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Speaker 1: Oh Joe, I'm I'm a guy. I'm a very realistic guy.

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Speaker 1: Look I didn't like playing in the rain. But now

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Speaker 1: we don't use rain and excuse because everybody, everybody is

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Speaker 1: always practiced in the rain. And guess what they're gonna

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Speaker 1: send checks. You're gonna go get that check on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: and O Joe, come rain come correct. Before they started

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Speaker 1: I need to getting a direct deposit, Oh Joe, I

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Speaker 1: ain't had no direct deposit. I ain't had no direct

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Speaker 1: get direct deposit I had. Oh yeah, I had to go

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Speaker 3: Nah, it's too much. That's too much, man.

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Speaker 1: I mean one jab I had. I had deferred a

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Speaker 1: my one money one time, Oh Joe, I had like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can you go cash that when you get it.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna have to that game. If I got

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Speaker 1: You can't make the club in the tub. And if

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Speaker 1: Oh no, all that stuff they do it. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: ain't no, ain't no p going on. Ain't no ping, No, no,

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Speaker 1: You have that with ooe. You're gonna keep that remedy

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Speaker 3: That d M s O. Well, how you're not smelllling

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Speaker 3: like goddamn. Yeah, y'all don't play with that d MS.

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Speaker 1: if you probably know jumping, but jumping, man, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what this joker sprained his ankle and his that

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Speaker 1: it from home because he gulla. I'm talking about he Geeche.

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Speaker 1: But oh, Joe, me and Burns, we watch him. He

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Speaker 3: Boy? What do he had in now?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but he was able

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Speaker 1: I know I'm country, I'm like, I'm Corn Cobb in

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Speaker 1: saying something damn man jumping man. But he was hey man,

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Speaker 1: he was a great dude. I love lady jumping. So

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Speaker 1: what what are some of your draft uh uh Draft

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Speaker 3: I really can't remember much, it was so long ago.

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Speaker 3: I do remember that I did run in some bright

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Speaker 3: I ran a four or five of the combine for

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Speaker 3: I was nervous. I was nervous, for one, obviously having

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Speaker 3: like you really, Finniah get drafted. I don't know where

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Speaker 3: So it's a little nervousness in me. And I didn't

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Speaker 1: That's incredible. There used to be a show, come on,

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Speaker 1: I think it was ABC. It was called That's Incredible.

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Speaker 3: Right, but you forgot remember remember I raced You didn't

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Speaker 3: that's not what I do. Because it was in an

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Speaker 1: Okay, then so all that other stiles thrown women. You

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Speaker 3: I wonder I went to Division one four months I

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Speaker 1: It wasn't Lucasaw. It was the r C A Dome,

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Speaker 3: Right, Hey y'all, man, y'all just they getting on you

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Speaker 1: Chill, chill, chill, Indy chill. It used to be the

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Speaker 3: Everybody used to complain about the surface being spongy, being spongy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: If he had a bed sheet over your bed. That's

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Speaker 3: It's all about controlling the speed and understanding leveraging man

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Speaker 3: Hey, I can talk. I can talk about that all day, man,

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Speaker 1: We ain't pulled it up. Christian Coe. What what did

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Speaker 3: Nine Listen, I know I beat that Horton and I

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Speaker 3: you got a head start. Well, hell, he got one

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Speaker 3: You only get hey, but that fast Yeah, he got

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Speaker 1: So he still got you by you.

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Speaker 3: You caught that fast man. You know what?

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Speaker 1: O Joe? Uh my draft? Look, I had uh, I

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Speaker 1: had some Pegasus Nike Pegasus. I read by forty nakey Pegasus.

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Speaker 3: wasn't he? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Man, I, Bro, I ain't know nothing about that.

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Speaker 1: I ain't have no money shoes.

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Speaker 3: You ain't have no waffle shoes.

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Speaker 1: No, bro, I, oh Joe, I ain't no nothing about that, Bro.

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Speaker 1: I ain't go all I did. All I did. I

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Speaker 1: no shuttle drills. I ain't doing no vertical. I ain't

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Speaker 3: What I just?

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Speaker 1: I think I ran like a four six six and

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's fast now. All I know that's moving now.

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Speaker 1: All I know is that when we went to I

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Speaker 1: went to the Blue Gray Game, which was on Christmas Day.

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Speaker 1: I just remember calling my brother and they had, you

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Speaker 1: know a lot. I said, I ain't no receiver here

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Speaker 1: better than me. You see better than me? That's what

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Speaker 1: you told him not to say. Ain't nothing better than me?

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Speaker 1: None of them? None, none, none, zero zelt We went

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Speaker 1: one on one. We had the one on one drill everybody.

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Speaker 3: Everybody cooked them. He speaking of I went to the

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Speaker 3: always be one of my favorite players, always one of

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Speaker 3: my favorite player from Mississippi State. That God damn Fred

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Speaker 3: smooth Okay, that God damn Fred smooth Man. One of

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: I don't get to see him as often as I like,

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Speaker 3: but Man, every time I saw Fred Man, it was

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Speaker 3: always love. When we played, when we played Minnesota, when

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Speaker 1: You know what they gave you, Man?

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Speaker 3: Check this out?

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Speaker 1: O Yoe, Yes, sir, you out of a one hundred,

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Speaker 3: Was out of one hundred, yeah you yeah, probably sixty eight.

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Speaker 1: I got an f I got a thirty seven real

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Speaker 1: They gave me ten out of one hundred quickness. They

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Speaker 1: gave me thirty six out of one hundred overallready?

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Speaker 3: What's your overall? What would they give you?

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Speaker 1: My overall was thirty seven? You see, hey, Jordan, tell

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Speaker 3: He can he can ask fine, mine.

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Speaker 1: Hey, look at this, y'all. Look at what your boy, nigga?

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Speaker 1: What they gave you, boy?

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Speaker 3: It's hell? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Fine, Oh Joes, we're gonna find hey. Now think about that.

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Speaker 1: You see now see they based everything.

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Speaker 3: Run jump.

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Speaker 1: All I know is that I got I'm number two,

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Speaker 1: sixty seven. I can run upstanding right quick and get

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Speaker 1: that gold jacket. I'm to sixty seven and the Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame. Now, let me tell you who's

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Speaker 1: in my draft classmit Hall of Fame, cort As Kennedy,

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Real deal.

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Speaker 1: When you say out, hall of Fame, myself, Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Randall, Hall of Fame, greatness, Johnny Randa was undrafted,

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Speaker 1: he was, yes, Oh Joe, why you over that, kidd?

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Speaker 1: That's what you got?

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Speaker 3: F two?

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Speaker 1: You got a thirty seven? Thirty? What you got a

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Speaker 1: thirty eight?

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Speaker 3: Hey? But hey, at least I got I got one

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Speaker 3: high than you and that hey, listen, hold on, Hey,

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Speaker 3: that F that F on their stand for fabulous, because

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Speaker 3: that's what JI turned out. Fabulous.

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Speaker 1: They got they got, They got you uh at forty

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Speaker 1: they got you a four to six uh steady loans up.

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Speaker 1: They got you one hundred and twenty inches.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's good.

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Speaker 1: Uh no, that's ten feet, man, I don't know, uh size.

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Speaker 1: They gave you a forty six out of one hundred. Speed,

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Speaker 1: they gave you forty one out of one hundred. Agility,

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Speaker 1: they gave you forty three out of one hundred and sixty.

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Speaker 1: They gave you fifty out of one hundred.

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Speaker 3: Now that's how you know they don't know what the

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Speaker 3: hell they talk about agility, agility.

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Speaker 1: The one, Oh Joe, we were some small bad Oh Joe,

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Speaker 1: you know what we aboub Go ahead, chalk it up.

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Speaker 1: We were forty because.

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Speaker 3: Hey, give me the name of the person who motherfucking

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Speaker 1: Man, Hey, don't go back and run it, because you're

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Speaker 3: Oh I could I could, Oh well, no, no, no, listen,

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Speaker 3: I've been training for boxing the soccer right now, so

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Speaker 3: I could run. I could run by the four six

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Speaker 3: right now? Still who the fastest?

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Speaker 1: Who had the fastest forty time as a boxer, because

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Speaker 1: it don't matter because you can't run fast in that square? Man,

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Speaker 1: they got me?

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Speaker 3: How the hell bad? Look here?

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Speaker 1: Oh Joe was just ban to be How the hell

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Speaker 3: Hey? That kind of hurt. That kind of hurt a

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Speaker 3: little bit, that kind of because that's that's how they

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Speaker 3: an F. I ain't seen F in a long time. Damn,

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Speaker 3: you shouldn't have showed me that. Yeah, they might the

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Speaker 3: F stand for fantastic or fascist.

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Speaker 1: Man, they got h plump failure. Man, were go get

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Speaker 3: This is the problem. The people that they have in

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Speaker 3: That's why they need they That's why they need my eyes.

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Speaker 3: They need my eyes at the combine.

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Speaker 1: What the col him and said Hayes. McLendon donated ten dollars.

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Speaker 1: I want to give you, oh your munch bank for

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Speaker 1: putting in work. My question for both of you is

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Speaker 1: come to Blair. I am is Albert Lewis long six ' two,

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Speaker 1: Came from gramblin State, Feathery. He constantly gave me a

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Speaker 1: if I could beat him, I could beat anybody. And

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Speaker 1: so he had the most impact. That says, okay, in

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Speaker 1: order for you to be what you think you can be,

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Speaker 1: you have to consistently beat him. And I knew I

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Speaker 1: Raiders signed him. He was the number one. He was

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Speaker 1: the number one free agent. Because I was cooking the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't have had nothing. Nobody could do anything with me.

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Speaker 1: T Matt Edie ANDAs none of them of Washington, none

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Speaker 1: of them, you couldn't see me.

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Speaker 3: I cooked them off.

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Speaker 1: So they went and got average. He slowed me down,

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Speaker 1: but he ain't stopped me. He slowed me down, but

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Speaker 1: he ain't stoping me, which Michael asked better. Safety Steve

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Speaker 1: at Water, Troy Polamolo Ronnie Lott, They're all different, different

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Speaker 1: because you do realize Ronnie came in as a corner.

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Speaker 1: Ronnie was an All Pro at corner YEA.

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Speaker 3: So people don't realize that he moved the safety he was.

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Speaker 1: They were, they were, they were different.

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Speaker 3: At Water was a true strong safety like Brian Dawkins, like.

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Speaker 1: Be Dog and although Troy they did. Troy was so

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Speaker 1: bro Why I mean he I was. My last year

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Speaker 1: was his rookie year because he had ED, if I'm

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Speaker 1: not mistaken, came out the same year, No Ed ED.

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Speaker 1: No ED came out My last year. Troy came out

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Speaker 1: with Detroit. Did they both come out in three? I

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Speaker 1: think I played against Ed one year. I think I

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Speaker 1: played against Troy one year.

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Speaker 3: Two.

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Speaker 1: It might have been did one come out No? Two

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Speaker 1: and one other came out No?

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Speaker 1: Both came out No. Three, Troy came out No. Three,

438
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 1: ED came out and what two? I think A came

439
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:51,480
Speaker 1: out No.

440
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 3: Two?

441
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 1: Because Ed I didn't play with Ed.

442
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 3: I left.

443
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 1: I left Baltimore after the old one season, right and

444
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 1: I think, I think, so what year the air come out?

445
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 3: O two? Came out?

446
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 1: No.

447
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 3: Two.

448
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,120
Speaker 1: But for me, the best safety that I ever broke down,

449
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 1: that I ever played against, that I ever saw with

450
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 1: Ed Reed for.

451
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 3: Me, for me was Ed and Ed and Troy, Ed

452
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 3: and Troy unbelievable. And the fact of the matter was,

453
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 3: they did things I call it exotic coverages. They did

454
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 3: things that were very confusing that no other team could

455
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 3: do because of the way the defense was constructed. There

456
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 3: was no weakness. There was no weakness in the secondary,

457
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,479
Speaker 3: there was no weakness at the front line, and they

458
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 3: did some of the craziest stuff. Just like you mentioned, Troy,

459
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 3: we don't know what the damn coverage is because everybody

460
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 3: the goddamn line of scrimmage, everybody, as soon as the

461
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 3: ball snapped, everybody run into where they supposed to be,

462
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 3: and you got to hold the ball because you don't

463
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 3: know what's going on. And previously, somebody asked a question

464
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 3: about what dB gave the most fits, and for me,

465
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 3: it really wasn't a dB in itself, outside outside of

466
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 3: what Reeves did. Early in my career, the good, the

467
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 3: good battles where I had to. I had to. I

468
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 3: had to, you know, time and shoes tight I Taylor,

469
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 3: Lee Boden, who else? Man? Who else? Listen Chris mccallison,

470
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 3: like you got you gotta be on you gotta be

471
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 3: you gotta be on your a game. I had to

472
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 3: be on a game every time. I mean, though, those

473
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 3: those are something that I can remember. Those battles were

474
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 3: really really good. They were really really good with them.

475
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 3: It was it was back and forth, back and forth.

476
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Speaker 1: And the thing for me oho is that when we

477
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: played physical corners, was not getting to a physical battle

478
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: with them because every time, right but see me, I

479
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna lose it. But then I get I forget

480
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: trying to go I supposed to be trying to catch

481
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: a past instead of just beat the hell up out

482
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: of the d beat And a lot of times, like

483
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: we played James Hasty and Hasty, I know you're gonna

484
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,959
Speaker 1: see this him, bro, I just be like I mean,

485
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: sometimes I would just go out there like, hey, I

486
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: don't even want to catch your past. I just want

487
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 1: to go out there and fight it. I just want

488
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 1: to go out there and try to run slap over

489
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: the top of it. I don't want to throw throw me. No,

490
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: don't even throw the ball. Well, don't even look at me,

491
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: because I ain't even looking to get over. I'm just

492
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: looking to run right over. I'm just gonna run and

493
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,719
Speaker 1: when he don't move, I'm gonna put my helmet right

494
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 1: up on his chin.

495
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 3: Oh, James DC.

496
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Speaker 1: Even though we homeboys, it was just something about like, Okay,

497
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: I know he was gonna be dirty with me, and

498
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be dirty with him. But Bro, Kansas

499
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: City is just like Bro you at Kansas City. So

500
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: I know we homeboys, I'm gonna throw that is shot

501
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: the window for the day. But the day, I ain't

502
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: gonna cut you. I ain't gonna cheap shot you. But

503
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get this work though. And if

504
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 1: I get a chance to crack back, I'm gonna try

505
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: to deplete you.

506
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 3: Get him out of that.

507
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 1: I gotta get oh, I gotta get it. But they

508
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: were so different. Troy probably was the most athletic. Yeah,

509
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: Ronnie probably had the most impact. Uh. But See, the

510
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: thing is is that when they played back then, Ronnie

511
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: would have been so bended. Man, you can't hear people

512
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: like running was hitting people like ed.

513
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 3: Man, they would have been out out the league suspended.

514
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: You see Kareem Jackson. You see how Kareem Jackson is

515
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: about to miss six games running? Yes, oh you want

516
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: to let's talk about Oh Joe. They suspended him for

517
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: hitting Joshua Dobbs. It was a thirty one and they

518
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: ran a quarterback power. Kareem Jackson comes and he'll send

519
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: me in his chance with his helpt. So, oh Joe,

520
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: you're not afforded the same protection as a runner, as

521
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: a receiver, as a quarterback in the pocket.

522
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: He is a runner. It's thirty one. You no longer

523
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: get those protections. So what do you do? What do

524
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 3: you do?

525
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: On thirty one? I'm not gonna let you fall forward?

526
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm not. If I hit him in

527
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: his legs, he gonna fall for the first down. He said,

528
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit him in his mouth.

