1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Today on the bright Side, everything you've ever wanted to 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: know about sugar with nutritionist Vanessa Rossetto. 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: We've done many studies on fat and carbohydrates, but have 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: we done any studies on sugar. We happen not to 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: the degree that we need to do it to prove something, 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: because that would literally someone collapse entire industries. 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm simone voice and this is the bright Side from 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Welcome back to the bright Side. I am 9 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: going to make a bold prediction ahead of this episode. 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: This conversation with Vanessa Rossetto is about to blow your mind. 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: We get into all of it, the science of sugar. 12 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: We're busting the sugar myths that have been fed to 13 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: us by corporations for decades, and Vanessa will show us 14 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: how to give ourselves the sugar reset our bodies need. 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: And speaking of sugar addicts, I happen to live with 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: a few. These are my boys say Hi Hi and 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: Keenan Hi, Betty Bertie. Okay, that's that's Keenan's made up 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: language that he likes to use, but he says Hi. 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring my kids into this episode because 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: I've realized the way we eat is generational. It's something 21 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: we get into with Vanessa today. The research shows us 22 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: that eating patterns formed in childhood shape eating patterns in adulthood. 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: Do you know what sugar is, kngy, Yes, it's in candy. 24 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: You said something interesting the other day, Logan. You said 25 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: you're trying to cut back on sugar. 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 3: I'm cutting off sugar because I am I because when 27 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: I eat sugar it makes my tommy not feel good. 28 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: Oh really well, I think it's really wise that you 29 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: decided that you want to cut back on sugar. 30 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,559 Speaker 3: It also does it's not good for us because when 31 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: we eat lots and lots of candy and we don't 32 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: brush our tea for a long time, all of our 33 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: keys will come out, and our and our adult cheese 34 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: will not come in, and we will not have any 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: teeth when we are dune. Kelly, bake a cake. 36 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: You want to bake a cake? I love baking cakes together. 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: That's honestly. That's one of the things that I love 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: about sugar is the memories that we get to make together. 39 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: Hello, we can bake a cake and we can eat it. 40 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: Allah, I think that sounds like a great plan. Hey, 41 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: thanks for joining me on my podcast today, guys House one. Sure, Okay, So, 42 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: no matter how my kids define sugar, there's clearly plenty 43 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: of it in our house and I don't mind that. 44 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: But should I, I mean, should I feel guilty about that? 45 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: I mean, sugar was a huge part of my childhood 46 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 1: and it remains a big presence in adulthood. Is that 47 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: so bad? Well, let's find out, Vanessa Rosetta, Welcome to 48 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: the bright Side. Hi, thanks for having me. I'm a 49 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: little nervous. I have to be honest because your girl 50 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: loves sugar like I am that girl who orders crumble cookies. 51 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: I have a crumble cookie problem and I know it's 52 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: so bad for me, but I can't stop. Sugar makes 53 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: me happy. So just level set with me before we 54 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: dig into this, Vanessa, what should I expect from this 55 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: conversation today? Is it all bad when it comes to sugar? No, 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 1: it's not all bad. 57 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: I always tell people that I'm not here to take 58 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: anything away from you, but instead I'm gonna show you 59 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 2: how to do it. So I'm gonna show you how 60 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: you can still have crumble cookies if that's what you want. 61 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: But also we're gonna have like a very frank conversation 62 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: about how are you eating throughout the day? Yes, are 63 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: you not eating enough carbs in the beginning of the day. 64 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: Is this why you tend to crave sweets? Is it 65 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: a habit? Does it recalled joy? For example, I love 66 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: chocolate so much. But the reason that I love it 67 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: so much, I think or I know, is also in 68 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: part of how my relationship with my grandmother was. And 69 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: she always had chocolate for me, and so it makes 70 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: me happy. But I can think about that and it's like, oh, 71 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: it's because of my grandmother and like what she meant 72 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: to me and all of those things, So like where 73 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: does it fit in? 74 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: Wait, you're so right. I never thought about the stories 75 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: that are attached to sugar, the recipes like my mom's 76 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: apple cobbler that she makes exactly that brings back so 77 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: many memories for me. And then when I really think 78 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: about it, I probably love cake so much and sweet 79 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: so much because it takes me back to my childhood 80 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. 81 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: So like my grandmother and her sister, so like my 82 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: great aunt, they lived both in Manhattan, and they would 83 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 2: fight over me. I really loved like Nestley crunch bars 84 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: and kit kat bars and my Aunt Alice, who lived downtown. 85 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: She would know I was with my grandmother and she'd 86 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: be like, bring her here, and my grandmother would be 87 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 2: like no. And then I'd been on the phone with 88 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: Aunt Alice and she'd be like, but I have Nestley 89 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: crunch bars for you. 90 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: And I'd be like, I need to go an They're 91 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: just like good. Our relationship with sugar starts when we're young, 92 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: and as we're gonna hear today, it's something that we 93 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: have to can continually be aware of as we age 94 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: because it can impact the aging process. But before we 95 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: get there, I want to start with just the basics. 96 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: So when we say sugar, we are really talking about 97 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: the molecules glucose, fruitose, and sucrose. Right, Can you start 98 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: by explaining the basic function of sugar in the body, 99 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: Like what happens when it enters? What's going on there? 100 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, So sugar or like carbohydrates in various degrees, Right, 101 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: you have like complex carbohydrates, you would think like beans 102 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 2: or like rice and beans for example, although that's also 103 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: a complete protein. And then you would also think about 104 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: chocolate chip cookies. That all falls into the world of carbohydrates. 