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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They called me Bed. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal fagd. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here that makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. We are recording on Monday,

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Speaker 3: March twenty third, and we're doing something called in media rest.

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Speaker 3: We're starting in the middle of the story. In our

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Speaker 3: recent episode, you guys will remember, we talked about how

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Speaker 3: to resist interrogation, and we spoke a bit about the

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Speaker 3: process of capturing detailed in different scenarios or situations, and

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Speaker 3: we also hinted that we had a related episode on

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Speaker 3: the way. This is that episode. We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: about US immigrations and customers enforcement or.

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Speaker 4: ICE, and guys, we got ice at the airport before

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Speaker 4: GTA seven is it seven? But the one that we're

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Speaker 4: waiting on and.

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Speaker 3: Before the Skyriom sequel, which is just never gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: Ice at the airport. Y'all stoked about that.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's uh, I want to get into that, Like,

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Speaker 2: that's one of the things I really want to talk

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Speaker 2: about today. Yeah, we don't have to do it now,

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Speaker 2: maybe I know we're just getting into the the show,

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Speaker 2: just trying on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is breaking news.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about it. Immigration and Customs enforcement agents

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Speaker 2: are at the Atlanta Hartsfield Jackson Airport right now because

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Speaker 2: TSA employees are not getting paid and can't eat without assistance,

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Speaker 2: and which is also being aft.

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Speaker 3: With and are naturally calling in, calling in sick or

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Speaker 3: taking PTO, which you absolutely should. They're being asked to

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Speaker 3: work for free in a very demanding job. I've got

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Speaker 3: a friend who works for a local Fox News outlet

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Speaker 3: and he's one of those on the on the scene reporters,

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Speaker 3: and he was talking to me earlier about the spot

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Speaker 3: the lines were out the door.

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Speaker 4: It's been all over each tiktoks and Instagrams, and you

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Speaker 4: know it's funny, Ben, you and I were just traveling

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Speaker 4: out of Hartsfield just to you know, a week before

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Speaker 4: talking to TSA agents saying thank you so much for

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Speaker 4: wait times. Just like to me, I don't know, I'm

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna do that.

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Speaker 3: I just will cancels and TSA and clear will not

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Speaker 3: help you right now, right maybe sky priority and so.

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Speaker 4: Also the old trick of going to the international terminal.

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Speaker 5: I got blown up, which I just travel for the

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Speaker 5: very first time and it worked. And I bet you

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Speaker 5: do you think that's going to be like an all

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Speaker 3: It'll come and go. Uh follow us for more airport tips.

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Speaker 3: But that thing only works as long as not everyone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's insane when you when you travel to the

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Speaker 2: Because it can vary so crazy widely. Even if you

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Speaker 3: These viral and we're talking about the larger expansion of

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Speaker 2: Well. That's the whole point of this is that ICE

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Speaker 2: And you know, according to Andre Dickens, the mayor of

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Speaker 3: Absolutely especially considering that, unlike the TSA, immigration and Customs

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Speaker 3: the subject of tonight's show one of a network of

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Speaker 3: the facts, gentlemen, I suggest we start small and then

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Speaker 3: it out called Social Circle until recent news. It's a

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Speaker 4: I've seen the exit off the interstate, but I've never

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Speaker 4: actually been there before. And Ben, I'm glad that this

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Speaker 3: Especially just like building prisons, you especially target rural, economically

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Speaker 3: So Social Circle. It's a small town. It's a day trip.

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Speaker 3: It's about forty five miles east of Atlanta in southern

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Speaker 3: It's called itself Georgia's greatest little town. And again, up

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Speaker 3: that's because they are moving forward with creating what people

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Speaker 2: It's just insane because Georgia already has several giant detention

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Speaker 2: that we know people who have volunteered down there to

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Speaker 2: How are there enough immigrants being prosecuted by ice to

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Speaker 4: Not a chance that there are. And to your point, Matt,

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Speaker 4: and to something we've said many times, the murkiness is

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Speaker 4: but it just feels like the murkiness is part is

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Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, that's such a concern that

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Speaker 3: our own Senator Warnock recently went on a public visit

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Speaker 3: finding mission is also asking questions, not just the normal

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Speaker 2: So when somebody like a Warnock does something like that

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I like Warnock, but I just it feels

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Speaker 4: like I said I was, you know, sarcastically saying fact

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Speaker 4: finding mission, because that's the kind of term that's used

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Speaker 4: But I just don't see how it's particularly what's the

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Speaker 4: what the recourse will be. It just seems like we're

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Speaker 4: gonna find out what's going on here, and then what

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Speaker 4: are you gonna do after that?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, That's my big question. I guess, like,

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Speaker 2: is there anything that you could actually do as someone

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Speaker 2: find out what's going on, right, you talk to some people,

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Speaker 2: you look at the facilities, and then what I just

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Speaker 2: want something to happen when when an action like that

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Speaker 4: That's all I mean. It seems like the badger's out

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Speaker 4: of the bag, the place is under it's it's it's happening.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: On February fourth of this year, the local authorities of

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Speaker 3: which ICE is a division DHS and ICE are going

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Speaker 3: to build this thing that is being called a mega prison.

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Speaker 3: ICE does not like that term, but it is mega,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and arguably shadow prison system, right, because it's we're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and they're using tactics. We talked about that

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Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, gratefully with some of the video footage this

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So you could also argue organizationally that ICE

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Speaker 4: But if the whole thing is quota based, like Steven Miller,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because quotas don't.

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Speaker 4: We don't account the reality.

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Speaker 3: They don't account for reality, or if they do, they

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Speaker 3: So they're not they're not doing what people often claim

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Speaker 3: get us started. But ICE is constructing these facilities, They're renovating, expanding,

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Speaker 3: acquiring existing properties. They're detaining so many more people than

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Speaker 4: And you're making money on building prisons. You gotta figure

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Speaker 2: Well said, can we talk a little bit more about

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Speaker 4: They are gonna be no more before you.

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Speaker 2: Well, just in this case, it's companies. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: I don't know, and luckily people are protesting because there

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Speaker 3: Core Civic, by the way, is the name I was

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Speaker 2: You also had the Geo Group, which has emerged at

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Speaker 4: Is all these largest sounding places.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they date back to nineteen eighty seven. Let's

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Speaker 4: But just that sounds nice.

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Speaker 2: But just since twenty fourteen, you know, they've been operating

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Speaker 3: past the mainstream criticism this is illegal, this is un American.

