1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 2: And this is Sarah Hartunger. I'm a mother of three, 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: a practicing physician and blogger. On the side, we are 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: two working parents who love our careers and our families. 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: the most out of life. 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: This episode is first airing in late September of twenty 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,959 Speaker 1: twenty three. We're calling it our Fall Favorite Things. We 14 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: like alliteration around here, so we're just going to be 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: talking about a handful of things that we are enjoying 16 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: right now, even if you don't really get much fall 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: weather there, right Sarah, When does it actually start getting cooler? 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: It starts getting cooler. October is a little better than September, 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: and then November starts getting good, which is when best 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: laid plans live is. So I'm going to throw in 21 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: a little unplanned plug to say that actually, your chance 22 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: to sign up is going to be over in a 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 2: couple of weeks from when this airs, So if you're 24 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: interested in experiencing a Fort Lauderdale fall, then now is 25 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: the time. But yeah, it starts to get nice in November. Yeah, well, 26 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: we experienced a little early fall. As we're listing our 27 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: favorite things, we're recording this right after Labor Day. My 28 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: family just got back from a week long trip to Norway, 29 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: where it was definitely already feeling like fall to me, 30 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: and in fact, some of the leaves were changing When 31 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: we were biking through an alpine landscape, we got to 32 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: see some of the yellowing on the aspens and all that. 33 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: So it was really beautiful, and of course the weather 34 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: was cooler than it is in at least our parts 35 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: of the US. We came back to ninety degree weather here, 36 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: but it. 37 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: Was pretty much fifties and sixties there for the entire time, 38 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: which turned out to be slightly problematic for my boys. 39 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: You know, had all packed long pants that then didn't 40 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: fit them when we tried some of them on in Norway. 41 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: It turns out that if you haven't worn your jeans 42 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: since April and you grow at a pretty rapid pubertle rate, 43 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: rapid face, then your pants don't fit you when you 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: try them on. In late August early September, so you know, 45 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: there were some shorts wearing despite the cold, and everyone 46 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: went to Old Navy for an emergency back to school 47 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: shopping session on Labor Day. But be that as it way, Yeah, 48 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: Norway is great. 49 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: How did you pick? I want a little bit more 50 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 2: Norway detail? And when you were described if anybody could 51 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: see my face as she was describing her alpine bike ride, Oh, 52 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 2: it just sounds like it just sounds amazing. So tell 53 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: the listeners a little bit and tell me, like, why 54 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: did you pick Norway? And you know, would you recommend 55 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: it for families? 56 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: I absolutely would recommend it for families. I know there's 57 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: sort of this idea of like the Scandinavian like pair 58 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: for women and families, and in some ways it isn't. 59 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: But in some ways it truly is that they're very 60 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: family friendly. In Norway, people are not surprised to see 61 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: with multiple children in a way that I think some 62 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: other destinations might be. Like nobody bat it and I 63 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: have four children that I brought. I mean I didn't 64 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: go ahead and tell them I had another kid that 65 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: I didn't bring. But the Scandic hotels, for instance, you 66 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: can get a family suite which has room for six 67 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: people in it, you know, with bunk beds on the wall, 68 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: and like at museums for instance, often it's the case 69 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: that you know, the adult pays, but children are completely 70 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: free up to eighteen, not just like twelve as they 71 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: do some places. And you know, they're like stroller friendly stuff. 72 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: Everywhere. 73 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: We see a ton of babies. Even like a burger 74 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: king had a microwave so you could like heat your 75 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: baby's food while you were getting your other food for 76 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: other people who are older. I mean, they're just all 77 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: sorts of stuff like that. So if you are traveling 78 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: with a family, I can definitely recommend that as a destination. 79 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: It's probably a little bit more expensive than some of 80 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: the other places, and it's not on the euro I mean, 81 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: obviously it's probably correlated strongly with the Europe and the 82 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: Norwegian kroner is separate from that, and the exchange rate 83 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: goes up and down. It was better when we were there, 84 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: but sometimes it can be a little bit rough, but 85 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: it's just beautiful. Yeah, my husband lived there for five 86 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: years before we met, and so we'd gone there early 87 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: in our relationship twice and then hadn't been back, but 88 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: it was always on the list of places we wanted 89 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: to bring the kids. So we did this summer and had. 90 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: A lot of fun. 91 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: We did a little short Norwegian fjord cruise going up 92 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: in the north. We stayed at a couple of little 93 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: mountain huts that are summer you know, the ski lodge, 94 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: but it's in the summer and so you can bike 95 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: and hike and. 96 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: All that great stuff. 97 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: And you know, then saw Oslo of course, with the 98 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: Edward Mulk Museum and things like that. 99 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: I bet he has more than just the Scream to offer. 100 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: He does, in fact. 101 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: Have more than scram although it's just like it's like 102 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: the Louver people have been there, that people will race 103 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: through priceless treasures or whatever because they have to see 104 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: the Mona Lisa, right Like, you know, they're racing through 105 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: stuff that would be the highlight of any other museum 106 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: in order to get to this tiny painting of the 107 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: Mona Lisa and stand with a crowd to see it, 108 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: and then I guess get back on the tour bus. 109 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 2: And there's some. 110 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: Element of that with the Scream as well, and it's 111 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: almost kind of theatrical what they've done with it because 112 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: there are three versions, like there's a print, there's something else, 113 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: and then a color painting of it, and so they 114 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: rotate through every thirty minutes to avoid having the light 115 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: on any of them that long. And so like we 116 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: were there at eleven o'clock when one was closing and 117 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: the other was opening. 