105 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: So do vegetables, my friends. So many times someone will 106 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 2: have a plate and you're like, show me the carbs, 107 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 2: and it'll be like a piece of chicken and broccoli 108 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: and they're like, there are no carbs on this plate. 109 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, the vegetables are a carbohydrate. But the 110 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: benefit of the fiber and the vitamins and the minerals, 111 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: how it gets digested, that is what we really care about. 112 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: So you would think about something that's more complex and 113 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: has higher fiber that is digested slower, and then it 114 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: keeps you full for longer, and so then you aren't 115 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: actually craving more of those, like I call them junky carbohydrates. 116 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: But when you just eat an Oreo cookie by itself, 117 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: or you eat Swedish fish by themselves, it just gets 118 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: digested really quickly and then you're hungry again. But we 119 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: use carbohydrates as our main energy source, so it is 120 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: very normal. That's the first place your body is going 121 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: to go looking for energy. This is what we need. 122 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: It's what every cell recognizes as the main energy source, 123 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: and that's what it wants. So that is a carbohydrate. 124 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: It gives you fuel, It helps your brain, it helps 125 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 2: you exercise, right, like when banana equals about ninety minutes 126 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: of exercise if we want to get down to it. 127 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: Although they get a bad rap a lot of times 128 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 2: because people feel like there's too much sugar in them, etc. 129 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you brought that up because I am 130 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: curious how you would rank the different forms of sugar, 131 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: because there's so many different types of sugar, especially now 132 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: with you know, technology as it continues to advance. So 133 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: how would you rank all the different kinds of sugar 134 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: from candy and cookies to the sugar content of a banana? 135 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: What's the worst and what's the best? 136 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so not all fruit is created equal, right, 137 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: So if you're thinking of like berries, the next book 138 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 2: that I write is gonna. 139 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: Be called Raspberries Are for Rich People. 140 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: Raspberries one cup is sixty eight calories and it costs 141 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: you eighteen dollars eighteen dollars and nine but nine grams 142 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: of fiber, right, So like that that's awesome, Like. 143 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: That's what we want. 144 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: That's what we want, Like nutrient density, the most bang 145 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: for our buck, That's what I'm always looking for. So 146 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter that it comes in the form of 147 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: the raspberry or the beans or the oats. It's all 148 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: also about the serving size. And so if you were 149 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: coming to me and you wanted to lose weight, but 150 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: you love to eat raspberries every day, I'd be like, great, 151 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: the raspberries are great. We're gonna pair them with call 152 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: it fifteen almonds. Or actually, you're gonna have a quarter 153 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: cup of oats, and you're gonna put one cup of 154 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: the berries, and you're gonna have chia seeds. I'm gonna 155 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: bulk up the fiber here so that you don't have 156 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: these spikes in your blood sugar, so that you maintain 157 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: good glucose levels and you're not kind of instantly craving sugar. 158 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: What happens when sugar carbs come into the bloodstream, you 159 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: have to get it into the cells. So how do 160 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: you do that? It's insulin, right, So the pangreas mobilizes 161 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: the insulin and then that helps us to absorb the carbohydrate. 162 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: If insulin is always up in the bloodstream, we see 163 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: that so is weight. And when insulin is always up, 164 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: we also see that we have a propensity to certain 165 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: types of cancers and so on and so forth, and 166 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: so telling people, we're teaching them how to eat. So 167 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: when I have a patient that will be like I 168 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: love to have ice cream at ten o'clock at night, 169 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, you can sell have ice cream, but 170 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: you have to have it adjacent to your meal, because 171 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: presumably in your meal you had adequate amounts of protein, 172 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: adequate amounts of fiber. For me, when you're thinking about 173 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 2: like sugar and carbohydrates, I actually put it in a 174 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: category of starch. And when I think of starch, I 175 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: think rice, pasta, corn, peas, potatoes, bread, cookies opposed to carb. 176 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: Like I said before, carb is in vegetables, carbon is 177 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: in fruit. Right, it's a little nuanced. And because carbs 178 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: always get such a bad rap, that's why I always 179 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: try to make that distinction so it's easier for people 180 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: to understand. 181 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: So on the totem pole of sugars, Vanessa, we have 182 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: raspberries right up there at the top. You got that 183 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: fiber in it, you got the low glucose content. And 184 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: then what's on the other side is white sugar still 185 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: the bad guy? Is it still the boogeyman? 186 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: No, it's how much of it you eat, That's what 187 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: the problem is. So what are the serving sizes and 188 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 2: I love when people are like, well, I don't eat 189 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: till three o'clock and it's just a latte and I 190 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 2: have sucralos, and I'm like, that is not it, guys. 191 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, the one teaspoon of sugar that you're putting 192 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: in your coffee if not what your main problem is. 193 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: So can you explain why that's not it? It's about 194 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: the behaviors and everything in aggregate. One teaspoon of sugar 195 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: is like sixteen calories. This is nothing to talk about, right, Like, 196 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: you you can have sugar in your day. It's when 197 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: I hear the people ordering and it's like, can I 198 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: have six puns of vanilla steyrup? 199 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: And you're like, wow, okay, now you've taken it to 200 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: this place where now we have to be concerned. But 201 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 2: then when you're thinking like white sugar, honey, agave coconut sugar, 202 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 2: sugar in the raw, brown sugar, well. 203 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: Like it's just sugar. Your body doesn't know that it 204 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: was brown or that it was honey, and one is 205 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: not better than the other. Wait wait, wait, wait, Vanessa, 206 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: you're telling me that when I was buying sugar in 207 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: the raw this whole time, it didn't make a difference. 208 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: No, it didn't make a difference. 