1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Alson media elections. No, we're not talking about those elections. 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: This is it could happen here. We're talking about a 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: bunch of other elections and how fucking terribly they went. 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Miya along with these James. 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: Stout Hi Mayah, I'm stoked. I do love a good election. 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: It's great to vote for people. 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: We are kind of talking about elections today, but the 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: thing that we're actually talking about is what has happened 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: to the left since twenty eleven. And anyone who was 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: around eleven, twenty thirteen, and like any time after that, 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: one of the arguments you got constantly was okay, so 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: twenty eleven, you have occupy, you have the movement to 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: the squares, You have these mass millions of people like 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: assembling in squares and trying to do direct democratic stuff 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: and you know, figuring it out and making it work, 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: and it not working, and you know all the complicated 17 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: and messy things that happen when you have real political movements. 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: And that the entire time, there was an entire chorus 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: of dipshits whose only line was, well, if you want 20 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: to get serious about taking power, you have to get 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: into electoral politics and these people got their wish, and 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: now we are, like almost a decade and a half out. 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: I think, I think we are finally in a position 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: to objectively analyze how well this shit went. And oh boy, 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: so join us as we wander from disaster to apocl 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: disaster and go over the wreckage of all of these very, 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: very once promising and inspiring social movements. Joy, I'm so excited. 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to hear yet another attempt at making 29 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: the world better than in fact failed. 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. So okay, there's actually two places we could start here, 31 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna let you pick. Do you want to 32 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: start with SARS or do you want to start with Podemos. 33 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: Let's start with Podemos. I do. I do enjoy a 34 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: good Spain. I'd been reading about the another round of 35 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: xums today, so I do love a country that has 36 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: banked into its constitution amnesty for people who did fucking 37 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: mass it likex Splain has more mass graves in anywhere 38 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 2: apart from is it Rwanda or Caia Cambodia. Cambodia is 39 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: if the only person I think that beat Spain from 40 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 2: Spain for mass graves. Yeah, a country which I cannot 41 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: say enough has not finished its civil war and remains 42 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 2: a post dictatorship and will until it recovers. Allows people 43 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: whose fucking parents and grandparents were murdered in the street 44 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: to recover their remains and grief for them. Sorry, I 45 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: thank you for me to my ted. 46 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: No, no, this is good. Well, and I mean, and part 47 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: of the context of this whole thing is that this 48 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: is one of the underlying things that causes the enormous 49 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: uprisings in Spain twenty eleven. They have one of the 50 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: biggest I mean actually literally one of the reasons Occupy 51 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: happens is that there are specific people who are in 52 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: like actually we fucked up with to Vicky Arsiwell on 53 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: the show about this, Like she was in Catalonia when 54 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: this stuff started. There's there's like a million like there 55 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: were individual squares where there are like a million people. 56 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in Catilinia when this stuff started. 57 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like, and that's one of the things that 58 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: brought that brings Occupied to the US is people who 59 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: were there for that being in the US and like 60 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: being in Chiconti Park when Occupied started, and so you know, 61 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: they have they have one of the largest and most 62 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: powerful like antisterity movements like anywhere in the world, is 63 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: very well organized. But one of the things that happens 64 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: in this is very quickly there's an attempt to hijack 65 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: this because people see the number of people who are 66 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: in the streets. They see they see this as an 67 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: opportunity to you know, take electoral power. Right, this is 68 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: the whole lines like we're we're serious about taking power, 69 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. And Podemos in particular, is 70 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: influenced by like some of the people on earth who 71 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: I hate the most. They're they're they're influenced by like 72 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: like they deliberate. They called themselves post Marxists, like left 73 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: populist philosophers. Their their model is Perhnism. It is a 74 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: shit show. It is a catastrophe. Like every single party 75 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: who's ever tried their strategy of taking power has failed, 76 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: Like left populism as an elect as specifically, like this 77 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: kind of left populaism at a strategy has a worse 78 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: record for taking power in Europe. Then left wing military 79 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: cups like. 80 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: It's that bad to be fair. Left wing mandatary rarely 81 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: succeed at the ballot box. 82 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: They use means they're they're they're a more effective way 83 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: of getting into power than this this fucking left electoralism shit. 84 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: So for people who don't really remember, Potamos was like 85 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: the like them and SARSI were like the thing in 86 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: like like post sort of like post occupier like and 87 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: in that moment of like, these are the like the 88 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: big like left like electoral successes, these are the things 89 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna gonna take power po Damos specifically, So the 90 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: the thing Podamos calls itself like their whole strategy is 91 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: to build old what they called the electoral war machine. 92 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: Their entire strategy is just to win elections. 93 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 2: That's it. 94 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. They're gonna pull together a bunch 95 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: of leftist groups, They're going to win elections. Did they 96 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: ever win a single election? No? Zero, The entire type 97 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: it has been says the formation of Footabos. It has 98 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: been what like thirteen years. They have lost every single 99 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: election in a row. 100 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: They were in the they were in the Sanchez coalition 101 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: government with the facility. 