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Speaker 1: how Gavin Newsome and Mark Kelly both successfully used fights

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Speaker 1: zeitgeist of democratic chatter, particularly twenty twenty eight presidential chatter, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, and how it wasn't it's not being done

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Speaker 1: with ideology, not being done with an issue. It's being

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Speaker 1: just shown as being willing to fight Trump. Right, So

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom has been willing to fight back at Trump

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Speaker 1: re redistricting debating Rondecantis last year, right, he is he

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Speaker 1: has not been an ideologue. I mean, if you know

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom and you're honest about where his place in

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Speaker 1: the California Democratic Party. You know, he's the business friendly

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Speaker 1: Democrat and always has been business friendly Democrat. When Jerry

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Speaker 1: Brown was governor, who was Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom hanging

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Speaker 1: out with then Lieutenant Governor Rick Perry excuse me, governor

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Speaker 1: Texas Governor Rick Perry talking up, you know, admitting that

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Speaker 1: sometimes California made it hard, a little bit harder to

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Speaker 1: do business than Texas. I don't know those of you

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Speaker 1: have a memory that goes back that far. I know,

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Speaker 1: anything pre COVID, all of our brains get a little mushy.

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Speaker 1: But this was sometime in like, you know, twenty eleven,

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve, when Gavin was sort of the lieutenant governor

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Speaker 1: with nothing to do, which most lieutenant governors have nothing

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Speaker 1: to do, and he wasn't always very close with Jerry Brown,

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Speaker 1: so he was kind of in no man's land and

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Speaker 1: he had it just sort of make his own way.

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Speaker 1: So you know, he's not a left winger. I know

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Speaker 1: the perception of California Democratic politics is is all liberal

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Speaker 1: and left wing. He really is sort of considered a

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Speaker 1: business friendly Democrat. I think on social issues, you could

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Speaker 1: certainly call him a big liberal, but it's one of those.

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Speaker 1: But it's been interesting to me how he's become essentially

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Speaker 1: their early front runner for twenty twenty eight. And it's

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Speaker 1: not due to anything. He's no big policy proposals that

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Speaker 1: he's rolled out. Nothing, no big policy the he wants

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Speaker 1: to run on in California. If anything, his job approval

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Speaker 1: ratings when California voters have been middling at best, kind

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Speaker 1: of underwater during twenty twenty four. But what really jump

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Speaker 1: started him was a fight with Trump, a fight with

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Speaker 1: Mega right. Take Mark Kelly and the and the and

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Speaker 1: the video. Well, Mark Kelly had a nice little run

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Speaker 1: here for the last couple of weeks. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: got to read you. I got to read you this.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's become such a darling if you will,

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Speaker 1: after this fight over following you know, over not following

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Speaker 1: illegal orders where Pete hakes Hath sort of threatened to

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Speaker 1: bring charges against him. Well, he's he's become something that

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Speaker 1: we hadn't seen before. You know, Kelly has this. His

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Speaker 1: bio has more charisma at times than Kelly comes across, right,

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Speaker 1: and he's not alone at John Glenno. This always hung

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Speaker 1: over John Glenn's head, like I've always wanted to write

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Speaker 1: a book of a collection of essays on I can't

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Speaker 1: believe they never became president. When you look at the

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Speaker 1: resumes of some people that ran for president but never

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Speaker 1: became president, Bill Bradley and John Glenn are two people

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Speaker 1: I've always in Bob Dole, right, those would be the

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Speaker 1: three you'd put the cover. You're like, given everything they

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Speaker 1: did and accomplished in the world of in Bill Bradley's case, sports,

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Speaker 1: you know, and academia versus the world of you know,

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Speaker 1: a hero an American hero, astronaut, and John Glenn an

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Speaker 1: American hero in the battlefield in Bob Dole. But Glenn

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Speaker 1: always had this and I think, if you know, if

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Speaker 1: you're going to orbit the Earth by yourself, you kind

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Speaker 1: of have to be pretty good at being a loner.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't always make you the most charismatic figure.

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Speaker 1: And Glenn's resume was always more charismatic than the person himself.

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Speaker 1: And that's been whispered about about Mark Kelly, and you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people know he's kind of interested, he

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Speaker 1: might be interested in running for president. He was on

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Speaker 1: the shortlist for Kamala Harris when she was interviewing VP candidates.

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Speaker 1: But there's always been whispers of you know, he's got

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Speaker 1: the astronaut personality, which means you know, when you're when

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Speaker 1: you're going up and staying in space for a while,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, you just you it is. It's just

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Speaker 1: it takes a different type of personality to to do that.

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Speaker 1: It's not always the most outgoing personality, if you will.

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Speaker 1: But boy, have Pete Hegsith, you know, threatened court martial

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Speaker 1: after you, and it, first of all, really fired up.

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Speaker 1: I saw a version of Mark Kelly I hadn't seen

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Speaker 1: before on television, and he's taken advantage of the moment.

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Speaker 1: He did doing fundraising emails. Let me read you this

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Speaker 1: one that he did for Katie Obbs, the governor of Arizona,

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Speaker 1: and it begins. You've been hearing a lot from me

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Speaker 1: lately about the threats and attacks made against me from

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and his administration, what they represent, and why

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Speaker 1: this is such uncharted territory for all of us. I

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Speaker 1: can't think thank you enough for all the support you've

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Speaker 1: shown me, my team, and my family. But today I'm

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Speaker 1: writing you to urge you to support Katie Hobbs's reelection campaign.

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Speaker 1: The point is is that you know, Mark Kelly's also

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Speaker 1: considered to be somewhat of a centrist. He taught he

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Speaker 1: himself rigs about being a former Republican. He's not, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's not going to be mistaken for AOC or Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 1: But he got some juice because he he picked a

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Speaker 1: fight with Donald Trump, right. It gave him some energy,

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Speaker 1: It gave him juice, allowed him to stand out in

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Speaker 1: a way he hadn't been able to stand out yet

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Speaker 1: among those that are pondering twenty eight. So that was

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Speaker 1: what I was hanging by. I was like, Okay, this

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Speaker 1: is interesting. There's two. But I wasn't ready to write

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Speaker 1: about it until I saw the announcement video for Jasmine Crockett. She,

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Speaker 1: of course, is the Dallas congresswoman I've interviewed here. I

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Speaker 1: really encourage anybody who didn't catch that interview I did

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Speaker 1: with her a few months ago to go back and

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Speaker 1: listen to that intervi view with Jasmine Crockett, because I

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Speaker 1: can tell you I went into it with one idea

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Speaker 1: of who she is, and I came out of it

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Speaker 1: with a totally different idea. I think people underestimate her

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Speaker 1: at your own peril. I think this is somebody who

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Speaker 1: might be too quick. So maybe she speaks too quick,

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Speaker 1: Maybe she speaks faster than she thinks sometimes. But the

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Speaker 1: point is she's always thinking and she's very savvy and

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Speaker 1: she doesn't make the same mistake twice, which is always

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Speaker 1: interesting with with smart politicians. But her announcement video was

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Speaker 1: even more It was sort of even more grounded in

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Speaker 1: fight if you will, with Trump, it's just her in silence.

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Speaker 1: You know that she doesn't say a word. All you

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Speaker 1: do is hear every Donald Trump insult against Crockett. So

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Speaker 1: it's just Donald Trump's voiceover insulting Jasmine Crockett in all

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Speaker 1: sorts of ways, her intellect, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: How about this new one.

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Speaker 1: They have their new star.

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Speaker 2: How about her?

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Speaker 3: She's the new star of the Democrat Party, Jessmine Crockett.

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Speaker 1: They're in big trouble.

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Speaker 2: But you have this woman Crockett.

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Speaker 1: She's a very low IQ person.

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Speaker 2: I watched her speak the other day.

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Speaker 1: She's definitely a low IQ person. Crocket. Oh man, oh man, She's.

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Speaker 2: A very low IQ person.

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Speaker 1: And it's just first it's a stone faced Crockett and

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Speaker 1: then at the end, She smiles. But it's so there's

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Speaker 1: my trend, right, which is are you going to run

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Speaker 1: on something, are you going to run on an ideology,

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Speaker 1: or are you going to run as a fighter? And

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Speaker 1: right now, the fastest way to get traction in democratic

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Speaker 1: politics is to be a fighter. It's more than being

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Speaker 1: left or right. It really is fight versus unite. Right,

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Speaker 1: there's I've said, there's sort of there are multiple divides

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Speaker 1: inside each party. The two biggest in the Democratic side

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Speaker 1: are the progressives and the sort of centrist. That's a

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Speaker 1: big one and not insignificant, and certainly one that is

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Speaker 1: that could hold Democrats back from having a massive successful

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Speaker 1: election Night twenty twenty six, depending on how these primaries

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Speaker 1: pay out. But the problem is the primary voter wants

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Speaker 1: a fighter. Now, they'll take a centrist if you're a fighter.

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Speaker 1: And that's the point I'm making here. I think it's

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Speaker 1: fascinating to watch, particularly with Newsom and Kelly, because having

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Speaker 1: the fighter sort of picking a fight with Trump avoids

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Speaker 1: the progressive litmus tests, and in some ways you can

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Speaker 1: connect with progressives on emotion rather than on substance, and

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Speaker 1: you can and that look Bill Clinton, I would argue,

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Speaker 1: was able to win over the base of the party

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Speaker 1: when he showed himself to be a fighter. He never

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Speaker 1: changed his ideology. He never sort of veered left on ideology,

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Speaker 1: you know, he was always sort of very much in

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Speaker 1: the center left. But he showed he was willing to

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Speaker 1: punch back and so and certainly when he took a

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Speaker 1: hit with impeachment, that's when the base really finally fell

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Speaker 1: in love with him, because again, he showed himself to

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Speaker 1: be a fighter. So I think there's I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that this might not you know, that this might be

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Speaker 1: a necessity if you want to run for office in

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Speaker 1: twenty six or twenty eight, but I will lament that.

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Speaker 1: You know, if I could argue that Democrats are going

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Speaker 1: down the same road that Republicans have been on for

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Speaker 1: the last decade, which is Republicans don't run on anything.

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Speaker 1: They don't run on any big ideas. What they really

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Speaker 1: run on is owning the lips, right, Like that's the

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Speaker 1: cohesive messaging, which is back right, it's been I've heard

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Speaker 1: it from conservatives. So you got to fight back, and

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Speaker 1: you know there's not enough fight. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: in fact, it gets me to one more item. I

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Speaker 1: want to get to get to you guys here in

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Speaker 1: a minute. That kind of fits this sometimes where the

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Speaker 1: where the left and the right aren't very self aware

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Speaker 1: of their own of their own behavior sometimes. But Republicans

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Speaker 1: have been running on this sort of just looking for fighters,

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Speaker 1: and in some ways you can overcome certain, you know,

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Speaker 1: old stances, whether it's neocon stuff or it's formally democratic

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Speaker 1: ideas or quote unquote woke things if you bring the

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Speaker 1: fight to owning the Libs right, and now you really

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Speaker 1: have a democratic party that may be more animated by

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Speaker 1: looking for those that are willing to quote unquote own

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Speaker 1: the magas right, you know, own the right. The downside

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Speaker 1: to this is you don't stand for anything, and I

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Speaker 1: think there's a little more risk there for Republicans, for

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Speaker 1: Democrats on that than Republicans. I think there's a chunk

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Speaker 1: of voters that do expect Democrats to stand for something,

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Speaker 1: do expect a lot of issue papers and white papers,

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Speaker 1: and there could be some disappointment in that when that's missing,

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Speaker 1: And I could argue that, you know, I wish you know.

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Speaker 1: Another part of my sub stack is, you know, we've

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Speaker 1: got a lot of important issues we should be debating.

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Speaker 1: But even on the even if we debate the right issue,

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Speaker 1: we debate it the wrong way. Let me give you

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Speaker 1: an example. Take take immigration. Right we fight it is

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Speaker 1: kind of an eighty twenty issue, as if it is

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Speaker 1: xenophobia versus open borders, when really what we should debating

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Speaker 1: is what does a functional citizenship pathway look like? What

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Speaker 1: do modernized worker visas look like? How do you increase

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Speaker 1: strong border security in addition to having more legal immigration.

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Speaker 1: These are fifty one to forty nine issues, meaning you know,

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Speaker 1: the country's pretty divided on these solutions. They're not divided

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Speaker 1: on the big ticket ideas, but they we really should

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Speaker 1: have a debate on. Okay, how would we do this,

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Speaker 1: and we're not going to have that debate. Public education

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Speaker 1: is another one we just us. You know, school choices

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Speaker 1: just shorthand for conflict. It isn't for the debate. If

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Speaker 1: if you look at it as a fifty one forty

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Speaker 1: nine problem, then we would be having a debate about

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Speaker 1: teacher retention, funding formulas, How would we teach ai in classrooms?

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Speaker 1: What is the purpose of high school in the twenty

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Speaker 1: first century versus what it was in the twentieth century

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Speaker 1: each side creates an eighty twenty straw man that doesn't

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Speaker 1: really exist in the real electorate. The real electorate is divided,

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Speaker 1: you know, is actually more in general agreement, but divided

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Speaker 1: on the implementation of of of those solutions. There's general

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Speaker 1: There's general agreement that there should be reasonable pathways to citizenship,

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Speaker 1: but some of the details we genuinely disagree on. But

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Speaker 1: me is the risk here. But make no mistake, we

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Speaker 1: try to be the issue candidates? I do. That's going

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Speaker 1: to happen in twenty twenty. Someone always tries to play

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Speaker 1: that role. Bruce Babbott was that guy in ninety two.

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren was that person in twenty twenty. You know,

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Speaker 1: do as well as they might in political science classes

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Speaker 1: on that front. But I think you're going to see,

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Speaker 1: because she's positioning herself as I'm the one that's taken

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Speaker 1: the fight to him and James Tallerico is more of

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Speaker 1: to have a divide a fight versus unite and what's

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Speaker 1: the attitude of the Democratic Party in going to be

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Speaker 1: in the spring of twenty six. It's possible by the

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Speaker 1: because maybe they've won both Houses of Congress in the

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Speaker 1: twenty six midterms. But until they have some power, I

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Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear that the fighting that the litmus

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Speaker 1: now appears to be Are you willing to have a

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Speaker 1: fight with the Trump administration? Have you picked a fight

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Speaker 1: with the Trump administration? Or will the Trump administration pick

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Speaker 1: a fight with you that will be seen as an

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Speaker 1: asset not a liability. One more nugget. I'm sure some

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Speaker 1: can't tell you how often each there are members of

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Speaker 1: Here's what she writes, Here's a hard truth Republicans don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear. Nancy Pelosi was a more effective House

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Speaker 1: Speaker than any Republican this century. I agree with her

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Speaker 1: on essentially nothing, but she understood something we don't. No

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Speaker 1: majority is permanent. When Democrats hold the majority, they ran

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Speaker 1: through the most progressive policies they can. They delivered for

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Speaker 1: Let me stop her right there, so, I promise you

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Speaker 1: if you survey House Democrats who have been in Congress

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Speaker 1: they will tell you that Republicans are better at using power.

