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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 2: Miles.

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Speaker 1: We were thrilled to be joined in our third seat

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Speaker 1: by one of the very favorite guests on TDZ, A poet,

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Speaker 1: a podcaster you can hear on the American Hysteria podcast,

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Speaker 1: exploring the fantastical thinking and irrational fears of Americans. No

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Speaker 1: that can't be right, not Americans through the lens of

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Speaker 1: moral panics, urban legends, conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 2: Much else.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome the brilliant, the talented Chelsea Webers.

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Speaker 2: Hello here, Hello, as always, is it weep A Weber.

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Speaker 3: It's Weber.

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Speaker 2: First, I did make sure. I had to make sure.

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Speaker 3: It's actually Debber.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Chris Weberber. I went through and on all documents.

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Speaker 1: I did a global search of my computer, every document

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Speaker 1: on my computer and changed it so to make sure

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Speaker 1: it said Weber like Chris web three point zero.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: All what's new, Chelsea has been too long.

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Speaker 4: It's been too long, I know well, as I told

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Speaker 4: you guys we've been working on Well, we actually just

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Speaker 4: finished a Jackass series and that was a lot of fun,

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Speaker 4: and I feel like that's up your alley.

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Speaker 3: Did you guys read Bake Brother magazine growing up?

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Speaker 2: Did? I did?

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Speaker 5: And I also made stupid shopping part like prank videos

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Speaker 5: at the at the local grocery stores.

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Speaker 2: With my friends, and yeah, I was. I was.

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Speaker 5: I was like at the perfect age when Jackass came

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Speaker 5: out and it basically destroyed half of my body.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing the Jackass videos when they were video

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Speaker 1: like hs is being traded people like friend in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I went visit a friend in Chicago, like in high school,

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Speaker 1: and he showed me them and I.

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Speaker 2: Was like, what the fuck is this is crazy?

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Speaker 3: I remember that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Or what dude remember that one?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? He beats up all those dudes outside the seven eleven.

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Speaker 5: Yeah or Mike Vallli, I mean I think that's his name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, part We were like, yo, dude, he legit beat

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Speaker 2: these dudes up.

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Speaker 1: I think the things the sketch I remember is someone

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Speaker 1: was just carrying like ordered all the McDonald's, was carrying

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Speaker 1: it on a tray and then just did like a

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Speaker 1: spectacular fall and like they they just went everywhere.

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Speaker 4: I feel like that's bam, yeah, genius, genius.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was. I was willing to rab himself, Chris rab.

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Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, oh man slewsberry Stuber for Kiki

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Speaker 5: one of my favorites.

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Speaker 4: And he hates Mustard and that's his big thing is

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Speaker 4: he's whatever Mustard gets by him? Is that not that

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Speaker 4: that's like oh right, that's your yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: He had the crazy big hair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, like the Viking status. Yeah exactly. Now

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I think I'll have to go back and

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Speaker 2: what you do you do?

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Speaker 3: I think you'd like this episode you should listen to.

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Speaker 4: It's very much about how gay Jackass was too and

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Speaker 4: how much of a revolution it was at the time

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Speaker 4: to just have dudes hanging out the way they were

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Speaker 4: and not, you know.

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Speaker 3: Being afraid again.

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Speaker 4: Even though it was a joke, it was like a

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Speaker 4: big change from like the really.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let me put a firework up your asshole. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and you're like.

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Speaker 4: Yes, somo, yeah exactly. But the other thing I wanted

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Speaker 4: to share with you all is, uh, We've been doing

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Speaker 4: new thing on our show called the Urban Legends Hotline,

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Speaker 4: and people can call in and record stories from their

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Speaker 4: childhood and then we'll like deep just do whatever research

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Speaker 4: we decide. And the one we're working on right now

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Speaker 4: is about this place called Pig Hill in Pennsylvania, and

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Speaker 4: it's about a group of cannibal pig people that eat

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Speaker 4: teenagers on a lover's lane up there, like an imbred family, right,

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Speaker 4: kind of a classic legend. And so what do you say, deliverance, Yeah, definitely,

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Speaker 4: But we've been like getting really into the pig part

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Speaker 4: And I was able to dig up the very first

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Speaker 3: Pig gave birth to a piglet.

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Speaker 4: That was deformed and looked like the man who was

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, they tried.

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Speaker 4: Him and hanged him for a pig paternity test and

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Speaker 4: that was Yeah, that's that's the very first false confession

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Speaker 4: as well, because they basically badgered him into confessing and

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Speaker 4: he thought, okay, you know, based on other trials I've

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Speaker 4: seen if I say, if I repent to God and

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Speaker 4: but then they were like no, we're going to hang

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Speaker 4: you anyway. And then he's like, okay, well I really

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Speaker 4: didn't do this, and uh yeah, and then there was

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Speaker 4: that women were the ones milking the cows always because

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Speaker 4: men were literally not allowed in barns unless they had

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Speaker 2: Wait, so like a milkmaid?

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Speaker 5: Is is we have that because motherfuckers couldn't keep their

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Speaker 5: hands on man's Well not exactly.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, it was a panic, right, so of course

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Speaker 4: yes that happened. But it was a panic around specifically

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Speaker 4: like servants or like poor people who were you know,

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Speaker 4: accused of this crime, often because it was convenient because

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Speaker 4: they wanted to try them for something else. But once

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Speaker 4: were getting accused as well, then suspiciously the panic just

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Speaker 4: kind of fizzled out. So kind of a classic moral panic.

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Speaker 4: But sixteen hundreds we must.

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Speaker 2: Take note of this.

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Speaker 5: We mus the cycle of panics and how we can

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Speaker 5: maybe abbreviate them because we're in the midst.