436
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Speaker 3: The criticism goes deeper because we see looming shadows of

437
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 3: those past incarceration programs. We see the resurgence of old

438
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories that were some of them were weird enough

439
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 3: considered quote unquote right wing stories of FEMA camps, sketchy

440
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 3: training operations like Jade hellm. I mean, it's a frightening time.

441
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 3: There's no way to ignore it. ICE and DHS are

442
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 3: building these facilities. Hundreds are up and running already. More

443
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 3: are going to be built in the next few months

444
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Speaker 3: after this podcast publishes. To what ends though, that's the question,

445
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: what is the future of all these detention centers? Are

446
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: they really just being built to detain what Uncle Sam

447
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: deems to be illegal immigrants? We think there's more to the.

448
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Speaker 2: Story, Yes we do.

449
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Speaker 3: We'll be back afterword from our sponsors. Here's where it

450
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Speaker 3: gets crazy. We say it often to understand the future.

451
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Speaker 3: We have to understand the past. So it's fair to

452
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Speaker 3: say that when we were younger entities, a lot of

453
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Speaker 3: Americans didn't like to talk about the history of these

454
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Speaker 3: con traversial detainment practices. We're not just what bracket chattel

455
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Speaker 3: slavery as a different, unclean sin. The interment of innocent

456
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 3: Japanese Americans during World War Two is probably the best

457
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Speaker 3: known case of something like this.

458
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Speaker 4: I didn't realize this, but I was recently in Canada

459
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Speaker 4: and Vancouver, and I went to this museum and there

460
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 4: was this incredible exhibit from this Canadian Japanese Canadian photojournalist

461
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 4: who was swept up in detainment camps in Canada. That

462
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Speaker 4: happened there too, And I had no idea, and that really,

463
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Speaker 4: you know, informed this individual's you know, thirst for liberty

464
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Speaker 4: and they're deciding to go into photojournalism, and weirdly, being

465
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Speaker 4: in Vancouver, a very unfamiliar place, very far from here

466
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Speaker 4: in Atlanta, a lot of his photographs were from the

467
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Speaker 4: civil rights movement here in Atlanta. So I just thought

468
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Speaker 4: that was something that maybe some people didn't know either,

469
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Speaker 4: because I certainly did.

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Speaker 3: Do check it out. If you if you find yourself

471
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Speaker 3: in that neck of the global woods because this does

472
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 3: run across countries, these kinds of tactics and practices. We

473
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: also have to remember the massive forced relocation of native

474
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Speaker 3: peoples during and after the westward expansion or the first

475
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Speaker 3: US immigration inspectors and the first official process of deportation

476
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 3: back in the early nineteen hundreds with the Chinese Exclusion Act.

477
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Speaker 3: The United States has flirted with stuff like this for

478
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Speaker 3: a long time, but the modern the evolution of modern corporations,

479
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 3: and the evolution of privatization and surveillance technology really have

480
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Speaker 3: created this massive beast that we call the modern detention center.

481
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Speaker 3: It dates back to the nineteen eighties, you know, when

482
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Speaker 3: there was the mass deportation of refugees from Haiti and Cuba.

483
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Speaker 3: And that occurs right and step in the nineteen eighties, right,

484
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Speaker 3: that occurs with the private prison corporations. They emerge around

485
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Speaker 3: that same time. We've mentioned a couple of these corrections.

486
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Speaker 3: Corporation of America now cor Civic, as you said, Noel,

487
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: it was created in nineteen eighty three. That same year

488
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Speaker 3: it got its first federal contract for detention facility in Texas.

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Speaker 3: Here's what we mean by makeshift. Before they completed building

490
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Speaker 3: out this facility. They started detaining people at a hotel

491
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Speaker 3: that they owned, and then they shipped them to the

492
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Speaker 3: Houston Contract detention facility.

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Speaker 2: The one good thing about some of that just at

494
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Speaker 2: least they're not using these detainees for free labor the

495
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Speaker 2: way they do in the regular prisons here in this country.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: Certainly, we've talked a lot about that. I mean, I

498
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: forget that there's a documentary and there's an amendment that

499
00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 4: basically converted prison in in incarceration in prisons to an

500
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Speaker 4: extension of slavery. And I'm always terrible with numbers, and

501
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Speaker 4: I forget what the name of that dog is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's after the shortly after emancipation, like thirteenth and fourteen.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right. And you know, there's no question about that,

504
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Speaker 4: and we know that that's a thing that is very,

505
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Speaker 4: very real and it continues today.

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Speaker 3: And continues today in a town near you. Do check

507
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Speaker 3: out our earlier conversations with Mike Render aka Killer Mike.

508
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Speaker 3: We talked about that a little bit. We also have

509
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Speaker 3: an episode on private prisons, and we mentioned some of

510
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Speaker 3: these names in those previous episodes. Think of GEO Group,

511
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Speaker 3: which was formerly the Wackenhut Corporation as kind of the

512
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: Pepsi to the Coca Cola of Cca. This company comes

513
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: out in nineteen eighty four, and then I think three

514
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Speaker 3: years after that, they get their own first federal contract

515
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty seven, and they're contracted to build a

516
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Speaker 3: detention facility in Aurora, Colorado, also for immigrants.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Geogroup currently runs the Big Boy deportation facility

518
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Speaker 2: that The Guardian was talking about at the end of

519
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Speaker 2: last year. The Alexandria Staging Facility is what it's known

520
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Speaker 2: as where it was the most number of detainees being

521
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Speaker 2: held and then flown out of the United States in

522
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Speaker 2: the United States.

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Speaker 4: Is that the one where there are some journalists that

524
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Speaker 4: were creeping around on the periphery and kind of heard

525
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Speaker 4: screams coming from inside. I want there a couple of those. Unfortunately,

526
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: it's true, and we'll get to some of that. I

527
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Speaker 4: just have to maybe mention just go ahead and drop it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've heard talk of people that have been

529
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Speaker 4: inside some of these places and overhearing guards taking bets

530
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Speaker 4: on who is going to take their own.

