1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this the 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. It's the top 10 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: of the week in the most wonderful month leading up 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: to the most wonderful time of the year, which means 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: it's time for some strange news, some of which will 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: be of a spooky variety. And if you, like us, 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: are fans horror, then you will definitely want to listen 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: to another show immediately after this podcast, Fellow conspiracy realist, 16 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: it's official. Thirteen Days of Halloween Season two is out now, 17 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: waiting to frighten the ever loving I don't know gob 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: smacks out of your ear holes. Oh that's my spooky 19 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: howl exam part of this project because it's awesome. Guys. Yeah, 20 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: it's out. It'll be coming to you one episode per 21 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: day until Halloween from this point forward, So go check 22 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: it out. Uh just look, we we were a coy 23 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: about it the other day. It starts Katheen to Jimmy 24 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: that you may recognize from sister act in hocus Pocus 25 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: and King of the Hill and a bunch of other shows, 26 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: as well as Bethany and Lynde who was in Ozarks 27 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: and Doom Patrol and a bunch of other awesome things. 28 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: So so you will enjoy it. And Ben again wrote 29 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: one of the episodes, and it's stars some of our 30 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: some of our other fellow friends of the show. You 31 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: may recognize Jonathan Strickland, who who is the creator of 32 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: tech Stuff, the one of the world's best, if not 33 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: the best, tech podcast, but he's not talking tech and 34 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: this one is he Matt's. But I'm not telling you 35 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: anything else. You gotta wait, so stay hocus focused on 36 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: that books. And you know this is good not just 37 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: because we are fans of it, folks, but because it 38 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: has some sound design and direction from our one and 39 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: only Matt Frederick along with Alex Williams, the creator of 40 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: the ephemeral show. So do check it out. Remember to 41 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: wear headphones and as Aaron always says that the top 42 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: listener discretion advised. Today. I think we're going to start 43 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: with something spooky, because one thing that everybody loves about 44 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: Halloween is uh, get in a little closer to the supernatural. 45 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: For some people, the idea of devil worshiping and satan 46 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: is is just a fun fictional trope. For other people, 47 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: the idea of anything satanic causes them to wait for it. 48 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: That's right. Panic. This is a satanic panic, folks. It 49 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: never ended. It just went out of the news for 50 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: a while. But Nola hear our lovely neighbors to the 51 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: north might be going through some things in this regard, 52 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: well a little bit. I don't know that it threes 53 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: full boned satanic panic magnitude, but it does show that 54 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: there are still people that see the devil everywhere they look. 55 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: Um people, to be precise, in Canada's province of Ontario 56 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: have signed a petition um calling for the removal of 57 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: the principle of Eden High School in uh St. Catharine's 58 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: uh and this is did she do some satanic ritual 59 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: that she was caught, you know, red handed? At You 60 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: may ask were their blood sacrifices or rituals caught on camera, 61 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: you may ask, well, no, what was caught on camera 62 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: was her love of the heavy metal band Iron Maiden. Um. 63 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: Iron Maiden, Uh, the heavy metal band that formed in 64 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: I believe the northern part of London in the late 65 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: seventies and has been kind of a mainstay in I mean, honestly, 66 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: they were like pre hair metal. They really are the 67 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: kind of the proto sound that became hair metal. But 68 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: what people usually associate with Iron Maiden are their creepy 69 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: album covers. If you listen to the band, it's really 70 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: like they've got the sounds like ron to the Heal. 71 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: It's very like shrieky, goofy hair metal vocals with like 72 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: really cool shreddy guitar. The singer, Bruce Dickinson is also 73 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: a commercial pilot, really interesting dude, very very kind of 74 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: a renaissance man um. But they've got this mascot named Eddie. 75 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: It's kind of like this um, you know, CORPSI looking 76 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: demonic figure, and all their albums throughout the years you 77 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: see Eddie in these different kind of situations scenarios like 78 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: there's one exactly Eddie the head. There's one where he's 79 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: like kind of an evil Pharaoh presiding over like this, 80 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, Horde of Egyptian kind of demonic creatures, all 81 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: illustrated like beautifully that kind of like movie poster style, 82 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: very precise illustration, super super cool stuff. But but the 83 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 1: music never to me really jibe with that. I always 84 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: saw those album covers growing up and I was like, 85 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: this band seems really dangerous and spooky, And then when 86 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: I got older and heard their music, it couldn't be 87 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: farther from the truth. They're just kind of a fun 88 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: rock and roll band, um that uses this kind of 89 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: demonic imagery for pageantry purposes, and uh, at the end 90 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: of the day, they're just there's a good time, put 91 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: on a great live show. But um, this uh principle 92 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: that we're talking about. A woman named Sharon Burns um 93 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: is a massive Maidenhead. But that's that's means something different. Sorry, 94 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: he's a fan. He's a big old iron Maid fan. 95 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: And there's a picture that she posted on Instagram. Um 96 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: it's like her hatchback car with her