102 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, well so this is this is the other interesting 103 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: thing is that put the thing that Potamos is like 104 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: thing right originally was well they had this whole sort 105 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: of One of the things that was very popular in 106 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: their early twenty tens was this whole like, oh, we'll 107 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: have a political party, but it'll like take like it'll 108 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: it'll take its policy from these direct democratic assemblies. Those 109 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: assemblies have ever material that was all lie. Yet anytime 110 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: someone tells you that their political party is going to 111 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: take its direction from like assemblies in the street, they're 112 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: lying to you. They're trying to get you out of 113 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: the street. Don't believe them. So that that was all. 114 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: But the other big thing about about Potamos was that 115 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: they were supposed to be like the big like third 116 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: force in in Spanish politics, right, they were gonna be 117 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: like the new force that was going to come in. 118 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: They were going to wipe away all the crup politicians 119 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: and they specifically their big thing was that they refuse 120 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: to answer coalition governments. Now for long fast forward to 121 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: losing like six straight elections, and now what is Potamos 122 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: podemos is the permanent minority government coalition partner with the 123 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: Spanish Socialist Party. And before you get excited about the 124 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: Spanish Socialist Party like they suck, like they. 125 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: Are base shit, I will always stand anyone who digs 126 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: up Franco's rotting corps and flies it across the country. 127 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: That's those written. But they're also like that so much 128 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: like they they're they're they're they're also I mean, they've 129 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: they've kind of been forced to go a bit to 130 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: the left, like by Podemos and like by the sort 131 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: of transformations that happen. But they're also just like a 132 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: bunch of dealerble shits, Like they're like, literally, this is 133 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: one of the parties that Potamos was formed to run 134 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: out of power, and now they're just you know, they're 135 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: just a permanent like minority collige and governments. Pablo and Glacios, 136 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: who was put Amos as like great political strategies, he 137 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: was like, he was like their guy. He was the 138 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: guy he wore cool leather jackets and ship like. He 139 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: was the guy who was like in every. 140 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: Day any way you say a politician and left the 141 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: jacket you fucking run, Yeah, you run a mile and 142 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: he dad's trying to look cool energy. 143 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: He he has retired from politics. It just abject failure 144 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: because nothing ever fucking worked. One of the one of 145 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: one of the big things that you know, one of 146 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: the big recent things that Potamos did was help the 147 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: Socialist Party crush the massive wave of metalworkers strikes that 148 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: swept Spain in twenty eleven and in twenty twenty one. 149 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: So great stuff happening there. Like they're you know, they're 150 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: not literally fascists, and that's that's their selling point. Uh. 151 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: They they fucking lose every election and they yeah, ran, ran, 152 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: ran the social movements into the ground. 153 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a They literally had a thing, didn't they, Like, Yeah, 154 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: they're there men. Their initial manifesto was like to convert 155 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: indignation into political change, and like the movement that began 156 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: the occupation of the squares in Spain was called the 157 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: Indignatzo indignaos in Catalando Spanish. Like the whole thing was 158 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: like two channel this energy into a process which is 159 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: literally designed to stop shit changing. 160 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, guess what, it didn't fucking change. 161 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: They lost every election. They've never want an election, They're 162 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: never going to win an election. 163 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, remain in the street to my Spanish friends and 164 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: Catalan friends and Basque friends and Galician friends and other 165 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: friends in Iberia. 166 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, moving on to so you know, 167 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: we talked about how Spain had one of the biggest 168 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: movement of the squares type things. Greece, I think technically 169 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: gets the honor of having the first post two thousand 170 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: and eight uprising, which was actually not an economic thing. 171 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: It was the cops like murdered a fucking kid and 172 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: people just lit shit on fire like it was. It 173 00:08:55,280 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: was fucking wild. It was. There's a quarter about like 174 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: those first protests that I always I was thinking about 175 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: in like the height of twenty twenty when I was 176 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: watching that guy in the elbow mask with a molotov like, 177 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: which is you know that those first protests, it was 178 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: like people, it wasn't It wasn't that people were trying. 179 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: People weren't trying to build a political movement. They just 180 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: wanted destruction because. 181 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they were angry and they wanted to ben 182 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 2: sh it. 183 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: Down, abject abject fury at the cops just murdering this child, 184 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: and partially also they murdered this kid like in in Xarchia, 185 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: which is like Greece's anarchist like neighborhood. So yeah, terrible 186 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: idea by the police. Terrible thing. Greece has repeated massive protests. 187 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: One of the reasons they're having these protests is that 188 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: Greece is forced to accept these like crippling austerity measures 189 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: by the Troika, which is this group that was running 190 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: the bailouts in Europe, composed of the International Monetary Fund, 191 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: the European Central Bank, and the European Commission, which is 192 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: basically the executive branch of the European Union with reps 193 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: from all of the EU countries. And the product of 194 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: this is that the only faction that ever actually mattered 195 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: in the Troika was just Germany. Effectively, what was happening 196 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: with Germany was imposing like a bunch of economic sanctions on. 197 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is when like the European Union became like 198 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 2: what Germany says, we do especially got to this stuff. 