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Speaker 3: Life, people caught in cages like animals, sexual abuse allegations,

532
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Speaker 3: and improven instances. Definitely physical emotional abuse, deprivation of food

533
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Speaker 3: or access to medical care, the stuff that's happening in

534
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Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties, with the evolution of the situation we

535
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Speaker 3: find ourselves in now, it didn't start with ICE. I

536
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: think a lot of us in the crowd tonight may

537
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: be surprised to realize that ICE is not created until

538
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Speaker 3: two thousand and three. It's a division of the Department

539
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: of Homeland Security, created in the wake of the nine

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Speaker 3: to eleven attacks. So ICE is just a little bit

541
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: more than ten years old, but it's already made a

542
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: huge impact on the nation. I mean, it's gota. This

543
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: network is so complicated because not all of those two

544
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: hundred to four hundred facilities are openly owned and operated

545
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Speaker 3: by ICE, or wholly owned and operated. I should say

546
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 3: it's a fluctuating network. A lot of private contractors, tense cities,

547
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: makeshift facilities, refurbished warehouses like we mentioned. But then they'll

548
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: also take existing local jails or prisons or other pieces

549
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: of public infrastructure and fold it into ICE operations. This

550
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: is a big business and an unclean one, just apolitically,

551
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: it's not how the US is supposed to behave. I mean,

552
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Speaker 3: just February second, twenty twenty six, there were at least

553
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Speaker 3: seventy thousand, seven hundred and sixty six individuals in detention,

554
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Speaker 3: and odds are, given the lack of transparency, we're not

555
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Speaker 3: going to know what ultimately happens to all of.

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Speaker 4: Them, no, because as we mentioned earlier, I mean, just

557
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 4: getting in that system, being absorbed into that system, whether

558
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 4: you're guilty or not, can lead to just an in

559
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 4: immeasurable amount of red tape. And it's not like you

560
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 4: are once you're in. You're kind of off the radar

561
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Speaker 4: in a lot of ways and sort of at the

562
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Speaker 4: mercy of this bureaucracy, which, as we know my design

563
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Speaker 4: works incredibly slowly and inefficient.

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Speaker 3: And ninety one percent of let me get our source

565
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Speaker 3: for this, according to Detention Watched Network, which is a

566
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Speaker 3: pretty good source, although you you can kind of tell

567
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Speaker 3: they're not ICE fans. According to the source, ninety one

568
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Speaker 3: percent of those almost seventy one thousand people end up

569
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Speaker 3: being detained for all or part of their process in

570
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Speaker 3: privately owned facilities. So if you are a private contractor,

571
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Speaker 3: this is hand over fist money, you know what I mean.

572
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Speaker 3: This isn't I'm going to send my kids to college money.

573
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Speaker 3: This is I'm going to build a wing of a

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Speaker 3: library and buy my kid's way into college money. Great.

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Speaker 4: No, no, it's it's that's right on the money and

576
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Speaker 4: money being the operative word. At present, there have been

577
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Speaker 4: minimum thirty five proven deaths in ice custody under the

578
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Speaker 4: current administration, and legal proceedings are ongoing. As a family,

579
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Speaker 4: members and the public and some politicians push for more

580
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Speaker 4: transparency and accountability. But like we said, I mean, it's

581
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Speaker 4: one of those things where it's like better to ask

582
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Speaker 4: for forgiveness than permission or not even forgiveness. It's just

583
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Speaker 4: we're just going to do what we want to do

584
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Speaker 4: and then sort it out later. And the process we're

585
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 4: just not set up to sort it out later, y'all.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: We're also it's a we know the judge situation, you

588
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Speaker 3: know what I mean, Oh, I loved your paper for

589
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Speaker 3: the Heritage Foundation. Let's get rid of this pesky case.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not to mention, you know, the maligning of certain

591
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Speaker 4: judges that are maybe just pushing for real justice and

592
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Speaker 4: liberty as activist judges, and just all of the jargon

593
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Speaker 4: that's thrown around and the rhetoric that's demonizing the press

594
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Speaker 4: and any folks that are trying to affect change in

595
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 4: a positive way as being agitators, rabble rousers, you know,

596
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Speaker 4: bad element all.

597
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Speaker 3: That kind of stuff. We're just being boring. Judges are

598
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Speaker 3: supposed to be. I love a wacky judge, you know

599
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: what I mean. I love a ruling delivered in rhyme.

600
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Speaker 3: There's some bankers, but they're supposed to be boring. So

601
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: riddle me this, guys, how did it become How did

602
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 3: just following the rules in a very dry, boring manner

603
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 3: and enforcing those rules are attempted to How did that

604
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Speaker 3: transform into being called an activist judge. I'm not buying it.

605
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Speaker 3: I'm not buying it even on sale.

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Speaker 4: It's one of those things where you accuse the other

607
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Speaker 4: of that which you yourself are guilty of. Because the

608
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Speaker 4: way you described it, Ben, I think is right on.

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Speaker 4: Whereas you're talking about folks that are just trying to

610
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Speaker 4: apply the letter of the law, and the judges that

611
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 4: are giving a rubber stamp to a lot of this stuff,

612
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Speaker 4: they are politically motivated. That's activist judge, right.

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Speaker 3: If you ask me, maybe one day, one day sooner

614
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Speaker 3: than later. We'll have an update on Scotus because I'm

615
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: sure we've been keeping an eye on those creepy ring grades.

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Speaker 4: We'll see them all in the Hague, man, I was

617
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Speaker 4: a crossword clue today or a crossword answer today on

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Speaker 4: the Mini No spoilers.

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Speaker 3: Okay, awesome, And we do have a standing policy in

620
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Speaker 3: this nation about invading the Hague if anybody ever gets

621
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Speaker 3: in trouble internationally. It's very it's very non Tenable is saying,

622
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Speaker 3: look to our earlier point. I mentioned this previous episodes,

623
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Speaker 3: and I think we talked about it with Gandhi too

624
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 3: on Sauce on the side. Yeah, Ice is saying, look,

625
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Speaker 3: we have a big network, and we are expanding this network,

626
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 3: and we're doing it to quote, hold non citizens while

627
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 3: they await immigration court hearings or deportation. And so it

628
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Speaker 3: also takes pains as an organization to say, hey, these

629
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Speaker 3: facilities are civil detainment. This is not a criminal detainment thing.

630
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Speaker 3: We are not a prison. But still, guys, they operate

631
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Speaker 3: so much like prisons in practice. You know, people can

632
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Speaker 3: be held a few days to over a year, and

633
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Speaker 3: some people can end up being deported to a third

634
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Speaker 3: party country. That made a bilateral agreement with the US

635
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Speaker 3: that means you can be deported to a country that

636
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Speaker 3: is not, you know, like a US territory, like wherever

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Speaker 3: we go. It's not something that's under the control of

638
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: the US, but it's all so not your country of origin. Right.

