Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: Miles.
Speaker 1: We were thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 1: by one of the very favorite guests on TDZ, A poet,
Speaker 1: a podcaster you can hear on the American Hysteria podcast,
Speaker 1: exploring the fantastical thinking and irrational fears of Americans. No
Speaker 1: that can't be right, not Americans through the lens of
Speaker 1: moral panics, urban legends, conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: Much else.
Speaker 1: Please welcome the brilliant, the talented Chelsea Webers.
Speaker 2: Hello here, Hello, as always, is it weep A Weber.
Speaker 3: It's Weber.
Speaker 2: First, I did make sure. I had to make sure.
Speaker 3: It's actually Debber.
Speaker 1: Oh, Chris Weberber. I went through and on all documents.
Speaker 1: I did a global search of my computer, every document
Speaker 1: on my computer and changed it so to make sure
Speaker 1: it said Weber like Chris web three point zero.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: All what's new, Chelsea has been too long.
Speaker 4: It's been too long, I know well, as I told
Speaker 4: you guys we've been working on Well, we actually just
Speaker 4: finished a Jackass series and that was a lot of fun,
Speaker 4: and I feel like that's up your alley.
Speaker 3: Did you guys read Bake Brother magazine growing up?
Speaker 2: Did? I did?
Speaker 5: And I also made stupid shopping part like prank videos
Speaker 5: at the at the local grocery stores.
Speaker 2: With my friends, and yeah, I was. I was.
Speaker 5: I was like at the perfect age when Jackass came
Speaker 5: out and it basically destroyed half of my body.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing the Jackass videos when they were video
Speaker 1: like hs is being traded people like friend in Chicago.
Speaker 1: I went visit a friend in Chicago, like in high school,
Speaker 1: and he showed me them and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, what the fuck is this is crazy?
Speaker 3: I remember that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Or what dude remember that one?
Speaker 5: Yeah? He beats up all those dudes outside the seven eleven.
Speaker 5: Yeah or Mike Vallli, I mean I think that's his name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, part We were like, yo, dude, he legit beat
Speaker 2: these dudes up.
Speaker 1: I think the things the sketch I remember is someone
Speaker 1: was just carrying like ordered all the McDonald's, was carrying
Speaker 1: it on a tray and then just did like a
Speaker 1: spectacular fall and like they they just went everywhere.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's bam, yeah, genius, genius.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was. I was willing to rab himself, Chris rab.
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, oh man slewsberry Stuber for Kiki
Speaker 5: one of my favorites.
Speaker 4: And he hates Mustard and that's his big thing is
Speaker 4: he's whatever Mustard gets by him? Is that not that
Speaker 4: that's like oh right, that's your yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: He had the crazy big hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, like the Viking status. Yeah exactly. Now
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think I'll have to go back and
Speaker 2: what you do you do?
Speaker 3: I think you'd like this episode you should listen to.
Speaker 4: It's very much about how gay Jackass was too and
Speaker 4: how much of a revolution it was at the time
Speaker 4: to just have dudes hanging out the way they were
Speaker 4: and not, you know.
Speaker 3: Being afraid again.
Speaker 4: Even though it was a joke, it was like a
Speaker 4: big change from like the really.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me put a firework up your asshole. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you're like.
Speaker 4: Yes, somo, yeah exactly. But the other thing I wanted
Speaker 4: to share with you all is, uh, We've been doing
Speaker 4: new thing on our show called the Urban Legends Hotline,
Speaker 4: and people can call in and record stories from their
Speaker 4: childhood and then we'll like deep just do whatever research
Speaker 4: we decide. And the one we're working on right now
Speaker 4: is about this place called Pig Hill in Pennsylvania, and
Speaker 4: it's about a group of cannibal pig people that eat
Speaker 4: teenagers on a lover's lane up there, like an imbred family, right,
Speaker 4: kind of a classic legend. And so what do you say, deliverance, Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 4: But we've been like getting really into the pig part
Speaker 4: of it, you know, like why are they specifically pig people?
Speaker 4: And I was able to dig up the very first
Speaker 4: trial that was based on a false confession in American
Speaker 4: history that ended in an execution, and it was actually
Speaker 4: about a man accused of best reality, he was like
Speaker 4: an indentured servant and he was accused of it because the.
Speaker 3: Pig gave birth to a piglet.
Speaker 4: That was deformed and looked like the man who was
Speaker 4: a servant.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, they tried.
Speaker 4: Him and hanged him for a pig paternity test and
Speaker 4: that was Yeah, that's that's the very first false confession
Speaker 4: as well, because they basically badgered him into confessing and
Speaker 4: he thought, okay, you know, based on other trials I've
Speaker 4: seen if I say, if I repent to God and
Speaker 4: say yes I did this and I'm sorry, I'll get off,
Speaker 4: but then they were like no, we're going to hang
Speaker 4: you anyway. And then he's like, okay, well I really
Speaker 4: didn't do this, and uh yeah, and then there was
Speaker 4: a big beast reality panic and it ended up meaning
Speaker 4: that women were the ones milking the cows always because
Speaker 4: men were literally not allowed in barns unless they had
Speaker 4: a chaperone.
Speaker 2: Wait, so like a milkmaid?
Speaker 5: Is is we have that because motherfuckers couldn't keep their
Speaker 5: hands on man's Well not exactly.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, it was a panic, right, so of course
Speaker 4: yes that happened. But it was a panic around specifically
Speaker 4: like servants or like poor people who were you know,
Speaker 4: accused of this crime, often because it was convenient because
Speaker 4: they wanted to try them for something else. But once
Speaker 4: it started to reach like the richer Americans where they
Speaker 4: were getting accused as well, then suspiciously the panic just
Speaker 4: kind of fizzled out. So kind of a classic moral panic.
Speaker 4: But sixteen hundreds we must.
Speaker 2: Take note of this.
Speaker 5: We mus the cycle of panics and how we can
Speaker 5: maybe abbreviate them because we're in the midst.
Speaker 2: Of multiple cycles.
Speaker 1: Now yeah, right, yeah, have you ever looked into is
Speaker 1: America more panicked than other nations or is this just
Speaker 1: a cycle that every country like goes through.
Speaker 2: It feels like America is more irrational, right.
Speaker 4: I think it depends. I mean, there are some wild
Speaker 4: moral panics all around the world. It just really I mean,
Speaker 4: I think that that's pretty equal across the board. It's
Speaker 4: just like translated through different religions and cultures. So it's
Speaker 4: like we might look at one panic, like there's a
Speaker 4: panic in different parts of the world where your penis
Speaker 4: is disappearing and you freak out. And that's been like
Speaker 4: even recently, people's penises have been suspiciously disappearing.
Speaker 2: So you know we might share for that. Not that
Speaker 2: I'm worried, but what what is care for that?
Speaker 3: You know, I haven't looked enough. Well, you know, it
Speaker 3: never leaves.
Speaker 5: So wait, what is that someone people are claiming their
Speaker 5: penises have vanished like their body.
Speaker 1: You remember, I remember that's from the cracked days that
Speaker 1: that was in another country.
Speaker 3: That you do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and it goes back to like like I
Speaker 4: just typed in penis Spanish panics right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: They call it turtle penis because the penis like retracts
Speaker 1: into the body.
Speaker 5: Okay, you got it, turtle penis panic. Okay, I'll look
Speaker 5: I'm gonna look at.