529
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 3: So as a defender, what do you do? Because they've handicapped,

530
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 3: they've handicapped and came the game h to a point

531
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 3: where it makes no sense. You just can't. You can't

532
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 3: do anything. You can't.

533
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: And my pushback is as a runner, you're not afforded

534
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: a protection as a receiver in the air or a

535
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: quarterback that's in the pocket.

536
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 3: You don't.

537
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,479
Speaker 1: You are a runner?

538
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 3: So what am I? So?

539
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: How am I supposed especially? Oh yo, we come in

540
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: this way, it's thirty one. If I tackle you at

541
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: the legs, what you're gonna do? You're gonna fall for

542
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: the first down, for the first down. I'm trying to

543
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: hit you up top to keep you. That's why, like

544
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: guys tackling the guy around the round the legs on

545
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: the one yard line, he's gonna fall in the zone

546
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: for a touchdown exactly, So I'm gonna try to keep

547
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: him getting that first down. I will hit you in

548
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: your mouth. And you're a runner, Yeah, dug the advice

549
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: I got for a quarterback. When you see a safety

550
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: like Kareem Jackson come barreling down, duck, Yeah, you don't

551
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: want to get hit slide. I don't know how to

552
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: tell you. Makes no sense, not in that situation. Not

553
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: in that situation. No, he's a runner. He's not afforded

554
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: protections of a defensives receiver. He's not afforded the protection

555
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: of a quarterback that's in the pocket. He's running the football.

556
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: He's a running back. You would have never The question is,

557
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: would you ever call that play if it was a

558
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: running back? No, because that's what Joshua Dobbs is. The

559
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: moment that he have he has is like a power

560
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: quarterback power and he tucks that ball in his arm.

561
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 3: He's a runner. He's a runner. He's a runners and

562
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 3: me too.

563
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm a runner too, and I'm trying to run through

564
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: his ass, Paul. But I've tried to hit it, That's

565
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: what I el he coming. I've tried to hit him,

566
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: Dan his mouth. You're not gonna get this first down.

567
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: It's gonna be four down, y'all gotta go for it

568
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: on fourth. But I'm gonna hit you and you I'm

569
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: gonna hit you, Daniel chest as hard as I can

570
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: because my thig is suspended too, O Joe, Because what

571
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: you're telling me, if your quarterback, if you're a coach,

572
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: don't care anymore than to have you run it.

573
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: If he not protecting you, wat should I should? I?

574
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 3: What did Tom Brady say?

575
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: It's not the defensive player job to protect the offensive

576
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: players players? Yeah?

577
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: So I think of you. What the NFL is doing

578
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 3: is the NFL is now putting the defensive players in

579
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 3: harm way, because now you're gonna start trying to tackle

580
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: in a way that you can tackle, a way that

581
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: you haven't been able to play all your life, and

582
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 3: start trying to do something you're not supposed to do,

583
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: and you can hurt yourself.

584
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: And you remember Ojo when they started about the heads

585
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: and guys started hitting guys in the knees and turning.

586
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: The NC ten the xcls. You can't win. You can't

587
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: win for losing. You can't you can't can't win for losing.

588
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: Now you know, there a lot of bets going on. Man,

589
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: that doesn't have been best between teammates. I mean not teammates,

590
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: but hell I a teammates free.

591
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but nobody knows, nobody, nobody.

592
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: Know, nobody knew. Hell I bet Alfa Williams twenty five thousand.

593
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: But I would have more touchdown that he had sacks.

594
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 3: God leave man.

595
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: Guess what I broke. I broke my collar ball week four.

596
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: He broke he toys achilles week five. So we settled.

597
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: I went to he wanted twelve ove, so I said

598
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: we could settle. He had one sack, I had no touches,

599
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: so we settled, had to pay. He said, I'll tell

600
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: you what he said. I want twelve thousand, five hundred dollars.

601
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: Guess what this joker wanted.

602
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: What do you want it? Don't say food, Susan B.

603
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: Anthony.

604
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: Dollars, Susan B. Anthony.

605
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wanted those quarter dollars. So I had to

606
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: go to the bank and get because he wanted to

607
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: inconvenience me. He wanted my pride. Oh, order into the bank.

608
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: Could I get twelve thousand, five hundred dollars? And Susan B. Anthony,

609
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: do your hard know how hard it is to get

610
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: those damn things?

611
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: So he made it difficult. Yes, and they was heavy

612
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: as heir, Hey, let's go. I like the bet though,

613
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: I like.

614
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: Because that's the way we betted, so like we bet

615
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: in the locker room. I didn't want your money, I

616
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: want your pride. Yeah, I want five hundred dollars nickels.

617
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: Man sew come home, man, I want you to take

618
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: your ass to the bank. Ask the cashier could you

619
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: get five hundred dollars in nickels? And when she asked,

620
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: you say, mister such and such, why you need five

621
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: hundred dollars on nickels. I want you to tell them

622
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: I lost the bet to eighty four. I'll get Buffalo nickas.

623
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: I get one hundred dollars in Buffalo nickels, I get

624
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty dollars in dimes. That's what I wanted.

625
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: I wanted. I wanted what is it, Canada half dollars

626
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: we call them Kenada fifty cent pee. Yeah, I wanted dose, yes,

627
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: silver dollars. Yes, I want your pride, oh to everybody

628
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: making money.

629
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: So what is it for me? O?

630
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: Can you lose a thousand dollars? You're gonna bring me

631
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars cash. No, I don't want a thousand

632
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: dollars cash. I want coins, pennies, nickels, dimes, Buffalo nickels,

633
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: Susan b Anthony quarters, Canada half dollar. Candidate fifty said

634
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: what we call him in the South, God, oh Joe.

635
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: You know we gambled everything. We had a little poppet

636
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: shot basketball thing in the locker room. So we we

637
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: betting per dim. Hey bet everybody got there, per diem lined.

638
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: Up the road for Dim.

639
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we bet role for Dim man. Look me

640
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: and we're getting ready to go to practice being ma

641
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: home being my homeboy Burns. He's like, we got so

642
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, we've been there for a week. So I

643
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: went upstairs, got my check, got his. I said, because

644
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: we like to bet, don't even look at it. Put

645
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: it down. Okay, fine, bet, but what it is? So

646
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: I put my check down. He put his down. We shoot,

647
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: we gotta go to practice. We come back. Come on,

648
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: let's get the ball first. Hey, hold up me and

649
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: burn shooting this? He shoot, he missed.

650
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: I make it.

651
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: So at that point in time, you get to open

652
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: the check and see what it is. Right, So he

653
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: opened my check. I opened his. Here was like fourteen

654
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: hundred dollars, right, Mine was like seventy thousand. He said,

655
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: home boy, you'd have been throwing up. I said, oh,

656
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: hell yeah, I say, but that's but that's the chance

657
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: that you make. You don't look at the check.

658
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: You just bet. Yeah.

659
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm cool with that.

660
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: I'll bet it.

661
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: Oh we bet everything, Oh we bet everything? Oh bou

662
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: ray in between you have played in between?

663
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: Na, what's that in between between the two?

664
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: You take two decks of cards. I flipped one. I

665
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: flipped both cards up. It might be an ace, it

666
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: might be a five. You gonna say he in between.

667
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: If it comes in between the ace and the five,

668
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: you win. If you get hit on the edges, you

669
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: get up. You have to pay double. So if it's

670
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: an ACE or a five, you pay double. Man laid

671
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: on the way to super Bowl after guys, what probably

672
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: got in life? Fifty grand?

673
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: Fifty thousand?

674
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, we took super Bowl? I took. Oh, hey, Peter,

675
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I gotta give up this information.

676
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: Oh but we took. We took.

677
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: Ay, we took for super Bowl tickets off Willigree fourth

678
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: super Bowl tickets and ten grand.

679
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: Oh.

680
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: Look, I was very generous.

681
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: I know he was hot.

682
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: Oh, Joe, I want to do old school car seventy

683
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: one veil? Yeah, I said, Man, give me five grand.

684
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: I can't, I say, cause you go home and tell

685
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: your wife you lost this car. It's gonna be problems

686
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: in your snap. Yeah, give me five grand. We'll call

687
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: it either. And Mike used to tell him saying, look,

688
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: y'all gambling with eighty four. Do y'all know how long

689
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: eighty four have been playing?

690
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 3: Right?

691
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: Eighty four? Okay, I don't really like you guys gambling,

692
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: because I don't want you faking about your lost twenty

693
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: thousand and thirty thousand during the game. But if I

694
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: rock with you, if I want to big some of

695
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: money off y'all, like, bro, go hey, just give me,

696
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: give me five grand. We'll call it either. But I

697
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: wanted nice black chrome rems just got it. It probably

698
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: worked a bout twenty twenty five. I said, Man, give

699
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: me five grand, you.

700
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: Cool boy. Hey, for y'all listen, I'll wat gamble. Whenever

701
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: the gambling went on locker room training camp. We don't

702
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: break man. I'm man. You know I ain't around none

703
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: of that. Bro, I ain't spending money.

704
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: Came about Oh Joe, you gonna ask anybody that played

705
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: in Denver from nineteen from nineteen ninety five ninety six,

706
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: all the way they closed it down when I left,

707
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: when I came back, it came from there. That's what

708
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: we gamble. We played cars, we wrote roll dice, that

709
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: play video game. We drank smoke all that within club.

710
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: That's how it came to be.

711
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: Man, I don't see. I don't see how y'all do that. Man,

712
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 3: And people in the chat that gamble, people just in general,

713
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: like even when y'all was playing, even former teammates of mind,

714
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 3: they was there. There's such an excitement and passion and

715
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: joy in people's faces when they gamble here from and

716
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 3: me being from Miami, watching people gamble, playing spades, playing

717
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: playing tunk, playing get like me with the quarters that

718
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: it was in high school, watching watching the dope boys

719
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: play Sea low excuse me, I hate I hate to

720
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 3: say that word, but watching the boys say se like,

721
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 3: what are we doing? I'm not doing nothing or losing

722
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: my money to anything where I can't control it. Like

723
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 3: if I'm losing money, I want to be in control

724
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 3: of it. I don't want any outside variations of what

725
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 3: I'm doing. It caused me to lose my money. I can't,

726
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: I can't do it. And then I remember going to

727
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 3: the casino with Rail and I'm talking to the man.

728
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 3: I'm saying, sir, are y'all gonna stop the man from

729
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: continuing to gamble that much money at the high roller table?

730
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: Why are you allowing him to do this? That's what

731
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: we do here?

732
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: Ye oh no, I gotta have we gambling.

733
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: Why why do you think we don't have no windows?

734
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: What the you means? What the windows have to do anything?

735
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: And the clocks on the wall because they want you

736
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: to lose track of time, and they pumping in fresh oxygen.

737
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: Listen. I learned all this just not too long ago

738
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: with that when I was in Vegas for F one.

739
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, man, y'all, oh yo, we gamble, yeah,

740
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: every night, every There was not one night in Denver

741
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: when I was in training camp that we didn't gamble.

742
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, we was going to bed, like we gotta

743
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: be like, we got practice at nine, right, we ain't

744
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: going to bed till like two o'clock, three o'clock in

745
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: the morning, and.

746
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 3: Y'all going to practice on four five hours of sleep.

747
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the last night we stay up the whole

748
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: night like our crew that normally, Oh, we gotta you

749
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: gotta step up the whole night. Oh oh we had

750
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: a black Hey, we had a blast. Oh. And the

751
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: last and the last night the rookiets. Yeah, got to

752
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: give them o joke.

753
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 3: You got you got them? Yeah, I remember, man.

754
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: Look here we go to the store. We get like

755
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: twenty five pounds of flour. We get like eight nine

756
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: ten bottles of syrup. We cut the pillows open, right,

757
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: we got the tar and feather, oh.

758
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 3: Not the tar feather, Yeah, extinguish. Oh you know how

759
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 3: hard you not hard that is to get off?

760
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: I do know? Oh no, think about how many guys

761
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: came with Ben with Ben with pillow feathers in their

762
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: head and only stuck on their back and on the neck.

763
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: Hey cause you know I was cool. Hey, you know, hey,

764
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: I get the key, I get the master key in

765
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: their sleep fire, extinguish him down, booking up out of there. Oh,

766
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: we did some damage, but you know what Mike said, Hey, hey,

767
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: I don't normally do this, but I know, you know,

768
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: probably eighty four had something to do with it, and

769
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: this team or some stuff popped off. They already know

770
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: fright now, team building, we got this cover. Oh we

771
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: are That dorm was a mess, Yes, yes, because he

772
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: got to get them, O Joe, it's a part of it.

773
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: Welcome to the ron Cos.

774
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, most definitely, most definitely.

775
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: That's what I missed, O Joe. See, that's what I missed,

776
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: the fun, that's what I missed. The talent show, Like

777
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: we did y'all have a talent show, Like the rookies

778
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: had to put on the talent show.

779
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: No, but hey, listen that that hard knock y'all had, Yeah,

780
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 3: we did ours that talent show. Boy, when when Buddy

781
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: did ray Lewis and Buddy did and uh, Buddy did you.

782
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: I was in tears. I'm talking about in tears crying.

783
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: That was good that we have.

784
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: We had a talent show, we have a tailor show

785
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: in uh in Denver. But I you know, like I said,

786
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: I I ain't really know, like I said, I mean,

787
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: when I was in college, we didn't really do the

788
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: stuff like like like rookie stuff hazing. They ain't cutting

789
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: nobody hair and stuff like that. I mean, I'm trying

790
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: to think what we did to.

791
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: The rookies.

792
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: Because they got me. I mean, it was it was

793
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: all all fun. Like I said, I didn't want to

794
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: let nobody cut my hair, you know what I'm saying.

795
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: And I ain't. We wasn't doing anything to the mean

796
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: anybody we want to go cut your hairs and mooies

797
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: just like that. Well, I'm sure there was some things

798
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: that we did, but that was all a part of it.

799
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: That's what I missed. That's what I missed. If they

800
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: could just let me and I was like Mike, if

801
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: I could just go back, I didn't want to do

802
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: meetings no more. That's what really got me out of

803
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: the League, the meetings, I said, Mike, just let me practice,

804
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: let me show up to practice. Let me playing the games.

805
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: Your boy, good boy good, I said, But uh, oh, Joe,

806
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: dover the days, bro. I wish I could get those back.

807
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: I wish I could do that. Obviously I couldn't play anymore.

808
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: But I just want to go hang around the just

809
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: go hack. Not now I'm gonna slept my guys. What

810
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: I was like after I left, like three or four years.

811
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: I just wanted to go back because a lot of

812
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: the guys that I played with was still playing. Man,

813
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: I said, Man, I wish I could just go back there.

814
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: They're like sharp, Man, it ain't the same without you

815
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: because you, oh Joe, you know I can't it live now?

816
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, m oh yeah.

817
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: Everybody wanted to get on bus too, cause they you know,

818
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: the coach is everybody. You know, the owner was on.

819
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: But everybody, Hey, charn what bus you're getting on cause

820
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna keep it crunk. We bagging on somebody.

821
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: Somebody woret some bullde eye to day.

822
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: Oh you are you? Oh, y'all get on the down fence.

823
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: What I got on the dude so bad. I made

824
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: him took as I fit off on the plane. Got

825
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: fired because Mike say, I told you got to work,

826
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: made him take it to come up at it.

827
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 3: It was that bad.

828
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: Made him come up at.

829
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 3: It with shoot. But today today's NFL players boys, they

830
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 3: fashion show. Yes, boy, it is a fashion show.

831
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: I made him come up by I made him come up.

832
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: Oh they hey Sean, may you see what such a

833
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: sean come look? With such and such got on. I

834
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: got to get him. I got to get him. The

835
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: only person that you could not get upset about their

836
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: dress was.

