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Speaker 2: Die Hey, welcome to the show. We're gonna have catch

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Speaker 2: from ol Crow Medicine Show and Molly Tuttle from well,

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Speaker 2: Molly Tuttle to excellent musicians to awesome people and they

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Speaker 2: just so happened to be engaged now. And if you

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Speaker 2: want to go see Molly on tour, she's awesome. Molly

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Speaker 2: and Marty. It's Molly Tuttle and Marty Stewart the guitars

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Speaker 2: on Fire Tour, Molly Tuttle dot com. We'll talk about that,

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about Bob Dylan, we'll talk about Wagon will

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Guys. Good to see you both. Yeah, I'm fans of

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Speaker 2: the Opry. That was my introduction to you, was you

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Speaker 2: playing the Opry and like, holy crap, there's only like

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Speaker 2: These are all exactly exactly, these are all fake. Oh really,

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Speaker 2: When I first made money, I bought my Mama trailer

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Speaker 2: that's how I know you. And Catch. I've just seen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Txan's definitely Crowabo anyway, Molly, congratulations on

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Speaker 2: I'm curious about some techniques as a player because I

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Speaker 3: I think back then it was just also this way

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00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,680
Speaker 3: to kind of, you know, feel good about myself in general.

442
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,760
Speaker 3: It kind of helped me have more confidence as a

443
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,879
Speaker 3: kid and it was like a boost to myself esteem.

444
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 3: But I also really just loved to play, and I

445
00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,679
Speaker 3: loved getting together with other people to play, and I

446
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,080
Speaker 3: wanted to sound good when I was, you know, in

447
00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,119
Speaker 3: that situation going to a jam session or getting together

448
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:38,639
Speaker 3: with friends.

449
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Speaker 2: Ketch, what is your kid genesis as far as music, Like,

450
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,560
Speaker 2: what did you start playing music?

451
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 1: I had encounters with American folk music traditions at a

452
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 1: young age that seemed to pull something out in me.

453
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 2: Encounters I had feel like a spaceship landed.

454
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Speaker 1: Well, it kind of felt that way, Bobby. It was like,

455
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,239
Speaker 1: because you know what makes somebody like whose dad is

456
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,120
Speaker 1: not a guitar teacher? Dad was. My dad has been

457
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 1: for his career an elementary school principal. Mom worked in

458
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 1: schools too. We lived in five states by the fifth grade,

459
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 1: we moved around a ton. But in the first grade,

460
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 1: this wonderful person came to my school to give a

461
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 1: program named John Hartford, who is a really famous Missouri

462
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 1: musician who wrote this amazing song jennal on My Mind,

463
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,679
Speaker 1: which Glenn Campbell rocketed to number one back in the seventies,

464
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 1: and that allowed John Hartford to get a TV show

465
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: and become, you know, one of America's kind of premier

466
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 1: folk musician traditional fiddler or banjo picker type of guys.

467
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 1: Wore a Bowler hat Buck dance on right in front

468
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 1: of me when I was six years old. So I

469
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 1: remember seeing that and thinking, well, that's entertaining, And then

470
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 1: you know, I found that I loved my mom's record

471
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 1: collection when I was a kid, which was up in

472
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 1: the attic, and I pulled that down. I had a

473
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Speaker 1: paper route when I was a kid, and when I

474
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 1: first got my route, I went to go buy an

475
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 1: alarm clock so I could start getting up early. But

476
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 1: the alarm clock had an AM radio on it, or

477
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 1: a radio, but the AM dial was so great. So

478
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 1: at about five point thirty in the morning when I

479
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: get up, I'd be listening to Cincinnati or Detroit or Toronto,

480
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 1: the clear channel thing. And it wasn't like I was

481
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 1: hearing like the Grand Old Opry and a bunch of music,

482
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 1: but I was hearing all these towns. So for me,

483
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 1: it was as much about music as it was about wanderlust,

484
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 1: wanting to understand America being called. So back to your

485
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 1: nature and nurture question, I think there's another component, which

486
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 1: is did your soul get selected to be brought into

487
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 1: the world of entertainment? Because the thing that we do

488
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: when we're entertainers is we reflect something that can be

489
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 1: more than one person at once. You know, it's an

490
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Speaker 1: on mass sort of like my experience as a musician

491
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: and as a traveler and as a storyteller, or helps

492
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: somebody else out there better compartmentalize their own experience or

493
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 1: did they go through something tough? Are they away from

494
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: home right now and lonesome? That kind of power is

495
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: a divinity, and it's just a gift that we all

496
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: in this room have because we're all people that can

497
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 1: talk through the mic and make somebody else out there

498
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: in the world feel more at ease or more agitated,

499
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: or more excited or turned on or whatever it is.

500
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: So I think there's you know, I always felt like

501
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: a decent musician, a good communicator, but also a really

502
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: soul for a person who had a story to tell

503
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: that could have a universal implication.

504
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: Where do you think you got your first music affirmation.

505
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: Singing in the Young Singers of Missouri. You see, bordering

506
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: on the Great State of Arkansas is a far more

507
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 1: greater state. It's called the show Me State, and it's

508
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: got a lot more going on. It's a larger state.

509
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: It's got a lot of regional biodiversity, uh and It

510
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: has many large cultural centers, including Saint Louis and Kansas City.

511
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,959
Speaker 1: It might not have as great a football team, but

512
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 1: it certainly has an upward mobility. Uh trump card.

513
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: So you would sing and you were told you were

514
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: a good singer, and you liked that feeling.

515
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: I was a member of Young Singers of Missouri.

516
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 2: But you had to be good to be a member, right.

517
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: I think they would have took anybody.

518
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: You just had to fit young. Yeah, you needed to know.

519
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: You needed to have a mother who could get you.

520
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: A cumber bunt.

521
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: I thought it was cumber bund. It's called a cumber bunt. Man,

522
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 2: I'm knowing himself like crazy today cumber bund.

523
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: I thought it had a bundo.

524
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Speaker 2: We met a fact check that boys, what do they

525
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: call it? Cumber bund? Cumber bund?

526
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: Oh?

527
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 2: Is it bun? Oh? I don't know. I had one

528
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: for I ended up not wearing it. Cumber bund, but

529
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: I had one. It was red because I had a

530
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 2: red and I ended up not wearing it because it

531
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: felt I maxed out on doric and it felt even

532
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 2: a little dorky year it was too far. I thought

533
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: you were kind of counterculture, though I am now counterculture.

534
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: In that, but in high school.

535
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 2: No, If getting beat up is counterculture, oh, then I

536
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: was a counterculture as you could be. I was number one.

537
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 2: I was Bob Dylan of counterculture. If it was just

538
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: about getting your head stuck in the toilet.

539
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: Oh no, wow, yeah it was it a Was it

540
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: a violent school system in which you didn't feel safe?

541
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: You ever see the movie Stand By Me?

542
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: Yeah?

543
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: Or Lean On Me?

544
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rob Reiner? Yeah, elite great.

545
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't like that at all.

546
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't like lard ass when nah I.

547
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: Was all right. I was just the dirty, the poor

548
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: kid that had the big mouth and that would get

549
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: me in trouble, like got my head flushed to the toilet.

550
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would just think the Arkadelphia school system might

551
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: have had Well I'm not from Arcadelfia. Oh okay, sorry, you're.

552
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 2: Just as signing me. So I'm from the major metropolitan

553
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: area of Mountain Pine, Arkansas right here at population seven

554
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: seventy two. Oh my god, can I sign my hometown?

555
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 2: Has that sign up? That's so cool? Yeah? Now all

556
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: the people who put your head in the toilet have

557
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 2: to look at that back at home. What about what

558
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: is when I say musical affirmation. Molly, what comes to

559
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: mind for you? When did you get the first musical

560
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: affirmation that you're like, wow, this, whatever this is, I

561
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: love it.

562
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: Ooh, musical affirmation. I think like when I first would

563
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 3: go on stage and.

564
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: Just play.

565
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: I remember I would work on these guitar solos. I

566
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 3: would just play the same solo over and over and

567
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 3: again and practice it and try to work on making

568
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 3: it really you know, kind of perfecting it and playing

569
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: something really complicated. I remember going on stage with my

570
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 3: dad at this It was at a music camp he

571
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: was teaching at, and I had this sort of intricate

572
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 3: guitar solo I was going to play at like the

573
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: student concert, and I played it and everyone cheered for

574
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 3: my solo, and I just remember thinking, that's cool, Like

575
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 3: they recognize this work that I put in.