639
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 3: You've probably heard the horror stories here, friends and neighbors,

640
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: people getting abandoned in places where they have no connections,

641
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 3: no support, no job prospects, nothing like that. They may

642
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Speaker 3: not even speak the language of the place they dropped

643
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Speaker 3: off at.

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Speaker 4: That was a big issue too. There was some serious

645
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Speaker 4: human rights violations in terms of folks being sent to

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Speaker 4: El Salvador, and also this sense of a cozy relationship

647
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Speaker 4: between the administration and that government and like, yeah, we're

648
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Speaker 4: sending our worst people there or whatever.

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Speaker 3: This attitude and those prisons. I appreciate you mentioning those

650
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Speaker 3: in particular, the Salvadoran prisons are notorious for being black boxes.

651
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Speaker 3: People disappear. So there are families who are looking for

652
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Speaker 3: a loved one that friends and family, but families who

653
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 3: are looking for a loved one who got deported like

654
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Speaker 3: you're describing, got incarcerated in one of these prisons and

655
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Speaker 3: then disappeared. The government of El Salvador is not giving

656
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Speaker 3: them any updates, any news about what happened. The trail

657
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Speaker 3: goes cool.

658
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Speaker 2: That's one of the hardest things when you've got a

659
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Speaker 2: family member going through this whole process. It's just not

660
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: knowing what the hell is going on, and then trying

661
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: to get in touch with somebody there who will talk

662
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Speaker 2: to you, and especially if you don't speak English as

663
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Speaker 2: a family member, and trying to get a translator through

664
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Speaker 2: their official Byzantine system, it's near impossible. We'll talk at

665
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Speaker 2: the end why some of the advocacy groups that you

666
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Speaker 2: can reach out to if you do need help, But

667
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: it just becomes it's already heartbreaking, and you could be

668
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: so angry that this is going on. I'm talking specifically

669
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Speaker 2: about the experience of a family member, not the human

670
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Speaker 2: being going through detention, which is a whole other thing,

671
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Speaker 2: but just the confusion that it causes for an individual

672
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Speaker 2: and for a family. It is just guys.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine being a hell in one of these

674
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Speaker 4: places for a year and then it being chalked up

675
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Speaker 4: to a clerical error or just processing time. Can you

676
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 4: imagine losing a year of your life to that and

677
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 4: you never were in the wrong in the first place.

678
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Speaker 4: I mean, we know that that's happening. We know that

679
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 4: that's happening.

680
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine just your year, it's everybody's around this year.

681
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Speaker 3: That's a good point. Can you imagine I'll take that

682
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Speaker 3: one further. Being a child, right, and you were planning

683
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 3: to go to school next year, you're excited about sixth

684
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Speaker 3: or fourth grade or what have you. Kids that young

685
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: are being detained in these facilities, and in some cases

686
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 3: they're getting deported with relatives and family members to a

687
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: country that they have never visited. They might not speak

688
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: the language, they're just related to people who had some

689
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 3: time there, and that can arguably get close to collective punishment.

690
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess we could also admit as a

691
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: group that we may be a bit bubbled on this

692
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 3: because we're close to it and we've been monitoring the situations.

693
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: So if you're like us and you've been keeping an

694
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Speaker 3: eye on these developments where you know people who have

695
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Speaker 3: been affected by this, we'll give you resources at the

696
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Speaker 3: end of the show. And we also want to admit

697
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 3: that a lot of this might be old news, but

698
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: it's crucial to remember not everyone is aware of the

699
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: scope here, just the sheer size of what's happening, nor

700
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 3: the groundwork being laid for expansion. And I'll say it

701
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: a possible pivot in the mission. You know, just like

702
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 3: how private prisons went from private prisons to building immigration centers.

703
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: I think what we're calling detention facilities now, especially with

704
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Speaker 3: some of the software coming into play, I think they're

705
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Speaker 3: not just going to be for immigrants in the future.

706
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Speaker 3: And that's that's a big concern. Yeah, that's a question

707
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Speaker 3: we've had for a while. Look, we know it sounds crazy,

708
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 3: but we do believe we can build a pretty solid

709
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 3: case here for something to think about. If the goal

710
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: is to identify and deport people, meaning to move them

711
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: out of the unit, and it states, why is Uncle

712
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 3: Sam spending billions and billions of taxpayer dollars on creating

713
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: essentially a second prison system for the express purpose of

714
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Speaker 3: keeping people in. We want them out where we're keeping

715
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Speaker 3: them in. It's a it's a bag of badgers, a

716
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: bag of dark, unclean badgers. And that leads us to

717
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: the next big question, what is the future?

718
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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially with terms like domestic terrorism being thrown around

719
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 4: so loosely. Uh, it just does feel like the future

720
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Speaker 4: of this kind of thing is just going to broaden,

721
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 4: you know, as the language broadens and as the oversights.

722
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Speaker 4: What's the opposite of broadens narrows.

723
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Speaker 3: I like the way you put that. Yeah, mission creep.

724
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: We're going to creep into a word from our sponsors,

725
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: and then we'll be back with the future of detention centers.

726
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: We've returned obviously, folks. As you can tell, this is

727
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 3: something that bothers me. I think it bothers all of us.

728
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 3: I think it should bother everybody. But it's not bothering ICE.

729
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 3: ICE is projected growth planned is to say the least ambitious.

730
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: It's hoping to house over one hundred thousand individuals in

731
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. They want to do rapid processing three

732
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 3: to seven days and then you get deported or maybe

733
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: you get let go. And they also want to focus

734
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Speaker 3: on long term detention, which they call under sixty days,

735
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: and on the way they want to build larger centers

736
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Speaker 3: that could hold up to ten thousand people a piece.

737
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Speaker 4: Can I ask, guys, how's that fortification of the border gone.

738
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Speaker 4: You don't hear a lot of talk about like tightening

739
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 4: up the borders anymore. It seems a whole lot more

740
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Speaker 4: based on, you know, expanding internal operations to quote unquote

741
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 4: get people out, whereas so much of the campaign talk

742
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 4: was about building the wall and having Mexico pay for

743
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 4: it and all this, that and the other. I just

744
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 4: don't see, and maybe it's happening behind the scenes, but

745
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 4: it seems like the kind of thing they don't want

746
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 4: to talk about. I just don't see as much of

747
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 4: a focus on that at all anymore, which seems like

748
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 4: kind of missing the point a little bit, especially since

749
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Speaker 4: we know that a lot of the stats they're throwing

750
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 4: around are highly misleading, like we're not in some sort

751
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 4: of immigrants overload situation in the way that is presented.