837
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 3: Easy here and McCaffrey.

838
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: A McCaffrey that Joe coming out there looking like a

839
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: four X camper. He gonna have on khaki pants and

840
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: a blue blazer that he got folded up that he's

841
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: taking out his duffel bag.

842
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: Right that every that what he did, it got on

843
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 3: every time, and some and some and some.

844
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: Doc Martin ed, don't care, don't care nothing, So we

845
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: didn't even bother it. Had that got your poor ass

846
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: like what ragular you don't care? We didn't. We didn't

847
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: give people to actually care that if we rag on them.

848
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I make hey me at the back of

849
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: that plane. Yeah, make them come flam up out of it,

850
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: ojo back of the.

851
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 3: Plane with where's that? I remember that. I remember. I

852
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 3: remember going to the airport and everybody got to meet

853
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: at the stadium before you had to get on the bus.

854
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: Remember everybody used to bring pope ass.

855
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was the rookie had to break. Rookie

856
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: had to bring That's right, the rookie, the rookie.

857
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: The rookies had to bring popeys. You know, I you

858
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: know I came with my own. I came on my own.

859
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: Man them joking jokes. Have you go get man, they

860
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: go get ribbed, Make you go get ribs. Man, you

861
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: gotta go get friede Big Cad Washington was what's on

862
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: my team for year. Man Tad had them rookies go

863
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: and get popeyes, mac and cheese, fried catfish right the

864
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: cup on.

865
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: Dude, I remember them days.

866
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but see this before your time. See we used

867
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: to could drive right up, park our cars and get

868
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: right on the plane. Ain't back up out we take Yeah.

869
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: We never we didn't have to go like my first

870
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: my first four or five years, we didn't have to

871
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: go to that port, go to a private hangar. Right

872
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: park your car, walk right up get right on the plane.

873
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: Hey, ain't never heard of that, bro, Yeah, that's new man.

874
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: Oh oh that was that was lovely, lovely. And then

875
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: you know you had to start, you know, had to

876
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: start getting there on time, because Mike, we're gonna leave you. Mike,

877
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna leave you. If you wasn't number seven, number thirty,

878
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: number eighty four, maybe a few others because Mike, DA's

879
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: what such and such like, Oh, we hold a plane,

880
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: we got we can, there's a charge of flight.

881
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: We leave.

882
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: We want to nobody else, anybody else. But I wasn't

883
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: gonna be late. Already already understood because I know, guys looking,

884
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be late. It's addict just donated twenty dollars.

885
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: Ask us to recall the hardest hit we've ever taken.

886
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: Artist, Oh, I know mine is who caught you?

887
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: I got?

888
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: I know? I bet I bet you. I bet you

889
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,959
Speaker 3: got caught on the slant too, either scene.

890
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: I got caught on the over ride. I got two

891
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: two rested soul Orlando Thomas, I ran a far across. Yeah,

892
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: and check this out. What made it so bad?

893
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: He picked it?

894
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: So I'm going I'm looking for the ball like this

895
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: he jumps up need catching me in the chin before

896
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: I even hit the dirt.

897
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: Who wait our cold out out? Oh you w t

898
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: out picked it?

899
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: But you know but you know back then, oh your hey,

900
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: come to the sideline. Hey, smelling salt, A little smelling salt?

901
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: Little? You know?

902
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: Hey, how many fingers I got up? You know they

903
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: ain't doing it? One or two?

904
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: You got a chance?

905
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: Oh two? Okay, you're good, go back in there. And

906
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: then and I got hit by the raiders. I forget

907
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: the linebacker's name. We were in a we were in

908
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: a two tight end set right, Tiger said twelve personnel.

909
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: And normally I'm playing why. Normally I play Tiger, but

910
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm playing why in this situation, Chamberlain is playing the Tiger.

911
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: They walk. They walked the back the sam backer. Anytime

912
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: they walk the Sam backer. What you're thinking, O, Joe

913
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: on another tight end, I'm thinking.

914
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: Man, man, Yeah, obviously that's the only reason he walked though.

915
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: Check this out. So he the Tiger tight end is

916
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: gonna run a go I'm gonna run a flat mm hmm.

917
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: It's cover two. Don't tell me the corner sack. The

918
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: corner is the is the sam backer?

919
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: The quarterback didn't see it, didn't see it.

920
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: He's thinking the same Oh Joe, he's thinking the same thing.

921
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: I think it. They walked the sam I'm like I could,

922
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, I see that and the O Joe, you

923
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: know I'm making I said, ooh ooh. That mean the

924
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: mic gotta cover me. I'll go, I will cat, I

925
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: will catch flat rock. I'm gonna turn this thing up.

926
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 3: Ye peel.

927
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know you run you pump that head on.

928
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: Yeah bad, o Joe, I did this right here. Yeah,

929
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: oh Joe. He hit me so hard he knocked my

930
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: helmet off. Bab Wait, he didn't knock you out though.

931
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: You got up.

932
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: I got up.

933
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: I got up.

934
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: I don't know how I got a couple of it.

935
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: I got hit a dude, Oh ja, don't talk some licks.

936
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: I took one. I caught a shallow cross.

937
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 3: O Joe.

938
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: Got a block and turned up. And by that time

939
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: I had practiced my eye socket at the end of

940
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: ninety five, so I was wearing a shield.

941
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: O Jo, I caught it.

942
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: I turned up. I didn't see dude. The safety cane

943
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: hit me dead on the side of my head. He said,

944
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: they say, hey, red down the way to bring the wood,

945
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking to myself the ground said, what would

946
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: he broke?

947
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 3: O Joe?

948
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: He cracked my shield like a windshield. You know how

949
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: hard he was the cracker. She got to crack you.

950
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: Up up, he cracked it. I we were playing that,

951
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: We're playing the Browns. We were playing at home. I

952
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: never forget this, and a lot of people remember this

953
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: is the era during the time where I had the

954
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: blowde mohawk. I'm man you I'm in my prime now.

955
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: I never forget two by two by two by two set.

956
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 3: You know, when you got two receivers on one side

957
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 3: and it's third down. Slant's coming. Oh yeah, double slant.

958
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 3: Double slant's coming. Man, I run a slant Carson. I

959
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 3: don't know if the ball might have slipped out of

960
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 3: carson hand by accident, maybe a tad bit. The ball

961
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: was too high. Kareem ap, dude, your bar couldn't have

962
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 3: caught this ball. What do I do? Still jump anyway

963
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: trying to go get it. I'll never forget this, man.

964
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: Brian Russell. Brian Russell, the safety for the Browns at

965
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: the time, hit me up under my chin. My helmet

966
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: went flying one way it's blood gushion my jersey. I'm

967
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: knocked out on the field. I'm knocked out cold, like

968
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 3: knocked out cold.

969
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: I think he played for the bike, is too, Ojo

970
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: chacken see your Brian Russell played for the bike it

971
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: because I think he got me to Ojo he did?

972
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: I think he did.

973
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 3: Listen. I was knocked out. I'm talking about knocked out

974
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 3: like when you in the boxing ring and somebody knock

975
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: you by you. Yes, I was. I was sleep on

976
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: the field. Then I'm not sure what happened after that.

977
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: In two thousand in two thousand and two two he

978
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: got me too.

979
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: That was him he got.

980
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: He got an unnecessarily roughness. He talked about my bad am.

981
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: I said, what you mean, yo, bad? You dirty bofol.

982
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: Hell listen, he put his helmet right up front of

983
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: my chin. On the scene route, I.

984
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 3: Had the stitches. You can still see. You can still

985
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: see with a gas. I had a big gas. Then

986
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: after the game, the immediate wanted to interview me. I'm

987
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: still concussed. Like if I'm sure when they edit this

988
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: and we talk about this, you can see me after

989
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 3: the game. I'm still concussed. All I want to know

990
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: is how that Lee Bonden do. Like you could tell

991
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: I'm still woozy, dude. I've never ever, ever, ever been

992
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 3: hit like that again, and that that obviously, that's the

993
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: hardest hit because I didn't see it coming. Yeah, the

994
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: stuffy Lewis, the stuff with Ray Lewis and stuff. I see.

995
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 3: I see those hits coming. So you're able to ten.

996
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: You brace a little bit, pit your body etting break

997
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: for it. That Brian Russell hit nothing like that ever before.

998
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: You and I were both on the show We start.

999
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: I was in Baltimore in two thousand and one and

1000
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: we kicked off Hard Knocks. Yeah, you were on the

1001
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: fifth and the seventh season. Yeah, talk about some of

1002
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: your experience with the cameras and having to try to

1003
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: offer the fans a glimpse in the day and the

1004
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: life of a player that's in training camp, being a

1005
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: veteran player.

1006
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 3: Listen, that was one of the best experiences to me, obviously,

1007
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: allowing people to see what it's like inside inside of

1008
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 3: training camp, seeing the way the work ethic that not

1009
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 3: just I put in, but my teammates, what goes into

1010
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 3: day to day practices, our schedules, as far as meetings,

1011
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 3: obviously the cutthrow part of the business. Obviously you know

1012
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: when it's when it's time to get cut.

1013
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: But it was fun.

1014
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: It was very fun, just just being myself, being authentic,

1015
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: being being my mygn organic self. And I I really

1016
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 3: enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. It was the birth.

1017
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: It was the birthing of child. Please one of my sayings,

1018
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: and kissed the baby and some other stuff like that.

1019
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: And it just a lot of people to see a

1020
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: different side of a different side of us outside of

1021
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 3: seeing the finished product on Sundays at one o'clock and

1022
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: what I like to call the politically the politically correct

1023
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 3: interviews that we do on Sundays after games. I think

1024
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 3: that that that's hard Knocks is really good because it

1025
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: shows a different side of all the players.

1026
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it gives you an opportunity the players getting ready,

1027
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: the meeting time, how much meeting time, the prep work,

1028
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: guys getting massages, and the guys getting into cold tub,

1029
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: and the guys doing things to get ready. Because you

1030
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: break you down, you break your body down, and then

1031
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: somehow you got to get it back together for the

1032
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: next day at practice, and and and and and the

1033
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: and the difficult side. Some of these players' dreams will

1034
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: go unrealized. You made it there, but this is as

1035
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: far as it goes. And the realization that my dream

1036
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: of being an NFL player is not going to materialize.

1037
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: And now I've got to branch back into the real

1038
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: world and get it. You had a great run. You're

1039
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: probably a pretty good high school player, good the great

1040
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: high school player, had a good had a very good

1041
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: excuse me, college career, but that next level isn't going

1042
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: to happen to you. And sometimes watching the guys because

1043
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: you get you get close to some of the guys

1044
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: that you see how hard and how much work they

1045
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: put into it, and then to realize that you know

1046
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: what it's over.

1047
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, listen, that's a that's a tough job. That's

1048
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 3: a tough, tough job to do it, especial for coaches.

1049
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 3: And when you get there, when you hear that knock

1050
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 3: on the door, you know, say bring your playbook, man,

1051
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: that's man. That has to be one of the worst feelings.

1052
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 3: And the fact that obviously hard nuts is cut it out.

1053
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 3: I think I think they cut out that part where

1054
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 3: they where they show people getting released now right, they

1055
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: no longer show that it's it's it's honest, it's it's just,

1056
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 3: it's just the truth of the business, and it's it's

1057
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: just the way it is. Obviously, my childhood dream, it

1058
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: wasn't even to be an NFL player. I wanted to

1059
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 3: be a veterinarian. I wanted to be a marine biologist

1060
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: because I love dogs and I love killer whales. But

1061
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 3: the fact that Grandma, obviously, with football being my outlet

1062
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 3: and something for me to do based on the area

1063
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: where I was in, because it's either you plan sports

1064
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 3: and there's no other route, I definitely wanted to be

1065
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 3: no academic scholar. I can be honest with you. I'm

1066
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 3: gonna be honest with you. Hey listen, but listen listen.

1067
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 3: Grandma is the reason I was able to make it man.

1068
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: And that day when I saw that name, when I

1069
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 3: saw that name go across that across that ticker ticker, Yeah,

1070
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 3: she was the first one I went to man and

1071
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: I told her, I say, Mommy, we made it man.

1072
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 3: She told me, listen, this is just the beginning of

1073
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 3: your journey, right it is, and then and then it

1074
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 3: starts all back over again. It's is an entire different

1075
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: set of goals that I had to set and conquer.

1076
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're actually absolutely right. And that's what a lot

1077
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: of times I tell the guys, I say, this is

1078
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: the end, this is the beginning. So now this is

1079
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: step one. You're here making the team. Now is it

1080
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: just good enough that you made the team? What do

1081
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: you want to be? I didn't want to be a guy,

1082
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: just the guy. I wanted to be the guy. I

1083
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: wanted to be dependent on. I wanted the guys. I

1084
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: wanted people to have my jersey. I wanted people to

1085
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: like throw the ball to shark. I wanted my team

1086
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: and say, hey, man, get up, Man, get up, Thank

1087
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: the shark, Get up, Thank the shark. That's what I

1088
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: wanted to hear. It wasn't good enough, like I'm on

1089
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: the team. Oh yeah, I played for the Broncos. What

1090
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: position do you play?

1091
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: You know?

1092
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: Do you start or what do you do? No?

1093
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: No, no, no no no.

1094
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: I needed people to know. I needed what When my

1095
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: grandmother turned the TV over, my sister would turn the

1096
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: TV onto the channel that we're going to be on

1097
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: that she knew her baby was out there. Yeah, maybe

1098
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: I saw my baby. He was he had a good game.

1099
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: So that's for me. That was my goal. That's what

1100
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: it was, not just getting to the NFL, because I'm

1101
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: always dreaming. But now that I'm here, I can't go.

1102
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 3: Back, right right, Listen. I had no choice could go

1103
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: back because, like my grandma told me, I got in

1104
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 3: trouble at Lang's University and I got thrown out of school.

1105
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 3: And I told you, I came home on the plane

1106
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 3: and she said, I washed my hands with you. I've

1107
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 3: done all I can do, and ship me to my mama.

1108
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 3: There was no coming back. So once I made it,

1109
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 3: once I got the opportunity in the NFL, there were

1110
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 3: no more doors. There were no more doors I could

1111
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 3: walk through us. I had no choice but to make

1112
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 3: it work. And of course I get drafted by the Bengals.

1113
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 3: At that time, we were the laughing stock of the NFL.

1114
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 3: And I got my homeboys in the hood. You know,

1115
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 3: we in Liberty City, we celebrating. It's like God Lee

1116
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 3: o Jo. But you went to the Bengals, they laughing.

1117
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 3: Was like, listen, give me a year or two and

1118
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 3: it won't be so funny. I said, give me a

1119
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: year or two and I will do all I can

1120
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 3: to make sure we're not the laughing stock of the league.

1121
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 3: But I will make us fun to watch it. I

1122
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: would give that city and those fans something to be

1123
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 3: proud of. I would make people happy and feel okay

1124
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 3: wearing jerseys Cincinnati jerseys outside of Cincinnati, and I think

1125
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 3: I just did that. Obviously. The end goal is to

1126
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: have a Lombardi Trophy, but that's a team, that's a

1127
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: that's a team achievement and accomplishment. I wouldn't they. I

1128
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 3: fell short of that, but everything else I lived up to.

1129
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: But going back, what was I going back to? The

1130
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: reason I thought so hard was I didn't have to

1131
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: go back, go back to visit, but I wasn't going

1132
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: back to state. There was nothing. There was nothing. There

1133
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: was no gravitational pool. And that's what I didn't understand, Ojo.