576
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: And I just liked that feeling.

577
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 3: And I, you know, kind of liked making people happy

578
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 3: with the music. And it was also something that made

579
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 3: me feel happy too to share it with people. And

580
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: I remember I had these other kids who i'd play with,

581
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: and I didn't really know any kids at my school

582
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 3: who liked bluegrass or were into it. But since my

583
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: dad was a teacher, and you talked kids all over

584
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 3: the Bay Area banjo and fiddle and mandolin. We would

585
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 3: get together like other kids my age and form these

586
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 3: little bands. So that's how I started performing, and I

587
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 3: think that's kind of where I first felt that sense

588
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: of affirmation.

589
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: How many instruments do you play? Can you list them

590
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: for me?

591
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 3: I just it's a short list, just guitar and banjo.

592
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: You don't play piano, I can. I know some chords.

593
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 3: It's better at piano than me. I can just play

594
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 3: like bassic chords.

595
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: I don't think you've ever seen the two of us.

596
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: The list is vast. Charlie Brown totally between the two

597
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: of us, we could really have a two man woman band.

598
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: So you play banjo, banjo, guitar.

599
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: I can play like a few tunes on the mandolin,

600
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 3: only in limited keys, no hard keys.

601
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: But when did you know you wanted to do music

602
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: with your whole life? That's a commitment to go to

603
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: music school.

604
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 3: I think I was midway through high school and I

605
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 3: was really not the best student, and all my friends

606
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 3: were deciding on colleges, and all I wanted to do

607
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: was play music, and that's what I did. Any chance

608
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 3: I got all my free time on the weekends, I

609
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: was practicing or doing shows, whatever shows I could find.

610
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: So when I heard about Berkeley College of Music in Boston,

611
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: heard they had this American roots program and it was

612
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 3: just this very like diverse music school where you could

613
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 3: learn any style of music pretty much. And I knew

614
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 3: some people who went there, and I knew that Boston

615
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: had this cool scene for my type of music that

616
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 3: just really appealed to me. So I went and applied there.

617
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 3: But that was kind of like it felt like it

618
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: was my only path I could have taken, Like it

619
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: was all I wanted to do. There was not really

620
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: any question of like is there a plan B. And

621
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: also I saw my dad being a music teacher and

622
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, that's how he supported our family.

623
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: So I knew that if performing didn't work out, I

624
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 3: could start teaching, and you know, he would help me

625
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 3: figure out how to do that.

626
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: Did you have to audition? Yeah, and what is that process? Like,

627
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: it's it's gary.

628
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: I flew out to Boston to audition, and I also

629
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 3: wanted to just see the school before going there. My

630
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 3: dad came with me and I played one of my

631
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: original songs at the time, and then I played something

632
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 3: on banjo and they really liked that I played the

633
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: banjo because that was unusual. But I remember just being

634
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: really nervous and then I got in and the worst

635
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: part after getting in was you kind of have to

636
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: re audition, Like you do this thing called a ratings

637
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: audition or rating exam, and they rate you in all

638
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: these different categories like site reading and music theory and

639
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: technical proficiency.

640
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: Do you play on a stage in front of people.

641
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: No.

642
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 3: For your audition, you're just in a room with like

643
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: two teachers.

644
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: And they're just sitting there with just spad or something

645
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: and they don't really say not clapping or anything.

646
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: No, not clapping, definitely not clapping.

647
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: That inimidating. Yeah.

648
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: But then for my ratings audition, I went in and

649
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: it's the same thing. There's like three or four teachers.

650
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: They're just staring at you, asking you questions. And I

651
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: came out and I got the worst possible ratings. I

652
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: got all ones and it was craded on to eight.

653
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: So I just just did horrible.

654
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: You get to stay in school if they write you

655
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: all ones, even after you're already in.

656
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just get the most like remedial possible classes

657
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: after that?

658
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: Why do they give you ones? I don't know. To

659
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: this day, I'm like confused, and I have a im

660
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: so advanced they didn't understand it. I don't know.

661
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: I know that I couldn't sight read and I didn't

662
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: know any music theory. And then I think the other

663
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: ones they just saw that I didn't know anything about theory,

664
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: and then they were just like, you know, we're just

665
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: going to give you all ones and everything.

666
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: Did you lose confidence after that or did you just

667
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: know they didn't know.

668
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: I was kind of like crushed after that because I

669
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: didn't know a single other person who got all ones,

670
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: because that was just kind of rare. But now I've

671
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 3: met one other person who did, and it's Annie Clements,

672
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: who has played with Maren Morris, and I know she's

673
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: played with so many great acts and I yeah, she

674
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: plays space, she's a great bass player, and she's the only.

675
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: Person I've ever met who also got all ones. There's

676
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: a story of Steve Harvey and his teacher told him

677
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: that he wasn't going to be on TV because he

678
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: talked too much or was never committed, and so every

679
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: year he'd sent her a television as a Christmas gift

680
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: because she always told him he'd never make it on television.

681
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: What are we sending these teachers? We should tell them

682
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: a video game all ones?

683
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, catch.

684
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: What about you? When did you start as a When

685
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: did you start playing music? Was it by yourself or

686
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: did you form a band early?

687
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I went to see this

688
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: guy play a concert when I was twelve, and it

689
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: was such a great show, but I didn't really understand it.

690
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: In fact, I owned that guy.

691
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: For people who aren't watching and just listening, it's Bob Dylan.

692
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sorry, I'm talking about Bob. Of course. You know.

693
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: I went to see the show and I didn't really

694
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: get it, but I got it. I only understood four words, Hey,

695
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: mister tambourine and man. Everything else could have been not

696
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: even English, and I just wouldn't. But those four words

697
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: were all I know, and I was hooked. This happened

698
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. And then I went to

699
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: a fortune teller.

700
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: We all do when working for us.

701
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I had my mom wait out. My mother

702
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: was such a soldier.

703
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: You were a kid at a fortune teller.

704
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: I thought this was like later, No, no, no, this

705
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: is like how old, Are you going to the bount

706
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: at thirteen? So I went.

707
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: Your mom dropped you off. She took me to the dillon,

708
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: went in the house of a fort. Now I'm done

709
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: with bob billing things. Okay, your mom dropped you off

710
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: and you went into a fortune teller by yourself. Yeah,

711
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: how much does that cost?

712
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: Oh? Probably ten dollars, maybe fifteen.

713
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: And what do you ask the fortune teller?

714
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: It was on the edge of town where all the

715
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: turkey plane.

716
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: It has to be on the edge of town. Never

717
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: seen one of the middle of town.

718
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: I saw to me in the mountain Pine. Part of

719
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: the story this is I grew up in a town

720
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: that had a whole bunch of turkey factories where they

721
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: slaughtered them and eviscerated them and made the dog food

722
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: and the cat food and the turkey food. They do that,

723
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: and that's where the fortune tellers were. So anyway I went.

724
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: They had neon signs, so I knew they were there.

725
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: Mom dropped me off. I walked in, and I at

726
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: first I asked like the questions that I thought that

727
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: a fortune teller would like to answer, or was used

728
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 1: to answering, when will I lose my virginity. When what

729
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: will my job be? You know, will I be a

730
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: will I be will I make money? Will I live

731
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: a long life?

732
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: Got it?

733
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: But then I really asked the only question I was

734
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: there to ask, which was will I meet Bob Dylan?

735
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: And she scoured this hand and flopped and flipped and

736
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: then professed, You'll never meet Bob Dylan. And I was crushed.

737
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: She gave you ones?

738
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, she gave me all ones. And you know, when

739
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: you get the ones, it means you just rise because

740
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: there's nothing better than a door slammed in your face

741
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: as far as figuring out how to get in?

742
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: Did you believe the fortune teller? Oh?

743
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: And she was right? Yeah, I never met Bob Dylan.

744
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: No, I know. I just wonder if you believed the

745
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: fortune teller at thirteen, or if you thought this was

746
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: a novelty. What did your mom tell you about this?