209 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so mad right now, I'm so mad. 210 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: I'll tell you another one. 211 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 2: You know, like feta is already low fat, so when 212 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: you go out and buy low fat feta, it's just marketing. 213 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: Oh so you heard it here first, just buy the 214 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: feta as is. This is a big blow. I know, 215 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: I was. It hurts here. I was thinking I was 216 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: doing the right thing, buying the sugar and the raw 217 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: the brown sugars. No, just regular. 218 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: Actually, you know, it's so funny. 219 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: The other day I had a convers Yes Friday's Sunday, 220 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: my ex husband comes over and he's like, I made 221 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: this with brown rice. And I'm like, Michael, you understand, 222 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: and that the difference between brown rice and white rice 223 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: is actually negligible. Like brown rice maybe has three grams 224 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: of fiber and white rice has two grams of fiber. 225 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: And if I'm being honest, the brown rice has been 226 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: stripped and then refortified enriched, so it's actually more processed 227 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: than the white rice. So if you just had your 228 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: half a cup of white rice, you'd be fine. And 229 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: he was like, are you hearing this? I'm looking at 230 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: my producer from the side, because I'm just like, you're 231 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: rocking my world right now, Vanessa, I know, and like 232 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: for me, it's like less processing is what is better? Yes, 233 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: that does make a lot of sense to me, like 234 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: getting as close as we can to how the food 235 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: grows out of the earth. So you mentioned the marketing 236 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: behind a lot of these green washed products, and the 237 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: marketing has been so effective. And then when we zoom 238 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: out and think about marketing, like the diet marketing that 239 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: I grew up with as a childhood the nineties was 240 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: fat is bad, Yeah, sugar is good. Yeah. And now 241 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: it seems like the tables have turned. And so I'm 242 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: wondering from your perspective, what's driving that narrative. Is it 243 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: more studies, more information, or is it truly capitalism that part. 244 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: I also grew up in the nineties, and I thought 245 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: snack walls were a free food, right. They forgot to 246 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 2: tell us they took the fat out and put sugar 247 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: in to give the same feeling. Right, We've done many 248 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: studies on fat and carbohydrates, but have we done any 249 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: studies on sugar. We haven't, not to the degree that 250 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: we need to do it. To prove something, because that 251 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 2: would literally someone collapse entire industries, right, what would happen 252 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: to cereal? 253 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: Cereal? 254 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: This is probably why my husband NXE husband I got 255 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: divorced because even brings cereal into the house and I'd 256 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: be like, what are you doing? Do not put this 257 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: cereal here? It's useless? It does nothing, And he's like, 258 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: what are you talking about? 259 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: Didn't send the kids here? 260 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, I guess they're at school. Another 261 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 2: teacher's problem. But guys, no, no, no, you think a 262 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: cereal is healthy? And then you look at the serving size, 263 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: it's like seventy grams of sugar for one cup. 264 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: Big Cereal. Has it come in? Let's just say that, yes, yes, 265 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: the cereal industrial complex is real truly. 266 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: Like when I tell people my favorite cereal, I'm like, 267 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,599 Speaker 2: I buy that when I'm wanting a treat, and I 268 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 2: would not eat it for breakfast. I like put it 269 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: in a baggy, take it with me, and everyone's like, 270 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: what do you eat? I'm like, yes, I'm reliving my youth. 271 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: Leave me alone. 272 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: So gold okay, okay, you know I had to ask her. Yeah, 273 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: corn pops. It was Golden Gram's hired people corn pops, 274 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, frosted flakes. The problem with having children is 275 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: you wind up eating all their snacks. And so lately 276 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: I've been eating the Trader Joe's version of tricks and 277 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: it is so good. I'm sure it's delicious. 278 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: But back to kids, though, Right when you are a kid, 279 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: your taste buds are bitter. This is why, right when 280 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: you're little you don't like tomatoes, but when you're an 281 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: adult you do like them. Your taste buds are bitter. 282 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: So if you are introduced sweets early on, this is 283 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 2: all you are going to have a propensity towards. This 284 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: is why we tried to delay and hold. Not that 285 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: you can have something sweet, but just how we do it. 286 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: And like instead of apple sauce, like giving the fruit 287 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: it is full form and things like that. 288 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I have already ruined one of my kids. 289 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: Listen, I don't allow juice. I allow everything else, but 290 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: I don't allow juice. My kids are thirteen and eleven 291 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: and they go to birthday parties and literally mainline the juice. 292 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: They don't eat the pizza, and the mother will be like, 293 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: h Rocco just had like eighty five twenty ounce cups 294 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: of soda? 295 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: Is this gonna be okay? I'm like, it's fine. 296 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: He doesn't get it at home, Like no, geus knows that, 297 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: Like that's it. 298 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: Wait, this is fascinating. Children are born with bitter taste buds. 299 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're giving them something in there. It's like you're 300 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: killing them. Like, oh my gosh, this is so disgusting. 301 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: It's like yeah, because this is how they're perceiving it 302 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: and changes over time. 303 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: Wow. Okay. And then so with my son that I 304 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: have ruined in terms of sugar, can I fix him? 305 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: Is he fixable? Or yeah? How old is he? He's three? Four? 306 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: He's four? Oh girl, we can reprogram him in like 307 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, four hours. Amazing. 