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Speaker 1: And here's Nancy May saying, no, Republicans suck at using power.

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Speaker 1: It's the Democrats that know to use power. It's astonishing

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Speaker 1: that we are seeing this. The bottom line is is

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Speaker 1: took a haircut, right, Joe Mansion made Joe Biden take

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Speaker 1: a haircut. Right. They didn't get to jam everything through.

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama stood down on trying to do cap and

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Speaker 1: And I think part of that is this version of

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Speaker 1: most progressive policies they can. Literally half the Democratic Caucus

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Speaker 1: we live in, right where it's a lot easier to

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Speaker 1: Let's sneak in a break, and when we come back,

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Speaker 1: I want you to get to get a chance to

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Speaker 1: get to know the folks at Notice. It's called News

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Speaker 1: Notice there's a reason results matter more than promises, just

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Speaker 1: organization that I thinks take taken Washington by storm. It's

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: those fun little acronyms that we Washingtonians love to use

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Speaker 1: and abuse. But Notice has become it is the original.

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Speaker 1: One of the original founders of Politico, Robert Albritton is

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Speaker 1: basically is the godfather of Notice. It is a nonprofit

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Speaker 1: that's in some ways they are becoming the Washington Bureau

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Speaker 1: Washington bureau that exists today. And I'll just put it

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Speaker 1: I put Notice in that category. They have been scoop

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Speaker 1: In joining me now or two of the one is

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Speaker 1: the managing editor, Kate Nesara and one of their great reporters,

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Speaker 1: Rees Gorman, who just started a podcast for Notice. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to both of you. Thank you, appreciate appreciate you coming on, Kate.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into sort of the world that we're

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Speaker 1: taping Tuesday afternoon here on December second, So if you

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Speaker 1: it might be a few things out of date, but

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Speaker 1: why don't you add to what I didn't include in

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Speaker 4: Sure, as you said, Notice is a non partisan newsroom

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Speaker 4: bring them through you know, a two year fellowship over

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Speaker 3: That's our nonprofit side work with them.

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Speaker 4: It's super inspiring, wonderful to work in a place where

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Speaker 3: Making Washington. We are entering our third third year.

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Speaker 1: This is your third year. My apologies, it feels still

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, I still feel I still feel.

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Speaker 4: But I think that's like the exciting part of being

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Speaker 1: You use you went out of your way to use

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Speaker 1: the word non partisan. How how do you you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't think it means like not pulling your punches

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Speaker 3: Just be you know, one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to say about the phrase fair and balance.

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Speaker 1: Balance is the code word there. It's called fairness. If

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Speaker 1: what it is. One other one other thing you've mentioned

856
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Speaker 1: is your audience. Who do you believe is your who?

857
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Speaker 1: Who do you imagine is your audience? Right? Like we

858
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: all you know, there's the audience that you have, the

859
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Speaker 1: audience that you want, So tell me the audience that

860
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Speaker 1: you want. And who you think your your sort of

861
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Speaker 1: median reader is.

862
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I.

863
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Speaker 4: Think our median reader is a pretty knowledgeable Washington you know,

864
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Speaker 4: someone who who is a policy maker. We definitely want

865
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Speaker 4: to talk to the people who are looking at laws

866
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 4: making laws. But then that ring sort of expands outwards.

867
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Speaker 4: We also something we have at Notices called the Washington

868
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Speaker 4: Bureau Initiative where the fellows from the A. J. I. Side,

869
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Speaker 4: who who are reporters notice cover state delegations. I think probably,

870
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Speaker 4: as you know, a lot of state delegation coverage has

871
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 4: really gone by the wayside, and so it's yeah, yeah,

872
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 4: it's gone right, Like probably like the New York Post

873
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 4: has as a reporter in DC, but they're they're covering

874
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Speaker 4: the delegations, so having eyes and ears on lawmakers see uh.

875
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 4: And we partner with local outlets in a number of

876
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Speaker 4: different states and and are able to provide them coverage.

877
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 4: So there's that circle, and then the circle of you know,

878
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 4: sort of expands outwards from there, right.

879
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I think about you know, when you

880
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: were talking about its early entry journalists. You know where

881
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,959
Speaker 1: I got my start was at the Hotline, and that's

882
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: basically was our pitch. You know, we were there, we

883
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: want to be your first job, your first real job

884
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: out of journalism, your first real job as you get

885
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: ready to understand Washington. And there were other entities out

886
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: there that were sort of similar put it this way,

887
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: similar financial lifestyles, meaning you didn't make very much money.

888
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: It was there was something called State's News Service. You'd

889
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: have things called like Medill's News Service, which was you know,

890
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: in a few other journalism schools that tried to do

891
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: the same thing you're doing with your institute, which is,

892
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: can you kind of be a Washington bureau for news

893
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: organizations that don't have one, Like I remember a friend

894
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: of mine at the Hotline got to be the Washington

895
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: bureau for the Dover Delaware, the Delaware State News, which

896
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: meant he got to sit down and interview their senior

897
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: senator at the time, a guy named Joe Biden. And

898
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: it was like, because there was no other person to

899
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 1: talk to if you wanted to talk to the state's

900
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: largest newspaper, Are you guys alone in this space now?

901
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: Or State's News still around you see this? Are you

902
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: guys suddenly the only only shop in town that is

903
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: sort of turning into this incubator for young journalists political journalists.

904
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't go as far to says that we're the

905
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 4: only shop in town. I think we're probably the best

906
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 4: shop in town personally, but you know, certainly, I think

907
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: one of the more intensive programs for the fellows that

908
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 4: come in through here and they have, you know, a

909
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 4: very long, intensive boot camp when they first arrive, but

910
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 4: then every day is really a boot camp working in

911
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 4: a newsroom. I know when I started on Capitol Hill,

912
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 4: I was just kind of like dropped into it and

913
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 4: it was like figure it out. And there is a

914
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 4: method to that madness, right like sink or swim?

915
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 3: Can you do it?

916
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 4: I do think like journalists, you know, learn how to

917
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 4: figure it out, But like I didn't know where the

918
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 4: food was on the.

919
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 3: Hill for a really long time. I was just walking

920
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: around hungry all day.

921
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: Bathrooms, right Like I always say this, like that's how

922
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: you you know, you know, over time you figure out, Yeah,

923
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: you know what, the second floor in Rayburn has a

924
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: bathroom that's you know, actually kind of clean, and you know,

925
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: don't you know if you get over here. But that

926
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: takes time. I mean, I know that's silly, but it's

927
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: not silly, you know, it's the way you do your job.

928
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 4: Ment Like mentorship, real mentorship between reporters like Reese or Riley,

929
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 4: Rodgerson or the you know, the people that really do

930
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 4: this day in and day out, where where the younger

931
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 4: fellows can come and learn from them directly and learn

932
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Speaker 4: from the editors directly. Like that is not built into

933
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 4: most newsrooms that I have ever seen. We like to

934
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 4: call it like a teaching hospital model, where we are

935
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 4: you know, we're we're here, we're doing really important work,

936
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 4: and the residents come in and learn from us, but

937
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Speaker 4: they are also really doing the work. I mean, some

938
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Speaker 4: of our biggest stories have been broken by aji fellows

939
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 4: who are also reporters, and so you know, I'm just like,

940
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 4: incredibly proud every day of the work that I'm doing.

941
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Speaker 4: And to be doing this work in twenty twenty five

942
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Speaker 4: and feeling both like very proud and inspired, I think

943
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Speaker 4: is probably probably rare.

944
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

945
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 4: I can speak for myself and just say that I'm

946
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 4: very happy to be doing what I'm doing.

947
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Speaker 1: Rees I mean, describe your experience at notice, how'd you

948
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: get there? And I like to echo what Kate said,

949
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's sort of my feeling in what I'm

950
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Speaker 1: doing in the world of independent journalism. It must be

951
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: nice to be at a place that wants to grow

952
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: rather than shrain.

953
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 5: Definitely, And that's kind of how I got I mean,

954
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 5: I was in Oklahoma doing local news and then start

955
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 5: got a job with the Washington Examiner covering Congress and

956
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 5: was really had just kind of thrown to the deep

957
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 5: end and just started doing it. Went to the Daily Beast,

958
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 5: was there for only about three or four months, and

959
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 5: too point, the Daily Beasts did.

960
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 2: Not want to grow.

961
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Speaker 5: We got sold about three months into me being there,

962
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 5: and they basically just were like, you guys are not

963
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 5: going to be here much longer. And I don't think

964
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 5: they have a DC Bureau anymore. And so in that

965
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 5: I was like looking for obviously a job. I mean,

966
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 5: the variety was on the wall that we're I was

967
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 5: gonna be laid off, like they're getting rid of everyone.

968
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: And Notice came along.

969
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 5: And I got a I think Tim, I know for

970
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Speaker 5: a fact. So I get a call from Tim Alberta,

971
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 5: who's one of our uh one of a mentor here

972
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 5: at Notice for the for the Fellows, and he was like,

973
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 5: I want you you should come work at Notice. And

974
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't even know really what Notice

975
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 5: is at this point, Like I I think my boss,

976
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 5: my boss, the Daily Beast had gone, but like I

977
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 5: it was still less than a year old at this point.

978
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 5: And he was like, just come get a drink with

979
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 5: me and Tim Greve, the editor, and I'll convince you

980
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 5: to come. So I think that night got a drink

981
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 5: and I was by the end of the night, I

982
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, sounds like I'm going to Notice. So

983
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 5: that's kind of why I wanted to go and then

984
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 5: start a feeling to your point, is very fun. It's

985
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 5: nice to be able to be a place that grows,

986
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 5: having the freedom to chase down stories that I like

987
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 5: chasing down. I get time if I tell Kate about

988
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 5: oh I have this crazy tip or whatever, there's the

989
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 5: freedom to me to go chase it down, to report

990
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 5: it out without the pressure of this has to be

991
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 5: a story. It's okay if there's something I chase down

992
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 5: turns out to be a dead end, which happens a lot.

993
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 5: That happens a lot of journalism. That's it's not always

994
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 5: so I do appreciate the ability to just go chase

995
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 5: down tips that I get without the pressure of being like, Okay,

996
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 5: this doesn't pan out, then I'm going to be in trouble,

997
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 5: and that's happened a lot. But also a lot of

998
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 5: the tips I've been given the ability to chase out

999
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 5: and have worked out to be good stories and have

1000
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 5: turned out to be very promising ones as well. And

1001
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 5: they're not afraid to take a big swing at people,

1002
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 5: and that's something I love.

1003
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: I love.

1004
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 5: I mean, a lot of the stories I've written have

1005
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 5: made people mad, and I love having the people that

1006
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 5: are stay behind you, like, oh, we'll support.

1007
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: You even if these people are mad. We're not going

1008
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: to cower back down. That's a lot of fun.

1009
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: Well, that's always nice. Areas I always say, if you

1010
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: to be a good journalist, You've you've got to be

1011
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: comfortable not being popular. Unfortunately, in today's algorithmic uh world,

1012
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: that doesn't always Trent. You know that, doesn't you know that?

1013
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: That doesn't always? That isn't as easy as it sounds, right,

1014
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: it should be easy for a journalists to say hey,

1015
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: without fear or favor. I don't care what you think.

1016
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 1: What we're all human beings and the way these algorithms work. Kate,

1017
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm curious how often you know do you do you

1018
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: feel like you've got to play two algorithms? Do you

1019
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: think about that when you guys are posting stories? How much?

1020
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the whole search optimization frankly nonsense.

1021
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: I get that it's a necessity if you're looking for traffic,

1022
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: but I hate the way it can distort a headline.

1023
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: How do you strike that back? You guys strike me

1024
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: as an organization that doesn't want to get caught up

1025
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: in just chasing clicks. So what's your How do you

1026
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: strike the balance? As an editor?

1027
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 4: I think it is always nice to have people read

1028
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 4: your stories, but to me, not at the expense of accuracy, fairness.

1029
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 4: I it is just not something that I am obsessing

1030
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 4: over in the same way. It is very helpful obviously

1031
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 4: that we you know, we how we started our connection

1032
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 4: with with Ajai. Those things sort of built in meant

1033
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 4: that we were not going to be an organization that

1034
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 4: was out there like gunning for traffic all the time. Obviously,

1035
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 4: I love it when people read our stories or stories

1036
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 4: blow up, when like a big story breaks and there

1037
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 4: are a lot of eyeballs on it and people are

1038
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 4: talking about it, yes, like I yes, but I want

1039
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 4: people to read my stories that like, that's what that's about.

1040
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 3: That's not about.

1041
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 4: It's not about a traffic chase necessarily, And we are

1042
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 4: in a really unveil pole position where you know, we

1043
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 4: we do have traffic goals again, wanting people to read

1044
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 4: our stories, but it's not like the top measurement of

1045
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 4: what we feel makes a great story or why a

1046
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 4: story would be important to publish, if that makes sense.

1047
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: And recent how you know it used to be. You know,

1048
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: when I first got in, I remember moving from the

1049
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: hotline to NBC, and I had a standard explanation for

1050
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: what the hotline was. And then the first time I

1051
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: called on Behalf saying I was working at NBC, I

1052
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: didn't have to have an explanation of what NBC was right,

1053
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: And I remember it was an empowering feeling that first

1054
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: time you're like, Okay, finally I don't feel like I

1055
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: have to convince somebody that I am a legitimate reporter

1056
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: with a legitimate news organization. Here's what it is. And

1057
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: a lot of time with the Hotline, it was us

1058
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: trying to introduce what it was to somebody who hadn't

1059
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: run in politics before. What is this? What are you? Well,

1060
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: we're kind of a trade and this is what we do,

1061
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: and et cetera. I imagine over the last year you're

1062
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: having to explain what notices less and less, and given

1063
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: the fragmentation of media, is that even a challenge anymore?

1064
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: Do you feel in some ways not being part of

1065
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: the legacy media is actually an advantage?

1066
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 2: I think definitely.

1067
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 5: They definitely come like they approach me with less of

1068
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 5: a I guess, kind of just a negative light.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes. I think it's also if I were look at you.

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Speaker 1: And see like a Peacock logo or the Post logo

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Speaker 1: or the Times logo, they just see a guy with

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Speaker 1: a small a a at a publication that so far

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Speaker 1: seems to be a straight shooter exactly.

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Speaker 5: And also it does there is times when it's definitely

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Speaker 5: harder when I do have to like kind of explain

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Speaker 5: myself more to get in get in the door with

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Speaker 5: some people or also people to talk to me. And

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Speaker 5: I find that less difficult when it's people on the hill,

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Speaker 5: are people in politics. I feel as though when I

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Speaker 5: call them, I mean, I've worked with these people the examiner,

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Speaker 5: at the Daily bas etcetera. Where it's not I don't

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Speaker 5: have to necessarily explain it, but it's more so would

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Speaker 5: be I'm talking to people not in the DC echo ecosystem,

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Speaker 5: where for example, I did a story on hore emails

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Speaker 5: that he didn't save their lives. So I was calling

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Speaker 5: these veterans that had served with him, and two of

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Speaker 5: the veterans were shot and wounded, and I had to

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Speaker 5: explain they.