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Speaker 2: Of multiple cycles.

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Speaker 1: Now yeah, right, yeah, have you ever looked into is

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Speaker 1: America more panicked than other nations or is this just

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Speaker 1: a cycle that every country like goes through.

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Speaker 2: It feels like America is more irrational, right.

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Speaker 4: I think it depends. I mean, there are some wild

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Speaker 4: moral panics all around the world. It just really I mean,

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Speaker 4: like we might look at one panic, like there's a

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Speaker 4: even recently, people's penises have been suspiciously disappearing.

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Speaker 2: So you know we might share for that. Not that

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Speaker 2: I'm worried, but what what is care for that?

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Speaker 3: You know, I haven't looked enough. Well, you know, it

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Speaker 5: So wait, what is that someone people are claiming their

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Speaker 5: penises have vanished like their body.

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Speaker 1: You remember, I remember that's from the cracked days that

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Speaker 1: that was in another country.

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Speaker 3: That you do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and it goes back to like like I

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Speaker 1: They call it turtle penis because the penis like retracts

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Speaker 5: Okay, you got it, turtle penis panic. Okay, I'll look

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Speaker 1: Anyways, we could clearly talk about this all day. I

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Speaker 1: heard that some best reality is where Grimace came from

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Speaker 3: Makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people don't know that. What is something,

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Speaker 2: Courtney that you think is overrated?

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Speaker 6: Well, I just opened a student loan bill this morning,

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Speaker 6: so I was reminded about college and how I still

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Speaker 3: So I feel different. I feel scammed.

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Speaker 5: What do you was like at the time, right when

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Speaker 5: you were on the precipice of taking on this debt.

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Speaker 5: What was in your mind? Did you have any foresight

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Speaker 5: or was just kind of like, I don't know, everyone's

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Speaker 6: So, No, I didn't want to go because I was

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Speaker 6: going to be an actor too, and I wasn't. I

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Speaker 6: was wildly delusional, but I wasn't so delusional that I

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Speaker 6: I love taking classes, like I still take writing classes

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Speaker 6: to this day, but I feel like colleges are just

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Speaker 6: for real real estate holdings. Yes, it's so indirect, like

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Speaker 6: how the teachers get paid and every thing. So anyway, scam.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you studied theater or acting? Is that what

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Speaker 5: My thing was like, I'll study history because my backup

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Speaker 5: with it. But yeah, I totally get that. Part of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't have that for it. I knew I

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Speaker 2: was going to be a podcaster. I majored in podcasting

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Speaker 2: and everyone was very confused because it didn't exist yet.

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Speaker 4: But yeah we all knew, yeah, exactly what it's called podcasting.

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Speaker 1: Dad. Colleges are like venture capital firms essentially with yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: with classes the teacher that also have classes there, which

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Speaker 1: I think venture capital firms should just start offering classes

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Speaker 5: You exactly, yea, cannibalize them, like we'll teach you how

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Speaker 5: to just fucking you know, pillage economically, financially, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: That's one of those industries that millennials were supposed to

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Speaker 2: have killed as colleges, right, Wasn't that like, oh well

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Speaker 2: college don't care about colleges anymore. I thought we killed everything. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but they is. I don't know. They still seem to

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Speaker 6: A lot of millennials went though, But I do think

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Speaker 6: in our wake we hopefully put a dent in some

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: You know, maybe the gen Z kids who saw their

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Speaker 5: older millennial relatives are.

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Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck is wrong with courtin me?

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Speaker 5: No, waity, I'd take it for like, did you have

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Speaker 5: fun at Did you have fun at least in college?

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Speaker 6: I tried to get out of there as soon as possible,

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Speaker 6: so I graduated. I'd taken some p SEO some college

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Speaker 6: made mistakes in other places.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course of course he took SEO

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Speaker 1: and then said, ps CEU, that was my account.

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Speaker 2: It sounded better.

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Speaker 1: It sounded like it was going to sound more like

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Speaker 1: it in my head, and it didn't quite work out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what is something that you think is underrated?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 2: Wait, what it's all, It's all an illusion.

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Speaker 1: a combination of like Sheriff Brodie and Quint at various

441
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: points are like wanting to be that. And then also

442
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: Rocky and Karate Kid were the ones that I where

443
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: I really saw in like something about like the like

444
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool to get your ass kicked,

445
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: like I think other people like thought like yeah, like

446
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: other other kids would be like I'm into Bruce Lee

447
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: or like somebody who is famously an ass kicker. And

448
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: the two characters that I really loved where people who

449
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: could like really take a punch and just like keep

450
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: getting back up and so do Yeah, the underdog who

451
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: is just like losing fights repeatedly.

452
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: I also like John.

453
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: McClain, who you know, is just dragging his like broken

454
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: body across broken glass like by the end of that movie.

455
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 1: Like something about that probably tied into the very strict

456
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: Catholic upbringing that I had, you know, like some like

457
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: weird mel Gibsonian.

458
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: Like the passion.

459
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Jack's sadism or something was was probably tied

460
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: in there. But yeah, and then Michael Jordan came along

461
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: and I was like I want to be that. I

462
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: want to be Michael Jordan, and then went to like,

463
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, early nineties hip hop, and then I'd say

464
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: like pop intellectuals and writer like Hunter S. Thompson, even

465
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: though I like didn't love his writing. I was like, man,

466
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: that guy's cool. I want to you know, drink and

467
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: use drugs like the future doesn't exist while still being

468
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: respected as an intellectual and the Yeah, I feel like

469
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: those were kind of the main ones as I was

470
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: like still forming myself.