and her husband 97 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: with an Ontario license plate reading I R N M 98 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: A d E n uh full of Eddie paraphernalia. A 99 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: little doll kind of like a little suction cuppy type 100 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: doll and blankets like they're iously on the way to 101 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: a concert, throwing up the devil horns doing kind of 102 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: like a rock and roll open mouth pose. Um. And 103 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: this really really bothered uh one parent in particular, and 104 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: five other Uh. I'm gonna call them busybodies because I 105 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: think this is absurd, um a group of parents in 106 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: in this community. Uh. The parent question you started this petition, uh, 107 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: is named Debbie Lynn, which is a pretty Karenny name. 108 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: If you ask me not to not to, you know, 109 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: cast aspersions on any kind of type of person or 110 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: anything like that. But this is just very much like, 111 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: let me call your manager type of situation to me. 112 00:06:55,040 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: She's called for the transfer, immediate transfer of this principle. UH. 113 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: Read you a few little choice blurbs as reported by 114 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio actually the the radio station six ten 115 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: news Talk c k tb UM in Ontario. I believe 116 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: Bonnie Hesslap report on this initially, and then it's been 117 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: kind of picked up and run with um by news 118 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: outlets around the country. UM. So this is how it goes. 119 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: As concerned parents with impressionable children at Eden High School 120 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: in St. Catharine's Ontario. We are deeply disturbed at the 121 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: principle assigned to the school blatantly showed Satanic symbols and 122 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: her allegiance to Satanic practices on her public social media 123 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: platforms where all the students can see them. UM under 124 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: at eden principle, not her personal account. Our school is 125 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: based on inclusion, and openly displaying Satanic symbols on a 126 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: public social media platform that directly goes against the principles 127 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: of the vast majority of families who represent the school 128 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: is not inclusive. As parents, we are demanding her transfer 129 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: to another school. Please replace her with another principle who 130 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: aligns with the values of the families at Eton and 131 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: will not sabotage the teaching or upholding of those values, 132 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: and will not try to introduce impressionable students to Satanic 133 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: practices or symbolism. UM will provide more pictures if you 134 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: have more questions. You can also see the blatant display 135 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: of the six six six symbolism and a screenshot of 136 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: her post and comments below. To certainly put one picture 137 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: on this campaign. Okay, so, so clearly the concern is 138 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: not actually about children, because if this person was somehow dangerous. 139 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: Sending them to another school would just give them a 140 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: new pool of victims for their dark master. Also, six 141 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: is widely misunderstood. It's actually we don't have to get 142 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: into the history of it um. And I don't want 143 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: to be rude to a stranger that we have never met. 144 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna name some things and see, let's 145 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: see if we can guess the category one COVID deaths 146 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: to climate refugees, three widespread starvation of five wealth or 147 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: four wealth inequality, and five apparently uh the low standards 148 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: for bath that many public schools of which I am 149 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: a result. But those are those are just five things 150 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: that I think should maybe be prioritized a little more 151 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: over someone's shirt, right, Yeah, I I tend to agree. 152 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: And um, you know the I think the main issue 153 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: that was taken by this this parent was not necessarily 154 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: her fandom for Iron Maiden was more a but she 155 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: was using her like school associated social media account. What 156 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: that even means, I don't know, Like Eden principle, I 157 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: guess that is sort of the same as like the 158 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: potent using the potus account, you know, to to talk 159 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: about personal things. Maybe that in and of itself could 160 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: be argued is inappropriate maybe, but it's her personality. UM 161 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of cool, you know, displaying 162 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: one's personality, letting her her her freak flag fly, and 163 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: showing that she is someone who uh clearly is all 164 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: about inclusion. She's not a stereotypical coal person that you 165 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: would think of as as a as a school principle. Um. 166 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: In fact, the interesting part about this is that there 167 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: is a counter um petition that was started by supporters 168 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: of of this principle that has over fifteen hundreds of signatures. Uh. 169 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: And this is how that one goes. Uh. Recently there's 170 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: been a petition going around to remove the principle of 171 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: Eden High School. It is ridiculous that a couple of 172 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: parents only judge her role as a principle only based 173 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: on an Instagram post about liking the band Iron Main. 174 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: That's it. Eden High School is a public school, not 175 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: a Christian school. If you somehow don't like the principle 176 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: of your child, grandchild, relative, etcetera school, then send them 177 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: to another one. The principle has made so many efforts 178 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: to remind students that Eden is a diverse place. She 179 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: has even turned a whole room into a prayer room 180 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: for students who are practicing religions other than Christianity, like Islam. 181 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: She has made Eden a safe place for so many students. 