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Speaker 2: Weren't readers of notice.

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Speaker 5: They If I were to call sales with the Post

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Speaker 5: or the Ties, it probably would have definitely not necessarily

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Speaker 5: been easier, but I would have had to explained it. I'd

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Speaker 5: be like, oh, this is our publication, this is what

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Speaker 5: we do. We're a startup, or it's a founder of Politico.

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Speaker 5: So Politico started notice and send them a website and

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Speaker 5: it takes it definitely is more of like an explaining thing,

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Speaker 5: but they are never once were they like, oh, like

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Speaker 5: I don't really want to talk to you. I've heard

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Speaker 5: bad things about your outloads. We're just like, what is it?

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Speaker 5: And so there is less of a I guess to

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Speaker 5: be disposed kind of idea of what notice is, which

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Speaker 5: is helpful in a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: Kate, one thing that I iced.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, no, I was gonna say.

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Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, like I was at BuzzFeed

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Speaker 4: when BuzzFeed news started and trying to explain what BuzzFeed

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Speaker 4: knew was to put Grassley or anybody else was So like,

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Speaker 4: notice is very easy in comparison to that.

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Speaker 1: life insurance is something you should really think about, especially

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Speaker 1: if you've got a growing family. One of the things

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Speaker 1: that I've noticed, Kate, and maybe I'm looking for it

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Speaker 1: because I am so appalled by what's happening at the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post when it comes to being covering the DMV as.

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Speaker 1: I try hard not to use that phrase because I

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Speaker 1: do feel like it confuses people outside of the district

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Speaker 1: Maryland in Virginia. No, I'm not talking about getting your

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Speaker 1: driver's license, but I feel like, and you tell me

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Speaker 1: this local Washington politics in some ways, you guys feel

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Speaker 1: like is part of your responsibility. That is something that

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Speaker 1: I think the Washington Post has decided is no longer

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Speaker 1: their responsibility. I saw it. It was striking to me

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Speaker 1: how they covered the Virginia governor's race as if it

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Speaker 1: were like the Kansas governor's race. It was like this

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Speaker 1: really bizarre detachment. They have one person left in the

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Speaker 1: Richmond bureau. They've made a decision they want to be

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal. I get it. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's the right call, but I understand. I get

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. They're literally retreating on all things local

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Speaker 1: and wanting to be a more national conversation. I've seen

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Speaker 1: you guys lean more into local. I feel like you've

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Speaker 1: covered the mayor's race more often than the Washington Post does,

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Speaker 1: for instance, intentional or just opportunistic.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I wouldn't say either.

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Speaker 4: I think we're really interested in political stories, stories about

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Speaker 4: the Democratic Party, stories about the federal government taking over Washington,

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Speaker 4: d C. Which is obviously a massive, important local and

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Speaker 4: national story.

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Speaker 3: I think that the stories from.

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Speaker 4: Virginia about where the Democratic Party is heading super important,

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Speaker 4: Wes Moore in Maryland, like, these are all national stories

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Speaker 4: that also serve as the local story in the back yard.

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Speaker 4: I just think like for us, it's like, we're here,

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Speaker 4: We've got people, these are interesting stories. Why wouldn't we

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Speaker 4: Why wouldn't we tell them? Like I think what I

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Speaker 4: would say is, I'll just never say no to an

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Speaker 4: interesting story.

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Speaker 1: And all of the so it's not like, Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: covering local Washington and how much culture?

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, like an explor but like what has happened?

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Speaker 3: What happened? What's happening to the Kennedy Center?

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Speaker 4: Fascinating story that we feel like we should be telling

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 3: You know, so.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's fun that you like picked up

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Speaker 4: on that, because I think, I.

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Speaker 1: Guess I see it what it does for me. It's

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Speaker 1: sort of like if you guys weren't didn't exist, I'd

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Speaker 1: feel like there was a bigger gap in, Like there's

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Speaker 1: just a whole bunch of what I would say are

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Speaker 1: quote local stories, as you say, with national implications that

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post has just decided no longer to cover.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if that is a temporary decision

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Speaker 1: by them or not, but I think good. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is primarily I think how you've worked your way

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Speaker 1: in my daily news stream because it feels like you're

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Speaker 1: covering stories that they stopped.

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Speaker 5: Covering to that point as well. I think also, we

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Speaker 5: just like breaking news a lot, and if there's a

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Speaker 5: way to break some news on anything, I think we're

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Speaker 5: all in. I mean, we broke the news about the

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Speaker 5: I remember it was the week the White House Corresponds week.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 5: It was a Sunday afternoon. I was very hungover, and

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Speaker 5: we got a story of that the Washington Commander Stadium

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Speaker 5: was moving to the old RF Kent and that they

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Speaker 5: the city had an agreement they're announcing on Monday, And

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Speaker 5: I remember being at a bar and just like typing

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Speaker 5: up my phone and it was just like, it is

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Speaker 5: a local story, not necessarily a national, not usually my wheelhouse,

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Speaker 5: but it's just like we like breaking it.

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Speaker 2: We like that whole thing.

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, this is a good kind of

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Speaker 5: scoop or a good way to kind of break news

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Speaker 5: and not gonna like nothing's really too small in that sense,

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Speaker 5: because it's like, oh, there are readers that really do

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Speaker 5: care about this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's talk about like the environment that we're

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Speaker 1: in right now and sort of Washington, Kate. I've had

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Speaker 1: a friend who says, who's lived here a long time,

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Speaker 1: who says, you know, it's DC feels just different. And

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Speaker 1: I always joke about like there is you know, the

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Speaker 1: buildings stay the same, although right with this administration, he

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Speaker 1: might actually change the building design. But it is funny

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Speaker 1: how the occupant makes people look at a building differently

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Speaker 1: and look at things a little bit differently. Do you

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Speaker 1: sense that the city has changed in the last year, Like,

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Speaker 1: is he the cultural imprint on the city itself? On

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Speaker 1: the attitude you know, as a friend of mine jokes.

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Speaker 1: Are we an occupied city at the moment?

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't necessarily feel that way.

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Speaker 4: So I I'm a bit of a transient. My permanent

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Speaker 4: residence is in Massachusetts, and I come down to Washington

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Speaker 4: quite often.

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Speaker 1: So you already Washington as sort of a you've got

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Speaker 1: a different relationship with Washington and perhaps I mean.

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Speaker 3: I mean I live.

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Speaker 4: Look, I lived here for I lived here for thirteen years,

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Speaker 4: and and to go, you know, with my family and stuff.

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Speaker 4: But it's interesting to come back because come back and forth,

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Speaker 4: because I read about you know, this is happening, and

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Speaker 4: this is happening, and I come back here and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 4: it feels exactly the same.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to know, people say, what's it like with the

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Speaker 1: National Guard troops, I'm like, other than people wearing fatigues

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Speaker 1: every once in a while walking on the sidewalk, nothing's

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Speaker 1: really change. And in fact, yeah, I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: And I always say, if they were going to do this,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why they keep putting them in the

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Speaker 1: tourist attractions. I don't know why they don't put them

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Speaker 1: in other parts of the city where maybe they could

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Speaker 1: use a little bit of extra extra I.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I mean I don't think.

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Speaker 4: I don't really think that it was Donald Trump necessarily

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Speaker 4: necessarily like this term of Donald Trump. But uh, to me,

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Speaker 4: the biggest difference was covering Capitol Hill before the pandemic

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Speaker 4: and before January sixth, and then covering Capitol Hill after

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Speaker 4: the pandemic and after January. And that is there's like

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Speaker 4: market difference.

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Speaker 1: Tell me more, tell me more about that, just.

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Speaker 4: Like the collegiality of their gone in gone just nothing

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Speaker 4: that it's nothing and and and I get it.

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Speaker 3: I think the relationship with between the.

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Speaker 4: Press and members is more strained, definitely more difficult. I

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Speaker 4: think that even I mean Reese is there every day,

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Speaker 4: and maybe it's gotten better, but the collegiality between members

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Speaker 4: of the press, you know, when I was there covering

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01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 4: things was feet It was a very this.

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Speaker 3: Was your friends.

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Speaker 4: It was like little like they're your friends who wanted

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Speaker 4: to be Obviously.

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Speaker 1: Team Press Corps though, wasn't it like yeah, you felt

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Speaker 1: like everybody. It's the way the White House Press Corps.

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01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,719
Speaker 1: I used to say, being in the White House Press Corps,

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Speaker 1: particularly when we went overseas, it was team America, you know,

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Speaker 1: and and there was and there was sort of a

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Speaker 1: relationship with fellow reporters that was different.

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Speaker 4: You know, yes you competed, but yeah, yeah, and and

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01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 4: re please correct, like, please correct me if I am wrong.

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Speaker 4: But I am trying to when I bring the fellows

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Speaker 4: up there and bring the Hill team up there, like

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Speaker 4: I am trying to change a little bit of that,

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Speaker 4: like making sure that people understand that this is, you know,

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Speaker 4: a like a really special place to cover, be the

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Speaker 4: best place to cover.

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Speaker 3: I think best places start works.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and see, like these people are your colleagues. These

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Speaker 4: are the people that you are, you know, go to

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Speaker 4: work with every single day and maybe we'll even go

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Speaker 4: through like pretty crazy situation with at some point. And

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Speaker 4: so it's about treating them with respect and collegiality. But

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Speaker 4: which again, like I just feel like it was it

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Speaker 4: was warmer ye before.

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Speaker 1: But Reese, I'm sure you don't love hearing about the

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Speaker 1: good old days because the other the good old days

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Speaker 1: is that they're old, right, you know, And I'm aware

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Speaker 1: like we're never going to go backwards, We're always going

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Speaker 1: to go forward. But how often do you hear a

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Speaker 1: similar sentiment as Kate just expressed from older colleagues on

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Speaker 1: the Hill.

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Speaker 2: Quite a bit.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, I do feel I mean, a lot of my

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Speaker 5: closest friends are on the press corps. But to your point,

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Speaker 5: it's like it's very clickie. I mean, I'll just admit that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's very much like it doesn't seem like it.

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Speaker 5: There's people who I mean, I've worked alongside up here

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Speaker 5: for Congressional talked to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I never talked to. It's just very different in

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Speaker 2: that sense.

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Speaker 5: And it's not like there's any animosity or hard feelings

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Speaker 5: for it's just like, oh, yeah, your friends.

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Speaker 1: And that's that it gets to do you start to

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Speaker 1: recognize people you don't know their name of right, You're like,

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01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: at some point we ought to we ought to at least,

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Speaker 1: you know, acknowledge each other's existence. That's work side by

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Speaker 1: side every day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: There is also though, like a really it's it makes

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Speaker 5: it fun too, in the sense that it's like it's

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Speaker 5: very competitive. I played golf in high school and college,

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Speaker 5: and I compare it to a golf team where it's

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Speaker 5: like you're on the same team because you're all like reports,

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Speaker 5: like you're just here there and your friends, but at

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Speaker 5: the same time, like you want to kick their ass,

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Speaker 5: like you want to beat them really bad, and so

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Speaker 5: there is much more of like competitive spirit, which I

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Speaker 5: also kind of chalk up to just there's more. I

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Speaker 5: feel like there's a lot more different outlets on the

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Speaker 5: hill now, like there's a whole lot more competition to

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Speaker 5: go against because it's such a I think there's there's

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Speaker 5: just so much a lot of information, so much quickly.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people just tweet out little things that happen,

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Speaker 5: or Politico has their blog that they can quickly write

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Speaker 5: stuff up, so it's a lot more of like quick

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Speaker 5: hit scoops, and so that just makes the competition so

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Speaker 5: much more where that's not necessarily stuff I focus on.

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Speaker 5: I don't really care about the quick who's meeting with who,

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Speaker 5: what's going on, who said this in conference? I like

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Speaker 5: more caring than getting those things and writing like a

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01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 5: bigger thing. But that still is like you're trying to

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Speaker 5: get it, and then it's like do I run with

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Speaker 5: this now because it might get out there, or do

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Speaker 5: I hold it and use it as like an antidote

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01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 5: as a larger, larger story. There's just so much more

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01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 5: competition and the flow of information is so much quicker.

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01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 5: It's either you get scooped right away or you you

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Speaker 5: hold in and try to hope that no one else gets.

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Speaker 2: It for it.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about your first guest for your podcast. First

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Speaker 1: of all, tell me you guys launched that this week.

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Speaker 1: What's uh? Do you have a mission? You have a

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01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 1: north star for the podcast? What's the what give me

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Speaker 1: your focus?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was definitely. I came to them about I

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01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 5: want to say, like six months ago. I was like,

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Speaker 5: I'd like to start podcasts. I think there's a lot

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01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 5: of news of the day podcast where it's like, here's

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01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 5: what's happening today, and you can get to your it's

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01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 5: hard to differentiate yourself from that.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, there's so many of those.

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Speaker 5: I there's a couple I listened to, but for the

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Speaker 5: best joy of me the podcast, I listened to our

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01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 5: more in depth get to know somebody like you have

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Speaker 5: time to talk to them. And I was like, there's

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Speaker 5: so many members of Congress that I think that there's

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Speaker 5: the general public doesn't necessarily know unless you're you're Ao

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Speaker 5: c or Jim Jordan. You're on TV all the time,

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Speaker 5: like they know who those people are. But even then

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Speaker 5: it's like just like they don't really know them no personally,

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Speaker 5: and so I catched an idea of I was like,

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Speaker 5: I want a podcast where it's not necessarily just it's

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Speaker 5: getting another member. I want someone a listener, to be

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Speaker 5: able to listen to these interviews in six months, a year,

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Speaker 5: two years and be like it's still it's relevant.

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Speaker 2: It's not talking about so in.

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Speaker 1: Somebody's an oral profile, an exact professional profile. Is the

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Speaker 1: is the goal of each of these Yes, So it's

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Speaker 1: Steve Scalise as your first guest. And what's remarkable about

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Speaker 1: him is how he has survived all this change inside

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party, right, like you know, basically you know

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Speaker 1: when you when you look at the House leadership, he's

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Speaker 1: the I guess he's the last man standing. That goes

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Speaker 1: back to was he did he serve with Bayner too? Right? Right? Yeah,

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01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: So so goes back to Bayner through Ryan and all

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Speaker 1: of that. So he is you know, it's funny, he's

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Speaker 1: always been considered more on the conservative side. Now I

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01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: don't know what the definition of conservative is anymore. That

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Speaker 1: was a subject of a podcast I just had with

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Speaker 1: Jack dan Forth where we were you know, what what

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Speaker 1: did what people think it's conservative today is not what

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Speaker 1: people would have called conservative when Steve Scalice began running

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Speaker 1: for Congress. So how does he fit in today's Republican Party.