747
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't know that I told my mom about what

748
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: I said with the four and Taylor, and mom had

749
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: recently gotten into therapy, and I think that she felt

750
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 1: that her children's sort of mental independence and sort of

751
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: sense of self and ego was a very healthy thing.

752
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: So Mom didn't ask me about what I had talked

753
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: the Fortune Teller about how do.

754
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: You feel about psychics?

755
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: Now, I feel pretty uninterested in psychics, and but Molly

756
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: is definitely a little bit more into.

757
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: I saw well.

758
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: I was surprised when you said fifteen dollars because I

759
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: just went to see one on tour this fall and

760
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: it was also fifteen dollars.

761
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: So they haven't really raised their visible string. Same one.

762
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: Oh, never raised the raids.

763
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 5: Wow, the Bobby cast will be right back. This is

764
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 5: the Bobby Cast.

765
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: I have thoughts on psychics. Would you like to hear them. Yeah,

766
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: It's one of those things that there is no way

767
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: I can possibly prove it's not true. No, I can't

768
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: prove that what they're doing. I can prove probably that

769
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: there are certain ones that are scamming people. I think

770
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: we can prove that, but I can't prove that that

771
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 2: is not an ability or a special I don't even

772
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: want to say, I'll say talent, a special talent. I

773
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: can't prove that nobody has.

774
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: It that's true, because if you see someone they tell

775
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: you something that's not true, when maybe they're just one

776
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: of the the ones that pretends to have it.

777
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: And I've gone to a couple, as I'm very much

778
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: a cynic in all facets of life. But and I

779
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: think most people that tell me things like or I

780
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: hear stories of like I died and saw when saw

781
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: the yellow light, and I can't prove they're not telling

782
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: the truth. Now I can often look at them and go,

783
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: you're full of crap, just generally, or you know, you're

784
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: trying to scam some money, but I can't prove that

785
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: that hasn't happened to anybody ever. I feel the same

786
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: way with eys. I cannot prove it's not true. I've

787
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: met a couple that I believe are a plus humans

788
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: and either I believe in them and they believe it,

789
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: so I go, maybe so. But I definitely would not

790
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: tell someone that psychics aren't real. Now do I believe

791
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: they're real?

792
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: No?

793
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: But not no, And there's a difference.

794
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: Yea.

795
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: There's a difference too about that.

796
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: And I feel that way about ghosts like same. I

797
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: have never seen one and I can't disprove it.

798
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: We'll be here for two hours if we're talking about

799
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: other dimensions and aliens are you not?

800
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: But not know?

801
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: With aliens, and I feel like aliens must exist for sure, yeah, Well,

802
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 2: there's just been so much that they've been slow rolling us,

803
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: especially in the last couple of years. They're rolling it

804
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 2: out there. There are certain things, and this is kind

805
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: of a place that I go and I tend to

806
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: make everybody roll their eyes in the back of their head.

807
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: There are these entities that we have recordings of that

808
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: are going so fast with no heat signature at all.

809
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: We do not have the ability, we don't possess the

810
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: science to have something move that fast with no heat

811
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: signature at all, the propulsion to move left, right, up, down.

812
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: So do I believe things are being kept from us? Absolutely?

813
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: What I think they're little green men coming from above.

814
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Maybe from the ocean. We don't

815
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: even know what's down there. We have mapped more of

816
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: general space than we have the ocean, and we're here

817
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: with that. But then also dimensionally, to me, what we

818
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: see is, let's say this show is on Netflix.

819
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: Right.

820
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: Let's say we're watching Stranger Things at the same exact time.

821
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: Orange is the New Black is on over here. Now

822
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: we're not watching it because we're too Our frequency is

823
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 2: on Stranger Things. Inside that streaming platform, there are five

824
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: thousand other shows over here that we can't see because

825
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: right now we're dialed into this one. And I kind

826
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: of feel that way about where we are now, Like

827
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 2: we can see certain even on the molecular level of

828
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: animals can see colors because they have different cones in

829
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: their eyes that we can't see. Just because we can't

830
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 2: see it, touch and feel, it doesn't mean it's not here.

831
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: And so yeah, that and I could do that for

832
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: a while. And I could also do simulation theory, where

833
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: I think that even if you just believe, if you're

834
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: even if you're a Christian, you believe in heaven and

835
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: that you start there, you come down here, you do

836
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: a little dance here, just try to get back there,

837
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: that's a version of simulation theory. Like so when people

838
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: go simulation theory, that sounds like robots or a Commodore

839
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: sixty four Oregon trail back in the day, I go

840
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: the word possibly does. But in theory, there are many

841
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: things that people accept that would be considered simulation theory.

842
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 2: And one of them, the one that I can mostly

843
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: preach to my friends, is if you believe we started

844
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 2: from beyond, and you believe Heaven earth, that we start there,

845
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: we come here we live a life. Hopefully we get

846
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: to go back there. This is a temporary organic being.

847
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: We're in to try to get our way back there.

848
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: And they go, oh, maybe you're on some anyway, So

849
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: how about that music?

850
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: Huh her little side.

851
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: So you went to a psychic Huh? I did.

852
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was on tour. I was just wandering around

853
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 3: Winston Salem, North Carolina this fall, and I've never actually been.

854
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: I don't think i'd ever gone to a psychic except

855
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: I have this one friend from high school is who

856
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: is psychic, and she reads tarot cards. So she's done that,

857
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: especially during the pandemic. When we started dating, she was

858
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: always reading my tarot cards and being like, I have

859
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 3: a good feeling about this. That was one of the

860
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 3: ways I kind of, you know, was like, Okay, I'm

861
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 3: gonna at least give it a try. When we were

862
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 3: starting to date, the tarot.

863
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: Cards got you.

864
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: My friend Maurissa is definitely Yeah, she's like a legit witch.

865
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: I feel that psychic is almost like saying alien and

866
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: little Green men, because I don't know that all psychics

867
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: just a term we associate with having some sort of

868
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 2: ability to see and feel things that maybe other people

869
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: can't tune into right and I'm not at wu wu

870
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: wa at all. But I do think people possess different

871
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: ways to interpret just general interpretation of things around us.

872
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: Psychic is the word we say when there are other

873
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: terms clairvoyant mediums. Yeah, so did you when you went

874
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: to yours It's not really yours, but the one you

875
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: went to. Did you feel like a thing when you?

876
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: Well, she told me I was going to be one

877
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: of the most powerful witches of all times.

878
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 2: Witches. Yeah, are you a witch?

879
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: She said, I don't think of myself as necessarily a witch.

880
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: It's not a bad word on.

881
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: But anyway, she was like, But she said, I only

882
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: had to tell my next birthday, which is actually today

883
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: is my.

884
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: Birthday, but literally today's birthday. He said. If I didn't figure out.

885
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: My witch powers before today, then I wasn't going to

886
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 3: actually become a witch.

887
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: And I don't.

888
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 3: I don't think I figured anything out.

889
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 2: You're doing this on your birthday. Now. I feel guilty

890
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: that you're here on your birthday.

891
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 3: No, this is the best way to spend my birthday.

892
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: Happy birthday, thank you, that's awesome. Holy crap. But I

893
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: didn't really figure out, she said. I need to figure

894
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: out my whole like you got till midnight? Then can

895
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: I suggest something kind of throws something that you What

896
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: if your powers are your music? Yeah, like literally music

897
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: comes or just any sort of art or interpretation in art.

898
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: Like some people just have the inate ability to do

899
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: that on a much more natural level. Some people, I

900
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: feel like I have to grind to get mine, like really,

901
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: like I don't like I'm not naturally that I think.

902
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: I I grip my teeth until I figure it out.

903
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure you're still I can't be in

904
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: your bodies. But what if like our magic is like

905
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 2: the art we create. Yeah, that's kind of like a week.

906
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: Like that's how I think of it. Like guitar witch,

907
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 2: they got one, they got ones that that's crazy. That's

908
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: because I've seen you play. They're jealous.

909
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: I was just running on like spite from the ones

910
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 3: for a while. You know, it kind of feelsier like wrong, No,

911
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 3: not really, I just think it's at this point.

912
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: But I'm a little bothered for you. Let me, I'll

913
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: take that on for you.

914
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 3: I kind of like I see where I got the

915
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: ones from because they were asking me things like play

916
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 3: a mix. Olidian scale, and I was like, I've never

917
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: heard that word a single time in my life.