182 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: She spreads nothing but love and kindness. Is probably one 183 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: of the best and most enthusiastic principles of the school 184 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: has ever had. If you would like to bring some 185 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: light to this whole petition, please consider signing UM sounds 186 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: like a pretty good egg to me, especially with the 187 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: whole You know, again, if inclusion is their their bag, 188 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: it would it would appear she has made efforts to, 189 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, make that a priority in terms of allowing 190 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: students to not feel mothered or to feel isolated if 191 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: they're practicing different religions and giving them safe space and 192 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: all of that. UM six six six in this context, 193 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, I know, there's lots of different interpretations of 194 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: it been, but you know, it's it's it's often called 195 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: the number of the beast uh and it is certainly 196 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: used in a lot of horror films and you know, 197 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: you know, death metal music and things like that as 198 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: a nod to Satan or to you know, some kind 199 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: of form of Satan worship, but even as we know 200 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,479 Speaker 1: Satan worshiping in and of itself is often widely misunderstood 201 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: the idea of being a Satanist is not one who 202 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: performs black masses and worships the Dark Lord. It's more 203 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: of a protest religion where people tend to try to 204 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: troll people like this woman, let me let me get 205 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: in front of the email here too. Uh it's the 206 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: number that east is also the name of Iron Maiden's 207 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: third album. So I'm sorry, I was getting to that 208 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: nailed it, and so in her use of that, she 209 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: is just letting her Iron Maiden fandom flag fly. It 210 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: is not as this um this this parent would suggest 211 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: some reference to Satan worship. And again, like, if you 212 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: actually listen to the music of Iron Maiden, it's all 213 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: very tongue in cheek and very kind of goofy. I 214 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: don't think anyone would hear that music and be scared 215 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: for a second. It's almost comical, how shrieky and uh 216 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: you know hair metally, the vocals of Priuce Dickinson are 217 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: and great guitar manees, which is a word a friend 218 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: of mine made up for guitar harmonies. Um, very cool, classic, 219 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: just like good old heavy metal music. Um, but yeah, 220 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: I don't think this is going to spread. It seems 221 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: like it's been nipped in the bud um shut down 222 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: quite significantly. I mean it's a small town and a 223 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: people are in support and only five or again, I 224 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: would hope that the supporters will win out. But Matt, 225 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: you know you grew up going to Christian school or 226 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: at least in a devout Christian household. Um, I know you. 227 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: You probably were in a place in your life where 228 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: maybe you could have mistook this kind of thing or 229 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: been around people that might have you. Can you maybe 230 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: speak to the kind of be the devil's advocate here 231 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: as it were, I mean kind of. But I also 232 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: don't want to defend people who would tear try to 233 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: tear down a principle because of the music she listens 234 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: to and or her personal beliefs. If she's an effective principle. Yeah, 235 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: I know why that would make some people uncomfortable, simply 236 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: because they don't have all of the information and of 237 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: all the context. They have got some symbols that are 238 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: represented there that mean things that they do not like 239 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: and they believe are bad because that's what they've been taught. 240 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: And then that's what it gets boiled down to. I 241 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: would just say, go flyers, and uh, I hope, I 242 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: hope you'all kick butt in whatever sport it is that 243 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: you're doing. I think that's the name of their schools. Yeah, 244 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: I think it's one of their teams. I think it's 245 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: synchronized rugby, which is the like synchronized swimming and rugby. Well, 246 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: keep playing rugby in formation basically right. Yeah, you already 247 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: know who's going to win. It's more about the spectacle 248 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: of it. But but yeah, great team. I think they're 249 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: up for the championships this year. And ms Burns did 250 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: remove these photos and she probably thought better of it 251 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: in some way that maybe using that account in this 252 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: way was maybe not bad, but was gonna get her 253 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: in some hot water with certain folks. And she took 254 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: it down. And then of course, you know, the folks 255 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: that are against her could use that even as like 256 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: I mean, they should be like, see, she knew it 257 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: was wrong, she took it down. Um, she is uh, 258 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, wicked in some way. But yeah, oh gosh. 259 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: Iron made by the Way formed in nineteen seventy five, 260 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: not in North London but in East London. Um, and 261 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: even like their their albums like Fear of the Dark, 262 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: Dance of Death and The Final Frontier, and you see 263 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: Eddie and all kinds of configurations. It's like it's like 264 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: LEPrecon or something. It's like he goes to space. You know, 265 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: he's hanging out and like Egypt. There's all kinds of 266 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: amazing configurations that Eddie has has been been shown in UM. 267 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, that was really it. I think this mentality 268 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: is largely seen for what it is now, which is 269 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: kind of absurd and and like you said, Matt, not 270 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: reading the room and not seeing the full context. But 271 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: it is interesting to see that this is still something 272 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: that people get, uh get back out of shape about. 