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Speaker 3: Oh so it has to be was already thinking of

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Speaker 3: the super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Now it can be a super Bowl ticket, Okay, but

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Speaker 4: you can't say to see the Cowboys because you don't know, correct, right,

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Speaker 4: what sporting event would you go to.

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Speaker 3: I've never been to the super Bowl, so that would

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Speaker 3: be the one.

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Speaker 2: Dude?

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Speaker 3: How expensive were those I've never had a pay for

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Speaker 3: I don't know, But like you've.

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Speaker 4: Heard right, Yeah, I mean you could probably get in

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Speaker 4: closer to the game for a lot cheaper if you'd

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Speaker 2: Like ten grand.

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Speaker 3: I think ten grand. I think you can get in

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Speaker 3: day for like a thousand bucks. Hey yeah, from a

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Speaker 3: scalp for one thousand bucks up high.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can get good seats three weeks out, depending

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Speaker 4: on the team too. But yet, I mean not you can.

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Speaker 4: I promise you can get it for a thousand bucks.

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Speaker 5: I've always thought that it's like one of those tickets

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's crazy amount of money.

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Speaker 4: I've gone twice, and it's cool and fine to go.

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Speaker 3: It's it's just nothing special. But if your team's in it,

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Speaker 3: oh don't you want to be there?

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Speaker 4: You do, but you don't feel like your team's in it.

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Speaker 4: I mean you do cause you're watching it, but it's

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Speaker 4: not like you're with other rabid fans. It's so corporate

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Speaker 4: and it's people everywhere.

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Speaker 3: They say the average price is eight thousand dollars.

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Speaker 4: It's average, though, I'm saying you can get in for

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Speaker 4: a thousand bucks day of the lowest ticket.

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Speaker 3: I bet you get in a thousand bucks, says the

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Speaker 3: lowest is six thousand. I don't think so. For what

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Speaker 3: super Bowl? Though? Is that just the last one super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: That's crazy?

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Speaker 1: LA?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Tampa, maybe La, La, because I remember, I'll still

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Speaker 4: saying I think can get it for a thousand bucks.

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Speaker 4: I stand by it. Crappy seats. Is this experiment we

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Speaker 4: need to do? Make a bet on it?

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Speaker 3: Yes, So yeah, it's fun. If you can, you can go.

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Speaker 3: What about yours? Your what's your ticket?

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Speaker 4: Probably college FOOTBA championship. That'll be fun.

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Speaker 5: That'd be really cool. Any team, well, you can't pick

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Speaker 5: Like especially like next year, I through a twelve team playoff.

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Speaker 5: not about money and college championship.

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Speaker 4: NFL is way more corporate. College is way more fan based.

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Speaker 3: Mayhem. Yeah, that would be cool.

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Speaker 4: So we're here, Hopra has a great holiday. We're gonna

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Speaker 4: look back at some of our favorite twenty five whistles.

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Speaker 4: Interviews from twenty twenty three takes some time, and if

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Speaker 4: career talk with Doug Gottlieb from Fox Radio, who is

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Speaker 4: We'll do football and coaching with Chris Climbing at Kansas State,

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Speaker 4: and then we'll get into some gambling with ESPN's expert

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Speaker 3: The Stanford Steve interview is cool, fun. Yeah, you learn

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Doug Gottlieb, great basketball player. We'll start with him at

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Speaker 4: He talked about all that playing days, which college town

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Speaker 4: Doug on Twitter at Gottlieb Show and listen to him

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Speaker 4: on Fox Sports Radio here. He is Doug Gottlieb, Doug,

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Speaker 4: what's up man? All good man, Hey, I was looking

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Speaker 6: It's like the guys that are good enough usually go pro.

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Speaker 6: You know, these COVID year guys. You're worried about guys

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Speaker 6: I'm still bitter because my junior year, when I led

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Speaker 6: So then you're like, if he hadn't done that to me,

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Speaker 4: I saw Gary Payton as below. That's pretty cool. You're

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Speaker 4: above Gary Payton.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but he did all kinds of others.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. I just see a list and Gary Payton.

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Speaker 6: That's true.

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Speaker 4: Who yeah, who cares? So a big fan. Been listening

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Speaker 4: to you forever. Obviously we've established kind of a personal

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Speaker 3: A couple of things I wanted to talk with you about.

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Speaker 4: First of all, as being an assist guy, did you

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Speaker 3: Like they're like, yes, it was just back off.

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Speaker 6: Because I got to this point to where like all

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Speaker 4: got older and specialized more? Meaning in high school? Could

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Speaker 6: I mean I was never step Curry, but I pattered

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Speaker 6: I scored. I was the ultimately scorer in my high school.

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Speaker 6: I had forty four in a game. I could shoot

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Speaker 6: I think, a control freak. And so part of what

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Speaker 6: can do best, and if I don't miss a shot,

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Speaker 6: I'll never come out of the game. I hated coming

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Speaker 6: If I don't shoot, I can't miss. So I just

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Speaker 4: Would they ever talk trash and be like you can't shoot, Hey,

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Speaker 6: Really every game, every game, and it's you know, you'd

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Speaker 6: That's exactly what I do. That's an assist. And he'd

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Speaker 4: It's all ball with Doug Gottlieb, and you can listen

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Speaker 6: it's not hard to find like I screwed up, but

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Speaker 6: it's stupid, stupid stuff. But I loved some of the

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Speaker 6: spirit of it. But I did feel like, obviously I

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Speaker 6: had never been to a private school. I wasn't Catholic,

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Speaker 6: but more than anything, there was a lot of affluence

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Speaker 6: there and I was just a kid from Orange, California,

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Speaker 6: and it was I'm not I'm not saying like I

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Speaker 6: walked uphill to school barefoot but naked in the snow.

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Speaker 6: You know it's uphill both ways. But I didn't come

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Speaker 6: from a ton and I just felt like, I remember

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Speaker 6: they had j Crew catalogs that got delivered to our

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Speaker 6: entire dorm, and dudes who get the Jaque catalog and

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Speaker 6: the others go through and they this is what I want,

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Speaker 6: and they would tell their mom whatever and they ordered

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Speaker 6: and it's like I didn't even know what JA crew

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Speaker 6: had my mom got me this horrendous LLBean parka green

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Speaker 6: llllbean parka, and that was like my warm my winter coat,

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Speaker 6: and I anytime was below fifty. You talked about Madison

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Speaker 6: and weather, but people don't know about being by the lake,

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Speaker 6: especially on the other side of Lake Michigan. Is it's

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Speaker 6: not just lake effect snow. You get lake effect overcast weather.

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Speaker 6: So I mean, I remember not seeing the sun for

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Speaker 6: the entire month of November, like literally the sun never

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Speaker 6: came out late October, November and in December and then

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Speaker 6: it got old and snowy and it really kind of

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Speaker 6: affected you mentally. So that's the that's the part of that,

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Speaker 6: that side of it.

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Speaker 3: That's why I didn't play football in the Big Ten. Oh,

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Speaker 3: that's it, because it was just too cold for me.

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Speaker 4: I just didn't feel like for me, that was you know,

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Speaker 4: the ingredients weren't there. So speaking of football, a couple

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Speaker 4: of things here, because I listened to you, and you

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Speaker 4: have no fear, which I admire in just giving your

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Speaker 4: opinion and if you're wrong, going hey, you know way

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Speaker 4: back then that's kind of wrong. But so I like

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Speaker 4: that because sometimes I struggle with saying I'm wrong. I

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Speaker 4: just forget ever said it. I'm like, no, never heard

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Speaker 4: of it. So let's talk for a second about c J.

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Speaker 3: Stroud. Now, what did you think of c J.

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Speaker 4: Stroud when he when he was drafted by the Texans,

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Speaker 4: and then what do you think of him now? And

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Speaker 4: what's the difference in your mind on what he can

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Speaker 4: do his ceiling?

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Speaker 6: Okay, so we all carry like biases right against guys,

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Speaker 6: and the problem is you went to Ohio State and

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Speaker 6: how many O High state quarterbacks have we seen that

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Speaker 6: they're throwing the guys who are wide open? You know? So,

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Speaker 6: like how much skill does it take when you have

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Speaker 6: It's like the old back when USC was rolling and

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Speaker 6: Carson Palmer was great, Matt Lioner wasn't a good college

486
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Speaker 6: wasn't a great pro quarterback. Why because like in the pros,

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Speaker 6: you've got to throw guys open.

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Speaker 2: You don't have.

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Speaker 6: Better players than everybody else. So I think part of

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Speaker 6: the CJ. Stroud thing was, like the quarterback the two

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Speaker 6: quarterbacks before him had both put up ridiculous numbers and

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Speaker 6: weren't good pros. And you're watching a guy he didn't

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Speaker 6: move around a ton, and he was just kind of okay,

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Speaker 6: again based upon the billing last year. Meanwhile, Bryce Young

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Speaker 6: I saw playing high school. I live close to modern day.

