bodies, and they're it's usually quite 427 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: thrilling for them to learn how. 428 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: To do that. 429 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: I saw something about how when they start getting interested 430 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: in adult food, they start mimicking the adults and start 431 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: making the movement of picking stuff up with their trunk 432 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: before they've actually have the dexterity and actual grip items. Yeah. Absolutely, 433 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: I mean similar to babies, Like I've seen babies like 434 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: pick like before they can eat food, where they pick 435 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: up some soft food that their parents given them, put 436 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: it in their mouth, just kind of like hold it 437 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: in their mouth and then spit it out. Yeah, they 438 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: don't know how to eat it, they don't know how 439 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: to cheat it. They're kind of like mimicking the motions 440 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: before they actually get it. Yeah, I mean there's a 441 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: lot of similarities between the development of like say a 442 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: baby elephant and a baby human, because they're both We're 443 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: both very intelligent animals, both very social animals, also with 444 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: limbs that have fine motor controls, so like our hands 445 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: and fingers and in their trunks, So yeah, there is 446 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: similar situation. Also, baby elephants will play with each other 447 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: and they learn really important social skills through playing, just 448 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: like human babies. This is something very common with like 449 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: a lot of different types of social species, from dogs 450 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: to lions to you know, dolphins. Like if you're a 451 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: social species, like play is really important in terms of 452 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: like playing with one another to learn social skills and 453 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: also learn survival skills, like for predators like baby like 454 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: if when you see like like kittens playing with each 455 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: other where they're like chasing and pouncing and knocking each 456 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: other over and biting each other's necks, but not that seriously, 457 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: it's a way for them to practice their predation skills 458 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: without actually getting hurt. Same thing for dogs, like tugle 459 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: war with your dog is your dog play acting snapping 460 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: something's neck. For elephants, obviously they are herbivores, and yet 461 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: they do have to defend themselves, and they aren't quite 462 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: good at it, and so like babies will spar with 463 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: each other, they'll run around do stuff that they also like. 464 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: The males have to learn how to defend themselves from 465 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: other bulls or fight with other bulls if they want 466 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: access to mating opportunities or to try to take over 467 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: access to a herd, So like the elephant societies, basically 468 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: it's like a matriarchy where the females form a core 469 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: group that remains pretty consistent throughout the throughout the herds 470 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: like lifetime or throughout the herd's history, whereas the males 471 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: are the ones that kind of like disperse. So like 472 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: the male once they're old enough, they'll leave the maternal 473 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: group and go off try to find a new herd 474 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: to join and then and sometimes they'll have to like 475 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: fight in order to like oust the other bowl male 476 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: or to get a mating opportunity, So it's important for 477 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: the males to learn how to do that. But the 478 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: females also have to learn how to be rough and 479 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: tumble around to defend their young and defend themselves from 480 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: predators and threats, and the males go to other herds 481 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: like to prevent incest. Yes, I mean this is exactly 482 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: You're exactly right. Like you look very sk to bring 483 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: this up, but that's the very good point. Yeah, Like 484 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: male dispersal. Dispersal is a great way to improve genetic diversity, 485 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: or as you're praised, it prevent a game of throne situation. 