471
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just so addicted to TV and like

472
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 5: films that like every time I saw something I could

473
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 5: like find I was like always looking for like identity

474
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 5: in like film like the things I was watching, and

475
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 5: like one of the earliest ones was like Goku and

476
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 5: Dragon Ball. As a kid, like I was just like,

477
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 5: oh this, Like I felt like it was teaching me

478
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 5: things about toughness. And then then I want to be

479
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 5: Michael Jordan, and then I wanted to be Will Smith

480
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 5: and Fresh Prince. Then I was Ace Ventura for about

481
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 5: two years with the way I spoke, like just like

482
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 5: Pete annoying.

483
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 8: To every kid, every kid, every kid I was.

484
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: I was alrighty. Then all that shit yeah, I had.

485
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: I had specific friends I remember who were Ace Venturer

486
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: for three years in a row, and they, in my memory,

487
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: the funniest kids I knew. Yeah, people I've ever met

488
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,239
Speaker 1: were a totally co opted that ship, and I was like,

489
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: this man is a genius.

490
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

491
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 5: And then I was the Waynes Brothers. Yeah, I mean

492
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 5: Marlin more than Sean because Marlon was a little more outgoing.

493
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 5: Then I was Tiger Woods because that was the first

494
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 5: time I saw a Blazian person like me on TV.

495
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 5: And I was like, okay, so I'm that and I

496
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 5: tried to play golf. That ship that was I was

497
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 5: never going anywhere. Then there was the rock shot on

498
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 5: another like vaguely blazing person. Then puberty hit. It was

499
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 5: all wrapped. I was like jay Z, I was method man.

500
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 5: I was Pharrell because people were like you gotta you

501
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 5: could be like for I was like, yeah, thank you,

502
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 5: thank you, thank you, thank you. I will not wear

503
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 5: trucker hats. I was wearing trucker hats. And she should

504
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 5: have seen me in the early I.

505
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 8: Wore trucker hats too, because it was it was the odds.

506
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, you had to, you had to, and at least

507
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 5: for me, I was like, that's a trucker hat.

508
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, but Pharrell wear's one, so I guess yeah, right.

509
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 5: I wasn't wearing Bond Dutch quite yet. Then I was like,

510
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 5: I love Tom Sizemore and saving Private Ryan for something that.

511
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: Is so weird, so sad.

512
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 5: It's because he Jack, to your point, and the Goku thing,

513
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 5: he kept getting shot and he kept getting back up.

514
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: In the movement. I was like, yo yo, And then

515
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: my mom was like.

516
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 5: There was a monk in Japanese folklore called Benk who

517
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 5: maybe you would be more interested in. So then I

518
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 5: got into figures like that. But now I don't think

519
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 5: I've moved on past Pharrell, to be honest. Yeah, but

520
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 5: it is one of those things where like so much

521
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 5: of my identity was being defined by the media, sadly,

522
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 5: and I was taking cues, especially from like the blackness

523
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 5: that I saw on screen as some kind of standard

524
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 5: that I had to sort of uphold because I was

525
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 5: being fed hiss a very specific version of like what

526
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 5: black culture was via television and film, then other versions

527
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 5: from my family, and then other times also being Asian,

528
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 5: I felt like I was just kind of like a punchline.

529
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 5: So I was always kind of sifting through media to

530
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 5: try and give me something. I'm like, well, that shit's

531
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 5: cool on TV.

532
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 8: For you.

533
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: Oh, let me tell you how.

534
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, my cousins, my black cousins were immediately they're like,

535
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 5: I was Jackie Chan from the second the first rush

536
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 5: Hour came out, or Blackie Chan with a lot of things,

537
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 5: and yeah, that was And at the time I was like,

538
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 5: or I would even you know, the thing is you

539
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 5: even point that inward and you're like telling other people.

540
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 5: You're like, I'm like rush Hour the person, you know

541
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 5: what I mean, and then take that because you'd rather

542
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 5: like you got laughs from that. But it's always interesting

543
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 5: how I was like, I was always using media sort

544
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 5: of like this touchstone to inform those things. And again

545
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 5: it was like out of seeking some way of like

546
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 5: finding myself, but also like maybe inadvertent or maybe very

547
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 5: intentional kind of personality formation.

548
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: As I was doing that.

549
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel like a very interesting way to

550
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 1: kind of just view the world and the cultural landscape

551
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: as like these figures that people that like resonate and

552
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, they express some like you know that I

553
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: read this book when I was young about like how

554
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: movies are like cultural dreams. They're like expressing some something

555
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: from like our shared unconscious and you know, so obviously

556
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: they resonate and people pay money to see them, but

557
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: then they have this second life where they shape us

558
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: in the same way that like linguists talk about language

559
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: shaping everything we do, because they like give us the

560
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: color palette that we are working with when we're like

561
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: trying to build the person that we want to be,

562
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: like how we talk, what we wear, how to like

563
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, hold our body posture wise. There's this crazy

564
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: story about how like Marlon Brando, characters like nobody in

565
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: the Mafia dressed like that until Marlon Brando did in

566
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: a movie, and then they were just like, yo, that's me,

567
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: that is me, that is who I want to be.

568
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: And then they started dressing like that, and then that's

569
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: that's what we associate with, you know, people in the Mafia.

570
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: But it was like this invention by a great artists.

571
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's so funny you brought that up because I

572
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 8: did an entire I did like this deep dive episode

573
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 8: about the Godfather and how Italian Americans reacted to it,

574
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 8: and I learned that where it was just like they

575
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 8: were they the gangsters were imitating the movie version of themselves,

576
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 8: which is just such a great little anecdote and a

577
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 8: great example of how there's just this back and forth,

578
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 8: this cultural exchange between the language of the movies and

579
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 8: then the language of the people, and how they feed

580
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 8: into one another, and sometimes they become so blurred that

581
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 8: you don't know, it's like a chicken and egg situation,

582
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 8: like which actually came first? Like was this you know,

583
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 8: did this exist?