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Speaker 6: I have friends that are there. And he's always been

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Speaker 6: seen as this like quarterbacks savant read defenses, can move

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Speaker 6: around and throw. And he's tiny. He's he's by NFL standards,

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Speaker 6: he's an oompalloomboo. You know, he's not part of the

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Speaker 6: lollipop lollipop game. And I thought, okay, well, outside of

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Speaker 6: him being small, and there's been small guys Russell Wilson, Kyler, Murray,

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Speaker 6: Drew Brees, maybe he can do it because he has

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Speaker 6: all these other things, whereas C. J. Stroud is bigger, stronger,

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Speaker 6: But like, does he move that well? Is he really

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Speaker 6: that good? Is it just that Ohio State has way

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Speaker 6: better players than everybody else's. Ohio State has this like

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Speaker 6: it's like Alabama. They have all these great wide receivers

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Speaker 6: and they're just better than nine of the ten opponents

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Speaker 6: they play. So I carried that against him and I

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Speaker 6: was like, I don't get it. I don't see him

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Speaker 6: being star. What's his ceiling? I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 6: if he can be a superstar. But you can't do

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Speaker 6: anything in the NFL unless you have a dude back there,

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Speaker 6: a guy you can count on, a guy that can play,

515
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Speaker 6: can deliver the mail. He doesn't have to be Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 6: he doesn't have to be Pat Mahomes. But he can't

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Speaker 6: be one of these guys that stinks. He can't be

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Speaker 6: Zach Wilson. He can't be a guy that And then

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Speaker 6: the real magic to building a team in the NFL

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Speaker 6: is you got to do it during years two, three,

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Speaker 6: and four of their rookie contract because they don't make

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Speaker 6: much money, and then you can build a whole roster

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Speaker 6: around them. Houston has that. So that's where I I

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Speaker 6: do two things though, Bobby, I want to make sure

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Speaker 6: I point this out. I will say that I'm wrong,

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Speaker 6: but I also don't hate saying when I was right.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: Second, everybody was like, you know, I don't want to

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Speaker 6: be that guy. No, I like being that guy. I

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Speaker 6: really like being that guy that says yet No, I

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Speaker 6: like to say I told you so, what about that?

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Speaker 6: That's why it works for me.

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Speaker 4: The situation in Michigan right now, is this going to

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Speaker 4: get worse before it gets better or will we just

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Speaker 4: look back at this and laugh in three years.

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Speaker 6: I think we'll look back and laugh three years. It's stupid, stupid,

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Speaker 6: you know. I mean, look, was there Hubris? Is that

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Speaker 6: why they sent some ex marine out on the road

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Speaker 6: to go and yeah, and like he put everything under

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Speaker 6: his own name, like they weren't even trying to hide it.

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Speaker 6: But like this idea of advanced scouting. I mean, I

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Speaker 6: don't know if you know this story. Mike Leach, the

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Speaker 6: late Mike Leech, who of course was at Mississippi State,

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Speaker 6: Washington State, and Texas Tech. And there's a story you

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Speaker 6: can google it seat online. He was the offensive coordinator

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Speaker 6: at Oklahoma Bob Stoops's first year nineteen ninety nine two

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Speaker 6: thousand and they beat Texas and the famous story was

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Speaker 6: they left a scatter report mistakenly on the field at

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Speaker 6: the Cotton Bowl before the game, and then they knew

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Speaker 6: Texas thought things were coming and they did the opposite. Right,

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Speaker 6: this stuff's been happening. Like I played football growing up,

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Speaker 6: and I remember, like we used to line up with

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Speaker 6: our backs to the other team in case they were

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Speaker 6: spying on us. High school football teams think somebody spying them,

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Speaker 6: So everybody assumes somebody's looking and trying to find your signals.

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Speaker 6: You know, basketball teams they used copy or they go

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Speaker 6: to a tournament and they find your hand signals and

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Speaker 6: your calls. They wouldn't have three different signs and guys

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Speaker 6: you know, you know, doing the Larry Moe and Curly

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Speaker 6: if they didn't think somebody was saying I just I

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Speaker 6: think part of it is people don't really like harball.

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Speaker 6: Part of it is there is some a ton of

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Speaker 6: arrogance there with Michigan. And part of it is like

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Speaker 6: we've crept in this era now where everybody has a

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Speaker 6: cell phone, so there's no real secrets, right, and we

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Speaker 6: knew this was going on, and there's counterintelligence going on

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Speaker 6: as well. It looks bad they're holding hardball out and

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Speaker 6: I'm only interested in what happens against Ohio State if

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Speaker 6: that somehow changes the tenor of the game. I don't

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Speaker 6: think he makes play calls. I don't think he does

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Speaker 6: a ton game day outside of that one decision do

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Speaker 6: we go for it, do we not go for it?

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Speaker 6: Do we punt here? Do we go for it? You know,

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Speaker 6: like the last and final word you're missing and the

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Speaker 6: adjustments at halftime for a guy who you know, played

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Speaker 6: at every level and played well and then has coached

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Speaker 6: at every level and coached well. So I think those

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Speaker 6: things you are missing. But yeah, we're gonna look back

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Speaker 6: and go really, you know, it's like you know this,

580
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Speaker 6: the SEC was buying kids long before, and I like,

581
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Speaker 6: that's the best advantage you can have have better players

582
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Speaker 6: the other team, whereas the Big Ten, like this is cheating.

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Speaker 6: The SEC has to be laughing at the Big Ten.

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Speaker 4: quickly do you have to learn to do the hand

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Speaker 4: signal exactly right? Like day one day one. Are you

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, yeah, you don't want to. But no, day one,

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Speaker 7: they expect you to know it all, and you know,

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Speaker 7: from em to the hand signal to the Wabash canniball everything.

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Speaker 7: You gotta know what's the Wabash cannibal It's a song, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: a song.

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Speaker 4: No, that's the Macarena. I would just be nervous because

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Speaker 4: go on TV or something and say their name, I'm like,

649
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 4: I don't want to. Yeah, I have to because if

650
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 4: I'm wrong, everybody's going to know I'm a little bit wrong,

651
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 4: and there's pressure. I was looking a lot of pictures

652
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 4: of you holding the hand sign they is that is

653
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 4: that on a plane? Are they teaching your stuff on

654
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 4: the flight over when you get the job.

655
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 7: Absolutely, That's why I had Kenny Lenou on the flight.

656
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 7: You know, our media relations guy. You're showing me how

657
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 7: to do everything. And but no, I mean it is

658
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 7: such a world wind tour when you first get hired,

659
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 7: and I was in the middle of another season with

660
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 7: another team, and we were trying to win a national championship.

661
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 7: So you'd ask my wife. She still doesn't remember that

662
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 7: sixty days we had of kind of the courtship.

663
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 4: Whenever I get a treadmill or any sort of like

664
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 4: exercise machine, I work on it for I don't know,

665
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: a month or so, and then it just turns into

666
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 4: basically a clothes hanger or I just end up throwing close.

667
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 4: Now I noticed right by your disk. Yeah, there's a

668
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 4: piece of cardio equipment. How often do you actually use

669
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 4: it or is it more of just a discussion point? Now?

670
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 7: Did you not know what the equipment is?

671
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 6: No?

672
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 7: Don't It's an elliptical?

673
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, but I mean how often do you get

674
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: on it?

675
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: Though?

676
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 7: Actually twice a week?

677
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: You still use it?

678
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I still use it. No, I don't hang any

679
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 7: clothes on here. I truly use it twice a week.

680
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 7: You can see, we've got some big screens round here,

681
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 7: so my videos up there. So then I put the

682
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 7: video on, watch some of the games, watch some cutups,

683
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 7: watch a lot of the different plays that we're trying

684
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 7: to watch, and I can gotta get a little extra

685
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 7: hard during the season.

686
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 4: Oh that was like Richard Simmons or something. He's like,

687
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 4: he puts his video up there, Yeah, watches sweat into

688
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: the oldies.

689
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 7: I would love it if it were that, but no,

690
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 7: this is actually work. The hard thing is I have

691
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 7: my phone with me, and then I'm trying to type

692
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 7: in notes. I'm sweaty, and but I get it done.

693
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 4: If I'm thinking of throughout the week and I'm touring

694
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 4: now doing stand up. But if I think of a

695
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 4: joke concept, I write it on my phone immediately. Sometimes

696
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 4: I go back to it, and sometimes I can remember

697
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 4: what the idea was. Sometimes I can't. As a football coach,

698
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: do you do the same with concepts or plays or

699
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 4: schemes where it's like, I have not seen this yet,

700
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 4: let me jot it down, or maybe we should do it,

701
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 4: And then you go back to it and revisit it

702
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 4: in your phone and sometimes you don't even know what

703
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 4: you wrote down.

704
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 7: For me, it's more leadership thoughts, motivating thoughts. I'll get

705
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 7: up in the middle of the night because I never

706
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 7: sleep very well during the season, and my wife will look,

707
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 7: what are you doing, and she'll know that I'm typing

708
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 7: something that I just thought of at two am. To

709
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 7: say something we can do, maybe after a big win,

710
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 7: how do we responding back, maybe after a loss, maybe

711
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 7: after a bad practice, whatever it may be. I'm always

712
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 7: my mind never shuts off during the football season, but

713
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 7: there are times I'll go back in and I'll say, gosh,

714
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 7: when did I do that? And Lucky It'll say, like

715
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 7: three thirty five. I'm like, boy, I don't even remember

716
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 7: getting up.