918
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: When you get to Berkeley, did you find people like you? Yeah,

919
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: like for the first time, like really like you. Yeah.

920
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: It was really cool because I just found this I

921
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 3: just like clicked into this group of people who loved

922
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 3: like bluegrass music and roots music and old time and

923
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: were just totally focused on like learning and practicing. And

924
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: it was so cool, Like I felt like I was

925
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: at Hogwarts or something, because it was just this magical

926
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: experience where I got to solely focus on music for

927
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: I was there just two and a half years and

928
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: it was so much fun. But I played all over Boston.

929
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: They were bars that had weekly bluegrass bands playing at them.

930
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 3: The cantab Lounge was one where every Tuesday bluegrass Night

931
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 3: would happen, and I would play at that and these

932
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: other historic folk clubs like this club Club pas See

933
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: where Bob Dylan played in John Baiez played.

934
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: We would do.

935
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 3: Shows there and it was just really cool. I feel

936
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: like I instantly made friends, and I had this group

937
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: of people who we were always having these fun parties

938
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: and just playing music together.

939
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: Okay to Bob Dylan references, so I'm gonna go to

940
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: it now. You said you hadn't met him yet. I

941
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: think most casuals would know wagon Wheel. I don't think

942
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: i've ever asked you, like the actual story of that song,

943
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: like how you fold? Because I can I tell you

944
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: the version that I have in my head. That may

945
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: be wrong. Yeah, sure, you found out this is going

946
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: to be wrong, but this is just what I've picked up.

947
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: Because that sounds like you might be right.

948
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: Okay, you found an old CD your tapet with a

949
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: partial correct version of Bob Dylan singing wagon Wheel, and

950
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 2: you thought I'm going to finish this. You got it,

951
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: so tell me the real version.

952
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: Well, my my sort of coming of age experience was

953
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: when I when I opened up my case on a

954
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: street corner for the first time and realized, oh my god,

955
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: I don't need to stay, I don't need a venue.

956
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: I'll just do it right here on the curb. That

957
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: really opened a whole world of performance to me. And

958
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: we had these sidewalk preachers in my town, you know,

959
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: that would stand up on a crate and you know, proselytize.

960
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: So I saw it like that, and anyway, it just

961
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: it was real clear to me when I opened up

962
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: my case that I was a performer and I needed

963
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: songs and I so I learned as many songs as

964
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: I could all through my teenage years. But I also

965
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: wrote songs. I'm telling you this because if I hadn't

966
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: have been a songwriter in my teenage years, you know,

967
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have messed with this thing. But I was

968
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: already in the habit of rewriting music, you know, Like

969
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: the first song I ever wrote, like you know, was

970
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: a new version of the Lord's Prayer to music. And

971
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: then a lot of political things that I would read,

972
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: the declaration or the Pledge of allegiance.

973
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: So you would put melodies behind a father in heaven. Yeah,

974
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 2: so you were telling it really.

975
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, anything that was like scripty that you had

976
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: a cadence to it, put it to music, and I'd

977
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: take a little My mother was pissed about this, but

978
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: I put sharpie on the keys and then I write

979
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: them up there, so like triangle, this was like basic

980
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: shape note. I also went to a shape note singing

981
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: class when I was a kid at the Chautauqua Institute,

982
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: which is up in around Buffalo, New York. Anyway, I

983
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: was into music. I was into Bob Dylan, and those

984
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: rivers converged and this confluence was hearing finally this unfinished

985
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan masterpiece. It was like nobody had heard it yet.

986
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: It was cow on what.

987
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: It was on CD and it had been purchased by

988
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: my friend at the Virgin Megastore in London, England, and

989
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: then sent to me dubbed form on cassette via the

990
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: US mail.

991
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: When he bought that on CD. Though, what was the CD?

992
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: Well, remember back in the day when bootleg CDs could

993
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: be purchased in large urban areas, in huge crates by

994
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: people that were selling like twenty five fifty dollars for

995
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: a double album, and it was a lot of Bob Dylan,

996
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: a lot of Grateful Dead and you know Tom Petty

997
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: and Bruce and people like that. So a lot of

998
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan bootlegs were moving around through the early nineties.

999
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: My buddy heard one, send it to me. I heard

1000
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: this song. It was an outtake from a film called

1001
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, a movie that Chris

1002
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: Christofferson was in and was made in Durango, Mexico in

1003
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: seventy three or four or two. And I'm convinced Bobby

1004
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: that Bob Dylan was playing this song rock Me Mama

1005
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: like a wagon wheel, and then he put his guitar

1006
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: down and thought, nah, I can do better than that,

1007
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: and he began to write a new song which was

1008
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: very similar based on this song, a song that went Mama,

1009
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: take this badge off.

1010
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 2: Of me Mama Dick did. Yeah. Oh, I never thought

1011
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 2: about those being similar.

1012
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: Well, they were written in the same week. So anyway,

1013
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: I finished the song. I wrote it. It was good.

1014
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: It was instantly memorable to me. It was real autobiographical

1015
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: because as soon as I left high school, I moved

1016
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: to North Carolina. The whole song's about leaving New Hampshire

1017
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 1: and moving to You know, I didn't put Greensburro into

1018
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: it because I put Raleigh because of Sir Walter Raleigh,

1019
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: and that last line at the end at least I

1020
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: will die free if I get to Raleigh. That's the

1021
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: state motto of New Hampshire, live free or die So

1022
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: I again with the I just took the language around

1023
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: me and I funneled it into the songs that I

1024
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: was writing at the time.

1025
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: So were you just playing that song on the corner

1026
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: over and over again? Did you feel like you had

1027
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: something there, something good?

1028
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: Every time I'd played on the curb, I'd get tipped.

1029
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: It was like magic, you know.

1030
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: So did you keep that in your back pocket for

1031
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: when you started playing with the band.

1032
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: Well, then I started playing with the band, but we

1033
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: were so motivated by these American traditions that playing original

1034
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: music wasn't really our thing. So I just kept it,

1035
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: like say, in my back pocket. Then we moved to

1036
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: Nashville about nineteen ninety nine, two thousand and two thousand

1037
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: and one at that time, and then you know, they

1038
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: were like, well, you guys are really fun and interesting

1039
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: and visual, and but your material it's all raving old

1040
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: time music from the twenties and thirties. What do you

1041
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: got that's new? Because Nashville, Tennessee, you need new songs.

1042
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: You don't play old shit, So what do you got?

1043
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you could play some old songs, but this

1044
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: is a place for songwriters. And I was like, well,

1045
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: I got this one song and it was great. We

1046
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: played it right away and people, you know, we got

1047
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: an agent right away and then a manager. It opened

1048
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: up a lot of doors that song. Did that song?

1049
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: Did? I can remember? I know the video I've seen

1050
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: the video ten thousand times, Like it's one of the

1051
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: first YouTube music videos that I remember seeing, like when YouTube, Like,

1052
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 2: so you guys recorded the video. It's active, it's outside

1053
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: a lot, right.

1054
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's at a carnival, that's what it is. Yeah. Yeah,

1055
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: it's got burlesque dancers and Gillian Welch and David Rawlings

1056
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: are in it.

1057
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: Gillian Welch, isn't it.

1058
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1059
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: So that song did it open doors up for did

1060
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 2: it continue to open doors up for you guys for years?

1061
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of been a story of a song

1062
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: opening up doors for this for my band in my career, uh,

1063
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: my whole.

1064
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: Life, and Bob Dylan never reached out.

1065
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: Well about about fifteen years into the story, Bob Dylan

1066
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: reached out through his manager and said, Bob so pleased

1067
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: with Wagon Wheel that he wants catch to have another

1068
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: of Bob Dylan's castaway songs. So here it is. So

1069
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: I wrote that song, rewrote it, and then we made

1070
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: a slick video and it was our most top charting

1071
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: country thing of all time, you know, like it did good,

1072
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: Like I think we were in the crack the top

1073
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: twenty in the first week of you know, contemporary country music.

1074
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: But this was like two thousand and thirteen or something.

1075
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: You never met him, and no, and after that, like,

1076
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, just little I sure have thought about.

1077
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 2: Him open the door, bringing man Bob. Yeah, that would

1078
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: have been great on you.

1079
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: You are a male witch.