118 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: It was funny. 119 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: But there are vampire paintings. There's one overwhel monks had 120 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: all sorts of dark things he was into. 121 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 2: But yeah, it sounds like an amazing churn. And I 122 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 2: guess you did not bring your youngest as you just 123 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,559 Speaker 2: mentioned previously that you brought four out of five kids. 124 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: Did he have a wonderful time at home? And did 125 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: you feel like that was the right decision at this juncture. 126 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that was the right decision. It 127 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 1: was not stress free to travel with four older children, 128 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: but it was a lot less stressful to travel with them, 129 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,119 Speaker 1: and you had the possibility of actual downtime while people 130 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: were playing games on their devices or whatever they were 131 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: they're doing. And the places that we could get Wi Fi, 132 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: which most places you could get Wi Fi not universal. 133 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: There was some whining about that, and the three year 134 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: old was here and you know, well cared for, and 135 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: he did all sorts of amazing activities here, like going 136 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: to the Creola Experience, going to Chuck E Cheese, things 137 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: that he was going to enjoy a lot more than 138 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: the Monk Museum. Probably my older children might have enjoyed 139 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: Chuck E Cheese more than the Monk Museum too, but 140 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: they could put up with that to do other things. 141 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: And I mean he couldn't have gone biking, for instance. 142 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: He wouldn't have been great for hiking. You know, just 143 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: changed your trip. Even being on a cruise boat like 144 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: is angsty with a three year old than it is 145 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: with older children. No, I think it makes total sense. 146 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: I don't think he lost really anything by not going. 147 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: And I think your family, as cute as the pictures 148 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: would have been with all five, like, really got to 149 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: have some time together where you were actually able to be. 150 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: Completely present because you weren't as focused on the little one. 151 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: That's true. I mean travel does get easier as kids 152 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: get older, and I feel like we've got a pretty 153 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: good setup down, and I think you do too. As 154 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: you took your cruise to in Vancouver and Alaska and 155 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: all that, and you just get the suitcases for each kid. 156 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: They all have their travel backpacks. 157 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: I mean at this point, everyone's passports are valid for 158 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: at least another eighteen months, so we don't have to 159 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: do anything for a while. It's stuff like that, you 160 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: could you start to feel like, ooh, we actually can travel. 161 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: Yes, and now I'm like Norway at. 162 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: It to the list. Yeah, Scandinavia is great. Well you 163 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: go to Denmark and do the lego stuff there. 164 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: That would very true. 165 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, one of our favorite things is using that 166 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: last week of summer to do something like this, and 167 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: the travel the crowds tend to be less, so there's 168 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: more flights available places, you know, some places you're not 169 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: quite a peak season yet, so sometimes rates are going 170 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: down for things because a lot of schools do start 171 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: in August, so if yours don't until September, you can 172 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: have that time leading up to Labor Day and to 173 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: do other things. And you like to take your sort 174 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: of victory lap trip right before school. 175 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: Starts as well. I wish we had, you know, up 176 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: to Labor Day time, because honestly, the idea of like 177 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: going somewhere where it's already almost a little fall. Sounds 178 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: just so tantalizing that our school calendar starts well before that, 179 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: and I don't think that is ever going to change 180 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 2: unless we're in a different state. But yes, I feel 181 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 2: like to psychologically, and I've even already earmarked next year's trip, 182 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: like I just like to go towards the end of 183 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 2: the summer on our big family trip to have that 184 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: to look forward to to kind of anchor the summer. 185 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 2: And it just sort of like by that point, kids 186 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: are tired camp and it's just a nice fun palette 187 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 2: cleanser before school starts. So I'm with you. I just 188 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: I wish we could take advantage of being a little 189 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: bit later in the season, but that's not how the 190 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: school calendar works here. And pet Peeve like, I feel like, 191 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: why can't they announce, Like I'm already thinking about next summer, 192 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: as one does, especially when you have a larger family 193 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: and you want to like look at all the places 194 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: to stay, But I can't. I actually don't know when 195 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: school's going to start, and both the public and the 196 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 2: private don't announce until like December January for the twenty 197 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty twenty five year, like there's this 198 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: whole vote in our county and then I think usually 199 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: the privates kind of go off of what the public does. 200 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, I won't know for a while. It's kind 201 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: of annoying. Oh that's interesting. 202 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: I always thought it was part of like the collective 203 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: bargaining agreement that they would get it earlier for like 204 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: that they set the dates for the upcoming year far 205 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: ahead of it. 206 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: But no, interesting, who knew? 207 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, no, I mean it's good to take that time, 208 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: and you know, look back over past August, we can 209 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: say that both of us have kind of used that 210 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: last week before schools start for that sort of thing. 211 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: And you know, we had obviously this huge time change 212 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: in jet lag, but the direction we were coming, flying 213 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: west is not as bad for that because people just 214 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: wake up early, like they get tired early, and they 215 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: wake up early. And so we made it through the 216 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: first that we came back Sunday and school started Tuesday, 217 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: Like people were just very tired, but we stayed up 218 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: till nine or ten at night on Sunday, and then 219 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 1: people some people woke up at four am, but most 220 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: people made it till at least six. And then the 221 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: next night you know, people are tired again at nine 222 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: out of ten, which is what they should be for 223 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: a school thing. And we didn't have trouble getting people 224 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: out of bed on the school morning because. 