584
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: Was it?

585
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 8: You know, was Marlon Brandall basing the character off of

586
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 8: a specific gangster hemit, and then it just became sort

587
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 8: of the template for all these other gangsters. Yeah, it's

588
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 8: just it's so interesting to think about that, or even

589
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 8: something like I don't know, the Rachel haircut in the nineties,

590
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 8: how everyone wanted that. It's just like, what a weird time,

591
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 8: what a weird, weird thing, how ingrained pop culture is

592
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 8: to all of us.

593
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I feel like we see it now even

594
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 5: more right, especially like with in politics, like every like

595
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 5: especially with like when you look at the symbolism and

596
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 5: like the imagery the semiotics of like political factions. Now,

597
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 5: like I feel like you see so many people on

598
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 5: the right, like far right, who are just they like

599
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 5: they love the Punisher, they love the Joker, and there's

600
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 5: like this weird like again there are people are finding

601
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 5: these archetypes again. Do I think maybe give even their

602
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 5: own like political battles, meaning you know what I mean,

603
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 5: like because it might not be enough for them to

604
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 5: be sort of get the picture because they're looking at

605
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 5: maybe their own situation, but they like they're saying like, Okay,

606
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 5: I'm on this side of the fence plus Punisher, Oh yeah,

607
00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 5: I like this.

608
00:31:59,280 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: This is me.

609
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 5: This is me the guy who is like just unhinged

610
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 5: violent and feels like that's the only way that can

611
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 5: solve things, to make people safe.

612
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

613
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: I think those two in particular are very like powerful

614
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: central sort of psychological archetypes that have really you know,

615
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: like back to Heath Ledger's Joker comes out at the

616
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: start of the Obama administration, and I think the like

617
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: resonated with people being like, not, everything's okay here, even

618
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 1: though kind of the mainstream media seemed to be like

619
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: we're good here, everything's good.

620
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: History is over.

621
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: And then like the Joaquin Phoenix Joker comes out and

622
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: like adds what I think are two crucial ingredients that

623
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: he is an in cel and that he is like

624
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: pointedly not funny but wants to be funny, which I

625
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: feel like are two of the key features of a

626
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: lot of the people who identify with the Joker and

627
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I mean that character has been around

628
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: and resonating for a long time, but it just feels

629
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: like it's really yeah. Wait, in the books that are

630
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: written about our culture, there probably won't be as many

631
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: of them as we like to think, but I feel

632
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: like that there will be a whole chapter on like

633
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: the Joker and the Punisher and shit like that.

634
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, yeah maybe just yeah, again just shows how much

635
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 5: meaning we like extract from like our like our popular culture,

636
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 5: because it wasn't like no one's like going in history

637
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 5: right like I I want to like I want to

638
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 5: be William Tacums to Sherman or something like John Brown.

639
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: They're like, I want to be the Punisher. Yeah, I

640
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: want to be Batman And.

641
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 5: You're like, oh shit, okay, so we've completely just exchanged

642
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 5: one for the other, but again has like that same

643
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 5: motivating force behind it, I.

644
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 8: Guess well, and also like the meaning that is being

645
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 8: extracted is often just like totally out of line of

646
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 8: what the meaning originally was or really is. Like when

647
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 8: I think about all the you know, the Bill Maher

648
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 8: types who complain about, oh, you can never get Blazing

649
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 8: Saddles made today, it's like, okay, but like Blazing Saddles

650
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 8: is actually like a radical piece of like filmmaking, and

651
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 8: they're just yeah, and they're just like focused on Oh,

652
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 8: well they you know, they're they're using the N word

653
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 8: or or whatever whatever. Actually I don't even remember if

654
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 8: the N word is us.

655
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.

656
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 8: It's like they are taking the wrong takeaways from that

657
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 8: movie to prove their point. But really it's just like

658
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 8: that movie was like maybe it wouldn't have been made today.

659
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Speaker 8: But also, like most people who are actually like liberals,

660
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 8: the ones you are fighting against, they would argue that

661
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 8: Blazing Saddle is actually really great because it's way more

662
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 8: transgressive than an episode of Family Guy or whatever. Like

663
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 8: it's yeah.

664
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Speaker 1: We wouldn't let you Bill Maher remake that would suck

665
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: and you would do a bad job. All right, let's

666
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: take one more break and we'll be right back. And

667
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: we're back, and so like this is just a story

668
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: of like the industriousness of the American spirit at this point,

669
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: is this is the good good news story. So Taylor

670
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: Swift concert tickets are impossible to get, So Swifties who

671
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: were shut out of the ability to go to the

672
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: show can now buy some loose confetti from the ones who.

673
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: Were able to go. All right, people who went to

674
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: the show.

675
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: And presumably like some of this is just they just

676
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: like went to party city, right, But they're claiming, they're

677
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: claiming that they're taking they're grabbing handfuls of the confetti

678
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: reselling it online. The pricing isn't that bad. It's only

679
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: thirteen dollars for a pack of ten. But my reason

680
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: for ten strips of fucking ten pieces of confetti from

681
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: the concert though, Miles, I don't think you understand it's

682
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: from the concert.

683
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 5: Wait to get to as we call down the streets.

684
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 5: You're buying a loose fetti for thirteen bucks.

685
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 9: Lucy's all right, buyti Lucy's but much less popular than

686
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 9: buying you know, regular confetti is confetti.

687
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: Lucy's just a single loose piece of confetti for sure.