308 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is more of like mommy has a job 309 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: and you have a job, and these are our jobs, 310 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: and this is how we're going to eat this, and 311 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: we're not gonna have this anymore. We're gonna have this 312 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: and if you don't want to eat it, you don't 313 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 2: have to. 314 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more. Vanessa risetto after this 315 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: quick break and we're back. Okay. So I do want 316 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: to go back to though this idea of the narrative 317 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: around sugar and how it has evolved in the public eye. 318 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: Do you see a more intense focus on sugar right now? 319 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: Right now because of a new administration, And like, here's 320 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: the thing. It's good, right, like great, expose big business 321 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: and highlight how there is a lot of trash in 322 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: our food. This is a reason why forty two point 323 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: four percent of Americans up until last year were overweight 324 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: or obese, and only because of the advent of golp 325 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: ones that there was a seventeen percent reduction. And I 326 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: was just in France earlier in the summer and I 327 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: was like, wow, everyone is thin. And I looked it 328 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: up and their obesity rate is fourteen and a half percent. 329 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: That was close to ours in the nineties and nineteen 330 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: ninety one, the obesity rate was twelve percent. And so 331 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: we are smarter and we have more resources, and we're 332 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: far worse off. So what is that about. It's a 333 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: couple of things. I think it's trying to take the 334 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: personalization out of how you will be, you know, seeing 335 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: a dietitian or things of that nature. Right, Like why 336 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: can't you have a coach in perpetuity? You can go 337 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: to a therapist every week? For your whole life. Right, 338 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: So why can't you see a dietitian Probably not every 339 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: week for your whole life, but like at a regular 340 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: cadence to get the help that you need to, you know, 341 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: help you have a better outcome. Go see a dietitian. 342 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: Your insurance pace for it. Ninety three percent of our 343 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: patients exercise their insurance benefits. 344 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: Is there a biologically necessary amount of sugar that we need? No, Okay, 345 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: you need. 346 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: Carbohydrates, right, You need carbohydrates and that this cyber that's 347 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: the distinction, right, But sugar. 348 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: I don't need sugar to live. 349 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: I don't I need a carb I should have one, right, 350 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 2: in a fibrous form that's going to be more beneficial 351 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 2: for me. But I don't need sugar. 352 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: I need sugar to live. That's just but that's a 353 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: personal issue that I'm working through. 354 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 2: Well, we'll get you on the back end. 355 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, fix it, we'll fix up. Thinking about a healthy, 356 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: realistic daily cap is there a number that you keep 357 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: in mind for your clients. Yeah, So when you're looking 358 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: at packaged goods, you're looking for five grams of sugar 359 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: or less. 360 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: That's what I would be looking for. Added sugar right, 361 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 2: So men should have about thirty six grams of sugar 362 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: a day, right, and women is like twenty five. It's 363 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: like six teaspoons for a woman and nine teaspoons for 364 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: a man, or like around one hundred calories. 365 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: Right. 366 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 2: But if you think about a twelve ounce can of soda, 367 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: that is forty grams, So you just blew. 368 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: It out of the water. You just blew your daily allowance. 369 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: And then so twenty five grams of sugar, twenty. 370 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: Five grams of added sugar, right, sugar per day, per day, 371 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: per day. 372 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: Peanut butter is a really good example. The best peanut 373 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: butter brand is that Costco. It's the Kirkland Organic Natural 374 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: peanut butter. But because of how peanuts are grown, the 375 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: volatility of it, they don't always have it. 376 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: However, it is literally just peanuts, oil, salt, awesome peanut. 377 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 2: Once in a while they don't have it. And I 378 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: go to the supermarket across the street and I just 379 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: pick up a thing of peanut butter and then I 380 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 2: taste it. I'm like, why is this so sweet? And 381 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 2: I turn it around and it's like six grams added sugar. 382 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, why why is that here? So it's sneaky 383 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 2: in different things. But then if you're somebody who just 384 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: has a daily propensity towards sweet things, you are likely 385 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 2: exceeding that threshold on a daily basis. And then how 386 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: does that negatively impact you? Like I said before, right 387 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: when you're eating too much sugar, it tills the liver, 388 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 2: make calories, store fat. So it can affect like your triglycerides, 389 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 2: your cholesterol, your LDL, which is the biggest predictor of 390 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: stroke or heart attack. It can cause dysregulation of your 391 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: endocrine systems. Sort're thinking of like type two diabetes, Like 392 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: maybe your weight isn't managed proper. And then what's long 393 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: term like is it cancer, is it dementia? All of 394 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: these things because we know that sugar also erodes the cells. 395 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 2: So what is the balance? Because I'm definitely not saying 396 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 2: not to have chocolate or sugar, that's not it. It's like, 397 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 2: can you play within that box? 398 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: What if you eat a lot of fruit. We know 399 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: that fruit has natural sugars in it. Is there a 400 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: cap that you would suggest to your clients in terms 401 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: of how much fruit they eat in a day? 402 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just teach them how to do it. 403 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: So like I said before, some fruits are better than others, right, 404 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: Like the raspberry example, it has a fair amount of fiber. 405 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: So if you told me you had a cup of 406 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 2: raspberries by themsells or blueberries or strawberries, I'd be like, 407 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: it's not like amazing, but it's fine because there is fiber, 408 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: et cetera. But if you pair something that does have 409 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 2: sugar or maybe is like a little bit heavier in 410 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: a carbohydrate with a fat or end or protein, that's 411 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 2: going to stabilize your blood sugar and you're not gonna 412 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 2: get this spike, right, So you will just really like reap. 413 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: The benefits and get the energy source. 