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Speaker 5: I mean he's still universe. I mean the republic Party

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01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 5: is still just. I mean, he's really been able to

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Speaker 5: move with the party as it goes. He's made he's

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01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 5: a close ally Trump. Trump still brings him up all

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01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 5: the time, and these things, especially the story that Trump

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01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 5: continually brings upbout him is how he visited him after

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01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 5: he got shot, how his during this station tip And

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Speaker 5: he always is like your wife, do you have a

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Speaker 5: great wife? Like she was like, I'm super nice to

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01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 5: talk to you when you're in the hospital, and always

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01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 5: brings that story up when he brings up Steve Scleeze.

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01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 5: But he's really been able to adapt with the times,

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01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 5: which is not something that other members of leadership.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna say many haven't been able to pull

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Speaker 1: that off.

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Speaker 5: And he had Bader left beforehand, Ryan left and then

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Speaker 5: McCarthy got ousted, and.

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Speaker 3: That's what I wanted. People haven't wanted to adjust and

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Speaker 3: he's like he's good to adjusts.

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01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 2: Like he's made it work. Is he not?

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Speaker 1: There has to be some I mean you know, he

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Speaker 1: probably used to not take Mike Johnson's calls right away,

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Speaker 1: right like he was the dean of the delegation and

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Speaker 1: you know this young Mike Johnson, he might have screened

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Speaker 1: Mike Johnson's calls. He probably wouldn't admit if he did that,

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Speaker 1: but my guess is he might have at first. And

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Speaker 1: now he's got a uh. You know, Mike Johnson has

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Speaker 1: the job that we know Scalice would love to have, and.

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Speaker 5: It also the job that Steves Cleese did try to get.

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Speaker 5: He tried and he was blocked by the Freedom Clocks

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01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 5: and Jordan Allies and that was I mean, I remember

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Speaker 5: people asking him basically when this happened, it was like

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Speaker 5: you were supposed to be the speaker for Louisiana and

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01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 5: now you're like, you're having to hand off to this

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Speaker 5: other eye. And I mean, he would never admit it,

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01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 5: but you definitely know there is They're really close. I mean,

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Speaker 5: john Siscleise are close.

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Speaker 2: Now. They were really tight.

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Speaker 5: Very differentlationsip than him McCarthy had, and but you could

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Speaker 5: see that he was definitely disappointed, like he that was

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Speaker 5: supposed to be his speakership. He was the majority leader.

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Speaker 5: He was next in line and he was blocked. I mean,

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01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 5: there was stuff that he just couldn't get around. But

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Speaker 5: the ability that he's been able to stay leadership for

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Speaker 5: this long is remarkable. It's especially through an assassination attempt,

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01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 5: through cancer, through two Trump presidencies, when through an ever

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Speaker 5: changing conservative faction in the House. Yeah, it's wild how

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01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 5: he's been able to kind of he might he might

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01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 5: have been blocked for me a speaker, but he was

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01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 5: also like one of four people that are blocking a speaker.

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01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 5: So it wasn't not that that was unique to hand.

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01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 5: Nobody would have been was perfect until Mike Johnson. And

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01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 5: so it's just it's you definitely do sense that there

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01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 5: is probably some disappointment because that's the job he's always wanted.

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01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 5: But him and Mike Johnson are very close. They had

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01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 5: they hold a relationship that is really good.

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Speaker 1: Kate, I'm curious, given your experience now covering a decade

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01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: of Trump at the variety of locations that you covered him,

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01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: we're all sitting here. I think this time is different.

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01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 1: We've had these Trump dips below and and I think

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01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: we're all a little uh, you know, there's nobody left

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01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: that hasn't predicted incorrectly the demise of Donald Trump. Okay,

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01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: over the last twenty five years of his of his

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01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:01,640
Speaker 1: public life. You know, up, that's it for Trump, you know,

1456
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: and the TV stars dead, and that's it for Trump

1457
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: the casino guy, right. You know, he's the master of reinvention,

1458
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 1: He's the master of frankly, always being counted out a

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01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: little bit too soon. But this time feels different because

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01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: part of it, I think is we're impacting a Trump fatigue.

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01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 1: But what's your sense and is you know, what's the

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01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 1: similarity to twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, and what make what

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01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,759
Speaker 1: if it is different? What do you think it's different?

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Speaker 4: I mean, the biggest difference between twenty seventeen and twenty

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01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 4: eighteen is twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen there were like

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01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 4: norms within the administration that they were still adhering to.

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01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 4: I think when they came back into When Trump came

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01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 4: back into office, it's very purposeful, like we are going

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01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 4: to enact our agenda. I mean, the people he had

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Speaker 4: around him in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, we're all

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Speaker 4: pretty establishment Republicans who were there, who said, you know,

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Speaker 4: we know how to run a White House, like think

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01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,839
Speaker 4: about John Kelly like that, Like these are people who

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Speaker 4: who've been in d C and doing it a long time.

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01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 4: And Trump this time was like, no, we're not doing that.

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01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 4: We are going to bring We're going to have the

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Speaker 4: people around me that are loyal above all else, the

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01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 4: trust you know that I trust above all else, and

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01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 4: we are going to do.

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01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 3: What I Donald Trump and they want to do.

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01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 4: And so that to me, I look, I am out

1482
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 4: of the prediction business. I mean prediction one time, a

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01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 4: very long time ago, and I shall never do it

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01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 4: again because I.

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Speaker 3: Was very fond.

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01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 2: What was the prediction that Eric.

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01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,919
Speaker 3: Cancer would not lose his primary?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's right, you never Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't do that anymore.

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01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 4: And uh so you know, I I just it is.

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01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 4: It is hard for me when I do go up

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01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 4: to the hill, when I am in Washington and talking

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01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:08,480
Speaker 4: to Republics, like I don't see any fatigue really from them,

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Speaker 4: Like I mean, people are just keep rolling like it

1495
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 4: like there is whatever whatever scandal, whatever news story, whatever

1496
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 4: is happening, and there there is always seems to be

1497
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 4: a way out for people, you know, say and that

1498
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 4: is so I so I am not I don't see

1499
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 4: it in the in the party, and I think that

1500
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 4: you know, the elections next year will tell us more.

1501
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 3: But again, don't need predictions, you know.

1502
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: Recent I'm curious of your experience because this is something

1503
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,839
Speaker 1: that I think is going to make this mid term unique.

1504
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: Is our fragmentity information ecosystem. If you don't want to

1505
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 1: hear bad news for your side, whatever your side is,

1506
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 1: you can avoid it. You know, you can feel better

1507
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,679
Speaker 1: about how things going if you have a certain news

1508
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:15,719
Speaker 1: feed and or a certain information feed. Can you sense

1509
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 1: which members sort of are more fully informed see it

1510
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: at a three hundred and sixty degrees of the information

1511
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: ecosystem versus those that frankly maybe live in a curated world.

1512
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 5: Oh definitely, I mean I was talking. It's a lot

1513
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,759
Speaker 5: of times the members who have been there for a while,

1514
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 5: and that have been here free Trump and know what

1515
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,879
Speaker 5: it's been like for ten twenty years. At some points,

1516
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 5: they're the ones that are much more open eye to

1517
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 5: this situation of like, this is not fun, this is

1518
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 5: not good, this is not We're going to lose. I

1519
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,879
Speaker 5: talked to a member today where Mike Johnson was a conference.

1520
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 5: He was basically trying to be like, oh, Republicans. We're

1521
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 5: not just going to keep it, We're gonna grow it,

1522
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 5: Like we have perfect ability to grow it.

1523
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 2: Grabbed a veteran member.

1524
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 5: Afterwards, they told me, they're like, yeah, and I thought

1525
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 5: I was going to date the prom queen in high school,

1526
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 5: but like, we don't always get what we want, and

1527
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 5: that was their exact quote, and I was so they're

1528
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 5: much more being like this is terrible, like interesting, But you.

1529
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: See a really a real dividing line between those that

1530
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: basically that were there before twenty sixteen and those that

1531
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: it got elected during Trump's during Trump's.

1532
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 5: One hundred percent because they these younger members I would

1533
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 5: even say young younger in the amount of time they've

1534
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 5: been in Congress. Rather they they don't know they think

1535
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 5: Trump can is the only figure of the public BRD

1536
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 5: though he could do no wrong. They are type of

1537
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 5: people that came up and like, if you ran for

1538
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 5: Congress as a Republican for a first time at post Trump,

1539
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 5: you're running for Trump. You're not running like you're running

1540
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 5: because you say something in Trump and there's really and

1541
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 5: the only way to win was to run towards Trump.

1542
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 5: You cann't really run make your own really Republican lane,

1543
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 5: so those members are feel more of a sense of oh, like,

1544
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 5: he'll always find a way to make this right. He'll

1545
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 5: find a way to say that like, oh, it might

1546
01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 5: be terrible right now, but we're still gonna be okay.

1547
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 2: Where is it?

1548
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 1: The same dividing line among those who lament the lack

1549
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: of that Congress has given away too much authority to

1550
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: the presidency. That that is also that that divide is

1551
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 1: between sort of the newbies and the veterans.

1552
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 5: Oh, definitely, because I don't think newbies really know what

1553
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 5: it was like when Congress actually had its full power,

1554
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 5: like when they could stand up. I mean, they don't

1555
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,600
Speaker 5: know what it was like before Congress was like if

1556
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 5: they're actually passing appropriations, built, they're funding the government, they're

1557
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 5: doing this, like they don't fully remember what is like

1558
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 5: what are these older members who have like, oh, like

1559
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 5: I remember, like Congress is actually like we stand up

1560
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 5: to a president, we disagree.

1561
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: With that, and we still here's the irony to that

1562
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: the era they're talking about. Those of us that cover

1563
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 1: that era would say this is kind of a weak Congress.

1564
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: They're seeding too much power to the presidency. So I

1565
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: mean it is sort of amusing to me because this

1566
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 1: has been a forty year I'd argue a forty year

1567
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: phenomenon that started with the Reagan White House sort of

1568
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: you surping more and more power, and this has been

1569
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,799
Speaker 1: a consistent thing. Presidents never give power back to Congress.

1570
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't care what body they are.

1571
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 5: I remember I read a good book, The Admission of

1572
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 5: the Power, about Jim Wright and great about how he was.

1573
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 5: I think he was the last speaker to really fully

1574
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 5: be like, no, like the House, I am equal to

1575
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 5: the president. I'm going to use this power to do

1576
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 5: what I need to do. And he that's what he did.

1577
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 5: He literally saw himself as like equal to the president.

1578
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 5: He said he was taking leaders with foreign leaders, like

1579
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 5: he was doing his thing like and I feel like

1580
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 5: reading that and then looking at today, I'm like Mike

1581
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 5: Johns would never he would never try to go against

1582
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 5: I mean even like Ken McCarthy and Johnsonderby, like even

1583
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 5: to the point they were like, oh, that's that's an

1584
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 5: executive issue, that's not a legislative issue, Like even in

1585
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 5: opposite parties, that would never really happen because they would

1586
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 5: be like, oh, that's not our issue.

1587
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 2: Where before under Jim Wright.

1588
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 5: He was like, Oh, there's an issue, like I'm going

1589
01:26:58,040 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 5: to make it a legislative issue, like it's going to

1590
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:03,719
Speaker 5: be my thing, And you don't just don't see that anymore.

1591
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 1: No, I think, you know, it's inevitable we'll have another.

1592
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: You know, look, if you look at things with a

1593
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 1: really long lens, we've had cycles of weak congresses versus

1594
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: strong congresses, and I think a period of a stronger

1595
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: legislative branch, particularly if we have to continue with a

1596
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:22,600
Speaker 1: series of one term presidents, is going to be inevitable.

1597
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: We've had three in a row, and the last time

1598
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: we had that was over one hundred years ago. So

1599
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: in that sense, Kate, if there's another difference between twenty

1600
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 1: seventeen and twenty eighteen and today, it's on the democratic side.

1601
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 1: There was confidence and confidence associated both words were associated

1602
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,799
Speaker 1: with the democratic leadership circa twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen.

1603
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: Those are not two words you would here to describe

1604
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 1: the democratic leadership of today. How how much of a

1605
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 1: problem could that end up being for Democrats as they

1606
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 1: even as the political environment is pretty good if you're

1607
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: the party not in the White House, yeah.

1608
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 4: I mean I it is funny to watch them. They

1609
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 4: always get in their own way, right, Like it's like, oh,

1610
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 4: you caught the ball, and then you fumble, and you

1611
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 4: caught the ball and then you fumble. Nancy Pelosi, I

1612
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 4: think even her biggest critics would say she she counted

1613
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 4: every single vote, She knew how to get something that

1614
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 4: she wanted done done, and just had this you know,

1615
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 4: armor around her where she just.

1616
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 3: Did not let that.

1617
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 4: The infighting truly like trickle in, and it does not

1618
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:52,799
Speaker 4: seem that current Democratic leadership has has got that figured

1619
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 4: out at this point.

1620
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 3: Reese and I were in New Hampshire.

1621
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 4: A little while ago to see some senator shortly after

1622
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 4: the government reopened, some people who may or may not

1623
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 4: be thinking about running for a president in twenty twenty eight, uh,

1624
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 4: Senator Chris Murphy, Senator Corey Booker, who both you know,

1625
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,799
Speaker 4: had pretty like tough things to say about their leadership,

1626
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 4: and Senator Chuck Schumer, which is just I don't think

1627
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 4: is something you saw. I mean, people were obviously very

1628
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 4: critical of Harry Reid, but it just it was it

1629
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 4: was different, you know, and people didn't Harry Reid was

1630
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 4: still able to keep folks together and get done what

1631
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 4: he needed to get done. And the you know, the

1632
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 4: overwhelming criticism of Schuber post shut down was that he

1633
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 4: just let he you know, he let this coalition dissolve

1634
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 4: and for what. At the end of the day, it

1635
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 4: was like they had kept the government shut down and

1636
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 4: for what.

1637
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 3: So I'll be really interested to see what.

1638
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 4: How how the party run, you know, I think this

1639
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 4: idea that they can run on economy and affordability like

1640
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 4: Trump did in twenty four and as we saw in

1641
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 4: the November elections, if they can keep on that message,

1642
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:16,919
Speaker 4: maybe we'll see. But there's a lot of noise out there,

1643
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 4: especially on the far left, and it is very hard

1644
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 4: for the party, I think, to tune that out.

1645
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: Reese, what do you sense of the nervousness among you know,

1646
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 1: do Democrats feel bullish or are they always looking over

1647
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 1: their left shoulder literally that you're Democrats that you talked to.