225 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: You know, they were jetlagged, and that's the time where 226 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: you went the right direction because also you end up 227 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: on kind of a later vacation schedule, as we absolutely do. 228 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I joked that we were ended up like 229 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: seven hours ahead instead of three hours ahead because my 230 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: kids were sleeping until like ten am Pacific time, and 231 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: it's like, well, that is so far from where we 232 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: needed to be when we came back. 233 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, that direction is harder. So one way 234 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: to put a shout out for if you are American 235 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 1: going to Europe, and I guess if you're European you 236 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: could go to Asia or something. 237 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: I don't know how that all works to and you can. 238 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: Creation you go to the west coast the US make it. 239 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: Then there's the dateline in there, so I'm not quite 240 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: sure how that works out. But yeah, so that was 241 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: a favorite thing. I guess we'll go ahead and keep 242 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: going with our list. You are getting really into your 243 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: library holds as usual. 244 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: Yes, well this was prompted by yours, which we'll get 245 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: to in a second. But I am still in like 246 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: major team physical book. I get them mostly from the library, 247 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: although kind of a recent fun family outing has been 248 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: to go to the bookstore because I will admit, my 249 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: kids are more likely to be excited about reading when 250 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: it's some shiny new book that they've picked up at 251 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 2: the bookstore. We don't have a like small indie cool 252 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: bookstore nearby. We do have a Barnes and Noble that 253 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: has Hoppen, and I got to say, like that place 254 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: kind of does a good job. Like they have you know, 255 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: great displays out, they have a lovely stationary section. They 256 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: have like a few toys, but it's not like an 257 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 2: overwhelming horrible amount of toys. So Genevieve is always excited 258 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 2: to go to and I will say it's kind of 259 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: become one of my favorite like not bribe the kids 260 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: to get to read, but you know, incentivize them to 261 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: read by saying, let's go pick out something new. Plus 262 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: this time I told them, Okay, pick out something new, 263 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: and we'll take some pictures of some other books and 264 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: we'll put them on your library holes, Liss and then 265 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: that way we can kind of stretch things a little farther. 266 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, best of both worlds there, right, get the range 267 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: of titles that a commercial bookstore has, and then also 268 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: save the money that the library helps you to do, 269 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: and then not have all the clutter in your house 270 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: as well when the kid has read through the book 271 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: in ninety minutes, yes, which can happen sometimes. Yeah, I 272 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: think it's funny, like back in the sleep what was 273 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: it sleepless in Seattle day? Like the major bookstore chains 274 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: were evil, and of course now there's Amazon, and so 275 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: they're people are almost willing to treat the physical bookstores 276 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: as being more like the indies or in the past. 277 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: It's it's funny how these things have changed over time. 278 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 1: Although speaking of Amazon, I would say my favorite thing 279 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: here is that if you do read a lot of 280 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: kindle books, which I do, you can get a free sample. 281 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: Like Amazon lets you get a free sample of almost 282 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: any kindle book, and usually it's about ten to fifteen 283 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: percent of the book. I mean, so it's a pretty 284 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: substantial amount of it, which means that it's enough for 285 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: you to tell if you're going to like the book. 286 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: And I have been in the past. 287 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: I've been sometimes I've been like, oh, I know I'm 288 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: going to like this book, and I order it, and 289 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: then something happens that there's like, you know, they're not 290 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: that I'm really into trigger warnings or something, but there's 291 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: something that just triggers me in the first chapter and 292 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not going to read this book, Like I. 293 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: Am not going to read this book. 294 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: And so then I'm like, well, I've just wasted the 295 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: money I'm buying this book. And I guess it's not clutter, 296 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: but it's still there. And so now I almost always 297 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: do the sample first, and if I like the book 298 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: in the first ten to fifteen percent, I will definitely 299 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: buy it. I buy most of them right that I 300 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: get the sample from. But then if there is something 301 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: that I'm just like, you've got to be kidding me, 302 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: I don't buy it and I don't feel bad and 303 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: we move on. 304 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 2: Or if there's just boring or if you're like this 305 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 2: is a chore, I don't I'm not having fun with this. 306 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's boring, or there's something like ridiculous in the 307 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: first yeah ten to fifteen percent. Because it turns out 308 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: that most authors go as they go. They're going to 309 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: write the rest of the book exactly as they wrote 310 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: the first ten to fifteen percent of the book. So 311 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: you're not going to hate the book as a result 312 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: of something that happened around seventy five percent of the 313 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: way and most of the time it's going to be 314 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: revealed to you in the first ten to fifteen percent. 315 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: So throw that out there is something a little tip 316 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: for people if you read all at those All, right, Well, 317 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: we're going to take a little ad break and we 318 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: will be back in a few minutes with more of 319 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: our full favorite things. Well, we are back talking our 320 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: fall favorite things. So Fall is always about special be ridges. 321 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: Probably a lot of our listeners are in camp PSL 322 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: or maybe not. But Sarah, what is your fall favorite 323 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: beverage which is not PSL? 324 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: My fall favorite beverages are like as far from Fall 325 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: as it gets. I guess I will say I do 326 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: enjoy oat milk cappuccinos from Starbucks, but I'm not a 327 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: big PSL fan because I think it tastes really really 328 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: sweet and kind of weird. But if you love them, 329 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: that's awesome. And my fall beverages right now are trying 330 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 2: to find some magical electrolyte containing beverage that will magically 331 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: help with my migraines, which may be a little bit 332 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: of a pipe dream, but we'll get into it. I'm 333 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: taking this, and this is actually relevant to two bullet 334 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: points here, but I'm taking the Marathon Training nutrition course 335 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: with Megan Featherston, who was a guest on this podcast. 