414 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: But you're not going to be like you know, when 415 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: you eat a cookie and then you're looking for more cookies, 416 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: or then you're looking you have ice cream and then 417 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: you're looking for the candy. You just don't feel like 418 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 2: you can stop. Where in those scenarios you can stop, 419 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 2: you will be appropriately satisfied. What are some of the 420 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: other factors that drive sugar cravings? Like I said earlier, 421 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: what are you eating in the day? When are you 422 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 2: eating in the day? Honestly, if you are somebody that 423 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: gets up in the morning, runs three miles. You know, 424 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: you're taking your kids out and you don't eat your 425 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 2: first meal until two o'clock and it has no carbohydrate 426 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 2: in it. How are you going to make it to 427 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: nine o'clock at night? 428 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: You're not. You're going to be tired, exhausted. 429 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 2: And once the day is over and your kids are 430 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: in bed and you're just sitting on a couch watching 431 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 2: TV with your partner, then the defenses are down and 432 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: you don't even know what you're doing, and you're just 433 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 2: going into the pantry and you're just pulling. 434 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: Whatever it is to fill you up. 435 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: And so that is always like you know of fence 436 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 2: number one. You just aren't eating it off throughout the 437 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: day and you're not front loading your carbohydrates, and carbs 438 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: are not the enemy. 439 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: You do not have to be scared. What about stress 440 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: and cortisol levels? Does that drive sugar cravings at all? 441 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: It can? 442 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: But the thing is the stress that you think you 443 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: might be under might not really be that stressful. Does 444 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 2: that make sense? 445 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: Like you're like, oh, I'm stressed out. Your body is 446 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: handling it just fine. 447 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: So really, people having increased cortisol I have not seen 448 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 2: it that much. I know it's like all over the 449 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 2: internet and all over TikTok, and it like checker cortisol level. 450 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 2: And I swear to God, if I've counseled twenty thousand 451 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: people in my career, maybe like five of them have 452 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 2: had elevated cortisol for real. 453 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: So you're saying we shouldn't be taking our medical advice 454 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: from TikTok. 455 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: Probably not, that's probably not it. I do think though, 456 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: there are people that do stress eat, So there's that again. 457 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: It's like, what are the behaviors, what are the habits? 458 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 2: How do you deal with stress? 459 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: That is the culprit You deal with stress, You associate 460 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: and you just eat cookies and it makes you feel better. 461 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: Okay, great, let's now work around that. And that's something 462 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 2: that you do every day. 463 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: Every day. 464 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 2: You might notice that you come home and you just like, whoop, 465 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 2: eat a sleeve of cookies. Okay, great, Now we're gonna 466 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: reframe it. 467 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: They're gonna go outside for a walk, and you're gonna 468 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: have a breakfast, a small breakfast, and you're not gonna snack, 469 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: and you're gonna eat regular meals and you are going 470 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: to be helped. 471 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: It's going to take time, but you can do it. 472 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: Vanessa, there's a conversation about sugar and aging that I 473 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,479 Speaker 1: really want to learn more about from you. I honestly 474 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: didn't really know that there was a connection between sugar 475 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: and aging until I was preparing for this interview. But 476 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: let's get into some specifics. So first of all, how 477 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: does over consumption of sugar advance or quicken the process 478 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: of aging? 479 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: Well, it causes inflammation, right, So you could just think 480 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 2: about it like that, and if you have skin issues 481 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: to begin with, like maybe it's going to make egzema 482 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 2: flare up more, maybe you're gonna have acne more. Like 483 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: I said, it degrades the cells. And if you're constantly 484 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: eating sugar and you aren't somebody who's eating vegetables and 485 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 2: lots of fruit, right, That's the thing when we hear 486 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: these like studies kind of nuanced, it's like, well, the 487 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: reason why it accelerates aging is because people like this 488 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,239 Speaker 2: likely are not going to the gym cold plunging their 489 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: face and eating vegetables. 490 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 1: So it's like habit stacking, painting a picture of all 491 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: the habits together. 492 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, all the habits together. 493 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,719 Speaker 1: But again, like it's just like if you drink every day, right, 494 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: Like people are like, oh, that person looks really old, 495 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, they drink a lot of alcohol. 496 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: So that's why they look old because of the constant inflammation. 497 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: And so, yes, I get it. 498 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: The sugar it like floods dopamine into the brain and 499 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: it makes you feel good and it makes you feel happy, 500 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 2: But there are other things that can make you happy. 501 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: And if you set yourself up for success eating adequate 502 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 2: amounts of protein, fat, carbohydrate, fiber at every single meal, 503 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: then you won't crave the sugar as much. You'll be 504 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: able to just have the one cookie or the one 505 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: can or whatever it is. You won't have to do 506 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: it in excess. So what about brain fog? 507 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: What does current research show about the relationship between over 508 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: consumption of sugar and brain fog. 509 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a real thing, right, It's affecting those 510 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: brain cells. And when you are, for example, like my 511 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 2: friends and I are hall paramount and puzzle and a puzzle, 512 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 2: it's lowered estrogen, right, And so when your estrogen is lowered, 513 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: you're looking to feel happier, so then you crave more sugar. 514 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 2: It's a whole cascade. But you're not doing yourself any 515 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 2: favors and you're not protecting your brain. It also is 516 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: going to affect your sleep. So when you're eating sugar 517 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: like well into the layer part of the evening, your 518 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 2: body's going to take time to metabolize and so then 519 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: you wake up at two three o'clock in the morning. 