1080
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 2: That would have been great. No, really, that would have

1081
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: been great. Though I wish I feel.

1082
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 3: Like you are going to meet him though you're getting your.

1083
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 2: Do you want to meet him at this point?

1084
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: Uh? You know, when I was young, I met Ozzie Smith,

1085
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: who is my other hero.

1086
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: Saint Louis Cardinal shortstop who did backflip him doing backflips

1087
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 2: before a game going ahead. The short stop was one

1088
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: of the coolest And I'm a Cubs fan and that

1089
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: was one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

1090
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: So great.

1091
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how was he?

1092
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: He was pretty scary. I mean I met him when

1093
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: I was ten at a baseball stadium, and you know,

1094
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: he was gruff, and but I mean he was beautiful.

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00:49:58,920 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: God.

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00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he's still alive and active and he's at

1097
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: National Treasure.

1098
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: Was he nice to year?

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00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: He was nice enough. He wasn't, you know, callous or nothing,

1100
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: but he was gruff. But I like that and he

1101
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 1: made my life. But they say don't meet your heroes.

1102
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: And I met Ozzy and there was something radiant about him.

1103
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: So I feel like I've already met the hero. And

1104
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: so if I were to meet Bob and I just

1105
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to have a bad experience. But I tell you,

1106
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: my friend met Bob. My band made of Mine. We

1107
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: were he was out for because the Mumford Boys, who

1108
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: we did a lot of work with, Mumford and Sons,

1109
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: was on the Grammys one year and Bob Dylan was

1110
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: going to do a mashup and so they were in

1111
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: these rehearsals and my buddy was sitting there on the

1112
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: couch and Bob Dylan walks in and sits on the

1113
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: couch right across from him, and and T Bone's there,

1114
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: and we had just done this record with t Bone

1115
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: and this project and t Bones talking with Gil, my friend.

1116
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, yeah, you know, an old crow was

1117
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: back in the studio again. And Bob Dylan turns around

1118
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: and says, oh, crowe And Gil says yeah, have you

1119
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: have you heard of us? And and Bob says, yeah,

1120
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: you guys like chilling it. That's all I got. But

1121
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: that was enough for me, like I don't want to.

1122
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't want to mess with with the magic.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. Wow,

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00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: How did the writing?

1126
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: How?

1127
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: How was that?

1128
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: Clote?

1129
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: Is you and Bob? Is it co? Bob Dylan and catch?

1130
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? Catch seacor Bob Dylan co write fifty to fifty

1131
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: down the middle. And you know what's fascinating Bobby is

1132
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: that after the after the after we agreed on that

1133
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: co writing split. The manager said, now Bob has agreed

1134
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: to fifty to fifty Sea cor Dylan, but he'd like

1135
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: catch to know. Oh that Bob Dylan. He says he

1136
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: did not write that song. He learned it from Arthur Crudup.

1137
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 2: Was it so old though that it was public domain?

1138
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: Well, I listened to Arthur Crudup song rock Me Mama.

1139
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: The song was called rock my Mom when Bob recorded it,

1140
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: So rock me Mama. He's like, rock my Mama, dun't

1141
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: dunt dunt rock me all. Not that kind of thing.

1142
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: Memphis guy, he wrote, well that's all right, mama for Elvis. Right.

1143
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: So this guy, big Boy crowd Up was his name,

1144
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: but in the liner notes to the rock Me Mama

1145
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: to this album that had Arthur Crudups rock Me Mama

1146
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: on it, Arthur says he didn't write rock Me Mama.

1147
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: He learned it from Big Bill Brounsey. So now we're

1148
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: back to the twenties. See Arthur Croudup's from the fifties,

1149
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: but he learns it from this guy from the twenties,

1150
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: big Bill Brunsey. He's part of the great migration comes

1151
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: up fro Mississippi with Chicago and his song rock Me

1152
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: Mama starts there. So if you believe it, then you

1153
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: know that's nineteen twenty to Darius hearing it at his

1154
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: like daughter's you know, high school ukulele concert in you know,

1155
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten. I mean, it's like ninety years

1156
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: for that song to finally reach the person that was

1157
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: going to go get it out there into the world

1158
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: in such a unique, powerful way.

1159
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, a different boom when Darius did it. Yeah, I

1160
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: bet you killed on that, didn't you.

1161
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: You mean Doe Wise, I'm talking Dough.

1162
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 2: I bet you killed That's awesome.

1163
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to get me a scilt boy head home.

1164
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Yeah, that's really cool. I only knew a version,

1165
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: like a very general version of that story. That's crazy

1166
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: that you kept tracking it back.

1167
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, true, true. You know, so I don't know about

1168
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: aliens or spells and conjuring, but I know that there

1169
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: is magic in this world because rock me Mama, like

1170
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: a wagon wheel is a spell.

1171
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Speaker 2: Why'd you move to Nashville, Molly?

1172
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: I moved here after Boston. I was hanging out there

1173
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 3: and then all my friends were either moving to New

1174
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: York or Nashville, and I just like, like, even when

1175
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 3: I started at music college, I just assumed I would

1176
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 3: move to Nashville because all the music I listened to,

1177
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 3: all my favorite artists live there, and I just thought

1178
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 3: it would be so cool to, you know, get to

1179
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: meet my heroes and maybe do things like play on

1180
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 3: the Grand ol Opry, which was like a dream come

1181
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 3: true when it finally happened.

1182
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: So I did. I moved to.

1183
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: Nashville in the spring of twenty fifteen. So now I'm

1184
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: like going into my eleventh year here. And yeah, I

1185
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 3: lived in Madison at first, and I felt really far

1186
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 3: away from everything. I was like deep in Madison, living

1187
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 3: in this basement, and that was kind of like I

1188
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 3: struggled to find friends. I didn't actually really know anyone

1189
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: that well. I thought I knew all these people, but

1190
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 3: they were just kind of acquaintances. And then I moved

1191
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 3: to Nashville, and I was like, what am I doing?

1192
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, I don't even know what to

1193
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: do with myself.

1194
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: I didn't really have an agent or any gigs to

1195
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: speak of. I was kind of trying to put together

1196
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 3: money to just fund like recording a few of my

1197
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 3: songs to make an EP, and then I just sort

1198
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 3: of kept plowing ahead. And then after about a year,

1199
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Speaker 3: I moved to house in East Nashville, and that's where

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Speaker 3: I met Billy Strings. I was actually his roommate for

1201
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 3: like a year and a half. I lived with him

1202
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 3: and his girlfriend and now wife Ali.

1203
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 2: They were do you guys play music all the time?

1204
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 3: It was people always ask me that, and we did,

1205
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 3: like when everyone was around. We also had neighbors across

1206
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 3: the street. This woman, Lindsay Lou lived there and she's

1207
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 3: a great singer and songwriter and plays guitar and bass,

1208
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 3: and she would have these big jam sessions and host

1209
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 3: house concerts, so a lot of the music was centered

1210
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 3: around her house. Billy was playing like over two hundred

1211
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 3: shows a year, and he was just gone all the time.

1212
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 3: It was really inspiring to see how hard he was working.

1213
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: I think he said once he told his agents, just

1214
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 3: booked me as many shows as you possibly can. And

1215
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 3: I was also playing a lot, So sometimes one of

1216
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 3: us would get home and just like crash for a

1217
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 3: few days and like not even really do anything. But

1218
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 3: we did definitely play music. And it was just a

1219
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: really fun on street to live on because there was

1220
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: always something going on, always, like people coming through town

1221
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 3: and staying with one of the houses. There were kind

1222
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 3: of these two music houses. There was ours and one

1223
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 3: across the street. So yeah, that's kind of how I

1224
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: found my group. I felt like I found my people

1225
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 3: and that just made it so much. Felt like Nashville

1226
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 3: kind of opened up then after about a year, but

1227
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 3: at first it was really intimidating.

1228
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 2: Have you felt both of you in the last five years,

1229
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: Because if I were going to pinpoint it, I'd say

1230
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: around five years for me is when bluegrass really started

1231
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: trickling and then flowing into mainstream more. Have you guys

1232
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 2: felt that in the last few years.