199 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: In the context of these massive protests, Greece elects Soresa, 200 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: which is supposedly this left wing party that is going 201 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: to you know, the specifically the mandate they were handed 202 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: was stop the austerity, and literally they are in negotiation 203 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: with the Troika. They have a plan in hand to 204 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: tell the Troika to fuck off and for Greece to 205 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: leave the European Union, to set up capital controls to start, 206 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: like you know, this is a process that would have 207 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: like the only way this could have functioned is they start, 208 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, they start literally like seizing property from like 209 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of fucking yacht owners. And instead of doing 210 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: that literally at the last second, with the plan in 211 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: hand at the negotiating table, Soresa folds. Instead they cut 212 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: a deal with the Troika. They imposed literally the exact 213 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: same austerity measures they are put in power to stop. 214 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: And then you know, now now having done this, they're 215 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: now facing their own giant anti sterarity protests. And the 216 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: thing that Theresa does is ally with the riot police. You, 217 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: by the way, one of the things, one of the 218 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: ways this reason got people to support them was specifically 219 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: by running on basically completely rebuilding the Greek police force, 220 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: because Greece's police force, oh yeah, fuck me, just straight 221 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: up a bunch of Nazis. And when I say that, 222 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: I literally they vote. I think it's ninety seven percent 223 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: of their members voted for the Golden Dawn, which is 224 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: like the Greek neo Nazi Party. Yeah, and like so 225 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: many of these people vote for the Golden Down that 226 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: they can be considered like a significant part of the 227 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: total of the Golden Don's base. 228 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm perhaps more importantly of its like street fighting 229 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: element that yeah that kills anti fascists, right. 230 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: Those guys like the Golden Dawn eventually comes apart because 231 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: they they ordered the assassination of an anti fascist rapper 232 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: from parliament and then had the guy killed. Yeah, yeah, 233 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: just fucking batch it. And those are the people who 234 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: the Greek police are supporting. But Sarge Sarsa needs them 235 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: because they need the police to smash the anti serity 236 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: movements to stop people from like knocking off their governments 237 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: and stopping the austerity. And they do it. It works Eventually, 238 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: after years and years and years and years of just 239 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: smashing these like smashing these protests with police, they're able 240 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: to you know, they're they're they're able to stamp out 241 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: the sort of the giant social movements. And the consequence 242 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: of this is that they turn over Greece to just 243 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: like a bunch of murderously far right, anti immigrant shitheads. 244 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: Who are the people who currently run Greece. They're unbelievable, 245 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: like just unbelievably right wing. These guys are so right 246 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: wing they were trying to find ways to claim credit 247 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: for getting it, like getting those like several hundred people 248 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: on that migrant ship earlier this year killed Like, yeah, 249 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: that's who currently runs Greece, and that's Shoe. The reason 250 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: like turned power over to because they literally did nothing, 251 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: it destroyed their own base. 252 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably worth like stopping to note here that 253 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: like fearmongering around migrants has been the thing that has 254 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: moved like straight up fascists into power in much of 255 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: southern Europe, right, like Italy and Greece, And like, even 256 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: if you're not a person who lives at the border, 257 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 2: like this ship is absolutely like the playbook that the 258 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: fire right is using all over the world, absolutely using 259 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: here right now, and we have an election. You're here, 260 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: and like you owe it to the world to correct 261 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: that bullshit differ information whenever you can. Now that we're 262 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: talking about Greece, can we just briefly mention the Archer 263 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: of Syntagma, the biggest chad ever to walk the earth? Yeah, sorry, 264 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: I can't do it. I got you an episode without 265 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: this guy. If you are not familiar with Yannis Mikladis, 266 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: this absolutely legend dude who took a bow and arrow 267 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: to the protests given a third Tia said, and then 268 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: escape from prison I think was recaptured and then it 269 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: went on hunger straight for a while. Just just a 270 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: series of experts that they're truly legendary. 271 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: H incredible. They replace this with fucking just being another 272 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: party that imposed Austeria. Yeah, like, no, no one's replaced 273 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: that guy. He's still he's still remain but as as 274 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: as they replaced the political movement that produced this guy 275 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: with like just just genuinely the greatest glowdown in human history. 276 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: Just terrible stuff. 277 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's very sad. It could have been a 278 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: wonderful thing. There are still like Greece has still are 279 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: very strong and and and uh like a respectable anarchist movement. 280 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: I'm trying to get over there to they squat large 281 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: areas of housing for migrants to like allow microslip in it. 282 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: And it's extremely based and I'm trying to get spend 283 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: some time. 284 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: I forgot to mention this. So they also do this 285 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: in Spain, and so I find about this on the 286 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: show before, but I actually mentioned it here since we're 287 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: doing this. So want of pudimos is like regional allies 288 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: as Barcelona and Camu. First thing that Barcelona and Camu 289 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: did upon taking power was a victim immigrant squad because 290 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: they knew it wouldn't have enough defenses to stop the 291 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: police and victim. So fuck these people. Those people used 292 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: to be anarchists, they're traders. Fuck them. 293 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this happens constantly, right like the Senate entered 294 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: into government in nineteen thirty six with the Spanish Socialist 295 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: Party and getting and got completely owned by Moscow and 296 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: extremely predictable fashion, and all their friends got in some 297 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: cases literally flayed alive. Perhaps consider not doing that next time. 298 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, So, speaking of being played alive, do you know 299 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: do you know who else will flay you alive? You 300 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: don't buy their buy their stuff? 301 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: Is it their products and services? I support this podcast again, 302 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: isn't it? They're fucking they're all over that shit. We 303 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: can't say that? Can we just bleep it me in? 304 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: All right? 305 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: We're back, So all right, we need to talk about 306 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: two other places where this kind of stuff happened. We're 307 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: leaving Europe, We're gonna go We're gonna go to briefly, 308 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: we're going to go to the Anglophone world. No, a 309 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: deeply cursed place. So in the US, all of these 310 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: same people gained power their giant political project, and their 311 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: only real political project was attempting to elect Bernie Sanders. 312 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders lost two consecutive elections, first to Hillary Clinton, 313 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: the most unpopular Democratic presidential candidate in modern history, and 314 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: then lost a second election to Joe Biden de manso. 315 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: See now he forgot what president he served as VP under. 