520 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,239 Speaker 2: This is the same thing with alcohol. Your body has 521 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 2: to sacrifice all metabolic process in order to push it 522 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: away from the bloodstream. Even though alcohol is a macronutrient, 523 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: it's like a selfish one. You don't really get any 524 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 2: benefit from it, and so your body has to do 525 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: this work. Let's say it's wine. It has to break 526 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: everything down, all the sugars, et cetera, and get it 527 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: to it's natural state, which is ethanol, and then it 528 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: could be moved out as a byproduct. And so what 529 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 2: happens to everything that you ate, You ate, it gets 530 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: stored as fat. This is why you feel hungover, the 531 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 2: sugar hangover. That's a real thing. 532 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: It's very bad. It's very bad. Wait, describe what's happening 533 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: when we feel that sugar hangover. 534 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: So everything you ate got stored as fat, right, and 535 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 2: so now you didn't actually reap any benefit of what 536 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 2: you were ingesting. So it's like you didn't eat anything, right, 537 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: imagine what the whole day and you ate nothing. That's 538 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 2: me after a crumble binge. Yeah, it's not good. This 539 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 2: crumble thing is so funny. The other day my daughter 540 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 2: ordered it to the house and I was like, what 541 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: is this? How is it getting here? 542 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: She was like, it's delicious. 543 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 2: Mom, Okay, okay, it's kind of funny. 544 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: Your daughter and I would get along. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 545 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: she's she loves the well she's not mine, and she's like, 546 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 1: I don't like chocolate. 547 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, really, what is this? But she loves 548 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: a good sour patch kit. That's where she's at. 549 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: She is my people. How about sugars and hormones. I'm 550 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: guessing they're not friends. 551 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: It's not really that. It's just depends, right, like where 552 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 2: are you in the cycle? Right, different parts of the cycle, 553 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: like your period or whatever, it will require you to 554 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: eat more or eat less of something, or you're going 555 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: to create something. Not like that is actually a very 556 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: real thing, and you can pay attention to your body 557 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: in the different phases as it relates to like menopause. 558 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 2: For me, I think the sugar needs to be kept 559 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 2: to a minimum because you don't have the protective effects 560 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 2: of the estrogen, so you are very much exposed. Women 561 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 2: in menopause because they don't have estrogen, their propensity towards 562 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: heart disease goes up. And like I said earlier, if 563 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 2: you're eating too much sugar, what happens tells the liver 564 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: make calories, store fat, so it's clogging the arteries. So 565 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 2: you have to be paying attention and other things that 566 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: affect it. Right, it's the alcohol, it's when you're eating. 567 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: Don't omit things. Put pair things together because then you're 568 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: going to be better off. 569 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: We've got to take a quick break, but we'll be 570 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: right back. 571 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: Back. 572 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: Well, Vanessa, you have been such a truth teller throughout 573 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: this conversation. Don't stop now. Now I need to talk 574 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: to you about artificial sweeteners. I need the truth. Yeah, so. 575 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 2: We don't actually know the mechanism of action, but we 576 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 2: do see that people who tend to over consume things 577 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: with artificial sweetener have more of a sweet tooth. So 578 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: like you're drinking Die Die coke like crazy, and then 579 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 2: you're like also eating so many cookies. It's okay, I 580 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 2: guess if you're not diabetic, but our diabetic friends like, 581 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: we got to pay attention to that. 582 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm feeling super vulnerable and exposed right now. I 583 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: drink a lot of Coke zero. 584 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 2: And then you see like and then here I'll blow 585 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: your mind about the Coke zero. 586 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 1: And please, I love a Coke zero guys. I love 587 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: to go to France and be like, can I have 588 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: a salt soup? And they're like, yes, you can. 589 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 2: But when you think of a sugar molecule, right, it 590 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: has three water molecules and one on hydrogen. And we 591 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: with sucralows, we remove the three water molecules and we 592 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 2: use chlorine. One of my professors in school, he was 593 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 2: on the team that created Slinda, and then we would 594 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 2: have to recreate things in the lab to be like 595 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: sugar free or whatever. He would taste it and then 596 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 2: he would spit it out and. 597 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: He created He was one of the Wow. I was like, 598 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm not having it. 599 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: And then you think about the plant based ones, so 600 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 2: like monk fruit and stevia, and you can even think 601 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: also like erythritol. So erythrotol is very interesting because it 602 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 2: doesn't come into the bloodstream, so you are not adversely affected, 603 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: and the glycemic index is zero. The monk fruit and 604 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: the stevia it's okay too, but it could bother your stomach, 605 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 2: so you have to like watch if you can tolerate that, 606 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: even a diabetic right, If I teach you how to 607 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: carb account, you probably don't need sugar free things unless 608 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 2: you are deep into the sodas, et cetera. And this 609 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: is the only way for you to be able to 610 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: still have it. But we can get you to a 611 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: place where your blood sugar is stable because how much 612 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 2: how many cakes are you eating and how many cookies 613 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: are you having, and how frequent is it? 614 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: Like, who cares if you have two cookies? That's okay. 615 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm so happy that I get to have this conversation 616 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: with you because it's really confronting for me to take 617 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: a step back and look at my own nutrition because 618 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: I have this image of myself as being very healthy, 619 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: and for the most part, I am, but I do 620 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: have these vices that I allow in like coke zero 621 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: and crumble and cake. And it's really interesting to see 622 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: how quickly just a little treat here, a little treat 623 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: there can really cumulatively add up. 624 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's always about the sum of the average, 625 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 2: Like are you having diet coke and cookies and cakes 626 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 2: every day? Then okay, maybe we need to take a 627 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: closer look and make some adjustments. And it's not that 628 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: you can't have a diet coke or a coke zero 629 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: every day. I mean you probably can. We just have 630 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 2: to track and pay attention and see where we could 631 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: make some improvements. Like the rules are not hard and fast. 632 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 2: You just need to make sure that you're giving yourself 633 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 2: the best chance and that it's sustainable. 