Speaker 1: Anyways, we could clearly talk about this all day. I
Speaker 1: heard that some best reality is where Grimace came from
Speaker 1: actually in the first place.
Speaker 3: Makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people don't know that. What is something,
Speaker 2: Courtney that you think is overrated?
Speaker 6: Well, I just opened a student loan bill this morning,
Speaker 6: so I was reminded about college and how I still
Speaker 6: owe eight thousand dollars and how I'm probably going to
Speaker 6: go into my forties and still owe money.
Speaker 3: So I feel different. I feel scammed.
Speaker 5: What do you was like at the time, right when
Speaker 5: you were on the precipice of taking on this debt.
Speaker 5: What was in your mind? Did you have any foresight
Speaker 5: or was just kind of like, I don't know, everyone's
Speaker 5: fucking doing it.
Speaker 6: So, No, I didn't want to go because I was
Speaker 6: going to be an actor too, and I wasn't. I
Speaker 6: was wildly delusional, but I wasn't so delusional that I
Speaker 6: thought like, oh, the best way to do this is
Speaker 6: by going to college, you know. But my parents were like,
Speaker 6: you know, this is so important, and the thing is
Speaker 6: I love taking classes, like I still take writing classes
Speaker 6: to this day, but I feel like colleges are just
Speaker 6: for real real estate holdings. Yes, it's so indirect, like
Speaker 6: how the teachers get paid and every thing. So anyway, scam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you studied theater or acting? Is that what
Speaker 2: you want to Yeah? Yeah, I mean yeah, I know.
Speaker 5: My thing was like, I'll study history because my backup
Speaker 5: will be to be a teacher. So at least, if,
Speaker 5: like with all else fails, at least I have like
Speaker 5: a degree in something I can be like and I
Speaker 5: want to teach that, so fuck it, like let's go
Speaker 5: with it. But yeah, I totally get that. Part of
Speaker 5: me was like, what am I going to do with
Speaker 5: this ship if I'm if I'm going to be a
Speaker 5: sick ass podcaster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't have that for it. I knew I
Speaker 2: was going to be a podcaster. I majored in podcasting
Speaker 2: and everyone was very confused because it didn't exist yet.
Speaker 4: But yeah we all knew, yeah, exactly what it's called podcasting.
Speaker 1: Dad. Colleges are like venture capital firms essentially with yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: with classes the teacher that also have classes there, which
Speaker 1: I think venture capital firms should just start offering classes
Speaker 1: and put college thank.
Speaker 5: You exactly, yea, cannibalize them, like we'll teach you how
Speaker 5: to just fucking you know, pillage economically, financially, go ahead.
Speaker 2: That's one of those industries that millennials were supposed to
Speaker 2: have killed as colleges, right, Wasn't that like, oh well
Speaker 2: college don't care about colleges anymore. I thought we killed everything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they is. I don't know. They still seem to
Speaker 2: be thriving.
Speaker 6: A lot of millennials went though, But I do think
Speaker 6: in our wake we hopefully put a dent in some
Speaker 6: of these.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: You know, maybe the gen Z kids who saw their
Speaker 5: older millennial relatives are.
Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck is wrong with courtin me?
Speaker 5: No, waity, I'd take it for like, did you have
Speaker 5: fun at Did you have fun at least in college?
Speaker 6: I tried to get out of there as soon as possible,
Speaker 6: so I graduated. I'd taken some p SEO some college
Speaker 6: classes in high school, and then I also went to
Speaker 6: a fast so I graduated in like two years and
Speaker 6: made mistakes in other places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course of course he took SEO
Speaker 1: and then said, ps CEU, that was my account.
Speaker 2: It sounded better.
Speaker 1: It sounded like it was going to sound more like
Speaker 1: it in my head, and it didn't quite work out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is something that you think is underrated?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 7: Ready, yes, working, I wouldn't be doing my job right
Speaker 7: now if I didn't take this and every opportunity to
Speaker 7: mention the ongoing writer's strike. I'm a proud member of
Speaker 7: the Writer's Guild of America and we have been on
Speaker 7: strike since the beginning of May because we want a
Speaker 7: fair contract and the studios refuse to even sit down
Speaker 7: with us and discuss it, let alone give us what
Speaker 7: we're asking for. It's very frustrating a lot of people
Speaker 7: when this started in my life who are like sympathetic
Speaker 7: to this cause and everything, They're like, you'll probably enjoy
Speaker 7: a little vacation. It's not a vacation. I really like working,
Speaker 7: and I writing specifically is the thing that I'm very
Speaker 7: good at it, and I just want to do it
Speaker 7: and the studios won't let me. And it's maddening.
Speaker 5: Who had that take that was like, I think the
Speaker 5: strike's because Yeah, like fans of Zaslov on this show,
Speaker 5: Daniel we and his his take was that he he
Speaker 5: was like, the strike's gonna end.
Speaker 2: Because of a love of working. People love to work,
Speaker 2: and we're just will welcome them back with open arms.
Speaker 2: So he's using the fact that you are a creative
Speaker 2: machine against you right now, which is so so devious
Speaker 2: and shitty. How much of it do you think? You know?
Speaker 5: I've seen that take of like how there's like a
Speaker 5: big there's that big obscure thing about like Netflix numbers
Speaker 5: or streaming numbers, and how that's that could affect things.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's playing a huge part.
Speaker 5: Or it's just general Obviously there's the overarching theme of
Speaker 5: greed on behalf of the networks and streamers, But like,
Speaker 5: do you do I've seen that take.
Speaker 2: Going around Twitter. I was curious if you had any
Speaker 2: thoughts on that.
Speaker 7: I don't have any extra insight into this than anyone
Speaker 7: else who doesn't you know, read Twitter and Variety in
Speaker 7: Hollywood Reporter and all the other trades and everything. But
Speaker 7: that does make a whole lot of sense because that's
Speaker 7: something that the streamers won't even they don't seem to
Speaker 7: want to budget on the data transparency, and it makes
Speaker 7: a whole lot of sense, because that number could either
Speaker 7: be very very large, and they don't want us to
Speaker 7: know that because then it would reveal just how much
Speaker 7: money we should be getting in residuals, or, which seems
Speaker 7: slightly more likely, that money could be very the number
Speaker 7: could be very very low, which they don't want Wall
Speaker 7: Street and investors to know about. It's all anyone who
Speaker 7: has spent any time in tech or Silicon valley startups,
Speaker 7: like it all sounds very familiar to every single Silicon
Speaker 7: valley startup that eventually burst because they go big, and
Speaker 7: they go fast, and they invest, invest, invest, and they
Speaker 7: talk about growth, growth, growth, and have very little transparency,
Speaker 7: and then when eventually they have to reveal their numbers,
Speaker 7: everything falls apart because they don't they inflated their own
Speaker 7: importance and impact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds it sounds familiar to also the ones
Speaker 1: that succeed like Facebook. Facebook was did that and then
Speaker 1: like this year I read somewhere though, like Facebook's having
Speaker 1: like an amazing year, like at the stock market, Like
Speaker 1: really at the stock market, we're all the I'm going
Speaker 1: to together and just throw stocks back and forth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Facebook's stock.
Speaker 2: Is like doing well or there. I don't know, I'm
Speaker 2: just like, how how are we still here after meta?
Speaker 2: After the pivot to video bullshit?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And then the listener was saying that, like
Speaker 5: the Twitter video views, it's I think it's like two
Speaker 5: to three seconds is what triggers a view.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Really, we're right back where we started where people.