752
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Speaker 3: Also a country that touts itself being founded on immigration.

753
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Speaker 3: Just to be clear about that part, Nol, I would

754
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Speaker 3: I would say that you're asking an excellent question because

755
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: this is in work focus. It also has a couple

756
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: of things that Bob Ross might sartastically call a happy accident.

757
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: The fact that building up Ice in this way is

758
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: essentially building an army. It's building a small army domestically.

759
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Speaker 4: And why would they have such a future expansion plan.

760
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Speaker 4: Isn't this the kind of organizations that's created in order

761
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 4: to be dissolved once the mission is accomplished. Or aren't

762
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 4: there a finite amount of illegal immigrants in this country?

763
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Speaker 4: And then once they sort all that out, aren't they good?

764
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Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?

765
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Speaker 4: The implication, of course, is that that's not what they're for.

766
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Speaker 3: Well yeah, or are we seeing my favorite Achilles heel

767
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 3: of fascism, which is that it always demands an other,

768
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: and when you deplete the first other, you just find

769
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: a new one. And it's pretty easy to do that.

770
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Speaker 3: So eventually, if you live in the United States and

771
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Speaker 3: logically this trend continues, at some point, you will become

772
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 3: the other somehow. It doesn't matter. That's just how the

773
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 3: mechanics of that system of governance work. I mean, if

774
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: you work for ICE, this is job security. If we

775
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: were in private prison contracting and not in podcasting, we

776
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 3: would be making so much money, you guys, we would.

777
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 4: I'm good. I wouldn't see the podcast the podcaster's life

778
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 4: for me.

779
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I'd prefer to go to bed with a

780
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: clean conscience, you know, every sunrise. But this feels like

781
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 3: an existential threat and there is. I don't know if

782
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: it's good news yet. But there is a changing of

783
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: the tide. PBS had a recent poll that seems to

784
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: indicate about half of Americans support abolishing ICE entirely and

785
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: trying a new strategy toward immigration residency. But it looks

786
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: like about six out of ten Americans disapprove of ICE's performance,

787
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: even if they don't want to abolish it. They're saying, look,

788
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: this has gone way too far.

789
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: Mark Wayne Mullins, got you sorted and let that guy

790
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 4: figure it out.

791
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 3: Who's Mark WAYN Mullins.

792
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 4: He's the guy that's replacing christin home as it was

793
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 4: like a former MMA fighter who likes to pick fights

794
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,959
Speaker 4: in the Senate hearings and is still a thing.

795
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just saying, boil you're you're a US senator.

796
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: Sit down, stop stop trying to have fights inside the chambers.

797
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 4: No fighting in the war room.

798
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: No fight in the war room. Yes, I mean we

799
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: also we have to note to get in front of

800
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: the emails conspiracy iHeartRadio dot com. We got to note

801
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: that other administrations obviously supported ICE activities.

802
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: This didn't come from real land, right, We're not.

803
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: Oh no, We've been tracking all kinds of detention stuff

804
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 2: of immigrants since this show began back in twenty ten,

805
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: twenty twenty and nine. We were talking about it back then,

806
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: and we let's just say, we had some folks in

807
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: our lives who were attempting to fight against it way

808
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 2: back then.

809
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if this isn't personal to you now,

810
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 3: my fellow Americans, then it if the pattern continues, it

811
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: will be personal to you soon, by which mean affect

812
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 3: you or somebody that you know. This massive expansion is

813
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: also it's anomalousts. Okay, I'm putting it coldly, but here's

814
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 3: what I mean when I say it's anomalous. Every US

815
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: administration throughout all of US history has made unpopular decisions,

816
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 3: and historically the will of the public. When you get

817
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: enough people together having a problem with it, the will

818
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: of the public results in the eventual reversal of these policies, because,

819
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 3: after all, politicians like to get re elected, right well,

820
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 3: I have to see there. So it seems odd that

821
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 3: these programs not only continued despite this slight majority disapproval,

822
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: but they're also expanding even though the American public doesn't

823
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 3: want it. Why is the administration risking so much good

824
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: will on this, especially considering that people who for a

825
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: long time were staunchly loyal supporters of the ADMIN. They're

826
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: becoming fed up with this program because it's happening. It's

827
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: very expensive, like we said earlier, not to sound like

828
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: cheap skates, but it's forty five billion dollars. It's happening

829
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: on the heels of Maduro's kidnapping, the conflict in Iran,

830
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 3: and the Epstein files.

831
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: S dah, don't talk about those. I'm so sick and

832
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: tired of hearing about those files.

833
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: You're an obnoxious woman. You're an obnoxious woman, and you

834
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 3: should smile more.

835
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: It's just for my own sanity. Let's just pivot away

836
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: for saying we'll come right back. Did you guys see

837
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: that the very first episode of SNL UK I did?

838
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: I liked it? I did? I liked it. I like

839
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 3: I thought it was a master Masters stroke to have

840
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: Tina Fey host.

841
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 2: Oh, it was great, Tina fans fantastic. But that cold

842
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 2: open with Starmer and getting to see the SNL treatment

843
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: but with the UK's perspective, that was fascinating and I

844
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 2: cannot wait to watch more of that, and I really

845
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: hope that expands further something about something about through the

846
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: SNL lens. It really does give you a some kind

847
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 2: of deeper picture. For me when I'm getting to laugh

848
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: at it, you know, something horrifying like choosing whether or

849
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: not to go to war with alongside the United States

850
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 2: as the UK.

851
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: The phone calls got Yeah, something.

852
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: As simple as that. Being able to look at it

853
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: through a comedic lens, I think really does change it,

854
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: at least personally.

855
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 3: I hope they franchised the heck out of it. Where

856
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 3: is my SNL Japan? Where's I think Australia be next?

857
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 3: Would be cool to see something from Latin America or

858
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 3: from an authoritarian country SNL North Korea is now the time.

859
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 2: Ah, if only our Venezuelan leader still had his show

860
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 2: and he's just.

861
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 4: I just want to see more propaganda comedy.

862
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got that. I've got some one thing we have.

863
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 4: Left, y'all.

864
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: I have some bootleg North Korean DVD if you want

865
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: to watch.

866
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: Them, I'm interested.

867
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 4: They're stand up as a hoot.

868
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: It is a crime. So we have to we have to.

869
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: We have to attempt to explain this anomaly, right though. Uh,

870
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: with the with the rise of detention centers, despite the

871
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 3: fact that most of the public seems not to dig it.