717
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: Who are some of your leadership role models, either that

718
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 4: you've worked for with or that you just read about

719
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 4: that you never knew.

720
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 7: You know, I've been fortunate because I've got a guy

721
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 7: named Ben Newman that's one of the world renowned speakers

722
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 7: in the in the country sports performance coach, and he's

723
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 7: put me on like Ed my Lett, and he's put

724
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 7: me on John Gordon and some of those guys that

725
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 7: I just I love reading motivational books. I love reading

726
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 7: leadership books. But then you know, I'm going to read

727
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 7: a book on Kobe Bryant. You know, I'm just how

728
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 7: those guys, what they did to tick you know, Michael Jordan,

729
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 7: all the great ones of how they were motivated and

730
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 7: what kind of drove them.

731
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 4: I feel like for any success that either me or

732
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: my friends, peers have had. Look, we all have a

733
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 4: screw loose, but it's the right screw and it's just

734
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 4: the right amount of loose. And there's you only have

735
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: that little amount to still be somewhat saying. I'm only

736
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 4: somewhat saying because it's like I don't sleep well, I

737
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 4: can't stop thinking, I can't stop imagining. You know, my

738
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 4: wife and I always you know, time management, something's always happening.

739
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 4: Do you feel like you got to screw because you're

740
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 4: very successful? Do you feel like you have kind of

741
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 4: a screw loose, but it's the right.

742
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 7: Screwy eight you have to I don't know what screw

743
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 7: that is. It's loose. My wife would tell you for sure,

744
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 7: but you absolutely have to to do what we do,

745
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 7: to do what you do. I mean, it's NonStop. You know,

746
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 7: it's seven days a week right now. You know, you

747
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 7: get in the office by five forty five and you're

748
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 7: leaving it nine thirty quarter to ten, and your mind

749
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 7: still on. When you go home, you visit with your

750
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 7: wife a little bit, you go to bed, you wake up,

751
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 7: and it's just repeat, rent and repeat, rentso and repeat.

752
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 7: So you have to have a little bit of a

753
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 7: screw loose. But it's crazy because I never have felt like,

754
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 7: and I've been doing this for over thirty years, that

755
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 7: I've ever had a job. I assume you probably think

756
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 7: the same thing, that you don't really feel like you

757
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 7: have a job.

758
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 4: I don't until I see the revenue that I bring

759
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 4: in and then I realize I need to be paid more. So,

760
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 4: you know, that's kind of how I'm like, this is

761
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 4: so fun. Let me see the read. Oh, okay, this

762
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 4: is a job I forgot.

763
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree.

764
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 4: And my stepdad worked at the sawmill, right, and I

765
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 4: got to see him go to work and hate his

766
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 4: job every single day. And I had jobs that I

767
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 4: hated every day in doing what I do in the morning,

768
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 4: or touring or this. And it's also like when I

769
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 4: speak to people, I'm like, if you find something that

770
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 4: you love to do, it's not just that I having fun,

771
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 4: but you'll actually want to be better at it. And

772
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: when you want to be better at something, like you strive,

773
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 4: you achieve, and it's it's a cycle. You love it,

774
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 4: you get better at it, you have success, and it continues.

775
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 4: So I've found that for me to be successful. But

776
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 4: I agree, this isn't really yeah.

777
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 7: And for us in coaching, we utilize each other so much.

778
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 7: Even when you play against somebody, you know them and

779
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 7: you talk to them in the off season. Some guys

780
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 7: you're really close to in season that you talk to

781
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 7: and you spit ball ideas and you throw things around.

782
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 7: And everybody knows everybody in our profession probably the same

783
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 7: as yours. You know. I've got a bunch of staff

784
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 7: members that have been in the business for thirty plus

785
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 7: years and hey, we played this team this week. Oh yeah,

786
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 7: I know the running back coach, I know the linebacker coach.

787
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 7: I'll give them a call and see if we can

788
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 7: get some some tips or some hand signals or whatever.

789
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 7: Or what was the environment like when we went to

790
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 7: that stadium? And how loud was it? How loud do

791
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 7: you have to have the noise of practice to try

792
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 7: to replicate those things. It's just never enny and it's NonStop.

793
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 7: But that's what makes it so much fun.

794
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 4: What is your wife's favorite month?

795
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 7: Oh boy, I would say probably July, just because that's

796
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 7: when we get a little bit of a break. Her

797
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 7: birthdays in August and I haven't celebrated a bird. It takes.

798
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 7: We're in the middle of Fall Camp, our entire time together.

799
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 7: But she knew what she was getting into. She married

800
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 7: me when I was a graduate assistant making about eight

801
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 7: hundred dollars a month, so she knew exactly what she

802
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 7: was getting into. And I told her, like, your birthday

803
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 7: is in August. That's a bad, bad month. And so

804
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 7: now she just changed it. It's now in December officially. Yeah,

805
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 7: she just says, no, I'm out of town now. So

806
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 7: now she goes out of town every August and gets

807
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 7: away for her birthday. And I sit out of practice

808
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 7: and I'm like, well, she's in good hands. She's doing

809
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 7: our coach.

810
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 5: One of the games I hate is when you guys

811
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 5: played TCU because they're just all purple on the field,

812
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 5: and I'm like, oh gosh, who's Oh yes, Kansas Courre

813
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 5: No that was TCU.

814
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: Is it ever? Like?

815
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 6: How well?

816
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 5: The first question when you go into the game, who

817
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 5: decides like, all right, we're wearing the darks, we're wearing

818
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 5: these helmets, we're wearing that. Because you got to coordinate,

819
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 5: especially with a team like that's got purple purple.

820
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, home team gets the selection. But last year in

821
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 7: the Big twelve championship game, which was at at and

822
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 7: T Stadium. It was a sea of purple. That's all

823
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 7: people saw. And if it weren't for the fact that

824
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 7: I knew where our bench was and the fans we

825
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 7: had behind our bench, but you looked across their bench

826
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 7: and you saw the fans like, but this place is

827
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 7: packed with purple. It was. It was definitely a sea

828
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 7: of purple. But I would say it was probably fifty

829
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 7: to fifty there. Maybe we had a little bit more

830
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 7: even though it was in Fort Worth.

831
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 4: All I remember is texting Eddie because I'm colorblinded. Dark colors,

832
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 4: like everything over like a five on the darkness scale

833
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 4: looks the same. And I was like, dude, I don't know.

834
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: What's what now to give them the update, it was.

835
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 4: Like, I'm what, what's that's the border of the numbers?

836
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 4: I can't really tell the difference.

837
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's some We've played a game a number of

838
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 7: years ago and the team had black jerseys and Navy

839
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 7: numbers and we were trying who's in the game, what

840
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 7: number were like, we couldn't tell. They've now made a

841
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 7: rule against that. You can't have contrasting colors on the

842
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 7: numbers to the jersey because you could not tell what

843
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 7: numbers were in the game, and it's that's a nightmare

844
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 7: or for us as coaches to see how many running

845
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 7: backs in the game, how many wide receivers in the game,

846
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 7: you can't even.

847
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 4: Tell the number, and that strategy on their part, right, well,

848
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 4: sure it is. Yeah, that's a game. I feel like

849
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 4: pilloff numbers, We switch numbers during the game. I do

850
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 4: all kinds of crazy stuff. I was looking at since

851
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 4: you join as head coach at Kansas State. I was

852
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 4: looking a lot of the head coaching records just in

853
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 4: those few years. There's just so much progress that's been

854
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 4: here at Kansas State since the moment that you took over,

855
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 4: like actual tangible progress, and I think it's one of

856
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 4: the I won't say underappreciated, but you guys won the

857
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 4: freaking Big twelve last year, and I feel like people

858
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 4: didn't really hold you guys up as high as as

859
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 4: and I think TCU them not having a good showing

860
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 4: in the championship game just took some headlines because everybody's something,

861
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 4: But I feel like you guys did not get the

862
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 4: credit you deserved last year, or didn't get held on

863
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 4: the pedestal as high as you probably should.

864
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 7: Have probably accurate. I think there's a lot of respect

865
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 7: for Kansas State. It doesn't matter if it's football, basketball, baseball,

866
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 7: whatever it may be. But you know, that's probably the

867
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 7: chip on our shoulder too, that you've got to earn

868
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 7: that respect every day. And our guys would be the

869
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 7: first ones to tell you that they probably like the

870
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 7: underdog status and they liked that, you know, being the

871
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 7: hunted perspective, and so you know, we talk about it,

872
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 7: but in the same respect, come every Saturday, you got

873
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 7: to perform anyway. And we've had some really good things happen.

874
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 7: We've had some tough losses here too, but last year

875
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 7: probably validated a lot of the things that we wanted

876
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 7: to get done when we came here in twenty nineteen.

877
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 7: The pandemic year was a disaster for us, like it

878
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 7: was everywhere else and or a lot of people probably

879
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 7: had better success than we did. But I remember in

880
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 7: the pandemic here we would do our COVID testing on

881
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 7: Friday morning and then the trainers would come up and say, Okay,

882
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 7: these five people have COVID. Well, those are two starting guards.