Speaker 5: Are like, you got to see the fucking numbers were
Speaker 5: doing here, folks, give us your ad dollars.
Speaker 2: Wait, what it's all, It's all an illusion.
Speaker 7: Fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 2: And we're back. We're back, and Ayisha, So yeah, I
Speaker 2: read the quote. But you talk about pop.
Speaker 1: Culture informing how we think about ourselves, how we like
Speaker 1: shape ourselves. You kind of run us through various pop
Speaker 1: culture figures who you modeled your identity on as you
Speaker 1: were growing up. I've often said on this show that
Speaker 1: Freud fucked up big time by using ancient Greek myths
Speaker 1: instead of pop culture archetypes from the nineties. I think
Speaker 1: he could have really made a name for himself if
Speaker 1: he had just, you know, stuck to pop culture. But
Speaker 1: it does feel like there, yeah, these are the things
Speaker 1: that we should be like as we're thinking about you know,
Speaker 1: where does this weird urge come from two stand people?
Speaker 2: For instance?
Speaker 1: Like these are the figures that I think actually exist
Speaker 1: in people's minds and like deep in their unconscious.
Speaker 5: Right, How would you how did you explain again this
Speaker 5: concept of inadvertent self formation by way of popular culture.
Speaker 8: Well, I think, especially when we're just kids or adolescents,
Speaker 8: we're not thinking deeply about what we're consuming, what we're
Speaker 8: viewing or watching. We are just we're taking it in.
Speaker 8: We're like a sponge, right, It's just everything affects us
Speaker 8: and we don't necessarily know how to name it or
Speaker 8: know how to identify it, and it comes out. And
Speaker 8: how we talk to each other, how we think of ourselves,
Speaker 8: how we see ourselves. I mean, I think about, you know,
Speaker 8: growing up as a kid in the nineties and how
Speaker 8: casual homophobic language is just like the thing that everyone did.
Speaker 8: And if you go back and watch the movies that
Speaker 8: we were all watching, whether it was like Acepentura or
Speaker 8: like the teen movies of it, like, there's all this
Speaker 8: casual homophobia, you know, showing up there, and so you
Speaker 8: don't realize until years later, or at least, I mean,
Speaker 8: I'm sure plenty of actual queer people recognize it in
Speaker 8: those moments. You know. I obviously it was never right
Speaker 8: or okay, and it definitely was hurting people then. But
Speaker 8: I think, you know, part of what growing up hopefully
Speaker 8: is means being able to go back and sort of
Speaker 8: look at the things that you took in when you
Speaker 8: were younger and understand how they may have and may
Speaker 8: still be affecting how you view things today. And so
Speaker 8: that's where the sort of the idea of it being
Speaker 8: inadversion comes from, is because like it doesn't like sometimes
Speaker 8: it just happens to you and then you have to
Speaker 8: later go back and realize, Okay, how did this happening
Speaker 8: to me make me who I am now? And a
Speaker 8: lot of it is sometimes like going back and undoing,
Speaker 8: trying to undo what has sort of calcified in your
Speaker 8: mind and brain and how you relate to things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it was.
Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure when I was a kid, I probably
Speaker 8: use the F word, the homophobic F word a couple
Speaker 8: times because that's what I, you know, grew up around.
Speaker 8: So yeah, it's a lot of undoing and trying to
Speaker 8: become better. Hopefully, if you're able to go back and
Speaker 8: look at those things and recognize those things.
Speaker 5: I feel like so much of that debate now where
Speaker 5: people are like it's true woke are like people who
Speaker 5: can't let go of Like, but my favorite movie is this,
Speaker 5: and I have to say it's bad now if I agree,
Speaker 5: and so true, like how much we we take on
Speaker 5: shit that we see in the media, especially in the
Speaker 5: age before social media, Like I was, everyone's like looking
Speaker 5: for something that might feel like them or could be them,
Speaker 5: or something you could kind of just feel like aligned
Speaker 5: with what were like the shows or works of media
Speaker 5: that you kind of grasped and sort of ingested to
Speaker 5: kind of become your person.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: I write in the book about what I called my
Speaker 8: my Hoe phase and and you know, which lasted from
Speaker 8: roughly my late teens to mid ish twenties, and how
Speaker 8: I kind of had this idea of what I wanted
Speaker 8: to be as a as a as a girl slash woman,
Speaker 8: and how I related to men, boys and men, and
Speaker 8: I thought that, you know, I had to be sort
Speaker 8: of tomboy ish and the type of girl who could
Speaker 8: hang with the guys, not necessarily like I never pretended
Speaker 8: to like sports like that was never my like sports
Speaker 8: aren't my thing. I never pretended to do that, like
Speaker 8: it wasn't that. But you know, I'd use what I
Speaker 8: liked movies, TV music to sort of signal, oh, I'm
Speaker 8: like I'm cool, Like super Bad is one of my
Speaker 8: favorite movies, Aren't I cool? It really is one of
Speaker 8: my favorite movies. I love that movie. Uh, but like
Speaker 8: I would play that up or play you know, play
Speaker 8: up the fact that you know, I was really into
Speaker 8: I don't know, freaks and geeks or the wire whatever
Speaker 8: as like the thing I put on my dating profiles,
Speaker 8: and I saw like this vision of like wanting to
Speaker 8: be closer to this idea of masculinity in a way,
Speaker 8: as a way of like shielding myself from getting hurt
Speaker 8: by boys and men. And so I was very much
Speaker 8: like Samantha Jones is my girl. I wanted to be
Speaker 8: like her from Sex of City, Nola Darling and She's
Speaker 8: got to have It. The nineteen eighty six Phone, not
Speaker 8: the TV remake by Spike Lee, Like those were kind
Speaker 8: of my you know, the badass women who fucked around
Speaker 8: a lot and like didn't like we're anti relationship, anti
Speaker 8: getting too close to two men, right, that was kind
Speaker 8: of what I clung to and then over time I
Speaker 8: realized one that's reductive and also like acting acting like
Speaker 8: a man, thinking like a man. Whatever this was before
Speaker 8: Steve Harvey, I wasn't just like I'm not going to
Speaker 8: just think like a man, I'm gonna act like one too.
Speaker 8: Fuck being a lady. But like I once I realized
Speaker 8: that that was all kind of a false dichotomy, and
Speaker 8: that even if you do act like that as a woman,
Speaker 8: or as a person who presents as a woman like,
Speaker 8: you're still going to get the short of the ends
Speaker 8: of the stick because like you're, you're still gonna get
Speaker 8: You're gonna be slut shamed, or you're gonna be you know,
Speaker 8: you're It's just there's no winning, and the idea of
Speaker 8: getting closer like masculinity is not something at least that
Speaker 8: I want to aspire to in the way that I
Speaker 8: conceived of it, or that pop culture conceived of it,
Speaker 8: which was often like the ladies man, whether it's Sam
Speaker 8: alone and cheers or not. Not that this like, actually
Speaker 8: what I love about it's always studying Phildelphia is that
Speaker 8: it's actually like critiquing those things. But like I'm being
Speaker 8: of Dennis and like the dentist system and how like
Speaker 8: that is clearly something to be. That's like being critiqued,
Speaker 8: this idea of masculine men and what are those guys
Speaker 8: the pickup artists or whatever like that? Yeah, yeah, or
Speaker 8: the game or whatever. Yeah, like that whole thing. I like,
Speaker 8: I thought that's what I wanted to be, and then
Speaker 8: I realized it's all it's all, it's all bullshit, it's
Speaker 8: all patriarchal, and I had to sort of undo all
Speaker 8: of that mindset about how to be a good person
Speaker 8: and how not to be an asshole, because really I
Speaker 8: was just trying to ma maic, not just not really
Speaker 8: masculinity per se, but just like being an asshole, which
Speaker 8: is often assigned to men, right and often seen as
Speaker 8: a good thing in men.