872
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: When we answer that question, when we say, well, why

873
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 3: are they pushing so hard? Why are they gambling so hard?

874
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: We run into multiple conspiracy theories, and some range from

875
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 3: completely out there to others that you can already tell folks. Uh,

876
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: the four of us find distressingly plausible. Can we talk

877
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 3: a little bit about Ice and AI and you guys

878
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 3: saw the news about the d O D and pallanteer I.

879
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 4: Mean pre crime. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fun, that's fun stuff.

880
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: They're actively surveilling people, they're they're doing and we know,

881
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: we know the governments across the world are actively surveilling

882
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 2: their own people. We know that's a thing, and they've

883
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: done been doing that.

884
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 4: Let's not like get ourselves, you know. We know about

885
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 4: the metadata, which seemed so out extreme at the time.

886
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 4: Remember how outraged everyone was with the metadata and the

887
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 4: I'm sorry the NSA stuff. And now it's just leap years,

888
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 4: light years beyond.

889
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: That with Stellar Wind and all that we were. I

890
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: think the majority of people were confused because there was

891
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: all kinds of different information coming out. We were only

892
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: getting information from a couple of whistleblowers every year or so,

893
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 2: and then those people were being accused of terrible crimes

894
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: for leaking classified materials.

895
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 3: Or running off to Russian going dark.

896
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

897
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 3: So it didn't help, not at all.

898
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: But we do know what's happening. We've been talking about pallenteer.

899
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: Are we saying pallenteers getting involved?

900
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 3: Pallaunteer. I see as ICY as being related because right

901
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: now ICE has we believe ICE has more than one

902
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty thousand something people under what it calls

903
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: active surveillance, and it's rapidly accelerating AI and advanced tech

904
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: to track and detain individuals. This does look Your residency

905
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 3: status doesn't matter when this kind of stuff comes into play,

906
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 3: because it hoovers up all publicly available records and then

907
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 3: all other databases that it can reasonably acquire. So it

908
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 3: might get your credit card and financial activity from a

909
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 3: data broker. Combine that with your property records, right your

910
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: driver's license, your ID card records, your activities on social media,

911
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 3: and for ICE employees this is a huge time saver.

912
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 3: But for the average American, this is a violation of

913
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 3: your privacy. You do not have a way to opt out.

914
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 3: This is happening. This is happening. In step with the

915
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: Department of Defense's announcement that they must have really dug

916
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 3: Pete's antichrist ted talks because they are adopting Palanteer as

917
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 3: the core US military system. So eventually these things, especially

918
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 3: when we talked about domestic terrorism, these things are going

919
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 3: to start to convert Talenteers.

920
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 4: Skynet guys, that.

921
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 3: Is our skin at Balenteer is not as good as Skyet.

922
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 4: It's technology that gets integrated into everything and then it

923
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 4: gets close enough to the launch keys that all of

924
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 4: a sudden it decides to nuke the world.

925
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: All okay, So if there's kin of who's our Cyberdyne.

926
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 4: I forget what where Cyberdne figures into the plot of

927
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 4: the Terminator.

928
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: Isn't that RoboCop? Maybe I'm wrong, I could have.

929
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 4: Swe is also a terminator. I just I don't know.

930
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 4: I think Cyberdyne makes the robots and Skye was the

931
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 4: AI that you know essentially went sentient. Okay, and for

932
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 4: your judgment.

933
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 3: Day and there is now a real Iberdine. It's Japanese

934
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 3: robotics company. Yeah, they make wearable cyborg technology ever since

935
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 3: two thousand and four. Check them out. Why do you

936
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 3: buy Illumination Global Unlimited.

937
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 4: Turnof the Cybridine systems created Skynett. So skynett is a

938
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 4: technology the Cyberdyne systems create in addition to the hardware

939
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 4: you know of the T eight hundreds and the you

940
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 4: know T one thousands.

941
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 3: Illumination Global Unlimited. So maybe the one of the conspiratorial

942
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 3: concerns people would say, possible concerns is this ICE is

943
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: building a system through this software that can be used

944
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 3: for immigration. Now that is true, that's why they're saying

945
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 3: they're building it, and they are building it. But because

946
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 3: of the nature of these systems, it can easily shift

947
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 3: to a different type of surveillance at the drop of

948
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: a hat, or say bad polling numbers leading up to

949
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: the mid term elections.

950
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: Wait a second, are we saying that perhaps they could

951
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: look at your voting record, which is a thing unless

952
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: you think it's we're all just walking in and voting

953
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: and nobody knows what we vote, who we voted for.

954
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 2: When it's a super ballot, it's a superblog.

955
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 3: I'm just proud to say that I vote Corey Oliver

956
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: for Fulton County Comptroller every time I get a chance.

957
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 4: Well, the guys, a national.

958
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I'm just saying that is a thing that

959
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: exists out there, and it's not just your vote right at.

960
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 4: A point that can follow you, no question, Oh yeah,

961
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 4: and predict your behavior. It's your donations, It's your interactions

962
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 4: with various political organizations, your registrations, your affiliations, your most.

963
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 3: Importantly, your ability or likelihood of voting in a swing

964
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 3: state or a swing district. That is that adds up

965
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 3: to the idea that detention centers might be for something else.

966
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 3: This is one of the quote unquote more out there

967
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: things that I personally one hundred percent believe because I

968
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 3: went a little too deep into the rabbit hole. I'm

969
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 3: the first to admit it. Several years back, when the

970
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 3: old FEMA camp conspiracies would keep popping up in the news,

971
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: especially in the lead up to or in the wake

972
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 3: of a natural disaster, we remember this one, right, This

973
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 3: old school stuff they don't want you to know.

974
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 4: Right, repurposing of FEMA camps as makeshift pop up detention centers, right.

975
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. The idea that they were saying, oh, we're building

976
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 3: this for a disaster relief in case a hurricane comes along,

977
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 3: but really we're building it so that if there is

978
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 3: widespread civil unrest, we can declare martial law and detain

979
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 3: dissidence protesters anybody else want to target easily and definitely

980
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 3: without legal protection. So the ICE network, this gark Anteuan

981
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 3: thing obviously births a gritty reboot of this theory.

982
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 4: It just feels so shortsighted to me when people, you know,

983
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 4: could criticize this kind of thinking as being alarmist, or

984
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 4: this could never happen here. This has happened, you know

985
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 4: we I mean maybe not here, but I mean his

986
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 4: history is riddled, as the opening to our show says,

987
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 4: with this kind of thing, and we are seeing the

988
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 4: groundwork being laid for it, and it would be foolish

989
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 4: not to pay attention to the evidence of our eyes

990
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 4: and ears.