1648
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,839
Speaker 5: I think from talking to them, they definitely feel bullish

1649
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 5: going into the midterms, but they there's just a sense

1650
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 5: that there's never gonna like they don't really have full

1651
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 5: like like clearly Nancy Pelosi is what the leader as

1652
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 5: to her point of the Decocratic Party, and they don't really

1653
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 5: have a leader like Republicans going into midterms, even when

1654
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 5: they're down, they're like, oh, Trumps aren't like Trump's gonna

1655
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 5: endorse especially yeah where I mean my colleague Alex Rody

1656
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 5: wrote about this, Well, it's about Senate races where they

1657
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 5: don't really have a forced clear primaries. They don't have

1658
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 5: a force to help get the right candidate elected. Where

1659
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 5: Steve Dain's last cycle, the former NRSC chairman was like,

1660
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 5: we have our candidate, that's the guy who can win,

1661
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 5: and we're gonna just have Trump endorse these people to

1662
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 5: then help our field. Like they could put up a

1663
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 5: candidate in Michigan who might not be able to be microagers.

1664
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 5: They might put up a candidate Maine who can't beat

1665
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 5: Susan Collins, and they have these Well they've cleared some fields,

1666
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 5: but I mean not in Texas.

1667
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 2: There's possiblity Jasmine.

1668
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 1: Right, Roy Cooper cleared a field. I don't believe anybody

1669
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 1: that Chuck Schumer did nothing to clear that field. Shared

1670
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: Brown's no he by the way, they didn't even clear

1671
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: that field, right shared Brown's not the heavy favorite, but

1672
01:31:56,160 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 1: it didn't scare off one challenger with a couple of bucks,

1673
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 1: you know.

1674
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 5: And then Texas, I mean they have James and then

1675
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,600
Speaker 5: the Crockett might get it, and that would also be

1676
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 5: a best for them. So there's also this sense of

1677
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 5: like what should be like, Oh, we're gonna win it.

1678
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 5: It's like, dang, like are you gonna well, how's it

1679
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 5: going to work? In the citate, we can nominate the

1680
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,879
Speaker 5: row candidate. Same in the House, I mean the redistrict.

1681
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 5: Your stuff is definitely getting to them.

1682
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: Do they accept the premise. Do Democrats accept the premise

1683
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: that they can't win the mid terms without winning both

1684
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:29,719
Speaker 1: the House and the Senate.

1685
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 2: I don't think they do. I think they're really focusing.

1686
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 5: I think they're like, oh, if we win the House,

1687
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 5: were good, they could just like hinder.

1688
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 2: A little bit.

1689
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. That that to me is that's a loser mentality.

1690
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: That's not a win.

1691
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 5: It is hard to Definitely the sinate is definitely significantly harder,

1692
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:46,639
Speaker 5: but means you would think.

1693
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 2: That ever seats.

1694
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 1: I just did this. I just did a bunch of

1695
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 1: research on this. We've had We've had thirty three midterms

1696
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 1: since eighteen ninety four, which was the first time the

1697
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: out party swept the House and the Senate in the

1698
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 1: midterm and in eighteen of the twenty one times at

1699
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:08,639
Speaker 1: the Out Party in those thirty three elections gained Senate seats.

1700
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 1: Eighteen of the twenty one times that the Outparty gained

1701
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 1: Senate seats, they gained four or more Senate seats. So

1702
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 1: in theory, picking up four Senate seats is sort of

1703
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 1: the norm. If that party picks up most of the

1704
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: time it is four or more. So the idea that

1705
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: they viewed that as a reach right now, I think

1706
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 1: is a real indictment of the fact that they're no

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01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 1: longer a national party because they just can't compete in

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01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 1: literally a third of the country.

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Speaker 5: And then there are also is concerned, I mean even

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Speaker 5: about states that should be safe New Hampshire with Johnson

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01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 5: neu new getting in, like they're gonna have to spend

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01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 5: money there when usually I mean if it was just

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01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 5: Scott Brown that would have the National Party would not

1714
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:48,639
Speaker 5: have had.

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Speaker 1: To spent some money. Eh, they might have to spend

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01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 1: some I think people under estimate Scott New Hampshire is

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01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 1: a quirky state. It is where yeah, you know it's

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01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's really smart. People pissed off how

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01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 1: cold it is, right like it's just, you know, it's

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01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 1: just you know, you never know, very dark.

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01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 3: That was all your hotline popping out there. Check just

1722
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 3: a little bit.

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01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:14,640
Speaker 1: I just well, I'm just vomiting my my data that

1724
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: I just sort of accumulated because I was obsessed with this.

1725
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 1: How many times has there been an actual clean suite

1726
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,679
Speaker 1: where the out party won both the House and the Senate.

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01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,639
Speaker 1: It's actually, I only happened six times since the since

1728
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: the Republican Party became one of the two major parties. Ironically,

1729
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 1: the first time it ever happened is the first time.

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01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 1: It was for Grover Cleveland's presidency, in the second mid

1731
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 1: term of his second non consecutive term. I'm not saying

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01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: history repeats itself, but.

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Speaker 5: But I think you also been a difficulty for Democrats

1734
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 5: that I'm hearing a lot is that there's no cohesion.

1735
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 5: A message like the shutdown, I think really amplified that.

1736
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 5: Where there were some people, I mean, they're just and

1737
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 5: even if there is a message, they don only fight

1738
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 5: to push forward with it. Like the message was, oh,

1739
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 5: it's a Republican shutdown, but like we're not going to

1740
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 5: open it back up until we get healthcare, Like it

1741
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:11,719
Speaker 5: was just Democrats are really upset about how there wasn't fake.

1742
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 1: Because it wasn't about healthcare. But they couldn't say what

1743
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 1: it was really about because the public didn't you know,

1744
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: it was really about not trust that the executive in

1745
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 1: a weird way, it was an old fashioned Hey, the

1746
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 1: executive branch doesn't respect the legislative branch. We can't trust

1747
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 1: them to the laws that we pass. They won't try

1748
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 1: to nullify. But your good luck selling that message hard.

1749
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 4: I don't know if anyone on Capitol Hill really feels

1750
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 4: like a winner right now.

1751
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 3: I don't know, like vibe up. There is so bad people.

1752
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 1: I've heard it's super bad. And I mean, you know,

1753
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:48,640
Speaker 1: you hear the anecdotes. I mean that people are demoralized.

1754
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 1: That should I mean, look, I assume we're going to

1755
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 1: see two to three retirements a week for the next

1756
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 1: six weeks. And it feels especially if, like I said,

1757
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 1: we're taping before the Tennessee special. If you know, I

1758
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 1: assume Republicans hang on and went narrowly win it. But

1759
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 1: if an earthquake happens, a retirement earthquake could happen.

1760
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't necessarily think that there'll be like immediate

1761
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 5: resignations like MTG.

1762
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 2: But I do you think to your.

1763
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 5: Point that people are just gonna be like, I don't

1764
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:17,640
Speaker 5: want it, probably especially if they're like I don't want

1765
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:19,759
Speaker 5: to be in the minority, Like it's miserable to the majority,

1766
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 5: this will be even more miserable to the minority. I'm

1767
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 5: gonna just leave, right and it's gonna be really.

1768
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 4: Interested members who say, like being in the minority is

1769
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 4: like slightly more fun because you don't really have to

1770
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 4: like do anything, you.

1771
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 1: Know, like you don't really have to don't do anything.

1772
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 4: You don't do anything, like you just show up and

1773
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 4: yell a little bit, and you don't actually have to

1774
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 4: be responsible for for policies in the same way. Obviously,

1775
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 4: obviously they you know.

1776
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:48,719
Speaker 3: They want to win the majority.

1777
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 4: But I just think I think that like the as

1778
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 4: you said, the you know, getting getting cohesion or talking

1779
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 4: like a winner, that there is none of that, there's

1780
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 4: none of that feeling anymore among any like that. I

1781
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 4: don't feel like they're even trying necessarily, you know, like

1782
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 4: Kristin Jilbrand, Kristen.

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01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 3: Jilbrand is the is the DSCC chair, right? Is that correct?

1784
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: How about the fact that no, it is, but I

1785
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 1: do the same thing, Kate. It's it is Kirsten Jillibrand

1786
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: because talk about somebody who has chosen to have the

1787
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 1: yeah in an anonymous footprint, like you know, it's like

1788
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 1: she does not want to be seen. She does not

1789
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:32,679
Speaker 1: It's a strange thing. I'm very curious about a relationship

1790
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 1: with Schumer. I'm sure it's okay, but I'm usually senators

1791
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 1: from the same state, from the same party, you know,

1792
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 1: the relationships it's never usually great. Weirdly, the relationships are

1793
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 1: better when it's when it's from opposite parties. Sometimes unless

1794
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 1: you're Ron Johnson and Tammy Baldwin, but you get along

1795
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 1: with Ron Johnson, right, But it is, it's a it's

1796
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 1: been really strange watching this DSCC. They are I think

1797
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 1: the argument they would Kate is, hey, everybody hates the establishment,

1798
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 1: so we don't want to we don't want to stick

1799
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 1: our head up and become a target.

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Speaker 4: Well, then why I pick an establishment senator to run

1801
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 4: the DSCC. You know, It's just it's very it's it's

1802
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 4: bizarre to me because I feel like, you know, previously

1803
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 4: previous DSCC chairs twenty twenty fourteen and twenty eighty some

1804
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 4: of the other midterms I've covered, Like.

1805
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 3: There's brief it.

1806
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 4: You know, there's briefings, they're they're they're doing things, they're

1807
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:32,799
Speaker 4: out there, they're talking, and I just I don't see.

1808
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:34,720
Speaker 1: Well, Rees, I was just going to say, do you

1809
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 1: think if you've got a question about a Senate race,

1810
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,760
Speaker 1: do you go to Schumer's office or Jilli Brand's.

1811
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 5: Office, I go to consultant. I'm like, this is like

1812
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 5: a lot of times the DS. I'm gonna be honest,

1813
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:49,680
Speaker 5: like I found it. I find that the DS is

1814
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 5: not super responsive all the time.

1815
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 2: Like and I think that.

1816
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 5: Also, like if I wanted to know something specific about

1817
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,000
Speaker 5: the Senate rate, like will either go to the candidates

1818
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 5: or people in the state there who are like maybe

1819
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 5: not necessarily working for a candidate, but might be working

1820
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 5: for the state party or might just be a consultant there.

1821
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 5: That's more where I focus. And I think that it's

1822
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 5: been it's just been difficult. Like there there's a lot

1823
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 5: like the NSC has been hosting briefings and they've been

1824
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 5: like there's at least been some more conversation and communication.

1825
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 5: It's I will say the D trip is really good.

1826
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 5: I get into the D trip is really communicated. So

1827
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 5: the NRCC, but the DS I've just found to be

1828
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 5: not like just I just I don't know. I just

1829
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 5: has been kind of a more of a difficult relationship.

1830
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 5: And I don't know, maybe that's on me. Maybe I'm

1831
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 5: not doing pretty my best foot for well, you're not alone.

1832
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 1: It's just that they just don't they don't You get

1833
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 1: the sense that that they're there keeping their head down

1834
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:54,600
Speaker 1: because there's this awkward conversation happening in some of these

1835
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: Senate primaries where there's where supporting Schumer is a litmus

1836
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 1: test and which is gonna put the D and you know,

1837
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:02,640
Speaker 1: so my guess is they're almost afraid to go on

1838
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:04,639
Speaker 1: the record about any Senate Democratic candidate.

1839
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:08,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then also like their whole they completely true.

1840
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 5: And there's also I mean, I remember they Jill Brand

1841
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 5: I believe, was saying literally on the record that oh,

1842
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 5: we're not gonna get involved in the main primary. We're

1843
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 5: gonna let this play out. And then I reported and

1844
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 5: I'm like, you have a joint fundraising committee with Suit

1845
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 5: with Jana Mills, like this is and then like I

1846
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 5: tweeted that out, I'm like, this is a JFC with

1847
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 5: Jana Mills in the d SEC like, I don't know

1848
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 5: how much more cleary it could be, and then that

1849
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:34,679
Speaker 5: later was like, oh, like that's not really an endorsement.

1850
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:36,760
Speaker 5: I'm like, it is one hundred percent endorsement if you're

1851
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 5: joint fundraising with her. And so there's just like they

1852
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 5: want to help their candidates, but at the same time,

1853
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 5: like that could be.

1854
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:46,719
Speaker 1: Mad to this race. Did they start one with Grant

1855
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 1: with Platner yet or not?

1856
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 2: They did not start arning the Grant platter I don't

1857
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 2: think that's in the cards.

1858
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.

1859
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:53,680
Speaker 2: And same thing in like.

1860
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:56,680
Speaker 5: Michigan, like they're very much behind Hailey Stevens, but it's

1861
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 5: like they don't want to publicly put all their weight

1862
01:40:58,600 --> 01:40:59,120
Speaker 5: behind her.

1863
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 1: Well she looks, I yeah, I mean talk about a

1864
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 1: candidate that you can tell is in baseball there's an

1865
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: expression having It was an old expression called rabbit ears,

1866
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 1: and it was for baseball players who were too tuned

1867
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 1: into what the people in the crowd were saying and

1868
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:19,840
Speaker 1: not focused enough on the game. Haley Stevens strikes me

1869
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 1: as a candidate that's got Robert ear. She reads every

1870
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 1: bad press clipping she gets and is constantly fearing she's

1871
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 1: got the look of a candidate running scared and she

1872
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 1: wants to recreate the Slotkin campaign, and it's not going

1873
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 1: to happen this cycle. It's just a different cycle. And

1874
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 1: I could feel the pressure seems to be getting there.

1875
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 1: I think the question now is at Elsie, she looks

1876
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 1: like a candidate that's running nervous, and nervous candidates don't win.

1877
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:50,040
Speaker 5: And my colleagues Altrody and Danielle Diaz wrote a good

1878
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:52,799
Speaker 5: story about Haley Stevens about how the party is actually

1879
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:55,759
Speaker 5: like dang, do we push for the right person?

1880
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 2: Like this is?

1881
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:58,679
Speaker 1: It had been better off with McMorrow. But the problem

1882
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,840
Speaker 1: is that's the thing. Is it a scarlet letter if

1883
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 1: you get the party's endorsement, right, is it automatically sending

1884
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 1: the wrong message, which is a really troubling place for

1885
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 1: the for the brand of the party to be. Let

1886
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 1: me get you both out of here on the following

1887
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:17,599
Speaker 1: and Kate, I'll start with you, and that is, give

1888
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:19,680
Speaker 1: me a couple of names that people don't know right

1889
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:23,600
Speaker 1: now that you think will be household names in Washington

1890
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 1: a year from now. You know, maybe it's a member

1891
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 1: of Congress, maybe it's a uh, you know, a candidate

1892
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 1: for Congress, but somebody that that may become more of

1893
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 1: a household name. You know that In a similar question

1894
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 1: for you, Reese, but really focused on your being on

1895
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:42,800
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill because I think sometimes the so called backbenchers, right,

1896
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:45,559
Speaker 1: you know, Mike Johnson was a backbencher until he wasn't,

1897
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 1: right like, and I think that's we know this happens.

1898
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 1: So give me a couple of names, Kate and Reese.

1899
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 1: I want to get you out of there on the

1900
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 1: same question.

1901
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:58,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know, like like DC household.