336 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: This is a non sponsored mention. I am paying for 337 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: her course like a regular participant, and it's been useful. 338 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: And I actually asked a question in the group, is 339 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: there any magical thing that helps with hydration if you 340 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: suffer migraines? And they recommended Element LMNT, which is like 341 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: a super salty sports drink. It doesn't have any carbohydrate, 342 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: but it's like beyond salty. And I tried it. I 343 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: did have to kind of like dilute it because I 344 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: full strength I could not deal. But I did not 345 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: get a migraine and I had a pretty long run, 346 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: So I mean, I don't know. Maybe it is magic. 347 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna wipe them all away, but 348 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: if it's one factor that helps, then it may be 349 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: worth trying. So had it yesterday and had it today, 350 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: and I may keep having it if I keep not 351 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: having migraines. 352 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: Because you're you're like ten mile plus runs are triggering 353 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: that for you. 354 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: That's like a even just they can be shorter, but 355 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: it tends to be like runs that are more intense 356 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: or longer. But I think it's like some of it's 357 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: like the dehydration and the overheating factor, and maybe if 358 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: the dehydration is part of it and the salty stuff 359 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: kind of helps you keep more of your blood volume 360 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: within your blood vessels, then. 361 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: Great, great, well sounds good. We'll hope that keeps working. 362 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: I'm going to do. 363 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: My favorite thing is a Starbucks drink. It is the 364 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: Strawberry Asi Lemonade Refresher, which is I guess more of 365 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: a summer drink, but they carry it year round, and 366 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: Jasper really got me into these over the past year. 367 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: But now we have them like two. 368 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: To three times a week, and so it's become a 369 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: pretty common beverage for me. He and I both get 370 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: the Vinti size with light ice, asking for light ice 371 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: so you get a little bit more of the juice 372 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: in there. Sometimes he gets other things with the Dragon 373 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: drink or any other of that, but I'm pretty hooked 374 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: on the Strawberry Asi ones. 375 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 2: It's a good thing. 376 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: I like to have it in the afternoon makes me 377 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: feel a little bit more hydrated, and I think it 378 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: may be lightly caffeinated, it turns out, and so I'm 379 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: sure that helps with the hook like, ooh, I think 380 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: I'd like that. It's not that I'm having an extra 381 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: cup of coffee, even if I sort of kind of am. 382 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, I really have gotten into those. And turns 383 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: out you can order head on the app and go 384 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: pick it up and that makes it less of the 385 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: app thing. The Starbucks that we go to frequently has 386 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: a really terrible, terrible parking lot, so spending as little 387 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: time in that parking lot as possible. It really helps 388 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: to go with two people because then you don't have 389 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: to park legally like you have a driver with you, right, 390 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: because they can circle around, or you can circle, or 391 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: you could park somewhere that you can't really park, but 392 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: there's somebody there. 393 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 2: You could move it if you had to. 394 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, you don't want to go there solo because 395 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: you'll never find a spot and you'll ever be able 396 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: to pull out. So it's all good anyway. The strawberry 397 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: size is still good, mostly worth it. I also like 398 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: Blueberry sodas, though I'll throw that out if anyone likes 399 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: Main Root soda. It's like a small brand out of Maine. 400 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: I think Whole Foods may carry them. Sometimes you can 401 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: order them through Amazon, although they're kind of expensive. They 402 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: cost just as much through there as they would if 403 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: you got them as a fountain drink in the stores. 404 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: So they sell them at Cousins Main Lobster, which is 405 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: also a win for me, but in the food trucks 406 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: or in their restaurants, and I always love getting those. 407 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 2: How is Cousin's Main Lobster because I've never seen a 408 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: truck with that on it, So they I think mostly 409 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 2: on the East Coast. 410 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: There's you have to track them down like, and they're 411 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: loyal people who do. But there's a truck that comes 412 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: to our area about once every two weeks, like to 413 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: a mall that's near us, so we'll go on occasion. 414 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: And then that is sort of a beach treat as well, 415 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: because there is an actual physical restaurant, Cousins Main Lobster 416 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: Restaurant on the Asbury Park boardwalk. So when we go 417 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: to Ocean Grove, we go there a couple times. I 418 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: think we went three times while we were there for 419 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: two weeks. So yeah, but you do not have to 420 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: be in Maine. No, you do not have to be 421 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: in Maine. And actually I don't know if there really 422 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: are that many in Maine because in Main there are 423 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: a ton of lobster shacks right where they sell lobster rolls, 424 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: and so they would be competing with all these tiny places. 425 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: And whereas if you are in suburban Pennsylvania, you don't 426 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: have a lobster shack around the corner every where, and 427 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: so this is your equivalent, and so they could brand 428 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: it and make different outposts various place. 429 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna seek this out next time I'm up 430 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 2: north or see if they have any Southern I love 431 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: lobster roles. They're so good, but you don't only get 432 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: them done here. 433 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, although there is, I mean there's Caribbean lobster. 