273 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: So all the best to miss Burns and uh shame 274 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: on you to the one mom that put out the subsition. Now, 275 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm kay whatever feel the way you feel. But it 276 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: does appear that this woman is is a lovely human being. 277 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: So we'll take a break me back with some more 278 00:15:50,440 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: strange news. And we have returned. We're Abilene, South, folks, 279 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: but not too too far south. We're going to Maryland, 280 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: where recently things went very poorly for an employee of 281 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: the U. S. Navy as well as his spouse. You've 282 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: heard about spycraft before. And apologies to all the conspiracy 283 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: realists who have asked me questions that I cannot answer 284 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: through social TDA. But I do love hearing from you 285 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: or on stage with harmon that. So, so we've all heard, 286 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: we've all heard the tropes. You know, as somebody in 287 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: a fedora or trill be there reading a paper, someone else, 288 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: as stranger, sits next to them. That person for the 289 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: first person gets up right and they leave. They forget 290 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,479 Speaker 1: their paper, and inside their papers a message or a payment, etcetera, etcetera. 291 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: This sort of stuff does still happen. The old school, 292 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: we could call it the analog. Spycraft still happens because 293 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: it works. There is an advantage to antiquity. There's an 294 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: advantage to being off law. But this guy, despite his efforts, 295 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: was not able to get away with being a spy. 296 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: His name Jonathan to Webby. Jonathan to Webby was doing 297 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: pretty well. He was a Navy employee assigned to the 298 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: Naval Nuclear Propulsion Programmed where he worked as a nuclear engineer. 299 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: This kind of stuff means you have to have a 300 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: top notch security clearance, top secret security clearance through the 301 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: d d U S Department in Defense. And you also 302 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: have to have a Q clearance from the Department of Energy, which, 303 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: as we discussed before, not related to Q and on 304 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: not really, it's just a different thing. So this gives 305 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: a podcast by Jake Hanrahan, This gives him to Webby, 306 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: not Jake. This gives him access to all kinds very serious, 307 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: serious stuff, and he got used in a semi hilarious way. 308 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: On April one, he sent a package filled with quote 309 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: a sample of restricted data. I'm getting this from the 310 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: criminal complaint the State Department filed against him, a sample 311 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: of restricted data to an unidentified foreign government sort of 312 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: Hey guys, let me show you what I can do. 313 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 1: And there's more where that came from. This is just 314 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: the touch, just the taste. Uh. And he also said, 315 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: you know, if we can work something out financially, I 316 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: will allow you are named foreign government, to buy more 317 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: information about nuclear subs for me. Uh. He also is 318 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: alleged to have written this in the language that this 319 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: government was using and apologizing for his poor translation, asking 320 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: him to forward this to military intelligence, saying it's not 321 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: a hoax. Several months later, he starts exchanging encrypted emails. 322 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: He thinks the conversation with this foreign country is continuing 323 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: and it's progressing. In June of this year, not too 324 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: long ago, this representative that it was emailing sent him 325 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: ten grand in crypto, ten grand in the Naro cryptocurrency 326 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: as kind of like, okay, let's get started, let's grease 327 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 1: the wheels, you know, let's start firing up the engines. 328 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: And then a couple of weeks after that, Toebby went 329 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: to a place in West Virginia, Jefferson County with his wife, Diana, 330 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: and they left a peanut butter sandwich, a half half 331 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: of a peanut butter sandwich at this dead drop. And 332 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: if you open the sandwich you would see there was 333 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: an SD card wrapped in plastic to keep the PB out, 334 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: and it was filled with thousands and thousands and thousands 335 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: of pages of info about submarines and nuclear reactors, specifically 336 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: the nuclear reactors that are positioned on submarines. How did 337 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: they get there, how they work? How can you make 338 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: a sub not blow up by putting one of these 339 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: bad boys in? So things were going, okay, desperate times. 340 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: You know, they've got kids, everybody's worried about college. So 341 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: they may be resorted to some unethical things, but they 342 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: didn't do a lot of due diligence. It was their 343 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: first time around the block. It turns out this unnamed 344 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: foreign country representative that they thought they were talking to 345 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: was indeed a representative of a country, but it wasn't foreign. 346 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: He's a representative of the FBI. And so they got 347 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: caught with a feedut butter sandwich. I know, these people's 348 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: lives are ruined, but a peanut butter sandwich. Come on, Like, 349 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: you don't want to hide stuff like that and food 350 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: unless you're trying to poison somebody. People are wild. People 351 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: will eat random sandwiches that they find in the field. 352 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's just not thinking ahead. 