486 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: It is, it's, it's it. Actually, this is a pretty 487 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: similar course. The social dynamics are a bit different, but 488 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: like with lions, lion prides, it's often thought of as 489 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: being like a very kind of male dominated situation, And 490 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: in a way it's true because males do have a 491 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: lot of like strength when it comes to the females, 492 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: but the females form sort of a core group that 493 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:51,719 Speaker 1: remains much more consistent throughout the pride's lifetime. And they 494 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: also if females get fed up with a male who's 495 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: like taken over the pride, like sometimes all the females 496 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: will gang up on him and and I think, like 497 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: for elephants, like the matriarchy is a little more pronounced 498 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: because you have like this lineage of older females and 499 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: younger females and all taking care of each other, and 500 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: they will enforce kicking out bull males that stick around 501 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: too long. So like if there's if there's a young 502 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: bull male who's like uh ready to disperse, they'll be like, 503 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: all right, you got to go now, and they'll like 504 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 1: actually kind of chase them out, and then he has 505 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: to go find you know, ahrd to kind of hang 506 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: around the periphery of and so that he can find 507 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: some mating opportunities. So are there in cell elephants, I mean, 508 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: are there some that just get rejected? And probably probably 509 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: they go they go online trying to compare trunk sizes. Yeah, no, 510 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: I mean, like you know, that's that is sort of 511 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: that that's that's natural selection. Baby involuntary celibacy is his 512 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: naturals lock. Okay, yeah that makes sense. Yeah, oh man. 513 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, so baby elephants play a lot. A baby 514 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: elephant will invite another one to play by placing their 515 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: trunk on the other one's head, like they'll play with me, 516 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: and they'll wrestle with their trunks. They'll bonk their heads together. 517 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: If they've developed tusks, sometimes they'll knock those around together. 518 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: The Sometimes a teenage elephant will like kneel down and 519 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: let like a baby elephant like kind of wrestle with them. 520 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: It's super cute because it's like this much larger elephant 521 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: like kneeling down and letting the baby kind of like 522 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: go to town. And it's a great it's a great 523 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: lesson for the baby because like it really teaches the 524 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: baby like not to bite off more than they can chew, 525 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: because sometimes they'll like try to pick a fight with 526 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: like a larger elephant, and the big elephant just kind 527 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: of like knock them over, and it's it's a good lesson. 528 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: And then of course, like the mother and a lot 529 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: of the other females will be very protective of the babies, 530 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: so like if things get too intense, the baby will 531 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: probably run back to its mommy and then the mom 532 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: will be like, all right, stop, the game is over. 533 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: You can't mess with my child anymore. Yeah, So it 534 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: really is very similar to kind of playground politics. Yeah. Also, 535 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: baby elephants will sometimes chase other animals for fun, like 536 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: just just like hey, I'm gonna chase you now. They're 537 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: not it's not because they're predators. Again, it's usually like 538 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: kind of developing motor skills. It's fun for them, but 539 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: it's also like developing skills for like chasing off predators 540 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: or competing with rivals. So elephant researcher and behavioral at 541 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: College Is Caitlin O'Connell documented the way that baby African 542 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: eleph playing around can change political dynamics and herds. So 543 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: like she she documented this like schism that happened like 544 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: in this herd, like these two females didn't get along, 545 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: so one of the females like broke off started her 546 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: own herd, and then they came back together because the 547 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: female who had left the other the big herd, like 548 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: her baby was so playful with the babies from the 549 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: other herd that whenever they would like see each other, 550 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: the baby would just go there. She didn't want to leave, 551 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: and so eventually this like other female in her herd 552 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: were forced to join the primary herd because her baby 553 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: was like way too excited to play with the babies 554 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: and this other herd. So uh, sometimes what a spoiled 555 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: baby elephant. I know, I know, it's it's great though, 556 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: It's like, you know what we got to put make 557 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: bygones be bygones because this baby ell if it wants 558 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: to play, And how do you stop a baby elephant 559 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: from playing? You don't no, oh, Wow, this is reminding me. 560 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: I heard something and it was like I think I 561 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: heard it first on Twitter, so I don't know if 562 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 1: it was real. This was years ago, something about how 563 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: an experiment was done where there were these two old 564 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: lady elephants who did not care for each other, and 565 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: they were in different groups, with the groups would sometimes 566 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, literally cross paths, and the researchers took recordings 567 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: of one of the old Lady elephants and went played 568 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: it at the other old Lady elephant who didn't hate her, 569 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: and when she heard the recording of her arch nemesis, 570 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: she would get really stressed out. Mm hmm. Do you 571 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: think that's real? Yeah, that sounds sounds real to me. 572 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: What amazing like jerk researchers though, Like we know you 573 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: hate Helen with a passion. Anyways, here's Helen's voice and 574 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: then Miriam's like, what, Helen, I told you to not 575 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: come around here anymore. Yeah, it's just it would if 576 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: it helps, Like imagine Old Lady Elephants is like Maggie 577 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 1: Smith and Dame Judy Dinch taking potshots at one another, 578 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: and then you will understand better the psychology of elephants. 579 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: That's very pleasing to me. Yeah, I like that and 580 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to do that permanently. Yeah. Speaking of Helen 581 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: Mrran or sorry not Helmet here, speaking of Judy Ditch 582 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: and Maggie Smith. Elephants are very serious about protecting their 583 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: young and they will exact revenge on anyone who hurts 584 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: their calves, just as Judy Dinsch and Maggie Smith would do. 585 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: In Malaysia, a car accidentally hit a baby elephant. Like 586 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: it was a total accident. It was like there was 587 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: a rainstorm and fortunately it was like a tiny compact car, 588 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: so it didn't hurt the baby. Really, it didn't cause 589 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: a serious injury. Also, the occupants of the vehicle were uninjured. 590 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: But the baby's family was not having it because the 591 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: baby like fell over and so like this family of 592 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: elephants came over and like smashed the car, like totaled 593 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 1: the car, like smashed all its windows in, like dentted 594 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: in the doors, just absolutely wrecked this car because it's like, 595 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,479 Speaker 1: how dare you hit my baby with your car? Which 596 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: you know, like all the people, like the reason this 597 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: is a fun story is like all the people survived, 598 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: so they were and I think they were completely uninjured 599 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: the car itself not so not so pretty a situation. 600 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, it was a total accident, 601 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: but like you can't like say like, oh no, I 602 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 1: didn't see your child there and I hit them, Like 603 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: the elephants are still gonna mess you up. I respect that, 604 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: and sometimes I feel like, I mean, not if it's 605 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: an accident, but maybe maybe humans could take a couple 606 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: lessons and like discending I have. I think I saw 607 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: a video once like like there was like a thing 608 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: where like there was a sort of near accident, like 609 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: a kid was in a crosswalk and like a car 610 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: came and like basically kind of like the car eventually 611 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: stopped or something and the kid, the kid was okay, 612 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: but the car did hit the kid because you know, 613 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: the car was not paying attention well enough, and like 614 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: the kid's parents like ran over and like you know 615 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: like hit the car like in anger. Right, Like it's 616 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: just a very natural response, right yeah, this thing almost 617 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: like hurt your kid, Like that response of like you know, 618 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: like hit the car, like you know this stupid thing, 619 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: you you hurt my You could have really seriously hurt 620 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: my kid. It's just very very similar kind of thing. Right, like, 621 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: just this just animal, this elephant family making the insurance 622 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: premiums go up on this car smashing it in. I can't. 623 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: I can't say that I wouldn't do the same if 624 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,879 Speaker 1: I was an elephant. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I heard 625 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: another story. That's another one that I'm like, is this 626 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: true about in a village in India there was a 627 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: woman who did not like elephants, so she would yell 628 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,439 Speaker 1: at them and they smashed up her funeral. I heard 629 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 1: this too. I looked into trying to figure out if 630 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: it was true or not. I really don't know. I 631 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: think it's believable. I just don't know, though, because like, 632 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: how would they know for sure it's her funeral? Did 633 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: they smell her? It's possible they did, I just I 634 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: don't know. It could be that they were. It could 635 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: also have been a coincidence where they were like agitated 636 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 1: by the presence of people there. I could I really 637 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: couldn't find out whether this was Like, first of all, 638 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 1: I couldn't find out if it was genuine, and secondly, 639 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: I couldn't find out if like it was some how 640 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: confirmed that the elephant had come to like I don't know, 641 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: gate crash her funeral. Yeah, pay disrespect, right. Maybe maybe 642 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: they didn't know for sure that it was the same woman, 643 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: but they were like, we don't care. Yeah, this is 644 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: doing today. Anyone dies in this village, we're gonna hope 645 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: it's this lady that was mean to us. I really 646 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think if they I think if 647 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: they could tell that this it was this lady, I 648 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't put it past them. I'll say that much. Wouldn't 649 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: put it past an elephant if it was possible for 650 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: them to know that this was this lady's funeral. I 651 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: just I really have a lot of respect for these 652 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: herbivores that are not afraid to throw down. Oh man, 653 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: so many herbivores are so not afraid to throw down. 654 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: Like predators have a pretty tough life, honestly, lie Like 655 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,879 Speaker 1: you think of like, well, lions, like nothing's gonna mess 656 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: with the lions. Lots of stuff mess with lions. Like 657 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of gnarly, gnarly, gnarly injuries you can 658 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: see on even like male, big tough male lions, like 659 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 1: where they'll just have like half a limb missing, a 660 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: chunk of their face taken out. That's probably because they 661 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: got into a mix up with the wrong elephant or 662 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: the wrong giraffe, you know, so like it's a or 663 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: even like the wrong cape buffalo, right, like it's a 664 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: There's a lot of herbivores that are not gonna take 665 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: it lying down, and so yeah, it's they can be 666 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 1: quite dangerous. And I mean that's one reason that lions 667 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: tend to form, you know, groups, like it makes it 668 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,479 Speaker 1: a lot easier for them to take down large prey 669 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: without risking dying every time. Interesting. Interesting, I forgot I 670 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,879 Speaker 1: heard that about Cape buffalo. They're wildly dangerous. They're very dangerous. Yeah, 671 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, herbivores. Being an herbivore does not mean being 672 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: weak or docile. I think we might get a mistaken 673 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: impression because we have domesticated herbivores that we live around, 674 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: Like cows. Cows are not normal ungillis. They're not. They're 675 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 1: not because we've bred out their fear and their aggressions. 676 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: So cows are really docile. Sheep are really docile because 677 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: we've bred them to be like like a if you 678 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: go up to sort of the like the the ancestral 679 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 1: sort of orcs that like you know, cows came from. 680 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: They would be aggressive towards you if you tried to 681 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: milk them, Like, it's not going to work out for you. 682 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 1: Did you say ancestral orc ors? It's like a me 683 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:50,800 Speaker 1: nice spells spell ex the orcs, is it? It's a 684 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 1: h let me, let me just double check, make sure 685 00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: I'm getting this completely correct. Uh orcs. So it's a 686 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: U R O C hsh Okay, this is new information, 687 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: not orcs like World of War. That's what I was thinking, 688 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: and I thought that can't be. But yeah, or rocks extinct. 