883
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 7: Those are two starting linebackers. Oh and by the way,

884
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 7: they're close contact guys or you're starting defensive end and

885
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 7: you're like, all right, jump on the bus. So soe

886
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 7: who can play? Let's go? And that was that was miserable.

887
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 7: So everything that we've done helps tarnish or magnify what

888
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 7: that was so crappy in twenty twenty. But for us

889
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 7: to get that big twelve championship last year kind of

890
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 7: validated everything that we wanted to get done here when

891
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 7: we came here in twenty nineteen.

892
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 4: It's just such a big deal. It's Power five Conference.

893
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 4: You win the championship. Yeah, we still have to hear

894
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 4: about and you don't need to comment. It's stupid Texas.

895
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly who they are. So it's like, who cares

896
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: about you?

897
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 4: Don't comment on that, coach, that's just were still play

898
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 4: them this year. You said nothing about that. I just

899
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: I was doing our comments here. What do your players

900
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 4: know you for? Oh boy, well you get a chance

901
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 4: to be with Cooper b B today, so he'll probably

902
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 4: tell you a little bit hopefully that I'm a player's coach.

903
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 4: I value their opinion. We have a leadership council that

904
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 4: I want their opinion on things. I want their voice.

905
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 4: I think that's a big thing right now in college

906
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 4: athletics is you know, you don't want to be a dictator.

907
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: You need to have those guys have a voice and

908
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: take ownership in the program. And that's why I think

909
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 4: we were successful last year is you know, we gave

910
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 4: them a lot of things and then gave them the

911
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 4: keys and said, you guys got to hold each other

912
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 4: accountable to the standard that.

913
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 7: You guys expect. You know what we expect. But when

914
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 7: your peer can hold you accountable to that same standard

915
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 7: of what you do on the field, what you do

916
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 7: off the field, how you prepare yourself. And our guys

917
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 7: have that right now, and our locker room has really

918
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 7: good culture right now. And I a firm believer that

919
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 7: when you give the guys that ownership and let them

920
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 7: run the team and let them run that locker room,

921
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 7: it gets better and better.

922
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 5: Coach, I'm a huge Cowboys fan, So let's talk about Duce.

923
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 7: Vanno and that fun one to talk about now.

924
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 5: I mean, Deuce was awesome for you guys, and then

925
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 5: when he gets drafted the Cowboys super special.

926
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 7: Of course, the whole bad.

927
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 5: Connection, but he's sitting at the third running back spot.

928
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 7: He's super fast.

929
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not that big of a guy, but what

930
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 5: can you say about him as a person. And two,

931
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 5: would you ever call Jerry and be like, hey, you've

932
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 5: got to move him up what you need?

933
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 7: Well, we would have played him all the time, you know.

934
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 7: And it's funny because Deuce and his mother sat right

935
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 7: where you're sitting when he was a senior in high school,

936
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 7: big infectious smile, and I said, you're going to be

937
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 7: a dynamite running back for Kansas State and you're not

938
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 7: too small to play, and we're going to build our

939
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 7: program around you, and we're going to build our offense

940
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 7: around you. And he was he lit up, and he said,

941
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 7: I'm coming to k State and that's what we did.

942
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 7: And that's what he did for us. So there's a

943
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 7: role for him and I don't know if it's been

944
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 7: defined yet. I don't ever get a chance to watch

945
00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 7: NFL football Sundays, our busiest days. I'll get a highlight

946
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 7: somebody will send me like Julie Sprints had a who

947
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 7: played for US last year, had a strip and created

948
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 7: a turnover last week. I don't get a chance to

949
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 7: watch enough. But if you need me to call Jerry,

950
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 7: find you guys, get his number a lot easier than

951
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 7: I could. We'll give him a call and see if

952
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 7: we can get him on the field a little bit more.

953
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 4: You define yourself as a players coach. Have you always

954
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 4: been a players coach or is that something that you've

955
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 4: transitioned to more of as you've been you know, had

956
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 4: just had more head coaching experience.

957
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, it's it's what I've always tried to be.

958
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 7: I look at it as I was really fortunate to

959
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 7: get a head job at North Dakota State. We won

960
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 7: some games there. I was the d bat coach, I

961
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 7: was the defensive coordinator, and I always had a really

962
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 7: good relationship with the guys, and I always wanted to

963
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 7: be a part of the guy's lives, not just on

964
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 7: the field, but more importantly off the field, see how

965
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 7: they're doing, talk about their families. And then when I

966
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 7: got elevated to head coach, I just said, I'm not

967
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 7: going to change. And I remember one of our players

968
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 7: that had we had at North Kota State. I wore

969
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 7: a suit for a for the first game in the morning,

970
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 7: and it was my first game, and I'll never forget it,

971
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 7: and the kid came up to me and said, you

972
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 7: don't have to do this. Go put your sweats on,

973
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 7: or go put your your polo on, and we're going

974
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 7: to be just great. And I looked at him and

975
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 7: I was like, oh, thank god he said that, because

976
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 7: I felt so uncomfortable.

977
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: Uh.

978
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 7: And so I went back to just warning my polo

979
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 7: and my my khakis or sweats on that day or

980
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 7: the next game, and uh, I just I want to

981
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 7: be a part of those guys' lives. And the only

982
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 7: way you can be is by being around him as

983
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 7: much you can, by finding out as much you can,

984
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 7: by joking with them as much you can, by just

985
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 7: being one of the guys. And that's what assistants typically are,

986
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 7: and us head coaches oftentimes have to become CEOs and

987
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 7: all that other stuff, which you still have to do,

988
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 7: but you still have to break away and get in

989
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 7: in the locker room and the training room and weight

990
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 7: room and just you know, dig your heels in and

991
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 7: get to know them.

992
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 4: Let's talk schematically, especially defensively. In the NFL. You're seeing Miami.

993
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 4: You know, they don't have a lot of big guys.

994
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 4: They got a lot of fast guys. Talk about Dawn.

995
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: They got a lot of guys that get an open

996
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 4: space and then run if it's you know, Moster, if

997
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 4: it's Tyreek, if it's Waddle. But then now the defenses

998
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 4: are having to change too, and we saw the Patriots

999
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: have to play like four or five safeties at one

1000
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 4: time to try to keep speed up. What changes are

1001
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 4: you seeing in the Big twelve or just in college

1002
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 4: football in general? Are you seeing, I'll just speed winning

1003
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 4: more at times, like in the linebacker and defensive backs

1004
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 4: more than it ever has.

1005
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, without a doubt. You know, you don't run the

1006
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 7: old I formation quarterback under center very often at all.

1007
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 7: The other thing that's that is taking over college football

1008
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 7: that's going to take over the NFL pretty soon as

1009
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 7: no huddle, not giving a team a chance to substitute,

1010
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 7: so that we're going to put our fastest guys out there,

1011
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 7: and you better be able to match those guys. And

1012
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 7: sometimes in the past people just match those guys on

1013
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 7: third down. Now you've got to match him on first down.

1014
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 7: You got to match him on second down. And it's

1015
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 7: a skill level of trying to find safeties that are

1016
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 7: fast enough or linebackers that are fast enough. But you

1017
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 7: also have these tight ends that are six foot seven

1018
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 7: two hundred and seventy pounds that can run four or

1019
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 7: five that you can't put a corner on because they're

1020
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 7: just going to wall them out and box them out.

1021
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 7: And you know, I look at the Travis Kelce from

1022
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 7: the Chiefs, who can cover him? Well, you know, you

1023
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 7: can put a linebacker on him, but he's faster. You

1024
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 7: can put a safety or corner, but he's bigger. And

1025
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 7: that's what everybody's trying to recruit is the hybrid defensive

1026
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 7: players that are fast enough to be able to stuff

1027
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 7: the run, but athletic enough to be able to cover

1028
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 7: great tight ends and wide outs.

1029
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 4: Is it in a penduluming though, where you get so

1030
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 4: many hybrids on defense, they're having to stop all of

1031
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 4: these offensive playmakers that all of a sudden you're rotating coverage.

1032
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 4: You got some pass guys. Well, now all of a sudden,

1033
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 4: everybody's trying to stop the wide open pass game. So

1034
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 4: you got somebody who's like, let's just run it right

1035
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 4: back down their throats and then it slowed. Has it

1036
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 4: just a non stop pendleum?

1037
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 7: It is a NonStop pendulum. The one thing that will

1038
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 7: never change is you better have a quarterback. That's the

1039
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 7: thing that will never change whether or not that quarterback

1040
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 7: is a dual threat guy like a Lamar Jackson that

1041
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 7: can beat you with his arm, beat you with his legs,

1042
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 7: or a guy that you know, like Tom Brady was

1043
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 7: that's just gonna you know, precision, just carve you up.

1044
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 7: You still have to have that quarterback. And uh, that's

1045
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 7: the first thing that that we're looking for in recruiting

1046
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 7: is every class can we find that quarterback? As well

1047
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 7: as when we're when we're scouting teams and stuff, is

1048
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 7: how's the quarter Because you can, like you said, you

1049
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 7: can put everybody in charge of the past, but if

1050
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 7: that kid's just going to run the ball on you

1051
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 7: as a quarterback, you're in trouble. And so yeah, it's

1052
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 7: a it's a pendulum. That's that. It's offensively as well

1053
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 7: as defensively. It's ever changing.