1134
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: I had guys. I had teammates in college when I

1135
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: got to Samanna State in eighty six, and I remember

1136
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: there are guys and they even I can remember guys

1137
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: that were very talented, but they're like, man, sharp, this

1138
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: ain't for me.

1139
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 3: Man. I got to get back home.

1140
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: I mean be it was a girl that I mean.

1141
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: I had a couple of teammate that had girlfriends back.

1142
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 3: Home and they were hold fit you serious time out?

1143
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: Are you serious? Yeah?

1144
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: Da dead ass. Yes, they had to go back. I

1145
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: had I had a teammate. I had a teammate that

1146
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: was so good. He uh, he went to he got

1147
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: he was, he went to the league. I ain't gonna

1148
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: call his name because I'm not gonna barrass him. But

1149
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: he wanted he wanted to come back and hang with

1150
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: his home boys. You want to come back and hang

1151
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: with his home boys, you dead ass?

1152
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 3: He was.

1153
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: He was good. He would look his feet, his feet

1154
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: was as good as any dB that I faced. I'm

1155
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,959
Speaker 1: not saying he was the best dB that I faced,

1156
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: even in the league. But his feet, the way he

1157
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: could get in and out of breaks, the way he

1158
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: could flip his hips. But he wanted to be with

1159
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: his homeboys.

1160
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 3: Help me, help me understand. I've been playing the game

1161
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 3: of football since I was four years old, having a dream,

1162
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: obviously of reaching the childhood pinnacle of my dreams of

1163
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 3: being an NFL player and getting the opportunity getting the

1164
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: opportunity to do so. And his first thought was, I

1165
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 3: want to go home and hang on my homeboys.

1166
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: But see that was your dream, I'm not so sure

1167
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: that was his dream. He happened to be good at it.

1168
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: He was good at it in high school, he was

1169
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: good at it in college. But I mean, at a

1170
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: certain point in time it comes you have to make

1171
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: up your mind how good do I want to be

1172
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: and do I want to make this a career?

1173
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 3: Right?

1174
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: Because you know, once you get that level, everybody, everybody

1175
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: was All Conference, everybody was an honorable mentioned All Americas.

1176
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: But this got a buckets. And see the thing is, oh, Chodren,

1177
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: this is what I tell people. Whenever you come to

1178
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 1: the Broncos or whatever, you came to the Ravens, whatever

1179
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: ward you want, we had to see what it deserved.

1180
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: Whether you were the Buckers, whether whether you were the

1181
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: thorpe you want to hire theman trophy you were in

1182
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: All American I needed to.

1183
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 3: See why, right right right?

1184
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: Right?

1185
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 3: Hey, that that's hard to picture, man, that's hard to picture.

1186
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 3: I'm trying to wrap my head around. Even though even

1187
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 3: if that wasn't his dream to be able to reach

1188
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 3: the pinnacle of being one of the one percent, Like,

1189
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 3: how do you say that and want to go back home?

1190
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 3: Go back home and do what?

1191
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: How many whole boys you had in high school? That

1192
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: was oh yes, we dropped out and smoke weed or

1193
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: dropped out the dope.

1194
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 3: I know, I know people, I know people gonna see this.

1195
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 3: That's from That's from Miami. I had so many people

1196
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 3: from Miami Central, from Miami Northwestern, Keeling High School. I

1197
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: can go. I can go through so many high so

1198
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: many schools where people were much better than I was.

1199
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: I was decent. I'm I'm I'm like I like to

1200
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: call it. I was a late bloomer. I was a

1201
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: late bloomer. There were some dudes that I knew were

1202
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 3: going to the NFL that were much better than me,

1203
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 3: and for whatever reason, I don't know what happened obviously,

1204
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 3: once I left the college. You know, we all lose

1205
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 3: track at some point, we do the track at each other.

1206
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 3: But dude, there are people that I looked up to

1207
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 3: in high school. To this day, I can name them off.

1208
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 3: I wanted to be like them growing up. Magic Ben Marquee, Cooper,

1209
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: Cedric Cherry, uh Snoop, Minace, uh Lynn, Coleman, sat Well,

1210
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 3: hold on, hold on, I can I can go it

1211
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 3: make I got chills, just not right now, think about

1212
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: some some of them. Dudes, man, tou tou at well.

1213
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 3: I can keep going. Man, it's so many dude. I

1214
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 3: want to be like all them boys, and I look

1215
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 3: up to them. And one of the reasons not not

1216
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 3: Cedric what's roll Damn what's his name? What's his name?

1217
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 3: From Norland? No, not smart because somebody played with me,

1218
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 3: remember Smarty with the scene, and I was a freshman

1219
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 3: at beach Hie. Okay, he played receiver at Oh my role,

1220
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: Oh my role? Play play play receiver like. I wanted

1221
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 3: to be like them. And one of the things that

1222
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 3: kept me going was watching them play when I was younger,

1223
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 3: and I just wanted to make it. I just want

1224
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 3: to be I wanted to be like Magic, you know.

1225
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 3: I wanted to be like man, Oh my goodness, Tyrone Butterfield,

1226
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: Ronald Washington, all these dudes. Like I'm like, oh my goodness,

1227
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 3: I want to be like them. And I think the

1228
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: drive and me want to be successful like them is

1229
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: what got me to the NFL. And still to this day,

1230
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 3: I ain't seen these boys and so long, but this

1231
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: is one of the few times I've been on the

1232
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 3: platform to tell them. They probably gonna see this. Man.

1233
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 3: I appreciate y'all because they is part of my motivation.

1234
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 3: I just wouldn't. I never saw them to be able

1235
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 3: to let them know.

1236
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of the best part about

1237
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: hard Knocks we get back on subject with the hard

1238
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: knocks is that yeah I had when we first no no, no,

1239
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: we good.

1240
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 3: Uh.

1241
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: That's the one thing that we do. We get to

1242
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: talk about what we want to talk about. I mean, hey,

1243
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: look people, you you're tuning in for the football takes,

1244
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: but you stay for the stories. Uh. That I had

1245
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: good because I thought like kind of like after we

1246
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: did it, it kind of like a lot of other

1247
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: people wanted to get in the linel, Like I give

1248
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: Brian Bill, like I give Ozzie and a credit for this.

1249
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: It's about the players, So Goose myself rest in peace,

1250
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: Goose raised Rod. It was about us, and let us

1251
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: give them us an opportunity to show our personality because

1252
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: a lot of times it is about playing pranks. It

1253
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: is about playing jokes over one another and doing things

1254
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: I wish you could like if they could have a

1255
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: when we were when when I went back to Denver,

1256
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: how we used to steal teammates car drive them off

1257
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: for like, drive them like a bile.

1258
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 3: You could see it in the distance we take we

1259
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 3: leave it.

1260
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: We lead a car running with the doors open. So

1261
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: now you look up there on the here you look

1262
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: up that like man, Man, sharp man, why you do

1263
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: that matter? I don't know what you're talking about, bro,

1264
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm at practiced. How you how I take your car

1265
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: way up there, leave it on running with the doors open, man,

1266
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: and then when they get out, the battery dead. You

1267
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Or we would take their clothes,

1268
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: them them in the cold tank when they get out,

1269
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: and put them in the freezer. When they get out,

1270
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: they steal. Man, ain't know what they did this, But Sean,

1271
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: why Sharp did everything? Why I gotta be the guy?

1272
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: Y'all blame me?

1273
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 3: They got me good my rookie year. I'll never get

1274
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 3: I had. I had an I S three hundred, I

1275
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 3: S three hundred and first car ever, first guy I

1276
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 3: didn't have. I didn't have a car until I got

1277
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 3: to the NFL. I had a little small litt I

1278
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 3: S three hundred. And they turned my car on, rolled

1279
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 3: the windows down, and somebody took the fire extinguisher and

1280
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 3: they sprayed the fixtinguisher and let it off in the car.

1281
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 3: So when I woke up the following morning, the entire interior,

1282
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 3: it's all white. So now I come out. I come out,

1283
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 3: I'm thirty eight hot. I'm like yo. I go to

1284
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 3: co I go to coach. It was Dick Labou at

1285
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 3: the time. I go to dickla Bo, I say, coach,

1286
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: coach lebow Man, somebody playing around in my car.

1287
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: Man.

1288
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: I just got this, like what we're doing. And then

1289
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 3: he explained to me how it goes on in the NFL.

1290
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 3: You're rookie. It's a part of the hazes, a part

1291
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 3: of the routine. Same day, on the same day, I

1292
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 3: go to practice. My clothes our war to go to practice.

1293
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 3: I come in. They soaking in the cold tub. Yep,

1294
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 3: they didn't put they didn't put my clothes in the

1295
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 3: cold tub. So now I'm hot and I want to fight.

1296
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 3: And then until I find out it's the goddamn d Limon. Goddamn,

1297
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 3: it's the goddamn d Limon playing jokes. I ain't want

1298
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 3: no part of that, Yah, I ain't want no part

1299
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 3: of that.

1300
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: So, I mean we do all kind of joe, We

1301
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: did all kind of stuff. I mean, we got to

1302
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: be like, okay, you know, because we like to wait

1303
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: till the last minute. We already got our path you know,

1304
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: got our pants on, and so we know we gonna

1305
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: grab your paths like the lake. So we gonna put

1306
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna put powder, or we'll put water in from

1307
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: your shoulder pans so when you reach up there and

1308
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: pull them down, yeah, dumping on you. Or I nail

1309
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: the locker shut, so I go back, nail the locker shot,

1310
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: locker shut.

1311
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 3: They can't get in it.

1312
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: What about it?

1313
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 3: What about the baby powder?

1314
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: Your hell mayby the baby powdered the helmet?

1315
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 3: Are you put the help on.

1316
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: Or we put or we put a warm snicker bar

1317
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: in your hal down and you put it on, sweating

1318
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: chocolate and everything. Listen, Hey, but that was it. I mean,

1319
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: look that was to get through. But you but you

1320
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: knew who to do that to and who not to

1321
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: do that, because it definitely it definitely calls a fight.

1322
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 3: Now it gets ugly now, definite.

1323
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: You you know you knew who to play with and

1324
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: who not to play with. Shadle aguil, y'all have y'all

1325
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: had to take your take a dump while y'all playing,

1326
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: or had a teammate almost Jordan the game, nah, I

1327
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: mean normally guys got like guys like like in the game,

1328
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: we peel. Guys would peel on the sideline. The train

1329
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: will just come hold the bag. We move in front

1330
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: of a piece of equipment and we just peel on

1331
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: the sideline. If it was if it was raining, the

1332
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: officive line of guy would pee in the page. Just

1333
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: go and if if it's wet.

1334
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 3: You don't know. But nah, nah, hell nah what.

1335
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: Strolling shaw nah.

1336
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 3: Guys would just peel on the sideline. I peeed on

1337
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 3: the sideliner number.

1338
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: At least ten times on the sideline.

1339
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 3: Yes, they just you just go on the bag.

1340
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: Just they just hold her bag and you peeling it

1341
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: in the in the in the crowd and to see

1342
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: we kneeling down, they don't know, Oh wow Dad, But yeah,

1343
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but no, no, hell no, no, but no.

1344
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: We we just run to the back. We just go

1345
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: to the back.

1346
01:03:58,960 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 3: Like us.

1347
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: Most of the people be for the games. Their nerves

1348
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: kick in whatever Red Bull or energy drink. They took

1349
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: it and there about to run through their body. Except

1350
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: for the game. They running in the bathroom. Now we

1351
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: was in those woods. I'm guys had to go to

1352
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: the bathroom and they come back with no shirt. They

1353
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: had no toilet paper, They used their shirt. They used

1354
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: their shirt, and they come back and have to work

1355
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: the rest of the day with no shirt on. But

1356
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: thats not not in the game. Nah, But NBA players, bougie.

1357
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: We had players that wouldn't even use the restroom at

1358
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: the facility. But see, that's that's that's them, the kind

1359
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: of players I'm talking about them, the one they'd done

1360
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: not see. I can't Yeah, I can't just go anywhere

1361
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: me personally, I'd rather go I'd rather go in the

1362
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: woods than go in the gym. I'd rather go into

1363
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: the woods than go into airport mixed with may was

1364
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: wrong with you?

1365
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 3: Off now?

1366
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: But I'd like to be free. I take off all

1367
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: of my clothes. I go to the bathroom, I take

1368
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: off everything I got thrown at the flow. I don't

1369
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: want nothing. I don't want nothing, rob By Akles, I

1370
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: want to be free. Uh yeah, So I'm just like, yeah,

1371
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: I button dad clothes piled up in the float like

1372
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: all of them y'all up there laughing.

1373
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 3: I don't know who, I don't know what.

1374
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: I ain't so I'm the only one that take off

1375
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: all the clothes to go number two in the bathroom.

1376
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 1: I'm the only one.

1377
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 3: We not We not six?

1378
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: Uh when we were six years old, we need to

1379
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: I take off every last thing. When we were six,

1380
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: we did that. We're gonna do that. That's a brown ass, adults, unk.

1381
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: You're trying to get comfortable. We're trying to get in

1382
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: and here. But see heard the thing, no, gil, that

1383
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: came from when I was growing up, we had to

1384
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: go in the woods. So you had to take off

1385
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: all your clothes because you ain't want to get none

1386
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: on your clothes. So you took off all your clothes,

1387
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: you put them in front of you, and you went

1388
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. So as I got and I got

1389
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: an opportunity to go in the bathroom, I just took

1390
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: all I just thought that was just a natural regression.

1391
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: I took off all my clothes. So if I go

1392
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: to the bathroom, I take off all my clothes and

1393
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: put them on the floor. And I go to the bathroom,

1394
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: do what I do. Put my clothes, put my clothes

1395
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: back off, I take off my shirt, my short everything.

1396
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm getting out here like this.

1397
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 3: Let me go, yeah for sure, Yeah yeah yeah, about to.

1398
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: Get busy on y'all business. Yeah, I take my come on.

1399
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: By the time you get off your clothes up, we

1400
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: doesn't finish and got out of there this many Yeah,

1401
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you when I first I had this work

1402
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: like I would like I would. I don't go to

1403
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: the bathroom, Like if we're upstairs, I go downstairs. She's like,

1404
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: where you're going. I'm like, I'm going to get something

1405
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: to eat, and I go to the bathroom. I don't

1406
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: tell her what I'm going. I don't tell her what

1407
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to do. But I have my clothes piled up. Hey,

1408
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable. Come back up there, like, dang, I hear

1409
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: I hear you open the refrigerator. I said, yeah, I

1410
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: just got some cookies or something. But noah, no, no, no,

1411
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: not not in the game. And we ain't got to

1412
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: do no number two. But nah, I see, hey, somebody,

1413
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: am I the only one that had the only way?

1414
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: I ain't the only way? Yeah, yeah, but no, I

1415
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: take up now. I take off everything, shoes, sock, shirt,

1416
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't got on nothing. I gotta be.

1417
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: I gotta be. I gotta have it there all. I

1418
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: gotta be free. I gotta be comfortable. And that's what

1419
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: it is here. I'm line that's funny.

1420
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 3: I'm not no.

1421
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: I don't fold no clothes. I just I just file

1422
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: them up. Now, just sit on right there in Yeah, yeah,

1423
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: I gotta get I gave you.

1424
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 3: Wait, can you help me? Give me give me a

1425
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 3: little bit more context and understanding. How is it video

1426
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 3: board affecting the kicks in any way, he.

1427
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: Said, because the stadium it used to be there was

1428
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: no board, and so the win the kickers took into effect.

1429
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: They'll take into account the win. But this kicker is

1430
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: a rookie. He never kicked without the video board, So

1431
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: what is he taking into account?

1432
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,560
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I see what you're saying. I see what

1433
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 3: you say. He's struggling.