1902
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 1: Names, but I right that that actually you know that,

1903
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:07,240
Speaker 1: let's put it in another way that either the Ruthless

1904
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 1: guys or the Pod Save America guys are going to

1905
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:13,080
Speaker 1: be obsessing over this person a year from now, and

1906
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 1: right now, this person wouldn't be on either of their

1907
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 1: radars right there. To me, they're the sort of the

1908
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,800
Speaker 1: partisan zeitgeist guys, right, you know whatever the zeitgeist of

1909
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 1: the left or the zeitgeist of the right is. They

1910
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:28,440
Speaker 1: kind of both sort of seem to tune their podcasts

1911
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 1: into that. Right.

1912
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 4: So I'll shout out to someone who's an upcoming guest

1913
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 4: on the On.

1914
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,760
Speaker 1: Notice podcast that's a smart way to do it. Yeah, promoting.

1915
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:44,320
Speaker 4: Becca Balance from Vermont. She's a at large member from Vermont.

1916
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 1: She first term, right, right, this is the Peter Well.

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Speaker 4: She is, she is, she took Yeah, well she's see it.

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Speaker 4: And a lot of people see her as sort of

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Speaker 4: the heir apparent to Bertie Sanders if Bernie does retire,

1920
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Speaker 4: will she take up his mantle? You know, they sort

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Speaker 4: of see her as as just a potential successor. And

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Speaker 4: I thought Reese's conversation with her was fascinating. So hope

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Speaker 4: people listen to that one and tune in, and so

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Speaker 4: I think she'll she's definitely on the radar. And then

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Speaker 4: someone who's a little more I think already on some

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Speaker 4: people's radars, is another upcoming Unnice Gas. Marie Glusen camp Perez.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, I just fine to be just.

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Speaker 1: We're this close to where MGP is going to mean

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Speaker 1: something to people, right, We're not quite there, right, Marie

1930
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Speaker 1: Glusen camp Perez.

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Speaker 3: But they different than.

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Speaker 1: Exactly or or or or MTG, right, you know, so

1933
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Speaker 1: or STP, which for NASCAR fans they would know. Reese

1934
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:51,519
Speaker 1: over to you give.

1935
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Speaker 2: Me two in the Senate, two in the House, the Senate.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to go rubined Diego, who freshman Democratic Center

1937
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Speaker 5: from Arizona.

1938
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Speaker 1: You think his stars all going to get brighter over them.

1939
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 2: I think it's only going to grow.

1940
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Speaker 5: He is really kind of making a name for himself

1941
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Speaker 5: in the Senate, both in foreign policy realm and then

1942
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Speaker 5: also with the defense video that Trump he seems to.

1943
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Speaker 1: Be seeking it out right, He's seeking out action.

1944
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves he loves it.

1945
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Speaker 5: And then also I think Bernie Marino from Ohio, who

1946
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Speaker 5: be shared Brown, is I think he just has again

1947
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Speaker 5: like a good foreign policist but also like a political

1948
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Speaker 5: actionen that he is catching the eye of a lot

1949
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Speaker 5: of people. And he I think that these two freshmen

1950
01:45:31,240 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 5: are definitely not household names by any stress imagination. But

1951
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Speaker 5: I mean, you don't be shared Brown and not have

1952
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Speaker 5: some kind of skill and stay with Rumaguego. I mean,

1953
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:42,320
Speaker 5: he beat Kerry Lake, who wasn't necessarily the hardest candidate

1954
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:44,240
Speaker 5: to beat, but there was still I mean Trump on

1955
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 5: Arizona that year and or guessing last year.

1956
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Speaker 1: You know the way you described Marino and and I've

1957
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 1: actually heard it that it sounds like he's a future

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Speaker 1: in r SC chair.

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Speaker 5: I think that I mean always a possibility. He has

1960
01:45:56,360 --> 01:46:00,920
Speaker 5: this just this real political wit about him and he and.

1961
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Speaker 1: Let's be honest, he's a car salesman and I and

1962
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Speaker 1: I mean this in the in the best way to

1963
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Speaker 1: describe it. You know, he knows how to talk, he

1964
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Speaker 1: knows how to community exactly.

1965
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Speaker 5: And then on the house, I'm gonna say, I think

1966
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Speaker 5: someone who's definitely not a household name, but I would

1967
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:14,839
Speaker 5: keeping out is Brian Jack. He's Trump's former political director

1968
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Speaker 5: in the White House.

1969
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Speaker 3: He is.

1970
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Speaker 5: He also worked for Kevin McCarthy as a political director

1971
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 5: prior to running, and he is he doesn't do a

1972
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 5: lot of TV hits. He's not a big media guy.

1973
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,040
Speaker 5: But there was even rumor, I mean, when Richard Hudson

1974
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 5: was considering whether to try to go for n C

1975
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:34,639
Speaker 5: chairman or go for NRCC, his name was thrown out.

1976
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 5: He hadn't been sworn in yet as a possible NRCC

1977
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:41,040
Speaker 5: chairman as a freshman, which obviously that I mean Hudson

1978
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:44,360
Speaker 5: decided to go and the route of saying in RCC chairman. Uh,

1979
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:48,679
Speaker 5: but yeah, Brian Jack is definitely someone who is really

1980
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:51,519
Speaker 5: just a great operator. McCarthy loves him Trump, He's he

1981
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Speaker 5: has a really close relationship with Trump.

1982
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Speaker 1: And to have both. Yeah, he's not going to be Yeah.

1983
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Speaker 5: You're not gonna see him what Fox us all the time.

1984
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:02,639
Speaker 5: But I mean a lot of times most the best

1985
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:04,920
Speaker 5: operator in the house are the people that you don't

1986
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Speaker 5: necessarily see all the time.

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Speaker 1: Well that's that's that's why I was asking you guys,

1988
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Speaker 1: because I that's all right. It's the old cliche the

1989
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:16,040
Speaker 1: show horse versus the workhorse, exactly. You know, you have

1990
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Speaker 1: those that think just showing up on Fox News is

1991
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Speaker 1: the job right on others or ms, you know others,

1992
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Speaker 1: And I.

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Speaker 5: Think someone who is like a perfect example of that.

1994
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 5: I mean Patrick mckenry. He went to Congress being like

1995
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna be a show horse, got some talking to

1996
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:33,719
Speaker 5: became a workhorse, and was speaker pro tem for three weeks.

1997
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 5: Like he really reinvented himself in that sense.

1998
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Speaker 1: But like I enjoy referring to him as mister speaker.

1999
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Speaker 1: I see him quite a bit these days. It's uh, yeah, it's.

2000
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Speaker 2: I see him.

2001
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Speaker 5: His kids go to school right by my house. I

2002
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:46,599
Speaker 5: always see him walking to his kids. I still say

2003
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 5: mister speaker. I think it pisses him off to.

2004
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Speaker 1: Know when oh so weirdly, I think he kind of

2005
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:54,840
Speaker 1: I think he realized. Yeah, yeah, I mean I love

2006
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 1: that his speaker's portrait is what a third of the size? Right?

2007
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Speaker 1: I mean, I just think they they've all I had

2008
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Speaker 1: a little fun, Reese. How can people follow you in

2009
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2022
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Speaker 1: you guys are doing. It's it's a reminder there's always

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2047
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Speaker 1: let's get some questions. We'll get to a little last chuck.

2048
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Speaker 1: Then I'll get to my top five list, ask Chuck.

2049
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:17,800
Speaker 1: First question comes from Tyler and he asks, with all

2050
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 1: the ice raids and that economy for working class, do

2051
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:21,720
Speaker 1: you think Trump support with Latinos will start to go

2052
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 1: down drastically? If yes, do you think states like Florida

2053
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Speaker 1: and Texas could be in play for Democrats in twenty

2054
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Speaker 1: twenty eight. Well, first, Tyler, the numbers have already softened

2055
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 1: a great deal. And I have to tell you one

2056
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:35,040
Speaker 1: of the weirdest things that took place in twenty twenty

2057
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 1: four in the post election analysis was assuming that every

2058
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 1: voter that voted for Trump is suddenly a Trump voter,

2059
01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 1: meaning like they're suddenly part of the Trump coalition and

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01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 1: like a base and sort of talked about as a

2061
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:53,240
Speaker 1: base voter. And so there was this, hey, look, you

2062
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Speaker 1: know to me, you know, we used to have a

2063
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:58,840
Speaker 1: rule in and I think they still do at the

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01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:02,040
Speaker 1: NBC Newspot. But the rule was, when you saw a

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01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 1: trend in a demographic don't report on a trend that

2066
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 1: you'd never seen before. You know, a dramatic spike or drop,

2067
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:11,479
Speaker 1: you know, among the specific demographic group could be men

2068
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:13,920
Speaker 1: could be women, could be, Latinos could be African Americans, Cutter,

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Speaker 1: don't report it until we see it. Two poles in

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Speaker 1: a row. Well, I think that applies to elections, which

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01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:27,200
Speaker 1: is now. There had been some softening among Latino support

2072
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:31,840
Speaker 1: for Democrats for the last couple of cycles. Then we

2073
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:36,439
Speaker 1: had the dramatic swing in twenty twenty four, led by

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01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:39,360
Speaker 1: what we saw in South Texas. But that was a

2075
01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 1: dramatic swing. And it's arguably when you see a swing

2076
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:45,599
Speaker 1: like that, you wait one more cycle before you declare

2077
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:48,960
Speaker 1: that voting group a part of a semi at least

2078
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 1: no members permanent of any coalition, but a you know,

2079
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Speaker 1: fairly consistent member of said coalition. Well, we've only had

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Speaker 1: one election with Latino's decidedly leaning Republican. But I just

2081
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:06,240
Speaker 1: simply think that Latino working class voters are swing voters.

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01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:09,439
Speaker 1: They're no different than white working class swing voters and

2083
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 1: black working class swung voters. And we saw all working

2084
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:18,280
Speaker 1: class voters, black, brown, or why all lean Trump and

2085
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:21,760
Speaker 1: in some cases swung Trump very hard. And all of

2086
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 1: them have already swung back, and if either some of

2087
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 1: them are already voting Democratic on the generic. Some are

2088
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,840
Speaker 1: simply expressing disapproval of Trump and are sitting and undecided.

2089
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:36,040
Speaker 1: Others are sitting in independent. So we've already seen the erosion.

2090
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Speaker 1: It's pretty it's pretty dramatic if you compare it to

2091
01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:42,320
Speaker 1: his success of twenty four. I don't find it very dramatic.

2092
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:45,640
Speaker 1: I kind of see it as expected. But it was

2093
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:48,559
Speaker 1: treated his twenty twenty four success was treated as if

2094
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:50,800
Speaker 1: it was permanent. And you know, one of the things

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01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:55,320
Speaker 1: I remember, not every member, not everybody who votes for president,

2096
01:52:55,320 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 1: does so enthusiastically. Right, there's a lot of people that

2097
01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:01,680
Speaker 1: do this. Oh, by voting for right, you're holding your

2098
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:03,719
Speaker 1: nose and you're going, all right, I guess I'm gonna

2099
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:06,599
Speaker 1: go here. And it's usually more because you can't bring

2100
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 1: yourself to vote for the other person. It's less about

2101
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:15,759
Speaker 1: it is it is, you know, the Maybe it's the devil,

2102
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's the least of the two worst options. Whatever.

2103
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:23,080
Speaker 1: When in south Park one year, I think did an

2104
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:29,200
Speaker 1: election between a turd sandwich and I can't remember what

2105
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:30,800
Speaker 1: it was. It was like a tird sandwich and a

2106
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:34,439
Speaker 1: shit sandwich or something like that. Pardon my French. That's

2107
01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing. I kind of they had it.

2108
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Speaker 1: I think I'm getting it I apologize for mangling and

2109
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Speaker 1: as a proud member of gen X, I should never

2110
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Speaker 1: get any South Park references wrong. So my apologies for there.

2111
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Speaker 1: But it was it was one of their better episodes,

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01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:48,840
Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, it was a giant douche

2113
01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:50,600
Speaker 1: and a tird sandwich. That's what it was. It was

2114
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:52,479
Speaker 1: a giant douche and a third sandwich. But what I

2115
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:54,320
Speaker 1: love was at the end is like, you don't understand

2116
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:57,400
Speaker 1: sometimes that's your choice, but you've got to make a

2117
01:53:57,479 --> 01:54:00,960
Speaker 1: choice because in America sometimes your only choice is a

2118
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:02,760
Speaker 1: giant douche or a turd sandwich, and you got to

2119
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:06,439
Speaker 1: pick one, and you got to decide which one's going

2120
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Speaker 1: to do the least amount of damage. So I think

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Speaker 1: we Now you're asking which states. I think it's more

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Speaker 1: likely to have an impact in Texas than Florida. Florida's

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Speaker 1: the Florida Latino voter is slightly different. In Central Florida,

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Speaker 1: there's there's the Central Florida Latino voters more likely to

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Speaker 1: behave like the South Texas Latino voter. But in South

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Speaker 1: Florida it's a different it's a different Hispanic voter. A

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Speaker 1: lot of Cuban Americans Venezuela. A lot of Central and

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Speaker 1: South Americans who are there who came to this country

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Speaker 1: sort of escaping communism in the case of the Cubans,

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Speaker 1: or escaping authoritarianism in the case of the Venezuelans and

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Speaker 1: the Nicaraguans, et cetera. So so it's now if he

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Speaker 1: botches this Venezuela build up and lets down a whole,

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01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, there's a scenario where he decides not decides

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01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:15,880
Speaker 1: to cut a deal with Maduro that maybe popular, maybe

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01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:17,920
Speaker 1: the thing that is the right thing to do for

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01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,640
Speaker 1: the Mega movement, but actually will alienate Cubans and Venezuelan's

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Speaker 1: and South Florida, and that could really scramble Florida politics.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not quite ready to say that that that

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Speaker 1: shift's going to happen in Florida. I think it has

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01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 1: a bigger impact in Texas and a bigger impact in

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01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:39,400
Speaker 1: Arizona also, you know, with a and even in basically

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Speaker 1: everywhere except South Florida. That's probably the way to put it.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Matt in Chesterfield, Virginia. Matt writes, Hey, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: longtime fan of both you and Crystalizza, your weekly conversations

2145
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:51,880
Speaker 1: and election night live shows that've been a breath of

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01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:54,240
Speaker 1: fresh air. As a JMU grad, Hey, all right, let's

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01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:57,040
Speaker 1: go Dukes. I'm on cloud nine about crashing the playoffs.

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01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:58,720
Speaker 1: That's how you grow the sport, even if it won't

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01:55:58,720 --> 01:56:00,560
Speaker 1: impact the champion. And he had a case. But it's

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01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:03,720
Speaker 1: not jam U's fault that the acc messed up. It's tiebreaker.