316 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: And I'm only mentioning this because these are these are 317 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: the people who spend all of their time talking about 318 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: how serious they are about taking power, and they got 319 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: their rass kicked by again Hillary Clinton, the most unpopular 320 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: candidate in the entire history, like the Bordern history of 321 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, and Joe fucking bited a man like 322 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: I just okay. And instead the one guy they did 323 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: run and managed actually like get into power was one 324 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: John Fetterman. 325 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Look he's had some banging tweets, but 326 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: he's been a complete fucking turd in his time in office. 327 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: I'm pissed about this because from the very beginning I 328 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: was like, this guy sucks ass. He's a Zionists, he's 329 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: anti immigrants, he fucking sees. 330 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 2: Anti trousers, he opposes said anything below. 331 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: The knee, and no one fucking believed me this. His 332 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: campaign was run by a bunch of fucking DSA people, 333 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: and instead they elected John fucking Fetterman, who hates everyone 334 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: who fucking worked with him, is just screaming like the 335 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: same fascist anti immigrant borders. 336 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: He's also in the pocket of big egg. He's made 337 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: he's introduced a bill to not allow people to go 338 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: vegan ex substitutes egg. 339 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: But he's not even in like the pocket of like 340 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: good big egg. Like he's not in the pocket of 341 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: like big people who haven't realized that they're trans yet. No. No, 342 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: he's in the pocket of bad big egg. 343 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 2: I think that's an act of solidarity. Like as a 344 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 2: as a man with a giant bull dome, he somewhat 345 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: resembles an egg, so he feels like communion with other eggs. 346 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: I think that's what he says. Yeah, so okay, that 347 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: that's the US. At some point, we're gonna do another 348 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: episode about the all of the just fucking absolute dipshits 349 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: that they elected in the DSA elected in LA who've 350 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: been doing like just sweeping homeless camps. So fuck them. 351 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: But that's not that's not today. We're we're a Segnna 352 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: move to Corbin. So all right, so the British last 353 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: in the beginning of and I know it's this is 354 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: like impossible to imagine now, but in the beginning of 355 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: the twenty tens, the Britain had a vibrant and expanding left. 356 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: It had a bunch of straight movements. They had the 357 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: student protests, they had a bunch of riots, and all 358 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: of that energy and all of those fucking people, you know, 359 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: got got sucked up by Corbinism, and Corbin lost an 360 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: election to Boris fucking Johnson, a man who was ousted 361 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: by his own party and replaced by Liz shorter term 362 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: than a cabbage trust, like you know, and all of 363 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: these people, all these people I've I've had to talk 364 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: to these people for fucking years and years and years, right, 365 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: and their whole thing was like, well, okay, like, but 366 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: the media riad the election against us, and the Labor 367 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: Party was trying to stab just like, yeah, no, shit, 368 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: what the what the fuck did you expect was going 369 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: to happen? Did you seriously think if you even like 370 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: just wreck remotely wanted to challenge capital at all? Did 371 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: you seriously expect that the poorgeoisie were gonna play by 372 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: the rules. What the fuck did you think was gonna happen? 373 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: Did you think they were just gonna fucking sit there 374 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: and let you take power because your ideas were somewhat popular, Like, no, 375 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: of course they fucking were. Of course they were going 376 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: to sabotaut you. And the whole fucking thing about the media, 377 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: it's like, well, yeah, of course, you know, like, yeah, 378 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: obviously the media in Britain is run by the fucking Burdox. 379 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: Their press is unbelievably insanely right wing. Sure, however, come 380 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: you guys are the ones who decided to pick an 381 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: arena where your candidate and your entire political project can 382 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: be sunk by negative press attention. You picked that arena 383 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: to fight, and then on top of that, you ran 384 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: a completely conventional political campaign. Right, Literally, all you did 385 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: was fucking campus. You ran a completely conventional political campaign 386 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: that everyone's fucking Pikachu facing that they had like one 387 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: of the worst labor losses in modern history, right, Like Okay, 388 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: what what the fuck did you think was going to happen? Right? Then? 389 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: This this is again, this is one of the reasons 390 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: why electorialism doesn't work, because if you're in a field 391 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: that is entirely about the popularity of one person, and 392 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: there's an entire apparatus that is able, that is better 393 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: able than you to directly communicate to the entire population 394 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: to tell them that that one person is fucking bad. 395 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: Of course you're gonna fucking lose, Like what did you 396 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: think was going to happen? And now you know the 397 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: Labor Party is run by Cure Starmer, who is like 398 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: the most right wing labor candidate since, like Tony Blair. 399 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: He prosecuted the people who were in the streets in 400 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: twenty ten. Right, Like that is where we've got to now. 401 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 2: It's like we have a choice between like Ricci like 402 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 2: send gunboats into the channel to smink sink the small 403 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: ship Sunak and the guy who wants to look you 404 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: up for taking a bottle of water from boots in 405 00:20:59,240 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: twenty ten. 406 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's not a choice. And that's and like 407 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: the corporate left has been basically completely liquidated. The only 408 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: thing that's left if you know, these media organizations who 409 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: are all attacking right as fast as they can possibly 410 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: fucking move, because that's what the fucking money is. Because 411 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, Stormary actually used to be a trusky eye 412 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: and all of these people know that the way you actually, 413 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 1: if if you were on the left and you want 414 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: to take electoral power in Britain, the way you do 415 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: it has become a conservative and it will work. 416 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean look, look look at Tony Blair, right, 417 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: he was extremely successful in like criminalizing being a teenager 418 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: and these insanely right wing policies. Again, people aren't familiar 419 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: with anti social behavior orders in Britain. They should, they 420 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: should look them up. And oh my god, machines that 421 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: make noise to keep young people out of public space, 422 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: like to fully yeah, like the ship he was doing 423 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: was insane, and uh if people continue to well, look 424 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: Britain's electoral system and you think America's electoral system as fucked, 425 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 2: check out first past the post, like fully insane. One 426 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: of the areas I lived when I was a kid, 427 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,239 Speaker 2: like you just didn't have an option. There was some 428 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 2: like someone named Giles or a similar kind of like 429 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: Giles vibing name, or a token Lib DEM candidate and like, 430 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 2: you know, mom, but Juke was your only choice really, 431 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 2: like like, which is why I did not engage in 432 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 2: the practice of voting in the United Kingdom. But yeah, 433 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: it is a funck system. 