353 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: No exactly what I was gonna ask you what you 354 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: thought their uh, their inspiration behind this was or why 355 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: they they maybe thought this was a good idea. Yeah, 356 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: it's a good question. So this is so. Typically people 357 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: who turn turn the spycraft in this kind of way 358 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: are motivated by usually one of three things. One they 359 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: need financial help. Two, whomever is is running them has 360 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: some leverage on them, some kind of like steal dossier, 361 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: but probably not that probably not that in depth. Or three, 362 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: it's an ideological thing. And number one and number three, 363 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: those folks are gonna tend to be proactive. They're gonna 364 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: go find an embassy or find a representative and say, hey, 365 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: I've got this, I need some money, or hey I've 366 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: got this I believe in you know, insert ideology here. 367 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: Number number two. Uh, those folks can often be the 368 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: most dependable because they they have the leverage is something 369 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: that directly affects them. You can pay off somebody who's 370 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: financially motivated and you can turn them pretty easily. You 371 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: can also probably get in the head of someone who's 372 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: ideologically motivated. But if you have someone who has uh 373 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: some skeletons in their closet in our case, in my apartment, 374 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: you know you can you can count on them because 375 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: it's gonna personally directly affect them. I think these folks 376 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: were definitely financially motivated. Uh. They started. They didn't get 377 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: busted right when, right when they pulled that sandwich move. 378 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: In fact, the FBI gave him another twenty grand in crypto, 379 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: and then they made another drop. This time it was 380 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: in a band aid rapper and they put another They 381 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: ended up dropping three in all, and they were working 382 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: with the FBI the whole time. Unknowingly, they put one 383 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: in a package of chewing gum, and the FBI just 384 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: kept upping the amount of money they sent him. So 385 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: he got seventy grand for that one. So all in 386 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: all he's going around a hundred grand, which means it 387 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: has to be money. And his spouse wasn't she She 388 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: is a school teacher at a private school in Annapolis. 389 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: She was allegedly serving just as a lookout, like, hey, hon, 390 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure no one is looking sketchy 391 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: while you dropped this sandwich for this gum or this 392 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: band aid rapper. So my question for you guys is 393 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: why do I think I know the answerer? But I 394 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: want to ask you guys, why do you think it's 395 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: still an unnamed foreign country. Why do you think no 396 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: one is publicly reporting who the Twoebbes thought they were 397 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: interacting with. They don't want to embarrass China and further 398 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: those tensions. That's right there. There was there a whole 399 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: thing right now with nuclear subs and like Australia, I 400 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: believe wasn't there like a big international kerfuffle yeah, I 401 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: tell you the whole thing. But uh, the People's Republic 402 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: has some compliment on me, so I gotta keep it, 403 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: gotta keep it low key. You gotta stay off best fiends, bro. 404 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, No, you are right. I guess the 405 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: point being is that that is a is a sensitive subject. Yeah, 406 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I believe you're referring to the recent 407 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: falling out France had with the US and Australia because 408 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,959 Speaker 1: Australia I think it was France was supposed to supply 409 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: nuclear subs to Australia and they went back on the deal. Yeah. 410 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: I My theory here is that My theory here is 411 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: that Uncle Sam doesn't want this quote unquote unnamed foreign 412 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: country to realize just how good they are at impersonating them, 413 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 1: because that means, yeah, that means that they also probably 414 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: have a couple of other fingers in the counterintelligence pie. 415 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, let's make it some different from a 416 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: pie Lasagna and the plato Zaga in the cast role 417 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: of comproment. There we go. Yeah, they're they're down, They're 418 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: down in the ricotta at this level. And this first, 419 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: this is a cautionary to being a successful spy. Is 420 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: one not as cool as movies would have people believe, 421 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: uh to it's it's also a lot more difficult than 422 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: people would believe, especially if they're coming in as civilians, 423 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: and there's honestly, there's a lot well this is I 424 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: think there's just obvious. We talked about James Bond before. 425 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: I think it's obvious for everybody. But I also think 426 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: this gives us an opportunity to talk more in depth 427 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 1: in the future about spycraft because it is an ongoing, 428 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: active nest of conspiracies, and when everything goes well, you 429 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: don't hear anything about it. And even the most chaotic 430 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: public incidences can be explained away as say, like a 431 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: drill to figure out how people might react to gas. 432 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: So we're gonna keep this short because we have a 433 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: lot to say. Spy episode is going to be a 434 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: two parter. If you have an interest in hearing specific 435 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: questions answered that are not of a personal nature, feel 436 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: free to email or contact us in advance of that 437 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: one eight three three st d w y t K 438 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: send us a good old email at conspiracy at I 439 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: heart radio dot com. We're gonna pause, We're gonna take 440 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: a ride from Baltimore to New York and we're back. 441 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: We're getting on the old m t A. Yeah, we 442 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: could just use them because they're the company that controls. Uh. 443 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: They control the subway system in New York, subsidiary of 444 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: the Oldest House. Oh snap, yes, okay, so uh we're 445 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: jumping to NBC New York and this is a very 