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01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:05,560
Speaker 1: You got that right, Well, you and Chris have a

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01:56:05,560 --> 01:56:07,560
Speaker 1: bet on that game. Far look ahead feels like the

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01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 1: next open VA Senate races prime to be Spamberger versus Youngkin. Ooh,

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01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:15,240
Speaker 1: that's that's I've heard that before. I think Youngkin runs

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01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 1: for president before he runs for Senate next. I'm not

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01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:19,240
Speaker 1: saying you won't eventually run for Senate, but I think

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01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:21,680
Speaker 1: he wants to. He wants to take twenty twenty eight

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01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:25,800
Speaker 1: for a test ride first before he runs for Senate.

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01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:27,680
Speaker 1: If he's a Senate candidate, my guess would be not

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01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 1: till not till twenty thirty he goes. Go Dukes and

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01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:34,320
Speaker 1: Red's how about that? Baseball economics are bad, But like

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01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:36,200
Speaker 1: my Duke's was happy to be part of the party

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01:56:36,240 --> 01:56:42,280
Speaker 1: this year. Matt from Chesterfield. Actually, Silis and I are

2164
01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:44,840
Speaker 1: going to have a bet because silisam married into a

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01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:47,520
Speaker 1: Texas A and M family. He is if you know

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01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:50,400
Speaker 1: the Modello ads that talks about the different fans that

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01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:53,240
Speaker 1: they're looking they're looking to reward, and he says, there's

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Speaker 1: the there's the fan that married into the married into

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01:56:56,240 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 1: the family, you know, married in to the fandom. Well

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Speaker 1: that's Elizabeth Texas A and M. So we're gonna have

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01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:05,880
Speaker 1: a little Miami v. Texas A and M bet and

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01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:11,360
Speaker 1: we're probably going to tailgate together in College station. We'll

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01:57:11,400 --> 01:57:14,800
Speaker 1: see if the Gigghams and the Todds can get along.

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Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, I'm looking forward to that. But

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01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:24,840
Speaker 1: to go back to your Senate race, far look ahead

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01:57:24,840 --> 01:57:30,080
Speaker 1: Spamberger versus Youngkin. Like I said, both of them could

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Speaker 1: be on it. Both of them could be on the

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Speaker 1: ballot in twenty eight for a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: higher office. Spamberger as the VP, Youngkin running for president

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Speaker 1: for the Republican nomination. Just have something to think about,

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Speaker 1: all right. Next question comes from George and the Twin Cities. Hey, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the great programming. Lately, the Iowa Senate candidate

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Speaker 1: ms Iker and others have been terrific. As someone who

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Speaker 1: grew up on a farm in East Central I would

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Speaker 1: love to hear debate on reforms like electing the Attorney

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Speaker 1: General into pendently, requiring timely congressional votes on confirmations and emergencies,

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01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:07,120
Speaker 1: and clarifying presidential immunity, which the founders were largely silent on.

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01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:10,200
Speaker 1: These changes could help restore balance and accountability across the branches,

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01:58:10,280 --> 01:58:11,920
Speaker 1: thoughts I like them. On a lighter note, glad to

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Speaker 1: see Miami made the playoffs. Had the head should have

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01:58:13,720 --> 01:58:15,640
Speaker 1: always mattered, and I thought Notre Dame's reaction was a

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01:58:15,680 --> 01:58:18,000
Speaker 1: bit much Georgian and the Twin Cities. Well, look, my

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Speaker 1: top five list is going to be a little bit

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01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:24,000
Speaker 1: about that, just to give people a sneak preview that, man,

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01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm in playoff Heaven, so I'm going to have a

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01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:29,840
Speaker 1: little bit too much football over the next couple of programs.

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01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to spare those that roll their eyes

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01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:35,400
Speaker 1: about it and put it at the end so that

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01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you don't have to listen to that

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01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:39,560
Speaker 1: part of the podcast if you're burned out on it.

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01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:41,720
Speaker 1: But I'd like to think I've turned some of you

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Speaker 1: into at least semi interested college football fans, so let

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01:58:47,120 --> 01:58:51,720
Speaker 1: me tick through your reforms very quick. So obviously we

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01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:54,320
Speaker 1: don't elect that attorney it's interesting, would you like to

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01:58:54,440 --> 01:58:56,320
Speaker 1: see us in elect I think you're asking we should

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01:58:56,320 --> 01:59:01,400
Speaker 1: elect the attorney general independently. I've you know, you saw that,

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Speaker 1: Sarah skir and I I threw that adder as sort

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01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:05,720
Speaker 1: of we got to come up maybe a federal reserve way.

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Speaker 1: If the Spring Court is going to rule in such

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Speaker 1: a way that all anybody in the executive branch is

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01:59:12,160 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 1: an at will employee of the President of the United States,

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01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:18,440
Speaker 1: regardless of whether it's a quasi independent commission versus one

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01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:23,960
Speaker 1: that is directly present appointed by the president, does sort

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Speaker 1: of shake up this. I do think we either need

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Speaker 1: either Congress has to be more specific on which agencies

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Speaker 1: are independent and which aren't, which I do think they

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01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:39,680
Speaker 1: could designate on their own and just say, hey, they're

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Speaker 1: operating under the branch, but as written into law. This

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Speaker 1: is I think, and this has been sort of essentially

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Speaker 1: the philosophy of John Roberts, which is he just thinks

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Speaker 1: Congress needs to be more specific in their intent and

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01:59:56,360 --> 01:59:59,640
Speaker 1: that the executive you know you're If you're not, then

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01:59:59,680 --> 02:00:03,480
Speaker 1: you're just making it giving the courts no choice but

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Speaker 1: to give the executive branch difference. But you know, if

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Speaker 1: you look at where he's always at, it's always he's

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Speaker 1: essentially trying to get Congress to do its job. And

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Speaker 1: on that score, you know, I think he's right. I

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Speaker 1: think he's He sometimes leans on it as a crutch

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Speaker 1: to sort of avoid ideological fights sometimes or try to

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Speaker 1: rationalize certain ideological outcomes, but largely I don't disagree with him. Look,

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Speaker 1: you got a lot of members of Congress that want

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Speaker 1: legislation to be as as as ambiguous as possible so

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Speaker 1: that they can they can sort of claim credit for

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02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:44,600
Speaker 1: the good stuff, but keep their hands clean if things

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02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:47,480
Speaker 1: get dirty, right and say, oh, it's how it was implemented.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to take responsibility for the implementation, which

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Speaker 1: is why there's such a light on specifics on how

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Speaker 1: to implement these things. Which what they've done is that

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Speaker 1: they've essentially just handed the executive brand more power. And

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Speaker 1: that's the you know, you're saying, you know, we should

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Speaker 1: have timely congressional votes and confirmations emergencies, yes, which you're

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02:01:10,760 --> 02:01:13,120
Speaker 1: basically asking, can't we just have Congress to it's job.

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Speaker 1: The answer is yes. Now on presidential immunity, I disagree

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Speaker 1: that the Founders were silent. I think what the Founders

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Speaker 1: really believed in was a robust legislative branch that would

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Speaker 1: have no problem holding the executive to account via the

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Speaker 1: impeachment process. Right, that is why they wrote it into

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Speaker 1: the Constitution. They saw it as an important check, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the things you have to you know that

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Speaker 1: I've had pounded in my head by Founder scholars, and

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Speaker 1: I think I want to pound in everybody ahead here.

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Speaker 1: If they didn't write, if they wrote it, if they

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Speaker 1: wrote a specific in the Constitution, they did it for

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Speaker 1: a reason, and if they didn't. So take the issue

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Speaker 1: of super majorities. I'm a big fan of supermajorities for

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Speaker 1: judicial picks, but it's notable. And as as those that

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Speaker 1: have pushed back on me through the lens of sort

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Speaker 1: of originalists or sort of what founders intent, I don't

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02:02:06,640 --> 02:02:09,040
Speaker 1: like originalism. I like sort of founders intent, which I

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Speaker 1: think sort of is a way to is a way

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Speaker 1: to both sort of honor the original intent and at

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Speaker 1: the same time modernize it. Right, when the Founders thought

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Speaker 1: super majorities were necessary, they wrote that into the Constitution.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that they didn't in certain places means

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Speaker 1: they know they were you know, they thought fifty There's

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Speaker 1: a reason they thought fifty plus one could work. I still,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I still think when it comes to judiciary,

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Speaker 1: if you if you want an impartial judiciary, then you

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Speaker 1: have to raise the limits. You have to raise the

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Speaker 1: vote threshold to sixty, sixty six or seventy five. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know, essentially sixty votes two thirds or three quarters. Now,

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Speaker 1: some argue that that would just there would be gridlock

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Speaker 1: all the time. I disagree. I think you'd get a

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Speaker 1: different type of noominee. I just I do. For the

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Speaker 1: most part, you get those, you get those nominees. So,

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Speaker 1: but ultimately, what I find interesting about your email is

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Speaker 1: what you're really asking is, Hey, Congress, can you make

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Speaker 1: the legislative branch great again? And it's really what all

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02:03:19,240 --> 02:03:22,640
Speaker 1: of us are asking. Right, they have the authority on tariffs.

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02:03:22,680 --> 02:03:26,720
Speaker 1: They just need to to remind the executive branch on

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Speaker 1: that they have the authority to rescind these emergencies. They

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Speaker 1: have the authority to recind this nebulous, ambiguous aum F,

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Speaker 1: which allows for the use of military force to go

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Speaker 1: after designated terrorists whoever the President and the State Department

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Speaker 1: define as terrorists, and they've invented this narco terrorist category,

2286
02:03:56,560 --> 02:03:59,640
Speaker 1: which is really not an accepted category, and not quite Again,

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Speaker 1: I go to the only, the only directly narco terrorists

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Speaker 1: by by the definition that I think of terrorism, as

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02:04:08,640 --> 02:04:12,120
Speaker 1: was among the Taliban in Afghanistan who were using the

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Speaker 1: poppies and heroin essentially to fund to fund their extremism.

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Speaker 1: That's not what's happening here in Venezuela. But that's to me,

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Speaker 1: that's the question I really took away, which goddamn it, Congress,

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Speaker 1: do your fing job all right, Sorry, George, didn't mean

2294
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Speaker 1: to put add those flourishes in your voice. Last question

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Speaker 1: before I get to my top five list is Matthew

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Speaker 1: m He said, Hey, I'm concerned about Senator Morenos Bernie

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Speaker 1: marinos proposed Exclusive Citizenship Act and what it says about

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Speaker 1: Magus America. First mentality is a dual citizen of Luxembourg

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Speaker 1: in the US Army veteran. I find the implication implication

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Speaker 1: that dual citizens are less American to be offensive than

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Speaker 1: historically misguided, especially given how many Americans, including the first

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Speaker 1: Lady whold dual citizenship do you think this bill has

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Speaker 1: any legal traction or political upside, particularly in diverse states

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Speaker 1: like Florida and Texas. Thanks for every great work. So

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Speaker 1: you know, we've always had this weird relationship with dual says,

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Speaker 1: we don't. We've never I don't think the United States

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Speaker 1: ever recognized dual citizens. Other countries are the ones that

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Speaker 1: allow somebody to be a citizen of of their country

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Speaker 1: and as citizen in the United States. So and I

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Speaker 1: do think it would I don't think that. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that that would pass at all. I mean, because

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Speaker 1: of all the examples you cite, there's quite a few

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Speaker 1: members in the I think what is it isn't it

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Speaker 1: isn't the current the current head of the Center for

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Speaker 1: Medicare and Medicaid Services right CMS, doctor Oz, I believe

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Speaker 1: he's a dual citizen of Turkey and of the United States.

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Speaker 1: So the point is is that there's quite a few

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Speaker 1: people in power that have that. I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: I really don't think that's going anywhere. I understand why

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Speaker 1: why it offends you. I get it, but it is not,

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Speaker 1: like you know, it is not uncommon, especially ironically, especially

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Speaker 1: among some of the wealthier allies of the president. Many

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Speaker 1: of them have a second citizenship somewhere for tax purposes

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Speaker 1: and all sorts of things. So I doubt it, But

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to rule anything out that

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Speaker 1: suddenly gets traction. What does the how do the how

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Speaker 1: does the court? I'm pretty convinced they're not going to

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Speaker 1: somehow get, you know, grant Donald Trump the authority to

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Speaker 1: sort of negate birthright citizenship. It's in the constitution. But

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Speaker 1: if you told me they did a stricter definition of

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Speaker 1: what qualified as birthright citizenship, I don't want to rule

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Speaker 1: anything out. I don't think they will, but I think maybe,

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Speaker 1: you know, it feels like I don't think anything's a

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02:07:12,440 --> 02:07:15,320
Speaker 1: given anymore. And if something like that gets redefined, then

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Speaker 1: maybe something like this gets real traction. All right, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get to my top five.

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Speaker 2: List, to top five.

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Speaker 1: Top top My top five list is going to be

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Speaker 1: five bowl games that are not playoff games, the top

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02:07:42,640 --> 02:07:46,000
Speaker 1: five bowl games that, if we played them as the

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Speaker 1: first in the first two weeks of August next year,

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02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:53,480
Speaker 1: would be some of the most would be some of

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Speaker 1: the great games that the entire college football season could

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02:07:57,600 --> 02:08:01,440
Speaker 1: give us. Because I have a I have a proposal

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02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:04,800
Speaker 1: that I know I'm in the minority on with some

2346
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:08,800
Speaker 1: of my college football fanatic fellow fanatic friends. I've I've

2347
02:08:08,840 --> 02:08:10,640
Speaker 1: pitched this for a while. Some of you have heard

2348
02:08:10,640 --> 02:08:13,320
Speaker 1: me on my hobby horse before. But I think we're

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Speaker 1: at a moment where I think there's going to be

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02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:18,960
Speaker 1: there's going to be some openness to doing something different

2351
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:24,920
Speaker 1: with the non playoff connected college bowl games. And that is,

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02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, with the opt outs, with the transfer portal,

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02:08:27,680 --> 02:08:31,520
Speaker 1: with coaches taking other jobs, the number of teams that

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02:08:31,560 --> 02:08:34,920
Speaker 1: have opted out of these of these bowl contracts that

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Speaker 1: the Big twelve VCC. In fact, what is it, two

2356
02:08:37,600 --> 02:08:39,680
Speaker 1: teams opted out in the Big twelve and they were

2357
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:43,320
Speaker 1: fined because you know the money that the bull money

2358
02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:46,520
Speaker 1: is pooled, right usually you know, the team that earns

2359
02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:48,320
Speaker 1: the bull bid gets to keep you know, a big

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02:08:48,400 --> 02:08:50,240
Speaker 1: chunk of that money. But like it's like half goes

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02:08:50,240 --> 02:08:52,320
Speaker 1: to the school and half goes to the conference. So

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02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:55,000
Speaker 1: suddenly you know, this is denying everybody money. When you

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02:08:55,080 --> 02:08:57,000
Speaker 1: choose not to go to a bowl game. Notre Dame

2364
02:08:57,080 --> 02:09:00,280
Speaker 1: is not in a conference, although they selectively you want

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02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:02,840
Speaker 1: to be a member of the ACC when when, when

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02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:07,600
Speaker 1: it's convenient they suddenly felt as if the ACC were

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02:09:07,720 --> 02:09:11,160
Speaker 1: burning a bridge with them when they ACC promoted their

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02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:14,960
Speaker 1: football member over their non football member. I don't know

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02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:18,920
Speaker 1: what Notre Dame expected there. When you humiliate the ACC

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02:09:19,080 --> 02:09:21,760
Speaker 1: by refusing by sort of treating the ACC as a

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02:09:21,800 --> 02:09:25,200
Speaker 1: minor league scheduling assistant, which is what you've done for

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02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:28,440
Speaker 1: all your other sports, don't be shocked when the ACC

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02:09:28,520 --> 02:09:31,600
Speaker 1: isn't there to have your back in football. You want

2374
02:09:31,600 --> 02:09:34,760
Speaker 1: the ACC to have your back in football. Join full

2375
02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:38,880
Speaker 1: time rather than just using the ACC as a minor

2376
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:44,960
Speaker 1: league scheduling system. But the point is, I think by

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02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:48,120
Speaker 1: them pulling out of a bowl in some ways they could.