688
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're claiming, like one sellar pointed out that

689
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: the confetti is somewhat limited at the show, only floor

690
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: seats and maybe some of the one hundred sections can

691
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: even get confetti. It's just like such a perfect encapsulation

692
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: of It's like people who are already wealthy or well

693
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: connected enough to be on the floor at like the

694
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: hardest concert to attend in recent modern history are just

695
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: like gathering up the confetti from the ground. I can

696
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: tell you the trash from privileged world and sell it.

697
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's elite, elite confetti.

698
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 3: You guys.

699
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you something that may undermine my

700
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 4: credibility on the show. But I have Taylor Swift tickets

701
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 4: the Seattle Show. But the funny thing is is I

702
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 4: was able to get them. My partner and I were

703
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 4: able to get them first round. It was no problem.

704
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 4: We just got tickets. And then suddenly everything exploded and

705
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 4: came toppling down. And so I'll be gathering some loose

706
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 4: confetti and I'll send it to you. Don't I don't

707
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 4: actually have good seats, though I get on any No,

708
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 4: I don't have.

709
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 5: I don't have a problem that you're going to the

710
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 5: Aras tour. I have a problem that you can't get

711
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 5: me loose petty off the floor. So get it together, please, Well.

712
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 4: Maybe I can get you know, maybe I can get

713
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 4: in a fight for you and.

714
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 5: Else yeah or yeah yeah, yeah cause a headline something

715
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 5: like that.

716
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: Another confetti salesperson pointed at that pointed out that people

717
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: are getting mad at her, but she's just following Taylor's

718
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: lead because Taylor Swift has created an insane business model,

719
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: a capitalist empire that's easy for people to jump on.

720
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: And that fan is also flipping sixty five dollars to

721
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: crew necks for two.

722
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: Hundred dollars each.

723
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: So I mean, I I appreciate the hustle, Like these

724
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: don't seem like they're they seem like they're just trying

725
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: to make money to recoup the fact that they spent

726
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: they might have spent like an entire ID check on this.

727
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 5: I just love the passionate defense of that fetti salesperson

728
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 5: that said Taylor Swift is created an insane business model.

729
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 5: People are getting mad that I'm selling confetti like thirty dollars,

730
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 5: But what's crazy is that A people are buying it,

731
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 5: and B you're in denial thinking Taylor Swift is not

732
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 5: a capitalist.

733
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: That's right, Oh my god?

734
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 5: Because yeah, I mean, like I've never seen somebody truly

735
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 5: milk their audience like this to be like, Yo, you

736
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 5: could buy this album with one extra song on it

737
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 5: and a new album cover.

738
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're like.

739
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I mean god, I wish I I'm in

740
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 5: the wrong business.

741
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna I might just go just to

742
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: get some of this confetti, the confetti, Like, I truly

743
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: can't imagine anyone going through the trouble of gathering up

744
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: the confetti off the floor and then like selling it

745
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: for thirteen dollars for ten strips like that? How much?

746
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: Like are you bringing garbage bags with you? Like, I

747
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: just think this has to be some cargo pants, cargo pants.

748
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: Cargo pants. I've already thought this out, Jack, I'm got

749
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: cargo pants.

750
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 5: Whoever I'm coming with us cargo pants and we're stuffing

751
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 5: them shits.

752
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

753
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 3: Big? Are these single pieces of confetti?

754
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 4: Because the picture does not have like a t scale scale, Yes,

755
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: of confetti?

756
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: Are they small band aid size?

757
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: Like? What are we saying? I'm thinking band aids? I've

758
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: never seen confetti. Like. The picture is really close up,

759
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: really shows the texture, full spectrum of colors too. Yeah,

760
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 2: the colors are great. It's a good hell are selling

761
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: right now? Yeah, you guys don't want to get it.

762
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: Honestly, I've purchased two packages twenty pieces of you said

763
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: that was an investment for your kids college.

764
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: It's for the future, and for.

765
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: Sure two dollars off if you buy three.

766
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, business business planning.

767
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 5: But I mean, Jack, this is the same thing like

768
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 5: when those like wacky racist people were like bottling up

769
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 5: fucking splash mountain water before.

770
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they made it all woke. Yeah you know what

771
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, they's only the same water.

772
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: No, I guess they're probably shutting it down for a while,

773
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: so who.

774
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 5: Knows either way. It's like you don't know what the

775
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 5: fuck if that's even what they're.

776
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: Selling you for.

777
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 10: Yeah, right, Like, yeah, you can go to part not

778
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 10: you get, Like I'm putting this in the same category

779
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 10: of like it's not worth it to like carry that

780
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 10: shit out with you, Like it's just so annoying to

781
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 10: like be going to the concert and carrying out just

782
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 10: like loose handfuls of confetti enough to make it like

783
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 10: worth getting, Like so you would have to have two

784
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 10: hundred to even.

785
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: Get, Like, I don't know, it's just you're making a three.

786
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 5: Oh, how do you pay for your Like Okay, can't.

787
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 5: What's the formula to pay for your floor seat by

788
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 5: someone the loose steady after like.

789
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: The margins on the sixty five dollars a piece for

790
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars each, Like that kind of makes sense,

791
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 1: but it's still like, are you bringing are you bringing

792
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: a fucking fork lift with you to the show? How

793
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: many of these shirts are you getting? So I feel

794
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: like these are all just grifters, Like the internet is

795
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: just so yeah, so full of grifters. This is These

796
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: are not people who actually went to the concert. These

797
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: are people just taking advantage. Like there's also somebody selling

798
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: ziploc bags of eras tour air, which I think is

799
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: a joke.