634 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: And when we think about solutions, a lot of people 635 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: are turning to these GLP one type drugs, right it's 636 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: on the top of everyone's mind. What the GOLP one 637 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: is doing is delaying gastric emptying so you feel full 638 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: for longer, and then you should lose weight because your 639 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: Frohlinds purpose is eating less. It's an interesting thing because 640 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: people tend to underreport, so everyone's like, I don't know, 641 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything different, But I always think it's 642 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: interesting because if somebody's problem is not over consumption, then 643 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: do they see benefit when having a GOLP one? Is 644 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: there a place for GLP one one thousand percent. It's 645 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: very promising because a lot of these people have a 646 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: lot of food noise. And if you're not somebody with 647 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: food noise, you can't understand. But they just think about 648 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: food all day, every day. So that's what food noise is. 649 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: It's the internal dialogue about food. 650 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And like I don't have that, but I 651 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 2: have patience that have told it to me, and I'm like, 652 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 2: this is really fascinating. 653 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: Like you just wake up and like all you do 654 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: is think about every meal to the point where it 655 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: could like impact how they do work. And so a 656 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: GLP one is amazing for them because they don't think 657 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: about it and they just they can execute and that's it. 658 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: And I think also we can think about if you're 659 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 2: five hundred pounds and you live in a housing project 660 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: and you only ate fast food, you were not going 661 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: to have like taste buds to eat Cigy's plain yogurt. Guys, 662 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: you're just not. So so let's level set here. The 663 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 2: GLP one can very easily help someone menopausal women. I 664 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: have so many manipeazal women that come to me that 665 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: do so much hard work and they're like it's not working. 666 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 2: I'm like listen, you gave it an honest try. So 667 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 2: now this is a tool to help you. So doesn't 668 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: say that you're not going to eat sugar, but you're 669 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 2: going to eat it less and you're not going to 670 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: think about it as much as you probably had done previously. 671 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: What are the questions that come to your mind as 672 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: a nutritionist about the long term effects of these drugs. Yes, 673 00:31:58,880 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: they are well researched. 674 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 2: We've used them for years, but we've used them at 675 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 2: a certain dose on a certain population. And so what 676 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 2: I think about first is at the higher dosages, what 677 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: does that mean? 678 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: Long term? 679 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean cancer, doesn't mean like you're ruining your GI tract. 680 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: I have no idea. 681 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 2: Then I think about the compounded drugs because that's a 682 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 2: lot of what's out on the market right now, and 683 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: we didn't do any trials on those drugs. So what 684 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 2: is going to happen to people who use them and 685 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: also got result from it? What does that mean are 686 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 2: they on it long term? 687 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: What goes down? 688 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 2: And so I'm not saying it's something the farious is 689 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: going to happen, but I'm also not saying that it's not. 690 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: And none of us actually really know well GLP ones 691 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: are just one of the things that people are talking 692 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: about on the internet when it comes to diet and nutrition. 693 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: We pulled a few other clickbait claims from TikTok and 694 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: we want to run these by you. First. One, we 695 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: have carbs after six pm turned straight into fat? Is 696 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: that true? No? Who says this don't know? 697 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 2: It's like so in a blanket statement. I mean, I 698 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: guess it is to try to like get you not 699 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 2: to eat any sugar at night, is probably. 700 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: The reason for it. But that is not true. That's 701 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: very nuanced. 702 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 2: So no, but remember, like I said, if you ate 703 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 2: one hundred calories of cookies, it spikes your blood sugar 704 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: and it tells your liver make calories and store fat. 705 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: So you could follow the logic kind of, but it's 706 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: not one hundred percent true. Sugars cause yourselves to mutate 707 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: when they regenerate, leading to aging. We talked about sugar 708 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: and aging, but I don't remember you mentioning that. No, 709 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: it's not mutation, it's inflammation and degeneration. That's what it's causing. Okay, 710 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: just seventy five grams of sugar, which is about the 711 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: same in one of those prepackaged smoothies suppresses neutrophil immune 712 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: function for up to five hours. I don't even know 713 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: what half of that meant. Why is that even actually 714 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: like important? Right? 715 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 2: Like I don't no. 716 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: And also seventy five what did you say said? If 717 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: I have grams of sugar? Yeah, that's a lot. 718 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 2: I think that's the thing we should talk about. Why 719 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 2: are you eating seventy five grams of sugar in one 720 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 2: sitting because you're having a smoothie? 721 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: Like okay, but don't we all know not to do that? 722 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: Don't we all know? 723 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 2: Don't go to those juice places and get one of 724 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: those things because it's gonna be semi ninie grams of 725 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 2: sugar and you're gonna feel terrible. It's kind of like 726 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 2: this high feructose corn syrup thing and soda or the 727 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 2: red dye. Like how many skittles are your kids eating? 728 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 2: That's the general PSA. I don't care if my kids 729 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: have Peeps or Skittles or eminems because it's not an 730 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 2: everyday thing. It's like Halloween. Then you know, Christmas is 731 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 2: basically another Halloween, and then somehow Easter is another Halloween, 732 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 2: and so they have the candy every day, you know, 733 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 2: for two days, three days, and then they forget about 734 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 2: it until the next holiday. 