689 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:29,320 Speaker 1: But yes, this is the sort of ancestral uh. The 690 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: the species that we think cows came from, and they 691 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: were probably pretty feisty. 692 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 2: Uh. 693 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: And also cow relatives are pretty feisty. But yeah, we 694 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 1: bred them to be. It's this. It's the same situation 695 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: with dogs versus wolves. Okay, makes sense? Yeah, absolutely? Yeah. Yeah. Well, 696 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 1: we're going to take a quick break and when we 697 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: get back, we're going to talk about the biggest baby 698 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: in the world. Uh named drop whoever? You hate it 699 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: as a joke. Here all right, we are back. It's 700 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 1: time for the biggest baby in the world. What do 701 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: you think is the biggest baby in the world? Catherine Well, 702 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a fear based answer and say whales 703 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: because I may have said this on the show before, 704 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: whales terrify me. I think I would die. Maybe I 705 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: remembered that subconsciously, which is why we're going to be 706 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: talking about the biggest whale in the world. Because I'm 707 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: you're so mean, I'd be I'd be a cruel podcast mistress. Uh. Yeah, 708 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about baby blue whales. Maybe I can help 709 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,760 Speaker 1: Maybe I can help us a wage or intensify your fears. 710 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: It's exposure therapy. Let's see, which have you seen, Like 711 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 1: have you seen whales sleeping in the ocean where they're 712 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: just like because like they'll sleep and like their bodies 713 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: kind of like hang down sort of a vertically. Oh, 714 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: and they just look it's weird. It kind of looks 715 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: like here, let me shin, is it Okay? If I 716 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: send you a photo, I don't I don't actually want 717 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 1: to freak you out. Yeah. No, I can see photos 718 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: of them. Okay. I've actually been in a catamaran that 719 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 1: a whale was swimming directly beneath and maybe I just 720 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: like disassociated. I don't remember being that scared, but if 721 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: I saw that now, I think maybe it's like I 722 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 1: didn't even know that was possible, so I wasn't fully 723 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: comprehending it in the moment. Yeah, I mean, I there 724 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: are things that like fill me with a sort of 725 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: fear slash awe where I don't get terrified. But it's 726 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to explain windmills do this to me. 727 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, is scary, you know, like I find them 728 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,800 Speaker 1: a little bit like, you know, not Dutch windmills, I 729 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: mean like the giant, uh modern windmills. I'm like, they're 730 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: kind of scary in a way just because they're so massive. 731 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just it's the same kind of fear 732 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 1: of like being on a roller coaster, where it's like 733 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: I kind of enjoy the fear a little bit. It's hard, 734 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 1: it's hard exactly to explain. I'm just saying, although I 735 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,320 Speaker 1: don't enjoy roller coasters, so that's a bad metaphor specifically 736 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: for me. But I sent in the chat a photo 737 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 1: of this. It's the it's sperm whales sleeping and they 738 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 1: are actually kind of vertical like a whale forests. To me, 739 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: that's it's super surreal to see them like that. What's 740 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 1: going on with the perspective here, because the guy is 741 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 1: much closer to the foreground. The whales are a lot 742 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: bigger than Okay, I was gonna say, yeah, okay, that 743 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, so those guys, I I I think 744 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,880 Speaker 1: I would die of fear if I were faced with 745 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: six or seven whales awake or asleep. Yeah, fair enough. 746 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: So blue whales are gigantic. They're the biggest animal that 747 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 1: we know of that has ever lived on the planet Earth. 748 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: And the babies are the biggest babies. It takes up 749 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 1: to it takes about a year for them to gestate. 