434 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: It's just a little different. I guess it doesn't do 435 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: people don't do it with the mayonnaise and stuff anyway. Correct, 436 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: speaking of lobster, which is a protein, So you are 437 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: into protein, I guess far too. 438 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: I don't think I'm the only one. Well, we both 439 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 2: read Peter Attia's outlive and it was an interesting book. 440 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: I probably with a little bit of distance. I'm like, 441 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: you know, I see a lot of benefits to the 442 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: stuff he says, and then there are some limitations as well. However, 443 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: one of the takeaways that I felt he did sell really, 444 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: really well was that it helps to get a good 445 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: amount of protein to just function optimally maintain muscle mass. 446 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: I'm being much more vague than he was in his 447 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: but I guess I will just say I came away 448 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: fairly convinced or at least convinced that it wouldn't be 449 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: a harmful. 450 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: Thing to do. 451 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 2: Plus, I was really struggling with just being like obscenely 452 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: hungry with my marathon training, and it turns out once 453 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 2: I actually focused on eating more protein, the satiety of 454 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 2: what I was eating really improved a lot. And so 455 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: I'm just team protein. Like I've never looked at labels 456 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 2: in my life to be like how many grams is 457 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 2: that or whatever, But now I'm like conscious of trying 458 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: to get like at least twenty to thirty grams in 459 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 2: most of my meals. And so it turns out you 460 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: have to like be intent You're not going to accidently 461 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: do that I guess unless you're like a crazy carnivore 462 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: and eat like a lot of meat for every meal. 463 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, I told Josh, I was like, I feel 464 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: like I've crossed a chasm of people who buy protein 465 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: powder versus people who don't. Like this weekend like I bought, 466 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 2: you crossed the chasm. 467 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: You became one of the Like, I don't know whether 468 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: the tech pros buying their protein powder that. 469 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: They basically And I even made peanut butter protein balls 470 00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 2: from this random recipe. 471 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: I found one and they were really really good. So 472 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: I'll have to try those out into protein maybe make 473 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: some of those. Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to eat 474 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: eggs for breakfast. Other than that, I don't know if 475 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: I'm gonna but maybe I should be thinking more about 476 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: protein that would probably be good for me. 477 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 2: Eggs are good. I like eggs more. I don't know 478 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: if you're can have way protein or not with the dough. Yeah, 479 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: that's that's the experiment, you know. 480 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, well, I really I realized I will 481 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: occasionally have dairy if it's something that's really truly worth it, 482 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: and then some you just pay the piper afterwards, you know. 483 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: I when we went to our favorite ice cream parlor 484 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: days in Ocean Grove. I was like, Okay, the oat 485 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: milk ice cream is just making me sad, so I'm 486 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: going to try the chocolate peanut butter real ice cream. 487 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: I'll get the short shot and just you know, see 488 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: how it goes. And the first night I hadn't wasn't 489 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: that bad. I was like, then, you know, I didn't 490 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: feel terrible, so I was like, oh, you know, maybe 491 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: my medication means I won't have to worry about this. 492 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: This is awesome. So I was like, I had another 493 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 2: one and then I was. 494 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: Like, oh, two nights in a row was a bad idea. 495 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: It was a really really bad idea. 496 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: So now I know. 497 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: I mean it's very limited. So as like I said, 498 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: I have the lobster roll with a tiny like bit 499 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: of I'm sure they put a little bit of butter 500 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: on the roll itself. It's mostly manniseed based in the sandwich, 501 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: but you know, I just try to keep as little 502 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: as possible. And way protein powder does not sound worth it. 503 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: Right, I just don't know, since it's just that one 504 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 2: extracted part of the dairy, if it would that's true. 505 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: Trigger you were not so that, Yeah, like, would goat 506 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: cheese be better or whatever? Oh, there you go. 507 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: We'll see anyway. 508 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: So one another favorite thing early morning shopping. So we'll 509 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: throw this out there as a strategy for anyone who 510 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: hates being in crowded stores, wants to get in get out, 511 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: and you know you're not doing delivery for whatever reason. 512 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: So I went to Target at eight am on Labor 513 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 1: Day because I was jet lagged and up and hadn't 514 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: gotten Alex's school supplies yet. And the store was empty. 515 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: I mean, they're literally the ratio of workers to people 516 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: shopping was like three to one at that point, and 517 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: so it was it was a lovely experience, you know, 518 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: that just had the store to myself. And I've had 519 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: that at Wagman's, which is a I think ours is 520 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: opened twenty four hours, or if it's not open twenty 521 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: four hours, it opens at like five am or something 522 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: ridiculous like that. 523 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: And one night I was up really early. 524 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: Because of a kid, and so I was like, I'm 525 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: just gonna go do our grocery shopping now, and we 526 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: do your grocery shopping at five thirty six am. Again, 527 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: nobody there. You need something, There's plenty of people to 528 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: help because that's when they're stocking shelves. So yeah, it's 529 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: pretty blissful to stop shopping in an empty store. 530 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: It really is. And even honestly, like nine nine to 531 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 2: thirty could be a million times better than afternoon I took. 532 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: I also did a Labor day shopping trip fairly early 533 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: yesterday with two kids, and it was like, chill, It's easy. Chill. 534 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: Chill shopping is always good as opposed to non chill shopping. 535 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: Although the problem of doing you know, if it's like 536 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: the first part of your work day shopping and then 537 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: just like you might need a break in the afternoon, 538 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: it's better to do it as a break in the 539 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: afternoon versus the productive time. You know, there's always a 540 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: trade off. But speaking of trade offs, are actually trading in. 541 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: Another favorite thing for me is the Toyota Sienna minivan. 