1434
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: I think he's made I think he's missed four of

1435
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: his eight goal attempts, and so he's struggling. And so

1436
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: when you have the longevity that you have with Ben Terry,

1437
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: who's one of the two, one of the two best,

1438
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: I think Tuck. He and Tuck are right there, neck

1439
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 1: and neck. He's just had more opportunities in bigger moments.

1440
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: You know, the Tuck Rule game he kicked the game with,

1441
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, the game time field goal in the game winner,

1442
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: and the Super Bowl he's walked off to Super Bowl.

1443
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: But yes, So with that being said to I'm just

1444
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what kind of adjustment is he

1445
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: making the kicker needs to make when he never kicked

1446
01:08:58,040 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: in the old State the stadium without the boat.

1447
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 3: You know, that's that's funny that you do say that.

1448
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 3: I'm sure obviously in New England. In New England, that

1449
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 3: wind is gusty at times, especially this time of year.

1450
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 3: Actually from this time of year all the way up

1451
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 3: until up until January is gonna be windy. So what

1452
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 3: does the kicker need to do? What does he need

1453
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 3: to do and adjustments that needs to make As a

1454
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 3: kicker myself, you do know I can't kick, so I

1455
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 3: can I can make a testing rocks.

1456
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: With a bullgye. That's what you can kick kick. I

1457
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: want you to go out fie tomorrow when you go

1458
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: out fire to get in your car. I want you

1459
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: to take your shoe off in the first rock you see.

1460
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: I want you to kick it with your big toe.

1461
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: Why you are you really so?

1462
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 3: You don't know nothing about my resume. You don't know

1463
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 3: I was a backup so you know I was the

1464
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 3: backup kicking for Cincinnati for the past for eleven years. Right,

1465
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 3: you do know that, right? If I kicker ever got hurt,

1466
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 3: I was back up.

1467
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: Good thing he never got hurt, so I didn't.

1468
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 3: So you don't act like you ain't see me kick

1469
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 3: a field goal in the game and kick off when

1470
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 3: he pulled his groin. I could kick off.

1471
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: Who could kick off? Everybody kicked off in high school.

1472
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 3: Let me let me, let me stay this more time.

1473
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 3: So you've never seen me kick in a game? To

1474
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 3: me and we and we won the game based on

1475
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 3: one of the field goals. I can one of the

1476
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 3: extra points.

1477
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I saw that in the preseason.

1478
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 3: Huh so wait what preseason? Regular season? What does that matter.

1479
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 3: It's still in a game. It's in the game. It's

1480
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 3: in the game. But let me let me tell you

1481
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 3: what the kicker needs to do. What he needs to

1482
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 3: do is understand, understand the win. Understand the trajectory and

1483
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 3: which is coming off that scoreboard, because it's gonna always

1484
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 3: be the same no matter what. When you're kicking that

1485
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 3: way facing the scoreboard, all you got to do is

1486
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 3: adjust your steps, adjust your steps, your alignment, take your finger,

1487
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 3: do like this, put in the air. Understand where it's

1488
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 3: coming from and make the proper adjustments that's necessary, and

1489
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 3: always kick away from the win three to five inches

1490
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 3: when you kick, and it will always veer back to

1491
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 3: the middle. Boom problem solved.

1492
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: Oh with Joe, why would he take advice you? Would

1493
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: you take advice from him? If he tell you how

1494
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: to run a dig?

1495
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't he Why? Why wouldn't he?

1496
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, if he was telling you how to

1497
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: run a speed out or bang eight? Would you take

1498
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: advice from him?

1499
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 3: I listened to him, But let me, can I finish?

1500
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something. Why wouldn't he take advice

1501
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 3: from me? Because I'm I played, I was a kick

1502
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,560
Speaker 3: in the NFL, and I'm perfect. I'm perfect, I have

1503
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 3: perfect execution. I would justin talk it before I would

1504
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 3: I would justin talking before justin talking. I was Robbie

1505
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 3: Gold before Robbie Gold.

1506
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: Lead me. Let me, no, I'm taking advice from people

1507
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: that did this or coach this for a living.

1508
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 3: I did. I did it for a living. I did

1509
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 3: it in a precious situation and I was clutched. Don't

1510
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 3: take that away from me. Don't take that precious moment

1511
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 3: away from me. That meant a lot, That meant a.

1512
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 1: So so you have you had a man you'll call okay, okay,

1513
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: so did you grind the clutch? I mean, how driver

1514
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 1: is this?

1515
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 3: It might not be important to you, but the fact

1516
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 3: that my number was called to come out and kick

1517
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 3: a field goal to win a game, whether it's preseason

1518
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,759
Speaker 3: or not, it could have been it could have been Madden.

1519
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 3: I don't care. I was clutched and I'm one for

1520
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 3: one in life. But you know, you know it would

1521
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 3: take to get the NFL players that come together like that,

1522
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 3: it'd be very difficult because I mean there are a

1523
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 3: lot of players you know that that when the off

1524
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 3: season come, they've already run through really all the money.

1525
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 3: They really run through all their money, and a lot

1526
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 3: of people in the chat you really really don't understand

1527
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 3: this is like they can't wait till it gets in

1528
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 3: the season for those checks to start rolling in again.

1529
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 3: And the fact that it doesn't matter that you're getting

1530
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 3: paid twice is or three or four or five times

1531
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 3: more as opposed to when we was playing. If you're

1532
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:10,879
Speaker 3: making more, you spending more, it don't change. And sometimes

1533
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 3: it's god damn almost like living check the check. Even

1534
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 3: if you're making millions, that ship happens. That's why the

1535
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 3: percentage of us when we're done playing within two years,

1536
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 3: two years once the checks stopped rolling in. Boy, you

1537
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 3: ain't got no money now, I mean, how many how

1538
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 3: many big how many Cuban leaks you need?

1539
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: Don't joke? Okay, you get you one, you get your

1540
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: get your little little bracelettle master. Did you chain you straight?

1541
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?

1542
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: Do you need five cubans?

1543
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you do?

1544
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: You need a house in Miami? One in Houston and BLUs.

1545
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: You know you got a you know you got to

1546
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: have what you know? What you do you don't talk about.

1547
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I already got I already know you at what

1548
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 3: you mean? What you mean right now?

1549
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 1: They got a g wagon, they got a coling It,

1550
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: they got you know what I'm saying. I'm just saying,

1551
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 1: is you only drive one? You can only drive one.

1552
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, this is this is a good scenario

1553
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: and a good case in point. Think about this chat,

1554
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: stay with me real quick on this on right here.

1555
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: Think about everybody from Shannon Sharp's era. Now, think about

1556
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: all the players from my era. Show me any of

1557
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 1: the players.

1558
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 3: From my era or Shannon Sharp's era that are still

1559
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 3: living the same exact lifestyle as if they're playing the

1560
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 3: game of football. Think about it, driving all the nice shit,

1561
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 3: all the bigger. It's impossible to maintain that lifestyle when

1562
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 3: checks of that magnitude stop rolling down. There's nothing else

1563
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 3: in this world where you can. You can make six

1564
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand a week, nothing, it's impossible. You

1565
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 3: can make two hundred fifty thousand every Monday, three hundred

1566
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand every every.

1567
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: Everybody guys making these guys making three million a game, yea.

1568
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 3: And the funny thing about it is is you make

1569
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 3: it three million a game, and you think, you know what,

1570
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:03,480
Speaker 3: it's always gonna be like this. So you're spinning unconsciously

1571
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 3: having fun fashion cars going here, trips. You know you

1572
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 3: got a bunch you gotta you got a bunch of chicks,

1573
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 3: so you know you're tricking off. You tricking off. Ain't

1574
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 3: paying for nothing? Oh they got entourages, the entourages. That's

1575
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 3: a lot of mouthfeet. Ain't nobody paying for nothing? Well,

1576
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 3: when you look up, you and year six, when you

1577
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 3: look up, you're in year eight. Oh god forbid, you

1578
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 3: have an injury. Oh ship Joe, or listen that ship

1579
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 3: go fast.

1580
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: Whatever you make, whatever whatever I make, Yeah, I go

1581
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: ahead and take half of it. I put it in

1582
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: the bank. I'm saying will cause I paid. I paid

1583
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 1: my taxes quarterly. I got tired of writing three four

1584
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: million dollars checks at the end of the year. So

1585
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: now you take this it's quarterly, because it will hurt.

1586
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: It would hurt my mind, Like I gotta pay that.

1587
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: So what I do is that, Hey, whatever I make,

1588
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: I got one hundred thous, I get two hundred thousand.

1589
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 1: I guess half a million, two fifty gold or one

1590
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: hundred goal with fifty thousand gold I set down aside.

1591
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 1: Now this is what I got towards my expenses. Because

1592
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: Uncle Sam gotta get he got expended. I gotta pay

1593
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: Uncle Sam. He got a big old house. Yeah, he

1594
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: got a big old house in DC, the big one.

1595
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: And then he got another building I think they call

1596
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 1: it the Capitol. And then they got the Pelagon and

1597
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: we got on them, beat them steph Bombers and you know,

1598
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: the sixteen hornets. I got to pay my party and

1599
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: all that, right, I understand that. Also, Ojo, you got

1600
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: an agent, he'll get he'll get he'll get two to

1601
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: four pus.

1602
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 3: See it Yo, Yeah, so definitely. You know it's funny

1603
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 3: if we had somebody, I think the casual fan. You

1604
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 3: have to be a player to understand the casual fancy

1605
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 3: the numbers at the end of the day and think,

1606
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 3: oh my god, he signed for two fifty three hund

1607
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 3: it or whatever it may be. But when you break

1608
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 3: down the numbers and actually you get that chopping half

1609
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 3: with Uncle Sam take, then you factor in your expenses,

1610
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 3: then you think about what goes to your agent, then

1611
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 3: you think about what you got left over. It shrinks

1612
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 3: significantly regards of the regards to of what those numbers said.

1613
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 3: Going across that take on ESPN, it's a different ball game.

1614
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 3: It's all smoking mirrors, talk about the real like what

1615
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 3: you can touch.

1616
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: But see Ojo. The best thing that I did I

1617
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: was I switched agents. The agent that I have he

1618
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: represented John. I remember asking John to say, John, who's

1619
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: your agent? He told me his name Marvin Demo. I said,

1620
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: you think he'd be interested in representing me? He said,

1621
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, but here's this number. He gave his number.

1622
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 3: I called it.

1623
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: Had a meeting with missus h. I'll meet you at

1624
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl now, ask me what did I want

1625
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: in my future? I told him, I said, I want

1626
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: to live the same life out that I have right now.

1627
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: He said, you have any kids? I said, I got three.

1628
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 1: How old? I told them how old they were. He said,

1629
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: do you support anybody outside of your kid? I was

1630
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 1: like my mom, I helped my mom. My mom was

1631
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: still working at the time, I said, my grandmother, my sister.

1632
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: At the time, my brother had just had just retired.

1633
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: I said, I take all that responsibility. He says, go home,

1634
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: get me all your financials of how much you actually have,

1635
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: Get me everything that you spend, and then I'll get

1636
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: back to you. In thirty to forty five days. Brought

1637
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 1: him everything I had, Like, wow, I mean, you don't

1638
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: blow a lot of your money. I don't see boats.

1639
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't see at that time, Oh Joe, I had,

1640
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, had nice cards, but I always I never

1641
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: I didn't have a card note, so I had paid

1642
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:55,560
Speaker 1: them off in cash. Right, no trips. He says, this

1643
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 1: is what we're gonna do. He says, we're gonna do this, this, this,

1644
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 1: and this. He says, I want you to is it

1645
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 1: any time you have an appearance? He says, I want

1646
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: you to divide it up and put it in an

1647
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: account for each kid college. So we're gonna do that.

1648
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: Every time you go do something, no matter how that's

1649
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 1: not yours, that's theirs. Okay, four, he says, Now your

1650
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: contract's gonna come up. You know, Hey, we're gonna talk

1651
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: about this. We'll see what the market it is. He said,

1652
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do, he said, the first

1653
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: you know it's half. Yeah, but I want you to

1654
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 1: take whatever you get, whatever we get. I want you

1655
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: to take a third and say, I'm not gonna touch

1656
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 1: it for twenty years. Okay, that was three years. We

1657
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: go to Baltimore. Y'all have a free agent.

1658
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 3: You know, you know it's coming.

1659
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 1: Seven time Pro Bowler, four time first team, seven consecutive

1660
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. I'm on the market. Yeah, whatever we get, shunning,

1661
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: he said, I want you to take a third and

1662
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: put it away for twenty years. You can't touch it

1663
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: for twenty years old. Now hold on, don't you to

1664
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: think about it now?

1665
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 3: Twenty years?

1666
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, what damn?

1667
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 3: What if?

1668
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: What if something unforeseen?

1669
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 3: You know?

1670
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: Brother Mom's sister said, Shannon, I want you to put

1671
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 1: a third for twenty years.

1672
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 3: Man.

1673
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 1: Oh, Joe. You know, so I went earlier this year

1674
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: and I talked. I was talking to him and he said,

1675
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: I need, you know, give me your financials. I brought

1676
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: him all the financials.

1677
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

1678
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: Oh yo, m hm. You know what they told me,

1679
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: He said, go by yourself something.

1680
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 3: I said, but that wait twenty years and you ain't

1681
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 3: touch it, touch it. Ain't touch you already. I already,

1682
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 3: I already know what it's looking like. You ain't got

1683
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 3: to tell men, please, you ain't got to You ain't

1684
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 3: got to tell me, oh choe.

1685
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 1: So that's why, that's why when when uh Fox did

1686
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 1: what they did, oh shaye was straight now now.

1687
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 3: Stephen plus they had plus they had to do the pay.

1688
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 1: But Stevehen, they came by with his little lightbulbs. He

1689
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: I heard somebody over here need a little sister. Yeah

1690
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: you know what a little you know, little car broke

1691
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 1: down side of the roads that come on oh old

1692
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 1: old triple s.

1693
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:33,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. So now mm hmmm.

1694
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: So now I'm thinking, okay, I got the kids and

1695
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: the grandkids. I'm trying to get my grandson kid and

1696
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: he a kid, right. But there wasn't no fancy, It

1697
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,520
Speaker 1: wasn't no going on no this and no excress, stravagant

1698
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: stuff like that. No, my sister, get me a I

1699
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: don't need no you know you know what I did,

1700
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,759
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, I got my sister.

1701
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 3: I bought her.

1702
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 1: She told me she wanted a limited guess why, you

1703
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 1: know the Southern you know they don't speak correctly, right, right,

1704
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:17,759
Speaker 1: I heard expedition. She said limited edition.

1705
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 3: Right.

1706
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: So at that time, the expeditions had just came out.

1707
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: I said, So I told her, I saidny, if I

1708
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 1: got you an expedition, she said, Shannon, what is that?

1709
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,480
Speaker 1: I said, I wanted a limited edition. She wanted an explorer,

1710
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 1: but she wanted a limited edition. I heard expedition. So

1711
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: I done went to the I done went to the

1712
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,719
Speaker 1: dealership and got it. Joe, actually Elway had a car dealership.

1713
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 1: I done went to the dealership and got it. M

1714
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: I done got the wrong thing. She's like, shadny, I

1715
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: don't want that. But just so half of the dealership

1716
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 1: at my hometown they had won them a lot, right.

1717
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 2: So.

1718
01:22:59,000 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: I wanted I want it.

1719
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 3: I want it. I bet you do well, I bet

1720
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 3: you do want it. So but but that was the

1721
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 3: that was the thing.

1722
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 1: And so and oh Joe, see I'm just watched like

1723
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: I've always been a provider, and I understand that I'm

1724
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: the baby of the group and I'm you know, yes, hir,

1725
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: but I'm the I take over. I took over everything

1726
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: because once my brother left, now I got all the responsibility.