750 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 1: Babies are born over twenty feet long, which is six 751 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: meters and up to six thousand pounds or two seven 752 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: hundred kilograms. They're basically the size of a metal shipping container, 753 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 1: these babies. And I'm looking around my room. It wouldn't 754 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,319 Speaker 1: fit in my room. Probably not. No, I don't care 755 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: for that, not, thank you. So the mother will lactate 756 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: about fifty gallons of milk a day. The baby grows 757 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 1: at an incredible rate, so as adults they get to 758 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 1: be around one hundred two hundred, like over one hundred 759 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,320 Speaker 1: feet long, which is around over thirty meters long, and 760 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,320 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty tons, So the baby has to 761 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: drink extremely rich, high fat milk every day and they 762 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 1: gain around like two hundred pounds per day, which is 763 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: don't you You can't air this because those raw milk 764 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,880 Speaker 1: freaks are gonna hear it and they're gonna I think 765 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: they should try to go and get it and the 766 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:17,279 Speaker 1: situation will sort itself out. But yeah, it's it is. 767 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: It is an incredible feat. Uh. They grow very quickly. 768 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 1: They have to, uh in order to get to be 769 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:32,800 Speaker 1: that size, and they are. It's it's very like we 770 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,440 Speaker 1: there's so much about blue whales that we don't know 771 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,799 Speaker 1: because they're they're just like can't get them. We can't 772 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: get there. You can't study a blue whale in a lab. 773 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,200 Speaker 1: You can't put it in MRI. I can't, Like you 774 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 1: can't and like we're not there. We're not where they are, 775 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,760 Speaker 1: and they like go to very uh you know, deep depths. 776 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 1: They do come up in surface obviously because they have 777 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 1: to breathe their mammals, but yeah, they're just it's there 778 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: for being the largest animal on earth. Like, we know 779 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: surprisingly little about them. We do know that they're balen whales, 780 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 1: so they're filter feeders. They eat krill. They swallow enormous 781 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,399 Speaker 1: amounts of seawater that contains like if once they find 782 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,320 Speaker 1: a dense patch of krill, they swallow them in and 783 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,400 Speaker 1: they sort of push all that water out through their bileen, 784 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 1: which are it's sort of like a broom bristles, and 785 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: all the krill get tangled in there, and then they 786 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,720 Speaker 1: swallow them up and have a giant, giant snack of krill. 787 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,879 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, do we know what the biggest thing 788 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,799 Speaker 1: that they could swallow and not choke on is. I've 789 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 1: literally never thought about them. I've thought about this a lot. 790 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you'd have to look at 791 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:05,240 Speaker 1: what they're throat sizes. I suppose. Wow, that doesn't help. 792 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: So they there's some blue baby blue whale news apparently. Yeah, 793 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,440 Speaker 1: in New Zealand, baby Blue, a baby pigmy blue whale 794 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 1: got stuck in a pier under a wharf. So pigmy 795 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: blue whales are you know, small blue whales, meaning they 796 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 1: only grow to be about eighty feet long or twenty 797 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,600 Speaker 1: four meters, and this baby was nearly fifty feet long 798 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 1: fifteen meters, so it got kind of like entangled among 799 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:49,640 Speaker 1: the supports for the pier. So what did the conservationists do? 800 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 1: They just dismantled the pier so that the baby could 801 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: could be free. So the entire the entire wharf was dismantled. 802 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 1: It was like a small wooden I'm not not talking 803 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,800 Speaker 1: about like Santa Monica pre with a ferrosprayle on it. 804 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,600 Speaker 1: But I just found it funny because, like, in reading 805 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,960 Speaker 1: about it, New Zealand's Department of Conservation called it a 806 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,680 Speaker 1: highly unusual situation. It's like, oh, really, you don't get 807 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,839 Speaker 1: blue whales stuck in your peers all the time? I guess, uh, 808 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,520 Speaker 1: But also I am a little surprised it doesn't happen 809 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 1: more often because like, have you ever seen like every 810 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,359 Speaker 1: time a child finds