800
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 2: But that's a great grift, man, come on now.

801
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 5: But again, I but it's like, this is just this

802
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 5: is where we're at. It's like the same you see

803
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 5: the same thing, and every fandom, right like especially with Trump.

804
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 5: Trump grifts his all of his fans, and they grift

805
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 5: each the fuck out of each other, you know, because

806
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 5: they see like, oh shit, y'all buy anything. Okay, watch this,

807
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 5: y'all want trump Bucks and people are fucking buying them

808
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 5: if you are. Okay, So floor seats for the Sofi

809
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 5: Stadium show in La thirty five hundred, So quick maths

810
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 5: on that. I need to sell like three hundred.

811
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: The bundles of flu spand so you have to gather

812
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: three thousand pieces of fetti while you're there.

813
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 2: Okay, so don's like a lot.

814
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah that seems like a lot. Yeah, all right, I'm

815
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: not up on the fetti game.

816
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 5: But I mean, but or the smartest person are the

817
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 5: workers who have to clean up after the show. And

818
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 5: when they brooming that shit up, You're like, yeah, get

819
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 5: that in the bag, watch this that excel it to

820
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 5: someone who has left.

821
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 2: Earth and I can sell to them on eBay.

822
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully that's that's who's doing that, or hopefully it's

823
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: just a grifter.

824
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 5: What is what is something that would seemingly be detritis

825
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 5: to anyone else that you would pay actual dollars for?

826
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: Mm? Is there anything like that for either of you?

827
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 5: Chelsea Jack, Like if there was, even if it's something

828
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 5: you thought of, like oh, something from this movie or

829
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 5: something from this concert or this even if it was

830
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 5: this artist's fingernail, right, because I mean, somebody.

831
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: Could get me seemen sample of Grimace's.

832
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a I've got a big hair collection,

833
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: so famous people that I don't talk that much about,

834
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: but you've seen it. Yeah, yeah, I keep talking.

835
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 4: If I could get something from the Donner party, that's

836
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: what I want, a big daughter party. And yeah, if

837
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 4: I could get I don't know, I get some like

838
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 4: dirt from their cabin, I'd pay some I paid thirteen

839
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 4: bucks for.

840
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, just off the strength.

841
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: Of on me, like you know this, Yeah, yeah, this

842
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: is open there, open their jacket and it's just.

843
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would.

844
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 5: I would probably buy like like a roach that any

845
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 5: like one of my favorite wrappers smoked.

846
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like I would buy one of those

847
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: for like for cash. I mean I'm not gonna pay.

848
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna pay like one hundred bucks. But if

849
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: someone's like, yo, man fucking met them. Man was smoking

850
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: this blunt. I was like, okay, what you want.

851
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: Time you run out of weed, you just pop that

852
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: in your bong.

853
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 5: Yeah oh no, never, even when I'm like that's never,

854
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 5: I'll die sober before I sparked that method, man roach

855
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 5: I bought for fifty dollars from on epay.

856
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, like whatever.

857
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: The cleaning crew took out of the studio after like

858
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: a legendary recording session would actually.

859
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 5: Have like yeah, like even if it's like a old

860
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 5: Cuckoo Roo plastic bag exactly, remember Cuckoo Roo.

861
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can hear that bag crinkle on this way

862
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: in the uh torture sketch at the beginning of Method Man.

863
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the Hobby Lobby Satanic display. Yeah,

864
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: so I think this is like the most twenty twenty

865
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: three story of the day.

866
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

867
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 5: And it comes to us all the way from Texas

868
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 5: wearing an AI artist and member of the Satanic Temple.

869
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 5: Mind you used mid journey AI to basically take images

870
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 5: like loaded images of the like aisles of Hobby Lobby,

871
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 5: and the prompt was Hobby Lobby selling Satanic products, And

872
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 5: what came out was stunning bapam met demons all in

873
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 5: the gold legs, everything you could imagine that would make

874
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 5: a Christian person faint as they clutch their pearls. But yeah,

875
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 5: if you know Hobby Lobby, the hobby store for Christian

876
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 5: nationalists who like famously were like, we're not gonna pay

877
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 5: for fucking any kind of contraception, and we can discriminate

878
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 5: whoever the fuck we want to because that's our religious choice.

879
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 5: So this person, Jennifer Vineyard, made it, just wanted to

880
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 5: fuck around with AI and got these images and first

881
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 5: posted it to like an AI like art page, and

882
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 5: then other people just without even critically looking at it,

883
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 5: started reposting it on Facebook, like this one woman. You

884
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 5: can tell she's like reposting from something called AI art Universe. Yeah,

885
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 5: and then this listenman says, well, I guess even the

886
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 5: quote Christian owned companies can be bought for the right price.

887
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: Severely disappointed. Holy shit. I mean it's just I mean,

888
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: I get it.

889
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 5: We're in another satanic panic and nobody is, you know,

890
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 5: just credulously sharing shit. But yeah, just wold to see

891
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 5: how quickly the thing spread, and then again boom culture wars.

892
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 1: The size is the sizing is so far off, it's

893
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: really funny. Like the the sculptures, the like head, the

894
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: bust of Bafomet is like, you know, ten times the

895
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 1: size of the nearest thing. One of them actually looks

896
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: like they have little demons like sitting on a shelf

897
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: next to like air freshener and shit and like live laugh,

898
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 1: love car. Yeah, like baby sized or like toddler sized demons.

899
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: Just sitting there like five times the size of anything

900
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: else in hobby lobby that you can see in the picture,

901
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: and they're just like, yeah, man, and it's fucked up

902
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: out there.

903
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: Huh yeah.