1727
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 1: So that's my thinking. That's why family. I put family

1728
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:31,640
Speaker 1: above everything, and I don't slay about my family. My

1729
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: thing is so when something if something bothered my family,

1730
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 1: it bothers me.

1731
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 3: It bothers you.

1732
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: Because I'm close like that. And I gave my grandmother

1733
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 1: on a death bed, I got this. And when I

1734
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 1: say I got it, you got it. Hey, my brother, Hey,

1735
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: go to bed risk these you ain't never got to

1736
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 1: worry about money. Live it, go to bed, sleep easy.

1737
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: You ain't never got to worry about money. Hey, guys,

1738
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: I want to say this. My sister had the surgery.

1739
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:59,759
Speaker 1: Both of hill's prepared. She's already home, she's walking. She competitive.

1740
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 1: She is trying to beat me because I was. I

1741
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: was walking unassisted the second time in six days with

1742
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 1: her paying help. So she's trying to beat me. She

1743
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: done walked up and down the hall, and she all

1744
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: a ride and everything. My cousin called me and said, uh.

1745
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: I asked her how she doing. She said, when I

1746
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 1: got this morning, LIB was already set up. She's already

1747
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: given a SEP. I said, you see that helpful, just

1748
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 1: trying to beat meld make me see. But that's that's

1749
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: how I am.

1750
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 3: Joe.

1751
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 1: So I saved, and people like, well, man, you bro

1752
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 1: to what I make to what I spend, the ratio

1753
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: is not even close. It's not even close.

1754
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 3: You know, min mine worse than yours. But my minus

1755
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 3: minus always always been like that. You know that. It's

1756
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,679
Speaker 3: it's a it's a discipline that you learned very early,

1757
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 3: very early.

1758
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: Because we heard that, Joe, We've seen it. I've seen

1759
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 1: guys that I've played with, man and this they they

1760
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 1: they they down bad man.

1761
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 3: Listen. I think it might have been my first year,

1762
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 3: might have in my first year, and I went second

1763
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 3: round obviously thirty. I forgot what pick I went, you know,

1764
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 3: and I think my signing voterus might have been what

1765
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 3: maybe one five, one two something like that. Lord, oh

1766
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 3: listen in Florida tax So you got you know, you know, yeah,

1767
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 3: you know, you're you're young. You're young now, and so

1768
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 3: I'm I'm thinking I'm having fun I'm having a good

1769
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 3: old time. I look up off season. Come boy, I

1770
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 3: done ran through all that. Hey, listen to me. Now,

1771
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 3: I dodnet ran through all that because I wasn't paying

1772
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 3: attention and I hadn't learned to say no and Chad listen, family,

1773
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 3: y'all stayed with me because I can tell y'all this,

1774
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna tell you where the discipline come from

1775
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 3: for me, because it started early after that first year.

1776
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 3: The off season that came, we got into the middle

1777
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 3: of the season, we got about, we got about to

1778
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 3: maybe yeah or may. I'll never forget. I was with

1779
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 3: Jerome Stanley at the time. But unk I had I

1780
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 3: had ran out what you had me Let me tell

1781
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 3: let me take my glass off. When you know how

1782
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 3: I play a lot. Unk I had ran out. I

1783
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:16,799
Speaker 3: ain't had nothing left. So I talked to Missus Stanley.

1784
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 3: I say, Missus Stanley, man out and messed up through.

1785
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:25,719
Speaker 3: No problem. Boom Dennis north Cut Cleveland Brown's ride receiver

1786
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 3: and chat. If anybody in the chat, no Dennis north Cut.

1787
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 3: I guarantee you to tell you Dennis north Cut had

1788
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 3: to give me one hundred fifty thousand. Might have been

1789
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 3: year one maybe maybe, Yeah, I had they had to

1790
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 3: be year one because after that I was on point.

1791
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 3: Then the Dennis north Cut had to give me one

1792
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 3: hundred fifty grand so I can get through the so

1793
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 3: I can get through the season, get the off season,

1794
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 3: and when him check started rolling, I shot buddy that

1795
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 3: money back. From that point on, boy you talked about Chi. Yeah, man, listen,

1796
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 3: I became so financially conscious of everything I did. Start

1797
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 3: they going to clips. I got that smart car probably

1798
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 3: in two thousand and four. I treated myself the things

1799
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 3: that I got nice. That was all. If it wasn't

1800
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 3: the commercial money, it wasn't if it wasn't TV money.

1801
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 3: You know, all that stuff I had going off the field,

1802
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 3: I ain't touched no more NFL checks from that point on.

1803
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 3: When I couldn't make it through a goddamn a s

1804
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 3: oh jo.

1805
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: I mean, so you're thinking about you got one five?

1806
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 1: You got realize I was making sixty three my rent

1807
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 1: at mill PONK. I made sixty three thousand of my

1808
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: rookie year mill Pond. The rent was five. Hold on,

1809
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 1: First of all, you couldn't do like you know how

1810
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: you got to do a rent. You got to do

1811
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: a rent like like a year. But I'm to see

1812
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 1: I got I got the apartment because I couldn't move in. Boy,

1813
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: and this I had, God was looking out for me.

1814
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: My apartment wasn't gonna be ready, so I made the

1815
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: team in August. My apartment wasn't going to be ready

1816
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: until the first of October. I ain't got no where

1817
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: to state. Oh, I ain't got no First I got

1818
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 1: oh Yo, I ain't got no oh Jo. I ain't

1819
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: got no place to go. Man unlets I go to

1820
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 1: the hotel. Hotel probably about fifty bucks a night, oh Jo.

1821
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: Everybody know Melvviyn Brad. You call him fat Cat manh Cat, say,

1822
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 1: I got him too. I got him the first two weeks,

1823
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,799
Speaker 1: humph you take him the next ten days, Bobby Humphrey,

1824
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 1: Ricky Na you bring it home. So I slept with

1825
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: I slept with fat Cat the first two weeks. Then

1826
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: I went to Bobby Humphrey. They dropped me off for me.

1827
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: Mail took can I ain't at that time. I ain't

1828
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 1: have no car just yet. Then I got my car

1829
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 1: in the process. I'm living with b hump then humph

1830
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 1: As a matter no, I ain't got no car because

1831
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm driving Ricking the Teals Rick and the Teal let

1832
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: me drive here.

1833
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:50,600
Speaker 3: He had a four x four UH based out. He

1834
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 3: let me drive here. Let me drive his.

1835
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: Front Runner mm HM for five weeks. I'm living with teammates.

1836
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 1: So now October, November, December, January, February, March. I got

1837
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: to get six months. I ain't living there, so I'm

1838
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: paying one thousand dollars for places I ain't even living.

1839
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 3: I gotta go back and finish up my degree.

1840
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 1: I stay in this place called Royal Oakes, Hey, and

1841
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: anybody in Savannah you know Royal Loakes, oh jo a

1842
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 1: thousand bucks a month, and I got a furnish it

1843
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 1: and I got a place to go back to Savannah State.

1844
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 1: So I paid for my own two issues. Now, had

1845
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 1: the president had some of these presidents that that I've

1846
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: been dealing with, they probably would say, well, come on back.

1847
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 1: But I had to pay. I paid, No problem, wasn't

1848
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 1: no problem. Even though I wasn't making money like that.

1849
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: They just oh, show you, no NFL people say, you've

1850
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 1: been paying professionals, professionals this, you make a lot of money.

1851
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 1: But I wasn't had a cell phone. Now, I don't

1852
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 1: know if you know this, o Joe, and but people,

1853
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 1: if y'all know a bouck. In the nineties, they had

1854
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 1: a roam in charge. So my phone land phone was

1855
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: based out of Colorado. I brought the phone back to

1856
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 1: your gorda anytime I powered up, I'm roaming bring dollars

1857
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 1: a minute, and you know your boy big time it.

1858
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, you know I've been mad, I been tied.

1859
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 3: You what how did you boy that you right right right?

1860
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: I'm on my way mm hmm. Hey bro, hey, man,

1861
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 1: what's going on? I called my brother, I said, bro,

1862
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 1: what's going on? He like, I said, man, your boy

1863
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: money jump fuddy. He's like, what you mean, man?

1864
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 3: Oh la oh? I said, boy, you boy money jump

1865
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 3: from I said, man, you know yeah, I said, man.

1866
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go back to school, you know, finish

1867
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: up my degree. Yes, sir, And you know, he said, well,

1868
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: the first thing I want you to do is turn

1869
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 1: that damn phone off. I was like, all right, right,

1870
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 1: get that yeah, get that room now, cause the bill

1871
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 1: was like the bill was like, oh I got that bill,

1872
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: like twelve hundred dollars for a self gods damn. In

1873
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 1: the nineties, Twelvendred now mind you, I'm still paying five hundred,

1874
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: five ten and five twenty five at mill Pond, I'm

1875
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 1: still paying. I got twelve hundred, I got like, uh

1876
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: a fousand. I think it was like ay twenty nine

1877
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,719
Speaker 1: at Royal Mopes, and I had to go to Renal

1878
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 1: Film because I ain't got no furniture. So I got

1879
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,719
Speaker 1: a rich furniture, furnished the whole apartment like two fifty

1880
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars a month, and I got to pay

1881
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 1: to go back to school. I ain't got no money

1882
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 1: coming in on. Yo.

1883
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, it's different, listen, I don't I don't think.

1884
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,799
Speaker 3: I don't think people understand. Man, I don't think people understand.

1885
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:38,759
Speaker 3: Obviously the money's a little bit different today. But again,

1886
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 3: the if the discipline isn't there, unk. I learned quick.

1887
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 3: I learned quick. It took me one year, one year

1888
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 3: with five I finally made it. I went through it.

1889
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 3: Holy I'm back at I'm back at square one. And

1890
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 3: somebody else that had been had been playing, got to

1891
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,719
Speaker 3: send me enough just as survived during the off season.

1892
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 3: Oh no, I will never be it. I will never

1893
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 3: ever ever ever be in this situation again ever, Like yesterday,

1894
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 3: and I tightened. I tightened up. Real. Quote, Hey, Dennis,

1895
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 3: then Dennis north Cote, if you see this, I know

1896
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 3: you're gonna see this. Boy, I appreciate you because it's

1897
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 3: because of you that got me to get myself together.

1898
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 3: So never forget it.

1899
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: My going into going into my going into my second year,

1900
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 1: my second year.

1901
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 3: Get ready.

1902
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 1: So now, oh Joe, I'm you know, first two years,

1903
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 1: I made sixty three thousand, I think I made sixty three,

1904
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 1: and then seventy three got a ten thousand dollars raised.

1905
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 1: And so by this time we I got he I

1906
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 1: ain't got no contract, no contract, oh Joe, mm hm.

1907
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 1: So but I kept my place year round this time.

1908
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 1: So I'm playing. I ain't got no ay, I ain't

1909
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 1: got no money coming in. You know I'm spending. You know,

1910
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 1: I'm going to Black College. Beat we you know your bought?

1911
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,440
Speaker 1: Oh oh freaknik.

1912
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1913
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 1: My brother called me. He said, look here, And this

1914
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 1: is the first, this is really the only time in

1915
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: all in all my years, my brother has ever cursed

1916
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 1: at me. The only time ever he picked up the phone.

1917
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:17,560
Speaker 3: He called me.

1918
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 1: I said, what's up? You know, I mean, what's up?

1919
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 3: Bro?

1920
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 1: He what's up? We're good?

1921
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, you hell.

1922
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: By the tone his voice, he wasn't in a joking

1923
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: moved like what's up man? This is what he said

1924
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: to me, verbatim. I'm not gonna go broke fucking with you.

1925
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 3: And hung up.

1926
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: That's the only time my brother has ever uttered a

1927
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: curse word at me. The only time say no more,

1928
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 1: Say no more because I listen, oh Joe, because I

1929
01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 1: was I'm thinking, man, this I'm gonna be. I'm gonna

1930
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 1: be his like, bro, And you know later he's facing

1931
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 1: it and say, bro, you don't understand an injury here

1932
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: or something happens there that you not gonna you not

1933
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 1: gonna play in the NFL is if you were a

1934
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: doctor or a lawyer or had a normal occupation, your

1935
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 1: career is not going to be as long as theirs.

1936
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 1: And you needed to understand that, right. But he was

1937
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: the only one, and my sister would call me, I said,

1938
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: get out of my faith. But that was the only time.

1939
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 1: And from that moment on, well, I ain't have no

1940
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: choice that it's gonna have a baby.

1941
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 3: Then you know, yeah, oh you ain't got your choice.

1942
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:37,519
Speaker 3: That that that that gets you, that gets you right.

1943
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 1: Three words words I hated three words to this day

1944
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 1: and I ain't heard him since. I love you, Shannon.

1945
01:34:49,120 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm praying God. Whoo, God got the beat? More care? Okay,

1946
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 1: let's look at this athletic release their annual player survey.

1947
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 1: Players were asked about their favorite stadium to play in.

1948
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1949
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 3: What do you think?

1950
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 1: The number one stadium to play?

1951
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 3: It was the number one.

1952
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 1: Yes, this was easy for me. I got it because

1953
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,599
Speaker 1: it was my favorite. You're number one to everybody else,

1954
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, it was there at the players. Current players

1955
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 1: anonymously will ask their favorite stadium.

1956
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 3: Trying to think, I'm telling you maybe I'm thinking of

1957
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just go with the two louder stadiums that

1958
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 3: wouldn't be a favorite though, Arrowhead or the twelve Man

1959
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:41,839
Speaker 3: out there in Seattle.

1960
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:46,799
Speaker 1: Arrowhead was number one. It was the US Bank Stadium,

1961
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: which is Minnesota stadium number two. Yet it's loud, but

1962
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: to go there and to see it's a sea of red. Yeah,

1963
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 1: and they bring that be to your be to be

1964
01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 1: to bomber over and it's just like hovering and it's

1965
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 1: right there, but you don't hear it until it gets

1966
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: past you, and then it is rumbling. The stadium is

1967
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 1: actually rumbling and all you see is red and when

1968
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 1: the and the national anthem and the.

1969
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 3: Home of the.

1970
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remembers you can feel the win of all

1971
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 1: those people saying geez, feel it, and it just gives

1972
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 1: you goose bump, and you know you got to be

1973
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: on your best behavior. Now. When we played them, uh yeah,

1974
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 1: they're my high But you have to understand it was

1975
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 1: different because when I played them in nineties, they were

1976
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 1: all a defense fifteen. They were loaded. They had DT,

1977
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:44,799
Speaker 1: they had Dale Carter, they had Dale Carter, DT, Neil Smith,

1978
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 1: James Hasty, they had Duran Cherry, Martin Baylor's, they Dan Salamore,

1979
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: Joe Phillips. They were loaded on the defensive side. And

1980
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 1: you know they had Barry Ward, christianer Corier. So Marty

1981
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer was the coach. They run the ball, you know, Mark,

1982
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: they wasn't gonna do anything crazy, and then turn them

1983
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 1: over to his defense and A and you see they

1984
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 1: get you backed up DT running the end zone and

1985
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:09,600
Speaker 1: do this. That's what y'all want to see. And the

1986
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 1: fans go crazy. Oh yeah, he said, Yah, what y'all

1987
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 1: want to see? Okay, they get you backed up, Oh Joe,

1988
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 1: they get you backed up. It got so loud they

1989
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 1: had to change the rules because Dan told us we

1990
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 1: went there one time and Dan says, John, if you

1991
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 1: can't hear, just turn to the official and tell him

1992
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 1: you can't hear.

1993
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 3: Mmm, well, why not going silent count?

1994
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 1: But that was before the silent there was no silent count.