1054
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 4: How hard would it be to install the wishbone in

1055
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 4: one week and just surprise the crap out of a team.

1056
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 7: It would be really, really hard. I believe it would be.

1057
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 4: But the student body laugh. I mean easier, but I

1058
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 4: thought over I think this whole thing school.

1059
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 7: You know what though, but that's not what anybody wants

1060
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 7: to see. Then then you know if if the Cowboys

1061
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 7: did that, if you said let's let's Cowboys do it,

1062
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 7: then the NFL is going to be mad because then

1063
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 7: they're not throwing the ball en off.

1064
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 4: A one game, like a big one game, like we're

1065
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 4: running wishbone, we're running triple option. Well that's the thing

1066
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 4: that helmet you go all in coach.

1067
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 7: Well, when we were at North Kota State, we had

1068
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 7: to play Georgia Southern and they were all triple option.

1069
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 7: And then my first year here, we're so excited we

1070
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 7: get to go to a bowl game and we get

1071
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 7: announced and we get to play Navy, and I'm like, oh,

1072
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 7: this is gonna be a lot of fun, you know,

1073
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 7: of having to defend triple option and your defensive line

1074
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 7: getting cut on every play, and like, hey, we're playing Navy,

1075
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 7: and the guy's like hey, great, yeah, so you gotta

1076
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 7: be unbelievably disciplined and to know you're going to get

1077
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 7: cut all the time. So it's yeah, it's really hard

1078
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 7: to defend in and probably equally as hard. You know,

1079
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 7: the one rule that changed in college athletics a couple

1080
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 7: of college football a couple of years ago as the

1081
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 7: cut block. You can't cut people down on the perimeter

1082
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 7: anymore like he used to five years ago, three years ago.

1083
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 7: And that's where some of those wishbone teams are probably

1084
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 7: having a harder time.

1085
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 4: Even though wide receivers used to cut people hard, which

1086
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 4: they can't do anymore. But they wouldn't even even wide

1087
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 4: out run just a tendon tear exactly. You hit it

1088
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 4: wrong barely one time.

1089
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, those coupleocks.

1090
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 4: That's kind of how Aaron Rodgers ended up tearing his

1091
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 4: achilles too.

1092
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1093
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's the thing that's so hard right now

1094
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 7: with you know, college athletics or college football has changed.

1095
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 7: We've gotten better on the targeting, right, I mean we've

1096
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 7: used to get targeting and then the kid would have

1097
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 7: the walk of shame because they'd throw him out and

1098
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 7: you'd have to walk them off, send a support staff member.

1099
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 7: Now they at least can stay on the sideline. But

1100
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 7: you know, we've taken some of that. But now we're

1101
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 7: having more lower body injuries because I can't go high

1102
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 7: on you across the middle, so I go low on you,

1103
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 7: and and you see some ugly injuries because of it.

1104
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 7: And you know, there's that happy medium of hitting between

1105
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 7: the knees and the chest, and there's not going to

1106
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 7: be any penalty. But you know everybody talks about that.

1107
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 7: That's a split second decision whether or not that guy's

1108
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 7: coming at me. And if it's a kid that's sixty

1109
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 7: five two hundred and fifty pounds, do you really want

1110
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 7: to go high on that guy?

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Speaker 4: ANSWER's no, case you're wondering, I know, I wouldn't think

1112
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Speaker 4: you will. Our final five questions, I'm going to start

1113
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 4: with this one. The rule of a wide open fast offense.

1114
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 4: You know how to stop them act hurt? Just grab

1115
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 4: your hamstring and get a cramp. We something's got to

1116
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 4: change as far as if you get hurt, you grab something,

1117
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 4: you cramp like that's a the rest of the series

1118
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 4: you're out, what would you suggest to the rules committee?

1119
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 7: It's gotten better already, it's gotten a ton better, but

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00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 7: probably just the rest of the series. You know, if

1121
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 7: a guy comes out, if it's it's usually when it's

1122
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 7: one hundred and four degrees and you're out there for

1123
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 7: that tenth play that you could potentially have it happened.

1124
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 7: But then the probably should just be the series. You

1125
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 7: don't know if it's one more player or more plays.

1126
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 4: I mean, you know when they're lying, you know when

1127
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 4: they're lying.

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00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 7: Oh, absolutely, yeah. I think everybody. Everybody does. It's bad

1129
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 7: when there's two guys down on the same play that they.

1130
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 4: Forget who told you, coach.

1131
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 5: I remember watching Friday Night Lights or something, and and

1132
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 5: there was the part where they're, oh, it's somebody gets

1133
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 5: hurt and he and the coaches like get in the room,

1134
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 5: shoot it up. You're coming back out. It's like almost

1135
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 5: like no choice. When someone does get hurt, do you say, like,

1136
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 5: are you hurt?

1137
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: Like?

1138
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 3: What do you tell me?

1139
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 5: You're injured? And this is when we work out that's

1140
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 5: what he tells me. Are you that kind of like

1141
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 5: are you hurt, you're injured? Or are you just like

1142
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 5: you decide in your own seat.

1143
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 7: No, it's a different world.

1144
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: Now.

1145
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 7: I just go to the trainers and they say, he's out.

1146
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 7: We're checking on him, we're getting something, we're retaping him,

1147
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 7: we're going in for an X ray. We'll come back,

1148
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 7: let you know. And now I just let them tell

1149
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 7: me is he going to be back or not? Yep,

1150
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 7: he'll be back, coaching, You got three more plays and

1151
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 7: him ready and or no, sorry, coach, he's out. Oh

1152
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 7: come on, he's not no, you just listen with the trainers,

1153
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 7: doe you and move on. So that's become wich. It

1154
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 7: should be. We should be out of the conversation on

1155
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 7: that whether or not the kid's healthy or not to play.

1156
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 4: Do you still take their helmet so they can't you

1157
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 4: in the game?

1158
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1159
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 4: You ever had anyone hurt grab their helmet and go

1160
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 4: back in the game and sneak on?

1161
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 7: No, I would no, I mean they, I mean they'd

1162
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 7: have to grab somebody else's.

1163
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 4: I go in different, different numbers.

1164
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 7: Different changing your number.

1165
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 4: I come out number seventy seven, Like, who is this,

1166
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 4: Robbie Jones, guy man good?

1167
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 7: I don't know. But if I saw you in seventy

1168
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 7: seven playing old line, I'd feel pretty good about our change.

1169
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 4: And you should coach, and you should what's the what's

1170
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 4: the ceiling here?

1171
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 7: Oh boy?

1172
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 6: Uh?

1173
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 7: Compete for championships?

1174
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 2: Uh?

1175
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 7: And we feel like if we continue to recruit the

1176
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 7: way we have been and continue to get the right

1177
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 7: guys and continue to have guys buy in and develop,

1178
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 7: compete for championships.

1179
00:52:59,760 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

1180
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 7: Nobody knows. I mean, the landscape of college football keeps

1181
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 7: changing with conference realignment and people joining and now beginning

1182
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 7: next year, there's going to be twelve teams in the playoff,

1183
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 7: and so if you get into that tournament, because I

1184
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 7: used to be a part of tournament play in the FCS,

1185
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 7: if you get in that tournament, anything can happen.

1186
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 4: That's so exciting to me. And the argument often was, well,

1187
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 4: you want to keep the value of each game in

1188
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 4: college football, but we also love the NFL and there's

1189
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 4: value to each game, but also the playoffs are freaking awesome.

1190
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, and there has to be more value to every game.

1191
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 7: But if a team slips up or slips up twice,

1192
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 7: they ought to still have an opportunity. And that's unfortunate

1193
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 7: right now because if a blue blood loses a game,

1194
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 7: they're wanting to jump off that team and that team's done.

1195
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 7: It takes a while for teams to peak, especially right

1196
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 7: now because of the transfer portal teams, players changing teams,

1197
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 7: people having new rosters every year essentially or new players

1198
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 7: that sometimes it takes you half a season and the

1199
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 7: best teams at the end of the season and what

1200
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 7: you're trying to get.

1201
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 5: Coach, very stressful job you have. How do you get

1202
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 5: your mind off football? You have a boat, you got

1203
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 5: jet skis, I go.

1204
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 7: Play golf, which we should have went and played golf.

1205
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 4: We should we should have. Yeah, now you tell us

1206
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 4: that because all you had to do is mentioned, maybe

1207
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 4: we come last, and since.

1208
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 7: It's an open week, we probably could have figured it

1209
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 7: out if it weren't an open week. So nosid I do?

1210
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 7: I try to go play golf, get my mind off it,

1211
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 7: and got a couple of great golf courses around here

1212
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 7: that we go out and play. If not, sit in

1213
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 7: the back, cook out, jump in the pool, just try

1214
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 7: to try to get away from it as best you can.

1215
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 5: Do you ever throw your clubs on the team playing

1216
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 5: and try to get there a day early and we's

1217
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 5: a round in.

1218
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 7: No, I don't think that would probably work. They'll probably wonder, oh,

1219
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 7: sure you're a player's coach. Now you're just going out?

1220
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: Can we go too?

1221
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 7: A lot of players they want to go with me.