Speaker 2: Jack de What what? What? TV people?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 5: Media people shaped you over the years, because I feel
Speaker 5: like I was always a loose collection of ship I
Speaker 5: saw a TV and film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, g number one first and foremost obviously influenced. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen pictures of me in fifth grade,
Speaker 1: but my hair was long, termed and always looked a
Speaker 1: little bit wet. I just wore you know, dress shirts
Speaker 1: with a vest over top at all times, you know,
Speaker 1: I was. I watched Jaws so many times before the
Speaker 1: age of like six, that I think I was like
Speaker 1: a combination of like Sheriff Brodie and Quint at various
Speaker 1: points are like wanting to be that. And then also
Speaker 1: Rocky and Karate Kid were the ones that I where
Speaker 1: I really saw in like something about like the like
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool to get your ass kicked,
Speaker 1: like I think other people like thought like yeah, like
Speaker 1: other other kids would be like I'm into Bruce Lee
Speaker 1: or like somebody who is famously an ass kicker. And
Speaker 1: the two characters that I really loved where people who
Speaker 1: could like really take a punch and just like keep
Speaker 1: getting back up and so do Yeah, the underdog who
Speaker 1: is just like losing fights repeatedly.
Speaker 2: I also like John.
Speaker 1: McClain, who you know, is just dragging his like broken
Speaker 1: body across broken glass like by the end of that movie.
Speaker 1: Like something about that probably tied into the very strict
Speaker 1: Catholic upbringing that I had, you know, like some like
Speaker 1: weird mel Gibsonian.
Speaker 2: Like the passion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Jack's sadism or something was was probably tied
Speaker 1: in there. But yeah, and then Michael Jordan came along
Speaker 1: and I was like I want to be that. I
Speaker 1: want to be Michael Jordan, and then went to like,
Speaker 1: you know, early nineties hip hop, and then I'd say
Speaker 1: like pop intellectuals and writer like Hunter S. Thompson, even
Speaker 1: though I like didn't love his writing. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that guy's cool. I want to you know, drink and
Speaker 1: use drugs like the future doesn't exist while still being
Speaker 1: respected as an intellectual and the Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: those were kind of the main ones as I was
Speaker 1: like still forming myself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just so addicted to TV and like
Speaker 5: films that like every time I saw something I could
Speaker 5: like find I was like always looking for like identity
Speaker 5: in like film like the things I was watching, and
Speaker 5: like one of the earliest ones was like Goku and
Speaker 5: Dragon Ball. As a kid, like I was just like,
Speaker 5: oh this, Like I felt like it was teaching me
Speaker 5: things about toughness. And then then I want to be
Speaker 5: Michael Jordan, and then I wanted to be Will Smith
Speaker 5: and Fresh Prince. Then I was Ace Ventura for about
Speaker 5: two years with the way I spoke, like just like
Speaker 5: Pete annoying.
Speaker 8: To every kid, every kid, every kid I was.
Speaker 2: I was alrighty. Then all that shit yeah, I had.
Speaker 1: I had specific friends I remember who were Ace Venturer
Speaker 1: for three years in a row, and they, in my memory,
Speaker 1: the funniest kids I knew. Yeah, people I've ever met
Speaker 1: were a totally co opted that ship, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this man is a genius.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then I was the Waynes Brothers. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: Marlin more than Sean because Marlon was a little more outgoing.
Speaker 5: Then I was Tiger Woods because that was the first
Speaker 5: time I saw a Blazian person like me on TV.
Speaker 5: And I was like, okay, so I'm that and I
Speaker 5: tried to play golf. That ship that was I was
Speaker 5: never going anywhere. Then there was the rock shot on
Speaker 5: another like vaguely blazing person. Then puberty hit. It was
Speaker 5: all wrapped. I was like jay Z, I was method man.
Speaker 5: I was Pharrell because people were like you gotta you
Speaker 5: could be like for I was like, yeah, thank you,
Speaker 5: thank you, thank you, thank you. I will not wear
Speaker 5: trucker hats. I was wearing trucker hats. And she should
Speaker 5: have seen me in the early I.
Speaker 8: Wore trucker hats too, because it was it was the odds.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you had to, you had to, and at least
Speaker 5: for me, I was like, that's a trucker hat.
Speaker 2: I'm like, but Pharrell wear's one, so I guess yeah, right.
Speaker 5: I wasn't wearing Bond Dutch quite yet. Then I was like,
Speaker 5: I love Tom Sizemore and saving Private Ryan for something that.
Speaker 2: Is so weird, so sad.
Speaker 5: It's because he Jack, to your point, and the Goku thing,
Speaker 5: he kept getting shot and he kept getting back up.
Speaker 2: In the movement. I was like, yo yo, And then
Speaker 2: my mom was like.
Speaker 5: There was a monk in Japanese folklore called Benk who
Speaker 5: maybe you would be more interested in. So then I
Speaker 5: got into figures like that. But now I don't think
Speaker 5: I've moved on past Pharrell, to be honest. Yeah, but
Speaker 5: it is one of those things where like so much
Speaker 5: of my identity was being defined by the media, sadly,
Speaker 5: and I was taking cues, especially from like the blackness
Speaker 5: that I saw on screen as some kind of standard
Speaker 5: that I had to sort of uphold because I was
Speaker 5: being fed hiss a very specific version of like what
Speaker 5: black culture was via television and film, then other versions
Speaker 5: from my family, and then other times also being Asian,
Speaker 5: I felt like I was just kind of like a punchline.
Speaker 5: So I was always kind of sifting through media to
Speaker 5: try and give me something. I'm like, well, that shit's
Speaker 5: cool on TV.
Speaker 8: For you.
Speaker 2: Oh, let me tell you how.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my cousins, my black cousins were immediately they're like,
Speaker 5: I was Jackie Chan from the second the first rush
Speaker 5: Hour came out, or Blackie Chan with a lot of things,
Speaker 5: and yeah, that was And at the time I was like,
Speaker 5: or I would even you know, the thing is you
Speaker 5: even point that inward and you're like telling other people.
Speaker 5: You're like, I'm like rush Hour the person, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, and then take that because you'd rather
Speaker 5: like you got laughs from that. But it's always interesting
Speaker 5: how I was like, I was always using media sort
Speaker 5: of like this touchstone to inform those things. And again
Speaker 5: it was like out of seeking some way of like
Speaker 5: finding myself, but also like maybe inadvertent or maybe very
Speaker 5: intentional kind of personality formation.