446 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: short article, so we're gonna read quite a bit here. 447 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: The title is FEDS to deploy non toxic gas in 448 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: New York City transit locations in tests of biological attack readiness. Now, 449 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: those of you listening at home don't realize that there's 450 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: a secret prod T happening over here. Has a lot 451 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: to do with exactly what this is talking about. We're 452 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: going to share that with you at some point in 453 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: the future. This is just a little hint that something 454 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: is happening in the background that you are unaware of 455 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: right now. I can't believe this test is occurring right now, guys, 456 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: after what we've been researching. So we have discussed something 457 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: like this in the past. In fact, I believe in 458 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: two sixteen we made mention of this. I think maybe not, though, Ben, 459 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: because we didn't have an outlet like strange news to 460 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: make these kinds of like a miniature investigation into something, 461 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: But I have a feeling we've mentioned it, at least 462 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: on social media, So let's jump to exactly what's happening. 463 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: The m t A says that the Department of Homeland Security, 464 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: working alongside a team of researchers and city agencies that 465 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: Ben has some theories about, we'll deploy a non toxic 466 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: gas this month at about a hundred and twenty locations 467 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: across the city. Oh boy. Most of these locations will 468 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: be above ground, according to NBC, some including parks. A 469 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: number of below ground subway stations will also be included, 470 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: but apparently details are not available at this time as 471 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,239 Speaker 1: we record this on October twelve, the tests will be 472 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: happening this week as you hear this October through the 473 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: twenty nine, so they're at least beginning right now. They're 474 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: going to be five days of testing across that that 475 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: many from the eighteenth to the twenty nine, And I'm 476 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: not really sure when they will be occurring. I don't 477 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: know that they know. It just depends on how long 478 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: they need to allow some of these agents to kind 479 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: of filter through the whole system. And then capture all 480 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: of that data. So you know, in this article it 481 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: makes reference to strap hangers or straffingers. I'm not really 482 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: what you guys heard this. Yeah, the people on a 483 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: trader bus they've got who stand and hold on to 484 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: you do the thing. That's right. There's even like, there's 485 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: even an organization devoted to um advocating for public transit 486 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: and for using public transit in New York called the 487 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: strap Hangers Campaign. But you're right, Matt, when you look 488 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: at it as it were, it definitely appears to be straffingers. 489 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: I thought they completely misspelled strangers and like somebody, an 490 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: editor just completely missed it. I was like, all right, 491 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: because they're getting gassed. Yeah yeah, Well it says, yeah, 492 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: anybody in the vicinity UH is going to be or 493 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: could has the potential to be dosed with non toxic 494 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: agents of some sort. Again, the gas is non toxic 495 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: according to the people spraying it makes me feel better, issible. Well, 496 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: let's get into a little deeper and we'll talk about that. Well, um, 497 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: this is a quote aerosol release of a bi logical 498 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: agent in a densely populated urban environment. So it's a 499 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: simulation of this event right, and so there it says 500 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: the study will track movement of non toxic material and 501 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: the results from these tests will be used to learn 502 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: more about the relationship between airflow in street level and 503 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: underground environments. This is important because they want to see 504 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: what happens if something gets deployed above ground, does it 505 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: go down? If it gets deployed below ground, how does 506 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: it affect up there? And they also want to look 507 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: at it when using the subway system. Does it actually 508 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: reach the outer boroughs or does it stay right within 509 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: Manhattan if it's deployed within Manhattan. And it's this thing, 510 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: it's called the Urban Threat Dispersion Program, and you can 511 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: read all about it. There was a test in fact 512 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: in t that I god s where we talked about. 513 00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: You can go to DHS dot gov good luck. Go 514 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: there and you can search for Environmental Assessment of Proposed 515 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: Tracer Particle and Gas Releases. And here's where you can 516 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: read all about it. They've got two PDFs that you 517 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: can look at that are attached here. One of them, 518 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: the one that I really focused on today, was the 519 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: Final Environmental Assessment of Proposed Tracer Particle and Gas Releases. 520 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: This is one of those things that Ben. We lovingly 521 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: discussed the language within these sometimes yeah, yeah, real purple 522 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: prose there, because of the way these things are written. 523 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: They were written very very carefully, and they're very much 524 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: leaning on the technical side because they want folks to 525 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: get the impression that this is very much fact based, 526 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: that this is transparent, that nobody is trying to hide anything. 