1222
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 4: Last question, You talk about the importance of having a

1223
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 4: quarterback in every class at least attende to do that.

1224
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 4: So let's say that you sign a four or five

1225
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 4: star quarterback last year, and now you're trying to recruit me.

1226
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 4: I'm another four or five star guy, But I mean

1227
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 4: there's this guy one year ahead of me. How in

1228
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 4: the world do you get me to come here when

1229
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 4: you got a guy in front of me.

1230
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 7: A lot of those four and five stars think they're

1231
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 7: going to beat everybody out. So that's one positive thing

1232
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 7: is now I can beat that guy out. The second

1233
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 7: thing is they know they see how the evolution of

1234
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 7: football is. Somebody may leave. Also, you know, people get hurt.

1235
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 7: You know, every year that I've been here, other than

1236
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 7: our first, our quarterback has missed a little bit of time.

1237
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 7: So there's always that opportunity. And you know, if you're

1238
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 7: still selling the fact that we had in North Kota State,

1239
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 7: we had Brock Jensen, who was the all time winning

1240
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 7: his quarterback and FCS at one time, and we brought

1241
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 7: Carson Wentzon. Carson sat for a couple of years, and

1242
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 7: then Carson won a couple championships, and then we had

1243
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 7: Easton Stick come in and Easton Stick ended up being

1244
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 7: the all time winning his quarterback n FCS football and

1245
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 7: behind him was Trey Lance we brought in. So we

1246
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 7: brought in uh the next guy every time that they

1247
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 7: knew that their opportunity would come, and when they had

1248
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 7: that opportunity. With the type of offense we run and

1249
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 7: same thing here with the type of offense that that

1250
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 7: we run. When I get my shot and I make

1251
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 7: the most of it, it's going to give me that

1252
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 7: opportunity to play at the next level. Coach, thanks for

1253
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 7: the time, absolutely, Thanks for coming to Manhattan and Kansas.

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00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 4: This this feels like where I come from. I think

1255
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 4: that's why I root for Kansas State and and like

1256
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Speaker 4: my parallel universe of Kansas State to come from. I'm

1257
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 4: from Arkansas's all we had. It's all we had was

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00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 4: University of Arkansas. And like we hated Texas, I mentioned

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00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 4: that earlier. I still hae Texas. We heard that, and

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00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 4: it's like now I hate Kansas too. I'm be honest

1261
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 4: with your coach, and so it makes me love you

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Speaker 4: even more.

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Speaker 7: Okay, well we appreciate you guys. All right, there we go,

1264
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 7: and have you come.

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Speaker 2: Back for the game.

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Speaker 7: Man, you will get you a spot, all right.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, coach.

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Speaker 4: of the podcast is with ESPN's gambling expert Stanford Steve

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Speaker 4: Love this guy. I love watching him. Follow him on

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Speaker 4: Twitter at Stanford Steve eighty two. Hey big fan, thanks

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Speaker 4: for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Man, Hey, what's going on bro? How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm really good. I was super pumped when I saw

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Speaker 4: that I was going to talk to you, mostly because

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Speaker 4: it's been crazy to.

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Speaker 3: Me over the last few years.

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Speaker 4: How it was kind of seen like betting and talking

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Speaker 4: about betting or mentioning a line anywhere that more than

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Speaker 4: ten people could hear or see you as like, oh,

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Speaker 4: don't do that. And now it is just this massive

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Speaker 4: everybody wants to talk about it, and here you are,

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Speaker 4: and you've kind of you know, cornered or had the

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Speaker 4: market cornered for a little bit. Isn't it crazy to

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Speaker 4: see how much this has grown in two years?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the the money thrown around is kind of crazy,

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Speaker 8: but it's it's I I I yeah, from what you've done, Yes,

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Speaker 8: for sure.

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Speaker 2: Like I started in radio.

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Speaker 8: And it was kind of always looked down upon and

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Speaker 8: stuff like that, But when I look at what like

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Speaker 8: it was just always something that I looked at when

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Speaker 8: I was doing my analysis of say college football, you

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Speaker 8: know like that It's just that's what it was.

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Speaker 4: I was at a charity event and I was speaking,

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Speaker 4: and it was a deal where we're, you know, trying

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Speaker 4: to help this community to raise money for a bunch

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Speaker 4: of kids that needed a gym and food. And I

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Speaker 4: was sitting with a pastor and he was like, Hey,

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Speaker 4: what's the line? I swear to you, I'm not exaggerating,

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Speaker 4: And it was one of those full circle moments where

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Speaker 4: it's like, Okay, betting is now not just something that

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Speaker 4: I enjoy and little nuances that I like to see,

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Speaker 4: but it's like full pop culture where it's not just

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Speaker 4: like a sin. If you're betting, I guess because it's legal.

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Speaker 4: And so that's what makes being able to have this

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Speaker 4: conversation so cool that a pastor asked me a line

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Speaker 4: for a game.

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Speaker 8: And that's that's where I'm different in the Northeast. I

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Speaker 8: grew up going to Saratoga bus trips with the pastor

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Speaker 8: of the church.

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Speaker 4: So well in the South, in the rural South, yeah,

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Speaker 4: rur right just down there. Yeah, I'm curious about kind

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Speaker 4: of the genesis that Bad Beats where where that show

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Speaker 4: actually we're starting right now, like oh yeah we're oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're on, Oh we're on yeah, Oh yeah. I

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Speaker 3: don't have a good Yeah. I don't have a good voice, Steve.

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Speaker 3: I don't have it like a radio No.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know if there was like a three two one,

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Speaker 2: all right go or all right we're in it.

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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, we're in It's That's one of my weaknesses, Steve,

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Speaker 4: is that I don't only sound like somebody good.

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Speaker 3: On the radio. I just talk.

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Speaker 4: But same with you, like you have a very natural presentation.

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Speaker 4: And with bad yeah we're on, we're on, right, we're

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Speaker 4: what's working?

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Speaker 2: I guess? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: With bad bad beats? Where did that come from? Did

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Speaker 4: somebody have a really bad beat? And they're like, this

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Speaker 4: has got to be a reality show and then it

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Speaker 4: turns into this what happened there?

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Speaker 8: No, that's uh, that's that's a question that gets asked

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Speaker 8: a lot, and Scott deserves all the credit. We started

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Speaker 8: old radio show scp Mari Solo, you know mid Days

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Speaker 8: back in back in godwy Ten, I believe, and you know,

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Speaker 8: Scott and I got together because you know, I was

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Speaker 8: Ryan's producer for college game Day and on radio side,

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Speaker 8: so we would travel everywhere with game Day.

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Speaker 2: We'd come back Monday.

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Speaker 8: Ryan would do the show with Scott for their Monday

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Speaker 8: through Friday and we would go in pre show meeting

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Speaker 8: bs about the whole game, you know games, what happened

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Speaker 8: this week. And then when I took over, Scott wanted

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Speaker 8: to try Bad Beats on the radio and we did it.

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Speaker 8: We got emails, I mean, everybody was.

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Speaker 2: In on it.

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Speaker 8: It just didn't resonate because you need the video, you

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Speaker 8: need the footage, right, And that's what I like, I said,

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Speaker 8: I give Scott all the credit because when we came

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Speaker 8: over to TV, he's like, Hey, you're coming with me.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing my.

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Speaker 8: Own Sports Center show. We're doing Bad Beats. You're gonna

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Speaker 8: be at the desk. And I'm like, what are you

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Speaker 8: talking about. I've never done a second of TV in

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Speaker 8: my life before. And sure enough we go out. I'll

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Speaker 8: never forget the first night it's Labor Day. We follow

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Speaker 8: Ohio State Virginia Tech. It's that, you know, Labor Day

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Speaker 8: college foot game. Scott's first show, and our pre show

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Speaker 8: meeting's like, all right, what are we gonna do for this?

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Speaker 8: And we dig up. Oh man, it was Colorado State.

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Speaker 8: I think it's Savannah State. We didn't even have the

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Speaker 8: feet of the game. We webscraped it from Colorado State's website.

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Speaker 2: And that was our first bad beat.

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Speaker 8: But it's a team that was down by forty five

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Speaker 8: getting forty one, and they haven't scored all day, and

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Speaker 8: they get this drive where they fumble, recover penalty in

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Speaker 8: their favor and miraculously score against Colorado State's fifth stringers

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Speaker 8: and boom, there we go and it takes off and

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Speaker 8: it resonates because everybody's had one, right, everybody's had multiple.

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Speaker 8: I had Wisconsin the other night. I had an unbelievable

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Speaker 8: I was out in Vegas for the Elite A. I

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Speaker 8: had an unbelievable weekend. I'm leaving Tuesday night, I'm like,

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Speaker 8: all right, I'm going to test my waters and take

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Speaker 8: it over in a Wisconsin game. And sure enough, they

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Speaker 8: go score us the last nine and a half minutes.

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Speaker 8: And that's what I had my I think I went

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Speaker 8: thirteen and No, that would have made me thirteen and two.

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Speaker 8: I went twelve and three on the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 8: But everybody has it because they stick with you. They

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Speaker 8: when you're when you're gambling. As much as you know

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Speaker 8: people do, there's ones that just stick out, and when

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Speaker 8: you're in the moment, you know what, what can beat me?