991
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: You just have to find yourself on the wrong side

992
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: of a line that gets drawn while you're standing there, right,

993
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: and then some dude rocks along and just draws a

994
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: line right between your legs. Really, what wait, what's that? Oh? Oh,

995
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:41,959
Speaker 2: that's that's see. Japanese citizens are on this side over here,

996
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: and then we Americans are over here, and ooh geez,

997
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: you looks like you found yourself on that side. Come

998
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 2: with us or you've.

999
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 4: Been kicking it with too many people that we don't

1000
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 4: like shor ye are on their side of the line.

1001
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, and that happened with people who

1002
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 3: just went to like vegan potlucks during cointelpro But I

1003
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 3: would say another danger that often gets missed is that

1004
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 3: the laws can be changed retroactively. So maybe one day

1005
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 3: past people walk up to your door and say, you know,

1006
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 3: like hey, Dylan Ben, were you guys at a protest

1007
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, And we say, yeah, it was legal,

1008
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 3: and they say, come with us. It's no longer legal

1009
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 3: for you to have done that. That can happen, Yeah,

1010
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah, your legal activities can become retroactively considered crimes.

1011
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's say you're really angry about, oh, I don't know,

1012
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: something crazy like a push for a third term for

1013
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: a US president, something weird and crazy and outlandish like that.

1014
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: That would never happen, but let's just use it as

1015
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: an example. Let's say you get really mad about that

1016
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: in an attempt to basically force the entire country to

1017
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: accept a third term for US president. That would be

1018
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: you know, against the constitution. There'd probably be a lot

1019
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 2: of people that are upset about something like that. A

1020
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 2: lot of people that would be angry and try and

1021
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: stop something like that from happening where it.

1022
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 4: To happen inside and you are on the wrong side

1023
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 4: of history.

1024
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 3: And maybe you know the advantage here, I would say

1025
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 3: in the boardroom, right, is that you don't have to

1026
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 3: arrest all of those people. Just maybe get one hundred

1027
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 3: thousand something set an example, cut off the head.

1028
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: Get it on camera nice and four K like you.

1029
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 3: Know, broadcast it as breaking news. That that can quell

1030
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 3: a rebellion to a point. But what if the purpose

1031
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 3: of this physical network can be pivoted, right, That's what

1032
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 3: we're saying, just as easily as this AI software provably can.

1033
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 3: What if something like this is used to influence the

1034
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 3: outcome of upcoming elections midterms and then later presidential elections.

1035
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 3: What if it's used when some other event prevents the

1036
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: actual mid terms from occurring. That's crazy. And if that

1037
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 3: ever comes to pass, right, that seemingly alarmist situation comes

1038
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 3: to pass, please know it's not normal. Even during the

1039
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 3: US Civil War, when the US was two different countries

1040
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 3: that hated each other, they still had midterm elections. Are

1041
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 3: we cooked you guys, we're cooking.

1042
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: Okay, that oil is hot right now.

1043
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 3: Flick the water. See if it sputters, we.

1044
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: Should probably turn it down. I think maybe.

1045
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I mean, but one thing is for sure,

1046
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 3: regardless if you think we're being alarmist, I don't think

1047
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 3: we are. One thing is for sure. After spending all

1048
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 3: this money, Uncle Sam is highly unlikely just to close

1049
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 3: the circus and tear all this stuff down. He starts, halloweens. Yeah,

1050
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 3: it's now a sunk cost. I mean, now you have

1051
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 3: the thing, so you're going to find some way to

1052
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 3: use it, even if public opinion shifts the current pattern.

1053
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 3: There's got to give a shout out as we're closing

1054
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 3: up to this awesome MPR article that came out just

1055
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 3: this morning on March twenty third. It's a phenomenal infographic

1056
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 3: of ICE's expanding footprint across the United States or contiguous

1057
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 3: at least, along with a map of communities that are protesting,

1058
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 3: with the size of each facility and the size of

1059
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 3: the protest.

1060
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 4: Oh, you mean the radical liberals at NPR.

1061
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, who are no longer funded.

1062
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1063
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 4: I caused this infographic into question pretty hard, guys.

1064
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't see the colors. But if this is

1065
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 3: red that I'm gonna call it their commies.

1066
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 2: It's it's just color. Double down on your shout out, Ben.

1067
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: I'm seeing a lot of orange on inpr article.

1068
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 4: It's sort of like his map, right, isn't that what

1069
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 4: we're looking at?

1070
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? With the size representative of the scale.

1071
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 4: There are hues as well because they're layered, so there's

1072
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 4: a darker orange and then a lighter orange, and then

1073
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 4: sort of an translucent kind of orange.

1074
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 2: Did you call it the full title of that where

1075
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: people can find it, Ben, Yeah, the full title.

1076
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 3: This is by Eric Westervelt, a new show Mather and

1077
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 3: Brent Jones. It is mapping ices expanding footprint and the

1078
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 3: communities fighting back.

1079
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Speaker 2: This phenomenal stuff. You know, if we can trust the data.

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Speaker 3: I'm just joking, well, I would say, folks, Yeah, do

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Speaker 3: pull this up and play play a quick game just

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Speaker 3: so you can see the pattern we're talking about. You'll

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Speaker 3: have two tabs right at top of the map. Click

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Speaker 3: on the one that says twenty twenty four, and then

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Speaker 3: click on the one that says twenty twenty five and

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Speaker 3: see the difference.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot more orange color. As we're right bro.

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Speaker 4: As we're wrapping up, guys, I just want to name

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Speaker 4: drop the artist that I was referring to at the

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Speaker 4: top of the show, the Japanese Canadian photo journalist. His

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Speaker 4: name is Tamiol Wakayama, and the name of the show

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Speaker 4: is Enemy Alien And let me tell you it is.

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Speaker 4: It is ninety percent images of people, and it really

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Speaker 4: takes you inside of what it means to be othered

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Speaker 4: and the civil rights stuff. It is shocking how similar

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Speaker 4: some of the language from people who opposed civil rights

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Speaker 4: is to the kinds of things that we're hearing today

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Speaker 4: around immigration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll say it because we're all last week

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Speaker 3: tonight fanboys. Not too too long ago, John Oliver did

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Speaker 3: a phenomenal piece on Oh he's been knocked out of

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Speaker 3: the park these days, him and his writers, but he

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Speaker 3: had do you guys see his piece on the Vice president.