1233
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, like I think the pandemic, Like

1234
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: you were saying, the last five years or so, coming

1235
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 3: out of the pandemic, I just noticed this big boom

1236
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 3: and playing shows before everything shut down because of COVID,

1237
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 3: and then after it was kind of like night and day,

1238
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 3: like just the different There were just like all different

1239
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 3: kinds of people coming out to the shows, bigger shows,

1240
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 3: and the audience was just growing and growing. That's been

1241
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 3: really cool to see, and I feel like Billy's been

1242
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 3: such a huge part of that. Like just going to

1243
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: a show's here in Nashville. He'll be playing sold out

1244
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 3: shows at Bridgestone Arena and just seeing like ten thousand

1245
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 3: people singing along with like a Bill Monroe song from

1246
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 3: the nineteen fifties is so cool.

1247
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?

1248
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a really amazing power that American

1249
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: music traditions have of coming back up, bubbling back up

1250
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: to the surface again. And I agree it's happening right

1251
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: now very much so. But it happens all through the

1252
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: course of you know, American popular music, like starting in Nashville.

1253
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: You know, we talk a lot about the outlaw movement,

1254
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, that is a return to roots and basics,

1255
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: the neo traditionalist movement of the eighties with artists like

1256
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: Randy Travis and you know, Susie Bogas. That's about getting

1257
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: back to just about the song. It's not about the

1258
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: production values anymore. Let's make let's simplify, And that simplification

1259
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: is something that that country music is always going to

1260
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: be interested in doing because we're always looking back and

1261
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: making sure that we did right by our raisin. You know,

1262
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: we're trying to look to our elders in this genre

1263
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: and be both you know, present in the in you know,

1264
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: in these times and looking forward, but also are we

1265
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: doing right to old Grandpa and grandma? Would would the

1266
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: elders look upon us and still dig this There's just

1267
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: a through line of of the of of tradition here.

1268
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: And I think the guy that really one way of

1269
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: looking at it is Roy Acuff who says that what

1270
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: makes country music so unique is that it's not a

1271
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: learned art form, it's an inherited one. So I think

1272
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: with that inheritance, there's just there comes something, there's a

1273
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: there's a responsibility to it. H and and traditional American

1274
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: music is always going to find a way because it's

1275
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: so elemental, you know, it's black, white, brown. It's it

1276
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: is you know, a common denominator. It's it's a set

1277
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: of chords. It's an instrumentation, it's a sound, and everything's

1278
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: built on it. All these records on the wall are

1279
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: are you know, related to the past because of its power.

1280
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: One other thing he told me when I saw him

1281
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. It's just coming into my

1282
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: head now because we talked for a while. All I

1283
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: remember he had a bunch of go on his face.

1284
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: So now you admit you saw the He said, Uh,

1285
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: he was bragging on you, and he said, just got engaged.

1286
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: She's up for two Grammys. He said, yeah, that's what

1287
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: it was.

1288
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 3: So exciting this fall because I found out about the

1289
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 3: Grammys and then we got engaged. I was like, I

1290
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 3: don't know which one I'm more excited about.

1291
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: You come on, you know which one. That's all I know.

1292
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: The Grammys.

1293
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: She's been this guy has been winning Grammy's left and right.

1294
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

1295
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: And my kids like to tease me because it took.

1296
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: Me last time because we both have two grammy Yeah,

1297
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 3: brag about she has two Grammys.

1298
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: It took me like two decades to get my two Grammys.

1299
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: And she just like she just pulling them off the Grammy.

1300
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 3: Tree and they said, Dad, why did it take you

1301
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 3: so long to get two Grammys?

1302
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 2: What is your answer to that question?

1303
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 3: We called them and they're like roasting him there at.

1304
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: An age, And Bobby, you'll you'll know what I'm talking

1305
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: about when your child is roasting you. I see you've

1306
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: got a lot of awards up here. It won't be

1307
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: enough for your child.

1308
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if there ever will be enough for

1309
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: a child, because they know you, they're going to be

1310
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: judged more than any Yeah, when you did Kimmel and

1311
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 2: now I'm thinking back of like it's not an acceptance

1312
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 2: from mainstream. I think it's mainstream understanding it bluegrass. I'm

1313
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 2: intimidated by it because just looking because again I have

1314
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: very general music skills. I can play some chords. I

1315
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 2: bought a chord sheet from Walmart. I learned to play

1316
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: chords like I do comedy with music, so I know

1317
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: the CG, D.

1318
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: E D.

1319
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 2: Mind like I can do all the generals, so then

1320
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 2: I can under I can understand enough because I perform,

1321
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: but I don't. But when I watch you guys play

1322
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 2: a banjo, mandoline, even guitar, bluegrass style. It's so fast.

1323
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: It is so fast, and that is extremely intimidating, and

1324
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 2: so to watch that, you're like, wow, it's like watching

1325
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: a dentist. Like I said, the two things that freaked

1326
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 2: me out are dentists and bluegrass players. But with like

1327
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: going on Kimmel, that's mainstream starting to have an understanding

1328
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: right of how dynamic it is that what you do.

1329
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 2: What was that experience like there in Los Angeles playing Kimmel.

1330
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was cool because I mean I was I

1331
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 3: was so excited about it. I'd done it once before,

1332
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 3: like two years ago. I went on and played a song,

1333
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,959
Speaker 3: and I was so nervous because it was the first

1334
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 3: ever time I'd really been on, especially late night. I

1335
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 3: hadn't really done much TV, and so coming back and

1336
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 3: doing it a second time, I kind of knew what

1337
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 3: to expect and I was able to just, you know,

1338
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 3: calm the nerves a little bit more and just sort

1339
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 3: of have fun.

1340
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 2: So it was great.

1341
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 3: Their whole team was awesome. We just it was very

1342
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 3: relaxed pace. We recorded in the afternoon and we got

1343
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 3: to come back and watch the taping of the show

1344
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 3: the rest of the show. So yeah, I had a

1345
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 3: great time. And it was just cool to hear from,

1346
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 3: Like my mom was like, oh, my neighbors are tuning

1347
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 3: in and just stuff like that, like people back home

1348
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 3: were watching.

1349
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 2: Well, I apologize for not knowing you were on the

1350
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: first time. Oh well, no, where the last time? I

1351
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 2: was like, MoMA's on Kimmel. That's crazy. I didn't know

1352
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: it was old hat to you by then.

1353
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just old Kimmel. Now do you know it's

1354
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 3: so exciting?

1355
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: Do you feel like with again? I would say the

1356
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: last five years, I've started to feel bluegrass just in

1357
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 2: general musical society, right, I don't, you don't don't. I

1358
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 2: don't feel like I have to chase it down to

1359
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: find it. I feel like it just exists in spaces.

1360
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: With your last record, do you feel like you can

1361
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 2: easily incorporate more non traditional bluegrass into your record because

1362
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 2: people are accepting it? So? I don't know. It feels

1363
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 2: like because when I listened to your last album, So

1364
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: Long Little Miss Sunshine, I love the movie Little Miss Sunshine,

1365
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 2: I get those confused. Yeah, do you feel like that

1366
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 2: you can you have the liberties to to incorporate things

1367
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: that aren't just bluegrass?

1368
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of what I was hoping to do

1369
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 3: with that record and still kind of keeping those bluegrass

1370
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 3: elements of my flat picking guitar and like catch played

1371
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 3: a bunch of banjo and fiddle and mandolin and but

1372
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 3: then just kind of infusing it with all these different sounds.

1373
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 3: And Jay Joyce, who produced the album, was fun to

1374
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 3: work with because he just was seeing it from this

1375
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 3: totally other perspective and adding so many cool sounds. So

1376
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 3: I was happy without turned out. In my last couple

1377
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 3: records before that, I really wanted to keep in that

1378
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 3: bluegrass tradition and you know, maybe stretch the boundaries a

1379
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 3: little bit, but not play with it too much. So

1380
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 3: it was fun on this last record to just like

1381
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 3: try something new and try out these different sounds. But yeah,

1382
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 3: I think like it's funny because in the bluegrass world,

1383
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 3: they're a little more closed. Like I've heard from people

1384
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 3: who mainly exclusively listen to bluegrass that they think my

1385
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 3: record is just not bluegrass at all, But then people

1386
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 3: outside of bluegrass call it bluegrass. So that's something I've

1387
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,479
Speaker 3: always sort of ran into, Like.