Speaker 2: As I was doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel like a very interesting way to
Speaker 1: kind of just view the world and the cultural landscape
Speaker 1: as like these figures that people that like resonate and
Speaker 1: you know, they express some like you know that I
Speaker 1: read this book when I was young about like how
Speaker 1: movies are like cultural dreams. They're like expressing some something
Speaker 1: from like our shared unconscious and you know, so obviously
Speaker 1: they resonate and people pay money to see them, but
Speaker 1: then they have this second life where they shape us
Speaker 1: in the same way that like linguists talk about language
Speaker 1: shaping everything we do, because they like give us the
Speaker 1: color palette that we are working with when we're like
Speaker 1: trying to build the person that we want to be,
Speaker 1: like how we talk, what we wear, how to like
Speaker 1: you know, hold our body posture wise. There's this crazy
Speaker 1: story about how like Marlon Brando, characters like nobody in
Speaker 1: the Mafia dressed like that until Marlon Brando did in
Speaker 1: a movie, and then they were just like, yo, that's me,
Speaker 1: that is me, that is who I want to be.
Speaker 1: And then they started dressing like that, and then that's
Speaker 1: that's what we associate with, you know, people in the Mafia.
Speaker 2: But it was like this invention by a great artists.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's so funny you brought that up because I
Speaker 8: did an entire I did like this deep dive episode
Speaker 8: about the Godfather and how Italian Americans reacted to it,
Speaker 8: and I learned that where it was just like they
Speaker 8: were they the gangsters were imitating the movie version of themselves,
Speaker 8: which is just such a great little anecdote and a
Speaker 8: great example of how there's just this back and forth,
Speaker 8: this cultural exchange between the language of the movies and
Speaker 8: then the language of the people, and how they feed
Speaker 8: into one another, and sometimes they become so blurred that
Speaker 8: you don't know, it's like a chicken and egg situation,
Speaker 8: like which actually came first? Like was this you know,
Speaker 8: did this exist?
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 8: You know, was Marlon Brandall basing the character off of
Speaker 8: a specific gangster hemit, and then it just became sort
Speaker 8: of the template for all these other gangsters. Yeah, it's
Speaker 8: just it's so interesting to think about that, or even
Speaker 8: something like I don't know, the Rachel haircut in the nineties,
Speaker 8: how everyone wanted that. It's just like, what a weird time,
Speaker 8: what a weird, weird thing, how ingrained pop culture is
Speaker 8: to all of us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I feel like we see it now even
Speaker 5: more right, especially like with in politics, like every like
Speaker 5: especially with like when you look at the symbolism and
Speaker 5: like the imagery the semiotics of like political factions. Now,
Speaker 5: like I feel like you see so many people on
Speaker 5: the right, like far right, who are just they like
Speaker 5: they love the Punisher, they love the Joker, and there's
Speaker 5: like this weird like again there are people are finding
Speaker 5: these archetypes again. Do I think maybe give even their
Speaker 5: own like political battles, meaning you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: like because it might not be enough for them to
Speaker 5: be sort of get the picture because they're looking at
Speaker 5: maybe their own situation, but they like they're saying like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm on this side of the fence plus Punisher, Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: I like this.
Speaker 2: This is me.
Speaker 5: This is me the guy who is like just unhinged
Speaker 5: violent and feels like that's the only way that can
Speaker 5: solve things, to make people safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think those two in particular are very like powerful
Speaker 1: central sort of psychological archetypes that have really you know,
Speaker 1: like back to Heath Ledger's Joker comes out at the
Speaker 1: start of the Obama administration, and I think the like
Speaker 1: resonated with people being like, not, everything's okay here, even
Speaker 1: though kind of the mainstream media seemed to be like
Speaker 1: we're good here, everything's good.
Speaker 2: History is over.
Speaker 1: And then like the Joaquin Phoenix Joker comes out and
Speaker 1: like adds what I think are two crucial ingredients that
Speaker 1: he is an in cel and that he is like
Speaker 1: pointedly not funny but wants to be funny, which I
Speaker 1: feel like are two of the key features of a
Speaker 1: lot of the people who identify with the Joker and
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I mean that character has been around
Speaker 1: and resonating for a long time, but it just feels
Speaker 1: like it's really yeah. Wait, in the books that are
Speaker 1: written about our culture, there probably won't be as many
Speaker 1: of them as we like to think, but I feel
Speaker 1: like that there will be a whole chapter on like
Speaker 1: the Joker and the Punisher and shit like that.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, yeah maybe just yeah, again just shows how much
Speaker 5: meaning we like extract from like our like our popular culture,
Speaker 5: because it wasn't like no one's like going in history
Speaker 5: right like I I want to like I want to
Speaker 5: be William Tacums to Sherman or something like John Brown.
Speaker 2: They're like, I want to be the Punisher. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: want to be Batman And.
Speaker 5: You're like, oh shit, okay, so we've completely just exchanged
Speaker 5: one for the other, but again has like that same
Speaker 5: motivating force behind it, I.
Speaker 8: Guess well, and also like the meaning that is being
Speaker 8: extracted is often just like totally out of line of
Speaker 8: what the meaning originally was or really is. Like when
Speaker 8: I think about all the you know, the Bill Maher
Speaker 8: types who complain about, oh, you can never get Blazing
Speaker 8: Saddles made today, it's like, okay, but like Blazing Saddles
Speaker 8: is actually like a radical piece of like filmmaking, and
Speaker 8: they're just yeah, and they're just like focused on Oh,
Speaker 8: well they you know, they're they're using the N word
Speaker 8: or or whatever whatever. Actually I don't even remember if
Speaker 8: the N word is us.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 8: It's like they are taking the wrong takeaways from that
Speaker 8: movie to prove their point. But really it's just like
Speaker 8: that movie was like maybe it wouldn't have been made today.
Speaker 8: But also, like most people who are actually like liberals,
Speaker 8: the ones you are fighting against, they would argue that
Speaker 8: Blazing Saddle is actually really great because it's way more
Speaker 8: transgressive than an episode of Family Guy or whatever. Like
Speaker 8: it's yeah.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't let you Bill Maher remake that would suck
Speaker 1: and you would do a bad job. All right, let's
Speaker 1: take one more break and we'll be right back. And
Speaker 1: we're back, and so like this is just a story
Speaker 1: of like the industriousness of the American spirit at this point,
Speaker 1: is this is the good good news story. So Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift concert tickets are impossible to get, So Swifties who
Speaker 1: were shut out of the ability to go to the
Speaker 1: show can now buy some loose confetti from the ones who.
Speaker 2: Were able to go. All right, people who went to
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: And presumably like some of this is just they just
Speaker 1: like went to party city, right, But they're claiming, they're
Speaker 1: claiming that they're taking they're grabbing handfuls of the confetti
Speaker 1: reselling it online. The pricing isn't that bad. It's only
Speaker 1: thirteen dollars for a pack of ten. But my reason
Speaker 1: for ten strips of fucking ten pieces of confetti from
Speaker 1: the concert though, Miles, I don't think you understand it's
Speaker 1: from the concert.
Speaker 5: Wait to get to as we call down the streets.
Speaker 5: You're buying a loose fetti for thirteen bucks.
Speaker 9: Lucy's all right, buyti Lucy's but much less popular than
Speaker 9: buying you know, regular confetti is confetti.
Speaker 1: Lucy's just a single loose piece of confetti for sure.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're claiming, like one sellar pointed out that
Speaker 1: the confetti is somewhat limited at the show, only floor
Speaker 1: seats and maybe some of the one hundred sections can
Speaker 1: even get confetti. It's just like such a perfect encapsulation
Speaker 1: of It's like people who are already wealthy or well
Speaker 1: connected enough to be on the floor at like the
Speaker 1: hardest concert to attend in recent modern history are just
Speaker 1: like gathering up the confetti from the ground. I can
Speaker 1: tell you the trash from privileged world and sell it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's elite, elite confetti.