735 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: And the common thread here is consumerism. It's marketing. It's 736 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: all marketing. 737 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 2: It's all marketing. It's all yeah, no, no, no, guys, 738 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: do you control what's going on in your house a 739 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 2: little better? Okay, speaking of kids, this one's interesting. It's 740 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 2: not safe to give a baby any refined sugar until 741 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 2: at least. 742 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: One year old. That's totally true. Oh, this is this 743 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: is kind of giving you your child the best chance 744 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,479 Speaker 1: at success with their relationship with sugar. Yeah, it's even 745 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: like I can get really really technical. 746 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 2: You know, you wouldn't give your baby your infant yogurt 747 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 2: until about nine months ten months because their kidneys like 748 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 2: can't take it. Introducing something very sweet to a baby 749 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,479 Speaker 2: like now you're taxing their endocrine system and they're little, 750 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 2: so like that shouldn't be it, right. 751 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: We need to like phase. 752 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 2: Approach the food, get their body used to digestion all 753 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 2: of these things. Also, think about it, the more sugar 754 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 2: you have, the more like gastric disturbances you can have. 755 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: When people were stick in the hospital and they'd be 756 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: like they're losing weight, give them boosts, and I'm like, 757 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: this patient has tons of diarrhea and the boost is 758 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 1: just going to make more diarrhea. 759 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 2: So please, like any dietician that's like, And then I 760 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 2: get my patient boots, I'm like, I've written you off 761 00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 2: your your this is not it. 762 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: Nope. First of all, you look at the nutritional label 763 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: on those things. It's disgusting. Awesome thing. If someone is 764 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: out there listening to this conversation and thinking, wow, this 765 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: is such great information. How can I give my body 766 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: a reset from sugar? What would you prescribe them. 767 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 2: A dietitian, harget, Let's say, yeah, let you do it 768 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 2: by yourself. It's hard. You need to be able to 769 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 2: talk to somebody and ask questions and like send somebody 770 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 2: your food and have this back and forth dialogue so 771 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 2: that you can get corrected in real time. But I 772 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 2: guess the thing I would say if you are going 773 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 2: to do it by yourself, is like one thing at 774 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 2: a time. So if you tell me that you have 775 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 2: six Oreo cookies every single night, well then tonight, let's 776 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 2: have four, and let's eat it adjacent to our dinner, 777 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 2: not at the nine o'clock hour that you have, right, 778 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 2: And so we'll just try that for a week. That 779 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 2: worked great. Now, let's have four orio cookies every other 780 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 2: day for the next week, right, and just phase it 781 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 2: that way so that you break the habit. 782 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: But just quitting sid something cold turkey that is never 783 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: gonna work. Guys, Vanessa, what's one fact about sugar? You 784 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: wish everyone new that all sugar is the same, white sugar, 785 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: brown sugar, coconut sugar, agavet honey. They were like, oh, 786 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: it's this somebody fancy honey. 787 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know what that is. Honey's honey's 788 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 2: honey and sugar. 789 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: That's it. 790 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 2: It's all the same. Your body doesn't know the difference. 791 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 2: So save your money and you don't need to be 792 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 2: having like sugar free things. Let's just work on how 793 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 2: often you're having the sugar. 794 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: What's up, Domino, Sugar, I'm about to pull through. I'm 795 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: about to pick you up to take you home with me. 796 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I have in my house. I put 797 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 2: in a fancy like glass jar with a like a 798 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 2: gold container. And it's like, yeah, of course, yeah, you 799 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 2: have to put your sugar in a fancy jar. I 800 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 2: mean that's naturally, that's how I can stay here in 801 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 2: this house. 802 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: Vanessa, I want to end on this note. We ask 803 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: all of our guests this here on the bright side, 804 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: because it's your moment to shine. What are you celebrating 805 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: in your life right now? I am celebrating that I 806 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: have these kids that are really self sufficient. I've got 807 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: a thirteen year old and eleven year old that are 808 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: actually like nice. There's no drama with them or their 809 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: friend groups, and they do things on their own, like 810 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: get themselves so they buss on their own, pack their 811 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: own bag, and I'm like, all right, we're firing at 812 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: all cylinders. There's hope. Vanessa. You deserve a run of 813 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: applause for that, because that's you. You know that, Yes, 814 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: that's you and your parenting. Yeah, thank you, Thank you, Vanessa, 815 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: was so great to meet you. Thank you so much 816 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: for just blowing my mind. When it comes to sugar anytime, 817 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: I'm happy to work you through however you like you're 818 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: viewing it. I don't want to call it an addiction. 819 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 1: It brings joy, so we can get a plan, work 820 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: through a plan. It's definitely not an addiction. It's just 821 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: joy and pleasure, and like you know what, life is 822 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: hard and short and sure, and it's like I'm gonna 823 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: die anyways, I might as well enjoy it. Yeah, I 824 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: want to be happy. I agree with you. I'm an 825 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: eighty twenty girl at the end of the day. Honestly, 826 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: that's awesome. You'll be fin You'll live a long life. 827 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 1: I'm sure of it. Vanessa, thanks so much for coming 828 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: on the bright Side. 829 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. 830 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. Vanessa Rizzetto is a registered dietitian 831 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: and CEO and co founder of Colleena Health. The bright 832 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: Side is a production of Hello Sunshine and iHeart Podcasts 833 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 1: and is executive produced by Reese Witherspoon and me Simone Boyce. 834 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: Production is by a Cast Creative Studios. Our producers are 835 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: Taylor Williamson, Abby Delk, and Adrian Bain. Our production assistant 836 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: is Joya putnoy Acasts. Executive producers are Jenny Kaplan and 837 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: Emily Rudder. 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