904
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 4: If you go back to like the eighties Satanic panic

905
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 4: and nineties, I think this is a great example of

906
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 4: something that happens with an urban legend, and especially the

907
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: Satanic panic is like it's called ostension, right, and it's

908
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 4: like when there's already some kind of legend. Right, So

909
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 4: if we think, okay, a town's already worried about a

910
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 4: Satanic cult because you know, animals ate another animal weird

911
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 4: and left its carcass there, or you know, there's been

912
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 4: a murder and nobody can explain it. So there's already

913
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 4: this panic around satanic colts. And so a teenager goes

914
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: and that's what I see here, is like a teenager

915
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 4: going and spray painting Satan lives on like an underpass.

916
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 4: And then because this person's reacting to a panic that

917
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 4: already exists and having fun with it and like fulfilling

918
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 4: it and fucking with it, then it perpetuates the same

919
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 4: problem because then the people who already believe in the

920
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 4: legend take it seriously and yeah, exactly, Chelsea.

921
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry to jump in here, correct you and man,

922
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: teenagers would never do something so callous and chaotic as

923
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: to play into an existing urban legend just to fuck

924
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: with people. No, no, no, no, no, not teenagers, not

925
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: my teenagers.

926
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 4: It is or those with a teen spirit who are

927
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 4: making ai.

928
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 5: Art right temple, like who's apparently like a pharmacist in

929
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 5: training in the article they like have like I'm trying

930
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 5: to be a pharmacist, but also like fuck fuck this,

931
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 5: like these people freaking out over shit. The comments on

932
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 5: our people is that I haven't seen this in ours,

933
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 5: but it's been a couple of weeks since I've been

934
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 5: in there.

935
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: That's insane.

936
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 5: Another person had half a brand and said I'd have

937
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 5: to see this in person before I'd believe it. Good

938
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 5: for you, uh, dear Facebook user. Another one said, wow,

939
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 5: now this is crazy. Did the Christian owners sail or

940
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 5: are they just incompromise and cross the line and gone woke?

941
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 5: This is absolutely insane and the line real Christians would

942
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 5: never cross.

943
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 4: Thank you, sobody, such a famously Christian change. That's what

944
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 4: I love about, which I think that's why they did

945
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 4: it right I love.

946
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 5: The prodding of it to be like, well, what about

947
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 5: your sacred hobby lobby. Guess what they're in bed with

948
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 5: Bahamet over.

949
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: There, like yeah, we have nothing anymore.

950
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 5: There's another. I just love this one. Screw Satanic people.

951
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 5: Screw Satanic people. Look all I'm was after the qualifying

952
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 5: Screw Satanic people. Look all I'm saying is that Satanic

953
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 5: people are stupid and obviously you worst the damn devil.

954
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 5: I think may have meant you worship the damn devil

955
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 5: and stuff like that, and that's disgusting. I could never

956
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 5: And Satanic people can go work right really where they belong,

957
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 5: which is Hell. Yeah, okay, at least they're working.

958
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, nobody wants to work thought, Yeah.

959
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 5: Unless you're a Satanic person. And then you've got you

960
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 5: got your late for your shift in Hell, you're.

961
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 3: Working twice as hard.

962
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

963
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 5: But I mean, like, I don't hear this, This is

964
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 5: this feels like more of what we're going to see,

965
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 5: more and more of shit like this to your point,

966
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 5: like chelsea of people already like on an edge or

967
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 5: like on a on like a tight wire, and all

968
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 5: it takes is just a little bit of like visual

969
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 5: stimulus to suddenly kick it right back in and be like,

970
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 5: oh my god, this is true.

971
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I'm not even I can't even

972
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: think critically anymore. This is true.

973
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 5: It's all I need to see because my confirmation bias

974
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 5: is set to three million.

975
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 3: Well do you guys think that this kind of thing

976
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 3: is hell full?

977
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: Or do you?

978
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 4: Because I look at this sometimes and like, as much

979
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 4: as I don't want to feel this way, I'm like, ah,

980
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 4: you're really like, I think this is funny. I think

981
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 4: it's great to piss and out piss off and outrage

982
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 4: and freak out people. But then it's like it does

983
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 4: have the same effect of just adding to this story.

984
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 4: So I just I don't know, and I don't think

985
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 4: this person really meant that to happen, because it looks

986
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 4: like it just was pulled, right.

987
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 3: It was pulled from some yeah, and then.

988
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 5: They posted it like on Reddit and like on their

989
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 5: own Facebook, and then just it took off on its own.

990
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: But it wasn't a hoax, a purposeful hoax necessarily.

991
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: I think it was probably half hearted.

992
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 5: All see where it goes, See where it goes, because

993
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 5: I'll make an image that people will take seriously, now

994
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 5: what people do with it after that? I mean, she

995
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 5: said her one regret was that she didn't spend more

996
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 5: than ten minutes making it because like some people were like,

997
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 5: I see pound signs next to the prices, Like, I

998
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 5: don't know if this is happening in the US then yet,

999
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 5: and people like.

1000
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, it'sacause in other countries they put pound

1001
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: signs next to prices.

1002
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 2: To your point, yeah, I don't know, I mean for sure,

1003
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 2: like it for it.

1004
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 5: Prolongs this this situation, uh in people's minds, especially for

1005
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 5: the people who probably are not thinking critically and are

1006
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 5: just like, yep, and that's yeah, it's even hobby lobby.

1007
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 5: And then someone will tell them that's fake, and they're like,

1008
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 5: but i'd believe it if it happened.

1009
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then the fact that it's hobby lobby is

1010
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 4: helpful to me because it's like you are like, if

1011
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 4: you're going to weaponize this against something, then at least

1012
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 4: it's against you know.