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Speaker 3: Peter Thial gets a shout out.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen it yet, but I'm gonna call you

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Speaker 4: take a little break, because yeah, least I've had a

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Speaker 4: little behind on mine.

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Speaker 3: Johnny Ally, Oh yeah, yeah, okay, I thought you were

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Speaker 3: going to say a huge Vans fan, but huge Oliver fan.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean you know, his makeup game is

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Speaker 4: on point. I'll give him that.

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Speaker 3: That's true. That's true. And sometimes people just look better

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Speaker 3: with facial hair.

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Speaker 4: If you're in a two thousands like Emo banders thing.

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Speaker 2: But psychologically, guys, I've been taking it back to twenty

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Speaker 2: ten and I don't know why I keep going back there.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And I've been watching Jay stew and Cole Berry's just

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Speaker 2: been watching these guys because I feel like I'm back

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Speaker 2: in the in the or the mid two thousands or something.

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Speaker 2: My brain is just is reverting back. I think we

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Speaker 2: need a new rally for for sanity and or March

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Speaker 2: to what is it? March to do you guys remember the.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember. I don't remember the rest of the name.

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Speaker 2: March to Keep Fear Alive?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that kind of stuff. Yeah, I hear you, man.

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Speaker 3: And the image that keeps haunting me, you know, as

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Speaker 3: the sun rises and they try to go to sleep,

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Speaker 3: is uh the feeling, does it not?

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Speaker 2: That's not what happens with you.

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Speaker 3: I'm hiding in the case. This is very late at

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Speaker 3: night for me. What we're what I can't shake. And folks,

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Speaker 3: if you close your you might feel this too. Similar

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Speaker 3: to the idea of twenty ten being an iterative situation?

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Speaker 3: Right now, does it not feel like we're on the

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Speaker 3: roller coaster slowly ticking up the hill?

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Speaker 2: You know, it does feel like that, Ben, But I'm

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Speaker 2: a little worried because I haven't heard the ticking for

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Speaker 2: a while. So you know what that means. We're like

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Speaker 2: coasting right over the top.

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Speaker 4: All you gotta do, guys, is just hold your arms

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Speaker 4: up and get ready.

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Speaker 2: For the wei.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's going to be fine and fun. Well,

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Speaker 3: the world will continue to spit right. The thing is

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Speaker 3: changing this trend. We know, this trend is picking up steam.

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Speaker 3: Regardless of what the public thinks. Changing this trend of

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Speaker 3: detention facility expansion, it's going to require either a new

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Speaker 3: administration public outcry on a level larger than what's occurring now,

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Speaker 3: or a complete one to eighty from everything the current

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Speaker 3: government said previously. But still those buildings are going to

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Speaker 3: be there. Is there an ulterior motive at play for now?

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01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 3: That's the stuff they don't want you to know. Stay

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Speaker 3: safe out there, folks. We're going to give you a

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Speaker 3: couple of resources if you or a loved one needs assistance.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, for sure. Well, the big thing I'm going

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Speaker 2: to put out there is if you feel the speaking

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Speaker 2: personally here, guys, but you feel the anger that I

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Speaker 2: feel and the frustration about what's happening, and you feel

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Speaker 2: for the human beings that are going through these systems

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Speaker 2: of customs enforcement, immigration detention and maybe find themselves in

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Speaker 2: a place like this. You can volunteer with a bunch

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Speaker 2: of places. There are a ton of them. You do

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Speaker 2: a quick Google search Immigration volunteer near me. That's a

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01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 2: thing you can do. I know about a few in

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Speaker 2: Georgia that have been fantastic over the years. These two

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Speaker 2: that I'm gonna mention in particular. They say they practice

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Speaker 2: something called radical hospitality, which I think is an incredible,

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Speaker 2: just kind thing to do for someone, especially like family

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Speaker 2: members of someone who's in detention right now. El Rifugio

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Speaker 2: which is just a great place down in Lumpkin, Georgia

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Speaker 2: where they function down in Lumpkin, Georgia by the Stewart

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Speaker 2: Detention Center. You can go and volunteer with them. The

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Speaker 2: other one is Kasa Alterna, which is I believe created

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Speaker 2: by the same person or group of people. That's another

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Speaker 2: place where when people are super vulnerable and need a

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Speaker 2: place to stay. This group helps out so you can

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Speaker 2: go and volunteer with them and truly make a difference

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Speaker 2: in people's lives.

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Speaker 3: And well said, and thank you for putting out there, Matt.

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Speaker 3: We also want to recommend for you in the contiguous

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Speaker 3: United States, if you're looking for resources for yourself or

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Speaker 3: for loved one, please consider checking out things like the

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Speaker 3: Immigration Advocates Network. They have a national legal services directory.

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 3: Can pull it up by state, by zip code. You

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01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 3: will find advice, guidance, and legal assistance. So maybe it

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01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 3: can feel sometimes like the good guys are outnumbered, but

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01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean the good guys don't exist. Most importantly, folks,

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Speaker 3: thank you for tuning in. Stay safe out there. We'd

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Speaker 3: love to hear your thoughts. You can hit us up

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Speaker 3: on the lines. Should thou sip the social needs, you

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01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 3: can give us a phone call and you can always

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Speaker 3: send us an email.

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Speaker 4: You sure can. And I'm just to add one more

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Speaker 4: aspect to what you guys are talking about in terms

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Speaker 4: of things you can do. This is less maybe an action,

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Speaker 4: but I can't recommend enough. Just looking at images like

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Speaker 4: the ones I was mentioning from that artist Tammy Oo

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Speaker 4: Jakayama and seeing the faces of people and connecting what's

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Speaker 4: going on with people, and not just having it be

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Speaker 4: this amorphis concepts, because that's the design. That is the

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Speaker 4: design of it, is to make it amorphos and connected

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Speaker 4: to humans and emotion and humanity. So I would just

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Speaker 4: say that's why art is awesome, y'all. Check the journalism

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Speaker 4: and photojournalism. I think that's all part of the same.

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Speaker 4: You know, all of wax there so can't recommend that

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Speaker 4: kind of stuff enough. Do find us if you wish,

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Speaker 4: and let us know some of your favorite revolutionary artists

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Speaker 4: and some pieces that connect you to the reality of

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Speaker 4: injustices and things like we're seeing here. You can find

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Speaker 2: of this that we've been talking about today. If you've

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