1388
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 2: It's tremendously bluegrass to me, yeah, but not so fundamentally

1389
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 2: bluegrass that I feel uncomfortable, right, if that makes sense.

1390
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, It's not like going to

1391
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 3: the dentist exactly right, But.

1392
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: It's like, and I don't just walk by the room.

1393
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: I walk in the room because I'm not scared of it. Okay,

1394
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: the last thing I want to talk about. We mentioned

1395
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 2: he Rose earlier. I know you're going out with Marty Stewart. Yes,

1396
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: and you're touring there, so exciting. Yeah. So and you

1397
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 2: got first name, it's Molly and Marty.

1398
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 3: He made that poster, he made that tour name, and

1399
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 3: then he put my name first, which was so nice

1400
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 3: of him. So what I would definitely.

1401
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 2: Put his name before me. What's that show going to be?

1402
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: Like?

1403
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 3: Well, I saw him last week. We were both teaching

1404
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 3: at a camp and we were just kind of talking

1405
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 3: because we haven't exactly figured out what we're gonna do.

1406
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 3: I'm bringing out kind of an acoustic trio for my set,

1407
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 3: and then he'll have his fabulous superlatives with him and

1408
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 3: I love his band so much, so I'm hoping we

1409
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 3: can do a lot of collaboration.

1410
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: But it's gonna be fun.

1411
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 3: Like the Winner is sort of the more slow period

1412
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 3: for touring, so I'm excited to go out with Mark

1413
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 3: and just see what we can do. And we're doing

1414
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 3: two weekends in February. But I've never actually gotten to

1415
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 3: play with him before, so I'm so excited because he

1416
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 3: kind of weaves in his mandolin playing and that bluegrass

1417
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 3: and just takes it in a totally other direction with

1418
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 3: his band. And I love his guitar player, Kenny Vaughan.

1419
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 3: He's one of the best. I used to go all

1420
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 3: all we'se. I would try to go see him at

1421
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: his weekly shows around town in Nashville. So I hope

1422
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 3: that we can have some guitar battles.

1423
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 2: That's cool. Yeah, that you can even go out like that.

1424
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 2: I can't battle. I'm not ficiate enough of anything to

1425
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 2: battle anybody in anything. Just generally speaking, I'd.

1426
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: Love to do you ever have openers?

1427
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 2: Oh, are you like to get gig three? Well, you're

1428
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 2: too good now.

1429
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: No, No, I want to see your show real bad.

1430
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: But I'm on the opry. I'm not touring at all now.

1431
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: I did a special last year and seemt picked it up,

1432
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: a comedy special. You won't do any hard tickets this year.

1433
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: I don't have any plans to.

1434
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: Oh well, I did my special and I was like.

1435
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: I did this, That's cool. I toured it the theater's

1436
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: all over America and recorded it. Then somebody bought it

1437
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 2: and I thought, man, I'm good. That's great. But this

1438
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 2: year I'm pretty baby. Oh that's a big job.

1439
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: Well in the next couple of years. I'm just excited

1440
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: about when you get back to the stage. We want

1441
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: to come to see your because we want to come see

1442
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:16,439
Speaker 1: the show.

1443
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 2: Well, enough about me. If you want to get tickets

1444
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 2: to Molly and Marty, you can go to Molly Tuttle

1445
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 2: music dot com and get tickets to the show. Are

1446
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 2: you guys playing Nashville at all? No, we're not. I

1447
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 2: think I get why not because I I love living here.

1448
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 2: I hate playing here because it's like a big long

1449
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: meet and greet because everybody comes, and then then you

1450
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 2: feel everybody's judging you. So nervous. When I play in

1451
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 2: Me Too, I'm gonna let out man securities here.

1452
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: It's stressful. It's always that there's a.

1453
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 2: Lot of people before you have to talk to everybody

1454
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 2: from the industry count in your head space. You don't

1455
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 2: have your normal.

1456
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 3: Ye, la is scary.

1457
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: They just there's this pressure, like You're supposed to be

1458
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: really good in these towns, but you can suck in Peoria.

1459
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: Nobody will care.

1460
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 2: They think it's a great thing you've ever seen. When

1461
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 2: I go to North Dakota, I'm the King. I love

1462
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 2: playing in Me Dakota too. Yeah, yeah, it was awesome. Okay,

1463
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 2: last thing, we're talking about heroes. That's why I remember

1464
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 2: to talk about Marty. You haven't met Bob Dylan? What

1465
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 2: hero have you met? I'm gonna ask you guys both

1466
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 2: this question. What hero have you met? And what hero

1467
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: have you not met? You got Bob who you haven't?

1468
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: Who have you met?

1469
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: Merle?

1470
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 2: Tell me about it.

1471
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: I Marty is a friend of mine, and Marty was

1472
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: a real discoverer of my band, Old Crow, and brought

1473
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: me under his great, big hill Billy wings and just

1474
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: made me feel like I belonged to Nashville. Marty Stewart

1475
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: did that for me. And one of the ways he

1476
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: did it was taking me out on the road with

1477
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: Merle Haggard, who was the headliner on this tour sponsored

1478
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: by the waffle House. And this was back in the

1479
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: early aughts. You know, a waffle House tour. They got

1480
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: their money's worth on that sponsorship you had six? Yeah, man,

1481
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean it was just enough. How many ways we

1482
01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: got to have our Ash Browns on that too?

1483
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 3: It I love.

1484
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 2: In Arkadelphia. I did it every morning, well late night morning. Yeah, yeah,

1485
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 2: I just love. So you have met yeah, Merle, you

1486
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 2: haven't met Bob? Who have you not met? Molly?

1487
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 3: I was trying to think about this, and.

1488
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 2: Who have you met? You can leave it or I

1489
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 2: can tell I can I can tell my story while

1490
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 2: you think of your I met who I haven't met?

1491
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 2: Is my number one all time hero, David Letterman. Oh

1492
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 2: not met him?

1493
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: Oh?

1494
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 2: And I don't live in the world of worried that

1495
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: people aren't nice. I just expect nobody to be nice. Therefore,

1496
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm not disappointed.

1497
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 1: Very nice.

1498
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 2: He's my hero. I saw him as a kid and

1499
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,839
Speaker 2: thought he looks different than everybody else, even a bit awkward.

1500
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 2: And that was me. And he was from the Midwest.

1501
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 2: Everything about him said you don't have to look or

1502
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 2: sound or be like everybody else to be somebody in

1503
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 2: that space. And I would watch when it was on

1504
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 2: NBC before I went to CBS, like I wouldn't even

1505
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 2: know what I was watching. And I would stay up

1506
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 2: late and watch Letterman every night. And so Letterman is

1507
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 2: the hero that I haven't met is my number one

1508
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 2: all time hero. Haven't met him. A musical hero I

1509
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 2: have met like two years ago, and I may tell

1510
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 2: you who it is yet, but I'll tell you a story.

1511
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 2: I was nervous about meeting him only because the first

1512
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 2: time I was meeting, well, he was playing a show

1513
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 2: in town first, and I refuse to do me and

1514
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 2: greet because I had heard he wasn't super nice, not

1515
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 2: that he was mean, and I just didn't want to

1516
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 2: and also I don't I'm jaded in that way. So

1517
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I'll just go to the show.

1518
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 2: I did go to the show, but I did not

1519
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 2: want to meet him. So and also, meet and greets

1520
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 2: are weird. Sometimes the artist is plenty of times sometimes

1521
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 2: the artist doesn't, and they're humans with awesome days, bad days,

1522
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 2: et cetera. I'm gonna pass on that. I go to

1523
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 2: the show, have a great time. A year and a

1524
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: half or so later, I got a call, Hey, would

1525
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 2: you like to have so and so on your show?

1526
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: And I'm like, absolutely, very low expectation because even the

1527
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 2: interviews that I had seeing this person do weren't great.

1528
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,600
Speaker 2: Didn't offer a lot in the interviews, and but it

1529
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 2: didn't matter. It's to me. I'm gonna take it. He

1530
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 2: comes to the studio, sits for an hour, was the

1531
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 2: most generous with his stories, was so great. And he

1532
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 2: said to me during the interview, you didn't come to

1533
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 2: the meet and greet. Oh he was waiting for you.

1534
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: And I said, I did, and I'll tell you why.

1535
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 2: And he said, I get it. I understand that completely.