banisters, immediately the head gets stuck 811 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 1: in it. Oh yeah, and this feels like a kid 812 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,000 Speaker 1: getting their heads stuck in a banister situation, but with 813 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: like a blue whale. Oh absolutely, Oh funny. Wait, so 814 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,440 Speaker 1: there are pigmy blue whales. Yes, that's a known thing. Yeah, 815 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 1: they're just they're just they're smaller than the full sized 816 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:54,959 Speaker 1: blue whales, So instead of being being over one hundred 817 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,399 Speaker 1: feet long, they're about eighty feet long. Just teeny tiny, 818 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,520 Speaker 1: little guy, bitty cute little pigmy. It's just so funny 819 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:07,239 Speaker 1: to call this thing a pigmy blue whale. Yeah, so 820 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,520 Speaker 1: rescuers dismantled the small wharf, guided the whale out of 821 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 1: the bay with boats, and it was free to go. Uh. So, 822 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,640 Speaker 1: you know, whales or human children always getting stuck in 823 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:25,800 Speaker 1: anything that is like a stair banister. This is so 824 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,640 Speaker 1: funny and I will be very interested to know if, 825 00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,480 Speaker 1: in the future if the offspring of that pigmy blue 826 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,880 Speaker 1: whale also gets stuck in a pier, Like it's a 827 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 1: genetic trait of like, because yeah, I'm hearing about that curiosity. Yeah, 828 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,120 Speaker 1: there's that otter wasn't Yeah, it was an otter who 829 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,960 Speaker 1: last year I think, kept biting surfboards. And it was 830 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,719 Speaker 1: the same one because he was tagged. Come to find out, 831 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,560 Speaker 1: it was the offspring of another otter who, however, many 832 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:59,719 Speaker 1: years before, kept biting kayaks. Hmm. I mean part of 833 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,520 Speaker 1: that could be genetics, but it could also be learned behavior, right, 834 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,960 Speaker 1: like if it's raised by an otter that likes to 835 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,799 Speaker 1: bite kayaks, sort of like when you have a kid 836 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, uh, your kid goes into 837 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:17,120 Speaker 1: a pretty related career as you, right, Like, I guess 838 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 1: for me, it'd be a kid who goes into radio. 839 00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, like where it's just slightly like a 840 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,320 Speaker 1: new spin. I don't know. There's gonna be something different. 841 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:31,759 Speaker 1: It's gonna be like hollow holographic VR radio. Yeah, it 842 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,719 Speaker 1: probably will. But not if you're a traditionalist and you 843 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,440 Speaker 1: just stick to a career in biting, right, biting, biting surfboards. 844 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:43,880 Speaker 1: I will support my hypothetical child in whatever career they choose, 845 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:52,360 Speaker 1: whether it's biting kayaks, biting surfboards, biting you know, sandboards, 846 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:59,719 Speaker 1: biting I don't know, hookeyboards, yeah, hydrofoils. Biting yachts, Now, 847 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 1: that would be a kid. I was proud of a 848 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 1: kid who bites yachts. That's that. And that would be 849 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,839 Speaker 1: if your kid were in otter, you know, breaking into 850 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: an orchad dominated industry. Yeah, always, Yeah, you'd be so proud. 851 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,959 Speaker 1: I think a bumper sticker for that, My ottered child 852 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,000 Speaker 1: bites yachts. 853 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:24,400 Speaker 2: All right, Oh, well, before we go, we got to 854 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,240 Speaker 2: play a little game called Guess you Squawk, a Mystery 855 00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,040 Speaker 2: animal sound game. 856 00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,120 Speaker 1: Every week I play Mystery Animal sound, and you the listener, 857 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,439 Speaker 1: and you the guest, try to guess who is making 858 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,560 Speaker 1: that sound. Last week's mystery animal sound hint was this, 859 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:51,040 Speaker 1: I've got some wild news for you guys. By all right, Kathy, 860 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 1: you got any guesses? Bullfrog? Interesting and interesting guests. Uh, 861 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,800 Speaker 1: but you're one part of that word is almost correct. 862 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,640 Speaker 1: This is actually a wild to beast, also known as 863 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:14,040 Speaker 1: a new but that that was a wildebeest. That was 864 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 1: a wilde beast. Wow, wow, amazing surprising, right, yeah. So 865 00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 1: wilde beests are large antelopes found in Eastern and South Africa, 866 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:31,880 Speaker 1: with long, bison like heads and thick withers. There are 867 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,120 Speaker 1: two species of wildebeest. There's the blue wilde beast with 868 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,040 Speaker 1: stripes on their back and short horns. I think that's 869 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,400 Speaker 1: the one you see in lion king. So that's what 870 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,040 Speaker 1: you're thinking of when you think wildebest. It's the blue wildebeest. 