434 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and again it's like, well, yeah, you chose a 435 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: rigged system to participate in in the first place. And 436 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: then it's like, well you lost. Well yeah, it was like, yes, 437 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: you can complain that it was rigged against you, but 438 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: you should have known that going in. If you were 439 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: genuinely serious about taking power, you had to know that, 440 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: and you fucking didn't, and now your entire country has 441 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: been absolutely destroyed. So yeah, that's the UK and we're 442 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: going down. And so from there we're going to pivot 443 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: to Latin America, where there is a very very long history. 444 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: In fact, a lot of the Latin America parties we'll 445 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: be talking about mostly aren't even parties that took over 446 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: from the momentum of twenty eleven like uprisings. They're from 447 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: like the two thousand and one movement, some people who 448 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: hijacked like two generations back of social movements by this point. 449 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: And I think that the post twenty eleven stuff was 450 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 2: inspired by the pink wave stuff in Latin America, right, 451 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 2: Like it goes around in the circle. 452 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, So so now we're gonna check in on how 453 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: the pink tide's doing. The answer is absolutely dog shit. 454 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: So we're gonna go to Ecuador first. So okay, Ecuador 455 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: is right now a complete fucking disaster. It shouldn't be 456 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 1: like this though. In theory, Korea is like the is 457 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: the guy, and he's like the leftist guy. In Ecuador, 458 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: he's like, he is there, guy, you came out of 459 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: the pink tide. And in theory, his party should win 460 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: like basically every Ecuadorian election from now to the end 461 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: of time. They should, in theory have the easiest job 462 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,719 Speaker 1: of like every every any electoralers you're talking about in 463 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: this party they have had. They had a decade in 464 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: power to just completely destroy all of their political oppositions 465 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: and you know, to completely rebuild the economy and political 466 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: land shape in a way that would have made the 467 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: right taking power impossible. Instead, his party is completely unelect 468 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: and have an out of power for eight fucking years. 469 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: After Lennon Moreno, who is the guy that they literally 470 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: the hand picked guy that they picked to run their 471 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: own party, purged them all, tried to have Correa arrested, 472 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: and spent the entire rest of his career being a 473 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: right winger. Now, even after even after they got purged 474 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: for their own party, by the guy that they hand 475 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: picked to put into power decks after they would turned 476 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: out to be a right winger. Even after that happened, 477 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: they still should have been able to win like every 478 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: fucking election. However, Comma Correa, instead of like doing normal 479 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: leftist stuff, spent like his entire career sending riot police 480 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: to beat the shit out of the digitus eychological protesters 481 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: who didn't want them drinking water to be poisoned by minds, 482 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: which means there were a huge number of like indigenous 483 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: leftists who should be part of like the left wing base, 484 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: who Wilma under any circumstances vote for Korea even if 485 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: he was running against literally the devil, because he fucking 486 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: beat the shit out of them, like fuck you, and 487 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, and when I should briefly explain like, okay, 488 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: this is this is obviously a very very simplified this 489 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: is yes, a political I mean, I'm going to do 490 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: a political compass thing that's very simplified, but I think 491 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: gets across one of the major kind of like breaks 492 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: in a lot of Latin American countries that have real 493 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: lefts and also whose economies are largely based on resource extraction, 494 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: which is that okay. So you know, you have you 495 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: have your kind of political compass like you would in 496 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: the US, you have a let you have a left 497 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: right axis. But in a lot of these countries, the 498 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: updown acxis isn't like statist anti status. The updown access 499 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: is on the one hand you have like developmental extractivists 500 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: and on the other hand you have ecological anti extractivists. 501 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: So what this means in practice is there's this giant 502 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: divide over whether or not you should do drilling on 503 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: indigenous land. So, for example, you have the current right 504 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: wing Ecadorian government which is extractivist in right wing, and 505 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: this means they think you should drill on indigenous land 506 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: and you should take all of the money you get 507 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: from that and give it the rich people. There is 508 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, Korea's government was extractivist and left wing, which 509 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: means that you know, you do you do all the 510 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: mining on indigenous land, but then you take the money 511 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: and you give it to a welfare state. And then 512 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: opposed to him was a bunch of anti extractivists, indigenous 513 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: ecological groups who want redistribution, but they don't want like 514 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: they don't want people poisoning their water with mines, so 515 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: they oppost Korea because they don't want their shit. Mind. 516 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: And then there's also Kris alsopposed by these like liberal 517 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: environmental NGOs who like don't want the Amazon destroyed, but 518 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: also like poor people can go fuck themselves. And this 519 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: this has made the way the consolation of these things 520 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: have worked out, means that like what should be like 521 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: a pretty normal left right political alignment thing has gone 522 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: completely nuts. There's a bunch of like there's a bunch 523 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: of sort of like econological indigenous groups who have on 524 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: who have like swung right because the right wingers are 525 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: the only people who will support them against Korea. Meanwhile, 526 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: the actual like indigenous electoral opposition in his various