Speaker 3: You guys.
Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you something that may undermine my
Speaker 4: credibility on the show. But I have Taylor Swift tickets
Speaker 4: the Seattle Show. But the funny thing is is I
Speaker 4: was able to get them. My partner and I were
Speaker 4: able to get them first round. It was no problem.
Speaker 4: We just got tickets. And then suddenly everything exploded and
Speaker 4: came toppling down. And so I'll be gathering some loose
Speaker 4: confetti and I'll send it to you. Don't I don't
Speaker 4: actually have good seats, though I get on any No,
Speaker 4: I don't have.
Speaker 5: I don't have a problem that you're going to the
Speaker 5: Aras tour. I have a problem that you can't get
Speaker 5: me loose petty off the floor. So get it together, please, Well.
Speaker 4: Maybe I can get you know, maybe I can get
Speaker 4: in a fight for you and.
Speaker 5: Else yeah or yeah yeah, yeah cause a headline something
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 1: Another confetti salesperson pointed at that pointed out that people
Speaker 1: are getting mad at her, but she's just following Taylor's
Speaker 1: lead because Taylor Swift has created an insane business model,
Speaker 1: a capitalist empire that's easy for people to jump on.
Speaker 1: And that fan is also flipping sixty five dollars to
Speaker 1: crew necks for two.
Speaker 2: Hundred dollars each.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I I appreciate the hustle, Like these
Speaker 1: don't seem like they're they seem like they're just trying
Speaker 1: to make money to recoup the fact that they spent
Speaker 1: they might have spent like an entire ID check on this.
Speaker 5: I just love the passionate defense of that fetti salesperson
Speaker 5: that said Taylor Swift is created an insane business model.
Speaker 5: People are getting mad that I'm selling confetti like thirty dollars,
Speaker 5: But what's crazy is that A people are buying it,
Speaker 5: and B you're in denial thinking Taylor Swift is not
Speaker 5: a capitalist.
Speaker 2: That's right, Oh my god?
Speaker 5: Because yeah, I mean, like I've never seen somebody truly
Speaker 5: milk their audience like this to be like, Yo, you
Speaker 5: could buy this album with one extra song on it
Speaker 5: and a new album cover.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're like.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I mean god, I wish I I'm in
Speaker 5: the wrong business.
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna I might just go just to
Speaker 2: get some of this confetti, the confetti, Like, I truly
Speaker 2: can't imagine anyone going through the trouble of gathering up
Speaker 2: the confetti off the floor and then like selling it
Speaker 2: for thirteen dollars for ten strips like that? How much?
Speaker 1: Like are you bringing garbage bags with you? Like, I
Speaker 1: just think this has to be some cargo pants, cargo pants.
Speaker 2: Cargo pants. I've already thought this out, Jack, I'm got
Speaker 2: cargo pants.
Speaker 5: Whoever I'm coming with us cargo pants and we're stuffing
Speaker 5: them shits.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Big? Are these single pieces of confetti?
Speaker 4: Because the picture does not have like a t scale scale, Yes,
Speaker 4: of confetti?
Speaker 3: Are they small band aid size?
Speaker 2: Like? What are we saying? I'm thinking band aids? I've
Speaker 2: never seen confetti. Like. The picture is really close up,
Speaker 2: really shows the texture, full spectrum of colors too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the colors are great. It's a good hell are selling
Speaker 2: right now? Yeah, you guys don't want to get it.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I've purchased two packages twenty pieces of you said
Speaker 1: that was an investment for your kids college.
Speaker 2: It's for the future, and for.
Speaker 3: Sure two dollars off if you buy three.
Speaker 2: So yeah, business business planning.
Speaker 5: But I mean, Jack, this is the same thing like
Speaker 5: when those like wacky racist people were like bottling up
Speaker 5: fucking splash mountain water before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they made it all woke. Yeah you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, they's only the same water.
Speaker 3: No, I guess they're probably shutting it down for a while,
Speaker 3: so who.
Speaker 5: Knows either way. It's like you don't know what the
Speaker 5: fuck if that's even what they're.
Speaker 2: Selling you for.
Speaker 10: Yeah, right, Like, yeah, you can go to part not
Speaker 10: you get, Like I'm putting this in the same category
Speaker 10: of like it's not worth it to like carry that
Speaker 10: shit out with you, Like it's just so annoying to
Speaker 10: like be going to the concert and carrying out just
Speaker 10: like loose handfuls of confetti enough to make it like
Speaker 10: worth getting, Like so you would have to have two
Speaker 10: hundred to even.
Speaker 2: Get, Like, I don't know, it's just you're making a three.
Speaker 5: Oh, how do you pay for your Like Okay, can't.
Speaker 5: What's the formula to pay for your floor seat by
Speaker 5: someone the loose steady after like.
Speaker 1: The margins on the sixty five dollars a piece for
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars each, Like that kind of makes sense,
Speaker 1: but it's still like, are you bringing are you bringing
Speaker 1: a fucking fork lift with you to the show? How
Speaker 1: many of these shirts are you getting? So I feel
Speaker 1: like these are all just grifters, Like the internet is
Speaker 1: just so yeah, so full of grifters. This is These
Speaker 1: are not people who actually went to the concert. These
Speaker 1: are people just taking advantage. Like there's also somebody selling
Speaker 1: ziploc bags of eras tour air, which I think is
Speaker 1: a joke.
Speaker 2: But that's a great grift, man, come on now.
Speaker 5: But again, I but it's like, this is just this
Speaker 5: is where we're at. It's like the same you see
Speaker 5: the same thing, and every fandom, right like especially with Trump.
Speaker 5: Trump grifts his all of his fans, and they grift
Speaker 5: each the fuck out of each other, you know, because
Speaker 5: they see like, oh shit, y'all buy anything. Okay, watch this,
Speaker 5: y'all want trump Bucks and people are fucking buying them
Speaker 5: if you are. Okay, So floor seats for the Sofi
Speaker 5: Stadium show in La thirty five hundred, So quick maths
Speaker 5: on that. I need to sell like three hundred.
Speaker 1: The bundles of flu spand so you have to gather
Speaker 1: three thousand pieces of fetti while you're there.
Speaker 2: Okay, so don's like a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah that seems like a lot. Yeah, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: not up on the fetti game.
Speaker 5: But I mean, but or the smartest person are the
Speaker 5: workers who have to clean up after the show. And
Speaker 5: when they brooming that shit up, You're like, yeah, get
Speaker 5: that in the bag, watch this that excel it to
Speaker 5: someone who has left.
Speaker 2: Earth and I can sell to them on eBay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully that's that's who's doing that, or hopefully it's
Speaker 1: just a grifter.
Speaker 5: What is what is something that would seemingly be detritis
Speaker 5: to anyone else that you would pay actual dollars for?
Speaker 2: Mm? Is there anything like that for either of you?
Speaker 5: Chelsea Jack, Like if there was, even if it's something
Speaker 5: you thought of, like oh, something from this movie or
Speaker 5: something from this concert or this even if it was
Speaker 5: this artist's fingernail, right, because I mean, somebody.