1995
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 1: We ended up turned teams ended up going to the

1996
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 1: silent count. But the official would make the crowd, the

1997
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: home crowd quiet down so you can hear the snap.

1998
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: And they said, if you didn't quiet down, there was

1999
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 1: taking time out. Okay, NFLSA, now we can't have that.

2000
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 1: That's the whole purpose of having a home field advantage

2001
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 1: if to have your crowd get in to it. So

2002
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 1: they changed the rules and then everybody started going on

2003
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 1: the solid count. Uh. Arrowhead was number one. US Bank Stadium,

2004
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:08,680
Speaker 1: the Vikings was number two. The least favorite stadium to

2005
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 1: play in? Where do you think the players voted?

2006
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think I would I would go, Well,

2007
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 3: obviously the Raiders aren't at the black Hole, so they

2008
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 3: it's nice over there, so the black Hole wouldn't be

2009
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 3: trying to think the least favorite. I got both of these,

2010
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 3: which fan base is really crazy. Maybe the Eagles Eagles, Eagles,

2011
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 3: but the Eagles are no Eagles.

2012
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 1: No, the old Eagles. When I played, Eagles used to

2013
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:42,680
Speaker 1: play at the Vet, which was terf It was concrete

2014
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 1: with basically a carpet laid on top of it.

2015
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 3: Ouch.

2016
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:46,799
Speaker 1: It was terrible.

2017
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 3: Yes.

2018
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: Uh, the players voted met Life is where the Jets

2019
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 1: and the Giants play.

2020
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:52,639
Speaker 3: Oh, that is a bad stadium.

2021
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 1: Em FedEx em FedEx Field because remember they just had

2022
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 1: no cold, they had no hot water just last just

2023
01:38:58,479 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 1: last week.

2024
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 3: So the tourlet and the tourlet has been backing up

2025
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 3: from what I've heard.

2026
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:07,599
Speaker 1: But when I played, I would say that the Eagles

2027
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 1: played the old Astrodome. They did, they did away with

2028
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 1: that before you got into the league. Uh, Cleveland Municipal Stadium.

2029
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 3: Was a dump. Yeah, yeah, it was a dump. Oh, Joe,

2030
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 3: it was bad. It was really really bad.

2031
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. The most annoying fan base.

2032
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 3: Its crazy. You the Eagles throw snowballs that center, you know,

2033
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:34,599
Speaker 3: you know they ain't wrapped too tight.

2034
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 1: They say, say, I ain't bring them ish, so then

2035
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 1: he deserved it. Okay, the Eagles for number one, who's

2036
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:40,640
Speaker 1: number two?

2037
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:45,640
Speaker 3: Number two fan base? That's really crazy. Oh, Joe, come on, now,

2038
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 3: it's a good one because the Bills, no, the most annoying.

2039
01:39:53,479 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 3: Oh annoying? Okay, oh the Cowboys Okay, okay, okay, thank you.

2040
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 1: But but see I came along. We didn't really know

2041
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 1: how knowing the fan base was because there's the social media,

2042
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:09,719
Speaker 1: so there was nobody on gian Oh, y'all, you suck

2043
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 1: coyboordination and Eagles fly were whatever the Eagles fly because

2044
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 1: I think Ravens flocked Eagles fly. There was none of

2045
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 1: that going on, so we didn't get it until you,

2046
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:23,480
Speaker 1: until you got there. But every fan base was rabbit.

2047
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 3: For me.

2048
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 1: This is the way I approached to know Joe. I

2049
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 1: was so secure in my job. I'm gonna tell you see,

2050
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:34,760
Speaker 1: I talked to guys and every guy that backed up

2051
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 1: me went to the Pro Bowl, Todd Heat when I

2052
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:39,679
Speaker 1: was in Baltimore, I left, he went to the Pro Bowl,

2053
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 1: Dwayne Carswell and Byron Chamberlain. When I left, Carswell went

2054
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bo for the Broncos. Chamberlain went to

2055
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl for the of the Vikings. But we

2056
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 1: had that relationship that I know they couldn't get my job.

2057
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: I was secured, but I needed them if something happened

2058
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 1: to me. I needed them to know, damn there, even

2059
01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 1: though they didn't have the physical abilities that I had,

2060
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 1: I needed them to.

2061
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 3: Know the team couldn't miss a beat.

2062
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 1: How selfish am I gonna be to withhold anything that

2063
01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 1: can help them? Cause people help me. I remember being

2064
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 1: in training camp and having a guy tell me the

2065
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 1: wrong route, and I said, if I ever got in

2066
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 1: that situation, I would never do that to a place.

2067
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 3: Somebody told you the wrong route.

2068
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, bro, it's cutthroat. We're both little round picks.

2069
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 1: He trying to make the team. I'm trying to make

2070
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 1: the team.

2071
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:32,120
Speaker 3: Okay O he on that? Oh yeah, he on that?

2072
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:33,679
Speaker 3: And I said, I just wore.

2073
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 1: I said, Lord, if I'm fortunate enough to ever make it,

2074
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell a lot of guys. I see guys

2075
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:41,800
Speaker 1: coming in the huddle, and I could tell you can

2076
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 1: tell when the guy coming in to huddle, he don't

2077
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 1: know what the hell he got to do. I said, man,

2078
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 1: you you got to come back, so you hot? Now,

2079
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:52,000
Speaker 1: hey you hot? Make sure you a hey, you got

2080
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:53,800
Speaker 1: this route. But if it's covered you you got to

2081
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:56,800
Speaker 1: release out side and run and run the fade. So you,

2082
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 1: Oh Joe. You know when the guy coming there, he

2083
01:41:58,960 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 1: don't know what the hell he do it?

2084
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

2085
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 1: So before and and and the thing that I like,

2086
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 1: they were patient with me. Oh Joe, man, I ain't

2087
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 1: no nothing. Let me tell you. I'll tell your true story, Ojo.

2088
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 1: Dan Reeve used to send the plays and he having

2089
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 1: a player. You know, I'll run a play. I'll come

2090
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 1: back out next play. He sent me in with the play.

2091
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:21,960
Speaker 1: So I'm tired. Now I've got tired. You know where

2092
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 1: you get tired, O Joe. You know, fatigue will make

2093
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:24,760
Speaker 1: cowards of us.

2094
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 3: All.

2095
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 1: Dan got his hand on my shoulder. He said, he

2096
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 1: tell me to play. I running the ball game. I

2097
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:33,160
Speaker 1: breathe in. John look at me. John said, what's the play?

2098
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 1: I said, I forgot time out? I did, don't y'all sorry.

2099
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 3: Oh Joe, how you forgotten to play for the sidelines today?

2100
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 1: Joe, I forgot. You know, I'm running, I'm John, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2101
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 1: So I get in the hudd up. I'm down. I'm

2102
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: down looking at John. John look at me, and he's like, tee,

2103
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 1: what's the play? I was like, oh, ship forgot.

2104
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:06,840
Speaker 3: I did? Man?

2105
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 1: I forgot, Man, I didn't I didn't. I didn't want

2106
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 1: to look over that day because I already know.

2107
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 3: He was cursing. Yeah, I said, oh, man, man wasted

2108
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:17,599
Speaker 3: time out, Man.

2109
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 1: He wasted the time out. Less Deco was the first

2110
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 1: coach that I took that when I made it, I

2111
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 1: took him and his wife. Then Brian Perryanni came after Less,

2112
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 1: after a Wade Phillips staff left. So now I go

2113
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl, I bring VP his right Less

2114
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:37,519
Speaker 1: and his wife Chris, and then I go to Baltimore.

2115
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:38,479
Speaker 3: I make the Pro Bowl.

2116
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 1: I take Wade Harmon my position coach, his wife, BP,

2117
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:45,639
Speaker 1: his wife who's still at the Broncos. Let's Deco, Okay,

2118
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:48,640
Speaker 1: put him up, Hey, I bring them out there, fly

2119
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 1: him out, put him up at the hotel, and we

2120
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:53,560
Speaker 1: go do a dinner. I'm just you know what, I

2121
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 1: just want people to know. I'm never I've never been

2122
01:43:58,120 --> 01:44:01,040
Speaker 1: naive enough to think that I got to where I

2123
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 1: am by myself, right, So I wanted them to know

2124
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:10,479
Speaker 1: that I appreciate what you had done for me. Less

2125
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 1: Stekell was He's probably probably first to second coach Hall,

2126
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 1: who was my high school coach. He drove the bus

2127
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,599
Speaker 1: from my mom. He coached all my uncles coach my aunts,

2128
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:23,679
Speaker 1: and he coached me and my brother, So he's probably

2129
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 1: he's my favorite coach, but less Steckel's probably a close

2130
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:30,720
Speaker 1: second because the relationship that he and I have to

2131
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 1: this day. He calls me. He calls me every one

2132
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 1: of my kids' birthday. Lets hadn't coached me in thirty years.

2133
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:47,719
Speaker 1: He calls me every birthday for each of my kids.

2134
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:51,920
Speaker 1: Now he calls me sweetheart. That was sweetheart, he always

2135
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:57,479
Speaker 1: every time, sweetheart, sweetheart. I just want him to know.

2136
01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 1: I wanted BP to know. I want only Wadeo to know. Bro,

2137
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 1: these pro bos, these all pro y'all help this. Yeah,

2138
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 1: invited them all. Now, some of them came less came

2139
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:13,400
Speaker 1: less stack Okay, I mentioned less in my speech. BP

2140
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:16,679
Speaker 1: k Wado didn't get to come because he was coaching

2141
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 1: at the time. Invited them all to the hall all

2142
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 1: my because I appreciate it. I appreciate everything, everything that

2143
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 1: I was, everything that I had accomplished up until that point,

2144
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:28,559
Speaker 1: as far as as far as you know, sports wise,

2145
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 1: especially football, those guys had a large part to do

2146
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:33,120
Speaker 1: with it, and I wanted that was my way of

2147
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:33,760
Speaker 1: saying thank you.

2148
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:36,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what I did, obviously when I made

2149
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:39,000
Speaker 3: the Pro Bowls and the fact that it was in Hawaii.

2150
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 3: I think the players to day they will never understand

2151
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 3: what it's like to make the Pro Bowl and what

2152
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 3: a treat it was to make the Pro Bowl back then,

2153
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 3: because it was an actual treat. It was an actual

2154
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 3: treat in the trip. Yeh family. Obviously, I took my

2155
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 3: I took my kids, my family. I took my coach,

2156
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 3: my coach who was my trainer doing throughout the all season,

2157
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 3: because he's responsible for who I was. He's responsible for

2158
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:04,880
Speaker 3: the confidence was, he's responsible for the bravado and really

2159
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:07,320
Speaker 3: making me into the player I was. I took him

2160
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 3: all the time. Obviously, my grandma and my mom, and

2161
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 3: my homeboys out the hood, my homeboys out the hood

2162
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,560
Speaker 3: who I grew up with. I wanted them to have

2163
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:17,800
Speaker 3: that experience and go go on that journey with me.

2164
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:20,439
Speaker 3: So I took them, you know, maybe one or two times.

2165
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:22,240
Speaker 3: Other than that, it was always, you know, my kids

2166
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 3: and my grandma, my mama, my sister.

2167
01:46:25,439 --> 01:46:27,479
Speaker 1: She went the first two times my brother made it

2168
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 1: in eighty nine and ninety and she was done. She

2169
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to go anymore. Yeah, she's like it's too

2170
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:36,960
Speaker 1: far to fly. She was excited, she'd be excited for

2171
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:39,559
Speaker 1: two days and then she's just basically ready to go home,

2172
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:42,559
Speaker 1: ready to go home. So she's worried about she's worried

2173
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:44,360
Speaker 1: about my grandmother because we got to have one of

2174
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:45,920
Speaker 1: my aunts to come in and see with my grandmother.

2175
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 1: And you got to realize, Okay, California to Georgia is

2176
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:51,719
Speaker 1: the three hour time different, and there's another two hours,

2177
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:53,960
Speaker 1: so it's five hours. So you're thinking, what thing, and

2178
01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 1: Grant is already in the bey. It's so about that

2179
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 1: and by the time you want to call this in

2180
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:01,120
Speaker 1: the morning, you going to be the granted just getting up.

2181
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 1: So now after that point, so I never got a

2182
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 1: chance to bring up my mom didn't really didn't really

2183
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 1: care to go. So that was that was It was

2184
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:11,559
Speaker 1: just basically me and my me and my coaches. I'll

2185
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 1: take the coaches and you know, a couple of time

2186
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:16,840
Speaker 1: and have a couple of teammates, uh, which was which

2187
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:18,800
Speaker 1: were cool and then uh, in two thousand and one,

2188
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:22,160
Speaker 1: one of my last year in Baltimore, to have Ray

2189
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:25,920
Speaker 1: and Woody to go Uh, that was funny. But it

2190
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:28,240
Speaker 1: was always fun to get an opportunity to see the

2191
01:47:28,360 --> 01:47:31,720
Speaker 1: guys that you compete against and sit around and eat

2192
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 1: burgers and and and you know all of the my

2193
01:47:34,240 --> 01:47:37,120
Speaker 1: ties and the Blue Hawaiians and the drinks and tell

2194
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:40,160
Speaker 1: the stories. And you get an opportunity to see coach Belichick.

2195
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:40,960
Speaker 3: You see a.

2196
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:44,679
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning let their hair down. Now, all of a sudden,

2197
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 1: it's no more coach speak. Now, all of a sudden,

2198
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,639
Speaker 1: it's just like they're having a great time. Hey sharpeye,

2199
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 1: you want something? Ay ay, And now we try to

2200
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:55,400
Speaker 1: Hey man, what's your room number? Oh I'm such and such.

2201
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 1: Oh now you got.

2202
01:47:57,800 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 3: Never give you your room number.

2203
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 1: Never charge on me by four fivesand dollars because I'm

2204
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 1: charging every charging the room six o nine.

2205
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 3: What you want?

2206
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 1: You want burger fries?

2207
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 3: You want to drink? Yeah?

2208
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:14,240
Speaker 1: Your wife and kids need anything? Oh yeah, we get you.

2209
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:16,479
Speaker 3: I remember that. I remember them day.

2210
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:19,800
Speaker 1: They got your boy, they got your boy, they got you,

2211
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 1: they got me. Yeah, they got me. What you call him?

2212
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 1: You know, I went over there back there. You know

2213
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 1: it was the Buffalo with heavy Thurman, Thomas Bruises, Biscuit

2214
01:48:30,680 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 1: uh Carnelia's Bennett, Jim the Jim Kelly with Jim Kelly.

2215
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, Jim, you're not a rookie, Jim buying everybody.

2216
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:40,360
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly if the great. He might have been the

2217
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 1: greatest Pro Bow teammate because he's there for everything. I

2218
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 1: don't know what he was with the quarterback, but they

2219
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 1: just benevolent. They you want to drink, bro I don't

2220
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:55,720
Speaker 1: even drink. But okay, so so you know, so you

2221
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:59,360
Speaker 1: don't feel like you I'm turning you down. Sure I'll

2222
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 1: take one. But it's great. And that's the best part

2223
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:06,599
Speaker 1: about it. That's the thing that you know, Uh, going

2224
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:08,960
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl meeting, the guys get an opportunity

2225
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:11,599
Speaker 1: to sit around and talk and meet their family. Oh

2226
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:13,639
Speaker 1: this is my mom, this is my dad, and take

2227
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 1: the pictures with their brothers and sisters, and uh.

2228
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:19,560
Speaker 3: That was That was a great experience for me and

2229
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 3: seeing people out of that element.

2230
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2231
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and actually I think the first time actually seeing

2232
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:29,880
Speaker 3: ray Lewis well, me and ray knew each other for years.