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Speaker 2: Here?

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Speaker 8: What do I have to get to to get the

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Speaker 8: win here, whether it's a total or a right side.

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Speaker 8: So I just think everybody's experienced it in that gambling side.

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Speaker 8: But the other crazy thing is we get so many

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Speaker 8: notes now on social media. It's like, I don't gamble,

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Speaker 8: but I still can't get over that happen in bad beats.

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Speaker 2: Why do you do it?

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Speaker 8: I'm like, well, that's another conversation because you got to

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Speaker 8: be sick in the head to lay a couple of

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Speaker 8: shekels on a game. But sometimes that's what makes it fun.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, find when you talk about the Vegas Shop

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Speaker 4: because I was in Vegas two for the Sweet sixteen,

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Speaker 4: in the Elite eight, because I went to watch ARCon.

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Speaker 4: Really yeah, I went to watch Arkansas play. It wasn't

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Speaker 4: not it was not pretty, but I lost every game.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what. You must know a lot more

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Speaker 4: than I do, because I seem to lose every freaking

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Speaker 4: game that whole weekend because they all were coming out

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Speaker 4: of nowhere. I felt, so, what's what's the magic secret here?

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Speaker 8: Then what I try and do is when the bracket

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Speaker 8: comes out, I'll fill one out, okay right away, and

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Speaker 8: then I'll just have that as a basis. But what

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Speaker 8: I also try and do is go against what I

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Speaker 8: think the public's gonna be. So perfect example, I go

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Speaker 8: up to the Big East Tournament the week before, you

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Speaker 8: know that, that conference tournament week, and I watched Marquette

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Speaker 8: and I'm like, wow, you know, pretty impressive.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's on them.

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Speaker 8: They ended up winning the tournament, beat Yukon, beat you know,

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Speaker 8: roll Xavier in the in the title game, and I'm like,

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Speaker 8: that's a team on a goal against. Because I think

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Speaker 8: everybody sees the Big East Tournament, bright lights, big city,

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Speaker 8: great conference. But I just Thursday more, Thursday afternoon, I'm there,

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Speaker 8: Saint John's has the ball in the air twice at

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Speaker 8: the end of regulation, at the end of overtime, that

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Speaker 8: ball goes in, Marquette loses, and this whole narrative of

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Speaker 8: them r QUT's the hottest team in the country is gone.

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Speaker 8: So I saw that firsthand. I'm like, they are gettable.

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Speaker 8: This all this stuff is is a little bit of

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Speaker 8: nonsense to me, because it is the NCAA tournament. Look

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Speaker 8: at the final four. We have anybody who can beat anybody.

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Speaker 8: So what I've done is try and go against that

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Speaker 8: Duke was another one. I'm like, I watched the a

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Speaker 8: shcc oh, I'm a Duke fan. They're not that good.

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Speaker 8: I didn't like the matchup against Earl Roberts. I definitely

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Speaker 8: didn't like it if they got to Tennessee, so that

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Speaker 8: happens there now. Yukon was the one that I was

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Speaker 8: in on, but I had to see it first because

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Speaker 8: that's a coaching staff. I grew up there. I know

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Speaker 8: what it's all about. I know the pressure that was

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Speaker 8: on that coaching staff. They had won an NCAA tournament game,

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Speaker 8: coming in as a staff at Yukon, going in a

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Speaker 8: sennseate tournament and then look on the other side, it's

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Speaker 8: Rick Betino, the best tournament coach there is.

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Speaker 2: And that was the game for me.

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Speaker 8: Once they got by that, I rode Yukon the whole

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Speaker 8: way through because they have everything.

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Speaker 2: They'll have a great point guard, but they have everything

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Speaker 2: you want.

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Speaker 8: They come in at waves, They're superb physically, they got bigs.

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Speaker 2: They could defend their numbers.

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Speaker 8: You know, if people want to look at the analytics

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Speaker 8: efficiency wise, defensively, offensively, they're great there. So that's what

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Speaker 8: I just try and go ahead a lot of times

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Speaker 8: it doesn't work out and my thing is up in

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Speaker 8: flames and it is a bad march, and I'll scale

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Speaker 8: back a little bit. But when I started pressing, you know,

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Speaker 8: I wasn't that big on in the Sweet sixteen, I

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Speaker 8: thought Alabama was getable by San Diego State because I

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Speaker 8: looked at that road. That was the last team I

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Speaker 8: thought that could maybe match up with them physically. Houston

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Speaker 8: saw them in person a couple of weeks ago at

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Speaker 8: East Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Love them, but.

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Speaker 8: I thought a couple of years ago they had a

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Speaker 8: better team, maybe even last year's team if they had

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Speaker 8: Sasser was better. They didn't blow me away, and Miami

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Speaker 8: was as dangerous there was. And Miami and Yukon were

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Speaker 8: the team that I rode into the ground sweet sixteen

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Speaker 8: in the Elite eight.

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Speaker 2: So we had a good weekend.

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Speaker 4: A lot of my friends will be like, hey man,

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Speaker 4: you went all the time, and I'm like, bro, you

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Speaker 4: don't even know. I don't reach out and be like,

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Speaker 4: can you believe I lost this bet? And so there's

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Speaker 4: this miss there's it's almost like a mystery. Oh he

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Speaker 4: means the greatest bet giver ever. Do you feel like

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Speaker 4: people feel like you win all the time, even though

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Speaker 4: you have a bad beat show. Are they like Stanford

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Speaker 4: c you have all the answers.

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Speaker 8: No, I do daily Wager show on on ESPN, and uh,

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Speaker 8: there's plenty of time. Like when you're this is the

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Speaker 8: other thing I say. If you're telling me you bet

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Speaker 8: three like NFL Sundays, right, I don't. I'm not a

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Speaker 8: big NFL guy. I think it's the hardest thing to

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Speaker 8: the world to handicap.

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01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

1505
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 8: But if you're telling me you bet five NFL games

1506
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 8: every Sunday for the year and you tell me you win,

1507
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 8: I'll call you a liar. There's no way. I don't

1508
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 8: see how you could do that the volume. Uh, pick

1509
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 8: your spots maybe, But when you're telling me you're betting

1510
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 8: four or five games a day for an extended amount

1511
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 8: of time, you got your you're building your own casino,

1512
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 8: I would think, because that's that's the size of those buildings.

1513
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 2: That that though, that that's where that money is. Uh.

1514
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 8: And that's why those buildings are so win because they're

1515
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 8: taking their shot that you are not going to do that,

1516
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 8: and they get everybody else involved.

1517
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 2: So No, I do not win all the time. It's

1518
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: been a good run for sure.

1519
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 3: Do you feel pressure to be right though?

1520
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I mean there's there's Scott and I do

1521
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 8: all the time. He does Winners on Thursday Night. I

1522
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 8: do a podcast during college football season and on ESPN

1523
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 8: dot com where I give college football picks.

1524
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: And you know, they moved the timeline off.

1525
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 8: I think it was like Wednesdays, we got to have

1526
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 8: it in by and so there'll be sometimes like I'll

1527
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 8: come off of a game or I won't change it

1528
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 8: just because I put my name on it. But those names,

1529
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 8: those picks that have my name on it, I care

1530
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 8: about those in any dollar amount I have on a game.

1531
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 8: Those those are what people are coming at you about.

1532
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 2: Now.

1533
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 8: You can't read all your social media or else you

1534
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:49,719
Speaker 8: lose your mind because it's a cesspool and the grounds

1535
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 8: for negativity. But there is some good stuff out there,

1536
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 8: and I appreciate the positive people because we can find

1537
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 8: negative people anywhere. But yeah, there is pressure, for sure.

1538
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 8: I mean putting you on because we've done well. I've

1539
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 8: I've had a really really good run. But yeah, the

1540
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 8: pressure the games that I'm watching or when I'm in

1541
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 8: the moment that I have my name on it for

1542
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 8: a pick, then you know they put the screen stavor,

1543
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 8: so he says, this is his pick. Those are the

1544
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 8: ones that still get the blood float and the itches going.

1545
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 4: For sure, what's the longest parlay you've hit? How many games?

1546
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 8: Oh, I'm not really a parlay guy. Like that's the

1547
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 8: one thing you talked about with all this nuance in

1548
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 8: the last two years, like that that candy they throw

1549
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 8: out you what they call the SGP the single game parlays.

1550
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: You can have them. You can have them.

1551
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 8: It's hard to scroll away, Like now I forgot which

1552
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,440
Speaker 8: one I logged in I got back from Vegas.

1553
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, let me see what we got

1554
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 2: for Final four.

1555
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 8: I think it was even Major League Baseball dabbling in that,

1556
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 8: and I'm like, whoa, I don't need a five game

1557
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 8: single game parlay the opening day major.

1558
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 2: League Baseball to get the day going.

1559
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 8: But a man maybe like a three or four team er,

1560
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 8: nothing nothing crazy.

1561
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess if you don't do them all the time,

1562
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 4: like I'm an idiot in about once every month or so,

1563
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 4: you know, you do like a night Well, I also

1564
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 4: eat up like the chum they're throwing out where they're

1565
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 4: they'll retweet somebody to hit like for a dollar a

1566
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 4: fourteen gamer and made a thousand bucks, And I'm like,

1567
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 4: why not?