1536
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 2: And since then I wouldn't say we're friends, but we

1537
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 2: definitely we communicate a little, you know, through text. It's

1538
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 2: Adam Durret's Count of Crows. Nice, Wow, wouldn't And that's

1539
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 2: my favorite band ever, And so I had a very

1540
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 2: low expectation and it was met really high. And also

1541
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 2: I don't like push them, like like hanging out buddy,

1542
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 2: because then eventually all humans are human and you'll be like,

1543
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 2: how the dude sucks? But I don't want that. So

1544
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 2: I love him. He's been so awesome, and he's been

1545
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 2: on the show a couple of times, and I go

1546
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 2: when he's in town. So that does Letterman know Durret's yes, okay, Molly, okay,

1547
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 2: I've thought about mine.

1548
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,839
Speaker 3: I think one hero who I got to meet briefly

1549
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, which was my all time

1550
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 3: made me so excited, was Joni Mitchell. I met her

1551
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 3: backstage at the Grammys. I got to announce her Grammy Award,

1552
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 3: and so right before I was going out to announce,

1553
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 3: she was up for Best Folk Album and Ketch was

1554
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 3: always also up to.

1555
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: The fort Mitchell and my girl.

1556
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 3: So I felt kind of bad because I was like ruined.

1557
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,600
Speaker 2: I was. I didn't want to root against you, but

1558
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 2: I was like.

1559
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: It's Joni Mitchell, definitely rooting against me John. Of course, when.

1560
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 2: Yes, so I met, I got to say hi to

1561
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 2: her right before and.

1562
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm gonna announce your award.

1563
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 2: She's the one.

1564
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 3: I just absolutely love her and I learned so much

1565
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 3: from her guitar playing. I think she's so like I mean,

1566
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 3: she's definitely people hold her in such high regard as

1567
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 3: a guitar player, but I still think she's underrated because

1568
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 3: she is just so amazing as well as her songwriting

1569
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 3: and singing. But it was really cool to meet her

1570
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 3: and she was just super nice. Although it was like

1571
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 3: super brief, and then I just handed her the Grammy.

1572
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, do you have a picture of

1573
01:11:59,120 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 2: you two together?

1574
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 3: And I have like a whole video of it. I

1575
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 3: should print out a picture. That was a cool moment.

1576
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 3: And then someone who I haven't met, who I've been

1577
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 3: thinking about this last like year or so, that I

1578
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 3: really want to meet her because she's from the same

1579
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 3: she grew up in the same town as me, Palo Walto,

1580
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 3: as Joan Bayez, and I feel like I just know

1581
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 3: so many people who know her or encountered her in

1582
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 3: the Bay Area, and she's someone I've never met, but

1583
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 3: I'm I really want to because my mom saw her

1584
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 3: in a shoe store like six months ago, and she

1585
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 3: just sees her like around town.

1586
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, I need to meet her. She seems like

1587
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 2: she is awesome and also takes no crap. Yeah still,

1588
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 2: and that that's really cool.

1589
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, she seems like a really cool person.

1590
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: What's the instrument that Joni Mitchell plays. It's like flat

1591
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:42,959
Speaker 2: and fish.

1592
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 3: Oh, the dulcimer, Matt.

1593
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 2: I'm intimated by that, the dentist bluegrass, and those three.

1594
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be intimidated by it.

1595
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: It looks intimidating.

1596
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: Just say, welcome to the boyhood home of Bobby bones

1597
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: dulcimer mast It's not.

1598
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:02,759
Speaker 2: A hard it's an easy instrument.

1599
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: You just go like this.

1600
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 2: It's just a rhythm, says people that are playing with

1601
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 2: a stick. Do you know the County Crow song? That

1602
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 2: is a Jonny Mitchell song? A little trivia before we leave?

1603
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 2: Johnny Mitchell made it a massive hit. County Crows then

1604
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 2: had a song, oh, Big Yellow Taxis.

1605
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it seemed to go yeah, but you

1606
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,520
Speaker 1: don't know what it's a great version.

1607
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 2: Of that he did.

1608
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then mister Jones, I mean, I'm with you

1609
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: on Counting Crows.

1610
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 2: You want mister Jones, Huh, mister Jones, that's like the

1611
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 2: biggest song. That means if you like somebody's biggest song,

1612
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 2: that'd be like, I'm a huge old Crow fan. I

1613
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 2: love wagon will.

1614
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: That's cool with me?

1615
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, But you know they're just kind of casuals.

1616
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: I knew Big Yellow Taxi.

1617
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 2: Yeah you did. No, I'm not calling you a casual.

1618
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 2: You just went right to mister Jones. Okay, that'll it.

1619
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: Is because he says, I want to be Bob Dylan.

1620
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: It's something that I have in common with that.

1621
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 2: Now you're getting in.

1622
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 3: Now you can name the lyrics, so you're getting a

1623
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 3: little more cred do.

1624
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: You know what?

1625
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go. We're all connected here. Do you know

1626
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 2: what Darius song says that Bob Dylan's cool.

1627
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I only want to be with you. He

1628
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: got sued for that one.

1629
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 2: Hey, Bobby is so cool. And I texted her, was like,

1630
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 2: what's that mean? He goes, Bob Dylan Dune who got

1631
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 2: he was.

1632
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: Wearing we first met. I mean he took it straight

1633
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 1: out of Tangled Up in Blue. I think he even

1634
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: says Tangled Up and Blue one of it. Yeah, oh yeah,

1635
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: that was a big lawsuit.

1636
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah that let's if you credit the song you took

1637
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 2: it from. We got not a steal better than that,

1638
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,879
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. It was the happy birthday

1639
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 2: Thank you? That's oh man, this has been super fun

1640
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 2: for me. Thank you guys both for coming up, Thanks

1641
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 2: for having I'm fans of both of you for different reasons.

1642
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 2: And now, yeah, you know what, I co signed Marrier.

1643
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 2: He brought you here. We're not we haven't even recording before.

1644
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: You don't want me to do that? No, don't gasp,

1645
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 2: there's no chance.

1646
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 3: So would you like, actually, you know.

1647
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 2: Do you know where you're getting married. If you haven't

1648
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 2: said it yet, you don't ask, don't know.

1649
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: We're not worried about.

1650
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 2: Well, do you know when you're getting married?

1651
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,440
Speaker 1: We don't know that either. We're basically we're newly engaged

1652
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: and we like it that way.

1653
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 3: What happens we're calling around and our schedules are so loose.

1654
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: Anyway, that show them the ring.

1655
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 3: It catches great, great, pretty mother's ring. Oh really, yeah,

1656
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 3: the ring was so I was so surprised. I was like,

1657
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 3: you kept this a secret because he's had it this

1658
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 3: whole time.

1659
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 2: Did you keep it a secret like hidden on you

1660
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 2: when you guys were because he said, were you at

1661
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 2: the red Woods? Yeahs are coming online from the conversation now.

1662
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'll tell you about man.

1663
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 2: Exactly as we know each other.

1664
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: I met you one time.

1665
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 2: No, that's not true. I met you at the opery.

1666
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 2: We talked to the opera even on my show, and.

1667
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 1: I made twice.

1668
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 2: Three times. And also my my co hosts lived next

1669
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 2: door to you. There's we have an invisible string with

1670
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 2: a too. Okay, so don't act like we just met.

1671
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 2: Don't act like you do.

1672
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: I just I'm understanding. Now why I was so revealing

1673
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: to you when I saw you. I was just so

1674
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: taken that you came out to see my Christmas album

1675
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: release in store. I just that was a.

1676
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 2: Real But I like you guys, and I was over

1677
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 2: there and I was like, I'm going to hop in

1678
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 2: there and watch this, and then it turns out I

1679
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 2: was an hour early.

1680
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why I told you my whole life

1681
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,799
Speaker 1: story and my love story.

1682
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1683
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: I might have wept a little bit. I'm not sure

1684
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: how much how far I went, but I'm glad we're friends,

1685
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad we got to be on your

1686
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 1: show and it's inaugural season.

1687
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I know this is fair enough you guys for

1688
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 2: coming by. You guys are both amazing. Much success to

1689
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 2: both of you in life and in career, and I

1690
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 2: know that's that's all I have to say. Thank you

1691
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 2: guys for coming by exactly

1692
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.