2233
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:33,880
Speaker 3: But seeing Peyton Manning, Yes, Peyton Manning being Okay, this

2234
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:35,800
Speaker 3: is not the same Peyton I saw throughout the season.

2235
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,320
Speaker 3: This isn't the same Peyton that does the interviews. Seeing

2236
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:41,800
Speaker 3: Peyton Manning be Peyton Manning and not having to be

2237
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:45,200
Speaker 3: politically correct yes, answer the questions with a mic in

2238
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:49,599
Speaker 3: front of his face was one of the most enjoyable moments. Like, oh, Ship,

2239
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:53,680
Speaker 3: these dudes are normal, they know, they just they just

2240
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:55,880
Speaker 3: like they just like me, you know in a sense.

2241
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:58,200
Speaker 3: And the fact that they always have to mask it

2242
01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 3: once you playing football and once you're putting the helmet

2243
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:03,439
Speaker 3: on like that has to be that has to be

2244
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:06,920
Speaker 3: draining to actually change like a comedian and be someone

2245
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 3: we just can't be you.

2246
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm trying to think. I think my last

2247
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:19,599
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, I think Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Steve

2248
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:21,799
Speaker 1: McNair rest his soul might have been my quarterback?

2249
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:25,200
Speaker 3: Wait you was there? Wait where you was out? The one?

2250
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:29,800
Speaker 1: Okay, my last year in Baltimore one my last year,

2251
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:34,120
Speaker 1: My last year in Baltimore. Oh, I had some great ones.

2252
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:38,479
Speaker 1: I mean I played with uh Marino, l Way, Kelly,

2253
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 1: Warren Moon. Oh, Joe Montana was my quarterback.

2254
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:45,240
Speaker 3: What year? What year?

2255
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:50,160
Speaker 1: I think it was Danny, Joe Montana and Moon. I

2256
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:55,559
Speaker 1: had l Way, Kelly and Marino. Oh God, damn, hey

2257
01:50:56,720 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 1: your boy.

2258
01:50:57,880 --> 01:50:58,040
Speaker 3: Hey.

2259
01:50:58,400 --> 01:50:59,920
Speaker 1: I went on to try to get me one catch.

2260
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:01,599
Speaker 1: That's all I want to do. Get me one catch.

2261
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:03,720
Speaker 1: Let my grandma see me catch a pass and.

2262
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 3: Get out again out of that thing.

2263
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:08,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh oh oh, joe. Let me tell you what happened.

2264
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:13,160
Speaker 1: One year in ninety six, Jacksonville had beat us. So

2265
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:15,719
Speaker 1: it was ninety Jacksonville had beat us in the playoffs.

2266
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:18,160
Speaker 1: And so it was me and Coats or the tight ends.

2267
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 1: And you know it's Ben Coats. Yeah, now you know

2268
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,960
Speaker 1: it's only two tight ends and were running double tight.

2269
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:29,599
Speaker 1: Were running two tight ends. Now we got we got,

2270
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,720
Speaker 1: I said, bro, why was it? Come on, man, now,

2271
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 1: mind you. I ain't got no contract. I'm a free agent,

2272
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:38,960
Speaker 1: right man, And I say, I said, looking, man, y'all

2273
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:41,559
Speaker 1: need to stop running this type double tight stuff. I'm

2274
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:43,439
Speaker 1: gonna play the first being gonna play the second. I'm

2275
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:45,599
Speaker 1: gonna take it the third band bring me home. Right,

2276
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:48,320
Speaker 1: They kept running double tight. I went and got me

2277
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:50,160
Speaker 1: two bags LIFs and put on my knees. I said, man,

2278
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 1: you got it. The rest of the way, they come on, sharp,

2279
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 1: don't do. I tell you, m M sharp done.

2280
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:00,200
Speaker 3: Hey, don't play with that money. I ain't even he

2281
01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:05,639
Speaker 3: had Oh no, mm hmmmmm oh Man.

2282
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:08,840
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Dermondy and Dawson to tell you,

2283
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 1: he pulled his hamstring at the Pro Bowl and he

2284
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:11,840
Speaker 1: was never the same.

2285
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:14,080
Speaker 3: Wait, he was going full speed.

2286
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:16,720
Speaker 1: Try to kise somebody on the interception. I think he

2287
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:24,080
Speaker 1: tried to catch time. Yeah, look it up, Dermody Dawson, Yeah,

2288
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:26,920
Speaker 1: oh man. But you but you have to understand Ojo

2289
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:30,320
Speaker 1: back then, guys, would I mean, you know, back then

2290
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 1: the winning the winning prize was ten thousand. The losers

2291
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 1: got five thousand, right, So by the time you brought

2292
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:39,320
Speaker 1: everybody over there, that five thousand was gone. That ten

2293
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:40,759
Speaker 1: thousand was gone. That's gone.

2294
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:41,559
Speaker 3: That's gone.

2295
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:46,599
Speaker 1: Now come come third come, fourth quarter. Oh Brusie core test.

2296
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:52,080
Speaker 1: They're coming down. Hey they them been bull driving for

2297
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:54,360
Speaker 1: three quarter. Lot of money on the line.

2298
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's how it was. That that's how

2299
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 3: he was too. It was the same way.

2300
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:04,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh it was. And you know in practice, you know, guys,

2301
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, T time, T time, rest your soul. Junior said, man,

2302
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:12,000
Speaker 1: I want to play tight end. Okay, hey he playing

2303
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 1: tight and he playing tight end. I'm playing linebacker. Coach

2304
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:18,120
Speaker 1: Coplin called him practice off because we had all the

2305
01:53:18,160 --> 01:53:23,360
Speaker 1: defensive playing, wanting to play the position. He's like, we're

2306
01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:26,479
Speaker 1: not getting anything done. He called, hey, take it in. Okay,

2307
01:53:27,600 --> 01:53:28,639
Speaker 1: we booked him out of there.

2308
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 3: That's that's all it come down to. That's all it

2309
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:35,080
Speaker 3: come down to. When you finally find that franchise quarterback,

2310
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:37,400
Speaker 3: all you have to do is bill around him. Because

2311
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 3: they had the weapons, he had the support and cast,

2312
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 3: you got the running backs, you got the Deontay Johnson, and.

2313
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:49,160
Speaker 1: Got the attitude, the attitude fist for Joe. I mean,

2314
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:54,240
Speaker 1: let's let's let's think about why they're upset. I understand

2315
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:55,320
Speaker 1: why you just mentioned it.

2316
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:57,840
Speaker 3: You just you just said it out yourself. You just said,

2317
01:53:58,640 --> 01:53:59,759
Speaker 3: we all have fished.

2318
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:03,160
Speaker 1: Ohyo, we've all been in situation where the quarterback was

2319
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 1: less than ideal, right right, right, but that's frustrating. So

2320
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure you got upset too when your quarterback was lessening.

2321
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:14,320
Speaker 1: Well you got lucky. Well, shit, you had God damned

2322
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:15,680
Speaker 1: John Alway, I did.

2323
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:18,960
Speaker 3: I had, I had, you was fortunate. Everybody wasn't as

2324
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:20,479
Speaker 3: fortunate as you was when they played.

2325
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:23,320
Speaker 1: I played fourteen years. I had John for nine of

2326
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:26,960
Speaker 1: those years, and also John miss half the season one year.

2327
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:30,200
Speaker 1: But I understand oh, your hair's the thing for me.

2328
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 1: I always tried to put on a positive because I

2329
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:37,200
Speaker 1: didn't want the younger guys to think that behavior was acceptable.

2330
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 3: Right right, right.

2331
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:42,440
Speaker 1: I always I came to work. I was a professionally

2332
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 1: at all times. I came to work on time, I

2333
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:47,440
Speaker 1: went to meeting on time. I practiced hard. I did

2334
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:49,600
Speaker 1: what I was supposed to because I wanted to show

2335
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:52,640
Speaker 1: the younger guys this is what it takes to be successful.

2336
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:55,120
Speaker 1: You want to have a long career, you want to win,

2337
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:58,240
Speaker 1: this is what you need to do. Yeah, I got frustrated.

2338
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:00,760
Speaker 1: O yo, Yes I want the ball. Yes, I believe

2339
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:02,720
Speaker 1: I could help this team out of the funk if

2340
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:05,440
Speaker 1: I were to get the ball. But I mean, I

2341
01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:08,120
Speaker 1: just want to know what was pouting and throwing helm

2342
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:10,360
Speaker 1: if and throwing water coolers? What the hell was that

2343
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:10,960
Speaker 1: gonna help?

2344
01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:11,360
Speaker 3: That?

2345
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 1: Would?

2346
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Speaker 3: Everyone won't get to the ball, but being able to

2347
01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 3: It's hard for receivers when you get frustrated. Yeah, and

2348
01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:25,840
Speaker 3: you sometimes your emotions get the best of you. You know.

2349
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:29,600
Speaker 3: I'm I'm trying to think, have I ever ever gotten

2350
01:55:29,680 --> 01:55:31,920
Speaker 3: like that on the sideline? I think maybeah, once, yeah,

2351
01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:34,600
Speaker 3: maybe once? Yes? Because I was one that didn't want

2352
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:36,240
Speaker 3: to show up any of my teammates. I didn't want

2353
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:39,520
Speaker 3: to show exactly. So I was able to control it

2354
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 3: because I knew the camera was always on me, so

2355
01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:43,480
Speaker 3: I kind of kind of kept it mellow, even though

2356
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 3: I was frustrated on the inside. Yeah, tell, but my

2357
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:48,360
Speaker 3: body language when things weren't going well or they were

2358
01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:50,440
Speaker 3: allowing another team to dictate whether I can get the

2359
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:52,920
Speaker 3: ball or not, and that shit really pissed me off.

2360
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 3: That just really pissed me up. That grinded my goddamn testicles.

2361
01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:58,560
Speaker 3: When they allowed another team to dictate whether I can

2362
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:01,400
Speaker 3: get off or not. That bothers me. We did not

2363
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,280
Speaker 3: game plan and have meetings for hours and hours and

2364
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:06,920
Speaker 3: hours of practice and watch hours and hours of film

2365
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:09,920
Speaker 3: to come out here on a Sunday and tell them, well,

2366
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:11,920
Speaker 3: if you play this defense, we can't get the ball

2367
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:14,720
Speaker 3: eighty five. That don't sit right with me. That just

2368
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:17,520
Speaker 3: don't sit right with me, because if that's the case,

2369
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:19,560
Speaker 3: then I ain't need the goddamn practicef you're gonna let

2370
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:22,080
Speaker 3: them do me like that. That's just my mindset and

2371
01:56:22,120 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 3: the way I thought. You know, but I mean that's

2372
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:26,000
Speaker 3: neither here nor there.

2373
01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:29,680
Speaker 1: But I just and the thing is like, I'm a

2374
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:32,880
Speaker 1: big believe in that showing up the quarterback also and

2375
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:36,680
Speaker 1: never that, never that, never see, that was the relationship

2376
01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:39,120
Speaker 1: that I had with John. I was never gonna show

2377
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:41,520
Speaker 1: him up. All I askeaid, Look, give me an opportunity

2378
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 1: to protect myself because I'm gonna do I'm gonna do

2379
01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:45,520
Speaker 1: my best to come down with it or it's gonna

2380
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:48,160
Speaker 1: be incomplete. And I'm never I'm never. I'm never gonna

2381
01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:48,960
Speaker 1: give up on a plate.

2382
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:53,120
Speaker 3: And so he did. He didn't like if he missed you,

2383
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:59,160
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, matter of fact, yo, I did that

2384
01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:02,760
Speaker 3: once the cart we were playing, we were playing the Steelers.

2385
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:06,160
Speaker 3: He overshot the ball. He overshot it, or it was

2386
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:08,040
Speaker 3: it was out of reason. I was wide open and

2387
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:10,840
Speaker 3: I took my chest strap and I snapped that bitch

2388
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:13,400
Speaker 3: soon as as soon as the uh soon as the

2389
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:15,920
Speaker 3: ball you know it was it was out of reach. Man.

2390
01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:17,040
Speaker 1: I walked back, walked.

2391
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:19,120
Speaker 3: Back to the huddle that Nigga Carson said, Man, if

2392
01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:21,360
Speaker 3: you ever motherfucker do some ship like that again, I

2393
01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:23,240
Speaker 3: won't throw your ass a ball the rest of the game.

2394
01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:23,760
Speaker 1: That's what.

2395
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:26,760
Speaker 3: You like.

2396
01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:29,880
Speaker 1: You like, you like you like catching football I like yo,

2397
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 1: he said, you won't get no more.

2398
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:34,960
Speaker 3: Listen. I ain't never seen Nae snap on me like that.

2399
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 1: One time.

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01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:38,480
Speaker 3: I never forget. We was playing the Steelers, and the

2401
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:41,680
Speaker 3: fact that when we're playing the Steelers, the balls and

2402
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 3: opportunities I'm gonna get are already slimmed to none because

2403
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:47,160
Speaker 3: they when I come out of the huddle, they are

2404
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:50,040
Speaker 3: making the defensive play call based on where I line up,

2405
01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:53,280
Speaker 3: So I already know the two or three balls or

2406
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:56,000
Speaker 3: fox balls I might get. I got to make the most.

2407
01:57:58,120 --> 01:58:00,880
Speaker 3: And when he missed that one, man, I snapped my

2408
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 3: motherfucker chint struck walking back to the huddle, and man,

2409
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:07,680
Speaker 3: he came into my face mask and said, manyever, motherfucking

2410
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:11,200
Speaker 3: showed me up like that again. You'll never catch a

2411
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:15,840
Speaker 3: motherfucking ball again. I ain't. I ain't even say nothing.

2412
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:19,720
Speaker 3: The prime time game. It was a prime time game. Yeah,

2413
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:22,800
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I hope, I hope when we edit, I

2414
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:24,200
Speaker 3: hope somebody could find that clip.

2415
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what.

2416
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:27,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a good reference.

2417
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Johnny John didn't play that, and so I always

2418
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:32,320
Speaker 1: made sure I was like, hey, bro, don't do that,

2419
01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:34,560
Speaker 1: don't do that. That is what that is what that

2420
01:58:34,720 --> 01:58:36,080
Speaker 1: is what we do, right.

2421
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:40,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, I lost myself though that one time. I

2422
01:58:40,120 --> 01:58:41,240
Speaker 3: lost myself that one time.

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01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:44,320
Speaker 1: But see that's that's that's the thing though, Oho is

2424
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:47,200
Speaker 1: that I didn't show him up. And when I dropped

2425
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:51,720
Speaker 1: the past or, I did something. Hey side, we talked

2426
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:53,800
Speaker 1: about the sidelight or. We talked about that in the

2427
01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:56,240
Speaker 1: meeting room. He's like, Hey, I need you a little

2428
01:58:56,240 --> 01:58:58,280
Speaker 1: deeper on this one right here. I need your you know,

2429
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:01,280
Speaker 1: so forth, and so we had a conversation because I

2430
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:03,640
Speaker 1: know he didn't like me to show him up, but

2431
01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 1: he knows that you Hey, all that yelling and cursing talk, yo,

2432
01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:13,240
Speaker 1: walk about you talking to you like that? I know,

2433
01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:17,000
Speaker 1: damn well you are talking to me like badly. So

2434
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:19,480
Speaker 1: we had a we had a great relationship. We had

2435
01:59:19,480 --> 01:59:22,120
Speaker 1: a great understanding of the things that how we talk,

2436
01:59:22,240 --> 01:59:24,720
Speaker 1: how we communicated with each other to get each other's

2437
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:25,320
Speaker 1: point across

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01:59:27,160 --> 01:59:27,760
Speaker 3: The volume.