Speaker 1: Could get me seemen sample of Grimace's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a I've got a big hair collection,
Speaker 2: so famous people that I don't talk that much about,
Speaker 2: but you've seen it. Yeah, yeah, I keep talking.
Speaker 4: If I could get something from the Donner party, that's
Speaker 4: what I want, a big daughter party. And yeah, if
Speaker 4: I could get I don't know, I get some like
Speaker 4: dirt from their cabin, I'd pay some I paid thirteen
Speaker 4: bucks for.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, just off the strength.
Speaker 3: Of on me, like you know this, Yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 3: is open there, open their jacket and it's just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would.
Speaker 5: I would probably buy like like a roach that any
Speaker 5: like one of my favorite wrappers smoked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like I would buy one of those
Speaker 2: for like for cash. I mean I'm not gonna pay.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna pay like one hundred bucks. But if
Speaker 2: someone's like, yo, man fucking met them. Man was smoking
Speaker 2: this blunt. I was like, okay, what you want.
Speaker 3: Time you run out of weed, you just pop that
Speaker 3: in your bong.
Speaker 5: Yeah oh no, never, even when I'm like that's never,
Speaker 5: I'll die sober before I sparked that method, man roach
Speaker 5: I bought for fifty dollars from on epay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like whatever.
Speaker 1: The cleaning crew took out of the studio after like
Speaker 1: a legendary recording session would actually.
Speaker 5: Have like yeah, like even if it's like a old
Speaker 5: Cuckoo Roo plastic bag exactly, remember Cuckoo Roo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can hear that bag crinkle on this way
Speaker 1: in the uh torture sketch at the beginning of Method Man.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the Hobby Lobby Satanic display. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think this is like the most twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three story of the day.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: And it comes to us all the way from Texas
Speaker 5: wearing an AI artist and member of the Satanic Temple.
Speaker 5: Mind you used mid journey AI to basically take images
Speaker 5: like loaded images of the like aisles of Hobby Lobby,
Speaker 5: and the prompt was Hobby Lobby selling Satanic products, And
Speaker 5: what came out was stunning bapam met demons all in
Speaker 5: the gold legs, everything you could imagine that would make
Speaker 5: a Christian person faint as they clutch their pearls. But yeah,
Speaker 5: if you know Hobby Lobby, the hobby store for Christian
Speaker 5: nationalists who like famously were like, we're not gonna pay
Speaker 5: for fucking any kind of contraception, and we can discriminate
Speaker 5: whoever the fuck we want to because that's our religious choice.
Speaker 5: So this person, Jennifer Vineyard, made it, just wanted to
Speaker 5: fuck around with AI and got these images and first
Speaker 5: posted it to like an AI like art page, and
Speaker 5: then other people just without even critically looking at it,
Speaker 5: started reposting it on Facebook, like this one woman. You
Speaker 5: can tell she's like reposting from something called AI art Universe. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and then this listenman says, well, I guess even the
Speaker 5: quote Christian owned companies can be bought for the right price.
Speaker 2: Severely disappointed. Holy shit. I mean it's just I mean,
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 5: We're in another satanic panic and nobody is, you know,
Speaker 5: just credulously sharing shit. But yeah, just wold to see
Speaker 5: how quickly the thing spread, and then again boom culture wars.
Speaker 1: The size is the sizing is so far off, it's
Speaker 1: really funny. Like the the sculptures, the like head, the
Speaker 1: bust of Bafomet is like, you know, ten times the
Speaker 1: size of the nearest thing. One of them actually looks
Speaker 1: like they have little demons like sitting on a shelf
Speaker 1: next to like air freshener and shit and like live laugh,
Speaker 1: love car. Yeah, like baby sized or like toddler sized demons.
Speaker 1: Just sitting there like five times the size of anything
Speaker 1: else in hobby lobby that you can see in the picture,
Speaker 1: and they're just like, yeah, man, and it's fucked up
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 2: Huh yeah.
Speaker 4: If you go back to like the eighties Satanic panic
Speaker 4: and nineties, I think this is a great example of
Speaker 4: something that happens with an urban legend, and especially the
Speaker 4: Satanic panic is like it's called ostension, right, and it's
Speaker 4: like when there's already some kind of legend. Right, So
Speaker 4: if we think, okay, a town's already worried about a
Speaker 4: Satanic cult because you know, animals ate another animal weird
Speaker 4: and left its carcass there, or you know, there's been
Speaker 4: a murder and nobody can explain it. So there's already
Speaker 4: this panic around satanic colts. And so a teenager goes
Speaker 4: and that's what I see here, is like a teenager
Speaker 4: going and spray painting Satan lives on like an underpass.
Speaker 4: And then because this person's reacting to a panic that
Speaker 4: already exists and having fun with it and like fulfilling
Speaker 4: it and fucking with it, then it perpetuates the same
Speaker 4: problem because then the people who already believe in the
Speaker 4: legend take it seriously and yeah, exactly, Chelsea.
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry to jump in here, correct you and man,
Speaker 1: teenagers would never do something so callous and chaotic as
Speaker 1: to play into an existing urban legend just to fuck
Speaker 1: with people. No, no, no, no, no, not teenagers, not
Speaker 1: my teenagers.
Speaker 4: It is or those with a teen spirit who are
Speaker 4: making ai.
Speaker 5: Art right temple, like who's apparently like a pharmacist in
Speaker 5: training in the article they like have like I'm trying
Speaker 5: to be a pharmacist, but also like fuck fuck this,
Speaker 5: like these people freaking out over shit. The comments on
Speaker 5: our people is that I haven't seen this in ours,
Speaker 5: but it's been a couple of weeks since I've been
Speaker 5: in there.
Speaker 2: That's insane.
Speaker 5: Another person had half a brand and said I'd have
Speaker 5: to see this in person before I'd believe it. Good
Speaker 5: for you, uh, dear Facebook user. Another one said, wow,
Speaker 5: now this is crazy. Did the Christian owners sail or
Speaker 5: are they just incompromise and cross the line and gone woke?
Speaker 5: This is absolutely insane and the line real Christians would
Speaker 5: never cross.
Speaker 4: Thank you, sobody, such a famously Christian change. That's what
Speaker 4: I love about, which I think that's why they did
Speaker 4: it right I love.
Speaker 5: The prodding of it to be like, well, what about
Speaker 5: your sacred hobby lobby. Guess what they're in bed with
Speaker 5: Bahamet over.
Speaker 2: There, like yeah, we have nothing anymore.
Speaker 5: There's another. I just love this one. Screw Satanic people.
Speaker 5: Screw Satanic people. Look all I'm was after the qualifying
Speaker 5: Screw Satanic people. Look all I'm saying is that Satanic
Speaker 5: people are stupid and obviously you worst the damn devil.
Speaker 5: I think may have meant you worship the damn devil
Speaker 5: and stuff like that, and that's disgusting. I could never
Speaker 5: And Satanic people can go work right really where they belong,
Speaker 5: which is Hell. Yeah, okay, at least they're working.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, nobody wants to work thought, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Unless you're a Satanic person. And then you've got you
Speaker 5: got your late for your shift in Hell, you're.
Speaker 3: Working twice as hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But I mean, like, I don't hear this, This is
Speaker 5: this feels like more of what we're going to see,
Speaker 5: more and more of shit like this to your point,
Speaker 5: like chelsea of people already like on an edge or
Speaker 5: like on a on like a tight wire, and all
Speaker 5: it takes is just a little bit of like visual
Speaker 5: stimulus to suddenly kick it right back in and be like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, this is true.