forms 527 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: is a complete fucking disaster, Patrick Cutik, which is like 528 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: the this is the like the big sort of like 529 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: indigenous electoral alliance. They keep running this guy named yaku Perez, 530 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: who is like he's like the only person in the 531 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: entirety of Ecuador who's more unelectable than Korea. Is like 532 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: nobody fucking even even the addigenous opposition to Korea like 533 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: doesn't like him. So and and you know, eventually Jakuperez 534 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: like left the party, but it doesn't really matter because 535 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: they still just lose every single election. The the left 536 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: just there's completely dysfunctional. And you know, there's there's other 537 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: like things going on here. Two, which is that like, 538 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: for example, Korea is like has an unbelievably hardline anti 539 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: abortion stance, Like he he threatened to resign if his 540 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: party tried to pass legislation that would allow abortion in 541 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: the case of rape like that. So anti abortion, this guy. 542 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: Is fucking that's bad. 543 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: This is like, like, okay, yes, this is this is 544 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: this is a very very Catholic country. Right even by 545 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: that standards, that's fucking nuts, Like. 546 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's christ Oh yeah, that's that's rough. 547 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: You know. So the product of this is that a 548 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: a country that has a like a decently centered left 549 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: electoral like electorate in theory, has produced three straight conservative governments. Uh. 550 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: These governments have absolutely annihilated the Ecuadorian economy and the 551 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: welfare state and left it prey to like to organize crime. 552 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: Who you know, Unlike the just completely dysfunctional Electorian state 553 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: can at least provide like a semi stable income. But 554 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: the downside of this is that they're organized crime. So 555 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: you know not things going very badly. You've probably seen 556 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: some of the like absolutely wild videos of stuff of 557 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: like people storming, like like armed groups just like storming 558 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: like TV stations, they assassinate, they'vessassinated actually several presidential candidates. 559 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, that was it's been there on a wild one. 560 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really bad. 561 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: On Christmas Eve, if I was talking to a family 562 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 2: from Ecuador who's had gone to the US to get 563 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 2: some medical treatment for the son who very manifestly needed help, 564 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: and they were telling me like just of their life 565 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: experiences and. 566 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: Like it was bad. 567 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: It was like I've been to some places where violence 568 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 2: it happens, and like the stuff that they were telling 569 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: me was was shocking. 570 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: It's gotten really really bad since basically between twenty fifteen 571 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: and twenty seventeen, and it's just progressively gotten worse. As 572 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,719 Speaker 1: he's writing, governments have stayed in power, and you know, 573 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: right now, right now, there hasn't been an alternative to 574 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: them because the electoralists tour again, the people who are 575 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: supposed to be serious about taking power are just a 576 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: complete fucking disaster and can't do anything. 577 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, career can't literally can't go back to Ecuador. Now right, 578 00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: I think he might. 579 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: I think you can go back. Now. There was a 580 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: while where there was a warn out for his arrest. 581 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: I think he's back now. Okay, Yeah, but the ray 582 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: of light for ecuadors. The Ecuador still has a lot 583 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: of very like of very militant street movements who have 584 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: been winning, have actually been like winning concessions from governments 585 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: when they go when they go into the streets. So 586 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: that's good. In Shilah, one day the electoralis get the 587 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: fuck out of their way and they win. But hasn't 588 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: happened yet. Things are really bleak. On that note. Do 589 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: you know what's not really bleak? 590 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 2: The possibility of buying gold coins. Yeah, to insulate ourselves 591 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 2: against inflation. Yep, you'd be stoked if you had a 592 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: ton of gold, neck kudo, wouldn't you? Currency has gone 593 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 2: to shit. Sitting on your pile of gold like Scrooge mcdug, 594 00:30:51,440 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: you'd be you'd be living the dream. 595 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: All right, And we're back. So all right, we're gonna 596 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: take a couple of other take a few other places 597 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: that the electoral left has won in uh Chavismo is 598 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: dead as a door nail. Maduro's slashing pensions, all rising 599 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: the economies, cutting a bunch of deals with American oil companies, 600 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: and has arrested leadership the Venezuelan Communist Party again keeps 601 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: doing this. So, you know, things things going great, like 602 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: obviously not helped by the blockade, which is very bad, 603 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: but like, you know, not great Marina, which we're not 604 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: going to talk an enormous At some point we're gonna 605 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: like actually do a thing like actually go talk to 606 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: the Zapatistas. But things are not good there right now. 607 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: So the left in theory kind of has taken power 608 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: in Mexico. Unfortunately, the moment they took power, they immediately 609 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: tacked right, handed control of vast swaths of the country 610 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: over to the military, built a train through a bunch 611 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: of indigenous land and then gave that to the military. 612 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, switched a bunch of military commands around because they 613 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 2: like claimed that the old guys were corrupt. 614 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, and one of the other things 615 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: that's been really bleak about it was that, like the 616 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: whole premise of Omlo like coming into power was like 617 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: he ran in the campaign hugs not bullets, right. His 618 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: whole thing was he was supposed to be ending the 619 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: war on drugs. Did he end the war on drugs? 620 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely not, power to the military. People still getting fucking slaughtered. 621 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I definitely saw a bunch of 622 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: dudes in ski mask with a fifty cow chilling just 623 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: the other side of the border, yeah, by the government 624 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 2: two days. 625 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: Ago, and and and and instead of doing that, he's 626 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: also been like continuing the like escalating the war against 627 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: the Zapatistas who have been getting just like people getting 628 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: fucking murdered by a bunch of these government backed Proya militaries. 