1568
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 3: What if I put five or ten on it? But

1569
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 3: uh yeah, the eddie. Do you do a lot of parlays?

1570
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 3: I do?

1571
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 5: And my I hear you talking about the NFL, and

1572
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 5: I'm the dude that picks every single NFL game from

1573
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 5: Thursday all the way to Monday and put a dollar

1574
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 5: on it, and I've never gotten close.

1575
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 2: Now he's well, here's what I'll say about parlay's.

1576
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 8: Okay, I grew up in an era or an area

1577
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 8: of you. You bet on credit, right, like you called

1578
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 8: your guy and you said, all right, I want this.

1579
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 2: So it was kind of dangerous.

1580
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 8: And I've seen you know, there's horror stories of people

1581
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,040
Speaker 8: looking for people that owe money. I will say, with

1582
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 8: these apps, and now with the youngsters, I see college

1583
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 8: kids firing on these parlas all the time. Their money's up,

1584
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 8: you know, like they there, their money is paid and

1585
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 8: the only way they're getting back is if they win.

1586
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 2: So I will say, as far.

1587
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 8: As like the gambling and the problems and what it causes,

1588
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 8: that's that half of that is gone because the money

1589
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 8: they put up is already on the account, and therefore

1590
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 8: they can't lose more than say calling your guy and

1591
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 8: losing and say all right, I'm gonna.

1592
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 2: Double up on the next game that doesn't come in,

1593
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna double up on.

1594
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 8: The next game, and then good luck. Fine to me

1595
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 8: if you can't fight, if I don't hit any uh.

1596
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 8: So that that's the one thing I will say is

1597
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 8: that the money is it's like going to the casino.

1598
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 8: Like you give your money, you get your chips, all right.

1599
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 8: The only way to get them back is your chips.

1600
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 8: You know, you put your chips back in to get

1601
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 8: your money. So that's the one thing I will say

1602
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 8: with these apps that I think uh is refraining a

1603
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 8: lot of the problems for gambling that we've heard about

1604
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 8: in the past.

1605
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd spent time talking with.

1606
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 4: Political folks, governors, you know, they had me lobbying a

1607
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,560
Speaker 4: bit where I would go, hey, look, it's not exactly

1608
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 4: the same as it used to be. And also here's

1609
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 4: why it's beneficial. You got to have a smartphone, you

1610
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 4: got to have an account, or you also got so

1611
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 4: there are all these layers that it don't make it perfect.

1612
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 4: It don't make it perfect, but it's not the same

1613
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 4: as what it used to be and I would literally

1614
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 4: sit with governors and say, don't just say no, because

1615
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 4: people have always said no. And we're starting to see

1616
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 4: a lot of states now legalize it. But how even

1617
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 4: on the ballot in California and did not get passed,

1618
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 4: which blew me away.

1619
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't believe it. I can't.

1620
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 8: Like I've I've talked I'm the same way, I've had

1621
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 8: people approach me. I've had you know, political people, and

1622
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 8: they've they've gotten into the point where they just bring

1623
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 8: Sayle's who was one of the first New Jersey, Like

1624
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 8: New Jersey came in the first of the month, they

1625
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 8: were posting like multiple millions that they were making off gambling.

1626
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 8: I'm like, what's wrong with free money? Who doesn't want

1627
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 8: free money? And these states talk about the debt that

1628
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 8: they all have. I'm like, here's the here's maybe a

1629
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 8: little gradual help towards that.

1630
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 2: It's free money.

1631
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 8: Get the apps going, it's a sign of a paper

1632
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 8: and you got money coming in like crazy.

1633
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,719
Speaker 2: And now you see all these states posting the earnings

1634
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 2: and the makings that they're winning off a gamble.

1635
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 4: You're gonna sell cigarettes, but you're not gonna let us

1636
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 4: put ten bucks on a game that we already have

1637
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 4: the money in the account.

1638
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,480
Speaker 3: Yes, it's ridiculous.

1639
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 4: Final question, So, as a high school ball player, one

1640
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 4: of the best, I mean, recruited so highly, but it

1641
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 4: was late nineties. You and I are around the same age.

1642
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 4: Whenever you hear what these kids are going through now

1643
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 4: as they're being recruited, like what was it like in

1644
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 4: ninety six versus what you hear about what it's like now.

1645
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 8: Well, the social media factor is totally different, you know,

1646
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 8: like I don't even know how they keep up with

1647
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 8: the rules whether I could contact you on social media.

1648
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 8: You know, back in ninety six, it was one call

1649
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 8: a week. Once I got to I think it was

1650
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,799
Speaker 8: August first. August first they could call you, and then

1651
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 8: that was that was really hard because everybody is selling

1652
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 8: you the best thing. Everybody is treating you like their

1653
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 8: best friend, and everybody's saying you're the best player in

1654
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 8: the country, and you in these months, you know, in

1655
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 8: the month of weekly phone calls, you build up these

1656
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 8: these relationships with the coaches, and then you got to

1657
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 8: tell them no. And it's really hard as a seventeen

1658
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 8: year old kid being in a thing for a first

1659
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 8: time where you're getting treated like a god and you've

1660
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 8: got to tell somebody no that that was really hard.

1661
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 8: And now with the social media, I feel like, you know,

1662
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 8: they could type in something's a lot easier than a

1663
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 8: face to face, right, or even a phone conversation. So

1664
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 8: I do think that is the problem I have is

1665
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 8: you know, these guys going on their visits now, they

1666
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 8: take a picture in every single uniform they go to

1667
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 8: and I'm like catching like, oh hey, this guy committed there.

1668
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 8: Oh no, he just took a visit and wanted to

1669
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,719
Speaker 8: see how he looked in the uniform. So they bring

1670
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 8: on a lot of stuff to themselves. But that's that's

1671
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 8: the day and age we're in here, right, everybody's selling

1672
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 8: their brand. The nil is real, so it's it's different.

1673
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 8: I'm not a big self promoting guy. I kind of

1674
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 8: like to just you know, lay low and do my

1675
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 8: own work and let the results play out. But these

1676
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:08,799
Speaker 8: guys get out in front of it. So I think

1677
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 8: the everyday essence of it is what's different to me,

1678
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 8: And that's what these kids are brought up in now.

1679
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 8: And now I say, you know, I've always said when

1680
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 8: I got out of college, I didn't have a plan.

1681
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 2: I didn't know what I wanted to do.

1682
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 8: I thought I could play football forever, and they you know,

1683
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 8: that's a harsh reality. So whatever I try and talk to,

1684
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 8: whether I go back to Stanford and talk or go

1685
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 8: to talk to college, like, you gotta have a plan, man,

1686
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 8: Like what's your major?

1687
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 2: You know, what are your credit situation? Have you done

1688
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 2: any internships? Uh?

1689
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 8: And the other thing is like sports media. I always say,

1690
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 8: get get on camera, get on tape. Uh, you know,

1691
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 8: be on air as much as possible, because that's the

1692
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 8: first thing they want. And if you're one of these

1693
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 8: guys like, hey, I got a degree, all right, what

1694
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 8: would you do? What kind of experience do you have?

1695
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,520
Speaker 8: And they say, oh I didn't, I didn't.

1696
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 2: Have any like that.

1697
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 8: You're You're all the way down the ladder with that

1698
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 8: with that response. So I just, you know, get an experience.

1699
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 8: But these kids, I mean, everything is at your fingertips

1700
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 8: and it's it's fascinating to play out.

1701
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 2: But I always say, just try and have a plan.

1702
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 4: I'm a big fans sports center commentator, second producer on

1703
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 4: the midnight Sports Center with SVP on Bad Beats, We're

1704
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 4: in the world is an SVP. I mean it's all

1705
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 4: over at Stanford, Steve eighty two to appreciate the time.

1706
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 4: One quick follow up, who was the hardest no? Who

1707
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 4: do you have to say no to? That was the

1708
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 4: hardest no?

1709
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 2: Well, it came down to Stanford in North Carolina.

1710
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 8: Mac Brown was the guy at North Carolina. So as

1711
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 8: good of a politician Mac is, and the selling he

1712
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 8: can do and just being the overall the aura of

1713
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 8: mac Brown telling him no was pretty hard. But I

1714
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 8: will say he I did catch him in a lie

1715
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 8: because a year later he went to Texas, so you

1716
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 8: got him.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well I think we're ready to start with the

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01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 3: interview now are you guys? Yeah, we're good. Catch up here.

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Speaker 2: Three two?

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Speaker 4: I Hey, Steve, thanks for the time, man, Really appreciate

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01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 4: you A big fan.

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Speaker 8: Hey, I appreciate you guys thinking of me, having me on.

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01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 8: Continued success with all the guys you do. It's unbelievable

1724
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 8: see what you guys have built. So that's a credit

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01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 8: to you guys. Man, Thank you for doing your thing.

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Speaker 3: Have a good day. Hey, thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: We got some great ones coming up next as well.

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Speaker 4: Twenty five whistles.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys.

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Speaker 4: So much happy holidays from all of us here at

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01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 4: the Bobby Bone Show.

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Speaker 3: See you next time.