2378
02:09:48,200 --> 02:09:50,320
Speaker 1: This could It feels like this is the year the

2379
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:52,960
Speaker 1: death knell of the non playoff bowls. I don't want

2380
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:56,560
Speaker 1: to see these balls go away. I love the theory

2381
02:09:56,600 --> 02:09:59,840
Speaker 1: of these matchups. What I'd like is these matchups to

2382
02:09:59,880 --> 02:10:02,800
Speaker 1: me something. Well, you know, one hope I had a

2383
02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:04,840
Speaker 1: few years ago is that the advent of nil, that

2384
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:08,640
Speaker 1: you'd actually see bonus money being paid to players to

2385
02:10:08,680 --> 02:10:11,160
Speaker 1: play in a bowl game. Hey, if you play, here's

2386
02:10:11,160 --> 02:10:13,200
Speaker 1: an extra two hundred fifty thousand dollars. There's an extra

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02:10:13,240 --> 02:10:16,960
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars whatever, Right, if you agree to play

2388
02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:20,440
Speaker 1: in this meaningless bowl game, that that maybe would improve

2389
02:10:20,520 --> 02:10:22,920
Speaker 1: things Like I don't know this, but I'm guessing cam

2390
02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:25,200
Speaker 1: Ward got compensated for playing the first half of the

2391
02:10:25,200 --> 02:10:28,520
Speaker 1: Pop Darts bawl that you know, he got extra money somehow,

2392
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:32,040
Speaker 1: which is why I only played one half. Maybe it

2393
02:10:32,080 --> 02:10:34,040
Speaker 1: was part of the deal. I don't know anything, but

2394
02:10:34,080 --> 02:10:36,840
Speaker 1: it certainly that's what it smells like. Travis Hunter did

2395
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:39,280
Speaker 1: similar things. I mean, and by the way, it's an

2396
02:10:39,320 --> 02:10:43,360
Speaker 1: exhibition game. I mean, you know, the entire world of

2397
02:10:43,400 --> 02:10:47,040
Speaker 1: tennis operates on appearance fees, right, and in some ways

2398
02:10:47,200 --> 02:10:49,760
Speaker 1: it's a quote unquote appearance fee. But I don't think

2399
02:10:49,800 --> 02:10:52,480
Speaker 1: we want that. I think we want real competitive games.

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02:10:53,200 --> 02:10:55,520
Speaker 1: Here's what I'd like to see is you take all

2401
02:10:55,560 --> 02:10:59,680
Speaker 1: these incredible bowl matchups that we have and instead of

2402
02:10:59,720 --> 02:11:04,200
Speaker 1: having meaningless games that we Yes, it's nice to have

2403
02:11:04,240 --> 02:11:07,560
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday afternoon in the week between Christmas and

2404
02:11:07,600 --> 02:11:10,080
Speaker 1: the years, because it's nice to have something on the air.

2405
02:11:10,120 --> 02:11:13,200
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I will miss that when it's gone.

2406
02:11:14,720 --> 02:11:17,440
Speaker 1: Maybe we can move the FCF playoffs to the week,

2407
02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:19,040
Speaker 1: to the middle of the week and we can all

2408
02:11:19,120 --> 02:11:23,760
Speaker 1: start getting into South Dakota State. But I digress. I'd

2409
02:11:23,800 --> 02:11:27,320
Speaker 1: like to see essentially use the ball matchups that you have,

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02:11:27,480 --> 02:11:31,200
Speaker 1: but you'll play the following year. Now, I know I've

2411
02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:34,440
Speaker 1: pitched this around to various folks, and the pushback I've

2412
02:11:34,440 --> 02:11:37,200
Speaker 1: gotten is, well, what about the reward for a good season? Well,

2413
02:11:37,240 --> 02:11:39,000
Speaker 1: in this case, the playoff is the reward, and if

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02:11:39,000 --> 02:11:40,320
Speaker 1: you don't make the playoff, it doesn't feel like you

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02:11:40,360 --> 02:11:44,680
Speaker 1: had a good season. Well, the players that earn the

2416
02:11:44,680 --> 02:11:46,320
Speaker 1: good season won't be there to play. Well, a lot

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02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:50,880
Speaker 1: of them opt out anyway. So in the hot light

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Speaker 1: of that, here are the top five incredible games that

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02:11:55,120 --> 02:11:58,240
Speaker 1: would start in my By the way, if you earn

2420
02:11:58,280 --> 02:12:01,480
Speaker 1: a bull bid, then you get in an extra thirteenth game,

2421
02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:06,640
Speaker 1: and you get thirteen games to deliver on your resume

2422
02:12:06,720 --> 02:12:10,640
Speaker 1: for the playoff committee rather than twelve, which having an

2423
02:12:10,680 --> 02:12:14,400
Speaker 1: extra win could be a big deal, having an extra

2424
02:12:14,480 --> 02:12:19,640
Speaker 1: loss could be diluted. So I just think that there's

2425
02:12:21,120 --> 02:12:24,640
Speaker 1: and again, it'd be great if people showed up in Frisco,

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02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:28,120
Speaker 1: Texas in August. By the way, school hasn't started in

2427
02:12:28,160 --> 02:12:30,400
Speaker 1: a lot of the country. You could still have family trips,

2428
02:12:30,600 --> 02:12:34,200
Speaker 1: you could have more places hosting outdoor bowl games across

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02:12:34,240 --> 02:12:38,000
Speaker 1: the country rather just in the South or the Sunbelt. So,

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02:12:38,200 --> 02:12:42,840
Speaker 1: without further to doo, my top five games that we'd

2431
02:12:42,840 --> 02:12:47,280
Speaker 1: all be looking forward to in week zeros in the

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Speaker 1: first and by the way, college football would own the

2433
02:12:49,400 --> 02:12:51,960
Speaker 1: month of August. It would be theirs right now, they

2434
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:55,000
Speaker 1: own Labor Day weekend. That's good, own the entire month

2435
02:12:55,040 --> 02:12:59,040
Speaker 1: of August. Nobody will care about NFL preseason. You guys

2436
02:12:59,080 --> 02:13:01,320
Speaker 1: will step on all of that at Baseball is in

2437
02:13:01,360 --> 02:13:05,720
Speaker 1: a weird lull in that moment in time because of

2438
02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:08,720
Speaker 1: you know, before the Pennant race heats up in September.

2439
02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:12,880
Speaker 1: I think it would be good for the sport. And

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02:13:13,720 --> 02:13:18,640
Speaker 1: look at these matchups. Okay, Number one, how would you

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02:13:18,840 --> 02:13:25,800
Speaker 1: like for an opening week Bowl game in the cheese

2442
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:29,080
Speaker 1: at Citrus Bowl between the Texas Longhorns and the Michigan

2443
02:13:29,120 --> 02:13:32,120
Speaker 1: Wolverines Arch Manning and Bryce Underwood. Do we really think

2444
02:13:32,120 --> 02:13:34,640
Speaker 1: we're going to get the best versions of Arch Manning

2445
02:13:34,680 --> 02:13:38,240
Speaker 1: and Bryce Underwood in this matchup when they play? How

2446
02:13:38,280 --> 02:13:39,920
Speaker 1: many of the teams or are we going to have

2447
02:13:40,280 --> 02:13:43,960
Speaker 1: people that really care about winning this game come August

2448
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:46,520
Speaker 1: of next year? So that's number one? What a game.

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02:13:46,920 --> 02:13:51,520
Speaker 1: What a terrific game, all right, number two on my

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02:13:51,640 --> 02:13:56,280
Speaker 1: list of to me that would be the among the

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02:13:56,320 --> 02:13:58,720
Speaker 1: most watchable. This is a fun one and it's because

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02:13:58,880 --> 02:14:01,839
Speaker 1: it's my way of it what I call the Smart Bowl.

2453
02:14:02,160 --> 02:14:04,280
Speaker 1: It's what is going to be the pop Tarts Bowl

2454
02:14:04,280 --> 02:14:06,520
Speaker 1: this year, which should be BYU and Notre Dame, which,

2455
02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:09,200
Speaker 1: by the way, what an amazing Week one game that

2456
02:14:09,240 --> 02:14:14,040
Speaker 1: would be or Week zero game BYU and Notre Dame

2457
02:14:14,200 --> 02:14:18,120
Speaker 1: in the pop Tarts preseason Bowl. Right, it's a game

2458
02:14:18,160 --> 02:14:21,000
Speaker 1: that counts. You get all the pop Tart bs that

2459
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:24,480
Speaker 1: you can get your that your heart desires, and you'd

2460
02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:27,960
Speaker 1: get this great matchup of the Mormons and the Catholics. Okay,

2461
02:14:28,080 --> 02:14:30,440
Speaker 1: we could call it, you know, the super Holy War, right,

2462
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:34,600
Speaker 1: I know Utah and BYU already has the Holy War. Sorry, Lauren,

2463
02:14:34,640 --> 02:14:36,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to steal the great rivalry name there,

2464
02:14:37,440 --> 02:14:39,560
Speaker 1: but you could have call it the Crusades. I don't

2465
02:14:39,560 --> 02:14:43,240
Speaker 1: know if I've offended somebody. I wasn't intending to offend

2466
02:14:43,720 --> 02:14:48,360
Speaker 1: on that. But what a much better game going into

2467
02:14:48,360 --> 02:14:50,040
Speaker 1: the season. Now, let me give you my number three.

2468
02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:55,520
Speaker 1: How about a little Penn State Clemson and Yankee Stadium.

2469
02:14:55,680 --> 02:14:58,640
Speaker 1: How cool would that be in August rather than some

2470
02:14:58,760 --> 02:15:01,520
Speaker 1: frigid game that nobody cares about with the interim coach

2471
02:15:01,560 --> 02:15:05,520
Speaker 1: at Penn State. Right, But instead it's the debut of

2472
02:15:05,640 --> 02:15:09,280
Speaker 1: Matt Campbell's Penn State, Nitney Lyons playing Dabo Sweeney on

2473
02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:14,840
Speaker 1: the hot seat, and Clemson that's really interesting Unfortunately not

2474
02:15:15,120 --> 02:15:20,240
Speaker 1: an interesting bowl game. Let's see. So there's three, number

2475
02:15:20,280 --> 02:15:22,800
Speaker 1: four on my list at this point, I'm going to

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02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:28,160
Speaker 1: go with Arizona State and Duke. You'd have the party

2477
02:15:28,200 --> 02:15:31,480
Speaker 1: crashers from two years ago versus the near party crashers. Right,

2478
02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:34,720
Speaker 1: Arizona State wins, the Big twelve gets into the tournament,

2479
02:15:35,080 --> 02:15:37,880
Speaker 1: Duke wins. The ACC tried to talk its way into

2480
02:15:37,880 --> 02:15:40,600
Speaker 1: the tournament. But this would be an El Paso that

2481
02:15:41,160 --> 02:15:44,000
Speaker 1: one of my favorite bowl nicknames, the Tony the Tiger

2482
02:15:44,080 --> 02:15:47,840
Speaker 1: Sun Bowl. Give me some Arizona State and Duke then

2483
02:15:49,440 --> 02:15:52,240
Speaker 1: versus whatever middling game that no one's going to care

2484
02:15:52,280 --> 02:15:58,800
Speaker 1: about this year other than the fine folks that go

2485
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:02,080
Speaker 1: go to the game in El Passa and then fifth

2486
02:16:02,080 --> 02:16:04,280
Speaker 1: on my list. Number five on my list is simply

2487
02:16:04,280 --> 02:16:10,440
Speaker 1: because I think it would become a super popular bowl

2488
02:16:10,480 --> 02:16:13,680
Speaker 1: game in the preseason and a much more desirable bowl

2489
02:16:13,800 --> 02:16:17,200
Speaker 1: to make, and that is the Shared in Hawaii Bowl

2490
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:21,080
Speaker 1: between Cal and Hawaii. It's probably going to be the

2491
02:16:21,160 --> 02:16:23,920
Speaker 1: one of the more watchable bowl games in this exhibition

2492
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:26,800
Speaker 1: season that we're about to embark on. But imagine this

2493
02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:29,280
Speaker 1: is week zero, I'd be a little nervous with Cal

2494
02:16:29,320 --> 02:16:32,320
Speaker 1: as a member of the ACC, Tommy Chang's putting together

2495
02:16:32,480 --> 02:16:35,320
Speaker 1: bringing trying to make Hawaii football great again. I still

2496
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:38,200
Speaker 1: I have a memory of their incredible run that got

2497
02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:40,040
Speaker 1: into the Sugar Bowl one year, where they were just

2498
02:16:40,600 --> 02:16:43,480
Speaker 1: out playing out of their minds and such an exciting

2499
02:16:43,560 --> 02:16:46,160
Speaker 1: team to play. There was nothing like that run and

2500
02:16:46,200 --> 02:16:50,120
Speaker 1: gun team of Hawaii when your midnight nothing else is

2501
02:16:50,160 --> 02:16:52,360
Speaker 1: on and you're watching them win a game sixty five

2502
02:16:52,480 --> 02:16:55,959
Speaker 1: sixty four. Right. The point is all five of those

2503
02:16:56,000 --> 02:16:58,120
Speaker 1: Bowl games I told you nobody's going to give a

2504
02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:02,320
Speaker 1: darn about over the next four weeks. Everybody would be

2505
02:17:02,400 --> 02:17:04,680
Speaker 1: glued to any of those games if they were being

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02:17:04,720 --> 02:17:08,520
Speaker 1: played in the first two weeks of August Week thirteen. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Hey man, I'm just here to solve problems. That's what

2508
02:17:12,800 --> 02:17:14,960
Speaker 1: the Chuck Podcast is about. We're just trying to figure

2509
02:17:14,959 --> 02:17:17,240
Speaker 1: out how can we solve problems. So how do we

2510
02:17:17,240 --> 02:17:22,039
Speaker 1: solve polarization? How do we solve the bold mess? All

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Speaker 1: right with that, I'll see you in twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and until we upload again.