871 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,120 Speaker 1: And then there's the black wildebeest, which has a tan, 872 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,839 Speaker 1: shaggy mane, a mohawk like or sorry. And then there's 873 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: the black wildebeest that has a mohawk like maine down 874 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,320 Speaker 1: its neck, a black head, and longer horns. So interestingly. 875 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,520 Speaker 1: Wildebeests like to take advice from other species, so they'll 876 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,520 Speaker 1: mingle with zebra herds and baboons and pay attention to 877 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,879 Speaker 1: warning calls of these other species for predators. So they 878 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:17,279 Speaker 1: are definitely there to let other species do the work 879 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:23,080 Speaker 1: of looking out and about for them. Oh my gosh, amazing. Yeah, 880 00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,400 Speaker 1: what a cool animal. Very cool and also extremely generous 881 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,360 Speaker 1: of you to say that bullfrog was anything. Well, a 882 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,960 Speaker 1: bowl is also I got where we're going from. A 883 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 1: male wildebeast might be called a bowl that sounds like 884 00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,080 Speaker 1: a thing. It would be called uh that sounds like 885 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,840 Speaker 1: such a cool animal. I love that, the gossipy, gossipy animal. 886 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:53,840 Speaker 1: Uh onto this week's mister animal sound. The hint is this. 887 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,279 Speaker 1: Don't stick your head in the sand for this one. 888 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:11,560 Speaker 1: All right, you got any guesses, Katherine, No, it sounds 889 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:16,280 Speaker 1: like reving, but that's right, it's as rev is a 890 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:24,320 Speaker 1: it is a Hyundai BMX bike trick question. Yeah? Oh 891 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,640 Speaker 1: did I I just in case I forgot. Congratulations to 892 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:36,440 Speaker 1: Emily M for guessing correctly for the Well, all right, 893 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,560 Speaker 1: so we've got VMX bike as a guest. We will 894 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:44,440 Speaker 1: find out next time on Creature feature whether that is correct. Katherine, 895 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,000 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me today. Where can 896 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:51,680 Speaker 1: people find you? Well, let's see, I'm on Instagram, as 897 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:56,360 Speaker 1: Katherine underscore spires difficultly enough, and then I am on TikTok. 898 00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,080 Speaker 1: Katherine Spire, that's where I am. That's you're fighting a 899 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:06,080 Speaker 1: good fight. I don't man, TikTok confuses me because I'm 900 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,760 Speaker 1: about two hundred years old. It's not easy. I still 901 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,000 Speaker 1: find it difficult to actually use, but I find so 902 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 1: much good information on that. For me, it's like that 903 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,479 Speaker 1: scene in two thousand and one A Space Odyssey where 904 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,120 Speaker 1: I think the guy is getting turned back into a 905 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,440 Speaker 1: fetus after he goes inside the artifact. I kind of 906 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 1: forgot what was going on in that movie. Slash didn't 907 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,400 Speaker 1: understand what was going on in that movie. Yep. But 908 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,640 Speaker 1: it's like that scene where that guy is turning back 909 00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,400 Speaker 1: into a fetus, and like, I think, all the universe 910 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,960 Speaker 1: is flashing into his eyeballs and all those lights and stuff. 911 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 1: That's what happens to me when I try to look 912 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 1: at TikTok, I get turned back into a fetus. That's 913 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,840 Speaker 1: such an intense experience to be having. Yeah, and I 914 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,800 Speaker 1: don't think you need to put yourself through that. If 915 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:59,280 Speaker 1: you don't, I'm a little over stimulated. Yeah yeah, Well, 916 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,600 Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for listening. If you rate 917 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,000 Speaker 1: a review the podcast, I love that. I appreciate it 918 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,320 Speaker 1: so much. Thanks to the Space Cossics for their super 919 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,320 Speaker 1: awesome song ex Alumina. If you think you know the 920 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,600 Speaker 1: answer to this week's mister Animal sound, you can write 921 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,920 Speaker 1: to me at Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com. 922 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,040 Speaker 1: You can also write to me with your animal questions, 923 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:26,360 Speaker 1: any sort of evolutionary biology related questions, pictures of your pets. Uh. 924 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,960 Speaker 1: Creature features of production, Oh my god. Creature features a 925 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,720 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 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