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I'm not even I can't even
Speaker 2: think critically anymore. This is true.
Speaker 5: It's all I need to see because my confirmation bias
Speaker 5: is set to three million.
Speaker 3: Well do you guys think that this kind of thing
Speaker 3: is hell full?
Speaker 2: Or do you?
Speaker 4: Because I look at this sometimes and like, as much
Speaker 4: as I don't want to feel this way, I'm like, ah,
Speaker 4: you're really like, I think this is funny. I think
Speaker 4: it's great to piss and out piss off and outrage
Speaker 4: and freak out people. But then it's like it does
Speaker 4: have the same effect of just adding to this story.
Speaker 4: So I just I don't know, and I don't think
Speaker 4: this person really meant that to happen, because it looks
Speaker 4: like it just was pulled, right.
Speaker 3: It was pulled from some yeah, and then.
Speaker 5: They posted it like on Reddit and like on their
Speaker 5: own Facebook, and then just it took off on its own.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't a hoax, a purposeful hoax necessarily.
Speaker 2: I think it was probably half hearted.
Speaker 5: All see where it goes, See where it goes, because
Speaker 5: I'll make an image that people will take seriously, now
Speaker 5: what people do with it after that? I mean, she
Speaker 5: said her one regret was that she didn't spend more
Speaker 5: than ten minutes making it because like some people were like,
Speaker 5: I see pound signs next to the prices, Like, I
Speaker 5: don't know if this is happening in the US then yet,
Speaker 5: and people like.
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, it'sacause in other countries they put pound
Speaker 1: signs next to prices.
Speaker 2: To your point, yeah, I don't know, I mean for sure,
Speaker 2: like it for it.
Speaker 5: Prolongs this this situation, uh in people's minds, especially for
Speaker 5: the people who probably are not thinking critically and are
Speaker 5: just like, yep, and that's yeah, it's even hobby lobby.
Speaker 5: And then someone will tell them that's fake, and they're like,
Speaker 5: but i'd believe it if it happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then the fact that it's hobby lobby is
Speaker 4: helpful to me because it's like you are like, if
Speaker 4: you're going to weaponize this against something, then at least
Speaker 4: it's against you know.
Speaker 5: That's the only reason I even brought it up, because
Speaker 5: if it was someone doing that shit in target or whatever,
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, this is like that, I don't I
Speaker 5: see this pure cynicism in it. But because of Hobby
Speaker 5: Lobby's you know, reputation as being an upstanding Christian company
Speaker 5: that discriminates indiscriminately like it is, then I feel a
Speaker 5: little less but I but I think it's an important thing.
Speaker 5: And I guess for you, someone who looks at this
Speaker 5: kind of thing, how could you, like, is there anything
Speaker 5: anyone could do to abbrieve ate something like this? Because
Speaker 5: it seems like once it's out there, people are gonna
Speaker 5: believe what they believe. And we see this and this
Speaker 5: especially post truth era we live in, where even if
Speaker 5: they're presented with the truth, they still pivot to something
Speaker 5: like yeah, but I could see how it would would
Speaker 5: be real, and it.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: I mean it's a million dollar question, I think.
Speaker 4: And I mean I always this, yeah yeah, well I've
Speaker 4: rid of the Satanic panic since we did it so
Speaker 4: well before, But I don't know, I mean, I go
Speaker 4: back and forth because it does feel like an uphill
Speaker 4: battle that's possibly.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a this is so ancient. This
Speaker 3: is an ancient thing.
Speaker 4: I mean if you go back to like even Jewish
Speaker 4: blood libel with Christian saying okay, Jewish people are Satanic
Speaker 4: and they're sacrificing children, and you know, this is like
Speaker 4: a thousand years ago or more. So it's like, I
Speaker 4: don't know, I think it's just like we were talking
Speaker 4: about with moral panics all over the world, this is
Speaker 4: just the most entrenched thing because you're dealing with what
Speaker 4: you consider the biggest evil, right and so when you
Speaker 4: have this, especially like you have like a satan child
Speaker 4: killer of some kind, which apparently we all are, you know,
Speaker 4: it's easy then to justify whatever you want to do.
Speaker 4: And so I don't think people are going to let
Speaker 4: go of the ability to demonize literally an entire group
Speaker 4: of people or entire political affiliation or whatever, and then
Speaker 4: you know, justify whatever they want to do in retaliation
Speaker 4: to that evil. So I don't know if it's I think,
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes I get pissed off at certain celebrities
Speaker 4: that really play into sort of the Satanic Illuminati thing
Speaker 4: as a lark, But I do think it has a
Speaker 4: lot of negative effects for people who aren't like massively
Speaker 4: rich celebrities in small towns, who might say, okay, like
Speaker 4: this is connected to gay people because a gay artist
Speaker 4: has like really played into the Satanic thing. I think
Speaker 4: that that can have some damage, but I would never
Speaker 4: say that it's not I don't know it. I really
Speaker 4: tow a line there of not being sure, because I
Speaker 4: do feel like sometimes it trickles down and does harmful
Speaker 4: things to really play into that. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: I don't know if it really truly makes a difference
Speaker 4: or if it's just entrenched and always going to be there.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I feel like the fact that these are all like
Speaker 1: the sizing is off, everything's like just a little too stupid,
Speaker 1: Like I think that makes it extra fun and worth while.
Speaker 1: Like I have no notes on this because it's inherently
Speaker 1: like it's exposing the stupidity of the people who would
Speaker 1: get mad at this by being like, this is the
Speaker 1: hobby lobby is selling these like life sized satan ensconss
Speaker 1: like next to Yankee candle decorations.
Speaker 3: And it's not even Halloween.
Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, just one.
Speaker 1: Met head in the middle of the fucking lamp aisle.
Speaker 4: So they're they're not even baphomets, really, I don't even know.
Speaker 3: They're like dark angels with wings coming out of their heads.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's like one one goady head, but yeah,
Speaker 5: a lot are just sort of vague Ai demonic regalia.
Speaker 1: I truly have no notes on this, but I think
Speaker 1: they should have a second thought about like whether they
Speaker 1: should have spent more time on it, because I think
Speaker 1: they spent just the exact right amount of time. I
Speaker 1: think is like one of the last like things that
Speaker 1: one of the last things we have before the fall.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, like we have to like create truth that
Speaker 2: is like I don't know, we need for comfort.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think if anything, go harder and make it
Speaker 5: like go for the most unbelievable thing possible. Or it's
Speaker 5: like they're selling Jesus and Baphomet sixty nine yng golfs
Speaker 5: in the kids' aisle at hobby lobby, like here they
Speaker 5: are and people, I mean, I'm sure it's just so
Speaker 5: funny because people are like, so it's just it is. Again,
Speaker 5: it's like horrifying too that some people realize yep, those
Speaker 5: are the stakes and that's the situation. I mean, they
Speaker 5: are making this kind of stuff like wow, okay, well anyway,
Speaker 5: but I like through satanic people.
Speaker 4: Look, you're gonna get so many comments where words that
Speaker 4: shouldn't be capitalized are and it's just complete capitalization anarchy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 5: I do love that it was a satanic was treated
Speaker 5: as a proper adjective. Yeah, you know, so again this
Speaker 5: person woke moralists?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that what that quote was from Jordan Peterson? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: go to hell, woke moralists. It's not on my quote
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