629 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: It's really fucking bleak out there right now. Yeah, So 630 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: that that that's been that's in the legacy of OMLO 631 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: finally winning a Mexican election is the most right wing 632 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: possible Omlow governments. Like I will say, they're better on 633 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: trand stuff than everyone, like the other parties who were 634 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: all completely nuts. But that's about the only bright spot. 635 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, like they were in bilateral negotiations with 636 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: the US, and like when the US clicked his fingers 637 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 2: and said shut down these gaps in the border, they 638 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 2: sent a bunch of National Guards soul just to sit 639 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: right at the gap in the border. 640 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: War they've been they've been doing a bunch of just 641 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: like horrific anti border shit. AMLA was also just like 642 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: pretty friendly with Trump, which. 643 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a populist thing there. 644 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that fucking sucks. And so we're going to 645 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: close on the maas Oh boy. So there's been a 646 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff happening in Bolivia that I don't I 647 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: don't think most Americans have heard much about. So the 648 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: Maasment movement for socialism, there's some other shit, but yeah, 649 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: uh they are well, okay, So for most of the 650 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: time they've existed, it's been even Moralesis party. However, COMMA 651 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: it was always kind of a weird coalition because the 652 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: mes is this coalition between like the social movements, and 653 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: in this context, like people say social movements, this includes 654 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: like you know, like giant like movement groups, but also 655 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: like unions and stuff. So it was a coalition of 656 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: these unions and these like developmentalist capitalists who are well 657 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: together by even morallies and some of his allies, and 658 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: you know, the sort of common ground of forging a 659 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: like quote unquote indigenous Florid national state that's based on 660 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: like based on forging a welfare state based on like 661 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 1: mining and extractive stuff and like oil drilling and stuff, 662 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: and also based on the emersions of this new sort 663 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: of indigenous middle class. Right now it has split in 664 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: two between an Evil Morales faction and who was the 665 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: foreign president, was president for a very very long time, 666 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: and Luis ocre who was the who is the current 667 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: president of Oblivia, but has been kicked out of the 668 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: MS by EVO and his faction. So this is a disaster. 669 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 1: They both of them, both Okre and Evil Morales, have 670 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: these they have a lot of personal alliances within the 671 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: social movements, and this means it's been a very very 672 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: messy split. And you know, this is not okay. If 673 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: you look at these two people, you would expect it 674 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: to be an ideological split because Acres from like the 675 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: developmentalist right of the party. Like he was he was 676 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: a banker, he's been in charge of the Bolivion Central 677 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: Bank for a long time. He was like finance minister, 678 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,479 Speaker 1: so he's from like the center right, like developmentalist faction 679 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: of the party. Evo technically speaking, has been the representative 680 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: of like the the sort of like the social movement 681 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: faction of the party. He has a lot of allies 682 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: in a lot of Coca Growers' Union stuff like that. 683 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: But it hasn't broken like that because this isn't an 684 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: ideological fight. This is just these two guys both want 685 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: to be presidents and so they've they've literally torn the 686 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: entire Bolivion left in two over over this fucking bullshit. 687 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, never before happened on the left. Two dudes wanting 688 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 2: to be in charge. 689 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is this has been really really messy, 690 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 1: and it's not breaking down the way. It's not breaking 691 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: cleanly politically down because there's a lot of like people 692 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: from the anti extractivist left of the party who are 693 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: pissed off of the way that EVO has like personally 694 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: tried to seize control of what are supposed to be 695 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: independent social movements. And I know people hear that and 696 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: are like, wait, what's what's the problem with like social 697 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: movements being integrated with the state, Because like we don't 698 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: the US doesn't have social movements, like not not in 699 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: the way that like that Latin America has them. Like 700 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: BLM is the closest thing that we have to that. 701 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: But imagine if like BLM was like an actual leftist group, 702 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: like the actual like or organization Black lives Matter, Yeah, 703 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: like capital Western Yeah, yeah, it was like it was 704 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: like it was like a leftist group that would like 705 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: lead protests and strikes and ship like we don't we 706 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: don't have that. That's like not a thing here. And 707 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: so mostly when when people hear about the stuff, they're like, wait, 708 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: what what does that mean? Like why why are we 709 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: complaining that the like these that social movements are being 710 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: like folded into the state or like folded into this 711 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: bureaucratic apparatus. So I'm gonna run through an example of 712 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: what that looks like in practice. So we're gonna we're 713 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: gonna talk about the could briefly talk about the Confederation 714 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: of Indigenous Peoples of Bolivia. 715 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 2: So yeah, based, yeah, so we follow flag. 716 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: I didn't have anything in there on it. It is 717 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: very funny, given given what we're about to talk about. 718 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: It is very funny that all of the pro m 719 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: As people in in in the US had that as 720 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: their flag, as like, they had that flag as their 721 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 1: profile picture when this coup was going on. 722 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 2: It's one of the cool oft flags out there. 