527 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: But as soon as you as soon as you dig 528 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: into the trenches of the plan, you can see how 529 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: this could be very, very disturbing. I talked to talked 530 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: to quite a few folks in New York about this. 531 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: Would you would hit to me too? It earlier Matt 532 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: and the locals are understandably a little bit miffed. Not 533 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: everyone forgot about things like operation large area coverage, operation lacked, 534 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: but but a lot of people did so for a 535 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: lot of people who aren't aware of the US is 536 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: extensive history doing very dangerous on ethical versions of this 537 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: um this scene with quote non toxic chemicals and agents 538 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: at the time quote at least they were right right, 539 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: uh and this I have a theory. You guys know 540 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: my theory. I yeah, I hope so I texted you guys, 541 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: I I have a theory going back to the idea 542 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: of satanic panic and going back to the idea of 543 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: spycraft and subterfuge. What if this is all a cover 544 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: story for something else? Uh? What if? What if? The 545 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: Because they are experts who are going down into the 546 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: bowels of New York subway system and they are being 547 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: accompanied by armed police. So what if we don't really 548 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: know what these folks are experts in. What if they're exorcist? 549 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: What if there is an ancient evil beneath the streets 550 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: of New York shout out Ghostbusters and what yes? And 551 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: what if they are waging a secret battle to to 552 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: contain whatever dwells in the darkness beneath I don't I mean, 553 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: I don't have a ton of proof, but I think 554 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: it would be cool there they're they're actually just spraying 555 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: incense and Paulo Santo saying they're out smudging. I'm interested 556 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: in the idea of particle Uh what are they called? 557 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: Tracer part of goals? It reminds me of you know, 558 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: when you get like a stress test, you go to 559 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: the doctor, they shoot you up or make you drink 560 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: this like um somewhat radioactive material. They can then track 561 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: the way it moves through your body. I'm not a scientist, 562 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: but I think that's kind of what tracer particles do. 563 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: It's some these trackable particles that are suspended within a 564 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: gas or a liquid that can show the kind of 565 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: like flow of that material. Um, But what they are 566 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: I don't quite know, like, like, are they like some 567 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: sort of ice, radioactive isotope or what? Did you get 568 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: a sense of that. There's a list of them that 569 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: you can find and has to do. Uh, it's interesting 570 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: the way it's presented in the PDF the paper. There 571 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: are several options essentially that could be used, and then yeah, 572 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: and then they're whittling them down. They're saying, we probably 573 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't use this DNA silica liquid mixture. We probably wouldn't 574 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: use the visor light ever. The f that is it's 575 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: a powder. They're looking at s F six or perhaps 576 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: p F t s maybe some stamp. I don't know. 577 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: They've they've write it all out here, and when you 578 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: go through it you can actually see. Sorry, my dog 579 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: injured her toe and she's got one of these giant 580 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: cones on her head and she's just rummaging around my room, 581 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 1: just rubbing it on things. Accidentally and bumping into stuff. 582 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: So I apologize. I's here. Yeah, that's great, that's great. 583 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: I think all of our pets have made appearance on 584 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: the show at some point over the pandemic. You're You're right, though, 585 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: there they do have. Again, the aim is to be transparent, right, 586 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: so that they don't encourage speculation into the secret war 587 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: between good and evil taking place beneath the big apples. 588 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: So this is this is stuff like I'm not let 589 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: go of it. This is stuff like you know, you 590 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: mentioned sfs. That's sulfur, hecks of fluoride. So people who 591 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: are concerned about exposure to things that are like fluoride 592 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,959 Speaker 1: may not react super well to that kind of news. 593 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: They might conflate it with something else, you know. Um, 594 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: but but these are the are is it sulfur the 595 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: stuff that makes your voice go really low? Oh? Is it? 596 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: Is it? I think? So that's cool. It's like the 597 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: opposite of helium. Oh, man, I believe that's what it does. 598 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: I believe you are right. You are right, man. Is 599 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: that contained in nitrous oxide? Because I've always heard that 600 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: that makes your voice kind of sound low? H Maybe 601 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: that it's sulfur. It's just a very heavy gas, right, 602 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 1: so it just h helium, but high exposure to it 603 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: is dangerous. You can get headaches, dizziness, you can even suffocate, 604 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: and worst case scenarios, people can get seizures and go 605 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 1: into comas. So they are there's a lot of time 606 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: spent trying to figure out what the threshold is, like, 607 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: what is the minimum amount of this stuff we can 608 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: use to reliably trace its pattern the way that um 609 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: the way that some oceanographers traced currents in the Pacific 610 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: Ocean with those rubber ducks. Remember that when that cargo 611 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: ship went overboard. Yeah, so this is this is with 612 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: the the legos. Remember the shipping container dumped legos and 613 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: they ended up on this one particular beach exactly. And 614 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: that's what that's what they're they're attempting to do. And 615 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: is it Are they getting information that is important? Yes, yes, 616 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: if everything goes well, they are. Because nobody wants a 617 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: case of a biological agent release. Well, most of the people, 618 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: the people of New York at least, don't want a 619 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: biological agent released in the in the subway, and the 620 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: subway is also very very old. There's a water table problem, 621 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: like they have to have these pumps running continually. New 622 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: York City is a machine. If something gums up the works, 623 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,399 Speaker 1: it's inevitably going to create a domino effect totally. Hey, 624 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: you know what else is going to be in here, 625 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: potentially per flora carbons p fcs. Uh, those are fine. 626 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: Those are great, don't worry about it. It's all good, 627 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: um interesting stuff there. So you, guys, I want to 628 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: read a tiny bit of this because I hear what 629 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: you're saying, Ben, like it's all under this. It's not. 630 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say, guys. Maybe it's a guy's I don't know, 631 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: a guy's of protecting. We just know that they've done 632 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: this so many different times throughout the course of the years. 633 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: It's almost like they just need to do an update 634 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: to the data they've already collected or something. You know, 635 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,879 Speaker 1: we've updated the subway in certain ways. In other ways, 636 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: it's very much the same um, mostly with airflow and 637 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: then new stations I'm assuming, and a couple of other 638 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,720 Speaker 1: variables that they want to test here. But I also 639 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: know they've probably just got some some budget that they 640 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: need to spend, you know, yeah, which will be which 641 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: which will hopefully be a nice reference to a couple 642 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,439 Speaker 1: of our fellow conspiracy realists. Ben, I love that you're 643 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: going full weird with your theories today. This is is 644 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: it's been a good day. Oh we have we have 645 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: to It's the time is now. You have to be 646 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: the weird you want to see in the world. I don't. 647 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: And also I don't think they're all, you know, necessarily 648 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: Judeo Christian exorcists. We don't know. We've got to get 649 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: down there. Unclear. There are people at the m t 650 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: A are probably rolling their eyes so hard at us 651 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: right now. They're like, please stop stop scaring the public 652 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,720 Speaker 1: so we can do our weird experiments underground. Exactly. Please 653 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: just let us get on with it. I just want 654 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: to read this the just speaking of that language, and 655 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: then we can get out of this. They say the 656 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 1: goal of this program is to increase resilience against potential 657 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,879 Speaker 1: chemical or biological agent attacks by testing, evaluating detection technologies 658 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: and mitigation or response strategies to reduce agent propagation in 659 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: several locations within the New York City subway system. That's 660 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: a sentence. In order to evaluate the performance of both 661 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: sensor technologies and response strategies. D H S N S 662 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 1: and T proposes to disseminate safe stimulant or tracer materials 663 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,280 Speaker 1: that mimic key properties of biological and chemical agents of concern. 664 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 1: Performance data would be gathered regarding the performance of newly 665 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: installed sensors e g. Example, maintenance cost, frequency of false 666 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 1: alarms in the probability and time to detect a potential 667 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: threat after the testing events. Easy to read, easy to understand. 668 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: Check it out DHS dot gov. Check it out for 669 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 1: a little bit of light reading. And then also to 670 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,720 Speaker 1: be fair, of course, you can see in these reports 671 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: that Matt sites uh the list of people who have 672 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: prepared this, the list of what are called stakeholders, everybody involved. 673 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,399 Speaker 1: It's it's most of the folks who would expect, you know, 674 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: transit for New Jersey and then t A and law enforcement. 675 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 1: But still some people are going to be spooked. Perhaps 676 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: even more importantly, they're going to be inconvenience. At least 677 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people are forced to travel the subway 678 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: despite having claustrophobia, So adding an extra variable in there 679 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: just doesn't seem I don't know. I I understand why 680 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: it's necessary, but also I another side effect of this 681 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: that they may not be aware of is that it 682 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: is going to raise awareness of the past experiments that 683 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: the US gleefully participated in knowing they would hurt people. Well, 684 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: we do think they knew, at least outward facing. They 685 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 1: always say the same thing, right, these things are inert, 686 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: these gases have no there's no way these guesses are 687 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: going to hurt people. Everything is gonna be fine. We're 688 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,879 Speaker 1: just testing. Yeah. Well, see a lot of those experiments 689 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: not happening in like, uh, Connecticut. I see a lot 690 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 1: of them happening in historically disadvantaged populations. And that's what 691 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: I think. That's what gives lie to some of those 692 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:18,320 Speaker 1: statements again of the past decades. That gets past Oh 693 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: more to come on that whole situation. I am very 694 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: excited about that, but for now, Hey, do you have 695 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: any information. Do you work for the m t A 696 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,280 Speaker 1: or another transportation group or company within New York City? 697 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: Do you work for one of these organizations, maybe even 698 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: the e p A, any of them that are looking 699 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: into how to successfully test these things without harming anyone. 700 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear what you have to say, if 701 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: you can say anything, And what's your position on two things? 702 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: What's your position on spying. What would you like to 703 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: hear about in the world of spy? 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