542 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: We bought our first one in twenty fourteen. It has 543 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: had the normal wear and tear. It's almost one hundred 544 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: twenty thousand miles now and we were looking to get 545 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: a new one. But as longtime listeners know, this has 546 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: been a not terribly fruitful pursuit over the past almost 547 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: two years eighteen months here is that Toyota had massive 548 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: supply chain issues or I don't know, they decided to 549 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: purposely make them rare, like shop I mean, like purses 550 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: or something. I don't know, designer persons that they only 551 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: make a few and so everybody wants them. And they've 552 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: done that with Toyota Santamnavans. Who knows you could not 553 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: get one like you could not get one for a 554 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: period if at least a year, and then they were 555 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: charging massive markups over the price, the list price. That 556 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: has started to come down, and we finally decided it 557 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: was low enough that we could make the leap and 558 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: so we bought one. We will get it in October 559 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: early November. So very exciting to have a brand new 560 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: minivan that hopefully will not trash in the first week. 561 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 2: Very very exciting. 562 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: It's the minivan that has all wheel drive. So in 563 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: case anyone's wondering, like, why do you care so much 564 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: about the stand, it's because it's got all wheel drive 565 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: and some other things like that that make it. 566 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: We couldn't not have all wheel drive. We live up 567 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 2: a big hill and you can't get up it WITHOUTCV characteristics. 568 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 2: But minivan into minivan that's nice. So yeah, that's why 569 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: we wanted one one. Now we're going to get one 570 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 2: very Toyota can feel free to sponsor us because that's 571 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: all we have at our house and we like them. All. 572 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: Toyota podcast here all right, Scanning stuff, scanning stuff, scanning stuff. 573 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 2: I'm so excited that you finally that you like discovered this, 574 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: because tell our listeners about it. Yes. So, I've long 575 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 2: used it like a scanning app to scan documents and 576 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: then I would like put them in Apple Notes. But now, 577 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 2: like in the last year or so, Apple Notes introduced 578 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 2: a feature where you can scan it directly into Apple Notes. 579 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: Like you just click on the little I don't know, 580 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: like take image or whatever, and then you just scan 581 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: it and it works really really well, and then you 582 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: can forward it to whoever you want. You can air 583 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 2: drop it, you can just keep it in there, you 584 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: can email it to somebody for school. So it is 585 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 2: so useful to do this with like school health forms 586 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: or I don't know, anything that needs to be turned 587 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 2: in but that you might want to copy of, I 588 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: you know, like anything. Really, I wish I should tell 589 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: all of my patients that always lose all their like 590 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: lab orders and X ray orders. 591 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: To like scan it right now while you're here. 592 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: Yes, I'll show you how to do it. So just 593 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: incredibly useful. Of course you could always have taken a 594 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 2: picture before, but the scanning works better. It turns it 595 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: into a PDF. It kind of fixes the shape so 596 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 2: it looks good. And if you haven't tried it, yeah, 597 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 2: recommend it. I would say. 598 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: The one downside, if you have certain formats of overhead 599 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: lighting in your room, occasionally you get the shadow of 600 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: your phone as you are scanning the documents, so you 601 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: might want to experiment with different locations, like if you're 602 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: doing this often in your home office, for instance, perhaps 603 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: there are certain corners where you are less likely to 604 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: get the shadow of your phone on the PDF when 605 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: you are scanning it, because that's not something that would 606 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: happen if you're using a real scanner, you know, loading 607 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: it onto it, which is what I had to do, 608 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: Like every time somebody had a permission form that I 609 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: then had to email back or I would you know, 610 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: I would print it, I would sign it, I would 611 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: scan it on the scanner on my printer onto a 612 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: USB stick. I would put the USB stick into my laptop, 613 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: open it up, then email it as an attachment to somebody. 614 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: It's just so many more steps. 615 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: It was just a pain, and this is like, you know, 616 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: I still I print it. It's better if people are 617 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: doing like docu sign type things, but if they haven't 618 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: gotten to that point yet, then you just print it, 619 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: sign it, do the scan on your phone. It's there, 620 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: so you can just email it directly back to somebody 621 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: who's probably in your contact list if you're talking like 622 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: your kid's teacher or whatever, and it's done. It takes 623 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: you know, half the time and feels a lot easier. 624 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: So in case there is anyone listening, maybe even ninety 625 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: nine out of one hundred people listening to this podcast 626 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: already knew about this. But if you didn't like this 627 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: is probably the most useful podcast you will have heard 628 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: in the last month. 629 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: So please you can also use it for like editing. 630 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 2: So I had to, like I wanted to revamp the 631 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: workbook and the course book for Besily Plan's Academy. And 632 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: it wasn't every page that needed something, but I just 633 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: literally handwrote it and every time I made a change, 634 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: scanned it, and then I was able to just bulk 635 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: email them all to the person who makes them pretty 636 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: so it was very easy. 637 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, speaking of bulk messaging, your tech current favorite thing, 638 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: my tech current thing. Uh oh give me, I'm trying 639 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: to do transitions here. 640 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: Sorry, that's a good transition. I thought you were talking 641 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: about the thing above that thing, and I was like, okay, 642 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 2: it does hold get there, We'll get there. But yes, 643 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 2: my fall app of choice. And when you mentioned the 644 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: scanner is I think What's Up is just a very 645 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: like Yes, it is owned by Meta, Yes they may 646 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 2: do stuff with your data, but it is such a 647 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 2: streamlined app for group chatting and I just love that 648 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: it doesn't unlike Facebook, Instagram, there's really not a lot 649 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 2: of dopamine happening and WhatsApp because there's no suggested anything. 