1013
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 5: That's the only reason I even brought it up, because

1014
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 5: if it was someone doing that shit in target or whatever,

1015
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, this is like that, I don't I

1016
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 5: see this pure cynicism in it. But because of Hobby

1017
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 5: Lobby's you know, reputation as being an upstanding Christian company

1018
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 5: that discriminates indiscriminately like it is, then I feel a

1019
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 5: little less but I but I think it's an important thing.

1020
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 5: And I guess for you, someone who looks at this

1021
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 5: kind of thing, how could you, like, is there anything

1022
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 5: anyone could do to abbrieve ate something like this? Because

1023
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 5: it seems like once it's out there, people are gonna

1024
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 5: believe what they believe. And we see this and this

1025
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 5: especially post truth era we live in, where even if

1026
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 5: they're presented with the truth, they still pivot to something

1027
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 5: like yeah, but I could see how it would would

1028
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 5: be real, and it.

1029
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: Just yeah, yeah, it is.

1030
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 3: I mean it's a million dollar question, I think.

1031
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 4: And I mean I always this, yeah yeah, well I've

1032
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 4: rid of the Satanic panic since we did it so

1033
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 4: well before, But I don't know, I mean, I go

1034
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 4: back and forth because it does feel like an uphill

1035
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 4: battle that's possibly.

1036
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a this is so ancient. This

1037
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 3: is an ancient thing.

1038
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 4: I mean if you go back to like even Jewish

1039
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 4: blood libel with Christian saying okay, Jewish people are Satanic

1040
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 4: and they're sacrificing children, and you know, this is like

1041
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 4: a thousand years ago or more. So it's like, I

1042
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 4: don't know, I think it's just like we were talking

1043
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 4: about with moral panics all over the world, this is

1044
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 4: just the most entrenched thing because you're dealing with what

1045
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 4: you consider the biggest evil, right and so when you

1046
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 4: have this, especially like you have like a satan child

1047
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 4: killer of some kind, which apparently we all are, you know,

1048
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 4: it's easy then to justify whatever you want to do.

1049
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 4: And so I don't think people are going to let

1050
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 4: go of the ability to demonize literally an entire group

1051
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 4: of people or entire political affiliation or whatever, and then

1052
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 4: you know, justify whatever they want to do in retaliation

1053
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 4: to that evil. So I don't know if it's I think,

1054
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes I get pissed off at certain celebrities

1055
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 4: that really play into sort of the Satanic Illuminati thing

1056
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 4: as a lark, But I do think it has a

1057
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 4: lot of negative effects for people who aren't like massively

1058
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 4: rich celebrities in small towns, who might say, okay, like

1059
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 4: this is connected to gay people because a gay artist

1060
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 4: has like really played into the Satanic thing. I think

1061
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 4: that that can have some damage, but I would never

1062
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 4: say that it's not I don't know it. I really

1063
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 4: tow a line there of not being sure, because I

1064
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 4: do feel like sometimes it trickles down and does harmful

1065
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 4: things to really play into that. But at the same time,

1066
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 4: I don't know if it really truly makes a difference

1067
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 4: or if it's just entrenched and always going to be there.

1068
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 2: Right.

1069
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: I feel like the fact that these are all like

1070
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: the sizing is off, everything's like just a little too stupid,

1071
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 1: Like I think that makes it extra fun and worth while.

1072
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: Like I have no notes on this because it's inherently

1073
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: like it's exposing the stupidity of the people who would

1074
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: get mad at this by being like, this is the

1075
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: hobby lobby is selling these like life sized satan ensconss

1076
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: like next to Yankee candle decorations.

1077
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 3: And it's not even Halloween.

1078
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, just one.

1079
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: Met head in the middle of the fucking lamp aisle.

1080
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 4: So they're they're not even baphomets, really, I don't even know.

1081
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 3: They're like dark angels with wings coming out of their heads.

1082
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's like one one goady head, but yeah,

1083
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 5: a lot are just sort of vague Ai demonic regalia.

1084
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: I truly have no notes on this, but I think

1085
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: they should have a second thought about like whether they

1086
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: should have spent more time on it, because I think

1087
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: they spent just the exact right amount of time. I

1088
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 1: think is like one of the last like things that

1089
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: one of the last things we have before the fall.

1090
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, like we have to like create truth that

1091
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Speaker 2: is like I don't know, we need for comfort.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think if anything, go harder and make it

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Speaker 5: like go for the most unbelievable thing possible. Or it's

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Speaker 5: like they're selling Jesus and Baphomet sixty nine yng golfs

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Speaker 5: in the kids' aisle at hobby lobby, like here they

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Speaker 5: are and people, I mean, I'm sure it's just so

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Speaker 5: funny because people are like, so it's just it is. Again,

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Speaker 5: it's like horrifying too that some people realize yep, those

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Speaker 5: are the stakes and that's the situation. I mean, they

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Speaker 5: are making this kind of stuff like wow, okay, well anyway,

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Speaker 5: but I like through satanic people.

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Speaker 4: Look, you're gonna get so many comments where words that

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Speaker 4: shouldn't be capitalized are and it's just complete capitalization anarchy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally, Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 5: I do love that it was a satanic was treated

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Speaker 5: as a proper adjective. Yeah, you know, so again this

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Speaker 5: person woke moralists?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Is that what that quote was from Jordan Peterson? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: go to hell, woke moralists. It's not on my quote

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Speaker 1: of the day calendar I have for Yeah, it's coming

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Speaker 1: up though, Yeah it's coming up. All right, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and

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Speaker 1: review the show. If you like the show, h means

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Speaker 1: the world to Miles. He he needs your validation.

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Speaker 2: Folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to you Monday.