723 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: It rips, it does rip. So so back in twenty eleven, 724 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: this is like this is like eight years before the coup, 725 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: the Confederation of Indigenous People of Bolivia opposed building this 726 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,879 Speaker 1: road through protected indigenous territory that the government was trying 727 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: to force through. So they opposed it. Their opposition didn't 728 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: do anything. They you know, they joined in this enormous 729 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: protest movement against this road construction, even when his supporters 730 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: had the Confederation's offices stormed by riot police and tried 731 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: to replace his leadership with loyalists. This failed initially, and 732 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 1: the you know, so the the Confederation of Indigenous People's 733 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: Oblivia had been part of the like of the mas's 734 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: like formal alliance, right, and after that they were like 735 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: fuck you man, we're out. Uh. They left, and then 736 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: the confederation split between the groups who were pro evil 737 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: and everyone else. So another faction of the confederation split 738 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: from the regular confederation and went back and joined and 739 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,959 Speaker 1: calling themselves the same thing, and went back and joined 740 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: the MAAS again. So like this is a shit show, right, 741 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: and a lot of it is like you know, it's 742 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: it's it's it's comes down to these sort of like 743 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: loyalty testings, like are you willing to back every single 744 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: thing that EVO wants to do? And if you're not 745 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: like they're going they're faction. And this is the thing 746 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,399 Speaker 1: that like this happens in the fucking DSA all the time, right, 747 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: Like everyone in the DSA is constantly trying to purge 748 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: every other faction to install their loyalists like in charge 749 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: of whatever fucking working group. Right. But you know this 750 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 1: is happening in a place where the left actually has power, 751 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: which means that instead of like you know a series 752 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,479 Speaker 1: of weird elections and like purging people from positions, you're 753 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: storming their offices riot police. Yeah, this is why a 754 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: lot of sort of groups so you would expect to 755 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: be backing evil Art and are backing Okray instead. But really, truly, 756 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: this is just two guys having a dick waving contest. 757 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,720 Speaker 1: By this is what happens when you do electoralism. Yeah, 758 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: but you know it's also worth mentioning the reason we're 759 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: in this situation in the first place is that Evo 760 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: refused to just like in twenty nineteen, refuse to just 761 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: let someone else in his party run. Like if literally 762 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: anyone else had run, the MAAS would have just trivially 763 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: easily won the election. There wouldn't have been coup. It 764 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't even been the potential to do one, but he 765 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: refused because he wants to personally be in power. And 766 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,479 Speaker 1: this is what allows the twenty nineteen coup to happen. 767 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,439 Speaker 1: And the second, the second reason that we're here now 768 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: is that in twenty twenty one, and I don't think 769 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: I don't think most American left just like know about this. 770 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: I think people know about the coup. I don't think 771 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: people know about the stuff that happened in twenty twenty one, 772 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: which is that there was this massive series of there 773 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: was this massive series of like barricades that went up 774 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: to bring down the coup government. So this is the 775 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: thing that happens periodically in Bolivia. This is like, this 776 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: is how the social movements took power in the first place. 777 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: Is that they, you know, Blivia because of the way 778 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: the terrain works, very very mountainous country, very narrow roads, 779 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: not many roads into a place. You could just block 780 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: all of the roads that go into the capitol, and 781 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: you can you can shut down the entire country's economy 782 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: by just doing these roadblocks. They very nearly this is 783 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: actually like again the origin of the NIS is that 784 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 1: they very nearly like completely destroyed the believing government with 785 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: this in two thousand and six, and then Evo pulled 786 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 1: his people off the barricades and was like, no, we're 787 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: gonna do an election, and he easily wins the election 788 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: because he's you know, he's doing the things we've been 789 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,240 Speaker 1: talking about this whole episode, which is harnessing the power 790 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: of the social movements in order to get elected. And 791 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 1: it works, like he becomes president, but and she doesn't. 792 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,479 Speaker 1: You know, in twenty twenty one, it happens again, and 793 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: these groups are getting very close. They've they've they've done 794 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: enough damage that they forced the coup government to like 795 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: actually have elections, which they didn't want to have. But 796 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: they're on the verge of like actually knocking the government 797 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: out of power. And Evo once again pulls all of 798 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: his people off the barricades because he doesn't want the 799 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 1: barricades to like disrupt his chance of winning the election. 800 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: And so instead of like bringing down this government and 801 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: like ushering in like sweeping like leffering reforms whatever on 802 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: like the back of a revolutionary seizure of power, we 803 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: have the mas split between two dipshits, and yeah, these 804 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 1: are these are very very serious about taking power You 805 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: can tell this because they've split the party over personal bullshit. 806 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 2: Yeah every time, right, Like leaderism is the curse of 807 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 2: the left, and it Yeah, it stops us doing things 808 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 2: because it's always just dude to chest something at each other. Yeah. 809 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 1: And and this is the second part about it, is 810 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: that this is this is a product of leaving the streets. 811 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: And we're going to close on Chile. We did a 812 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,439 Speaker 1: very optimistic episode in the protests in Chile a couple 813 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: of years ago because it looked like they were actually winning. 814 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: That's not true anymore. After the whole Okay, so Chile 815 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: and twenty nineteen has these massive, massive treat protests. They 816 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: successfully forced the government to call a constitutional convention to 817 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: like replace their Pinochet constitution. But that got everyone off 818 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: the streets. And because it got everyone off the streets, 819 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: both successive attempts to have a constitution have failed. It's 820 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: deeply unclear what the fox had happened with the constitution. 821 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 1: It's possible they're gonna end up with a constitution that 822 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,760 Speaker 1: is even more right wing than the current one because 823 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: they've blown literally their momentive opportunity by pulling it went 824 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: out of the streets and now the rights resurgence. It's 825 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: a complete fiasco. Yeah, the repression of visions people has 826 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: continued undebated under the new quote unquote leftling government. So yeah, 827 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: it's it's a complete fiasco. And that that is today's lesson, 828 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: which is if anyone when when when people tell you 829 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 1: that they are the ones who are serious about taking 830 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: a wielding power and they want you to go vote 831 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,760 Speaker 1: for them. We have they have failed everywhere for a decade. 832 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,879 Speaker 1: Do not let them do this to you again. Don't 833 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 1: leave the streets. Yeah, Instead, don't leave the streets. Don't 834 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: give someone else fucking power, take it for yourself. That's that's, that's, 835 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: that's all I've got. 836 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good place to end, I think. 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