650 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 2: It's just the threads that you're subscribed to. There are 651 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: no ads, there's no What's Up stars like trying to 652 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 2: try to make it on What's Up and you know 653 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 2: this isn't up to me. But just like coincidentally, our 654 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 2: school uses it, so like every single classroom there's a thread. 655 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: Cameron's soccer team uses it, which is great because that's 656 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 2: like one of our most frequented like kind of last 657 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: minute changes type of thing and the coach and the 658 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 2: parent manager can always just like reach everyone that way. 659 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 2: I've now started using it for some of my like 660 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: group things and it's just I use for my book club, 661 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 2: Like it's just so easy. So I'm worried that something 662 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: could happen to it because I googled, like, how does 663 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 2: What's Up make any money? Apparently it's like there's a 664 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: business integration and payments and stuff, and I don't use 665 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: any of those features, but I guess that's how they 666 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 2: stay afloat. But regardless, right now it's I find it 667 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: very useful and streamlined and easy. Yeah, well there you go. 668 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm using it for Sarah's best liked Plans Live. 669 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: She's had us create a little group there, and I 670 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: use it for a few other things and totally seems good. 671 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: It's you know, the group chat, but without I don't know, 672 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: you can always just group chat some people from your phone, 673 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: but I think it makes it easier for certain. 674 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 2: Easier, especially if you have a mixed bag of Android 675 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: and iPhone users, because like, when stuff goes green, it's 676 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: just and my husband is green, like he's Android, Like 677 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: it just it never works great, never work. That is 678 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 2: so bizarre. 679 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: Why can't these things play together? I don't know anyway. 680 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: Final favorite thing for me is fall. This is airing 681 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: in late September, which is not fully fall here, like 682 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: really the peak leaves as mid to late October, but 683 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: it's definitely you start feeling a little bit of Christmas 684 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: in the morning and some of the leaves are changing 685 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: a bit on the edge, and it's always just exciting 686 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: to me. I love that change of seasons. One of 687 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: the reasons we often go someplace sort of northern or 688 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: mountainous in that last week of August into September is 689 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: I like getting a little glimpse of the beginning of 690 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: fall that we did in Norway with the yellowing aspens 691 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: on our mountain bike ride. But we've definitely gone places 692 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: like you know, Yellowstone or Yosemite, which also starts to 693 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: get in our harbor Maine two years ago, and there 694 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: was a little bit of change underfoot in Acadia National 695 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: Park and it's just I love. 696 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 2: That changing of seasons. 697 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: Is one of the upsides of living in a place 698 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: with four seasons is that you feel that sense of 699 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: momentum and change as time goes on, and if you 700 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: go outside a lot and your backyard. Even you'll start 701 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: to see things like that, and it's really I find 702 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: that just I would have a hard time I think 703 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: living somewhere that didn't have seasons, even though winter is 704 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: always no fun whatsoever. 705 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: No, I agree, I miss them. I have to use 706 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: things like external cues like my phone background to like 707 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 2: remember where we are in the year, as crazy as 708 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: that sounds, and like it's not quite the same if 709 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: you have seasons, be grateful, yeah, yeah, tell yourself that 710 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: at least while you're shoveling snow. 711 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: And finally, Sarah, you have one with that's more of 712 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: a fashion one. 713 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's fashion or non fashion, but 714 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 2: it's like the most basic accessory known to momhood right now, 715 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 2: which is like the hands free like wastebag. Of course, 716 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 2: extra points if it's like Lula lemon and a neutral 717 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 2: color and mine checks every single one of those boxes. 718 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 2: But being hands free is amazing. I mean it's amazing 719 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: at the grocery store, is amazing, going to soccer, like 720 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 2: especially because I have to carry the giant chair, which 721 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 2: is like another quasi favorite thing, like having my keys, 722 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 2: my phone and like a couple of credit cards just 723 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 2: attached to me without anything swinging for my arms. I mean, 724 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: it's great, it's great. 725 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: You feel free and all you need is like the 726 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: kissick shoes that you don't have to tie, and it's 727 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: like you have complete and total I know, you never 728 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: even have to like bend over or anything. 729 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 2: I feel like I wear birkenstocks most of the time, 730 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 2: so that, yeah, that's true. I guess you're in the 731 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 2: land of sandals, so that's not a thing. 732 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: But I have increasing number of my children in those 733 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: Kizzic shoes because that you could just slide them on 734 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: and then there's less of an issue of people being 735 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: late because they're tying shoes or have knots in their 736 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: shoelaces and you don't have to tie them for anyone 737 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: if they forgot how to tie overnight or they I 738 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: can't get it anyway. 739 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 2: That's something we like as well. 740 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: All right, Well, so bringing us to the question part 741 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: of this, This is actually a question posed in our 742 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: Patreon group, which if you're new around here, we have 743 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: a Patreon community, the best of both worlds Patreon community 744 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: that we'd love to have you join with. 745 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: We have ongoing discussion. 746 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: We have about three discussion threads every week that people 747 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: chime in with various career advice or how they're managing 748 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: family schedules, all sorts of perennial best of both worlds topics. 749 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: And because it's you know, a fairly private group. I mean, 750 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: anyone who's listening can join. But it's not just out 751 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: on the internet, not just out on social media where 752 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: you're getting ads for everything. I think there's a lot 753 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: of generosity and sharing. So please come join us. We'd 754 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: love to have you anyway. One of the questions we 755 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: discussed there recently was is there an off ramp to outsourcing? 756 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 1: So when we have young kids, many of us wind 757 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: up having a lot of time saving services because we're 758 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: just short on time as we're working and spending time 759 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: with young kids, dealing with their needs, trying to have 760 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: some semblance of personal life, plus sleep as well. So 761 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 1: you know, people getting stuff delivered, the cleaning service, obviously, 762 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: extra childcare at various points. Is there an off ramp 763 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 1: to it? This person was wondering as her kids got older, 764 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: was there a point where she would meet less of that? So, Sarah, 765 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: what are you thinking? Yeah, it was a great discussion. 766 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: I mean, people had different thoughts about different things. I 767 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 1: can see off ramps to some things and then others. 768 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: It's like very unclear and blurry to me, and there's 769 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: like a lot of variables, so I guess I just 770 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: can't see it as much from this juncture. 771 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 2: The things that I could think of that feel like 772 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 2: they have some kind of an expiration date are date night, babysitting. 773 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 2: I mean, we still get a babysitter, but I'm like 774 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 2: Annabel's looking closer and closer to the age of the 775 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 2: babysitter and at some point, like I think they would 776 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 2: be okay, especially if it was a time limited amount 777 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 2: of time. The upside of the babysitter is generally they 778 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 2: can get them all to go to bed, but I 779 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 2: mean maybe that with the right incentive, maybe they would 780 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 2: put themselves to bed. We'll see. So that I can 781 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: see an expiration date too, not tomorrow, but like probably 782 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 2: within the next two years. We've got laundry and making lunches. 783 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 2: I feel like at some point the kids will be 784 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 2: able to do some of that, particularly the lunches. Even 785 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 2: though I know I'm not as much of a stickler 786 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 2: for any age caught off as Laura is. I you 787 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 2: know Annabel does it without any problem, and I think 788 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 2: Cameron probably could start doing it soon. And then there's 789 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 2: things that like could have an off ramp maybe, but 790 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 2: like cleaning, like heavy duty cleaning, which we only we 791 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 2: have somebody come twice a month for that. I feel 792 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 2: that as long as I am working full time, I 793 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,240 Speaker 2: plan to outsource that. I think if there ever becomes 794 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 2: a time in my life that I'm like semi retired 795 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 2: and I don't have kids in the house, then I 796 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't mind doing some of that like myself or like 797 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 2: figuring out you know whatever. But right now, I think, 798 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 2: as long as I'm working full time hours, that's not 799 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 2: what I want to be spending my time doing. And 800 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 2: then the thing that I really don't see a great 801 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 2: off ramp for is the like having another person in 802 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 2: the afternoons and helping with activity, driving and such, just 803 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 2: because again, like I have too many kids going in 804 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 2: too many different directions. I don't want them not to 805 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,439 Speaker 2: do things because I can't drive them and I don't 806 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,240 Speaker 2: have a reliable second driver, not because he's not reliable, 807 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 2: but because like this week, he's on call Tuesday and Thursday, 808 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 2: and that means he could come home anytime or not. 809 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 2: And if I have like a kid that finishes ballet 810 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 2: on one side of town and soccer on the other 811 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 2: side of town at the same time, like, it just 812 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 2: doesn't work. So unless our circumstances were to change, like 813 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 2: if the kids were at a school where all their 814 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 2: activities were based there or some I don't know, then 815 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 2: I don't see an end in sight for that portion. 816 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people were saying that the occasional babysitting, 817 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: certainly even needing after school care for people, at some 818 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: point that might end. Now again, if you have a 819 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: lot of driving, that's a different matter. But you know 820 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: kids will be sixteen at some point. You might have 821 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: years where at least an older child could help with 822 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,919 Speaker 1: younger children. And certainly you don't need a sitter for 823 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: teenagers who are there on their own. The cleaning is 824 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: a different matter because many people are like, well, I 825 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: just don't want to devote the time to it if 826 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 1: there's somebody who's willing to do it for a reasonable price, 827 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: And there are other things I'd like to do, like 828 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: hobbies that maybe those got short shrift while I was 829 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: spending so much time with young children. I would rather 830 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: take that time that is now available because the kids 831 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: don't need as much intensive care, and do my hobbies 832 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: with it as opposed to putting it into I don't 833 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 1: know whatever sort of household chores and errands were outsourced originally. 834 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 2: You just keep doing that forever. 835 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: But obviously even you know, saving money on full time childcare. Eventually, 836 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: we always are counseling people don't get rid of it 837 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: too early. But eventually there will be the time when 838 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 1: you don't need it full time, and so that will 839 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: be at least an off ramp for that. 840 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 2: Such an interesting question. 841 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess this has kind of all been 842 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: a love of the Week episode, right, and we don't 843 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: have a. 844 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,760 Speaker 2: I don't think we have an additional additional one. Hopefully 845 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 2: you found something in here useful, from beverages to try 846 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 2: to the scanning app to a really basic fanny pack. 847 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, fanny pack, yes exactly, or that you should take 848 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: a trip that if you're going to take a big 849 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: time train time change trip, you want to come fly 850 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: west right before school starts. But using that last week 851 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: before school is a great thing too. All right, well, 852 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 1: this has been best of both worlds. We've been talking 853 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: about our fall favorite Things. We will be back next 854 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: week with more on making work and life fit together. 855 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 856 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 2: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 857 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 2: and you. 858 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 859 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 860 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: us next time for more on making work and life 861 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: work together.